[00:06] <ScottK> Anyone else try to tether to a mobile in 13.10? Worked great in previous releases.   Completely borked for me now.
[07:45] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:18] <benvantende> good morning
[09:00] <lordievader> Hey benvantende, how are you?
[09:01] <benvantende> heyla lordievader all fine. will be a weekend of work, preparing presentations for the TYPO3 conference
[09:01] <lordievader> TYPO3 what is that?
[09:02] <benvantende> typo3.org
[09:02] <benvantende> CMS
[09:04] <lordievader> Ah okay, have fun ;)
[10:23] <tester56> hi, is there already an ppa with kde 4.12 builds?
[10:27] <tsimpson> tester56: 4.11.2 is the latest release
[10:46] <tester56> tsimpson, yeah i know ... just wanted to see what the next cycle brings
[11:53] <shadeslayer> valorie: Quintasan yofel sorry about last night, I left the office for a early dinner and then ... things went as they usually do on a friday
[11:56] <soee> good morning
[11:57] <shadeslayer> afternoon soee
[11:58] <shadeslayer> ScottK has my new number, but seeing how he's away this weekend :P
[12:30] <apachelogger> Quintasan: didn't you say you'd fix the marble-qt bug? :P
[12:53] <apachelogger> Quintasan: actually that appears to be an upstream issue
[12:54] <apachelogger> there is only one desktop file and it got Exec=marble %F so that would not workanyway
[12:54] <apachelogger>     install (TARGETS marble-qt RUNTIME DESTINATION bin )
[12:54] <apachelogger>     install( FILES marble.desktop DESTINATION ${APPS_INSTALL_DIR})
[13:00]  * apachelogger attempts uefi install with proposed auto-upgrade
[13:09] <yofel> shadeslayer: I assumed as much ;P
[13:19] <apachelogger> ScottK, shadeslayer: enabling updates in ubiquity will lead to fixed grub on UEFI \o/
[13:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: awesome :D
[14:22] <yossarianuk> apachelogger: is that the case now?
[14:22] <yossarianuk> i.e I can just do a normal install wuth updates and it should all be fine and dandy.
[14:39] <yossarianuk> shadeslayer: sorry - have the grub updates been put in normal updates now :?
[14:40] <shadeslayer> doesn't look like it
[14:41] <shadeslayer> yossarianuk: I suppose apachelogger modified ubiquity or sth
[14:41] <yossarianuk> ah ok - thanks
[15:07] <apachelogger> reading helps a lot
[15:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ubiquity has a 'upgrade from -proposed' option?
[15:15] <apachelogger> no, I described one though
[15:15] <apachelogger> that being said... debian-intaller has one, so you could technically set it on the d-i database
[15:15] <apachelogger> alas, I have no clue how to do that :P
[15:16] <shadeslayer> right
[15:45] <akoma1s> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/1243399
[15:46] <akoma1s> Hi all, I have attached a patch that fixes the above bug (new in 13.10), could someone review it please?
[15:55] <ahoneybun> hey littlegirl 
[15:56] <littlegirl> Hey there, ahoneybun. I'm sorry about how it went yesterday. I hope that us joking around a bit lightened it a bit for you.
[15:56] <littlegirl> Also, I would *not* have wanted to answer some of those questions, and I can already tell you that I will never voluntarily put myself through that. I'll just remain a drive-by contributor. (:
[15:57] <ahoneybun> littlegirl, its fine 
[15:57] <ahoneybun> lol
[15:57] <littlegirl> Are you gonna try it again some time?
[15:57] <ahoneybun> littlegirl, depends how the list goes
[15:58] <ahoneybun> I still don't know if I am a member yet
[15:58] <ahoneybun> need 2 more votes out of the other 4 members
[15:58] <littlegirl> Well, you're definitely enthusiastic. (:
[15:58] <ahoneybun> KC
[15:58] <littlegirl> Oh! You mean it could still go your way?
[15:58] <ahoneybun> yep :) 
[15:58] <ahoneybun> only  2 of the 6 were here
[15:58] <littlegirl> Ah, well, then I'll cross my fingers for you that it worked. (:
[15:59] <ahoneybun> the other 4 need to vote
[15:59] <littlegirl> Are the other four gonna read through the logs and decide later?
