[00:00] <Pyro_Killer> wilee-nilee: i think that is the way it should be, it's how debian does it
[00:00] <churchill2> Dr_Willis, i'm looking for a search engine for files
[00:00] <Dr_Willis> the dash search thing is supposed to become the 'mother of all search tools' :)
[00:00] <churchill2> no need for browser or any fancy shit
[00:00] <Dr_Willis> it has file search featues
[00:00] <wilee-nilee> Pyro_Killer, That makes no sense but thanks. ;)
[00:00] <churchill2> i'm not using unity
[00:00] <Dr_Willis> then theres tools like catfish, and some others ive seen in the repos
[00:00] <Pyro_Killer> Sander^Lab: have you installed drivers for the video card?
[00:00] <Dr_Willis> !info catfish
[00:01] <Dr_Willis> catfish is a frontend to find and locate i belive
[00:01] <churchill2> Dr_Willis, so it's just like a find command?
[00:01] <wilee-nilee> churchill2, The channel ask you not to swear here.
[00:01] <Dr_Willis> and catfish has a gui.
[00:02] <Dr_Willis> it USES the find and locate commands
[00:02] <churchill2> a search tool should have a ranking system etx.
[00:02] <Dr_Willis> from what i recall from reading its docs/homepage
[00:02] <Dr_Willis> ranking?
[00:02] <sealbhach> Synapse and Recoll are both great search tools
[00:02]  * Dr_Willis gives  rc.local a 5 star review
[00:03] <churchill2> ranking... two search terms in closer proximity give higher ranking in the result etc.
[00:03] <Dr_Willis> closer to the filename you typed in to search for?
[00:03] <Sander^Lap> Will update-grub work when I run it from an usb stick?
[00:03] <Pyro_Killer> use chroot
[00:04] <wilee-nilee> Sander^Lap, only if chrooted
[00:04] <Ari-Yang> !chroot
[00:04] <Sander^Lap> wilee-nilee, Well. I booted from the stick.
[00:04] <Dr_Willis> http://lifehacker.com/5275697/catfish-searches-your-linux-desktop
[00:04] <wilee-nilee> Sander^Lap, Can you boot to a tty?
[00:05] <Sander^Lap> wilee-nilee, I can choose a tty, yes. with f1 eg.
[00:05] <wilee-nilee> Sander^Lap, You are trying to update the grub on the HD right?
[00:06] <Sander^Lap> wilee-nilee, no. im trying to enable radeon sound in grub so I can test hdmi sound
[00:06] <wylde> churchill2, http://askubuntu.com/questions/4498/what-is-the-best-desktop-search-tool
[00:06] <Sander^Lap> wilee-nilee, I dont have anything installed on the hd yet.
[00:07] <churchill2> wylde, which do you recommend?
[00:07] <wilee-nilee> Sander^Lap, so edit the usb, ISO?
[00:07] <wilee-nilee> Sander^Lap, I don;t know your context here, is it in the channel?
[00:08] <wylde> churchill2, I have no real recommendation for you. Have to test a few out I suppose.
[00:08] <CIDR> l33
[00:08] <Lyut> FInally got it working ^^
[00:08] <Ari-Yang> wilee-nilee: I think Sander^Lap just wants to test out ubuntu 13.10 hdmi audio with the bootable usb is all
[00:09] <wilee-nilee> Sander^Lap, With a quick look since I came on you do not really outline the context you are in.
[00:09] <Sander^Lap> wilee-nilee, Ive added this: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash radeon.audio=1 " into /etc/default/grub
[00:09] <Ari-Yang> I told Sander^Lap that he might need to edit GRUB to enable hdmi audio cuz he has a radeon
[00:09] <Ari-Yang> Sander^Lap: you run sudo update-grub after that?
[00:09] <wilee-nilee> Sander^Lap, On a install where, and what type of install?
[00:10] <Sander^Lap> wilee-nilee, all done after booted from an usb stick with ubuntu 13.10
[00:10] <jasmin123> hi @ all
[00:10] <jasmin123> i try to partition a disk with gparted
[00:10] <wilee-nilee> Sander^Lap, This a full install on a usb, you claim the HD is not it?
[00:11] <jasmin123> the disk has 3TB and now i get the error that a MSDOS partition table is to small
[00:11] <Pyro_Killer> jasmin123: sounds like fun, what are you tryuing to do ?
[00:11] <jasmin123> what should i use instad?
[00:11] <wilee-nilee> jasmin123, gpt
[00:11] <jasmin123> create one 3TB partition
[00:11] <Pyro_Killer> jasmin123: gparted is awesome
[00:12] <Sander^Lap> wilee-nilee, I have not yet installed ubuntu to the hd.
[00:12] <wilee-nilee> I would not myself but msdos is limited to 2 tb jasmin123
[00:12] <hitsujiTMO> jasmin123: 2gb is the cap for msdos partition
[00:12] <jasmin123> no wich partition table?
[00:12] <jasmin123> aix?
[00:12] <hitsujiTMO> 2tb even
[00:12] <jasmin123> bsd?
[00:12] <jasmin123> just tell me what allow a 3TB partition
[00:13] <Rogue-3> jasmin123: you can use whatever filesystems you want, but your partition layout has to be gpt rather than msdos
[00:13] <Pyro_Killer> gpt
[00:13] <hitsujiTMO> you'll need to change the partition table to gpt
[00:13] <Lyut> Succesfully Dual booted Windows from Ubuntu on UEFI ^^
[00:13] <Sander^Lap> wilee-nilee, Im just wondring if update-grub does anything with the usb stick, or the actual internal hd drive?
[00:13] <fishscene> Lyut: Congratulations!
[00:13] <Pyro_Killer> Lyut: have a cookie
[00:14] <wilee-nilee> Sander^Lap, So far at least to me you are making no sense, grub is part of a full install to begin with, unless you have made a grub boot on the usb. A full exact description of all the context would help, in other word what is where and what type of install.
[00:14] <Lyut> Thanks haha
[00:14] <smjd> https://mediacru.sh/hpmgmbcfx3nz.png I have ibus-anthy and ibus-mozc installed, shouldn't they show up in this menu?
[00:14] <Sander^Lap> wilee-nilee, Ari-Yang Pyro_Killer: I dont want to overwrite the hd in any way yet.
[00:15] <Sander^Lap> wilee-nilee, yeah. Ive booted with grub from the usb.
[00:15] <wilee-nilee> Sander^Lap, using a iso right?
[00:15] <Rogue-3> Sander^Lap: just make sure the hard drive is not listed in /boot/grub/device.map and you should be fine
[00:15] <jasmin123> ok, thanks that looks like it's working...
[00:15] <Pyro_Killer> Then you chroot the system on the hardrive and update grub
[00:15] <wilee-nilee> Sander^Lap, booting a iso with grub right?
[00:15] <jasmin123> by the way - what is the limit for gpt?
[00:15] <Sander^Lap> wilee-nilee, yep.
[00:16] <Noskcaj10> Is there a way to donate hardware to ubuntu? I've got a number of spare parts
[00:16] <wilee-nilee> Sander^Lap, Is there a persistent setup?
[00:16] <hitsujiTMO> gpt limit is in the petabytes i do believe
[00:17] <Jordan_U> Sander^Lap: Rogue-3: The contents of /boot/grub/device.map are almost irrelevant, and "update-grub" does not install grub, it just re-writes /boot/grub/grub.cfg. What is your end goal?
[00:17] <Sander^Lap> Rogue-3, wilee-nilee Jordan_U  /boot/grub/device.map dosnt exist in this usb booted iso disk.
[00:17] <smjd> Noskcaj10: what kind of parts?
[00:18] <Rogue-3> Jordan_U: I'm fairly certain update-grub (which is a wrapper for grub-mkconfig) does modify the actual boot sectors as well
[00:18] <wilee-nilee> Sander^Lap, follow Jordan_U is my advice.
[00:18] <Jordan_U> Rogue-3: No, it does not.
[00:18] <smjd> Linux driver developers could use some hardware donations
[00:19] <Sander^Lap> wilee-nilee, Jordan_U.. if Rogue-3 is right.. Then I'll void the warranty.
[00:20] <Noskcaj10> smjd, A place i volunteer at has 100s of old PCs, gives the for free to projects like ubuntu. Plus i've got a ARM based USB pc
[00:21] <hitsujiTMO> update-grub does not update the boot sectors, grub-install does that
[00:21] <Sander^Lap> wasnt it back in the lilo days that that it wrote to the bootsector every time?
[00:22] <Sander^Lap> hitsujiTMO, ok, thanks for confirming it :-)
[00:22] <Sander^Lap> oh well.. I got the message: grub-probe: error: failed to get canonical path of /cow
[00:22] <Pyro_Killer> AHAHAHA
[00:23] <Jordan_U> Sander^Lap: What is your end goal?
[00:23] <Sander^Lap> Jordan_U, to modify the grub cmdline to radeon.audio=1
[00:23] <trism> smjd: if this is 13.10 you need to add Japanese (mozc) or Japanese (anthy) in System Settings/Text Entry, then you can using indicator-keyboard to switch input methods
[00:24] <Sander^Lap> Jordan_U, Maybe I can just do it temporary when I boot it :-)
[00:24] <ubnoobtu> This is the sitrep. I've gotten a thrist store computer, running again. The parts are, 2.9 Gib, two 351.1GB hard drives and a amd phenom 9500 Quad-core processor x 4. OTher than repairing a few computers in a very minor way, I have no prior experience, esp with any linux, unix, or whatever. only wiindows. I want to get it running properly and working . I'm got a few issues so far.
[00:24] <Sander^Lap> with the "e" button.
[00:25] <smjd> trism: how about in 13.04?
[00:26] <ahow628> Anyone know why stuff works perfectly in LiveCD and then breaks on install? Example: wireless-n works fine Live, but I have to disable n (and have only g) after install as it breaks with n enabled.
[00:26] <Jordan_U> Sander^Lap: To run update-grub/grub-mkconfig from a LiveCD/USB you have to chroot into the installed system first. Editing the linux cmdline at boot isn't very hard though, so chrooting and just editing at the boot menu are both valid options.
[00:26] <Pyro_Killer> ubnoobtu: download ubuntu 12.04, install it on a USB stick with LiLi, boot up and see where you get
[00:26] <trism> smjd: oh in 13.04, if you just installed those, and that was the ibus setup window, you need to restart the ibus-daemon before they show up
[00:27] <smjd> I've tried that several times
[00:27] <hitsujiTMO> ahow628: other modules might be installed which are causing conflicts
[00:27] <Dr_Willis> ubnoobtu:  newer ubuntu releases will want pae enabled kernels. Lubuntu would be the lightest ubuntu variant to put on low end machines. and its very close in look/feel to the  windows95 days
[00:27] <Dr_Willis> ubnoobtu:  oope. I mean the newer ubuntu kernels want pae enabled cpus ;)
[00:27] <Pyro_Killer> or Xubuntu, xubuntu has come a loing way
[00:28] <ahow628> hitsujiTMO: How would I disable the offending modules? Or diagnose which are problems?
[00:28] <wilee-nilee> ahow628, Can you identify the wifi card, that is really the important point.
[00:28] <hitsujiTMO> ahow628: ensure your using the same kernel module on both live and on the installed system ... (have a look with: lspci -k        or: lsusb -t    for a usb device
[00:28] <ahow628> wilee-nilee: intel centrino wireless-n 2230. the computer is a Toshiba Portege z935
[00:29] <trism> smjd: don't know then, I'm not sure what window you are looking at in that screenshot
[00:29] <smjd> that's ibus-setup
[00:29] <wilee-nilee> ahow628, release?
[00:29] <rainabba> wilee-nilee: FYI, apparently  I just needed to try a FOURTH storage device and use the NetInstall option in uNetBootin (not sure which made the difference, but I suspect it was the distro). <-- Why I'll stick with Windows or OSX for my main OS and reserve Linux for a challenge or less-critical installs :)
[00:30] <ubnoobtu> The plot thickens, I've managed to put that on, get a WUSBG54v2(wireless adapter), A Nvidia GeForce 8500 GT updated with drivers, so I can configure it to run properly on my own monitor, a philips tv with no remote.
[00:30] <ahow628> wilee-nilee: 12.04.3
[00:30] <Pyro_Killer> ahow628: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2125952&highlight=11n_disable
[00:31] <wilee-nilee> ahow628, take a look through the threads. http://askubuntu.com/search?q=centrino+wireless-n+2230
[00:33] <intrader> Hello all, I plan to update my system to 13.10 as fresh install. I have a backup of /home. Is it possible to refresh the entire /home of the new system with that of the bckup?
[00:33] <ubnoobtu> dr_willis . so its a low end machine , how much would you value it for?
[00:34] <xangua> intrader: it would be easier if you had /home as a separate partotion
[00:34] <Pyro_Killer> intrader: /home contains a lot of config files fromt he old system
[00:34] <xangua> separate partition*
[00:34] <wilee-nilee> intrader, you can use most of home to some extent, however if on a separate partition you can include it in this install. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving
[00:35] <wilee-nilee> intrader, This has been shared with you earlier as well.
[00:35] <ahow628> Pyro_Killer: That is the thread that fixed the wireless for me. However, I'm trying to get more info on why N can be enabled on LiveCD, but must be disabled after install.
[00:35] <ubnoobtu> wilee-nilee, I've got a question, whats the process to install flash?
[00:35] <ahow628> Pyro_Killer: Currently I have poor wireless speeds since it is using G  instead of N.
[00:35] <wilee-nilee> ubnoobtu, I just install the ubuntu-restricted-extras, which has other codecs and ms fonts as well.
[00:35] <xangua> ubnoobtu: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[00:37] <ubnoobtu> hrm. is the command xangua posted the restricted extras?
[00:37] <iguano> http://www.theweeklypay.com/index.php?share=19844
[00:37] <wilee-nilee> ubnoobtu, no just the flash
[00:37] <Pyro_Killer> ahow628: try running this and see if the card still works: echo "options iwlwifi 11n_disable=0" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/iwlwifi.conf"
[00:37] <Pyro_Killer> wait that might not work
[00:37] <Pyro_Killer> sorry
[00:38] <ubnoobtu> which one is less error free and quicker
[00:38] <ubnoobtu> err
[00:38] <ubnoobtu> more error free?
[00:38] <rcmaehl> I got a lot of errors: could not something old packages: you've choosen to hold broken packages when updating to ubuntu 13.10
[00:38] <iguano> http://www.theweeklypay.com/index.php?share=19844/
[00:38] <Pyro_Killer> ubnoobtu: the easiest way is installing flash on chromium and use that instead
[00:38] <xangua> iguano: ¿¿
[00:39] <wilee-nilee> ubnoobtu, neither should error in general, are you having errors as of now on installa?
[00:39] <wilee-nilee> installs*
[00:39] <ubnoobtu> Yes, on firefox, it keeps asking me to install it repeatedly.
[00:39] <ahow628> Pyro_Killer: Yeah, I doubt that will work because it was broken and switching to =1 was what fixed it (with slow speeds).
[00:40] <Pyro_Killer> ahow628: sorry, this is at the nnd of my knowlegde
[00:40] <wilee-nilee> ubnoobtu, post the output of lsb_release -a run in the terminal.
[00:41] <ahow628> Pyro_Killer: no problem. I was just curious since it just seems weird that things would work on LiveCD and then break when installed. Frustrating.
[00:41] <hitsujiTMO> ahow628: can you post the output of lspci -k    ?
[00:41] <wilee-nilee> ahow628, When you iknstalled were you on the net and ticked install updates?
[00:41] <wilee-nilee> installed*
[00:42] <wilee-nilee> and 3rd party stuff
[00:42] <ahow628> hitsujiTMO: It is long, can I post it somewhere else or should I post it here?
[00:42] <Pyro_Killer> uboonbtu: usually i can't be hassled to install it on firefox and go straight for chromium and do this: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-enable-flash-support-for-google-chromium-browser.html
[00:42] <ubnoobtu> wilee-nilee, before hand, what does that do?
[00:42] <ahow628> wilee-nilee: You know, I don't remember.
[00:43] <wilee-nilee> ahow628, Sometimes that is a key to get the correct drivers and configs.
[00:43] <ubnoobtu> wilee-nilee, I'm just trying to understand each command; this is more of a learning experience for me.
[00:43] <wilee-nilee> ubnoobtu, It identifies the OS.
[00:43] <wilee-nilee> ubnoobtu, I want to know what the OS is if I'm to help you.
[00:44] <ubnoobtu> connell@connell-laptop:~$ lsb_release -a No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID:	Ubuntu Description:	Ubuntu 12.04.3 LTS Release:	12.04 Codename:	precise
[00:44] <hitsujiTMO> ahow628: use paste.ubuntu.com
[00:44] <ahow628> wilee-nilee: Interestingly enough, I had a CR-48 Chromebook and 12.04.2 would work perfectly from LiveCD, then break wireless, screen res, and trackpad on install. The fix was to install 12.04.0 and upgrade to 12.04.2 with update manager.
[00:44] <ubnoobtu> wait wait.
[00:45] <wilee-nilee> ubnoobtu, Cool, now run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade and pastebin all of the info.
[00:45] <ubnoobtu> wrong computer, I got screen dizzy
[00:45] <wilee-nilee> !pastebin | ubuntulog
[00:45] <ahow628> hitsujiTMO: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6303795/
[00:45] <fishscene> Has anyone ever tried to create a generic setup-script that pretty much sets up Ubuntu for almost any generic thing you can throw at it? Things like build-essentials, kernel headers, ntfs tools, etc..?
[00:46] <ubnoobtu> okay wilee-nilee
[00:46] <Rogue-3> fishscene: I think a more appropriate questions would be: has anyone not done that?
[00:46] <Pyro_Killer> fishcene: its called something, not aptiude...
[00:47] <fishscene> Rogue-3: lol. Basically making Ubuntu even *more* for human beings.
[00:47] <Pyro_Killer> fishcene: tasksel
[00:47] <fishscene> ooo. I'll look into that.
[00:47] <deathbydeps> Hi all was trying to figure out how to properly glob this; liboce*-dev
[00:47] <Sander^Lap> Jordan_U, Ari-Yang: Ive booted with the radeon.sound=1 option now. How can I verify that it did get picked up?
[00:47] <deathbydeps> Any ideas?
[00:48] <Ari-Yang> Sander^Lap: ....hook up your laptop to the tv and play something? .__.
[00:48] <wylde> fishscene, create a deb with all the required packages as dependencies?
[00:48] <Jordan_U> Sander^Lap: "cat /proc/cmdline" You also still need to edit /etc/default/grub and run update-grub to make the change permanent.
[00:48] <Ari-Yang> Sander^Lap: open up a terminal and run demsg | grep audio
[00:48] <inflated_nEVADA> anybody have an idea on ps3 media server how to stream all content to xbox 360 to play all file types ex: mkv, mp4, m4v
[00:48] <fishscene> wylde: I'll look into that too
[00:48] <Ari-Yang> Sander^Lap: and dmesg | grep radeon
[00:48] <Ari-Yang> !pastebin > Sander^Lap
[00:49] <Ari-Yang> paste it there
[00:49] <ubnoobtu> !pastebin
[00:49] <deathbydeps> I want to install all of the -dev packages for anything that starts with liboce but I don't know how to glob it and after hours looking around I don'y see any clear instrutions were I have been looking
[00:50] <deathbydeps> Geees I was just typing
[00:50] <sam113101> hello guuuyysss :)))))), where do I find this on ubuntu 13.10: http://i.imgur.com/uUQ7NKt.png ?
[00:50] <jrib> deathbydeps: well what did you try?
[00:50] <Sander^Lap> Ari-Yang, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6303814/
[00:50] <jonjonjon> can i ask for help about lubuntu in here?
[00:50] <jrib> deathbydeps: there are really only two reasonable possibilities (assuming you can pattern-match at all when you apt-get install (you can))
[00:50] <deathbydeps> sudo apt-get install liboce*-dev
[00:50] <Ari-Yang> Sander^Lap: now test out to see if audio works
[00:50] <Pyro_Killer> jonjonjon: give it a go
[00:50] <jrib> deathbydeps: that's one try.  You probably got some meaningful error.
[00:50] <Ari-Yang> Sander^Lap: hook up your laptop to tv with hdmi..
[00:51] <jonjonjon> i just installed lubuntu coming from windows 7, i can't seem to add  volume button/wheel to the bottom right corner, how do i do this?
[00:51] <Ubnoobtusalvage> wilee-nilee, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6303817/
[00:51] <deathbydeps> yes jrib
[00:51] <jrib> deathbydeps: did you get a meaningful error?
[00:52] <jrib> deathbydeps: what did it say? :)
[00:52] <deathbydeps> E: Unable to locate package liboce*-dev
[00:52] <sam113101> where do I find this on ubuntu 13.10: http://i.imgur.com/uUQ7NKt.png ?
[00:52] <jrib> deathbydeps: it probably said more than just that
[00:52] <deathbydeps> E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'liboce*-dev'
[00:53] <jrib> deathbydeps: yes, are you familiar with "regex"?
[00:53] <Pyro_Killer> jonjonjon: ill have a look once chromim is installed, though using a less minimalistic desktop enviroment might be better, windows people usually find themselves quite a thome with KDe
[00:53] <wilee-nilee> Ubnoobtusalvage, I see nothing with that Firefox update you mention, as far as addressing errors you seem to be getting, the restricted extras or the flash plugin should run, I would go restricted for the full package including codecs myself.
[00:53] <deathbydeps> Nope, but it sounds like I am about to become very familiar with it
[00:53] <ubnoobtu> I may have uninstalled it,
[00:54] <jonjonjon> Pyro_Killer: thanks, i am using lubuntu as i like this minimalistic approach, i tried ubuntu but too much going on everywhere for me
[00:54] <dailylinux> Did  an install from mini.iso, and now i can't install boot loader into /dev/sda
[00:55] <ubnoobtu> yea, I did, but how would I install that wilee-nille, I'm reinstalling firefox,
[00:55] <wilee-nilee> dailylinux, This a computer with a uefi?
[00:55] <jonjonjon> also why do some of my icons on the lubuntu desktop fly around?
[00:55] <dailylinux> ah yeah
[00:55] <dailylinux> shit
[00:55] <wilee-nilee> ubnoobtu, Is this FF error a flash popup?
[00:55] <jrib> dailylinux: regex is short for "regular expressions".  You should check out regular-expressions.info (for example; there are a lot of great resources out there for regex).  In your example, you'll want to use ".*" instead of just "*"
[00:55] <ubnoobtu> wilee-nilee, FF?
[00:55] <dailylinux> wilee-nilee, i need to turn that shit off
[00:55] <wilee-nilee> ubnoobtu, Firefox
[00:56] <Pyro_Killer> jonjonjon: does your soundcard work?
[00:56] <jonjonjon> yes
[00:56] <Sander^Lap> Ari-Yang, I have a samsung 2494hm screen which should support hdmi audio..
[00:56] <ubnoobtu> wilee-nilee; Yea, it says it not there
[00:56] <wilee-nilee> dailylinux, I'm not really up on uefi stuff, please refrain from swearing here. ;)
[00:56] <Sander^Lap> Ari-Yang, I dont see any output devices besides analog output.
[00:56] <Pyro_Killer> jonjonjon: right click on the bar, click "add remove panel item", and check it in there
[00:57] <jonjonjon> yeah i did that but it's still invisible
[00:57] <dailylinux> wilee-nilee. sure
[00:57] <ubnoobtu> wilee-nilee, it says get the latest  Flash Player
[00:57] <wilee-nilee> ubnoobtu, You don;t need to reinstall firefox on a missing flash. The flash in ubuntu is a little old as adobe is not keeping a linux upgrade available, you could try chrome.
[00:57] <Ari-Yang> Sander^Lap: Sound under Settings should something like this http://gyazo.com/84f5bc957489401aa3e724bb48ba41b1
[00:58] <ubnoobtu> even after I reinstalled it
[00:58] <ubnoobtu> okay.
[00:58] <topper4125> !uefi
[00:58] <deathbydeps> So the * glob is working but there is one or more of the packages that come under the glob I am using that are missing?
[00:59] <Sander^Lap> Ari-Yang, it dosnt.. And dmesg also displayed: radeon: unknown parameter 'sound' ignored.
[00:59] <ubnoobtu> nope, not in chromium ewither
[00:59] <Ari-Yang> Sander^Lap: dunno then :/ not sure it's because if you're testing out on a USB or something else...
[01:00] <deathbydeps> I still think the issue is the way I am trying to glob as apt is trying to find a package called liboce*-dev
[01:00] <Pyro_Killer> sudo apt-get install  *
[01:00]  * wilee-nilee wonders what glob is
[01:00] <ubnoobtu> how do I install flash from adobes website?
[01:01] <sam113101> how should I update, use the updater or reinstall everything?
[01:01] <dailylinux> topper4125, thx
[01:01] <Pyro_Killer> btw, don't type that in, it's an old joke
[01:01] <sam113101> (to 13.10)
[01:01] <deathbydeps> Surely there is a way to do a wild card in the middle of a package name?
[01:01] <wilee-nilee> ubnoobtu, You cant get the latest flash for linux period, the closest is google chrome
[01:01] <jrib> deathbydeps: i told you how
[01:01] <jrib> deathbydeps: it's a regex, not a glob.
[01:02] <ubnoobtu> wilee-nilee, so its down for you too?
[01:02] <deathbydeps> ubnoobtu: You don't you install it from the Software Centre
[01:02] <sam113101> how should I update to 13.10, use the updater or reinstall everything?
[01:02] <deathbydeps> jrib: cool
[01:02] <deathbydeps> Okay
[01:02] <wilee-nilee> ubnoobtu, No, but I don't use social media, and other areas that some seem to have problems.
[01:02] <Dr_Willis> sam113101:  what reease you got now?
[01:02] <ahow628> hitsujiTMO: Did you see my pastebin? The last item is the wireless card and says it is using iwlwifi driver and module. What does that tell me?
[01:02] <sam113101> Dr_Willis: 13.04
[01:02] <pabdou> i currently have backuppc but do not know how to configure it and to get it up and running backing up all the other computer
[01:03] <sam113101> I had some problems with 13.10, but I think I know how to fix some of these, now
[01:03] <dequeued> I'm very confused about how du works
[01:03] <hitsujiTMO> ahow628: soory, missed it ... i'll have a look nowe
[01:03] <ahow628> hitsujiTMO: Can i find the same info for the LiveCD and compare what it is using.
[01:03] <Dr_Willis> sam113101: upgrade should work.  of course - make backups in case. ;)
[01:03] <dequeued> without any options, it says that some files use 0 blocks, even when they're not empty
[01:03] <ahow628> hitsujiTMO: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6303795/
[01:03] <sam113101> Dr_Willis: ok
[01:03] <sam113101> will try
[01:03] <Dr_Willis> sam113101:  or do a clean instgall if you dont have a lot of customizatuons to worry about
[01:03] <dequeued> and it says that I use exactly double the amount of blocks that stat reports
[01:03] <sam113101> I do
[01:03] <sam113101> and I want to keep my programs
[01:04] <Dr_Willis> what programs?
[01:04] <Dr_Willis> I rarely worry about keeping stuff i installed via the package manager. Its easy to reinstall it. ;)
[01:04] <sam113101> I know
[01:04] <sam113101> but I've reinstalled a lot in the last few days
[01:04] <Dr_Willis> not like in windows. where   you got to track down each .exe installer... ;)
[01:04] <sam113101> so I had to do that multiple times
[01:05] <icebergy> can ubuntu be installed on samsung tablet
[01:05] <icebergy> can ubuntu be installed on samsung tablet
[01:05] <Dr_Willis> !touch | icebergy
[01:05] <Pyro_Killer> icebergy: it is a known fact installing anything but windows on anything samsung bricks it
[01:05] <Dr_Willis> icebergy:  theres only a select few tablets it can work on.
[01:05] <Pyro_Killer> if it has UEFI
[01:05] <Ben64> !behelpful | Pyro_Killer
[01:05] <pabdou> i currently have backuppc but do not know how to configure it and to get it up and running backing up all the other computer
[01:05]  * deathbydeps is finding out what regex is
[01:05] <sam113101> Dr_Willis: btw, my old home folder (that I kept on multiple updates, + arch and suse), wasn't the source of my issues
[01:06] <Dr_Willis> deathbydeps:  theres a book called 'mastering regular expressions' thats worth tracking down ;)
[01:06] <Ari-Yang> !e17
[01:06] <deathbydeps> Oooo am I ment to greping?
[01:07] <deathbydeps> I have never greped with apt before this could be exiting!
[01:07] <Dr_Willis> deathbydeps: grep uses one 'regular expression engine' - other apps/languages can use others.
[01:07] <deathbydeps> Oh okay Dr_Willis thank for the heads up
[01:07] <deathbydeps> Dr_Willis: Cool
[01:07] <Dr_Willis> often its little differances btween the engines that can cause issues. but ive rarely had problems - i tend to just do rather simple expressions
[01:08] <jrib> deathbydeps: in regex '.' means any single character.  '*' means 0 or more of the previous atom.  So ".*" in regex is what you usually think of as just "*" in globs
[01:09] <Dr_Willis> deathbydeps:  if you really want to learn them. theres some regrexp builder apps in the repos. and ive seen some for my android phone. ;) that let you test things out in sort of 'real time' as you change the expressionws
[01:09] <hitsujiTMO> ahow628: i'm at a loss, seems everyone is happy at leaving n disabled. it would be interesting to see the output of lspci -k    from the live cd tho
[01:09] <Ari-Yang> how do I check if ubuntu has a native e17 in its repos? and if it doesn't, will ppa purge completely remove the e17 that I currently have installed if ubuntu doesn't have e17 in its repos?
[01:09] <deathbydeps> jrib oh cool thank
[01:09] <deathbydeps> s
[01:10] <Dr_Willis> thees a imporntant thing to remer about '0 or more' of a patern. vs '1 or more' of a patern also deathbydeps  :) but i cant rember the details any more heh..
[01:10] <deathbydeps> Cool that worked I was just missing the .
