[02:07] <mnub> hi
[02:07] <mnub> is it ok to set swap partition to twice my ram
[02:19] <holstein> mnub: sure
[02:19] <mnub> file system type as ext 4
[02:20] <mnub> ?
[02:20] <holstein> doesnt matter.. just make a swap partition in addition to your other ones
[02:20] <mnub> there  are no swaps
[02:21] <holstein> mnub: thats why you are wanting to manually create one, correct?
[02:22] <holstein> mnub: it's still a lot like this http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2011/05/04/manual-disk-partitioning-guide-for-ubuntu-11-04/
[08:47] <skippythekangoo> morning...
[08:48] <skippythekangoo> puis avoir une invitation pour #lubuntu-fr, svp ?
[11:51] <leszek> hi
[11:52] <Unit193> Howdy.
[20:16] <melodie> hi, does someone know how programs are displayd in the Menu System rather than in Preferences?
[20:24] <ianorlin> .desktop are what I think makes them work
[21:30] <melodie> I ask again,  does someone know how programs are displayd in the Menu System rather than in Preferences?
[21:32] <melodie> no one ? :)
[21:33] <brainwash> melodie: the Categories= parameter specified in the .desktop app launcher file
[21:33] <melodie> hi brainwash
[21:33] <melodie> so why does it show in Lubuntu and not in Openbox with Lxpanel + lxmenu-data installed, but it shows in Preferences? This is really my question
[21:33] <brainwash> take a look at he .desktop files located in /usr/share/applications/
[21:33] <melodie> already done
[21:34] <melodie> of course they are the same desktop files: ie synaptic.desktop, gparted.destkop...
[21:34] <melodie> but don't fall into the same category menu and I can't seem to find why
[21:34] <brainwash> different menu files?
[21:35] <melodie> no of course, they come from the same packages/same repos
[21:35] <brainwash> no clue then
[21:36] <melodie> too bad :-(
[21:37] <melodie> another examples are "users and groups", grub customizer, usb creator-gtk : all should be in System, as in Lubuntu, but they all fall into Preferences
[21:37] <brainwash> lubuntu ships a custom lxde-applications.menu
[21:38] <melodie> oh ho !
[21:38] <melodie> that's interesting
[21:38] <brainwash> see /etc/xdg/lubuntu/menus/
[21:38] <melodie> then I will give it a try
[21:38] <melodie> yes ok !
[21:38] <brainwash> it's provided by the package lubuntu-default-settings
[21:38] <melodie> thanks for the tip
[21:38] <brainwash> :)
[21:38] <melodie> great!
[21:39] <melodie> I'll try it immediatly
[21:44] <melodie> I'm downloading from Synaptic now, with the no-install option
[21:53] <ianorlin> ah that is also where the lxgames menu is kept
[23:05] <impossible> im trying to add a ppa
[23:05] <impossible> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/mumble/release/ubuntu/dists/saucy/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found
[23:05] <impossible> why no mumble :(
[23:07] <brainwash> impossible: well, contact the PPA maintainer
[23:07] <impossible> okay!
[23:19] <melodie> brainwash : your help has solved my menus!
[23:19] <brainwash> melodie: great :)
[23:19] <melodie> I can use it to solve the menus mess in the next remix with openbox I will do that's so great*
[23:19] <melodie> !
[23:20] <melodie> and Lubuntu starts to be very fast and has lots of possibilities
[23:21] <melodie> I was diving into the /etc/xdg/lubuntu directory, there is an incredible work there in the xml files! really amazing
[23:25] <Meris> How can I connect to a X-Radius :: WPA2 network requiring a certificate keypair? The eduroam network at my university requires this and I can't find any correct setting to connect to that network
[23:26] <Meris> On MacOSX I can define a new network connection and things go easy from there. This network connection dialogue seems to lack the required options.
[23:27] <Meris> In fact it's a PEAP network. Would the LEAP network type be a useful entry here?
[23:29] <melodie> Meris is it in gnome network manager that you are looking?
[23:30] <melodie> and did you also happen to ask at the #ubuntu chan?
[23:31] <impossible> do you all use pidgin for IRC
[23:31] <impossible> wondering
[23:31] <brainwash> impossible: why do you assume this?
[23:32] <brainwash> pidgin is only one of many irc clients
[23:32] <impossible> i know, im not assuming. im just asking what people use
[23:33] <impossible> i meant to ask as a question to see what others use.
[23:33] <Meris> emelodie, not that I'm aware of, I use OpenBox with LXDE
[23:33] <Meris> impossible, I use X-Chat
[23:34] <melodie> I also use Xchat
[23:34] <brainwash> I guess #lubuntu-offtopic would be the right place for your question
[23:34] <Meris> brainwash, please address someone in your answer so it's clear who you are addressing with your answer.