[15:59] <ahoneybun> Mailing List and that
[15:59]  * littlegirl is starting to think the charcoal stuff might not have been such a good idea after all if they're gonna wade through it. (:
[15:59]  * apachelogger would like to reassure littlegirl that those were nice questions :P
[15:59] <ahoneybun> btw nice work akoma1s I don't know how to review that but still liek the work
[16:00] <ahoneybun> *like
[16:00] <littlegirl> apachelogger: LOL, I about fell off my chair when they asked ahoneybun what's different about Kubuntu from other operating systems that offer KDE. My answer would have been, "Uh... uhhhhmmmmm....." (:
[16:00] <akoma1s> thanks :)
[16:00] <ahoneybun> just wondering what would you have voted  apachelogger 
[16:00]  * littlegirl doesn't check out the competition
[16:00] <akoma1s> I'd be glad if someone pulled the right strings if it's an acceptable solution, as acpi-support seems unmaintained to me.
[16:01] <ahoneybun> littlegirl, I hoped around a lot
[16:01] <yossarianuk> most others don;t have an ubuntu base.....
[16:01] <apachelogger> ahoneybun: I am not on the council anymore, I don't have opinions :P
[16:01]  * littlegirl nods at ahoneybun
[16:01] <ahoneybun> apachelogger, your still a person lol
[16:01] <yossarianuk> Ubuntu have a good base - shame about its default (spam) desktop
[16:02] <ahoneybun> littlegirl, I did like Arch but a bit unstable with the updates
[16:02] <ahoneybun> I broke my system once or twice
[16:02] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: I tried Debian at one point, but it doesn't hold your hand the way Kubuntu does, and it leaves you to figure a lot of stuff out. The only other thing I've ever compared Kubuntu with was my son's copy of Ubuntu, which didn't look like anything I'd want to use. After that I just stuck with Kubuntu. (:
[16:03] <apachelogger> ahoneybun: I agree with what valorie said though .... most members only applied after a year or so ... so becoming member is a motivational factor for a year and then it becomes a reward for a year of steady contribution
[16:03] <littlegirl> Only eight months to go, ahoneybun. (:
[16:03] <ahoneybun> apachelogger, I do think I can contribute  more
[16:04] <ahoneybun> littlegirl, I think I have been working for about 4-5 months
[16:04] <yossarianuk> littlegirl: debian's kde version is very behind the present stable - its like running kde from 2 years ago...
[16:04] <ahoneybun> I think a little after 13.04 came out
[16:04] <littlegirl> yossarianuk: I loved KDE3. I wish they were still using it. (:
[16:05] <yossarianuk> I meant like KDE4 was 2 years ago....
[16:05] <yossarianuk> i.e missing out on quite a lot . 
[16:05] <yossarianuk> (maybe its more 1 year ago...)
[16:05] <littlegirl> Oh, okay, then that's awful. KDE4 still has some kinks to iron out. (:
[16:05] <apachelogger> ahoneybun: amount of contribution doesn't really matter, also docs alone is a very sizable contribution already
[16:05] <ahoneybun> apachelogger, not that amount matter but I could do more just to do more :)
[16:06] <littlegirl> yossarianuk: Apparently someone took KDE3 and is continuing to work on it under a new name. I will keep my eye out for it and if it becomes mature, I'll probably use it. (:
[16:06] <apachelogger> more is always nice ;)
[16:06] <apachelogger> it was mature 4 years ago
[16:06] <apachelogger> now it is just broken
[16:07] <littlegirl> apachelogger: I mean the new one. It's called Trinity or something like that, and at this point it's probably still considered a start-up compared with other desktops. (:
[16:07] <apachelogger> it's not new
[16:07] <apachelogger> it started right after KDE 4.1 originally as a continuation of Kubuntu KDE 3 packages
[16:08] <ahoneybun> littlegirl, btw I'm on Ubuntu right now not Kubuntu 
[16:08] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: Really? How come? That's actually kind of funny. I use Kubuntu and was doing a lot of Kubuntu documentation work and now I do a lot of Ubuntu documentation work but I use Kubuntu. (:
[16:08] <apachelogger> the problem is KDE 3 was big and a rather sizable team maintained it, it is not something one guy could move forward in their spare time
[16:09] <littlegirl> apachelogger: Is there hope for the team that took it over?