[01:10]  * wilee-nilee hums "please release me let me gui"
[01:11] <Dr_Willis> http://www.regular-expressions.info/examples.html
[01:12] <G4JC> hello everyone, I just installed a pci parallel printer card for someone because their printer-to-usb cable no longer works with Linux. However the pci card doesn't work either! So I was wondering if someone might be able to help me debug the pci card.
[01:14] <Dr_Willis> wow. how old is that card? ;)
[01:14] <G4JC> I know the problem is closely related to the fact parport_pc.ko doesn't see the device as a Parallel, it's detecting it as a serial but the serial module doesn't load either...
[01:14] <G4JC> Dr_Willis: Brand new from hong kong on ebay :P
[01:14] <Dr_Willis> i havent even seen one of those mentioned in.. well.. decades
[01:14] <G4JC> yeah, problem is it's an old printer too.
[01:15] <G4JC> but I know it works fine on WinXP still so presumably I can make it work on Ubuntu 12.04.
[01:15] <Dr_Willis> i had a nice network-printserver-parallel port gizmo i used for my old laserjet6l for years.
[01:15] <G4JC> classic. :)
[01:16] <Dr_Willis> G4JC:  thats not always true. :) could be its some weird chipset that has no drivers/or not known about for linux.
[01:16] <Ben64> probably time to get a printer from the past decade
[01:16] <Dr_Willis> G4JC:  start by looking at dmesg output. and lspci   is about all i can suggest.
[01:16] <G4JC> Ben64: Client refuses to upgrade to an all-in-one. And not many small regular printers left on the market? :P
[01:16] <Dr_Willis> but it sounds like it is unsupported from your earlier comments.
[01:17] <ahow628> hitsujiTMO: I have a LiveCD sitting around, perhaps I'll find out. Also, I think (but not sure) that wifi was working before installing updates after install. Maybe I'll do a second install and see what updates come along and see if I can do some further diagnostic.
[01:17] <Dr_Willis> small regular printer? got a Brother laser printer for $99 the other day. built in wireless.
[01:17] <G4JC> Dr_Willis: Not quite, I found some blog in a different language which according to google translate has a work around for making it work :D
[01:17] <G4JC> Dr_Willis: The downside is the blog says.... reload parport_pc dengan io  address de00  #  cd  /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/parport
[01:17] <Dr_Willis> i dont use All-In-One printers. ;)
[01:17] <hitsujiTMO> ahow628: might be interesting to look to see if theres any preconfigured options on the live cd for that module aswell ... matching those to your install could be the fix
[01:18] <ahow628> hitsujiTMO: The speed is noticeably slower, but not unusable by any means. Probably the worst is that there is a lag to everything when compared to plugging in the ethernet cable.
[01:18] <playervsplayer> Is there a way to automatically disable the touchpad on my laptop when I plug in an external usb mouse?
[01:18] <ahow628> hitsujiTMO: Yeah, I'll check those.
[01:18] <Dr_Willis> playervsplayer:  ive not seen a way. but i do have a touchpad-toggle script i can pastebin for you. ;)
[01:18] <G4JC> but of course I am using a 3.2 kernel and it says kernel/drivers/parport doesn't exist.
[01:18] <playervsplayer> Dr_Willis: That would be cool, thanks
[01:18] <Dr_Willis>  pastebinit touchpad-toggle
[01:19] <Dr_Willis> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6303910/
[01:19] <Dr_Willis> my mouse is always pluged in. :) but sometimes its off. :) so i perfer a script like that
[01:19] <playervsplayer> Works great, thanks
[01:20] <G4JC> hmm the parport_pc.ko is loaded. But I've no idea "where" it actually is. "find   parport_pc.ko" was a fail.
[01:20] <ahow628> hitsujiTMO: I'm surprised so many people are ok with the mediocre performance given how many ultrabooks use that wireless card. Although I suppose the subset installing Ubuntu is small vs those keeping Windows installed.
[01:20] <Dr_Willis> i had a .desktop file to launch it from the menus playervsplayer  but for somereason its not working from it any more for me on lubuntu. not sure what the deal is. ;)
[01:20] <Dr_Willis> G4JC:  use locate instead of find perhaps?
[01:20] <hitsujiTMO> ahow628: some people will simply remove the pci card and swap it for a compatable one on ebay tho
[01:21] <Pyro_Killer> so i install lubuntu, then i installed gnome, but all windows have the same theme as lubuntu, how do i change this?
[01:21] <Dr_Willis>  /lib/modukes/your-kernel-version/kernel/drivers/parport   perhaps
[01:21] <new0> i can't run my new project on my server. the project i crested is at /home/projectFiles... and my server folder is at /var/www how can i set it to work?
[01:21] <Dr_Willis> Pyro_Killer:  you mean the widgits inside the  windows? or the windows decorations?
[01:22] <ahow628> hitsujiTMO: Ah, never thought about that. I might see what card has better compatibility buy something. Any suggestions?
[01:22] <G4JC> Dr_Willis: yep I see it. Thank you... :)
[01:22]  * G4JC goes to try reloading it per the blog...
[01:22] <Pyro_Killer> Dr_Willis: the frame around the programs i run, wheere the close, minimize and maxcimize are
[01:22] <quotemstr> If I want to debug a program already on my system, say foo, I can download the foo-dbg package to get symbols.
[01:22] <new0> maybe i need a symbolic link?
[01:23] <quotemstr> But foo-dbg doesn't come with source. Is there a way to automatically make source debugging work? I can use apt-get source to download a source package, but then I need to tell gdb about the source location manually.
[01:23] <new0> i remember that i did it before, but, not sure how
[01:24] <Dr_Willis> Pyro_Killer:  lubuntu uses openbox for its window manager.. so if you want to change the window decoration for lubuntu. you use the openbox config tool. or the lubuntu settings tool .
[01:24] <Dr_Willis> Pyro_Killer:  gnome/unity/ uses a differnt window manager. so the window decoration will be differnt
[01:24] <hitsujiTMO> ahow628: others might be able to tell you specific brands/models which are good and bad, i'm not terribly read up on it ( i just steal whatever is lying around work that works )
[01:25] <hitsujiTMO> ahow628: i can tell you i am running a Qualcomm Atheros AR9485 on this machine right now which runs really well on 13.10
[01:25] <Dr_Willis> Pyro_Killer:  on lubuntu -> bottom left button -> perferances -> customize look and feel.   sems to let me change most lubuntu settings
[01:25] <Dr_Willis> but im on 13.10
[01:25] <Pyro_Killer> Dr_Willis, i changed it in gnome, that didn't work but doing the same in Lubuntu worked, cheers
[01:26] <Dr_Willis> Pyro_Killer:  gnome is not using openbox.  its using somthing else
[01:26] <Dr_Willis> the Inside of the apps. would be gtk2/3/whatever. those should stay the same
[01:27] <Dr_Willis> the whole idea of 'themes' in ubuntu, is radically differnt then 'themes' in windows. ;)  think of it in ubuntu as 'themeable parts of the desktop'  you can mixx and match the themes of the differnt parts
[01:27] <G4JC> Dr_Willis: Drats. Was following this tutorial: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fbpranoto.blogspot.com%2F2013_09_01_archive.html when I realized it won't work - [ 7867.316423] parport 0xde00: You gave this address, but there is probably no parallel port there!
[01:27] <G4JC> it is the same device though
[01:28] <G4JC> 02:01.0 Serial controller: Device 4651:7073 (rev 10) (prog-if 02 [16550])	Subsystem: Device 4651:7073	Flags: medium devsel, IRQ 16
[01:28] <G4JC> oh well... presumably unsupported. :P
[01:28] <Dr_Willis> G4JC:  could be its using a differnt address depending on  how the system allocated the addresses.. been years since ive last had to mess with hardware at that level
[01:28] <G4JC> possibly.
[01:29] <Dr_Willis> I need to get one of those E-print printes sometime.. so  i can print straight from my tablet. ;)
[01:30] <G4JC> Dr_Willis: the thing I find strange, the blog was at least able to get I/O ports information from lspci -v, I don't have that luck even though it's the same device id. Coincidentally it also came with a bunch of chinese drivers on a disk with no rhyme or reason to what they're for. Just run them as sudo ;P
[01:30] <ahow628> hitsujiTMO: Ok, I'll look into that. I've also got an Edimax usb nano wifi adapter I might give a go.
[01:30] <Dr_Willis> be nice if Ubuntu One could work as a pdf- (or whatever) printer device for my phone.   guess google drive has a similer feature allready.
[01:30] <Dr_Willis> ahow628:  i got an edimax mini dongle ;) $9 on amazon. works well
[01:31] <ahow628> Dr_Willis: Great to know. I'll try that. There are 3 usb ports on my Portege so I won't be missing out on much by using it.
[01:32] <hitsujiTMO> ahow628: btw, since you're running a ultrabook, i'd check the size of the internal card you already have first before you buy anything just incase you get one that's too big
[01:32] <ampw> if i use dd to install iso to my usb will it automatically erase the current info on it?
[01:32] <ahow628> hitsujiTMO: Alright, will do.
[01:33] <G4JC> Dr_Willis: Let's see disk from hong-kong provides a blob with no instructions... pci60806a: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.2.5, not stripped
[01:33] <G4JC> risky to run imo
[01:33] <G4JC> lol.
[01:33] <hitsujiTMO> ampw: yes, you're overwriting the tables. best to use something like unetbootin instead
[01:34] <TeeGhost> How to install wink to ubuntu 12.04?
[01:34] <dr_willis_> !info wink
[01:35] <sha1sum> Okay, so my displays were seemingly working fine for a while with no intervention needed, then I noticed that my HDMI television was darker than my built-in LED, which was messing with some videos, so decided to install the fglrx-updates and fglrx-amdcccle-updates packages...
[01:35] <TeeGhost> and here it is:http://www.debugmode.com/wink/download.htm
[01:35] <sha1sum> previous had the AMD drivers installed and decided to remove them because of the same problem I'm having now, but I'd like to have per-display color management (mostly brighness and contrast) control, so I'd like to get the AMD stuff working, but my HDMI display has an underscan
[01:36] <wilee-nilee> TeeGhost, claims of success here. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/failing-to-install-and-run-wink-in-xubuntu-12-04-a-4175464653/
[01:36] <BradTN> guys
[01:36] <sha1sum> I can't seem to find the overscan settings in the Catalyst Control Center, probably because they don't exist on the GUI in Linux, but I also don't have any non-X display *at all*
[01:36] <BradTN> media server on ubuntu. had some drives fail on me was running a raid 6 software. When i get my drives back should i continue with riad?
[01:37] <BradTN> raid*
[01:37] <new0> how do i make a link symbolic to /var/www at my home folder? so it will be writable?
[01:37] <TeeGhost> wilee-nilee: thx!
[01:37] <sha1sum> I would set a couple of aticonfig options, but apparently I can't stop X because I can't see wtf I'm doing in a tty session lol
[01:37] <BradTN> or run drives all separate? whats your opinions
[01:37] <wilee-nilee> TeeGhost, here is askubuntu links as well. http://askubuntu.com/search?q=wink
[01:40] <TeeGhost> wilee-nilee: thank you very much!
[01:41] <G4JC> https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/f20bd0e5597af8a86ae82e772d6cee9542620bedf3aca8a1fd83978f89e5d931/analysis/1382751480/ blob appears clean I suppose...
[01:41] <wilee-nilee> TeeGhost, No problem, you get it running>
[01:41] <sha1sum> So basically, (a) what happened to my non-X display after installing fglrx, and (b) how do I set overscan settings for a particular display with aticonfig if I can't see anything that's not in X?
[01:43] <wilee-nilee> sha1sum, Plaese keep it clean acronyms for swearing are not allowed any more than the actual words
[01:43] <sha1sum> wilee-nilee: you got it :) I hardly notice anymore (which probably doesn't speak well for me)
[01:44] <Pyro_Killer> i started downloading random theme packs, dewar god there is a lot of ugly themes out there :D
[01:44] <sha1sum> Pyro_Killer: one man's trash...
[01:45] <Pyro_Killer> shalsum: a lot of them looked like the ones found on solaris 9 machines, the java based ones
[01:45]  * wilee-nilee wonders what cognitive processing has people think that swearing on a worldwide irc channel that crosses multiple cultural, ethnic and gender boundaries is even close to a functional response
[01:46] <sha1sum> wilee-nilee: the "F" doesn't even mean what it's supposed to mean to me anymore. It actually is no longer an acronym; it's an entity of its own that means "huh?" in general more than the actual words that made the original acronym.
[01:47] <deego> that's true, isn't it? wtf is so common it even appears on mainstream *US* tv now, without any censoring :)
[01:47] <sha1sum> Symptom of teh interwebz most likely. Acronyms now have "lives of their own."
[01:47] <sha1sum> When they started appearing in the dictionary I was certain the World was ending soon.
[01:48] <wilee-nilee> cable maybe
[01:48] <Pyro_Killer> there should be a standardised dictionmary of powerful exclemations that are apropriate
[01:49] <wilee-nilee> it's just disrespectful of any context, not everyone communicates that way, without being sure it is a norm
[01:49] <sha1sum> There should also be standardized units of measure... Oh wait, there are, we just don't use them here. Sorry.
[01:50] <deego> I know, right? And, with each non-appropriate word, there should be a detailed explanation of just why it isn't, so it can be used as a reverse dictionary. Kinda like we can use "parent's advisories" as a nudity guide..
[01:50] <sha1sum> wilee-nilee: You're correct, I just have to be reminded of that every once in a while. ;)
[01:50] <sha1sum> deego: Kind of like a "slang dictionary" of sorts?
[01:50] <deego> :)
[01:50] <btcfaucet> Hi, new here, don't want to "ask to ask" but I figured I'd ask first if there's chance of support here?
[01:51] <hitsujiTMO> !ask | btcfaucet
[01:51] <wilee-nilee> lol
[01:51] <sha1sum> btcfaucet: There's a chance. Very complicated formula to find out exactly what the chance is, but better off just to ask the question :D
[01:51] <wilee-nilee> bazinga
[01:51] <deego> btcfaucet: You can't ask to ask, It's ok to ask to ask to ask, though.
[01:52] <Pyro_Killer> By my smelly moustache comb, why wount this green durian compile
[01:52] <btcfaucet> so, just did dist-upgrade. When I do the workspace overview, it shows the small preview of workspaces on both of my monitors. Before the upgrade, it used to spread them out over the two screens. Any chance on how to get back to the old way?
[01:52] <btcfaucet> Like not have the overview mirrored on two screens?
[01:52] <sha1sum> Pyro_Killer: have you checked the green durian's dependencies?
[01:52] <wilee-nilee> btcfaucet, A disto upgrade dist-upgrade does not do this?
[01:53] <btcfaucet> well, it just did.
[01:53] <garcianc> btcfaucet, you upgraded to 13.10, right?
[01:53] <btcfaucet> yes.
[01:53] <garcianc> any proprietary drivers?
[01:53] <btcfaucet> an ATI driver would cause this?
[01:54] <wilee-nilee> btcfaucet, Heh, you miss the point the command dist-upgrade does not do a distro upgrade is my point, so a confusing post is all
[01:54] <sha1sum> AMD drivers are causing my overscan woes (the reason I'm here).
[01:54] <btcfaucet> it didn't do it before.
[01:54] <garcianc> just taking a shot, but like wilee-nilee said, a distro upgrade by itself would not do it
[01:54] <btcfaucet> wilee-nilee: oh, sorry. I meant a proper distro upgrade.
[01:55] <btcfaucet> switched to 13.10, and now the workspace overview looks different. 'tiz all.
[01:55] <sha1sum> btcfaucet: from what, may I ask?
[01:55] <wilee-nilee> btcfaucet, I think the display app has options for this in general.
[01:56] <sha1sum> (see what I did with the "ask to ask" thing?)
[01:56] <btcfaucet> i have 2x2 workspaces. one workspace is two screens. before the upgrade, when i did the overview thing, it showed two workspaces on one screen, and the other two workspaces on another screen. now it shows 2x2 on both monitors.
[01:56] <btcfaucet> sha1sum: all right all right i get it, but didn't want to ask for support in a room that was about anything-but-that.
[01:56] <btcfaucet> let's move on :)
[01:57] <sha1sum> moving on...
[01:57] <new0> how can i make link from /home to /var/www ?
[01:57] <btcfaucet> so basically it's not utilising the dual monitors
[01:58] <garcianc> new0, check out the ln command man page. Also, if you want to do that, why not just do what you need to do in the var/www directory?
[01:59] <new0> garcianc, because i write to /var/www on my project files, so i have to make a writable link from /home/www and don't remmeber how to do so
[02:00] <sha1sum> new0: symbolic?
[02:00] <new0> garcianc, also i was hoping someone here can teach me this one line of commend instead of spending some times on linux without knowledge
[02:00] <new0> shalsum yes i guess
[02:01] <wilee-nilee> btcfaucet, With 2x2 and multiple monitors it a bit of a tough google, I see a bug on part of it here is my search. https://www.google.com/search?q=2x2+workspaces+13.10&btnG=Search&hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&gbv=1
[02:01] <sha1sum> new0: first you have to make sure /var/www is writable by that user
[02:01] <dr_willis_> ln  -s foo bar
[02:01] <new0> shalsum that mean what i do in /home/www it will affect /var/www
[02:01] <dr_willis_> that wont make it writeable
[02:01] <sha1sum> ln -s /var/www /home/www
[02:01] <garcianc> new0, ln -s  /var/www
[02:02] <mnub> can i set swap partition  to twice my ram
[02:02] <sam113101> how can I start xmodmap automatically on ubuntu 13.10?
[02:02] <sha1sum> new0: yeah but you still have to have permissions to write on /var/www
[02:02] <sha1sum> symbolic linking doesn't affect permissions
[02:02] <garcianc> new0, but writeability will depend on your permissions in /var/www/ which is why creating the symlink seems silly.
[02:02] <new0> shalsum, ok how?
[02:02] <btcfaucet> reading..
[02:02] <sha1sum> new0: do you know the ownership on /var/www?
[02:02] <new0> garcianc, and hard link? or any link?
[02:02] <btcfaucet> it's not much to do with my problem though :( thanks anyway.
[02:02] <new0> shalsum nop
[02:02] <sha1sum> ls -l /var/www
[02:02] <Dr_Willis> you dont make hard links to directorys as far as i know
[02:03] <sha1sum> then look for the user and group names
[02:03] <btcfaucet> AH! Found it.
[02:03] <sam113101> Dr_Willis: how can I start xmodmap automatically on ubuntu 13.10?
[02:03] <btcfaucet> apparently the setting was reset after the upgrade. Solution goes like this:
[02:03] <reisio> ~/.xmodmaprc
[02:03] <Bosi> Hello everyone, can anyone tell me if Ubuntu 13.10 is faster than 12.04? Or is it the same? thanks.
[02:03] <garcianc> better to create your own subdirectory under /var/www. Something line /var/www/new/ then create your link to that.
[02:03] <new0> shalsum owner is root
[02:03] <btcfaucet> compiz-config -> Expo plugin -> Appearance -> Multi output mode -> One big wall
[02:03] <btcfaucet> tadaaa
[02:03] <Dr_Willis> sam113101:  ~/.config/autostart/ is a normal place for starting scripts
[02:03] <new0>  /var/www
[02:03] <btcfaucet> thanks, still.
[02:03] <sam113101> reisio: is it read automatically?
[02:03] <reisio> Bosi: it's probably roughly the same
[02:03] <reisio> sam113101: should be, yup
[02:04] <wilee-nilee> Bosi, any answer would be subjective dual boot and tell us.
[02:04] <sam113101> Dr_Willis: doesn't work on ubuntu 13.10
[02:04] <sam113101> but it works on ubuntu 13.04
[02:04] <reisio> otherwise you can read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddingProgramToSessionStartup
[02:04] <Dr_Willis> sam113101:  then you may need to make a better script.. or check askubuntu.com
[02:04] <sam113101> Dr_Willis: it's the same script
[02:04] <sha1sum> new0: probably an easier way is to add yourself to the www-data group: usermod -G www-data usernamehere
[02:04] <Bosi> reisio, wilee-nilee, thanks!
[02:04] <sam113101> that thing is always broken
[02:04] <Dr_Willis> new0:  the proper way - is to use the group changes.
[02:04] <sam113101> xmodmap is an app you can never start at boot
[02:04] <btcfaucet> so if anyone happens to ask about the same thing, just copy/paste that thing :) cheers.
[02:04] <sam113101> and I don't know why
[02:05] <reisio> sam113101: probably 'cause you're doing it wrong :)
[02:05] <sam113101> reisio: no
[02:05] <sha1sum> new0: then: chmod -R 764 /var/www
[02:05] <sam113101> reisio: as I said it works on 13.04 but not on 13.10
[02:05] <sha1sum> new0: ln -s /var/www /home/www
[02:05] <new0> Dr_Willis, shalsum, well my ubuntu is on Try Ubuntu mod
[02:05] <reisio> sam113101: then your premise is incorrect :D and it can start at boot
[02:07] <sha1sum> new0: I'm not really sure what that means
[02:07] <Dr_Willis> new0:  try ubuntu mode? you are using a live-cd you mean>?
[02:07] <new0> shalsum, that mean i haven't installed ubuntu yet. it's an.. yes live-cd
[02:08] <new0> Dr_Willis, yes live-cd
[02:08] <Dr_Willis> new0:  so  what are you trying to acomplish exactly? you got a persistant save live usb you are trying to get a web server going on?
[02:08] <new0> Dr_Willis, shalsum, pendrive
[02:08] <sha1sum> So does anyone know how I can set overscan on a particular display using fglrx? Side-note: I also don't have any TTY access at the moment (working on that also)
[02:08] <Miranda``> I'm trying to start XBMC via an upstart script. It loaded the first time correctly, now Ubuntu keeps loading the desktop. Any ideas?
[02:08] <new0> Dr_Willis, yes
[02:08] <sam113101> reisio: you lied to me
[02:08] <Miranda``> It's almost like it's trying to start 2 instances of X. I've got an Xorg.0.log as well as an Xorg.1.log, both with the same creation date/time
[02:08] <reisio> sam113101: lies!
[02:08] <sam113101> doesn't matter what the name of the file is
[02:09] <sam113101> it's not read
[02:09] <sha1sum> new0: ah, gotcha. Just curious: why would you be using a webserver on a live cd?
[02:09] <Dr_Willis> new0:  no idea if group changes would be permnent or not on that setup,. You could make a new user. and the group changes for him may be perment.
[02:09] <wilee-nilee> Miranda``, Isn't there a xbmc distro?
[02:09] <sam113101> xmodmap doesn't want to be executed automatically
[02:09] <Dr_Willis> new0:  and you CAN do a full normal install to a large enough usb flash drive
[02:09] <sam113101> someone help me
[02:09] <reisio> sam113101: it might be that you're meant to use setxkbmap these days
[02:09] <Miranda``> wilee-nilee, There is. I've used it before, but didn't like it.
[02:10] <new0> shalsum, because at the moment i don't have HDD so i have improvise
[02:10] <Dr_Willis> Miranda``:  i just use one 'wide' display with my 2 monitors and drag xbmc over to the 2nd monitor. ;)
[02:10] <sam113101> reisio: if you're willing to translate my xmodmap file to the equivalent using setxkbmap, I will
[02:10] <new0> Dr_Willis, ok how to make user? or how can i can the corrent user?
[02:10] <new0> Dr_Willis, current
[02:11] <sha1sum> new0: wow hard times :(
[02:11] <Miranda``> I don't actually understand upstart, so I don't know what's supposed to trigger *it* to start instead of the 'normal' DM. Mabye it's ran before? (or at least supposed to)
[02:11] <sam113101> http://pastie.org/8431430
[02:11] <reisio> sam113101: nope, I'd have to look up both myself
[02:11] <garcianc> wilee-nilee, better to run xbmc as an application. It still crashes on me sometimes on both ubuntu and mint
[02:11] <wilee-nilee> Miranda``, Ah, what release you be running?
[02:11] <sha1sum> new0: but yeah Dr_Willis is right, you should use a flash drive
[02:11] <new0> shalsum meaning? :)
[02:11] <reisio> sam113101: anyways you'd want to make sure setxkbmap stuff worked first, before investing that time
[02:11] <new0> shalsum it is a flash drive
[02:11] <wilee-nilee> garcianc, tell that to the user
[02:12] <Miranda``> wilee-nilee, 13.1
[02:12] <new0> shalsum, Dr_Willis all my change are saved on the USB Drive
[02:12] <Dr_Willis> new0:  you can do a 'full normal install;' to a usb flash drive.  the persistant-live setup is more for testing. and can cause issues whenyou start doing complex things
[02:13] <new0> shalsum, Dr_Willis ok: 1: how can i check/create user? 2: make the permission
[02:13] <sha1sum> new0: ah now I see where you said pendrive. My nick is sha1sum, not shalsum, btw. none of your messages to me are being highlighted because it's an one not an L ;)
[02:14] <new0> Dr_Willis, untill i have this installation i belive that i will learn how to do these proesses and next time i just i will do it right. right now i can't have Win :( lol
[02:14]  * wylde wonders if permissions changes on directories in /var will survive a reboot on a persistant live usb.
[02:14] <sha1sum> wylde: I'm wondering the same thing
[02:14] <sha1sum> wylde: don't see why not
[02:14] <Dr_Willis> new0:  sudo adduser billgates
[02:14] <Dr_Willis> !permissions | new0
[02:15] <sha1sum> new0: do *NOT* add that creep.
[02:15] <sha1sum> hehe
[02:15] <Dr_Willis> wylde:  no idea on that either.
[02:15] <Dr_Willis> live usb defaults to loging in as ubuntu also. but  you can add new users. but that may cause more issues later
[02:15] <sha1sum> Dr_Willis: that's a good bot trigger to know I'm sure. Probably comes in pretty handy.
[02:15] <new0> shalsum sure do (not)
[02:16] <sha1sum> new0: shalsum != sha1sum
[02:16]  * sha1sum looks into adding "shalsum" to nick highlight on irssi
[02:17] <wylde> sha1sum, because I'm questioning how persistance will deal with those sort of changes, considering the boot and storage are not like an installed system. I would guess that portion of the fs is only loaded in memory. I don't know enough about it to be sure though.
[02:17] <new0> Dr_Willis, shalsum, user been added, now...?
[02:18] <Dr_Willis> new0:  set the group as was mentioned earlier
[02:19] <sha1sum> wylde: I would bet that anything in /etc/* persists.
[02:20]  * sha1sum puts five on it
[02:20] <wylde> sha1sum, possibly. I'll have to make apersistant usb and experiment. I only ever use the for installs :)
[02:21] <sha1sum> Yeah same here.
[02:21] <Dr_Willis> it uses some sort of overlay system ;) never looked into it much
[02:21] <sha1sum> I barely even touch flash drives anymore other than transferring work-related files to another employee, and even then they're only really large ones
[02:21] <Dr_Willis> i do know that there used to be issues with installing some drivers/kernels and getting things working
[02:22] <sha1sum> Don't know why everything doesn't persist so long as it's at least USB 2... With USB 3 it's basically a small SSD
[02:23] <garcianc> I was always curious why some live distros would not boot without a hard drive or other storage present.  The only distro that I could boot without storage present was Slitaz.
[02:23] <new0> sha1sum, ho, right :) now i got it. sorry :)
[02:24] <sam113101> ;[
[02:24] <Dr_Willis> i recall some live-cd disrtos ages ago that could write a new session/changes to the cd disk - somehow ;0
[02:25] <wylde> neat trick that
[02:26] <garcianc> I suspect those live distros "steal" some bytes somehow from the fixed media
[02:26] <xmetal> hmm .. i need to look into a live distro (just to see if something can run on it) min requirements... someone i know ended up getting a Win98, 7GB, 96MB ram PC and thought it was good
[02:26] <new0> Dr_Willis, sha1sum [:)], ok: added user, also sudo usermod -G www-data the_user now?
[02:26] <hitsujiTMO> Dr_Willis: some live distros would write a cache to the first fat32 drive it could find
[02:26] <xmetal> (can you say "D'OH" ?  )
[02:27] <savagecroc> hey our server stopped responding in that nginx couldn't serve any webpages and i was not able to ssh on to it.  I rebooted it and started checking through the log files
[02:27] <sha1sum> new0: yeah do that then...
[02:27] <savagecroc> syslog did not say much but auth.log showed 1000's of attempts to login to the server just before it crashed
[02:27] <Dr_Willis> new0:  login as the newly made user and see if it works
[02:27] <savagecroc> is there anyway i can workout why/how the server crashed?
[02:27] <sha1sum> new0: sudo ln -s /var/www /home/www
[02:28] <nydel_> what is the best way to deal with duplicate sources.list entries?
[02:28] <wylde> savagecroc, DDOS?
[02:28] <hitsujiTMO> new0 DO NOT usermod -g www-data!!!!1
[02:28] <wylde> savagecroc, look into fail2ban :)
[02:28] <Dr_Willis> savagecroc:  1000's of attempts - someone tried to hammer the server. perhaps time to use fail2ban or other login  limiting features
[02:28] <hitsujiTMO> new0: its: usermod -aG www-data
[02:28] <savagecroc> yeah not ddos.. all from the same ip
[02:28] <savagecroc> Dr_Willis: ok
[02:28] <xmetal> i am no "hacking expert" but that sounds like a DDOS
[02:28] <xmetal> ah
[02:28] <xmetal> nevermind then
[02:29] <sha1sum> hitsujiTMO: forgot the -a whoops
[02:29] <Dr_Willis> sounds like a script gone amuck. ;)
[02:29] <sha1sum> hitsujiTMO: I did remember the capital G though ;)
[02:29] <wylde> ok one too many D's ;) heh
[02:29] <savagecroc> but in the auth.log it's only one login every 2 or 3 seconds.. is that still likely to make the system crash?
[02:29] <hitsujiTMO> sha1sum: lol yeah, i was in a rush to say not to :P
[02:29] <new0> hitsujiTMO, sha1sum Dr_Willis , i starting to be confused
[02:29] <sha1sum> hitsujiTMO: it's a brand new user on a live distro though so I doubt the lack of the -a switch is detrimental
[02:30] <hitsujiTMO> sha1sum: ahh a live ... ahh kk.
[02:30] <sha1sum> new0: probably either command is fine
[02:31] <hitsujiTMO> sha1sum: no he will not be able to use sudo if he did -G alone ... he would have to reboot to fix it.