[23:35] <melodie> Meris it's probably not for you, you are asking a tech question
[23:35] <brainwash> yeah, whatever
[23:36] <melodie> Meris I would suppose right now you are using an Ethernet connection? Or a connection from elsewhere?
[23:36] <melodie> you might want to check if the gui configuration tool is network-manager
[23:37] <impossible> sound is not playing from my audio jack but rather television. how do i change audio output
[23:37] <melodie> I can't help more, I don't know about these network types of setups
[23:39] <Meris> melodie, I'm using an Etheternet connection indeed, through Wifi. And it appears I'm using nm-applet, which sounds like network manager. Yet on Ubuntu I do have the right options, not here on Lubuntu though...
[23:39] <melodie> with the same nm-applet?
[23:39] <melodie> and the same version of Ubuntu vs Lubuntu?
[23:40] <ianorlin> I thought it was the same
[23:41] <Meris> melodie, no the version of Ubuntu I use on my Desktop is 12.04, my Lubuntu version I'm using to connect is 13.10. Normally later versions will be more advanced, not the other way around...
[23:41] <melodie> what is your wifi card, have you checked about the driver, if it is in the distro, if is loaded?
[23:41] <Meris> melodie, it *is* loaded, I can connect to my own LAN just fine. My Wifi card is an Airport, I'll look up the details...
[23:41] <melodie> " Normally later versions will be more advanced, not the other way around..." // I would not bet, particularly as Ubuntu 12.04 is now 12.04.3 and is a LTS
[23:42] <Meris> melodie, my Network card is recognized as an Atheros AR5418 (AR5008E rev. 01)
[23:42] <melodie> Meris is no one can help you directly, you might have more luck "playing seven errors game" with the configuration files
[23:42]  * ianorlin tihnks he had this problem when he went to ucla
[23:43] <Meris> ianorlin, and...did you solve it?
[23:43] <melodie> you might want to look in the files in the directory /etc/network
[23:43] <ianorlin> no I graduated
[23:43] <ianorlin> I connected to a different network
[23:43] <Meris> ianorlin, that's always the best solution, but I'm not there yet...:-)
[23:43] <melodie> Meris I would even try the stupid way:
[23:44] <ianorlin> ah
[23:44] <melodie> as root "cp -R /etc/network /etc/network-BACKUP"
[23:44] <melodie> or mv
[23:44] <melodie> better mv
[23:44] <melodie> and from the other distro copy the whole /etc/network to the Lubuntu distro, and look what it does?
[23:45] <melodie> it would just need a reboot
[23:45] <Meris> melodie, worth a try I guess. I'll fire up a LiveCD Ubuntu 12.04 and save the file from there.
[23:45] <melodie> if you try that make sure you have the right ownership and permissions on the directory copied : don't copy them to a fat32 usb stick for instance
[23:46] <Meris> melodie, I can always fix that using a chown, no?
[23:46] <melodie> yes, but it's not necessary if you just make a tarball as root
[23:46] <melodie> the content will keep the ownership and permissions
[23:46] <melodie> such as:
[23:47] <ianorlin> chowning stuff can break stuff if yuo are not careful
[23:47] <Meris> melodie, that's true...
[23:47] <melodie> sudo tar cfvj network.tar.bz2 network
[23:47] <melodie> from within the /etc directory
[23:48] <melodie> and to untar, do it once you have backuped the /etc/network of lubuntu or it will destroy the content
[23:48] <melodie> then you can put the tarball to /etc in lubuntu and do :
[23:48] <Meris> ianorlin, I'm aware of that, but if there is only one file involved and if I check the rights of the config. file on my present Lubuntu installation, I can use those exact same rights and UID/ GID's
[23:48] <melodie> sudo xvfj network.tar.bz2
[23:49] <melodie> there is not only one file involved, do a "ls -lR" on /etc/network ?
[23:49] <Meris> melodie, thanks, I know how to roll my own tarball, I've done it since 1997 ;-)
[23:49] <melodie> ok, fine :)
[23:49] <melodie> you started before me /o\ ;-)
[23:49] <ianorlin> and me
[23:50] <melodie> how old were you then?
[23:50] <Meris> melodie, true... I am not calling you names, I'm thank you! I'm 38 years old/ young.
[23:50] <melodie> :D
[23:51] <Meris> I'm thank you! => I'm thank>ing< you! <= silly omissions during IRC typing...
[23:51] <melodie> np
[23:53] <melodie> Meris would you join #lubuntu-offtopic ?
[23:53] <Meris> melodie, if everything else fails, I'll just rip out network manager altogether and make my own entries.
[23:53] <melodie> a bug report could be nice...
[23:57] <PatrickDickey> Hi everyone. Is there an app specific to lubuntu that will allow me to test and read the SMART data on a hard drive?
[23:59] <brainwash> PatrickDickey: smartctl, a command-line tool (package smartmontools)
[23:59] <ianorlin> not installed by defualt I don't think searching I found https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Smartmontools