[16:09] <apachelogger> so what you get by now is a desktop that will either have partially broken features or features that are simply no longer available
[16:09] <ahoneybun> littlegirl, just wanted to see Unity in 13.10, very smooth tbh
[16:09] <apachelogger> half the middleware that builds a system right now did not exist back then and hence there is no support for it
[16:10] <apachelogger> littlegirl: very unlikely
[16:10] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: I tried it in a VM and it's not for me. If it had a normal menu I'd give it more than a quick glance, but that strip of icons down the side is a deal breaker for me. (:
[16:10] <apachelogger> you basically have to write a whole bunch of stuff from scratch
[16:10] <ahoneybun> littlegirl, I like it 
[16:10] <apachelogger> like HAL which was used for hardware stuff... doesn't even exist anymore
[16:10] <apachelogger> systemd/logind/upstart did not exist
[16:10] <littlegirl> apachelogger: That's a shame. I'd love to see Kubuntu return to it. I loved it, and found its way of being controlled (like how it behaves or looks) to be easier to manage than KDE4. KDE4 is also *way* more resource intensive.
[16:10] <apachelogger> pulseaudio did not exist
[16:11] <apachelogger> littlegirl: that's actually not true ... by default it is more resource intensive because it has all the goodyness
[16:11] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: I can see where it would be nice on a tablet, though. (:
[16:12] <apachelogger> however if you take away the goodyness it is about the same as KDE3
[16:12] <littlegirl> apachelogger: Yeah, and I'm a simple kind of girl. I don't use all the goodyness. Just the basics. (:
[16:12] <ahoneybun> littlegirl, I like KDE Active then that
[16:13] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: Yep, I'm waiting for them to get done testing it on my tablet and then I'll install it. I'm all kinds of excited about it, because the Android interface is terrible, and I've been a Kubuntu user for years, so it would be nice to have Kubuntu on the tablet as well. (:L
[16:13] <ahoneybun> littlegirl, the one based on SUSE is nice on the Nexus 7 just needed more testing
[16:13] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: I'll wait for Kubuntu Active, because from what I saw it looks really nice. (:
[16:14] <ahoneybun> littlegirl, I just like deb more then rpm and know it better
[16:14] <littlegirl> Kubuntu trumps Ubuntu by having Kubuntu Active as a separate thing from Kubuntu. Ubuntu seems to be doing its tablet interface in the main OS. Kubuntu wins. (:
[16:15] <littlegirl> Same here, ahoneybun. I have no working knowledge of rpm. (:
[16:15] <apachelogger> (Kubuntu Active will not get hardware support unless someone works on it)
[16:15] <ahoneybun> littlegirl, I have messed with Fedora, OpenSUSE, Arch, Debian, Kubuntu, Ubuntu,
[16:16] <littlegirl> apachelogger: Luckily one of the test tablets is the same tablet I have. (:
[16:16] <apachelogger> i.e. to get stuff working sensible on device X one needs to do all sorts of tweaking and kernel building and stuff, and all that work does not mean it will work on device Y
[16:16] <apachelogger> terribly impractical
[16:16] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: You've messed with more systems than I have!
[16:16] <apachelogger> littlegirl: goody
[16:16] <Quintasan> hell
[16:16] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I just arrived at the same conclusion
[16:17] <Quintasan> I should have bothered to check IRC before doing anything
[16:17] <apachelogger> conclusion: when apachelogger highlights you, read what apachelogger wrote.
[16:17] <littlegirl> apachelogger: Yeah, I was very excited to find that out. It means I'll be able to Just Use It when the time comes rather than having to do any tweaks or work-arounds, because they'll have tested the heck out of it on my device. (:
[16:17] <Quintasan> apachelogger: The worst thing is that you usually hurl garbage at me when you ping me
[16:17] <Quintasan> :P
[16:18] <apachelogger> excuse me?
[16:18] <Quintasan> >Army of Mushrooms
[16:18] <Quintasan> >Infected Mushrooms
[16:18] <apachelogger> GARBAGE
[16:18] <apachelogger> DUDE
[16:18] <Quintasan> I SAY
[16:19] <apachelogger> https://soundcloud.com/uncle-ooh/nine-inc-inch-nails-god-given
[16:19] <ahoneybun> littlegirl, I think I should check out the image for active now
[16:19] <Quintasan> Diverting apachelogger's rage towards shadeslayer...Done.