[02:31] <sha1sum> new0: if things start vibrating really badly and your vision gets blurry you typed something wrong
[02:31] <sha1sum> lol
[02:32] <new0> lol
[02:32] <sha1sum> hitsujiTMO: oh then we have to take him through the sudoers process. ick
[02:32] <hitsujiTMO> new0: using -G will overwrite what secondary groups you belong to with what you give it .... -aG will append those groups instead
[02:32] <Dr_Willis> people alwyas seem to get that add-user to group command wrong
[02:32] <sha1sum> new0: yeah use -aG instead of just -G
[02:32] <wilee-nilee> Do they actually make it billgates
[02:32] <Dr_Willis> i think theres some other way to add them also. ;)
[02:32] <new0> hitsujiTMO, sha1sum hoo ok
[02:33] <sha1sum> wilee-nilee: no that's just a Dr_Willis thing I'm thinking.
[02:33] <hitsujiTMO> new0: you will also have to relog for the group changes to be picked up
[02:33] <sha1sum> something sadistic probably
[02:33] <Dr_Willis> sudo adduser edgrubberman
[02:33] <wilee-nilee> lol
[02:33] <new0> hitsujiTMO, reboot is nessasery?
[02:33] <nydel_> sorry to be repetitive: would anyone be able to help me with duplicate entries in apt?
[02:33] <rafaelcunha> I cant access .onion sites. Is this a known problem?
[02:33] <hitsujiTMO> new0 not reboot, relog (log out of user and log in)
[02:33] <kingnick42> nydel_, delete one of them
[02:33] <kingnick42> /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:34] <hitsujiTMO> new0, although not sure how that would work on a live distro :P
[02:34] <kingnick42> if you've got two entries that are exact duplicates just delete one nydel_
[02:34] <wilee-nilee> rafaelcunha, in the onion context yes
[02:34] <Dr_Willis> nydel_:  use the software sources tool to remove the dupes. or edit /remove the dupe files in /etc/apt/sources.list and sources.list.d
[02:34] <wylde> nydel_, if unsure, just start the line you "would" remove with a # until you're sure you made the correct changes.
[02:34] <hitsujiTMO> nydel_ comment out the dups by putting # infront of em
[02:34] <new0> hitsujiTMO, i guess we about to find out?
[02:35] <wilee-nilee> in reality no
[02:35] <Dr_Willis> nydel_:  or move anything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ to some Backup dir if you are in doubt
[02:35] <lilmane92> i tried to comment out the swap but didnt work
[02:35] <sha1sum> Yeah nowadays it's probably some file in sources.list.d that was put there from a copy-and-paste installation of a hard to install application.
[02:36] <sha1sum> hitsujiTMO: I guess he found out how to log out or restart lol
[02:36] <wilee-nilee> lilmane92, what didn't work?
[02:36] <wylde> oooo a persistance test ;)
[02:37] <ausxxh> it's not obvious, is ubuntu-12-04 kernel still stays with 3.5 kernel?
[02:37] <nydel_> Dr_Willis: can i mess anything up by moving /sources.list.d/ for a moment? would doing that then running update possibly make a fresh folder
[02:37] <ausxxh> the desktop is 3.8.x for sure
[02:37] <nydel_> (thank you everyone for your prompt support)
[02:37] <Dr_Willis> nydel_:  it will just disable those ppa's
[02:37] <hitsujiTMO> nydel, you can safely move the contents of the folder out ... but leave the folder itself
[02:37] <sha1sum> wylde: I haven't been this excited since my anaglyph 3D glasses shipment came in years ago
[02:37] <rafaelcunha> wilee-nilee, whats happening?
[02:37] <wylde> lol
[02:37] <wilee-nilee> ausxxh, You try the stack update?
[02:37] <new0> hhh, all my shorcut are gone and now it start some over again
[02:37] <nydel_> Dr_Willis: i believe all the duplicates are in that folder. is everything that's essentialy to ubuntu in sources.list?
[02:38] <rafaelcunha> wilee-nilee, onion sites are down? I cant access hidden wiki
[02:38] <lilmane92> i tried to edit the fstab by commenting out the swap
[02:38] <sha1sum> awwwwwwwww
[02:38] <sha1sum> :(
[02:38] <nydel_> Dr_Willis: i'm trying to avoid going through one by one, it's quite a long list, i did somethign wrong at some point
[02:38] <sha1sum> oh wait
[02:38] <wylde> :( what I suspected sadly.
[02:38] <Dr_Willis> nydel_:  core stuff is in sources.list. having dups dosent really hurt anything
[02:38] <Pyro_Killer> onion got torn down and raided didn't it?
[02:38] <wilee-nilee> rafaelcunha, Not sure I don;t follow the onion, links?
[02:38] <hitsujiTMO> lilmane92: did you do it with sudo or gksudo?
[02:38] <Dr_Willis> nydel_:  having a LONG list of ppa's is often a bad sign. ;) heh
[02:38] <sha1sum> new0: you did log in as the_user (or whatever) right?
[02:38] <wilee-nilee> lilmane92, What is the end goal?
[02:39] <lilmane92> how to turn swap off to be persistent?
[02:39] <nydel_> Dr_Willis: okay thanks. the long list seems to be stopping apt from functioning altogether
[02:39] <Dr_Willis> nydel_:  if you dont rember what each ppa was for. synaptic cn show what apps are in what ppa.
[02:39] <new0> sha1sum, hitsujiTMO also i have 2 screens that share the same resolution instead of each and is right one
[02:39] <Dr_Willis> nydel_:  it shouldent be stopping apt at all.  unless theres a problem with some of the ppas
[02:39] <Integrate_This> hey, So i'm trying to install ubuntu 12.04 on my netbook via usb. the installer is failing to install gub
[02:39] <wilee-nilee> lilmane92, Run sudo blkid and make sure it is the same in fstab and your turning it ioff by # it out.
[02:39] <new0> sha1sum, right, there was not other way, the ubuntu user was not avaliable for me
[02:39] <hitsujiTMO> new0: how are they connected? is one hdmi?
[02:40] <sha1sum> Well that sucks.
[02:40] <sha1sum> Someone needs to either make or find a completely persistent live distro
[02:40] <reisio> sha1sum: what for?
[02:40] <nydel_> Dr_Willis: a while ago, i had problems upgrading, and now i'm stuck with kernel 3.0.5-17 ... all my problems are coming from this, every time i try to update with apt it wants to do a full upgrade but can't do it
[02:40] <sha1sum> reisio: for moments like these when new0 has no hard drive.
[02:40] <flynn_> i'm running CAINE ubuntu and i try to install flash player in the ubuntu software center and it says Failed to download package files, fetch for the deb files say 404
[02:40] <reisio> sha1sum: wouldn't an ordinary live OS manage that?
[02:40] <new0> sha1sum, hitsujiTMO 1: laptop, 2: SONY 17in
[02:40] <nydel_> Dr_Willis: have you heard of that happening before? i believe the upgrade was interrupted perhaps.
[02:41] <wilee-nilee> Integrate_This, run sudo fdisk -l and make sure you are putting it in the right mbr, this is not a uefi is it?
[02:41] <Dr_Willis> nydel_:  disableing all ppa's may be a good thing to do then
[02:41] <hitsujiTMO> new0 but the second screen is connected via hdmi?   or what connection?
[02:41] <Integrate_This> uefi?
[02:41] <wilee-nilee> !uefi | Integrate_This
[02:41] <new0> hitsujiTMO, VGA (2)
[02:41] <kingnick42> nydel_ , you can intall Yppa manager
[02:41] <sha1sum> new0: I'm having some secondary display issues right now, too
[02:41] <nydel_> Dr_Willis: should i try moving sources.list.d/ and running upgrade? or should i go further and do something to sources.list itself
[02:41] <lilmane92> wilee-nilee i got two one is sda/2 and the other is crypt
[02:42] <nydel_> i would //really// like to upgrade to ubuntu current
[02:42] <sha1sum> I just installed fglrx and the catalyst control center and now my HDMI display has black borders around it (underscanning)\
[02:42] <wilee-nilee> lilmane92, You should only have one.
[02:42] <tcstory> in emacs c
[02:42] <kingnick42> Yppa manager has an option to automatically remove duplicate sources.list entries nydel_
[02:42] <hitsujiTMO> new0, odd if its vga, and you can specify the correct dimensions in display settings?
[02:42] <sha1sum> Can't figure out how to make my HDMI display overscan
[02:42] <hitsujiTMO> cant*
[02:42] <new0> sha1sum, HisaoNakai ok maybe it's been fixed. let me check some
[02:42] <Integrate_This> villee-nilee ok, i ran the command
[02:42] <wilee-nilee> lilmane92,And what I suggested is still correct check the UUID.
[02:43] <nydel_> kingnick42: ok i'm looking into Yppa right now then
[02:43] <hitsujiTMO> sha1sum: is it a tv?
[02:43] <lilmane92> wilee-nilee ok thx
[02:43] <Integrate_This> im on the "try ubuntu befor installing"
[02:43] <new0> sha1sum, hitsujiTMO ho ho :) got it
[02:43] <nydel_> kingnick42: ohh i hope i can get apt to install this, this'll make things a lot easier
[02:43] <sha1sum> hitsujiTMO: yep. Panasonic 50-PZ700U
[02:43] <tcstory> in emacs c-d delete a character , i woder know how can i yank a charactor
[02:43] <kingnick42> nydel_ , add the ppa and she'll be right
[02:44] <sha1sum> sorry, TH-50PZ700U
[02:44] <iguano> http://www.theweeklypay.com/index.php?share=19844/
[02:44] <Guest28259> hi, since upgrading ubuntu on my netbook  networking gets disabled after suspend,  any suggestions?
[02:44] <new0> sha1sum, hitsujiTMO remmember the WinKey + P from Windows? pressed that 3 time and now it's good
[02:44] <nydel_> kingnick42: trying it out now thank you
[02:44] <kingnick42> nydel_ , no probs
[02:44] <sha1sum> The sad part is it's a 50" and I'm only getting 46" out of it right now. I could have saved some money. lol
[02:45] <wilee-nilee> Integrate_This, Your description is very confusing and your not identifying what you do not understand in the instructions
[02:45] <new0> sha1sum, hitsujiTMO 1: mirror, 2: equal resolution, 3: the required one (each screen and is real dimention)
[02:45] <wilee-nilee> at least not all
[02:45] <MRX> what version number ubuntu lucid is?
[02:45] <wilee-nilee> 12.04.1 and 2 and 3
[02:46] <wylde> MRX, 10.04
[02:46] <wilee-nilee> 3 is the last
[02:46] <sha1sum> wilee-nilee: quick-draw on the code names eh? lol
[02:46] <wilee-nilee> doh lucid
[02:46] <hitsujiTMO> sha1sum: pull out the manual for it then. i think panasonic refer to it as 1:1 pixel mapping
[02:46] <sha1sum> ohhh didn't double check
[02:46] <new0> sha1sum, Dr_Willis, hitsujiTMO , now how can i remove the link (one of them) i created by mistake?
[02:47] <wylde> MRX, lucid is eol on the desktop, server is still supported IIRC
[02:47] <sha1sum> hitsujiTMO: I looked all through my settings and I didn't see anything that didn't relate to color management, audio, or those annoying closed captions heh
[02:47] <wilee-nilee> Integrate_This, When, where and how are you trying to install grub, and what is the install here a ISO or a partitioned install?
[02:47] <Integrate_This> wilee-nilee, i selected the "try ununtu befre installing" option, opened a terminal and ran sudo fdisk -l
[02:48] <biblesomethingst> https://www.facebook.com/sadbiblestory
[02:48] <Integrate_This> wilee-nilee, i am tring to install ubuntu 12.04 on my netbook right now. The installer keeps crashing saying that it failed to install grub
[02:49] <iguano> http://www.theweeklypay.com/index.php?share=19844/
[02:49] <Integrate_This> wilee-nilee, I am trying to install off of a usb, sice there is no cd rom drive in my netbook
[02:49] <Guest28259> hi, since upgrading ubuntu, to saucy, on my netbook  networking gets disabled after suspend,  any suggestions?
[02:49] <wylde> sounds like efi
[02:49] <wilee-nilee> Integrate_This, Does this computer have a W8 or has it ever had windows on it now or still?
[02:49] <ausxxh> wilee-nilee: what do you mean, my script just does the normal apt-get update
[02:49] <iguano> http://www.theweeklypay.com/index.php?share=19844/\
[02:49] <flynn_> how do i install flash player? It says Failed to fetch http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/(...) i386.deb 404 Not Found
[02:50] <Integrate_This> wilee-nilee, it had windows 8, then my boss got me a cracked W7
[02:50] <sha1sum> hitsujiTMO: oh wow, I just noticed there's a "Zoom adjust" and "PC adjust" option, but they're disabled for some reason. I'm guessing it's because I'm using HDMI and not VGA?
[02:50] <wilee-nilee> ausxxh, I said nothing about a script I asked about the kernel stack.
[02:50] <new0> sha1sum, Dr_Willis, hitsujiTMO, ok about the -ln now it's say: <username> is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[02:50] <wilee-nilee> Integrate_This, You have a uefi setup, and we do not support cracked installs.
[02:50] <ausxxh> wilee-nilee: checking for kernel stack keyword now, new to me...thanks
[02:50] <hitsujiTMO> new0 you did usermod -G didnt you?
[02:51] <ausxxh> wilee-nilee: the thing is, on desktop i got 3.8 automatically, however my server still gets 3.5, they shre the same update script
[02:51] <sha1sum> hahahahah whoops
[02:51] <ausxxh> by script i mean just crop-apt stuff
[02:51] <sha1sum> <--- his fault
[02:51] <Integrate_This> wilee-nilee, we?
[02:51] <new0> hitsujiTMO, with my previus user
[02:52] <hitsujiTMO> new0: type: groups
[02:52] <new0> hitsujiTMO, ok, again what to write?
[02:52] <wilee-nilee> ausxxh, that is the qauntal stack, you can upgrade to the raring however I would clone the OS first if it were me for an easy recovery if it breaks.
[02:53] <hitsujiTMO> new0 you must be in the sudo group to use sudo ... so you have to get root somehow and add that account to the sudo group again
[02:53] <wilee-nilee> kernel does not matter here with a server anyway, no X I assume
[02:54] <Integrate_This> wilee-nilee, so what do I do?
[02:54] <sha1sum> Imaging is a no-questions-asked requirement before *any* updates for me. As a software developer, if the updates break my development environment and I can no longer develop for specific version compatibility, I'm screwed. I can't count the number of times I've been saved by images. JUST DO IT ;)
[02:54] <new0> hitsujiTMO, ok. how to?
[02:54] <hitsujiTMO> sha1sum: its under aspect ratio. keep hitting the 'aspect' button till you get it right
[02:55] <reisio> filesystem backups takeup less space
[02:55] <sha1sum> hitsujiTMO: I have to probably dig out the original TV remote. I'm using a Logitech Harmony right now so otherwise I'd have to reprogram it with that button :)
[02:55] <wylde> squashfs :)
[02:55] <wilee-nilee> reisio, All I have is a file system, all the rest is on a external.
[02:56] <wilee-nilee> basically
[02:56] <hitsujiTMO> new0 ... might be some sort of recovery option on the grub menu, else you'll have to break something in the kernel options to get dropped into busybox
[02:56] <new0> hitsujiTMO, sorry it's chinese for me
[02:57] <sha1sum> new0: mandarin or cantonese?
[02:57] <sha1sum> heh heh
[02:58] <new0> sha1sum, :) nice one
[02:58] <hitsujiTMO> grub is the first menu when you boot the cd ... there may be one of the options that say recover mode or what not... you need to boot that. that brings you to a root command line only session that you can run the fix the user
[02:58] <Integrate_This> hitsujiTMO, you're talking to me rihgt ?
[02:59] <hitsujiTMO> Integrate_This: that was new0 sorry
[02:59] <sha1sum> hitsujiTMO: I'm down to about a 3/4" border now, which is significantly less than the 4" I was experiencing. I still don't like the border, though... I remember I used to be able to set the overscan percentage somehow and my graphics card would take care of changing th scan size
[02:59] <tux_1> Is there a way to install 2 linux operating systems to a disk and not have the separate grub installs fight each other?
[02:59] <Integrate_This> wilee-nilee, you there?
[02:59] <pjs_10> hi, since upgrading ubuntu, to saucy, on my netbook  networking gets disabled after suspend,  any suggestions?
[02:59] <new0> sha1sum, hitsujiTMO i really start to think to install ubuntu on my 4G pendrive. anyway for now i just want to copy all the thing that i have download and playaround a bit.
[02:59] <hitsujiTMO> sha1sum, have a look on the xorg config docs for that
[02:59] <wilee-nilee> tux_1, whichever OS's grub is in the mbr is the controlling grub boot
[03:00] <new0> hitsujiTMO, my ubuntu is live-cd on USB right now
[03:00] <wilee-nilee> tux_1, I have 3 with no problems
[03:00] <new0> hitsujiTMO, and i know what is grub. but i don't have it now
[03:00] <hitsujiTMO> tux_1: you can install a 3rd grub too, that is ony there to boot the other 2, but thats would be a manual install and config for those
[03:01] <hitsujiTMO> tux_1: or use uefi boot
[03:01] <tux_1> plop?
[03:01] <reisio> tux_1: plop fizz fizz
[03:01] <new0> sha1sum, hitsujiTMO anyway i need to copy all the files from the ubuntu folder /home/ubuntu but now i'ts not deletable. how can i change permissino for htat>?
[03:01] <tux_1> and install not in mbr?
[03:01] <Integrate_This> can anybody help me with my ubuntu installer?
[03:01] <sha1sum> Dr_Willis: you were saying earlier that you can actually run an *install* on a USB drive, right? If new0 is running the live version, maybe *installing* to the flash would do the trick?
[03:01] <hitsujiTMO> new0: the first menu is a modified grub menu... you can break it if theres no recovery mode
[03:02] <wilee-nilee> tux_1, Plop is for booting usb on computers that don;t have that option, how about you actually describe the issue.
[03:02] <hitsujiTMO> tux_1 eufi does not use mbr, it has its own boot menu
[03:03] <new0> hitsujiTMO, yes, but now i don't have it. it's live-cd mode
[03:03] <hitsujiTMO> new0 do you have persistent storage on it?
[03:03] <new0> hitsujiTMO, yes
[03:04] <new0> hitsujiTMO, i really have to delete all the files on that folder. how? what is the chmod? -R 764?
[03:04] <tux_1> What will happen if I install grub to he partition only? (Machine too old for eufi)
[03:04] <new0> hitsujiTMO, btw, did u say that u have problem with ur screen too?
[03:05] <hitsujiTMO> new0: nope, just chatting with sha1sum about his problem
[03:05] <reisio> tux_1: what's the problem?
[03:05] <help_me_please> I am trying to install ubuntu 12.04 and the installer i failing to install grub. what should i do?
[03:06] <hitsujiTMO> new0: if you're not the ubuntu user then you need to have sudo/root access to do anything
[03:06] <reisio> help_me_please: did it install everything else?
[03:06] <wilee-nilee> help_me_please, This is a uefi computer and you have removed windows right?
[03:06] <help_me_please> reisio, it crashes
[03:06] <help_me_please> wilee-nilee, yes
[03:07] <hitsujiTMO> tux_1 you dont install grub to a partition ... that does nothing (except maybe damage the partition)
[03:07] <help_me_please> reisio : the installer I mean
[03:07] <wilee-nilee> help_me_please, No uefi boot partition?
[03:07] <new0> hitsujiTMO, right. and i need to that with grub? i remmember long ago that there were a command so i can use root
[03:07] <reisio> hitsujiTMO: no, you can install to a partition
[03:07] <tux_1> i installed lubuntu 13.10 and then kali linux, i dont like the kali grub install and would like to keep the installs totaly seperate.
[03:07] <reisio> but I wouldn't, without a good reason
[03:07] <new0> sha1sum, u do have problem with ur screen?
[03:08] <help_me_please> wilee-nilee, I'm looking at the bios right now and i see boot uption #1 UEFU PNY USB
[03:08] <hitsujiTMO> new0 su is the command ... but you still need sudo to use it
[03:08] <sha1sum> new0: yeah but it's a graphics-card-related problem... I just have a black border around the edge of my HDMI display (secondary display)
[03:08] <new0> sha1sum, i got mine resolve by pressing WinKey + P few time (3)
[03:08] <Dr_Willis> tux_1: you mean you want to remove the kali install?
[03:08] <help_me_please> wilee-nilee, UEFI *
[03:08] <wilee-nilee> tux_1, you can from the desktop of the OS you want to control the boot run sudo grub-install /dev/sdX X is the mbr of the HD, then run sudo update=grub
[03:09] <wilee-nilee> sudo update-grub*
[03:09] <sha1sum> wilee-nilee, the support machine.
[03:09] <sha1sum> swear you're a robot :P
[03:10] <new0> sha1sum, ho, i got this kind of issue with my Sony Vaio F12 on ubuntu 10.04
[03:10] <sha1sum> not just a bot, but a robot. bots don't have the cool "ro" distinction
[03:10] <wilee-nilee> help_me_please, removing the windows at least the uefi boot is problematic, you still have gpt, I would just wipe the HD make a msdos partition table, and set the bios as legacy
[03:10] <wilee-nilee> and reinstall
[03:11] <new0> hitsujiTMO, so, basicaly there is nothing i can do now?
[03:11] <hitsujiTMO> new0 ... nope ... friad not ...
[03:11] <new0> hitsujiTMO, or maybe i can get some files editing and fix it?
[03:11] <keep> alguem pode me dizer pra que serve essa sala
[03:12] <Dr_Willis> !es
[03:12] <sha1sum> I hate that moment when I go to the fridge and realize that there is no more beer :(
[03:12] <hitsujiTMO> new0 you can if you can get into busybox and the persistent storage is working
[03:12] <new0> hitsujiTMO, can u guide me?
[03:12] <tux_1> wilee-nilee: that will work, thanks
[03:12] <stevecoh1> OK, taking up an issue I started several hours ago.  Since my upgrade to 13.4 my system is dog slow.  Apparently it's all because of my Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RV610 [Radeon HD 2400 PRO] video and there is some issue with drivers I don't understand because this system has run Ubuntu for six years.  Where can I go to get AUTHORITATIVE information about how to make this thing work?
[03:12] <wilee-nilee> tux_1, cool, enjoy
[03:13] <help_me_please> msdos partition table?
[03:13] <stevecoh1> Only Unity is slow.  Once I get any other app to launch it is fine.  I need to fix this.
[03:13] <tux_1> wilee-nilee: you mean "update-grub" ?
[03:13] <wilee-nilee> tux_1, yeah sorry
[03:13] <tux_1> wilee-nilee: k, thanks
[03:13] <new0> hitsujiTMO, how can i get into busybox? and what is that?
[03:14] <sha1sum> stevecoh1: do you know what you upgraded *from* ?
[03:14] <stevecoh1> 10.04->12.04->12.10->13.04
[03:14] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> what kind of encryption can work with just one `folder` , And being able to have that folder in any location or on external media, and can be used through commandline?
[03:14] <Dr_Willis> stevecoh1:  you might want to check with a live cd - and see if the open sourced drivers work well for that card
[03:14] <wilee-nilee> help_me_please, If you have gpt setup or had one the partition table is still that, msdos is a mbr boot.
[03:15] <Dr_Willis> !encrypt
[03:15] <stevecoh1> The live Ubuntu CD?
[03:15] <sha1sum> stevecoh1: in a row, or with time between?
[03:15] <Dr_Willis> stevecoh1:  a live cd of the release you are wanting to use
[03:15] <stevecoh1> possibly not enough time on the 12.10.  12.04 was okay.
[03:16] <help_me_please> wilee-nilee, ok, well I can't book onto my computer normally now
[03:16] <stevecoh1> ok Dr. Willis, where do I look once I am there?
[03:16] <hitsujiTMO> new0 ... at the first menu when you boot the cd is the grub menu. you need to find the recovery mode, but if its not there you can edit the grub boot for the "try ubuntu" option with 'e' and add a break=something to force a drop to busybox(mini os for fixing stuff). the break params can be found here:https://wiki.debian.org/InitramfsDebug
[03:16] <help_me_please> wilee-nilee, I can't boot at all, so how would I go about doing that?
[03:16] <stevecoh1> Why wouldn't the driver I installed from the CD have been the right one?
[03:16] <poz> hi guys, so I am having a problem with my desktop
[03:16] <reisio> poz: bummer man
[03:17] <wilee-nilee> help_me_please, Yes, it wants a boot partition using a uefi gpt schema, as it looks to the installer you still have that setup.
[03:17] <poz> after updating the kernel it went all black (after restart), and then all windows and such duplicate and glitch
[03:17] <new0> hitsujiTMO, how long do u think it's can take?
[03:17] <Dr_Willis> stevecoh1:  theres the open sourced driver. then the closed source fglrx driver for ati cards
[03:18] <Dr_Willis> stevecoh1:  the live cd will use the open sourced driver.
[03:18] <help_me_please> wilee-nilee, ok so i should boot off the usb, and then select install ubuntu?
[03:18] <hitsujiTMO> new0, not long if you know what you're doing ... you just need to edit the /etc/groups file and add the right users to the sudo group
[03:18] <sha1sum> "I like cookies, but I cleared them like my cable provider told me. I know they're enabled but I have no milk. What do I do?"
[03:18] <wilee-nilee> help_me_please, So you want no W8 right?
[03:18] <new0> hitsujiTMO, ok i just saw this link and it's seem to be high stuff to me.
[03:19] <help_me_please> wilee-nilee, no
[03:19] <new0> hitsujiTMO, u mean from the recovery mode?
[03:19] <poz> any ideas on how to fix this?
[03:19] <hitsujiTMO> new0, yes
[03:19] <wilee-nilee> help_me_please, You have anything needing backed up?
[03:19] <help_me_please> wilee-nilee, or yes, i do not want windows 8
[03:19] <hitsujiTMO> that link shows you how to effective break into recovery mode if it doesnt exist
[03:19] <wilee-nilee> ;)
[03:19] <new0> hitsujiTMO, ok. what line i need to add and where?
[03:19] <help_me_please> wilee-nilee, yes, the computer is virtually empty
[03:19] <stevecoh1> I upgraded using the live CD, so I presume, going back to it might be a waste of time?
[03:19] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04>  Dr_Willis: one besides ecryptfs cause it demands it's files be in /home/user and its hard to make a seperate passwd from the user login
[03:19] <sha1sum> hitsujiTMO: recovering recovery mode. That's deep.
[03:20] <Dr_Willis> Roy_Ubuntu_13-04:  no idea.
[03:20] <new0> hitsujiTMO, it's funny. now i can't even install ubuntu :)
[03:20] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> .
[03:21] <sha1sum> OK I'm going to live with my underscan issues until tomorrow. I have mindless television entertainment to catch up on. See ya guys later. :)
[03:21] <wilee-nilee> help_me_please, Cool boot the live environment, open gparted then device and hit create partition table and accept the msdos. Then just run the installer. You want the bios set as legacy first though
[03:21] <new0> hitsujiTMO, sha1sum, Dr_Willis anyway idea on how to install another language for writing?
[03:22] <poz> essentially, this is what is happening to my desktop: http://i.stack.imgur.com/5ETmD.jpg
[03:22] <poz> Can someone please help me fix this?
[03:22] <wilee-nilee> help_me_please, You will have a standard mbr type boot then a bit easier to use in this situation in general.
[03:22] <stevecoh1> Dr. Willis, please answer why you think the live CD would help my Unity speed problem when the upgrade was done from a live CD?  Are there alternative drivers available there?
[03:22] <hitsujiTMO> new0: first just see if you have recovery mode ... if you dont then try adding break=bottom to see if that will kick you to busybox
[03:23] <hitsujiTMO> new0: for which? console for gui os?
[03:23] <flynn_> how do i install adobe flash? it keeps saying Failed to download package files
[03:23] <Dr_Willis> stevecoh1: it is a test. to see if the open sourced driver works properly on your card
[03:23] <fahadash> !dm
[03:23] <wilee-nilee> poz, Heh, you been messing with compiz, or checked the graphic drivers?
[03:23] <new0> hitsujiTMO, hebrew for my keyboard so i can write
[03:23] <Dr_Willis> stevecoh1:  upgrades CAN break the video drivers and cause issues. a live cd is a 'clean' setup test
[03:23] <new0> hitsujiTMO, ok. let me restart and see
[03:24] <hitsujiTMO> new0: system settings -> text entry
[03:24] <edgy> Hi, I am new to openstack and want to start learning, can I install it on a virtual machine and start playing? or because a VM won't have kvm support, I cannot do that?
[03:24] <wilee-nilee> flynn_, Install the ubuntu-restricted-extras from the ubuntu repos
[03:24] <stevecoh1> Oh, are you suggesting I try RUNNING from the live CD?
[03:25] <Dr_Willis> stevecoh1:  yes.
[03:25] <poz> wilee-nilee, I have not messed with compiz for along time (over a month) - just recently did a dist-upgrade and now I have problems
[03:25] <stevecoh1> If it works better that way what would I do next?
[03:25] <new0> hitsujiTMO, i don't have it
[03:25] <flynn_> wilee-nilee: is there a command to do that?
[03:25] <new0> hitsujiTMO, text entry
[03:25] <new0> hitsujiTMO, anyway, rebooting
[03:25] <hitsujiTMO> kk
[03:26] <poz> wilee-nilee, I am thinking that maybe someone the desktop is set to be transparent somehow, I am trying to identify if there is such a setting that can be turned off
[03:26] <wilee-nilee> flynn_, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[03:26] <wilee-nilee> poz, I would run a compiz unity reset for your release
[03:27] <poz> wilee-nilee, but then I have to configure all of the settings again
[03:27] <wilee-nilee> looks fairly stock
[03:27] <wilee-nilee> poz, what settings?
[03:27] <help_me_please> wilee-nilee, ok I created a new partition table. there is only one device available for me to select
[03:27] <flynn_> wilee-nilee: it says E: Unable to locate package ubuntu-restricted-extras
[03:28] <stevecoh1> OK, going off to try the live CD
[03:28] <wilee-nilee> flynn_, Is this a canonical ubuntu release, and if so which one?
[03:28] <help_me_please> wilee-nilee, how do i set the grub to legacy?
[03:28] <wilee-nilee> help_me_please, One device?
[03:29] <flynn_> wilee-nilee: this is caine 4.0
[03:29] <poz> if i remembered it wouldn’t be a problem because I could just redo them. All I remember was sitting around for a very long time trying to make ubuntu look pretty, it was a few months ago. I don't remember all the stuff I changed and I don't feel like I have the energy to waste time reconfigureing it all again
[03:29] <wilee-nilee> flynn_, This is ubuntu support, you will need to find there help.
[03:29] <help_me_please> wilee-nilee, device for boot loader installation /dev/sda ATA st3...
[03:29] <wilee-nilee> help_me_please, where?
[03:30] <poz> all I know is that I updated and now its broken
[03:30] <flynn_> it is based on ubuntu i figured it was the same methods
[03:30] <wilee-nilee> poz, You have a proprietary graphic driver?
[03:30] <help_me_please> wilee-nilee, in the instalation type window. the one where you select the partition to install the OS to
[03:30] <poz> wilee-nilee, unfortunately yeah
[03:31] <wilee-nilee> help_me_please, In the something else choice in the install gui?
[03:31] <hitsujiTMO> flynn_: they changed stuff, we know not what they changed. you'll have to ask them
[03:31] <help_me_please> wilee-nilee, yes
[03:31] <wilee-nilee> poz, Those will not follow kernel upgrades, needs a reload most likely, use the repos drivers.
[03:31] <poz> oh i see
[03:32] <wilee-nilee> help_me_please, That is a manual install, are you up for that and do you need it, sda is the correct place by the way.
[03:32] <poz> wilee-nilee, so you are suggesting just a simple driver reinstall?
[03:32] <poz> its funny I never tryed that
[03:32] <help_me_please> wilee-nilee, I thought you said I needed to create a new partition table
[03:33] <wilee-nilee> poz, Basically yes, I'm not a real driver expert, however I know the proprietary drivers are not a suggested use for not following upgrades
[03:34] <poz> I always switched to a different driver and that made things worse, so I restored to my last backup waited a week to do the update and repeated the same problems... but reinstalling the one that worked before is a great idea. I will let you know how it turns out
[03:34] <wilee-nilee> help_me_please, You do first, the sda is the mbr=master boot record. Have you followed my instructions, ! make the bios as a legacy boot 2, change the partition table in gparted, 3 run the install?
[03:35] <iBurley> Hey guys, I was hoping I could get some advice. I want to make my own little "distro", if you can even call it that, for me and the guys in my office. Is it possible to download just like a flat Ubuntu base that I can stack things upon? Is Ubuntu server just Ubuntu without a GUI?
[03:35] <reisio> iBurley: yes, yes
[03:35] <reisio> iBurley: you don't want a GUI?
[03:36] <wilee-nilee> iBurley, use the mini net-install
[03:36] <IdleOne> !remaster
[03:36] <reisio> that's for live OSes, though
[03:36] <reisio> all you need to make a custom Ubuntu is to customize Ubuntu, then copy it
[03:37] <iBurley> reisio: I do, I want XFCE, but without it being designated "Xubuntu" because I'm not aiming for lightweight applications, I just want the XFCE desktop with the rpograms I specify.
[03:37] <IdleOne> what do you think the Ubuntu CD/DVD is? A live OS that can be installed.
[03:37] <reisio> iBurley: well you could get to that from any version of Ubuntu
[03:37] <wilee-nilee> reisio, Wait, that's just to easy.
[03:37] <wilee-nilee> ;)
[03:37] <reisio> iBurley: but yes you could also do a minimal install without a DE, and then install Xfce alone
[03:37] <reisio> wilee-nilee: ikr :p
[03:39] <iBurley> reisio: So how would I go about doing a minimal install? And that comes with no software? Only the necessary base system?
[03:39] <cfhowlett> !mini|iBurley,
[03:39] <wilee-nilee> help_me_please, If any if this is confusing, tell me, if you skip or get the instructions out of order you will still be in trouble.
[03:39] <cfhowlett> iBurley, then sudo apt-get install xfce4
[03:39] <reisio> iBurley: usually at the end of the install process it asks if you want a DE, you hit space to opt out of it
[03:39] <help_me_please> wilee-nilee, ok, I'm on bios
[03:40] <help_me_please> how do i set it to legacy?
[03:40] <iBurley> Alright, thank you guys very much! Time to get to work!
[03:40] <wilee-nilee> help_me_please, Cool I have not seen the uefi bios setups but there is supposedly a legacy option.
[03:41] <stevecoh1> OK back from that experiment.  No, booting off a live 13.04 CD did not offer any better Unity graphic performance than the install I made from that CD earlier this week.
[03:41] <help_me_please> wilee-nilee, there are three boot options, UEFI: PNY USB, PNY USB, and Aheros boot agent
[03:41] <wilee-nilee> help_me_please, here is a google search on uefi and legacy. https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=uefi+bios+legacy&btnG=&gbv=1&sei=ujlrUuvSNsKCiwKuhIGoBg look around
[03:41] <stevecoh1> So what are my options now.  Is there any way I can fix this short of reinstalling a different version of ubuntu or other distribution?
[03:42] <stevecoh1> I can't tell you how angry I am at ubuntu for not warning that my graphics card was not supported under this version.
[03:43] <poz> wilee-nilee, it did not work
[03:44] <wilee-nilee> help_me_please, THis might be more clear. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI#Set_up_the_BIOS_in_EFI_or_Legacy_mode
[03:44] <reisio> stevecoh1: it probably is, just in a different way
[03:44] <reisio> stevecoh1: explain the problem and we can fix it
[03:45] <wilee-nilee> poz, I'm not really a graphic helper, so others will be better here, using the proprietary drivers is not suggested in the end.
[03:45] <poz> but proprietary drivers are all that work
[03:45] <Zeek> is this the place to ask about wireless card drivers?
[03:46] <poz> if I dont use a proprietary driver then I get a flashing curser thing and nothing happends when I am booting up
[03:46] <poz> zeek, what do you need to know?
[03:46] <wilee-nilee> poz, I can't say that is true or false, the context of that statement is crucial, including the details to it.
[03:47] <stevecoh1> I just did ten minute ago but different people here now.   OK, installed Ubuntu 13.04 on older machine that has used earlier versions for years.  Every time I access Unity it is dog slow, unusable.  Keys typed in the Unity search box take seconds to appear.  Mouse clicks take forever to process.  When I manage to get some other app opened, it is fine.
[03:48] <Zeek> i'm having issues installing realtek RTL8188CUS usb wireless card
[03:48] <reisio> stevecoh1: and what driver are you using?
[03:48] <wilee-nilee> stevecoh1, Install htop and see if something is eating the gpu and ram.
[03:48] <stevecoh1> dmesg says I have  Initialized radeon 2.29.0 20080528
[03:49] <cfhowlett> stevecoh1, lubuntu and xubuntu are optimized for older machines.  look into them
[03:49] <stevecoh1> driver is VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RV610 [Radeon HD 2400 PRO]
[03:50] <stevecoh1> can either lubuntu or xubuntu be installed over this mess, or must I start fresh?
[03:50] <flynn_> fresh
[03:50] <flynn_> afaik
[03:50] <reisio> stevecoh1: you don't need to start fresh, it's just a driver issue
[03:50] <reisio> stevecoh1: try the binary driver
[03:50] <reisio> stevecoh1: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[03:50] <flynn_> btw, stevecoh1 lubuntu is nice. i have tried to run new ubuntu on old machines and its slow and bad, then i ran lubuntu and its fine
[03:50] <cfhowlett> stevecoh1, get a test drive.  sudo apt-get install lxde and xfce4.  logout.  change to other desktop environment.  login.  enjoy.  then choose which full version you want
[03:51] <reisio> you don't need to reinstall to get Lubuntu, either
[03:51] <stevecoh1> So what I want is NOT the open source driver but the closed source driver?
[03:51] <reisio> the only metric for reinstallation of a Unix system is if reinstallation takes less time than fixing it
[03:51] <help_me_please> wilee-nilee, ok, so I'm following these instructions https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[03:51] <reisio> stevecoh1: that is one thing you can try
[03:51] <flynn_> yeah thats why i figured... fresh heh
[03:52] <flynn_> but i am a noob so nvm
[03:52] <wilee-nilee> help_me_please, if that fixes it I well proclaim hallelujah. ;)
[03:52] <Zeek> any1 know how to properlly install a wireless card driver
[03:53] <flynn_> do you know what the wireless card/chip is?
[03:53] <stevecoh1> so far on that metric I'd rather not reinstall.
[03:53] <Zeek> realtek RTL8188CUS
[03:53] <reisio> Zeek: naked and drunk
[03:53] <help_me_please> wilee-nilee, I typed entered the command in the terminal and nothing is happening
[03:53] <stevecoh1> But I am losing patience.
[03:53] <reisio> stevecoh1: that sounds quite wise
[03:53] <reisio> stevecoh1: read the link I gave
[03:54] <flynn_> last time i did it i just had to find the right place to get the drivers, like some weird repository
[03:54] <wilee-nilee> help_me_please, I can't really help you anymore.
[03:54] <Zeek> reisio: preety sure that wont help at all
[03:54] <help_me_please> wilee-nilee, what?
[03:54] <reisio> Zeek: it'd be funner :)
[03:54] <stevecoh1> All right, I will read it carefully.  In a nutshell, this is telling me how to install the closed source driver?  Or is this an alternative driver.
[03:54] <wilee-nilee> all of life is better that way
[03:54] <help_me_please> wilee-nilee, what happened?
[03:55] <reisio> Zeek: 8188?
[03:55] <stevecoh1> reisio, you also mehtioned I think that Lubuntu could be installed on top of this mess I now have?
[03:55] <Zeek> reisio: RTL8188CUS
[03:55] <reisio> stevecoh1: yup, or in place of
[03:55] <poz> have you tryed installing the driver for it yet?
[03:56] <reisio> Zeek: http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/rtl819x according to that you want rtl8192cu from rtlwifi
[03:56] <Zeek> poz: yes, the install.sh script runs good but at the end gets a make error
[03:57] <poz> Zeek, http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PFid=48&Level=5&Conn=4&ProdID=274&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false&Downloads=true
[03:57] <poz> Zeek, about half way down is the 8188
[03:58] <poz> do a search on that site for 8188CUS
[03:58] <poz> and download the linux one, try to install it
[03:58] <reisio> Zeek: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2150572
[03:58] <Zeek> poz: yes i downloaded the realtek's driver but the installation script failed
[04:00] <Zeek> reisio: im looking into the github one
[04:01] <reisio> Zeek: what does that mean to me?
[04:02] <stevecoh1> reisio, the AMD driver is supported for Kernel version up to 3.4 but I am running 3.8.0-32
[04:03] <reisio> stevecoh1: meaning what, it won't install?
[04:03] <Zeek> reisio: that im looking into this one https://github.com/chunkeey/rtl8192su
[04:03] <reisio> Zeek: what does that mean to me?
[04:03] <stevecoh1> Your link sent me to the AMD site.  The driver they suggest says its good up to kernel 3.4
[04:04] <Ari-Yang> stevecoh1: I warn you, fglrx has terrible 2d acceleration though I think fglrx catalyst legacy is what you'd use seeing how you have a hd2000
[04:06] <reisio> stevecoh1: I wouldn't worry about that
[04:06] <stevecoh1> so it's worth a try in your opinion?
[04:06] <reisio> yup
[04:06] <stevecoh1> Can I back out if it's no good?
[04:06] <reisio> but you could also try another version of radeon if you want
[04:06] <stevecoh1> I wish I could back out of this upgrade I did.
[04:07] <stevecoh1> another version of radeon?
[04:07] <stevecoh1> where would that be found?
[04:10] <stevecoh1> Ari-Yang terrible 2d acceleration would hurt me how?  I don't need all this stuff except latest version of the OS are forcing me to use it.  I'm no gamer or anything like that.
[04:10] <Dr_Willis> there are some xorg ppa's thta may have differnt versions of the open sourced drivers. the addational-drivers tool/tab may have several versions of the fglrx driver
[04:10] <stevecoh1> the additional drivers tool tab lists nothing
[04:10] <Dr_Willis> id double check your exact chipset to verify that it is in fact only supported by the open sourced driver then.
[04:11] <flynn_> is there a way to make a ubuntu live usb and have it not have access to the computer's harddrives by default?
[04:11] <Dr_Willis> askubuntu.com may have the answer to that.
[04:11] <Zeek> poz: i tried to install the driver but the script fails
[04:11] <Dr_Willis> flynn_:  not that ive noticed.  the gnome gvfs stuff auto mounts partions on the fly by default
[04:12] <stevecoh1> I waited all week for askubuntu to tell me anything.  It was useless.  I've gotten better info here.
[04:12] <Dr_Willis> you did Search askubuntu.com first? ive rarely seen a question asked  that wasent allready answered
[04:12] <stevecoh1> double check my exact chipset.  Where?
[04:12] <Dr_Willis> the forums or askubuntu.com or the ati web site list of what chipsets are supported.
[04:13] <Dr_Willis> how old is that video card/chipset? if its more then a few years. then it may be no longer supported by the fglrx drivers.
[04:13] <Dr_Willis> ati is very good at dropping support for their things in a very quick manor. sadly
[04:14] <stevecoh1> Ha, check out this one: http://askubuntu.com/questions/364326/how-to-recover-from-bad-upgrade-to-13-04-unity-very-slow
[04:14] <Dr_Willis> what was the chipset anyway?
[04:14] <Dr_Willis> 13.04 isent the latest any more. 13.10 is ;)
[04:15] <stevecoh1> you mean VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RV610 [Radeon HD 2400 PRO] or something more detailed?
[04:15] <stevecoh1> video card about six years old.
[04:16] <bitshifternz> has the method for installing x86 libs on a x64 OS changed in 13.10?
[04:16] <Dr_Willis> id say at 6 yrs old. its no longer supported by the fglrx drivers
[04:17] <bitshifternz> was trying to apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dev:i386 to cross compile for x86 but it wanted to uninstall the x64 version
[04:17] <cretsiah> i have a 32-bit, 3ghz cpu, 256meg nvidea card, edimax usb wifi, main requirements are for video and audio playback any file types including youtube and flash on a 80cm (32 inch) screen which would be better ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu?
[04:18] <Dr_Willis> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver      Fully Supported
[04:18] <Dr_Willis> All these Radeon(HD) cards and derivatives have good 3D acceleration support. This is not an exhaustive list:
[04:18] <Dr_Willis> RV610/RV630                 Radeon HD 2400/2600/2700/4200/4225/4250
[04:18] <Mace268> Is there a way to get nautilus to report MiB,GiB,etc. instead of MB,GB,etc.?
[04:18] <wilee-nilee> cretsiah, choose the one you want there is no better,
[04:18] <Dr_Willis> Requires Ubuntu >= 12.10 or updated package
[04:19] <stevecoh1> Yes, I saw that page and my driver is listed as fully supported.  Yet, I still have this problem.
[04:19] <gregubuntu> Hello. I am a newbie to ubuntu. I was using the Terminal to update repositories and seem to have a problem. Anyone able to assist please?
[04:19] <wilee-nilee> !details | gregubuntu
[04:20] <Dr_Willis> stevecoh1:  if your upgrade screwed up - a clean install may fix the issue. the latest live cd;s should also work at full speed with that chipset. since they use the open sourced drivers by default
[04:20] <Dr_Willis> fixing  a goofed upgrade often takes much longer then a clean install does.
[04:21] <cretsiah> how heavy on ram is kubuntu?
[04:21] <reisio> cretsiah: how much ram you got?
[04:21] <cretsiah> 2gig
[04:21] <stevecoh1> Yes, you recommended that about half an hour ago and I tried the live CD run.  It wasn't any better.  Terrible peformance.  5 seconds or so for keystroke to appear in unity wingow.  Yet, when I get an application launched like this XChat one, there's no problem at all.
[04:21] <reisio> cretsiah: more than enough
[04:21] <Dr_Willis> stevecoh1:  that points to a bug in the drivers in the kernel/distro then.
[04:22] <stevecoh1> which leaves me in the soup.
[04:23] <Dr_Willis> what release did you test?
[04:23] <stevecoh1> So what do I do?  I am beginning to be convinced that any driver stuff will be a waste of my time.  So if I do a clean install, what would be the best option given my hardware?  I've been a happy Ubuntu user for those six years, now, not so much.
[04:24] <wilee-nilee> gregubuntu, We assist stated issue's.
[04:24] <gregubuntu> 12.04 lts. Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: resource temporarily unavailable) Unable to lock admin directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is anpther process using it?
[04:24] <flynn_> stevecoh1: imo try lubuntu
[04:24] <stevecoh1> what other distro?  Kubuntu, Lubuntu, Mint?
[04:24] <Dr_Willis> stevecoh1:  you could just not use ubuntu/unity and try lubuntu or xubuntu. those dont use the 3d stuff of the video card. so should run better.  theres also the xorg-edgers ppa  for newer versions
[04:25] <Dr_Willis> stevecoh1:  you can install the lubuntu-desktop package now on your ysstme and just try the lubuntu desktop from the login screen
[04:25] <Dr_Willis> thats the easy way to test if the desktop will be fast enough
[04:25] <wilee-nilee> gregubuntu, You have the ubuntu software center open or synaptic while running the terminal, did you stop a upgrade install while running it?
[04:25] <stevecoh1> what's xorg-edgers ppa?
[04:25] <Dr_Willis> stevecoh1:  edgers ppa - has newer versions of X and drivers.
[04:25] <Dr_Willis> wich may or may not help
[04:25] <gregubuntu> yes, I think so
[04:26] <stevecoh1> really, I could install lubuntu desktop on the PRESENT system and be done with all this nonsense?  If that is right, I'll do it in a heartbeat.
[04:26] <wilee-nilee> gregubuntu, "yes, I think so" what?
[04:26] <Dr_Willis> stevecoh1:  err.. yes.. its trivial to have all the desktops installed.. its just more packages on top of the core system
[04:26] <gregubuntu> I think I stopped an upgrade of windows fonts
[04:27] <Dr_Willis> stevecoh1:  i got lubuntu, xubuntu, ubuntu, ubuntu-gnome and kuybuntu all on this netbook
[04:27] <Dr_Willis> just to play with them all
[04:27] <Dr_Willis> i select the desktop from the login screen i want to use
[04:27] <Dr_Willis> sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop    and let it install ;)
[04:28] <wilee-nilee> gregubuntu, Ah, try sudo dpkg --configure -a  then sudo apt-get -f install if you still get a an error a reboot will probably work
[04:29] <wilee-nilee> gregubuntu, Just have the terminal open no other installers.
[04:29] <stevecoh1> so sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop?
[04:29] <Dr_Willis> sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop    and let it install ;)
[04:29] <Dr_Willis> thats for lxde  - the lightest desktop
[04:29] <Dr_Willis> im using it now on my netbook
[04:30] <Dr_Willis> lighter still would be to just use a window manager + whatever apps you need ;)
[04:31] <gregubuntu> ok just tried. Result. dpkg error. dpkg staus database is locked by another process.
[04:31] <stevecoh1> here we go!  So how will it work?  There will be two desktops installed.  How will I choose one or the other?  Or does installing one disable the other?
[04:32] <Dr_Willis> i select the desktop from the login screen i want to use
[04:32] <Dr_Willis> look for the gear icon
[04:33] <stevecoh1> OH, that's what someone was trying to tell me before.  But I had no such icon because there was only one option.
[04:33] <wilee-nilee> gregubuntu, I would just kill it with a reboot then run the sudo apt-get -f install to finish it on the reboot, then remove whetever you were trying to avoid, don;t stop stuff from the terminal.
[04:33] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu has this sort of thing by defult.. unlike windows where you have to be a rocket-surgen to change the desktop
[04:33] <stevecoh1> they left out the important step of installing another desktop first.
[04:33] <Dr_Willis> i must have like 14 entries in my X sessions gear icon menu
[04:34] <stevecoh1> wow
[04:34] <Dr_Willis> having more then 1 desktop installed has been a feature of linux for.. well.. ever..
[04:34] <gregubuntu> wilee. Just tried again and seems to have worked. Thanks.
[04:34] <stevecoh1> I've never used it, never cared that much until now, when the default was unusable on my equipment
[04:35] <wilee-nilee> gregubuntu, cool run a update and upgrade to make sure you don't have any broken packages
[04:35] <stevecoh1> If this works, my hat is off to you bigtime.
[04:35] <stevecoh1> Probably time to buy a newer computer but for now, this is okay.
[04:35] <Dr_Willis> stevecoh1:  you never said you wanted a differnt desktop earlier. ;) so  we dident say anything.
[04:36] <Dr_Willis> ive seen people get all mad at us when we suggest 'alternatives' ;)
[04:36] <stevecoh1> I didn't want a DIFFERENT desktop, I wanted a USABLE desktop,, and didn't care how I got it.
[04:36] <wilee-nilee> or just about any other subject, lol
[04:36] <gregubuntu> Just did that and all seems good. Thanks again wilee
[04:37] <wilee-nilee> gregubuntu, No problem, enjoy.
[04:37] <Dr_Willis> i always install lubuntu desktop, and jwm as backup window manager.desktops on every system
[04:37] <stevecoh1> OK, I got it installed now.  So just log out and come back into it?
[04:38] <Dr_Willis> you might need to restart lightdm. not sure. but a logout may be enough
[04:38] <stevecoh1> ok, will let you know.
[04:38] <sholem> any comments on the best open source webmail clients ?
[04:39] <sholem> squirrel mail ?
[04:39] <sholem> roundcube ?
[04:39] <Dr_Willis> !best
[04:39] <sholem> why the fuck would i need to be in here, yo ?
[04:39] <sholem> other than to get my question answered by humans ?
[04:39] <wilee-nilee> !language | sholem
[04:39] <Dr_Willis> thats one way to get ignored i guess...
[04:40] <wilee-nilee> always works here
[04:40] <Dr_Willis> hotmail is best.. we all know that.
[04:40] <sholem> who cares ? you're obviously not answering my question anyway, and just telling me what to ask
[04:40] <sholem> whoa, person with no information gonna ignore me
[04:40] <sholem> dipshit
[04:41] <Dr_Willis> you asked for comments.. not what one was best..
[04:41] <wylde> !coc | sholem
[04:41] <marchtemp> What pdf editors can I use to put an image of my signature in a document?
[04:41] <wilee-nilee> It's not hard to see right away who is going to be problematic, and a waste to enable
[04:42] <stevecoh1> well, lubuntu performs well.  It's not as full-featured as what I had back in Ubuntu 10.4
[04:42] <Dr_Willis> stevecoh1:  thats what makes it 'light' ;)
[04:42] <Dr_Willis> xubuntu is the next step up in weight/features
[04:42] <stevecoh1> Are there other desktops that sit somewhere between lubuntu and Unity?
[04:42] <topper4125> sholem www.mutt.org -- first line of the website explains everything you need to know about email clients.
[04:43] <stevecoh1> is there an xubuntu-desktop?
[04:43] <Dr_Willis> yes
[04:43] <Dr_Willis> and a kubuntu-desktop and a ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[04:43] <jrib> marchtemp: you can just use gimp
[04:43] <Dr_Willis> and perhaps more i cant rember
[04:43] <stevecoh1> Well I have lots of space on my harddrive.
[04:44] <topper4125> you can download xubuntu desktop or just xfce desktop (Xubuntu desktop includes all the apps that come with the distro, xfce is just the DE)
[04:44] <sam113101> how do I set the primary monitor?
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> !pdf | marchtemp
[04:44] <sam113101> !primary_monitor | sam113101
[04:45] <marchtemp> lotuspsychje: Those are viewers, and they don't really support editing.
[04:46] <stevecoh1> different strokes for different folks, or different computer ages I suppose.
[04:47] <topper4125> marchtemp are you trying to add your signature to an existing pdf, or a document you are creating and want to save *as* pdf?
[04:48] <marchtemp> topper4125: Existing pdf.
[04:49] <topper4125> did you look at pdfedit?
[04:50] <topper4125> marchtemp take a look at: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/open-source-linux-pdf-writer.html
[04:50] <reisio> I'd use Inkscape
[04:52] <marchtemp> topper4125: I think Adobe Reader can add an extra layer with a signature, but I don't want to install it.
[04:53] <K_user> Hello! i'm running Ubuntu Live USB now and i can't see my HDD in filemanager. Tell me how to get access to the hard drives? I do not see them in the manager. Thanks
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> marchtemp: foxreader got a linux desktop installer
[04:54] <Dr_Willis> i thought foxit reader dropped linux support.. or am i getting names confused
[04:54] <lotuspsychje> Dr_Willis: http://www.foxitsoftware.com/downloads/
[04:54] <Dr_Willis> K_user:  try mounting the drives by hand.
[04:54] <topper4125> scroll down the article a little farther... talks about pdfedit, shows screenshots... no need to install adobe.
[04:55] <Dr_Willis> lotuspsychje:  how recent is it?   i recall using that app a few years back
[04:55] <K_user> Dr_Willis please teach me, how? I'm starter user
[04:55] <marchtemp> lotuspsychje: I meant it's proprietary, and made by Adobe
[04:55] <Dr_Willis> !mount | K_user
[04:55] <lotuspsychje> Dr_Willis: never used it on ubuntu, on windows is kinda proffessional
[04:56] <K_user> i wrote !mount. He wrote Event not found...
[04:57] <grimeton> K_user: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount
[04:57] <grimeton> why is everybody switching to https lately
[04:57] <grimeton> i don't get it
[04:58] <marchtemp> lotuspsychje: I wonder what you mean by professional.
[04:58] <Dr_Willis> !mount | K_user
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> marchtemp: well more options and such
[04:59] <Heretic718> Evening. Total Linux/Ubuntu noob, making good progress and figuring things out. So far so good, but if I hit a snag I guess you're the support?
[04:59] <K_user> yes. i see the link. as wrote on webpage, I wrote in Terminal: sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt and he wrote "special device" not found.... i'm starter user.... sorry for my questions)
[05:00] <grimeton> K_user: run ls /dev/sd*
[05:00] <grimeton> K_user: and check what the command shows you
[05:00] <Dr_Willis> K_user:  are you sure its sda1?   'sudo blkid' will also show all devices
[05:00] <marchtemp> lotuspsychje: I thought of Lotus Notes, because of your nick :)
[05:01] <Dr_Willis> K_user:  every device/filesystem has its own  /dev/sdXX name
[05:01] <K_user> i wrote: ls /dev/sda and "dev/sda" in Terminal ie yellow color (i have 2 HDD, 1st is A)
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> marchtemp: :p
[05:02] <K_user> "dev sda " became yellow color.
[05:02] <Dr_Willis> he said to use   ls /dev/sd*         K_user
[05:02] <Dr_Willis> that would list ALL  sd devices
[05:02] <Dr_Willis> K_user:  sudo blkid should list all devices also
[05:02] <K_user> Dr_Willis Result: /dev/sda  /dev/sdb  /dev/sdc  /dev/sdc1
[05:03] <Dr_Willis> K_user:  so try mounting those.. looks like 'sdc1' is the only real partion
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> marchtemp: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1083627.html
[05:03] <K_user> yes. i have 2 hdd. 1st HDD is alive. yes i'll try
[05:04] <Dr_Willis> your output shows 4 hard drives.. but they could be optical disks. or flash drives also.
[05:05] <K_user> after running command, he wrote me that SDC1 for cdrom used.
[05:06] <Dr_Willis> you may want to pastebin the exact command you used and the exact output
[05:06] <Heretic718> I'm also looking for my second HDD. My "sudo blkid" results are as follows:   /dev/sda1: UUID="50f0daa5-d0f3-46c0-b7b3-482c46c96a7f" TYPE="ext4"
[05:06] <Heretic718> /dev/sda5: UUID="a2b67431-e6d4-4285-99ec-230aa1fbb204" TYPE="swap"
[05:06] <Heretic718> /dev/sdb1: SEC_TYPE="msdos" LABEL="DellUtility" UUID="07D6-0616" TYPE="vfat"
[05:06] <Heretic718> /dev/sdb2: UUID="06848843848836E9" TYPE="ntfs"
[05:06] <Heretic718> /dev/sdb3: LABEL="DellRestore" TYPE="vfat"
[05:06] <Heretic718> will@will-Aurora:~$
[05:07] <FloodBot1> Heretic718: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:07] <Dr_Willis> !pastebin
[05:07] <Dr_Willis> you got 2 hds.. sda  and sdb   Heretic718 ....
[05:07] <hitsujiTMO> Heretic718: /dev/sda is your first hdd, /dev/sdb is your second
[05:07] <Heretic718> It's a mostly salvaged machine
[05:08] <Dr_Willis> so you got a windows hd on sdb it looks likle.
[05:08] <K_user> when i try mount other disk he wrote unknow file system Nvidia_raid_member
[05:09] <hitsujiTMO> k_user then you need to mount the raid partitions, not the devices directly
[05:10] <Heretic718> Yeah, I pulled it out of an old dell someone had tossed. Would it be possible to format it for Linux use?
[05:10] <K_user> please tell me where i can find already mount disks?
[05:10] <wilee-nilee> K_user media
[05:10] <Dr_Willis> K_user The mount command shows where filesystems are mounted at.. normally /media/
[05:10] <K_user> Thanks
[05:11] <Dr_Willis> Heretic718:  its your disks. ;) you can delte/reformat them if you want.
[05:11] <Dr_Willis> Heretic718:  it does have what looks like a useable dell hd/recovery partion
[05:11] <cattie> hi all
[05:11] <lotuspsychje> cattie: welcome what can we do for you?
[05:11] <hitsujiTMO> k_user look under /dev/mapper/nvidia*
 when I perform : sudo apt-get install python-software-properties    , then ubuntu said : cannot find package python-software-properties
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> !info python-software-properties
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> cattie: wich ubuntu version are you on?