[16:19] <yossarianuk> It is mushroom reason here......
[16:19] <yossarianuk> *season*
[16:19] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: I haven't checked lately. Let me know if they've got it running well on the Nexus. (:
[16:20] <ahoneybun> littlegirl, nexus 7?
[16:20] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: Yep!
[16:20] <ahoneybun> I have that as well
[16:21] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: They're testing on it, which means when they get it working, it will work for us. (:
[16:21] <ahoneybun> yep
[16:22] <ahoneybun> latest is 13.04
[16:22] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: I can't wait. It will be so nice to properly be able to transfer data between my computer and the tablet. Right now I can do it, but I'm always converting stuff, because they don't both run the same software. (:
[16:26] <ahoneybun> littlegirl, I think I will test Ubuntu touch first
[17:08] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: Sorry, had to go for a bit. Let me know how that goes with Ubuntu touch. (:
[17:30] <ahoneybun> littlegirl, glitchly
[17:32] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: I'll wait until Kubuntu Active is rock solid and then grab it. (:
[17:33] <Quintasan> littlegirl: That's going to take a lot of time
[17:33] <Quintasan> I've been running Plasma Active on Archos Gen9 and it's a long way from what I could call "smooth" or "rock solid"
[17:34] <Quintasan> the worst thing is that we don't have a Nexus-class device where we could actually see how it works when optimized.
[17:34] <Quintasan> Since graphics drivers are mostly binary blobs
[17:34] <Quintasan> at least on ARM-based devices
[17:35] <Quintasan> There's been the Vivaldi project but I have absolutely no idea at what stage is it.
[17:35] <Quintasan> Or if it's even still alive for that matter.
[17:37] <littlegirl> Quintasan: I'm patient. (:
[17:37] <Quintasan> I believe it's a matter of how long the market is willing to wait
[17:37] <littlegirl> Quintasan: Right now my tablet is an overgrown toy that I use for purely entertainment purposes. If it could run Kubuntu, however, it would suddenly become another environment capable of handling the documents I work on on my computer.
[17:38] <littlegirl> Quintasan: Sadly, there is yet to be a personal wiki or tree-style information manager that works on both Android and Kubuntu and can interchange information, so currently I do converstions and have to make changes at either end when transferring stuff, so I don't do anything big on the tablet.
[18:06] <ahoneybun> littlegirl, Kubuntu would be nice
[18:06] <ahoneybun> is nice on the Nexus 7
[18:09] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: I'll bet. (:
[20:44] <soee> there is strange issue/glitch when loading aamrok
[22:40] <soee> someone online ?
[22:43] <valorie> afaik Vivaldi effort continues
[22:44] <valorie> but if even Canonical can't get a big lump of money to make it's Edge phone
[22:44] <valorie> it's a lot harder to get guaranteed Free hardware in small lots
[22:48] <soee> someone using telepathy ?
[22:49] <valorie> are you testing it, soee?
[22:49]  * valorie has never set it up, as I sort of hate IMing
[22:50] <soee> valorie, im using it, but i cant make contact list plasmoid to wortk
[22:50] <valorie> boo
[22:50] <valorie> any bugs reported for that?
[22:51] <soee> havent check yet
[23:42] <jalcine> the closest for Android to KDE syncing now is the KDE Connect project
[23:42] <jalcine> which, imho, is pure brilliance :)
[23:43] <valorie> working well for you, jalcine?
[23:44] <jalcine> yup; texting, calling and notifications quite well
[23:44] <valorie> and if yes, did you build it from source?
[23:44] <jalcine> I did build from source only notifications was working; but the saucy release worked better for me 
[23:45] <valorie> that's great to hear; I understood there were problems with the package
[23:45] <valorie> glad to hear it is working for you
[23:45] <jalcine> ;)
[23:46] <valorie> ok, I need to go prepare for dinner
[23:48] <jalcine> o/ hope it's great!
[23:51] <ahoneybun> hey valorie 
[23:51] <ahoneybun> damn