[05:13] <cattie> 10.10
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> !eol | cattie
[05:13] <Dr_Willis> !10.10
[05:14] <mrpanda> :)
[05:14] <Heretic718> How would I go about reformatting the second drive? I don
[05:14] <Dr_Willis> Heretic718:  gparted is normally used for that task
[05:14] <Heretic718> 't know if a dell recovery partition is something I could use
[05:14] <lotuspsychje> cattie: we reccomend you to install an ubuntu version from 'topic'
[05:14] <wilee-nilee> Heretic718, use gparted
[05:14] <Heretic718> Thanks guys.
[05:14] <Dr_Willis> Heretic718:  see if the 2nd hd boots? :) unless you dont want windows at all on the box..
[05:14] <marchtemp> lotuspsychje: Thanks.
[05:15] <wilee-nilee> mmmm free viri
[05:15] <lotuspsychje> wilee-nilee: lol
[05:15] <Dr_Willis> unless he boots the recovey partion and reinstgalls the os.
[05:15] <RJ45> hi, I'm currently using Xubuntu 12.04, I'd ask in #xubuntu, but I already did to no avail, want I want is my screenshots to be automatically named after the window capture, instead of just a timestamp (just like how it was in Ubuntu 10.04), any help?
[05:15] <Dr_Willis> of course that hd might not go with the pc. ;)
[05:15] <Dr_Willis> or it could have windows95 for all wee know
[05:15] <wilee-nilee> all true
[05:15] <swordsmanz> who loves nekos ?
[05:16] <RJ45> I have installed gnome-screenshot in Xubuntu.
[05:16] <Heretic718> I couldn't boot off it alone
[05:16] <swordsmanz> we have an awesome new free node chan just for neko loving and geekery
[05:16] <RJ45> but it just names all screenshots as a timestamp.
[05:16] <swordsmanz> its called ##neko
[05:17] <Heretic718> This is a special case computer. It's an alienware I found in the trash in a building where I work.
[05:17] <cattie> lotuspsychje: Thanks.   You mean the command : sudo apt-get install python-software-properties   is not working on 10.10 ?
[05:17] <hitsujiTMO> !ot | swordsmanz please refrain form advertising in the channel
[05:18] <Heretic718> No HDD, so no affordable windows
[05:18] <Heretic718> and screw buying it
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> cattie: it means for your ubuntu version, there will be no fiurther updates
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> Heretic718:  so if its just some random hd you got. then that recovery partion is not for that pc. ;) so it will be useless
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> if so - then use gparted to partion it how you want. :)
[05:20] <Heretic718> Dr_Willis: Excellent. Then formatting we go.
 I want to install Java runtime & JDK,  how can I do ?
[05:21] <lotuspsychje> cattie: we cant help you on your current version of ubuntu
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> cattie: the software you will install on eol, might be unsafe for you
[05:23] <sgp667> I don't know if this is the right channel for that but I have a shell script that I am running through Startup Applications but it is not executed completly only first command is executed. The script is very simple shebang command1 & command2
[05:24] <Dr_Willis> plus all the servers for that old of an release have moved to the EOL serrvers.. as mentioned ion the !EOL afactoid
 Thanks. Can I perform  few  command to upgrade to your suggestion version ?
[05:24] <Dr_Willis> spaceout:  whats the 2 commands?
[05:24] <Dr_Willis> spaceout:  and you got them on the same line?
[05:24] <Dr_Willis> cattie:  upgrdeing that old a release will take some time.
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> cattie: choose an ubuntu version from topic, and it might be reccomended to clean install it
[05:24] <Dr_Willis> and quite a bit of downloads
[05:25] <sgp667> conky -c configfile and second is the same it just points to different config file
[05:26] <Dr_Willis> sgp667:  the conky faq mentions making a script file and putting it in ~/.config/autostart/    and having the script first command be somthing like 'sleep 20'   then the conky commands . that way the desktop is loaded.
[05:26] <Dr_Willis> sgp667:  its possible conky is running them both. but they are hiding under the desktop window
[05:27] <sgp667> Dr_Willis: I well I know that only one loads through $top, but I guess I will try to use sleep and if that doesn't work I'll consult faq, thanks Dr_Willis
[05:28] <Dr_Willis> pastebinit conky-startup.sh
[05:28] <Dr_Willis> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6304531/
[05:28] <Dr_Willis> the faq says to use sleep ;)
[05:28] <Dr_Willis> because if conky starts befor the nautiuls takes over the desktop. conky can appear under the desktop
[05:29] <Dr_Willis> sgp667:  check out the 'conky manager' tool also at the webupd8 or omgubuntu blog sites.. its a nifty tool
 But Topic server version is 10.04 which is older than my server version 10.10 ,  is 10.04 also EOL ?
[05:30] <Dr_Willis> 10.04 is a lts release cattie  so its still supported
[05:30] <Dr_Willis> !lts
[05:30] <Dr_Willis> !10.04
[05:30] <Dr_Willis> or was it.. i forget. ;)
[05:30] <sgp667> Dr_Willis: I definitely will I appreciate your tips :)
[05:31] <Dr_Willis> LTS is supported for a longer time..       non lts - is s short term support  period
[05:31] <sam113101> test
[05:31] <Dr_Willis> !test
[05:38]  * topper4125 is sending random words to ubottu, and found this:
[05:38] <topper4125> !life
[05:38] <fran_ozzy> what is the different between server and desktop, i have ubuntu 10.04 desktop because is the only distro who work
[05:39] <fran_ozzy> in my pc , sorry for my english
[05:39] <Dr_Willis> fran_ozzy:  the default packages installed
 Thasnk, so which server version would you recommand ?
[05:39] <Dr_Willis> server does not have the desktio gui
[05:39] <Dr_Willis> cattie:  why do you need a server version at all? what are you wanting to do with the pc
[05:39] <ankurk> Hey guys, I am not able to restart Apache on my server. Here's my conf file, http://apaste.info/3irD. Error says. invalid command lock file on line 85
[05:39] <Dr_Willis> cattie:  it boils down to 'use the lts release' or 'use the latest release'  for the most part.
[05:40] <ankurk> what might be the issue?
[05:40] <topper4125> cattie, 12.04 will have support until the year 2017... its LTS, so If you are looking for something that has stability and long life... that's the one I would go with (just my opinion... mileage may very)
[05:44] <Ari-Yang> cattie: though stuff may be old and stale on 12.04 like python/ruby etc. though you could always look for a ppa that has updated stuff or compile yourself
[05:45] <siloxid> with gimp on ubuntu 13.04 I have to click on my window title and move the mouse over the menus every single time I want the menus to appear.  how do I keep the menus showing? this is a very frustating UE
[05:48] <Dr_Willis> selecting the window and mouseing up dosent let the menus appear? just selecting the title?
[05:48] <Dr_Willis> sounds almost like a weird bug
[05:49] <siloxid> with most apps it works that way, but not with gimp
[05:49] <Dr_Willis> there is a way to disable the globalmenu on a per app basis
[05:50] <siloxid> disable it hiding?
[05:50] <Dr_Willis> env UBUNTU_MENUPROXY=  command
[05:51] <Dr_Willis>  env UBUNTU_MENUPROXY= gimp
[05:51] <siloxid> that works, thanks!
[05:51] <Dr_Willis> menus are in the gimp windows then
[05:51] <Dr_Willis> theres ppa;s of the new gimp that have gimp-one-window option where everything is in one window also
[05:52] <Dr_Willis> oh wait. thats in the 13.10 gimp allready. ;) just foiund it
[05:52] <siloxid> oh, I spoke too soon  :(
[05:54] <topper4125> Gimp 2.8 and higher have the single window option... They got a nice donation from me when they added that feature... (now just needs an easy way to change icon sets in the toolbars)
[05:54] <Dr_Willis> gimp is impressive once you realize how small the developer base is. ;)  i think i saw where its just a few people. under 5
[05:54] <kieppie1> howdy
[05:54] <Dr_Willis> but that was a year or 2 ago
[05:54] <topper4125> 3 people last I heard
[05:55] <Lazue> i was thinking about buying a new macbook pro - are these fairly easy to install ubuntu to as i would on desktop pc (boot from dvd and install)
[05:55] <kieppie1> got a new laptop with a multitouch touchscreen
[05:55] <kieppie1> any support & how do I test?
[05:55] <Dr_Willis> Lazue:  why would you spend extra money for mac hardwaer. just to use ubuntu on it - when normal pc laptops would be much cheaper
[05:56] <Lazue> Dr_Willis: I like the build quality of the machines, don't want something all plastic
[05:56] <Dr_Willis> i am constantly seeing people in here with issues with macs
[05:56] <Lazue> every pc laptop i've seen now that i like have these tablet removable laptops which i do not want
[05:56] <Lazue> monitor i mean
[05:56] <Dr_Willis> I really have to wonder at the 'apple builds better hardware' mantra is true .  There are quality laptops out there with ubuntu preinstalled also.
[05:57] <Dr_Willis> system76 perhaps?
[05:57] <siloxid> Dr_Willis: have you seen any with a retinal display?
[05:57] <Lazue> do they ship outside of america?
[05:57] <Dr_Willis> siloxid:  im using a netbook. I dont worry about displays. ;)
[05:57] <Heretic718> My girlfriend has had the same Macbook pro for five years now, it's still holding strong though she abuses the thing.
[05:58] <siloxid> Dr_Willis: I'm eagerly waiting for the 13" samsung ATIV book 9 plus to get ubuntu support... it's $1300 and has a 3200x1800 pixel display
[05:58] <irenicus09> siloxid: wow :S
[05:58] <Dr_Willis> I find it hard to justify $1000+ for a pc any more.
[05:58] <Dr_Willis> i find it hard to justify more then $400 really for my needs
[05:59] <Heretic718> Hell man, I frankenstein em' from the trash and through Amazon.
[05:59] <Heretic718> I actually salvaged a 2006 Macbook thats running fine after a new battery.
[06:00] <Heretic718> the things have some staying power
[06:00] <Dr_Willis> i gave my big monster laptop to my brother for his teenager to use. ;) it was to big and heavy for me to carry.  But all i do is IRC and watch videos on this netbook these days
[06:01]  * topper4125 loves my netbook: Acer AspireOne
[06:01] <siloxid> my last laptop was $600 a year and a half ago and I keep seeing $1500 machines with a slower processor than it has  :)
[06:01] <Dr_Willis> EEEpc here right now. wife has the Pink Aone. ;)
[06:01]  * irenicus09 feels like he needs a netbook :[
[06:01] <siloxid> it's a samsung and runs ubuntu like a champ but doesn't like the latest five kernels
[06:02] <siloxid> I really should file a bug
[06:02] <Heretic718> I had a great HP mini that didnt die until the woman broke the screen
[06:02] <irenicus09> Heretic718: always woman to blame hahaha
[06:02] <Dr_Willis> i would like somting netbooksize only with a 1080p display. wesonth doswent like this  small netbook screen. ;) i cant get to all the buttons
[06:02] <ablaux> dien dobri
[06:03] <ablaux> hello, any one alive?
[06:03] <siloxid> I can't use my netbook with iceweasel.  it feels too cramped
[06:03] <sanko> hello
[06:03] <ablaux> o sanko
[06:04] <siloxid> hence my searching for a retinal display
[06:04] <ablaux> how do u do? :)
[06:05] <topper4125> The AAO I'm on now, is the D275, my old one (still running.. the kid uses it) is the KAV60, if I hook the old one up to an external monitor, it'll do a huge dimension size... this one only does 1024x768 on external though :(
[06:05] <Heretic718> Irenicus09: I wish it was the dog! At least he would be apologetic haha
[06:06] <irenicus09> lol @Heretic718
[06:06] <topper4125> the new acer netbooks are 11" screens... thinking they have HDMI out and maybe 1080p on them... not *real* sure on the 1080p
[06:07] <Xirre> Current Directory: Home. Command: zip backup/files/backup1.zip files/file1.txt files/configurations/config.log would this throw in file1.txt and config.log in the backup1.zip folder?
[06:08] <fulei> who can tell me the function of  filesystem.squashfs in ubuntu13.10 ISO /install/
[06:10] <Dr_Willis> high res display dosent do me a lot of good when i crank up the font sizes anyway to see things better. ;)
[06:11] <Pyro_Killer> Dr_Willis: I am 100% on that one, 1080p on 15.6 i can't read font that is 10px in size
[06:11] <Pyro_Killer> or i can, but i have to really focus
[06:12] <topper4125> CTRL-+ is my most used FireFox command
[06:12] <hellyeah> ubuntu sucks
[06:12] <Dr_Willis> oh for the old days of my amiga when 680x480 was big.. and had flickery interlaced displays on a crt. ;)
[06:12] <thatguy001> i'm trying to boot ubuntu 12.04 off of a live usb and download boot-repair but i get pycurl.error(6
[06:12] <siloxid> Pyro_Killer: weird.  I have a retinal macbook pro at work and I can read fonts that are 3 sizes smaller because they are so much sharper
[06:12] <Heretic718> A brilliant argument.
[06:12] <Dr_Willis> hellyeah:  demand a refund.. have a nice day.
[06:12] <hellyeah> when i got error from ubuntu 13.04 it aske me to upgrade ubuntu 13.10 wyh
[06:13] <hellyeah> wth?
[06:13] <Dr_Willis> perhaps state the problem in a more clear syntax hellyeah  and less ranting.
[06:13] <topper4125> Not sure you have to really demand one... a simple request is sufficient.
[06:13] <hellyeah> hmm
[06:14] <sgp667> hey I am trying to run a shell script through startup applications but it only executes the first command, on the other hand when I run that script by clicking on it everything runs perfectly
[06:14] <Dr_Willis> sgp667:  pastebin the while script
[06:14] <Dr_Willis> shole
[06:14] <hellyeah> okey i still got the bug warning from ubuntu 13.04. is 13.10 stable? wonder about that
[06:14] <Dr_Willis> whole ;P
[06:14] <Dr_Willis> hellyeah:  13.10 is the current release. came out a few weeks ago.
[06:14] <hellyeah> hmm ubuntu asked me about upgrading yesterday
[06:15] <Dr_Willis> 14.04 lts release will come out in like 6 months
[06:15] <wylde> 13.10 has been working fine here.
[06:15] <Heretic718> 13.10 is great here.
[06:15] <hellyeah> wonder why at the time 13.04 has still bugs, you release new version.
[06:15]  * topper4125 only runs LTS to LTS
[06:15] <Heretic718> I have no idea what I'm doing and everything.
[06:15] <sgp667> Dr_Willis: http://pastebin.com/XUxmJ3np
[06:15] <Heretic718> And it's still not on fire.
[06:16] <siloxid> hellyeah: all software has bugs
[06:16] <wylde> sgp667, you're shebang #1 ?
[06:16] <wylde> your*
[06:16] <wylde> #!
[06:16]  * topper4125 wonders why Vista still have service updates... that was 2 OS's ago... and no one used it
[06:16] <sgp667> wylde: ups...
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> ;)
[06:17] <sgp667> wylde: on the other hand it worked already
[06:17] <socialcoder> my ubuntu wont load
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> # was used as a comment perhaps
[06:17] <wylde> sgp667, was just the first thing I noticed
[06:17] <socialcoder> I am getting ubunto failed to load error after I installed and uninstalled cinnamon
[06:17] <socialcoder> can someone help please?
[06:17] <hellyeah> hmm
[06:18] <Heretic718> Did anyone's computer run more quietly after a Ubuntu install?
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> socialcoder:  done a 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop' perhaps?
[06:18] <sgp667> wylde: anyway let me reboot my compute to see if it works now
[06:18] <Heretic718> THis thing used to sound like a freight train.
[06:18] <siloxid> Heretic718: all the noise on my machine is from the gpu, but it's never run anything else  :D
[06:18] <socialcoder> I did sudo apt-get update
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> Heretic718:  with the right video card /powr saveing stuff.. the fans can be slowed down
[06:18] <wylde> sgp667, also it may have ignored the shebang running manually if your shell is bash. A startup script I presume relies on it.
[06:18] <socialcoder> sudo apt-get install unity
[06:18] <topper4125> my fans rarely kick into 'second gear' on this machine Heretic718
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> socialcoder:  unity is not the same as 'ubuntu-desktop'
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> socialcoder:  its possible you removed extra stuff
[06:19] <socialcoder> I am sorry, very brand new to linux world
[06:19] <socialcoder> 2 days old
[06:19] <wylde> my upgrade from 13.04 to 13.10 actually fixed a sound issue o.O
[06:19] <socialcoder> well, I did what u said
[06:19] <Heretic718> It's running cooler too. I'm thoroughly impressed with Linux.
[06:19] <socialcoder> it says ubuntu desktop is the newset version
[06:20] <siloxid> which display manager is the default on ubuntu 13.04?  gdm, lightdm or something else?
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> siloxid:  lightdm has been the default for some time now
[06:20] <wylde> siloxid, lightdm
[06:20] <topper4125> !yay | Heretic718
[06:20] <thatguy001> how can I successfully install boot repair so that I can boot ubuntu 12.07 off of a UEFI
[06:20] <thatguy001> ?
[06:20] <socialcoder> Dr_Willis
[06:20] <socialcoder> what do I do
[06:20] <thatguy001> 12.04**
[06:21] <sgp667> wylde: so after correcting shebang I am getting same result :(
[06:21] <wylde> sgp667, check the logs for error messages?
[06:22] <sgp667> wylde: linux is still new to me, where would I access them?
[06:22] <wylde> sgp667, /var/log
[06:24] <gordonjcp> sgp667: looking at your script, line 3 is probably wrong
[06:24] <wylde> sgp667, doh! the .
[06:24] <wylde> ./home
[06:25] <gordonjcp> sgp667: yup, you probably mean /home and not ./home ;-)
[06:25] <sgp667> gordonjcp, what?? i thought that you always need the . when using cd
[06:25] <gordonjcp> sgp667: no
[06:25] <Dr_Willis> seems weird that script works at all
[06:25] <gordonjcp> sgp667: dot at the start of a path means "this directory"
[06:25] <gordonjcp> Dr_Willis: yeah
[06:25] <sgp667> gordonjcp: wow
[06:25] <gordonjcp> sgp667: in some directory with not much stuff in it, do "ls -a"
[06:25] <gordonjcp> sgp667: see how at the top, you've got "." and ".." ?
[06:25] <Dr_Willis> sgp667:  see if you got a config file in your /home/username  its actually useing
[06:26] <gordonjcp> sgp667: "." means "this directory" and ".." means "the parent directory"
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> that cd command would fail i think..    so it mightbe running the config from a differnt place
[06:27] <wylde> I bet there's a .conkyrc in ~
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> or you could use conky -c /home/yourusername/whatever/thenameof-the-config-file  &
[06:27] <LordHeretic718> Is there a direct command to the workpage switcher?
[06:27] <LordHeretic718> Like a ctrl+V type thing
[06:27] <Anurag> hello any one there for help me over ubuntu
[06:27] <sgp667> gordonjcp right so you are saying that because I am starting with home/ there is not need for ".", is that correct?
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> LordHeretic718:  press and hold the super key to see a list of shortcuts
[06:27] <gordonjcp> sgp667: correct
[06:28] <gordonjcp> sgp667: the dot means "start from here"
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> sgp667:  ./means a relative path..
[06:28] <gordonjcp> which is definitely not what you want
[06:28] <LordHeretic718> Sorry to be a three day Linux user, but whats a super key?
[06:28] <sgp667>  ok noted
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> LordHeretic718:  the windows key on some keybpoards
[06:28] <wylde> LordHeretic718, "windows" key
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> !manual  | LordHeretic718
[06:29] <Anurag> hey any one there
[06:29] <cybearg> Hey. Hopefully someone's available to help me out. I'm new with Ubuntu and I have a pretty major problem.
[06:29] <SwedeMike> !anyone | Anurag
[06:29] <wylde> Anurag, ask the question you want the answer to :)
[06:29] <Dr_Willis> !ask
[06:29] <gordonjcp> !anyone | cybearg
[06:30] <sgp667> gordonjcp Dr-Willis but eve with all of these flaws in the script I am able to get it to run just not at startup, would that suggest an issue with .desktop file or something like that>
[06:30] <siloxid> gordonjcp: someone just typed that
[06:30] <Anurag> i want to install data card in my ubuntu 9.10 so help me out
[06:30] <Ben64> Anurag: 9.10 is ancient and unsupported. you need to get a recent version
[06:30] <cybearg> I disabled my adminstrator's password by unlocking the account and setting password to none. However, apparently now with sudo and other things, I still need a password. I'm not able to unlock and re-enable my original password. How do I re-enable my password or, alternately, what is my "blank" password?
[06:31] <Anurag> so get me supportable version
[06:31] <gordonjcp> sgp667: not necessarily
[06:31] <Dr_Willis> Anurag:  and whats a 'data card' ?
[06:31] <Dr_Willis> !download | Anurag
[06:31] <wylde> cybearg, use sudo
[06:31] <Ben64> Anurag: download and install 12.04 or 13.10 depending on what your needs are
[06:31] <gordonjcp> cybearg: "administrator's password"?  Do you mean root password? There isn't one
[06:31] <cybearg> I can't, wylde, because it requires a password.
[06:31] <Anurag> its usb Internet dongels
[06:31] <gordonjcp> cybearg: you'd use sudo, and your own password
[06:31] <wylde> cybearg, it's your users password
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> Anurag:  you mean a Wifi Network Usb adaptor? or a 3g/4g Cellphone network adaptor?
[06:32] <sgp667> gordonjcp so I will reboot the computer again to see if it will work again
[06:32] <cybearg> Well, all I know is that I went to User Accounts, unlocked it with the password I set when installing Ubuntu, then set it to have no password, but apparently I actually still need it. Neither blank (just hitting enter) nor my old password work to authenticate anything.
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> we need to tell sgp667 he dosent need to reboot... ;)
[06:32] <gordonjcp> cybearg: so you've set your own password to be blank?
[06:33] <tozen> Dr_Willis: too late hi is off
[06:33] <Anurag> actually am faces the problem when am install the software which is given in the dongles
[06:33] <cybearg> Yes. I didn't want to have to continually enter it all the time.
[06:33] <gordonjcp> cybearg: yeah, that's not how you do that ;-)
[06:33] <gordonjcp> !password | cybearg
[06:33] <cybearg> Is there any way to un-do this aside from reinstalling Ubuntu from scratch?
[06:33] <Dr_Willis> Anurag:  its doubtfull that any software that came with  the dongle is up to date with the linux releases
[06:33] <gordonjcp> cybearg: read what ubottu just told you ;-)
[06:33] <Ben64> cybearg: what happens if you open a terminal and type "su - $USER"
[06:34] <Anurag> yes am recently purchase it and the company they said its supported to ubuntu 9.10 but i cant insatll please help me
[06:34] <Dr_Willis> sgp667:  you dont need to reboot.. just log out/back in
[06:34] <cybearg> I get prompted for a password, Ben64
[06:34] <sgp667> gordonjcp, Dr_Willis I am still getting the same result :(
[06:35] <Ben64> cybearg: ok, well that password (for your user) is what you need for sudo
[06:35] <sgp667> Dr-Willis next time I will
[06:35] <Dr_Willis> Anurag:  you need to use a newer version of ubuntu. if that company only supports 9.10 then i wouldent put much faith in that company
[06:35] <Ben64> cybearg: i'd imagine if you had no password that it wouldn't ask for one
[06:35] <cybearg> But it's been removed. Typing my password gets "authentication failure"
[06:35] <cybearg> Because I set it to blank.
[06:35] <Ben64> let me fire up a VM and try what you did
[06:35] <cybearg> But just hitting enter or typing "blank" doesn't work, either.
[06:35] <thatguy001> how do I use gparted to create an EFI partition?
[06:36] <wylde> cybearg, try passwd at terminal hit enter if it asks for the current password
[06:36] <Anurag> okey can you provide me a cd of lateast version at my home address
[06:36] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys when i run rkhunter i got this error, is this normal? Warning: Group 'winbindd_priv' has been added to the group file.
[06:36] <Psil0Cybin> perhaps created in an app
[06:36] <Psil0Cybin> ?
[06:36] <Psil0Cybin> from an app?
[06:36] <Ben64> cybearg: ok, so what exactly did you do
[06:36] <Dr_Willis> Anurag:  go download it.. or buy it in a linux magazine at a book store perhaps
[06:36] <cybearg> wylde, that did it, thank you!
[06:36] <cybearg> Ben64, I set my password to blank by going to User Accounts -> Unlock -> And then disabling the password.
[06:37] <tozen> hi all! gals how can i see an ubottu commands what you use frequentely? i mean <!password | Anurag> as example. thx
[06:37] <wylde> cybearg, don't do it again lol
[06:37] <cybearg> I did it by going to Action -> Log in without a password
[06:37] <Psil0Cybin> if i am not misaken guys i think the winbindd_priv is used by samba?
[06:37] <Anurag> okey and as well as you can provide me tutorial of ubuntu actually i want expert over linux os
[06:37] <Dr_Willis> !brain | tozen
[06:37] <wylde> !bot > tozen
[06:37] <Ben64> cybearg: so you've got it working now?
[06:37] <cybearg> Seemed straightforward enough and it was super-easy to get to the option. I had no idea it would delete my root password while still keeping everything locked.
[06:37] <Dr_Willis> !manual | Anurag
[06:37] <cybearg> Yes, thanks.
[06:37] <Ben64> !yay | cybearg
[06:38] <cybearg> I have another, more complicated issue, though.
[06:38] <wylde> mmmmm botspam
[06:38] <gordonjcp> sgp667: okay
[06:39] <cybearg> I am running this on a Toshiba laptop that I have hooked a second monitor to. I closed the laptop and left it shut so I can just connect through the monitor/external mouse/keyboard. Problem is, when the tablet is shut, actions in Ubuntu cause the screen (the image on the external monitor) to flicker.
[06:39] <gordonjcp> sgp667: talk me through what you're trying to do here
[06:39] <Anurag> thankx but my issue still not resolved so when i install 13.10 version then i can easily install my tata photon usb dongle
[06:39] <cybearg> It may be a driver issue, so how do I download the latest ATI Mobility Radeon drivers for Ubuntu?
[06:39] <gordonjcp> sgp667: why does the script sleep for 20 seconds?
[06:40] <sgp667> gordonjcp advice from conky's faq that's all
[06:40] <Dr_Willis> Anurag:  for all we know the drivers might be included in 13.10
[06:40] <wylde> cybearg, have you tried the "additional drivers" tool?
[06:40] <Anurag> okey thankx for you support
[06:41] <sgp667> gordonjcp for me all that matters is that the two instances of conky start automatically
[06:41] <cybearg> Yes, wylde, but I got nothing from it.
[06:42] <sodomizer> what is required to watch videos from your NTFS partition?
[06:42] <Dr_Willis> sodomizer:  a video player....
[06:42] <sodomizer> the default movie player freezes when I load it
[06:42] <Dr_Willis> try a differnt one then perhaps
[06:42] <wylde> cybearg, ahh alrighty. Best place to start IMHO. However I have 0 experience with ATI video.
[06:42] <thatguy001> anybody?
[06:42] <sodomizer> what do you use?
[06:42] <Dr_Willis> i watch videos from ntfs partions all the time
[06:43] <cybearg> Is there a terminal command I can use to download the latest drivers from somewhere? Or a website I can download them from?
[06:43] <Dr_Willis> sodomizer:  theres several video players in the repos.
[06:43] <Dr_Willis> sodomizer:  try a differnt one
[06:43] <sgp667> gordonjcp provided that it is an issue with Startup Application would it be possible to start conky using cron?
[06:43] <Dr_Willis> !info vlc
[06:43] <cybearg> wylde, opening Additional Drivers just gives me an empty window that says "No proprietary drivers are in use on this system."
[06:43] <sodomizer> thanks
[06:44] <gordonjcp> sgp667: where are you trying to start it from?
[06:44] <Dr_Willis> sgp667:  should i point out that the 'conky-manager' tool can auto-create the scripts and .desktop entry to get conky to auto start at login for you. ;)
[06:44] <sgp667> gordonjcp Zorin 6
[06:44] <wylde> cybearg, yeah. I got that. I have only ever dealt with Intel and nvidia myself.
[06:44] <gordonjcp> sgp667: what?
[06:44] <gordonjcp> what's Zorin 6?
[06:44] <sgp667> Dr-Willis I completlly forgot about it I'll give it a try right now
[06:44] <wylde> Zorin is an ubuntu based distro
[06:45] <sgp667> gordonjcp did you mean what distro I am using?
[06:45] <sgp667> q
[06:45] <topper4125> Zorin is a Ubuntu based distro... lots of eyecandy for the Win-look
[06:45] <gordonjcp> sgp667: no, I meant what are you calling that script from?
[06:45] <topper4125> *and mac look too
[06:46] <phuh> Smuxi or ZNC?
[06:46] <topper4125> it has themes from win95 up to win7 plus OSX built in
[06:46] <topper4125> other than that... standard *buntu stuff included.
[06:46] <gordonjcp> topper4125: each to their own, I suppose
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> sgp667:  all i did was use that tool. then tweaked their configs by hand. ;)
[06:46] <phuh> Anyone? Smuxi or ZNC?
[06:47] <Dr_Willis> phuh:  depends on your needs
[06:47] <Dr_Willis> !info smuxi
[06:47] <wylde> phuh, ask an actual question perhaps?
[06:47] <Dr_Willis> since one is an irc CLIENT - the other is a irc bouncer
[06:47] <thatguy001> can someone please talk to me?
[06:47] <phuh> thatguy001: i'll talk to you
[06:47] <Dr_Willis> any irc client can be set to use ZNC :) thats a main feature of using znc
[06:47] <phuh> !info smuxi
[06:47] <Dr_Willis> !info znc
[06:48] <sgp667> gordonjcp the application that runs shell script is called "Startup Applications Preferences" it was installed with distro, let me try what Dr_Willis said before I bother you with more questions :)
[06:48] <phuh> so znc is definitely more flexible solution?
[06:48] <Dr_Willis> sgp667:  i never use that tool. i make the scripts in ~/.config/autostart/ by hand
[06:48] <thatguy001> phuh do you know how to use gparted to create an EFI partition?
[06:48] <phuh> thatguy001: no
[06:48] <Dr_Willis> phuh:  thats like asking whats better.. a shovel..or a chainsaw..
[06:48] <Dr_Willis> phuh:  they are 2 totally differnt tools
[06:49] <thatguy001> phuh i guess the people who are supposed to be answering questions are busu
[06:49] <thatguy001> busy
[06:49] <phuh> smuxi is not just a client though
[06:49] <cybearg> Okay, I think I found drivers for Linux on ATI's website.
[06:49] <phuh> it has client-server thing
[06:49] <cybearg> But now my question: How do I run a .run package?
[06:49] <phuh> its own debouncer
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  as far as i know. you have a totallyt unpartioned hd.. it will ask.. or check the menus for gparted
[06:50] <phuh> what clients do you guys use then?
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> phuh:  and now you tell us..   compare features and see what does what you want.
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> phuh:  i tend to use weechat often with znc
[06:50] <phuh> oh
[06:50] <phuh> so you are a znc user. that's great to know
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> Im not using it right now, but i have in the past
[06:51] <phuh> why not anymore?
[06:51] <Dr_Willis> weechat has a feature i can connect to it from my android-weechat client ;)
[06:51] <irenicus09> !info irssi
[06:51] <Dr_Willis> but right now im on my netbook with wechat
[06:51] <Dr_Willis> weechat has the best feature set of most any irc client ive seen
[06:51] <irenicus09> yesh my baby :)
[06:51] <phuh> can't you still use znc on the server and just connect from android to it?
[06:52] <wylde> thatguy001, ask your question and give details. If someone knows they'll respond. Ask again periodically, in the meantime you can search http://askubuntu.com for answers.
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> phuh:   i could if i wanted to.
[06:52] <phuh> irenicus09: irssi?
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> I perfer weechat over irssi
[06:52] <irenicus09> phuh: yes
[06:52] <cybearg> Guys? I've downloaded a driver package which is a .zip file containing a .run package. How do I execute the .run package?
[06:52] <irenicus09> weechat is good too if u just want it to work out of the box
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> cybearg:  a driver for what exactly?
[06:53] <phuh> what would be the best irc client on mac?
[06:53] <cybearg> Driver for my ATI card.
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> cybearg: the use of .run driver packages - is most likely not a good idea
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> !ati | cybearg
[06:53]  * topper4125 using irssi
[06:54] <phuh> topper4125: such a hacker
[06:55] <cybearg> I've tried opening the Additional Drivers thing (program? setting?) and it just has nothing in it.
[06:55] <topper4125> <-- minimalist
[06:55] <Dr_Willis> cybearg:  could be your card is no longer supported by the current fglrx drivers.
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> cybearg:  and what is your card?
[06:56] <phuh> i'm very curious. can i get a screenshot of a irc master's desktop?
[06:56] <cybearg> It's a Radeon Mobility 3450/3470
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> phuh:  its a window with this channel in it,. fullscreened
[06:56] <cybearg> Err, Mobility Radeon HD 3450/3470 technically
[06:57] <phuh> hard to imagine for a irc noob.
[06:57] <Dr_Willis> cybearg:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[06:57] <cybearg> Yes, it's supported.
[06:57] <Dr_Willis> phuh:  a screen full of text? hmm
[06:57] <cybearg> SO what do I do now?
[06:57] <phuh> so you just chat full time?
[06:57] <Dr_Willis> cybearg:  determine if it uses the fglrx driver or open sourced..
[06:58] <LordHeretic718> Ok guys, I'm going to bed. Thanks for all of your help and I will be back.
[06:58] <Dr_Willis> cybearg:  that list shows its fully supported by the included open sourced drivers
[06:58] <helmut_> hi
[06:58] <cybearg> Well, I have a problem with screen flickering when things are moving.
[06:58] <topper4125> I wouldn't necessarily call myself a irc master... but here you go: http://s23.postimg.org/6m7d9dc3f/Screenshot_from_2013_10_26_00_57_14.png
[06:59] <cybearg> The reason I wanted to try updating drivers is because my second monitor display flickers horribly whenever something is changing on-screen. For instance, if I drag this chat window, the screen becomes unreadable with flicker.
[06:59] <phuh> topper4125: thanks man i get a better picture now
[06:59] <Dr_Willis> cybearg:  and how old is that video card?
[06:59] <dupin> cybearg: use radeon driver instead of fglrx
[07:00] <cybearg> How do I do that, dupin? And the laptop, and the card, are about 6 years old.
[07:00] <cybearg> It didn't flicker with a second monitor under Windows 7, nor when the laptop was open.
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> cybearg:  i doubt  if the fglrx driver supports that card any longer.
[07:00] <cybearg> But I want the laptop to be closed and to only go through the externam monitor.
[07:00] <sgp667> Dr_Willis gordonjcp conky-manager fixed the issue thanks for help guys
[07:01] <topper4125> back in a bit
[07:01] <cybearg> *external
[07:01] <dupin> cybearg: do not install fglrx driver radeo driver is installed already
[07:01] <phuh> Question to thos5 that are always in this chat room ( including topper412),what sort of job do you have?involved with some ubuntu kernel development?
[07:01] <cybearg> Okay, dupin, but how do I get rid of this flicker?
[07:01] <phuh> Question to thoe5 that are always in this chat room ( including topper4152),what sort of job do you have?involved with some ubuntu kernel development?
[07:02] <dupin> cybearg: don´t know sorry
[07:02]  * topper4125 is a truckdriver, only on here on thursdays and fridays.
[07:02] <phuh> really
[07:02] <topper4125> yup
[07:02] <gordonjcp> topper4125: you don't have HF in the cab?
[07:03] <gordonjcp> topper4125: no, because this is #ubuntu not ##hamradio, disregard :-)
[07:03] <phuh> what made you come to ubuntu channel?
[07:03] <topper4125> I have wifi... but generally only do chats on my 'weekends' for some reason.
[07:04] <cybearg> By the look of it, I only get flicker in 1920x1080p when the laptop's lid is closed. Going down to 1680 x 1050 results in no flicker. The monitor is natively 16:9, though.
[07:04] <topper4125> originally I had a few questions... then got to the point where the few things I know, were helpful to others.
[07:05] <irenicus09> topper4125: u don't like tech jobs? :P
[07:05] <Dr_Willis> not everyone works in a nice clean office. ;)
[07:05] <cybearg> Guess I'll just have to stick with the odd 1680x1050 and deal with the stretching.
[07:06] <topper4125> I used to build desktop systems... back in the days of DOS... but anymore, there's no real money in hardware... so Now I just do custom jobs for friends and family... and have a job that comes with a 'HeckOfAView" and a desk that moves at 75 MPH :P
[07:07]  * Dr_Willis hopes someone is not ircing at 75mph
[07:07] <irenicus09> topper4125: I heard there's a lot of money in your profession lol
[07:07] <Dr_Willis> ;)
[07:07] <irenicus09> dunnno if that's true
[07:07] <cybearg> Well, thanks for the help, guys.
[07:07]  * gordonjcp has IRCed at 70mph, using TTS to read the screen
[07:08] <topper4125> there can be... I've been driving for 17 years... learned a few tricks of the trade, including who to work for and who to avoid
[07:08] <gordonjcp> I can type one-handed qithout looking, but mostly I just use my Morse key
[07:08] <gordonjcp> topper4125: handy
[07:09] <sodomizer> Is wine still the most popular win32 emulator?
[07:09] <irenicus09> when I was a kid I wanted to be a truck driver so  Icould drive around like a boss haha
[07:09] <topper4125> The company I work for now... is great... very small only 20ish drivers... pretty much have to wait till someone dies to get hired, because no one quits... amazing place.
[07:10] <reisio> sodomizer: what else
[07:11] <sodomizer> not sure, sorry for the dumb questions just got ubuntu here last night last time I tried to learn linux I was running mandrake 6.0, man things have gotten sweet
[07:11] <reisio> topper4125: too bad it's impossible to force someone to die
[07:11] <topper4125> ^^ LOL
[07:14] <topper4125> sodomizer wine works from some applications... if you *REALLY* Truly can't do a native app, and you have the storage and processor... Virtualization is the way to go (in my humble opinion)... but I try to avoid both as much as possible.
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> !manual | sodomizer   worth bookmarking
[07:15] <reisio> well, no Wine will always outperform virtualized Windows, if it works
[07:15] <reisio> it's pretty unlikely you'll need it for anything long term, though
[07:15] <sodomizer> thanks!  I have another PC running windows beside this ubuntu comptuer so I don't need to emulate but I like the idea of running some games through wine and see how it works
[07:15] <reisio> great for when you can't be arsed to replace a random .exe you found just at that moment
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> sodomizer:  steam has been ported to linux. ;)
[07:16] <irenicus09> what I never understood is how does wine work if it's not an emulator :S
[07:16] <sodomizer> thanks for the manual
[07:16] <reisio> irenicus09: it is an emulator
[07:16] <irenicus09> Dr_Willis: yay +1 for dota 2
[07:16] <reisio> in the form of a ground-up implementation
[07:16] <sodomizer> warcraft 3 would be the most modern game I would attempt to run
[07:17] <sodomizer> cant stand steam, could be a windows thing though, I work off a fairly limited connection
[07:17] <Dr_Willis> http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#head-c9e6502ad636315e905d07f7e44594757a6738e3 wine faq #3 question  irenicus09
[07:17] <reisio> sodomizer: should run fine via Wine
[07:17] <reisio> steam is kind of annoying, yea :p
[07:18] <topper4125> the majority of games I play use DOSBox... ANSI is art.
[07:18] <irenicus09> if steam can make it through with SteamOS the world of Linux will be changed forever :P
[07:18] <sodomizer> I just install it when I'm with friends and need to game and then uninstall when I go back to my normal life haha
[07:18] <reisio> topper4125: oldbie :p
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> gotta save up my monies for the steam xmas sales. :)   so i can buy more games - i will never play
[07:20] <babinlonston> how can i install latest liber office in ubuntu 12.04 , by not using a PPA Repository .. please help
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> babinlonston:  use source if you refuse to use a ppa
[07:21] <what> hello
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> no idea why you would not want to use a ppa if you need the latest
[07:21] <what> I have a question
[07:21] <what> i was to use cat <filename>
[07:21] <babinlonston> Dr_Willis: do u have the source for liber office and google chrome ?
[07:21] <what> but the filename i am using has spaces in it
[07:21] <topper4125> Here's how old school I am with my DOSBox... the "boot" sequence, all done with batch files, ansi screens, and an old batch utility that says "Beep": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_6PDzEr9zM
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> babinlonston:  why would i need it?
[07:21] <reisio> Guest81987: what: type the beginning, then hit TAB
[07:21] <Guest81987> how do I enter a file as a parameter when it has spaces ?
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> Guest81987:   command 'file with spaces.txt'   is one way
[07:22] <topper4125> slowed it down to a 386/16
[07:22] <babinlonston> Dr_Willis: then why u replying for me :p
[07:22] <wilee-nilee> babinlonston, I see debs on the libreoffice downloads page.
[07:22] <Guest81987> Dr_Willis, default@ubuntu:~$ column -s, -t < /home/csv/Wheat(MGE) Sep01csv | less -#2 -N -S
[07:22] <Guest81987> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
[07:22] <babinlonston> wilee-nilee: oh thanks mate
[07:22] <Guest81987> Dr_Willis, it won't accept the filename
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> babinlonston:  you asked  a question...    if you dont want to use a ppa. use source.. grabing random debs may or may not work
[07:23] <babinlonston> Dr_Willis:  fine
[07:23] <Dr_Willis> Guest81987:  whats the exact command line you are using
[07:23] <Guest81987> column -s, -t < /home/csv/Wheat(MGE) Sep01.csv | less -#2 -N -S
[07:23] <Guest81987> this is
[07:23] <Guest81987> as you see there is a space in the file name
[07:23] <reisio> Guest81987: type Wheat, then hit TAB
[07:24] <wylde> Guest81987, quotes or escape the space
[07:24] <reisio> or put it in quotes like he said
[07:24] <reisio> quotes are better for scripts, TAB completion is simpler for one-offs
[07:26] <wylde> reisio, for my own information, even with tab completion wouldn't the unescaped ( ) break it?
[07:26] <Dr_Willis> you dident even use any quotes. :) that i saw
[07:26] <wylde> reisio, nvm, tab should escape those correct?
[07:26] <reisio> wylde: yeah
[07:27] <reisio> of course depending on what you're doing the ('s _could_ confuse something
[07:27] <reisio> but probably not in this situation
[07:27] <Dr_Willis> i think theres a differance btween single and double quotes in this case also
[07:27] <paramm> Hello. I want to install windows 8.1 and Ubuntu on laptop in dual boot with UEFI, but I cannot make it work (ubuntu or windows only boots from boot loader)
[07:28] <Dr_Willis> like echo '$(foo)'   vs   echo "$(foo)"   :)  the ' quotes the $() also
[07:28] <Dr_Willis> or is that the right term..    prevents the $() from getting parsed
[07:30] <reisio> well it turns it into a string
[07:30] <reisio> as with most languages
[07:30] <topper4125> welp... gotta get to bed... G'nite all!
[07:31] <reisio> but you could use '"'$(foo)'"' or "'"$(foo)"'" if you needed to
[07:31] <wilee-nilee> paramm, This a uefi computer?
[07:33] <paramm> wilee-nilee: yes
[07:33] <wilee-nilee> paramm, What OS is there now?
[07:33] <paramm> wilee-nilee: It is now running windows 8.1 in uefi. Previously had ubuntu in uefi
[07:34] <paramm> But I am planning to reinstall the os and redo partitioning
[07:35] <wilee-nilee> paramm, I would just resize it all done easily or clone it and do the partitioning and reload.
[07:36] <wilee-nilee> paramm, windows installs would be at ##windows
[07:38] <paramm> wilee-nilee: When I had both systems for a brief moment (windows 8.1 upgrade destroyed linux) I had to choose by bios which uefi boot loader will be now used
[07:38] <wilee-nilee> paramm, The 8.1 is a upgrade right? you would have to buy 8.1 otherwise to reinstall it or use the preview
[07:38] <paramm> I have 8 upgraded to 8.1
[07:38] <aadeesh> Hi everyone. Just installed 12.04.3 AMD64 in Lenovo Thinkpad E430. It is dual booted with Windows 7 64bit. The wallpapers are not changing from Appereance settings. Help please.
[07:38] <paramm> 8.1 was released
[07:39] <Dr_Willis> aadeesh:  see if they change with a newly made user yet? its possible some config file or somthing in the problem users home is owned by root.
[07:39] <wilee-nilee> paramm, And if you use the restore you will again have to upgrade it, if restore works now, you have a W8 install media?
[07:40] <paramm> I have Win8 media, I used windows store to upgrade so I will be able to upgrade in the future as it is marked as bought
[07:41] <paramm> wilee-nilee: I will be doing backup images after clean install. Unfortunatelly I am required to have windows 8 instead of windows 7
[07:41] <wilee-nilee> paramm, You would want to address the windows install at ##windows and the ubuntu here I guess.
[07:42] <wilee-nilee> paramm, The windows disc has a manual install option which is nice.
[07:43] <paramm> wilee-nilee:  I know, I never use the automatic one. But my problem is the both systems existing together
[07:43] <aadeesh> Dr_Willis: any commands to check if the user is owned by root? I see my user account type as Administrator in User Accounts settings.
[07:43] <wilee-nilee> paramm, You had it before, and installed both right?
[07:44] <Dr_Willis> aadeesh:  ls -l    shows file ownership
[07:44] <Dr_Willis> aadeesh:  ls -al  shows hidden files
[07:44] <paramm> wilee-nilee: I can have two efi partitions for ubuntu and windows 8 but I need to switch by F12 or by bios options
[07:44] <hellslinger> hi everyone, can anyone give me any advice on how to get xmir to run on unity for 13.10?
[07:44] <wilee-nilee> paramm, Many use the bootrepair app to get the grub boot.
[07:45] <paramm> wilee-nilee: I want to have convinient single boot loader
[07:45] <paramm> wilee-nilee: I used it, but apparently it cannot make grub load windows in uefi
[07:46] <paramm> wilee-nilee: or I am missing something
[07:46] <wilee-nilee> paramm, If it were me I would just resize the W8.1 with its partitioner, and install ubuntu, and use the bootrepair app if needed to get the grub boot. Ubuntu has some specificities depending on the uefi version is all for a brub dual boot.
[07:46] <wilee-nilee> grub*
[07:47] <wilee-nilee> paramm, You might look at this thread regarding installing ubuntu, and the uefi wiki. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147295
[07:48] <wilee-nilee> !uefi | paramm
[07:49] <paramm> Thank you I will read those
[07:50] <aadeesh> Dr_Willis: all files in ~ are owned by user but .. .gvfs .pip?
[07:50] <Dr_Willis> aadeesh:  config files can be in sub dirs also.
[07:51] <Dr_Willis> ls -Ral | grep root    (perhaps) to see if any exist.
[07:51] <Dr_Willis> thaere may be a better command than that
[07:51] <thatguy001> how do I change a the mount point of an external hard drive
[07:51] <thatguy001> ?
[07:51] <Dr_Willis> does a newly made user work fine?
[07:51] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  depends on how its mounting.
[07:52] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  one way - tive the filesystem a proper label. gnome will use that label -> /media/youruser/labelname
[07:52] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  other way. make a fstab entry for it and define exactly where to mount it
[07:52] <thatguy001> how do make an fstan entry?
[07:52] <Dr_Willis> !fstab
[07:53] <utopiah> hi #ubuntu , Im using 13.10 with kernel 3.11.0-12 and since the update to 13.10 I lose the wifi every 10min or so. The ethernet connection is perfectly stable. Also if I hibernate and login again it works. Disabling wifi and trying to reconnect doesnt work.
[07:55] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, I'm tring to work off of a bootable usb drive. I'm not sure If still have all of those option
[07:56] <aadeesh> Dr_Willis: Yes it worked with the new user.
[07:56] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  im not sure what you mean.. fstab is used to mount filesystems.. or nautilus auto mounts..
[07:56] <Ace78> Good Morning I need some help with a ldap problem.
[07:57] <Dr_Willis> aadeesh:  that sort of points to it being a setting issue with the problem user
[07:57] <Dr_Willis> $ ls -Ral | grep root
[07:57] <Dr_Willis> shows any root owned files here. :) or files with the name root.. (oops)
[07:57] <Ace78> It failes to start from init.d but works without any problem when started from console
[07:57] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, I've never used fstab before
[07:57] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  im not clear on what you are trying to do exactly - or how  a bootable usb matters in this case
[07:59] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, I'm trying to install ubuntu on my netbook, but it uses UEFI, so need to create and mount an EFI partition so that the boot-repair can make grub legacy
[07:59] <auronandace> !uefi | thatguy001
[07:59] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, I have the partiton all ready, except for the mount point
[07:59] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  as far as i know the ubuntu installer can make the partions needed.. cant say ive ever noticed a netbook that needed efi. but my netbooks are all at least 2 years old.
[07:59] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, I'm already on that site
[08:00] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  i thought the uefi boot partion dident need a mount point . the installer would see the fat32.fat16 or whatver partion it is.. and put the files there as needed.
[08:00] <thatguy001> An EFI partition can be created via a recent version of GParted (the Gparted version included in the 12.04 disk is OK), and must have the following attributes:
[08:00] <thatguy001> Mount point: /boot/efi (remark: no need to set this mount point when using the manual partitioning, the Ubuntu installer will detect it automatically)
[08:00] <wylde> supposed to be empty I thought
[08:01] <c__> when was 13.01 released?
[08:01] <Dr_Willis> you will have to set the /boot/efi mount point to the EFI partition   ...  that url says....
[08:01] <Dr_Willis> so the mountpoint seems to be /boot/efi
[08:01] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, yes, just need to know how to do that
[08:01] <Dr_Willis> c__:  13.10 = 2013, 10th month
[08:02] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  sudo mount /dev/sdXX /boot/efi
[08:02] <Dr_Willis> !mount
[08:02] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, it's that easy?
[08:02] <Dr_Willis> thats how you mount things...
[08:02] <Dr_Willis> or make a fstab entry if you want a perment entry for your installed system.. but you  dont have an installed system do you?
[08:02] <Dr_Willis> or am i missing somthing
[08:03] <Dr_Willis> you are dual booting this netbook?
[08:04] <c__> Dr_Willis: are the bugs still being worked out?  i'm interested in a stabilized OS.  didn't get that with the last distro
[08:04] <aadeesh> Dr_Willis: There are many results. It shows the files containing root in filename and root owned.
[08:05] <Dr_Willis> aadeesh:  here - i dont have any files in my home that are owned by root
[08:05] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, no. I'm trying to completely replace windows
[08:05] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:   nothing special is required if you use the automatic installer of Ubuntu ("Install Ubuntu alongside others" or "Erase the disk and install Ubuntu")
[08:05] <aadeesh> Out of many only dconf is new to what I added previously.
[08:05] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  site says it should do it all automatically
[08:05] <wylde> c__, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/+bugs have a browse. Search for strings matching your hardware etc. You can evaluate potential problems if you like. :)
[08:05] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, it's saying that the mount point doesn't exist
[08:06] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  so make it?
[08:06] <utopiah> in case somebody had the same problem I have https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1049466/comments/116 seems to be the answer
[08:06] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  mounting 101 - the mount point directory must exist befor you mount. ;)
[08:06] <wilee-nilee> thatguy001, bootrepair has a grub legacy option?
[08:07] <c__> that bot is amazing
[08:07] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  the way i read that guide..if you are using the manual partioning. in the Installer. you assign the efi pation to be /boot/efi
[08:07] <Dr_Willis> you dont mount it befor hand
[08:07] <wylde> that's like "see that not existantant table over there?" put your coffe mug on it. :)
[08:07] <wylde> existent* coffee*
[08:08] <Dr_Willis> an efi partion is fat32. with the boot flag set. size of 100 to 200mb.
[08:08] <wilee-nilee> it's an existential table
[08:08] <Ace78> Anyone for my ldap problem?
[08:08] <aadeesh> Dr_Willis: I'll look over more on the web. Thanks for the pointers.
[08:08] <Dr_Willis> aadeesh:  chown everyting in your users home to be owned by your user.
[08:08] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, You're saying that i just need to configure it to be a fat32 and give it the boot flag and then run boot-repair?
[08:09] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  no idea how boot-repair figures into it.. im just reading that efi install guide.
[08:09] <Dr_Willis> efi partion is a fat32 partion, with boot flag set. size 200mb.
[08:09] <Dr_Willis> it mounts to /boot/efi
[08:09] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, If you do not see a "Separate /boot/efi partition" line, this means that your PC does not have any EFI partition. In this case, exit Boot-Repair, then create an EFI partition (see the "Creating an EFI partition" paragraph above).
[08:10] <Dr_Willis> boot-repair tool seems to have a check box to tellit where the efi partion is
[08:10] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  Sounds like you dont have one.
[08:10] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, no i do not :(
[08:11] <Dr_Willis> if this was a clean install - you might want to just redo the install and tell it to use the whole disjk and it should make one automatically
[08:11] <Dr_Willis> thts how i read the install guide
[08:12] <aadeesh> Dr_willis: Yes did that. Still the same.
[08:12] <aadeesh> I mean I cannot change the wallpaper on problem user.
[08:12] <aadeesh> But files in my home are now owned by user.
[08:13] <Dr_Willis> aadeesh:  what desktop are you using? you done anything weird/differnt with it?
[08:14] <aadeesh> Dr_Willis: Nope no tweaks. Vanilla install. But different partition for / swap /home
[08:14] <sparq> Greetings folks. I'm embarassed to ask, but I can't figure out how to fix my login manager after upgrading to 13.10. All I can find on Google about it are things about cinamon, which isn't installed, and there isn't anything interesting in /var/log/Xorg.0.log or syslog.
[08:15] <Dr_Willis> aadeesh:  hard core way :)   move all your problem users .* files to some backup directory... log out/back in.. desktop should be totally reset.. see if it works
[08:15] <Dr_Willis> sparq:  tell us what its doing.
[08:15] <wilee-nilee> sparq, what is wrong with the login manager?
[08:16] <Araneidae> Hi.  After upgrading to 13.10 my (desktop) computer now shuts down when resuming from suspend.  It seems to suspend ok, but when I poke it to wake up it shuts down.
[08:16] <aadeesh> Dr_Willis: I'll try that.
[08:16] <Araneidae> Haven't spotted anything relevant in the logs
[08:17] <sparq> Well, the login manager authenticates me, and then just bounces back to the login mangaer. Both lightdm and gdm do the same thing. If I turn off the login manger entirely, I can get my session to come up by logging in on the console and running 'startx'
[08:17] <aadeesh> Dr_Willis: That worked! I still wonder why things work after reboot/log out.
[08:18] <doh_> Hey guys, 13.04 here. An update prompt says it needs some more space in /boot but I don't have the slightest idea how to make room on that.. partition I guess
[08:18] <doh_> any suggestions?
[08:18] <sercendil> Hello
[08:18] <reisio> doh_: du -hs /boot/ | sort -h
[08:18] <wilee-nilee> doh_, remove the extra kernels
[08:18] <reisio> doh_: mv things that look old
[08:18] <doh_> what does that do?
[08:18] <reisio> doh_: makes space
[08:18] <doh_> how
[08:18] <reisio> doh_: oh, it shows you what takes up space
[08:18] <reisio> doh_: CTRL+ALT+t
[08:19] <reisio> du -hs /boot/* | sort -h
[08:19] <wylde> sparq, try making a new user and logging in.
[08:19] <reisio> sudo mv -n /boot/foo ~/
[08:19] <reisio> sercendil: hi
[08:20] <sparq> wylde: Yep. Did that. No dice.
[08:20] <Dr_Willis> doh_:  uninstall old kernels you dont need. How big is your boot partion?
[08:20] <wylde> sparq, hrmm. Nothing interesting in the logs you say?
[08:21] <sparq> wylde: The actual session works fine (I'm logged into it now using startx)
[08:21] <doh_> Dr_Willis, du -hs /boot/ | sort -h says 207 but I have no idea what that means
[08:21] <Dr_Willis> sparq:  common issue.. the .Xauthority file is messed up.. login at the console and rename it. (or delete it)
[08:21] <doh_> probably the total volume and not free space
[08:21] <sparq> wylde: Well, I'm sure there is a logfile *somewhere* with something interesting :-)
[08:21] <Dr_Willis> doh_:  df -h     shows partion sizes
[08:21] <doh_> yup
[08:21] <sparq> Dr_Willis: Hmm. Trying that...
[08:23] <sparq> Dr_Willis: Sadly, no.
[08:24] <sparq> I did notice that there are some dbus errors in auth.log related to NetworkManager. Might this have something to do with localhost transitioning to 127.0.1.1?
[08:24] <doh_> there are about 8 files with initrd.img-3.8.0-19-generic or very similar name
[08:24] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, i still can't install grub
[08:24] <doh_> and btw, I can't delete any of the files in /boot
[08:24] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, I have no idea what to do
[08:25] <doh_> not through the gui anyways
[08:25]  * sparq ponders 
[08:25] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  may be quicker to just delete all teh partions on the hd. and let the installer totally remake them
[08:25] <Dr_Willis> doh_:  you dont want to just go randomly removeing things in /boot/
[08:25] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, how do I do that?
[08:26] <Dr_Willis> doh_:  if you got a lot of kernels. you may want to uninstall the old ones
[08:26] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  gparted can delete the partions.
[08:26] <wilee-nilee> doh_, if you look in boot how many kernels do you see?
[08:26] <doh_> I don't have spare kernels
[08:26] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  or reboot the live cd/usb and restart the installer and tell it to use the whole disk
[08:26] <doh_> how do I spot the kernels?
[08:26] <Dr_Willis> doh_:  then how big is your /boot/ partion
[08:27] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, that's what I did
[08:27] <Dr_Willis> look at how many vmlinuz-* files you got in boot
[08:27] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, the installer crashes and said that it failed to install grub
[08:27] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  no idea then.  you could manually repartion and make a small efi partion at the start of the hd.
[08:27] <doh_> Dr_Willis, 207 according to du -hs /boot/ | sort -h
[08:27] <sparq> doh_: Generally, you want to manage your kernels through apt/dpkg. Try 'dpkg -l linux*'
[08:27] <Dr_Willis> doh_:  what does 'df -h' say about /boot/
[08:28] <doh_> Dr_Willis, it says 207M	/boot/
[08:28] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, that's what I'm trying to do. I made the partition, set it up, and i still can't install grub
[08:28] <doh_> sparq, I did that dpkg -l linux*. it lits plenty of stuff
[08:28] <sparq> oh wait, they changed the naming convention
[08:28] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  you are trying to use boot-repairr.. im suggesting make the partions then restart the installer
[08:29] <doh_> its all gibberish to mt
[08:29] <sparq> doh_: one sec
[08:29] <doh_> its all gibberish to me
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> doh_:  pastebin the output of df -h   and  mount
[08:29] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, let me try to restart the installer
[08:31] <sparq> Ha! I think I see the problem. The upgrade deleted all of *my* kenrels, so I'm back to 2.6.26 which I happened to have compiled from scratch. Awesome.
[08:31] <doh_> Dr_Willis, http://pastebin.com/ffpWAcYV
[08:32] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, do you think the next version of ubuntu will be able to install ok with the UEFI? since it looks most most computers are being made with it now adays?
[08:33] <doh_> thatguy001, I don't think anyone sells new mobos with the good old bios exposed. its all uefi now
[08:33] <doh_> most computers is an understatement
[08:34] <thatguy001> doh_ i don't like change
[08:34] <nkvp> the worst part is how windows rewrites UEFI everytime to put itself on top..
[08:34] <wilee-nilee> many have legacy option for msdos
[08:34] <alekto> Hi, how to block port 1900/upnp in 13.04?
[08:34] <nkvp> yes.. the legacy option has to be enabled in BIOS
[08:34] <doh_> nkvp, ubuntu does that too
[08:35] <thatguy001> ah! i think it may be working! i haven't gotten the installer crash message yet!
[08:35] <alekto> have tried iptables: /sbin/iptables -A INPUT --dport 1900 -j REJECT
[08:35] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  ive never owned a uefi system. all i know on the topix is what that guide saYS
[08:35] <doh_> of course it puts itself on top
[08:35] <alekto> not working!
[08:35] <Dr_Willis> the last new computer i bought - was a raspberry pi ;)
[08:35] <reisio> ditto
[08:36] <reisio> although I should've got a cubieboard
[08:36] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, if..and i say if becayse i don't want to upset murphey, but if this works will i have to keep my hardrive in every time i boot?
[08:36] <reisio> wasn't for me anyways
[08:36] <nkvp> @doh_ i don't think ubuntu does so
[08:36] <nkvp> @doh_, but everytime I try putting ubuntu on top of the UEFI
[08:36] <Dr_Willis> i learned my pi can use my samsung smart tv's remote.  via the hdmi-cec stuff.. thats this weekends project. ;P
[08:36] <nkvp> windows comes back
[08:36] <wilee-nilee> newest I bought was a neexus 7, all the laptops are at least 5 years old
[08:36] <nkvp> as soon as i boot windows
[08:36] <doh_> nkvp, I am telling you it does on all of my systems
[08:36] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  the efi partion should be on the hard drive you are booting..
[08:37] <doh_> How else is it supposed to to boot?
[08:37] <doh_> newer install -> on top of the list
[08:37] <doh_> UEFI only reads the last record
[08:37] <doh_> maybe I am wrong, though
[08:37] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:   from what i read the partiont layoug should be like   ,<fat32 efi partion>  </ partion ext4> <swap partition>
[08:37] <doh_> never edited the shit
[08:37] <reisio> Dr_Willis: use it?
[08:38] <Dr_Willis> reisio:  not all the keys work.  :) yet...
[08:38] <reisio> Dr_Willis: to do what?
[08:38] <Dr_Willis> i grabbed the remote by mistake and the core buttons work on the tv;s remote to controll xbmc on the pi.
[08:38] <doh_> so, guys. Any way to expand that little partition that Ubuntu created but can properly maintain?
[08:38] <reisio> ah
[08:38] <Dr_Willis> reisio:   aparently the tv can talk back to the pi over the hdmi-cec port. so that saves me having a remote just for the pi.
[08:38] <reisio> doh_: /boot ?
[08:38] <doh_> yes
[08:39] <doh_> I am baffled with it
[08:39] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, but grub will be on the computer its self. so I won't need to have the hard drive in every time i boot?
[08:39] <reisio> doh_: if it isn't the efi system partition, you can just get rid of it, move its data to /
[08:39] <Dr_Willis> doh_:  how bit was your boot partion? why do you even need a boot partion
[08:39] <doh_> why create it if you cant maintain it?
[08:39] <reisio> doh_: um, and what if you filled /home/ up with data?
[08:39] <doh_> I never did any of this
[08:39] <reisio> the system would still stop then
[08:39] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:   the efi partion is neede to boot the system.  grub uses the filews from there i belive
[08:39] <reisio> doh_: sure you di d
[08:39] <doh_> no, I didnt
[08:39] <reisio> when you run out of space, you have to make room
[08:39] <doh_> Ubuntu did on my behalf
[08:39] <reisio> even Windows users have to do that
[08:39] <Dr_Willis> doh_:  i see people make /boot/ partions when they dont need them. and they get filled up
[08:39] <doh_> not the same
[08:40] <reisio> doh_: it's exactly the same :)
[08:40] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, so can i move those files onto my hd?
[08:40] <Dr_Willis> doh_:  does 'mount' show  seperate /boot/ partion?
[08:40] <doh_> no, its not :D
[08:40] <reisio> 't'is
[08:40] <doh_> sec
[08:40] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  no idea. its suppose dot be on the hd allready
[08:40] <Dr_Willis> be really amuseing doh_  if its your / thats full. ;)
[08:40] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, ok, well i guess i'll see what happens and then get back to you after i sleep a bit. it's 4:40 where I am
[08:41] <Dr_Willis> 4:40 here. i am at work for another hour. ;)
[08:41] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, thank you btw
[08:42] <doh_> No, its not the drive that.s fool
[08:42] <doh_> Dr_Willis, /dev/sdb1                    228M  207M  8,9M  96% /boot
[08:43] <troulouliou_dev> hi if i install ubuntu server can i still have access to all the desktop version packet ?
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> doh_:  you got a 228mb /boot/ partion..  thats rather tiny.
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> and  only 21mb are free
[08:43] <doh_> I blame the OS
[08:43] <doh_> I never made this partition
[08:43] <wilee-nilee> troulouliou_dev, if you install a desktop of some sort yes.
[08:43] <reisio> troulouliou_dev: packages, if you want to install them, sure
[08:43] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, I'm just getting a purple screen after restart
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> doh_:   ubuntu does NOT make a /boot/ partion by default that i haVE EVER SEEN
[08:44] <doh_> Well, I don't even know how to do it myself
[08:44] <doh_> so sure it did it
[08:44] <troulouliou_dev> reisio, wilee-nilee  i need a home nfs/samba/dlna server but i want lxde + deluge on it , is it possible ?
[08:44] <wilee-nilee> doh_, Have you had another OS that had one maybe?
[08:44] <reisio> troulouliou_dev: yup, just install them
[08:44] <Dr_Willis> doh_:  now look in /boot/ and see how maky vmlinuz* files you got
[08:44] <troulouliou_dev> reisio, ha nice
[08:44] <reisio> troulouliou_dev: a box can be a server and a desktop
[08:44] <troulouliou_dev> thanks
[08:44] <doh_> k
[08:44] <Dr_Willis> how many vmlin* files are in /boot/
[08:45] <troulouliou_dev> reisio, what is the difference between the server and desktop version then  ? some kernel patches ?
[08:45] <Dr_Willis> my /boot/ partion is like 5gb. ;)
[08:45] <doh_> Dr_Willis, total of 8
[08:45] <reisio> troulouliou_dev: there are probably some kernel differences, but
[08:45] <reisio> troulouliou_dev: the main difference is that the desktop version comes with a desktop environment
[08:45] <Dr_Willis> vmeson:  you dont need that many. you really only need the last 2-3 kernels.
[08:45] <troulouliou_dev> reisio, ok thanks
[08:45] <Dr_Willis> doh_: :  you dont need that many. you really only need the last 2-3 kernels.
[08:45] <doh_> wilee-nilee, yes - Windows and then ubuntu, then a bunch of others. But I always wiped the disk completely
[08:46] <Dr_Willis> askubuntu.com has some commands/scripts to clean out the old kernels
[08:46] <troulouliou_dev> and can i install the server version on a md0 mirror array but initialized at during install rpocess only with one disk and the second one missing
[08:46] <doh_> Dr_Willis, I cant delete them with the GUI. Would it be possible with CLI?
[08:47] <wilee-nilee> doh_, The ubuntu tweak tool removes kernels nicely with a gui
[08:47] <sparq> Oh weird. So, if I try to log into Gnome Bluetile, it works, but not with bluetile (which isn't installed).
[08:47] <sparq> I think maybe the session can't find the window manager?
[08:47] <doh_> wilee-nilee, cli doesnt let me do it either
[08:47] <wilee-nilee> and the configs toooooo
[08:47] <doh_> ffs
[08:48] <Dr_Willis> doh_:  askubuntu.com has guides and scripts on how to remove them
[08:48] <Dr_Willis> doh_:  use the package manager tools is the proper way to remove them
[08:48] <wilee-nilee> oh, hehe the proper way, oh my. ;)
[08:49] <doh_> wilee-nilee, Ubtuntu tweak tool or Unity tweak tool?
[08:49] <thatguy001> it works!
[08:49] <doh_> are they not the same thing?
[08:49] <thatguy001> oh sweet jesus it works!
[08:49]  * Dr_Willis is reminded of the compter-hjanitor tool that removed ALL kernels....
[08:49] <wilee-nilee> doh_, ubuntu tweak there is a ppa
[08:49] <thatguy001> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K6S0LHeG8k
[08:50] <Dr_Willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/2793/how-do-i-remove-or-hide-old-kernel-versions-to-clean-up-the-boot-menu
[08:50] <wilee-nilee> the computer janitor would give you a nice brick by it's self yeah
[08:51] <Megabyte> Morning, everyone
[08:51] <reisio> mornin'
[08:52] <reisio> thatguy001: ?
[08:52] <Romance> Help me, ubuntu 12.04, using usb wifi adapter trying to connect a wifi hotspot (RADIUS server) but never connected at all, while using the same usb wifi adapter and laptop with windows 7, it can connect, why so?
[08:52] <doh_> well, the stupid software center cant find ubuntu tweak
[08:52] <doh_> I give up
[08:52] <ZeThomas> hello, can someone help me? I installed the latest drivers for my videocard as found here: http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/1p471r/im_sick_and_tired_of_ati_switching_to_nvidia/ccypiay, but now it doesn't load x, it just gives the splash/loading screen, and goes to a blinking cursor; after that I automatically get switched to tty1
[08:53] <thatguy001> risio it works!
[08:53] <joelteon> how do I determine if an apt package is a virtual package or not
[08:53] <wilee-nilee> doh_, The only thing shared on those two tools is the word tweak, that link by Dr_Willis  shows you your options.
[08:53] <Megabyte> Hi, guys
[08:53] <Megabyte> Ubuntu 13.10 doesn't give us a detailed changelong on their main site. Can I ask what's new in 13.10?
[08:53] <doh_> wilee-nilee, the only Ubuntu tweak tool is a fuckin ad
[08:53] <Dr_Willis> ZeThomas:  you did remove the ati/fglrx drivers first? i hope
[08:54] <joelteon> specifically, I'm trying to build a .deb that depends on libtinfo-dev, which is apparently? a virtual package but as far as I can tell it actually isn't.
[08:54] <joelteon> I'm on 12.04
[08:54] <doh_> some stupid agregator
[08:54] <joelteon> how do I figure out what actually provides libtinfo-dev?
[08:54] <doh_> anyway, I don't need this
[08:54] <doh_> such a waste of time
[08:54] <ZeThomas> Dr_Willis, yes I did, at least I think I did; can I check this?
[08:54] <doh_> thanks for everything, guys
[08:54] <doh_> cu
[08:54] <wilee-nilee> some people are just stupid
[08:54] <Megabyte> Hello?
[08:55] <Dr_Willis> ZeThomas:  theres cli tools but i cant recall the exact commands. how did you install the nvidia drivers?
[08:56] <n1n0> hi. cannot see the icons on the desktop (are visivle when click on the desktop folder). multiple workspaces are disabled.
[08:56] <platzhirsch1> I think I don't quite get it, but is it possible for me to update to the latest libsoup upload? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsoup2.4
[08:57] <ZeThomas> Dr_Willis, I followed these instructions: http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/1p471r/im_sick_and_tired_of_ati_switching_to_nvidia/ccypiay
[08:57] <jasic> hi guys
[08:57] <ZeThomas> Dr_Willis, however, for the first step, I could not locate the .sh in question
[08:57] <Dr_Willis> ZeThomas:  im not sure how much i would trust reddit for tech support/guides
[08:57] <wilee-nilee> Megabyte, updated versions of some apps it's the same ubuntu otherwise from previous releases basically
[08:58] <Megabyte> wilee-nilee, Still, a detailed changelog would be interesting...
[08:58] <Dr_Willis> ZeThomas:   perhaps they ment the fglrx.whatever.sh installer  if you used the repos/package manager to install things.. you use it to remove them
[08:58] <reisio> jasic: hiyo
[08:58] <wilee-nilee> Megabyte, For you yes, for me no.
[08:58] <Megabyte> wilee-nilee, For instance, it seems that Ubuntu's default file manager seems to be a bit more useable by default
[08:59] <troulouliou_dev> hi i change my ubuntu one password on the site and now the updates are freezed on the computer but i can't fond any place to change it on the computer
[08:59] <Megabyte> wilee-nilee, *Ubuntu's file manager (default)
[08:59] <n1n0> also, gimp shown as "running" on the programs list on the left, yet cannot see it, as if the multiple workspaces are activated, yet they're not
[08:59] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu uses nautilus by default Megabyte .
[08:59] <Dr_Willis> gnome devs keep trimming out nautiuls features. :)
[09:00] <Megabyte> Dr_Willis, They changed something very small on Nautilus, but which made it much more useful. Originally, when going back, it wouldn't remember the previous folders you were at. Now, it does, so you can easily go back to *each* of them.
[09:01] <Megabyte> Dr_Willis, I'm also glad Ubuntu and variants didn't go through the "flat" trend... I'm sick of "flat" interfaces...
[09:01] <ZeThomas> Dr_Willis, I know, I'm extremely desperate though, my computer keeps giving segfaults and kernel panics, so I'm kind of willing to try whatever...
[09:01] <Dr_Willis> ZeThomas:  might be faster to just do a reinstall.    ive not swiutched video  cards in ages..
[09:03] <Patero-ng> I want to know how to disable one of the output displays on my laptop, my laptop is connected to an lcd via it's crt port and it have both of them activated I want to use only one
[09:03] <ZeThomas> Dr_Willis, it's a brand new laptop, the misery was there from day 1; it's basically a new install (I haven't even gotten around to making my wifi card working!)
[09:03] <Dr_Willis> Patero-ng:  many laptops have a fn-XX key to toggle monitors/displaYS
[09:04] <Dr_Willis> ZeThomas:  you changed video cards on a laptop?
[09:04] <Dr_Willis> or am i geting confused again
[09:04] <Patero-ng> Dr_Willis: yea but this key doesn't do anything only up until before getting into ubuntu
[09:04] <Dr_Willis> Patero-ng:  ive had laptops that used it in the bios screen. ;) so it depends.
[09:05] <ZeThomas> Dr_Willis, no I didn't, it came with this one, only I can't get my system to work without segfaulting/kernel panicing all the time
[09:05] <Dr_Willis> Patero-ng:  or use the xrandr/monitor/display tool to  turn off the other display
[09:05] <Patero-ng> Dr_Willis: yea mine has one too and I selected output display only but ubuntu reactivates it
[09:05] <ZeThomas> Dr_Willis, I don't even know for sure it is the video card
[09:05] <Patero-ng> Dr_Willis: will try
[09:06] <Dr_Willis> ZeThomas:  might be worth wile testing some live cd's to see if they work or not.  and see if its an optimus based laptop or not.
[09:06] <Dr_Willis> ZeThomas:  and run a memtest  for a while
[09:07] <Patero-ng> Dr_Willis: ubuntu server doeesn't come with xrandr do i have to install it or am i doing it wrong
[09:07] <Patero-ng> window 4
[09:09] <reisio> Patero-ng: xrandr comes with X stuff, which comes with desktop environments
[09:09] <reisio> Patero-ng: which you may or may not want on a "server"
[09:11] <fahadash> !iphone
[09:13] <Dr_Willis> Patero-ng:  server dosent have a gui at all.. so you are saying the consoles are on both monitors?
[09:15] <Guest52549> hallo habe ein Problem
[09:16] <fahadash> Ubuntu cannot connect with iphone with ios7, it keeps on saying The device "[name of device]" is locked. Enter the passcode on the device and click "Try again". [Cancel] [Try again]"
[09:17] <fahadash> I tried tapping  Trust on iphone screen, but doing that makes a copy of that error dialog in ubuntu
[09:17] <Guest52549> lies mich jemand?
[09:17] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  connect how? bluetooth? wifi? other?
[09:17] <wylde> !de
[09:17] <fahadash> Dr_Willis: USB
[09:18] <Patero-ng> Dr_Willis: yes both displays are on I dont'want the laptops's on just the lcd on the desk
[09:18] <Dr_Willis> Patero-ng:  no idea about the consoles on a laptop.  might want to check the forums.
[09:18] <Dr_Willis> Patero-ng:  possibly the fbset command might be able to do somthing
[09:19] <Patero-ng> Dr_Willis: will look into it
[09:20] <shadej> where do message like "ubuntu has encountered internal error" get saved?
[09:20] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  i dident think you could just attatch an iphone as a usb-drive.  but i dont own one.. or ever plan onit.
[09:21] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  for transfering stuff to smart phones - i tend to use the various wifi tools. like airdroid. or ssh/scp/samba/ftp
[09:21] <wylde> shadej, I would probably look in /var/log/apport.log
[09:24] <shadej> wylde: ok but now the I find the file empty
[09:24] <wylde> shadej, hmmm was a first thought.
[09:24] <Dr_Willis> i wonder if anyone ever understands the apport reports. ;)
[09:25] <wylde> someone must
[09:25] <wylde> even if it is only the bug bots on launchpad ;)
[09:25] <Dr_Willis> i seem to recall reading they get so many  reports submitted - they barely have time to look at them
[09:26] <wylde> probably before they incorporated a maxreports threshold heh
[09:26] <deadbabies>  to kikll him
[09:26] <deadbabies> >:O
[09:27] <deadbabies> just fyi
[09:27] <deadbabies> bai
[09:27] <FloodBot1> deadbabies: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:27] <deadbabies> i'm swwpy
[09:29] <wylde> shadej, for i in /var/log/*.log; do grep -i "ubuntu has encountered internal error" $i >/dev/null && echo "$i" $1 found; done
[09:30] <wylde> oops that last $1 should be "ubuntu has encountered internal error" heh
[09:31] <shadej> wylde: I just want to get the recent notifiaction it could ubuntu error , application software error, or message like you have low disk space
[09:31] <guest-2YDl9H> Heyy
[09:32] <Anurag> hey anybody can help me
[09:32] <Dr_Willis> !ask
[09:33] <newbie|3> I installed 12.04 in my laptop  to poweroff i always have to press alt key is there any option so i  can get both suspend and poweroff
[09:33] <guest-2YDl9H> my wifi is very slow although it has good connection what u can do?
[09:33] <Anurag> yes actually i just recently install 13.10 ubuntu but cant access internet through wifi 3g dongale
[09:34] <Dr_Willis> newbie|3:  you mean in gnome-shell?
[09:34] <Dr_Willis> newbie|3:  i also think if you logout the lightdm login screen has both options
[09:35] <newbie|3> yes DR_Willis
[09:35] <Dr_Willis> newbie|3:  theres gnome-shell plugins to change the behaivor
[09:35] <Anurag> hello any one there to help me
[09:36] <linu> hi i have used ubuntu 12-04 within that i have windows in virtual box,when i try copy a file from ubuntu to windows it is not copying and also the paste button disabled in windows can you tell me how to copy a file ?
[09:36] <newbie|3> Dr_Willis:can u tell me where i will get this plugin
[09:36] <Dr_Willis> linu:  you can access the os in vbox as if it was a  real pc on the network. Use scp/ssh, or samba, or ftp to get stuff back and forth
[09:36] <bekks> linu: How are you "copying a file" - did you create shares, etc?
[09:36] <Sifo> another small offtopic quest if possible does anyone know some software to stop annoying banners in youtube
[09:36] <Dr_Willis> newbie|3:  at the gnome shell plugin homepage.
[09:37] <Dr_Willis> Sifo:  look for browser extensions to block annoyances/ads
[09:37] <newbie|3> Dr_Willis:thanks
[09:37] <wilee-nilee> Sifo, what browser?
[09:37] <reisio> linu: sounds like you need to setup a share (in vbox prefs) and also enable the bidirectional clipboard (also in vbox prefs)
[09:37] <Sifo> i have them already in use Dr_Willis
[09:37] <Anurag> linu : i think it vl not copied from ubuntu to window
[09:37] <Neurotoxin> damnit, how do I turn a tar.xz into a tar.gz   in windows?
[09:37] <Sifo> firefox and chrome wilee-nilee
[09:38] <Sifo> i already use add block plus
[09:38] <pskora> 7zip can do that
[09:38] <Dr_Willis> Neurotoxin:  xz? never seen that extension. what made the file
[09:38] <minimec> Anurag: When you plug in the dongle, you can check how it is recognized by typing 'dmesg' in the terminal. Also, you can check the device id with the command 'lsusb'. Can you use pastebin and show us the last 10 lines of 'dmesg' and the result of 'lsusb'? pastebin --> paste.ubuntu.com
[09:38] <Sifo> it stops adds
[09:38] <wilee-nilee> Sifo, both have adblock noscript in FF and there is a flash block in chrome I forget the name.
[09:38] <bekks> Neurotoxin: Use a packaging program, like 7zip.
[09:39] <Dr_Willis> then there was that  plugin for firefox that let you make rules to rewite sites. ;) platypus or somthing?
[09:39] <Dr_Willis> ;)
[09:39] <Neurotoxin> ok...
[09:39] <Sifo> im talking about the clickable banners in the video itself
[09:39] <Sifo> mostly transparant
[09:39] <Sifo> annoying
[09:39] <Dr_Willis> Sifo:  use a flash downloader extension perhaps.. I never really notice any banners in what i watch.
[09:39] <Sifo> i dont get adds no more and flash
[09:39] <Dr_Willis> so either they are getting blocked.. or  i am watching videos that dont have them
[09:40] <wilee-nilee> Sifo, Probably no way, imbeded in the vid I think
[09:40] <Sifo> hm ok wilee-nilee
[09:40] <reisio> Neurotoxin: what for
[09:40] <Sifo> i thought some like that
[09:40] <Dr_Willis> i do tend to use flash-downloaders for most videos however
[09:40] <Butch128> Looking for some advice.  Have 4 drives that I am going to RAID1, cannot have failure.  Is it safe to go 2 active, 2 spare - or should I go 3 active 1 spare?  I'm thinking resyncing time.
[09:40] <Anurag> no no sir i want to know about to install the setup of dongles
[09:40] <Sifo> so theres prob no way to get rid of them i guess
[09:40] <Dr_Willis> Anurag:  first step would be to determine the exact chipset of that dongle.
[09:41] <Sifo> there is option to config in add block Dr_Willis
[09:41] <minimec> Anurag: When you plug in the dongle, you can check how it is recognized by typing 'dmesg' in the terminal. Also, you can check the device id with the command 'lsusb'. Can you use pastebin and show us the last 10 lines of 'dmesg' and the result of 'lsusb'? pastebin --> paste.ubuntu.com
[09:41] <Sifo> very configrble
[09:41] <Dr_Willis> Sifo:  never noticee. i thought i just use the defaults.
[09:41] <Neurotoxin> reisio do you know the terminal command for linux 7z program to turn a tar xz into a tar.gz beacause the prgramm i want to read it in doesnt recognize the xz
[09:41] <bekks> Neurotoxin: On linux, tar can handle that.
[09:41] <Anurag> then
[09:41] <Dr_Willis> Sifo:  look through the firefox extensions. there may be some xoeficically for yoytube
[09:41] <Sifo> in fact u can conf per site and within site it selve also Dr_Willis
[09:42] <reisio> Neurotoxin: unxz foo.tar.xz && gzip foo.tar
[09:42] <Sifo> hm ok Dr_Willis
[09:42] <Sifo> tnx man
[09:42] <Dr_Willis> ive also seen extensions that let you watch yoytybe videos in VLC or Mplayer. :)
[09:42] <Neurotoxin> unxz? ok trying...
[09:42] <Sifo> hm
[09:42] <Sifo> nah thats ok
[09:42] <Sifo> the banners are so f ing annoying
[09:42] <linu> bekks, i just right click on the file and chose  a copy and trying to paste the same on windows
[09:42] <Dr_Willis> i tend to use flash-downloader extensions 90% of the time
[09:43] <Sifo> same here Dr_Willis
[09:43] <reisio> 90 is a lot
[09:43] <Sifo> but just where i want to
[09:43] <bekks> linu: Which will not work that way.
[09:43] <Sifo> not every where
[09:43] <chalcedony> ah
[09:43] <Anurag> sir will you provide me help for step by step am so confuse
[09:43] <bekks> linu: You have to setup filesharing between host and guest.
[09:43] <Sifo> most flash is add crap
[09:44] <Sifo> a waste of your sight
[09:44] <danslo> can I somehow disable F1 key? google has not been of much help - I dont want it to pop up application's help, I want to use it for workspace switching
[09:44] <danslo> 13.10 btw
[09:44] <linu> bekks,but  reisio suggest some bidirectional clipboards changes...
[09:45] <Anurag> Dr_wills:sir will you provide me help for step by step am so confuse
[09:45] <minimec> Anurag: I don't know if you are 'talking' me. If you do, just add 'minimec' at the beginnig of your text. Like that I get notified. Like I do woth your nick.
[09:45] <minimec> Anurag: Ok I will help you.
[09:45] <bekks> linu: Which does nit work that way, for files. Using vbox 4.3.0, you could use drag and drop.
[09:46] <Anurag> minimec : yes sir help me out
[09:46] <Anurag> about to setup my dongle
[09:47] <babo> what's up with #linux , why is it invite only ?
[09:47] <minimec> Anurag: Open a terminal with <ctrl><alt>t, plug in your 3g USB dongle,  wait  some 10 seconds, type 'dmesg' in the terminal (without the ''), copy the last 10-15 lines, paste them here --> paste.ubuntu.com, give us the link.
[09:47] <Dr_Willis> Anurag:  i dont know step by step. so nope.
[09:47] <bekks> babo: You have to be a registered freenode user.
[09:47] <linu> bekks, but my version is Oracle VM VirtualBox Manager 4.1.12_Ubuntu,is it possible in this version
[09:48] <bekks> linu: No.
[09:48] <wilee-nilee> babo, It's ##linux and you have to be registered with freenode
[09:48] <babo> bekks, i'm trying to register but it says my name is taken
[09:48] <bekks> babo: Then chosse another name.
[09:48] <bekks> *choose
[09:48] <babo> when i try /nick babo1 it doesn't respond
[09:48] <minimec> Anurag: Also add the result of 'lsusb' to that 'pastebin' stuff.
[09:49] <Anurag> minimec: i cant understand that "copy the last 10-15 lines, paste them here --> paste.ubuntu.com, give us the link."
[09:51] <wilee-nilee> !register | babo
[09:51] <Anurag> minimec : are you there
[09:52] <mydog2> hey.. new to ubuntu - how can i tell if a package - pthreads is installed?
[09:52] <malinus> I have some (security) updates that have been hold back for weeks. Is it possible those are held back because I'm running some specific software that uses it/somehow blocks it?
[09:52] <rexwin_> mydog2 apt-file search
[09:52] <minimec> Anurag: well... copy the last 10-15 lines of that 'dmesg' output and paste them into that empty field @ paste.ubuntu.com. Then put your nick name and 'paste' it. You will get a link, that you can share eith us.
[09:52] <wilee-nilee> malinus, try a dist-upgrade
[09:53] <Anurag> okey wait
[09:54] <wilee-nilee> malinus, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade check the upgrade manager this is not a partial upgrade situation, which is not wise.
[09:54] <mydog2> rexwin_, - thanks
[09:54] <malinus> wilee-nilee, what do you mean?
[09:55] <wilee-nilee> malinus, There is a update manager a gui.
[09:55] <Anurag> minimec: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6305356/
[09:55] <malinus> wilee-nilee, I'm afraid of using aptitude, I think I might break something
[09:55] <ObrienDave> ooooo, is someone trying to do a partial dist upgrade??? I need a good laugh
[09:55] <malinus> wilee-nilee, I'll try running dis-upgrade first
[09:55] <bekks> malinus: Then use apt-get instead of aptitude
[09:55] <wilee-nilee> malinus, I would not bother with aptitude, that may be part of the problem.
[09:56] <wilee-nilee> night all time to crash
[09:57] <minimec> Anurag: not 'dmesg' but the output of dmesg. I show you: For my USB 3d dongle, the output of 'dmesg' and 'lsusb' would be this... http://paste.ubuntu.com/6305360/
[09:57] <ObrienDave> l8r wilee
[09:58] <Artpicre> l8r = later ?
[09:58] <ObrienDave> yup
[09:58] <ObrienDave> g8r
[09:58] <ObrienDave> gator LOL
[09:59] <platzhirsch> Is it possible to add a package for 13.10 from a future Ubuntu version?
[09:59] <newbie|3> Dr_Willis: am not able to find plugin  for gnome poweroff button
[09:59] <platzhirsch> There is a package from Trusty which I would like to install
[10:00] <wylde> 13.10 is saucy
[10:00] <platzhirsch> wylde: therefore the question
[10:00] <platzhirsch> 13.10 -> get a package from Trusty
[10:00] <ObrienDave> platzhirsch... good luck with that
[10:00] <bosnjak> hi
[10:01] <platzhirsch> ObrienDave: oi,.. how come?
[10:01] <wylde> platzhirsch, you "may" break something doing that.
[10:01] <platzhirsch> oh ok :(
[10:01] <wylde> platzhirsch, why are you wanting to do that?
[10:01] <platzhirsch> wylde: update libsoup
[10:02] <bosnjak> i am having trouble with .pam_environment file. I have tree variables defined, and one is not being recognized. After login i don't see it in printenv.. Any ideas? Here is my .pam_environment file: http://pastebin.com/h3XR1Jry
[10:02] <platzhirsch> yesterday I tried to update/install it from hand,.. bricked my Linux installation
[10:02] <ObrienDave> pffft I really need a good laugh right now
[10:02] <bosnjak> the middle one is not working ^
[10:02] <wylde> platzhirsch, far safer to get the updated source, build and install with checkinstall
[10:03] <newbie|3> instead of suspend I need Poweroff  buttonis there any extension in gnome  ?
[10:03] <platzhirsch> wylde: probably did something terribly wrong yesterday,.. I won't try to do that again
[10:04] <minimec> newbie|3: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/14/shut-down-menu/
[10:04] <wylde> platzhirsch, that's a good way to create unresolvable dependencies. Good idea. ;)
[10:05] <newbie|3> minimec:thanks
[10:05] <nyw_> hi
[10:05] <reisio> hi nyw_
[10:05] <nyw_> hi xyz am having trouble installing postgresql
[10:06] <nyw_> on ubuntu 12.04
[10:06] <platzhirsch> wylde: guess I just wait to the next Ubuntu release, until then I must listen to my Internet radio stream via console :P
[10:07] <rexwin_> nyw_, error message
[10:07] <wylde> platzhirsch, or you could go for the experience and learn to compile the updated package from source and install with checkinstall ;)
[10:07] <nyw_> No apport report written because the error message indicates its a followup error from a previous failure.                 Errors were encountered while processing:  postgresql-9.1  postgresql
[10:08] <platzhirsch> wylde: well I did that yesterday and at some point I made a mistake when dealing with the dependencies
[10:08] <platzhirsch> the source install required specific versions on the dependencies and there it went wrong
[10:08] <rexwin_> nyw_, did you run a update
[10:08] <wylde> platzhirsch, ahh I see
[10:08] <nyw_> yes
[10:08] <nyw_> have tried apt-get -f install
[10:08] <nyw_> too
[10:09] <platzhirsch> also I don't see how this works, there is a libsoup installed through the Ubuntu package system and then I install another one through compilation, I don't quite get how they don't cross each other
[10:10] <CiSense> hi i'm preparing to upgrade from 13.04 to 13.10 and I have read that I should ppa-purge
[10:10] <CiSense> third party software especially xorg-edgers. I have a grub customizer from danielrichter2007, should I also purge this?
[10:11] <wylde> platzhirsch, the packaging system will prefer the newer version. It's important not to use 'make install' unless you want to have to manually upgrade the package every time there's an update.
[10:12] <nyw_> i tried purging postgresql and did a reinstall nothing is working
[10:12] <rexwin_> nyw, did you try , sudo dpkg --configure -a    --- and then run the install
[10:12] <ObrienDave> CiSense... the dist-upgrade should disable those for you
[10:12] <nyw_> rexwin thanks let me try that
[10:13] <CiSense> ObrienDave, that's cool, that's exactly what I was hoping to hear ... thanks!
[10:13] <ObrienDave> CiSense... welcome
[10:13] <rexwin_> nyw_,  http://askubuntu.com/questions/187958/apt-get-f-install-fails-with-usr-bin-dpkg-returned-an-error-code-1
[10:14] <platzhirsch> wylde: ah ok, good to know, because I did make install, that's why you said check install?
[10:14] <ObrienDave> CiSense... you will have to re-enable PPAS after the upgrade
[10:14] <wylde> platzhirsch, yes, that way the packaging system is aware of the package and it will get updates.
[10:14] <minimec> platzhirsch: I checked the dependencies for libsoup2.4-1 (trusty). As I sees it you need this http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/libglib2.0-0 + this http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/libsoup2.4-1 . Save them to a empty directory and 'sudo dpkg -i *.deb' ... That should do
[10:15] <CiSense> ObrienDave, reenable with?
[10:15] <platzhirsch> minimec: so you think its safe to do?
[10:15] <ObrienDave> CiSense... manually, unless someone here knows an easier way
[10:16] <minimec> platzhirsch: I know this is somehow 'dirty', but in your case you only have one dependency, that you have to upgrade... So no problem...
[10:17] <CiSense> ObrienDave, , i have two other ppas that only have raring distro support, should I leave them offline?
[10:18] <ObrienDave> CiSense... yes, until after the upgrade. you might be able to change them to saucy
[10:20] <CiSense> ObrienDave, thanks again
[10:20] <ObrienDave> CiSense... what I did was go through the PPA list 1 by 1, running apt-get update until I had no errors. took a while
[10:21] <Guest83179> Frippery shut down extension not working in 12.04
[10:21] <ObrienDave> CiSense... ***my PPA list
[10:21] <UserError> Does the mirrors source trick work in the apt-fast mirrors list?
[10:21] <UserError> To pick multiple passes of the fastest mirror at any given second
[10:22] <CiSense> ObrienDave, if there is no 13.10 release for that ppa, i'll have to wait right?
[10:23] <ObrienDave> CiSense... yes, I just kept going backwards, Saucy, Raring, Quantal, Etc. until I got no more errors
[10:23] <minimec> CiSense: You can try to modify the 'distribution' of that ppa line. Change 'saucy' to 'rarning' for example.
[10:23] <ObrienDave> CiSense... Then I went on to the next PPA in the list
[10:24] <Guest83179> Frippery shut down extension not working  any help pls?
[10:24] <ObrienDave> !patience | Guest83179
[10:25] <ObrienDave> CiSense... i must have 30 PPAs in my list LOL
[10:26] <chalcedony> heh
[10:26] <UserError> >.>
[10:26] <lenzeor> Hey guys. I want to use my Sansa Clip+ with my Ubuntu 13.10 install, but it's not recognized by ubuntu. It doesnt show up in /media or #lsusb...
[10:26] <lenzeor> Any fixes?
[10:27] <babo1> is i burn an ubuntu iso then boot my computer with it will it respect my dual boot (with windows) setup ?
[10:27] <malinus> is using ppa the same thing as downloading the key, adding it with add-apt-repository, and adding the link to /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[10:27] <malinus> because I've added some repos with ppa, and they don't seem to be in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[10:27] <UserError> lenzeor press and hold the center button
[10:28] <UserError> when you insert
[10:28] <minimec> lenzeor: check 'dmesg' after you plugged the device. The last 5-10 lines of the output.
[10:28] <lenzeor> UserError, tried that.
[10:28] <lenzeor> minimec, OK will take look
[10:29] <lenzeor> [48286.108118] usb 6-1: new full-speed USB device number 5 using uhci_hcd [48291.520079] usb 6-1: device not accepting address 5, error -84"
[10:29] <minimec> lenzeor: Check this one? http://askubuntu.com/questions/312755/i-use-ubuntu-13-04-mp3-player-sansa-clip-zip-does-not-mount
[10:30] <lenzeor> minimec, problem is, the thing is empty.
[10:30] <platzhirsch> minimec: thanks for looking into that, much appreciated :) sure, dirty, but as long as it integrates well and the package gets updated with a new version automatically, everything is fine
[10:32] <ObrienDave> malinus... after looking at mine, It seems to be a combination of sources.list and sources.list.d
[10:32] <minimec> platzhirsch: If you just 'dpkg' the two packages I pasted, they won't get any updates. You would have to 'apt pin' them. The rest of the distro will continue to get the updates.
[10:33] <minimec> lenzeor: So you cannot browse the settings on that Sansa clip?
[10:33] <malinus> ObrienDave, thanks
[10:33] <ObrienDave> yup
[10:34] <malinus> what happens when I update to 13.10 but still have ppa's pointing to 13.04 as well as software that was designed to work with 13.04?
[10:34] <lenzeor> Damn
[10:35] <malinus> *repos
[10:35] <ObrienDave> malinus... the upgrade should disable your PPAs. after that you will have to manually re-enable them
[10:35] <malinus> ObrienDave, what about the software? will it be removed?
[10:36] <ObrienDave> no
[10:36] <ObrienDave> wait!
[10:36] <platzhirsch> minimec: well, I mean not updated through the Debian package, but let's say if 14.04 is released and it contains newer versions of these
[10:36] <ObrienDave> depends on the type of upgrade you do
[10:36] <malinus> ObrienDave, I meant distro upgrade 13.04->13.10 etc.
[10:37] <ObrienDave> if you do the normal dist-upgrade no it will not destroy your existing programs or data
[10:39] <iceroot> malinus: the software may be removed when there are conflicts with other packages then they may be removed, the updater will inform you about that what will be removed, changed and newly installed
[10:39] <ObrienDave> ^^^ what he said ^^^
[10:39] <iceroot> malinus: and because it is a ppa, its not supported here and not supported by the updater, the program may not work with other ubuntu versions
[10:40] <malinus> iceroot, exactly, so I would have to find the list of that kind of software, remove it myself, and add the ppa' to the new ubuntu version(if any).
[10:41] <iceroot> malinus: the updater will disable the ppas, you can reenable them for the new ubuntu release. a ppa normally contains software for different ubuntu releases
[10:42] <malinus> iceroot, you are right, but not the "deb package" though, right?
[10:42] <iceroot> malinus: as i said, the deb package MAY be removed because maybe it will face conflicts, dependencies can not be resolved anymore and so on, if not the program will stay in your ubuntu version
[10:43] <iceroot> malinus: to remove all packages from a ppa use sudo ppa-purge ppa:ppa-name
[10:44] <malinus> thanks iceroot
[10:44] <iceroot> malinus: that will list all packages which will be removed and after that it will disable the ppa, so you will switch back to the ubuntu default packages, it will also downgrade packages if in the ubuntu repos an older version is found (and was installed before)
[10:45] <iceroot> malinus: there was also some dpkg/apt-get foo to list all packages installed from a specific repo but i can not remember the command
[10:46] <patraanjan23> I installed ubuntu 13.04 on my 8 gb pen drive. After that it ran from the pen drive. Ive no hdd. But next day my pendrive was completely dead. My bios is not even detecting it
[10:46] <patraanjan23> How can i get my pen drive back in work?
[10:47] <iceroot> patraanjan23: if the bios is not detecting it, it is a hardware issue
[10:47] <iceroot> patraanjan23: that is not an ubuntu problem
[10:48] <platzhirsch> If I dpkg -i install debian packages, will they get updated through apt-get if Ubuntu releases newer versions of them?
[10:49] <ObrienDave> patraanjan23... have you tried a different USB port?
[10:49] <bekks> platzhirsch: No.
[10:49] <iceroot> patraanjan23: no
[10:49] <iceroot> patraanjan23: hm wait
[10:49] <platzhirsch> bekks: ok, thanks
[10:49] <patraanjan23> I have tried different USB port on my computer. my friends computer
[10:50] <iceroot> patraanjan23: yes it will update but only when you install a package with dpkg which is also in the repo (as a newer version) which is a totally stupid setup
[10:50] <iceroot> platzhirsch: see above
[10:50] <iceroot> patraanjan23: sorry wrong nick
[10:51] <iceroot> platzhirsch: if possible try to avoid installing local deb files, because you will not get security updates and on a release upgrade normally that will fail
[10:51] <platzhirsch> iceroot: so, it's a package from Trusty
[10:51] <patraanjan23> Hardware issue? I dont think it's a hardware issue. I think the problem is in ext3 formatting of the pen drive.
[10:51] <iceroot> platzhirsch: imo the updater ois removing everything which is not in the new repo. for example you install program foobar and foobar is removed from 13.10 then the updater will remove that installed program
[10:51] <ObrienDave> patraanjan23... sorry, but it sounds like your USB stick really died
[10:52] <roby2206> ciao
[10:52] <iceroot> patraanjan23: the bios does not care about fat, ntfs, ext or something like that
[10:52] <Ben64> platzhirsch: mixing packages from different versions is a great way to break everything. if you really need 14.04 stuff, you should just upgrade
[10:52] <iceroot> patraanjan23: if the bios is not detecing the drive, then its broken
[10:52] <shimano> Is there any trick to enable DTS-HD on fglrx? :)
[10:52] <roby2206> ! list
[10:52] <ObrienDave> !42
[10:53] <patraanjan23> I worked last night. N today morning there's nothing? I did not even unmount it from pc?
[10:53] <roby2206> ? list
[10:54] <iceroot> patraanjan23: how should the os detect the drive when the bios is not detecting the hardware?
[10:54] <platzhirsch> Ben64: Yeah, I heard that now sometimes :P it's just about libglib and libsoup
[10:54] <ObrienDave> patraanjan23... I have several Xubuntu's, Etc, on multiple USB sticks. I have never had one die like what you're describing.
[10:55] <patraanjan23> So it's fried officially? I know installing ubuntu on stick should do no bad! But how come all of a sudden it die?
[10:55] <Ben64> patraanjan23: plug the usb drive in, wait a couple seconds, and pastebin the output of "dmesg"
[10:57] <patraanjan23> Paste it here?
[10:57] <Ben64> !pastebin | patraanjan23
[10:58] <patraanjan23> Okay. Wait. I'll be back shortly.
[11:00] <sruz25> is there newest firefox in ubuntu 12.04? Or does it have only security updates?
[11:02] <iceroot> !info firefox precise
[11:02] <iceroot> sruz25: newest version, firefox is a program which will get major updates within an ubuntu release
[11:02] <sruz25> icedp: ty
[11:03] <iceroot> !info iceweasel precise
[11:04] <iceroot> :(
[11:05] <iceroot> i am still asking myself why there is firefox in ubuntu when canocial is patching firefox. i dont understand that logic
[11:05] <arunkumar413> H all, my system has windows, fedora and ubuntu is inside winodws. Main boot loader is fedora. Now I want to format the fedora partition. So, how I restore the boot loader after deleting fedora
[11:06] <iceroot> !grub | arunkumar413
[11:06] <iceroot> arunkumar413: last link
[11:06] <iceroot> arunkumar413: sorry, first link
[11:06] <Guest83179> https://extensions.gnome.org
[11:06] <Guest83179> How to install extensions from
[11:07] <arunkumar413> iceroot: that doesn't apply to me as I've installed ubuntu inside windows
[11:08] <auronandace> arunkumar413: you should avoid wubi
[11:08] <iceroot> arunkumar413: wubi?
[11:08] <arunkumar413> iceroot: yes
[11:09] <iceroot> arunkumar413: so you have grub which is showing fedora and windows, right? and you will remove fedora and want the windowds boot loader?
[11:09] <arunkumar413> yes
[11:09] <iceroot> arunkumar413: ##windows  and ask them how to restore the windows bootloader
[11:10] <patraanjan23_> I'm back
[11:10] <patraanjan23_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6305659/  here is the paste
[11:10] <pest_> Hey, a 3rd generation iPad can be installed ubuntu? , The chip is a A5xdual-core
[11:11] <k1l_> Guest83179: if you are running gnome-shell there is a option setting on the page.
[11:11] <auronandace> !arm | pest_
[11:11] <bekks> pest_: No, it cant.
[11:11] <iceroot> patraanjan23: as said earlier, hardware issue, there is no usb stick listed after you plugged it in and then typed dmesg
[11:12] <patraanjan23_> so I should tell the vendor?
[11:12] <iceroot> pest_: buy free hardware if you want freedom about your software
[11:12] <reisio> pest_: I believe iPads have secure boot, which is the real hurdle
[11:12] <rampageRipper> i wanna stop Orca,i'm logged in mate
[11:12] <reisio> pest_: as iceroot says, plenty of other tablets to be had, although many of those, even ones that come with Android, also have secure boot issues
[11:12] <reisio> not all, however :)
[11:12] <ObrienDave> patraanjan23... vendor of the USB stick, yes
[11:13] <reisio> ironically one of the tablets for which it is "easiest" to get GNU/Linux on is a Microsoft Surface Pro
[11:13] <patraanjan23_> okay. thanks for the time. have a great day. bye
[11:14] <pest_> in a tablet of hp can be installed ubuntu without no problem ?
[11:14] <iceroot> pest_: there are so mayn hp tablets
[11:14] <k1l_> pest_: please ask in #ubuntu-arm for arm support questions
[11:15] <iceroot> pest_: if you are really interested in something like that, choose hardware which respects your freedom (for example nexus devices)
[11:16] <iceroot> pest_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[11:17] <jasic> guys after I play game extreme tux or chromium-bsd; after exiting, the display gets low resolution
[11:18] <Guest83179> K1l_: i did from there  but nothing happened
[11:18] <pest_> is there in spain  hardware of low cost  with ubuntu installed for a tv full hd ?
[11:18] <k1l_> Guest83179: relogin?
[11:19] <Dr_Willis> pest_:  you can get low cost devices that can play HD video. many for under $100 usa
[11:19] <Dr_Willis> pest_:  zoltec has their line of mini htpcs also. if you want a full pc.
[11:20] <pest_> drwillis ok but this harware is from the chinorris???
[11:20] <Guest83179> K1l_:is there any othewr way?
[11:20] <Guest83179> other*
[11:20] <iceroot> pest_: raspberry pi is able to do that but ubuntu can not be used (but some debian forks). 35€
[11:20] <platzhirsch> How stable is it to run an Alpha version of a Ubuntu version?
[11:21] <iceroot> platzhirsch: you know what alpha means?
 when I login to system by using account : cattie , which with UID 0, then promt is like  root@ubunt#     how can let it prompt is  cattie@ubuntu#
[11:21] <platzhirsch> iceroot: ok, my question was kind of dump, using stable and alpha in one sentence
[11:21] <platzhirsch> I mean, is it usable?
[11:21] <iceroot> cattie: what?
[11:21] <iceroot> cattie: uid=0?
[11:22] <iceroot> platzhirsch: no
[11:22] <platzhirsch> iceroot: ok
[11:22] <k1l_> platzhirsch: if you need to ask about stability dont use alpha/beta
[11:22] <iceroot> cattie: who told you to do something stupid like that?
[11:22] <iceroot> cattie: that is the most stupid thing you can do
[11:22] <Guest29390> k1l_: i did relogin and reboot also but nothing
[11:22] <Dr_Willis> cattie:  the prompt is showing what yser you are logged in at.. if you want  it to be cattie.. then you should be loggint in as cattie. not root
[11:23] <k1l_> Guest29390: make sure you have the right gnome-shell version that is required by that extension
[11:23] <rampageRipper> orca is  so disturbing,how 2 stop it
[11:23] <Dr_Willis> cattie:  sounds like you have things really goofed up on your system if your user id of 0 is not root
[11:23] <pest_> the hardware of raspeberry is very poor , small ram and cpu
[11:23] <iceroot> pest_: you asked for full hd and it is working (and off topic here)
[11:24] <sburjan`> Hello. How can I see if I have packages installed which have a common name in them ?
[11:24] <k1l_> pest_: again: for ARM questions please see #ubuntu-arm  and ubuntu is not supported on that device
[11:24] <sburjan`> like all the packages that have a certain string in their name
 Yes, I login using cattie(with UID 0), but prompt is    root@ubuntu  not  cattie@ubuntu
[11:24] <reisio> sburjan`: dpkg -l | grep -i string
[11:24] <Dr_Willis> pest_:  for $35 it does quiet well for my video playback needs
[11:24] <sburjan`> reisio: thanks
[11:24] <iceroot> sburjan`: dpkg -l \*searchterm\*   ii= installed
[11:24] <Dr_Willis> cattie:  how did you set cattie to be UID of 0 ?
 <iceroot> cause I need to run  some  java class file
[11:25] <iceroot> cattie: wt....
[11:25] <auronandace> cattie: he ask how, not why
[11:25] <Dr_Willis> cattie:  you realize thats a rather poor reason
[11:25] <iceroot> cattie: please dont do something like that
[11:26] <auronandace> cattie: that was a very silly thing to do
[11:26] <iceroot> cattie: most stupid thing on a GNU/Linux system i ever heard/saw. dont change the user with uid=0 and dont run any stuff as root if it is not needed
[11:27] <iceroot> cattie: could you please paste the output of "cat /etc/passwd" to pastebin?
[11:27] <iceroot> sudo cat /etc/passwd
[11:27] <iceroot> ah without sudo is also fine, its readable
[11:27] <pest_> harware of low cost  with ubuntu installed for a tv hd , i cant buy it in spain only from the chinorris on line and with the risk of the  customs house and lose my money and the hardware ?
[11:28] <Arpad2> system not upgrading to 13.10 with error message http://paste.ubuntu.com/6305749/
[11:28] <oupateddie> when I open a large spreadsheet in 12.04 it seems as if unity crashes. The one moment the top menu is there and then it dissappears as well as the side menu bar... How can I restart unity without rebooting if it is at all possible
[11:28] <iceroot> pest_: #ubuntu-arm for the last time
[11:28] <oupateddie> spreadsheet as in Liber Office Calc
[11:28] <auronandace> pest_: this channel is for dealing with ubuntu issues, not helping you to shop
[11:29] <cattie> I just clean install  12.04 LTS  this afternoon,  so the account are  default UID, then I just modified  cattie UID to 0
[11:29] <wilee-nilee> Arpad2, any ppa's and how are you triggering the upgrade?
[11:29] <rampageRipper> i wanna stop Orca,i'm logged in mate
[11:29] <auronandace> cattie: you should never do that
[11:29] <Arpad2> wilee-nilee: through Settings Manager
[11:30] <Dr_Willis> cattie:   i suggest you make a new user.. and give that user sudo rights liek the system is supposed to worl
[11:30] <wilee-nilee> Arpad2, any 3rd party repos?
[11:30] <Dr_Willis> work
[11:30] <k1l_> rampageRipper: which ubuntu is it exactly?
[11:30] <iceroot> cattie: with a setup like that, your system is a very big security hole
[11:30] <iceroot> cattie: everything is running as root, the x-server, your browser, all programs, the shell
[11:30] <rampageRipper> k11:wheezy
[11:30] <mydog2> anyone here ply with php/pthreads without having to rebuild php from source?
[11:31] <k1l_> rampageRipper: ok, then please see the debian support
 OK, I will change back
[11:31] <pest_> i cant using ubuntu since a pendrive hdmi for my tv hd ???
[11:31] <Dr_Willis> pest_:  that  made no sence what so ever.
[11:31] <Arpad2> wilee-nilee: they were but should be disabled, also have some broken dependancies, how to fix those http://paste.ubuntu.com/6305775/
[11:31] <iceroot> pest_: you are lsitening to what we are saying?
[11:31] <cfhowlett> pest_,  ENGLISH?
[11:32] <k1l_> !spanish | pest_
 I will change my UID to original,  then I will  chmod  java_file.class  to  755,   is  that  OK for normal user like cattie  ?
[11:33] <new0> sha1sum, Dr_Willis, hey i was having problem to load the system again, anyway got my self external HDD now how do i install ubuntu?
[11:33] <wilee-nilee> Arpad2, disabling 3rd parties does not remove the packages which are most likely the errors showing, you familiar with ppa-purge? really what is needed are details for any real help.
[11:33] <Dr_Willis> cattie:  what java_file.class are you taling about?
[11:34] <Dr_Willis> new0:  same as you always install it.. boot a usb or cd/dvd with the  desktop iso on it.. and use the installer app.
[11:34] <Arpad2> wilee-nilee: I tryed to use but ppa-purge, but didn't remove anything
[11:34] <Guest29390> K1l_: thanks nw i got it working
[11:34] <pest_> is there some pendrive wifi hdmi with ubuntu installed for a tv full hd ????
[11:35] <wilee-nilee> Arpad2, how did you use it?
[11:35] <Dr_Willis> pest_:  i doubt it.
[11:35] <reisio> there's probably one or two
[11:35] <reisio> they tend to come with android
[11:35] <k1l_> pest_: last time now: this is not a shopping channel. for ARM questions use #ubuntu-arm , for general shopping advises please use #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:36] <Arpad2> wilee-nilee: for instance , entered this command in the terminal : sudo ppa-purge ppa:http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates/ubuntu
[11:36] <wilee-nilee> Arpad2, That is wrong.
[11:37] <wilee-nilee> !ppa-purge | Arpad2
[11:37] <Guest29390> How to remove outdated gnome shell extension ?
[11:37] <new0> Dr_Willis, right. but i get an error: "No root file system" No root file system is defined. please correct this from the partitioning menu
[11:37] <wilee-nilee> Arpad2, look at the links it is the name of the ppa used not the http
[11:38] <Dr_Willis> new0:  you need to assign / to a partion/filesystem like its saying
[11:38] <new0> Dr_Willis, it's an 1TB WD HDD "My Passport" with 2 partitions
[11:38] <bjackman> Hi there, does anyone know how to manually start the dbus authentication service? What program provides it?
[11:38] <Dr_Willis> new0:  / is the 'root' of the filesystem
[11:38] <wilee-nilee> Guest29390, how is it outdated?
[11:38] <Dr_Willis> ie:  sdb2 gets mounted as /   in the installer  new0
[11:38] <pest_> is there some mark of smart tv with ubuntu like operative system installed?????
[11:39] <new0> Dr_Willis, i don't have this option. where to look?
[11:39] <wilee-nilee> Guest29390, You can do it from their extension site or used the tweak tool called gnome tweak.
[11:39] <Guest29390> wilee-nilee:i dont knw when I checked in gnome shell extension site its saying outdated.
[11:39] <Dr_Willis> new0:  its right there int he installer where you partion the disks - you are doing the 'somthing else/customized' partioning layout?
[11:40] <Arpad2> wilee-nilee: in Other Software, where there is the lis of ppa, the url is given, so isn't that the name?
[11:40] <Arpad2> wilee-nilee: but I don't understand the syntax
[11:40] <wilee-nilee> Guest29390, Or you can just go to .local-share-gnome-shell-extensions and delete it.
[11:40] <PatrickDickey> Arpad2: Which ppa are you trying to remove?
[11:41] <new0> Dr_Willis, right the 'something else' part. i have the sbd1, sbd2 so i choose the sbd2 and click change
[11:41] <wilee-nilee> Arpad2, this link is not clear enough
[11:41] <Dr_Willis> new0:  look in the pul down menus. it asks what to assigne the partion to  / /boot/ /var/ /home/ and so forth
[11:41] <wilee-nilee> http://www.webupd8.org/2009/12/remove-ppa-repositories-via-command.html
[11:41] <Dr_Willis> new0:  you assigne a partion to /
[11:41] <wilee-nilee> Arpad2, http://www.webupd8.org/2009/12/remove-ppa-repositories-via-command.html
[11:42] <pest_> is there some mark of smart tv with ubuntu like operative system installed ????
[11:42] <Arpad2> wilee-nilee: there were 6-7 ppas installed
[11:42] <wilee-nilee> Arpad2, You remove each one individually
[11:42] <cfhowlett> pest_, you were advised that this isn't a shopping channel.  Ask in #ubuntu-offtopic.
[11:43] <PatrickDickey> pest_: Are you asking if there are any smart tv's that run Ubuntu, or at least run Linux?
[11:43] <Arpad2> wilee-nilee: ok
[11:43] <new0> Dr_Willis, Mount point: it's disable for me. also Format the partition: is disable. and of course i don't want to format it if i don't have to. only if i "Use as:" it can give me some to do
[11:43] <Dr_Willis> new0:  err.. theres data on it you want to keep?
[11:44] <new0> Dr_Willis, right now the "Use as:" is on 'do not use the partition'
[11:44] <pest_> i want to know if there hardware of ubuntu made for a tv??
[11:44] <PatrickDickey> !UbuntuTV | pest_
[11:44] <new0> Dr_Willis, there is data. but rather not touch it if not have to
[11:44] <Dr_Willis> new0:  you have us totally confused.. if you are instsalling.. You make a ext2/3/4 partion and assign that to be used as '/' the root of the filesystem
[11:44] <PatrickDickey> The channel listed in there will be your best bet for answers, pest_. Not here.
[11:45] <Dr_Willis> new0:  what filesystem is this usb formated to currently?
[11:45] <reisio> pest_: you might be interested in https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi#Should_I_buy_a_Rasberry_Pi.3F
[11:45] <new0> Dr_Willis, right. it's NTFS
[11:45] <Guest50044> does truecrypt work with ubuntu?
[11:45] <Dr_Willis> new0:  you DONT install to a ntfs partion
[11:45] <reisio> they aren't quite as small as hdmi dongles, but that has its benefits, too
[11:45] <reisio> Guest50044: yup
[11:45] <cfhowlett> Guest50044, yes
[11:45] <new0> Dr_Willis, does ubuntu have to run on EXT2/3/4?
[11:45] <Dr_Willis> new0:  you make a ext2/3/4 partion and install to it
[11:45] <PatrickDickey> Guest50044: yes.
[11:45] <Dr_Willis> new0:  YES...
[11:45] <bekks> new0: Ubuntu has to run on a linux filesystem, yes.
[11:45] <cfhowlett> new0, nope but ext4 is default
[11:45] <Guest50044> thanks
[11:45] <Dr_Willis> or some other linux compatiable filesystem
[11:46] <new0> Dr_Willis, :) ok got ya
[11:46] <wilee-nilee> Arpad2, removing them is the same info as installing them for example this ppa to add it is sudo add-apt-repository ppa:tualatrix/ppa  to remove it is sudo ppa-purge ppa:tualatrix/ppa  https://launchpad.net/~tualatrix/+archive/ppa
[11:47] <new0> Dr_Willis, bekks, cfhowlett, well if i do that i guess i can't use this partition on Win/OS (unless with some specific program)
[11:47] <bekks> new0: Thats correct. And those "specific program" are likely to break that filesystem.
[11:47] <cfhowlett> new0, share a part?  you mean share data?  doable ...
[11:47] <Arpad2> wilee-nilee: so,  if in the list in Other Software is http://ppa.launchpad.net/bumblebee/stable/ubuntu , how do I remove it with ppa-purge?
[11:48] <new0> Dr_Willis, bekks, cfhowlett, do i have to checkbox the "Format the partition:"?
[11:48] <wilee-nilee> Arpad2, The http added there is for you to see the actual ppa not part of any command
[11:48] <bekks> new0: I dont know where you actually are (in which application), so I cant tell you.
[11:49] <new0> Dr_Willis, bekks, cfhowlett, yes to share a data. but it's only 20GB of space. not going to cry on this one :(
[11:50] <new0> Dr_Willis, bekks, cfhowlett, what you mean which application? right now i am on live-cd (USB) and running the installer 12.04 LTS
[11:50] <wilee-nilee> Arpad2, sudo apt-get purge ppa:bumblebee/stable
[11:50] <Arpad2> wilee-nilee: so I  have to find the ppa name first of tha url?
[11:50] <Arpad2> wilee-nilee: ok
[11:51] <Dr_Willis> new0:  dosent really matter.. if you dont have a  device you can partion into ext2/3/4/whatever partions. ;)
[11:51] <wilee-nilee> Arpad2, Go to each ppa, look at the install info as I showed you and use that same info on the purge, it is the ppa past the :
[11:51] <iLoveHim> Is anyone here willing to help me with something ? I would prefer in private, if so, please open a private chat
[11:51] <new0> Dr_Willis, bekks, cfhowlett, well i did not check that check box of the Format and click "Ok" and it's mark the "Format?" column anyway
[11:53] <Arpad2> wilee-nilee: I got this http://paste.ubuntu.com/6305867/
[11:53] <gnuton> Hi
[11:53] <gnuton> what's the status of Ubuntu TV?
[11:53] <new0> Dr_Willis, bekks, cfhowlett, what is that message about swap space? something about memory, do i need to worry about it? 8GB memory
[11:54] <PatrickDickey> !UbuntuTV | gnuton
[11:54] <new0> Dr_Willis, bekks, cfhowlett, * 6GB mem
[11:54] <Dr_Willis> new0:  lets start from the beginning.. You have a external USB Flash drive? its currentlyu formated to a Single NTFS partition?
[11:54] <gnuton> thanks
[11:54] <wilee-nilee> Arpad2, can you find the ppa that is from, problem here is you do not understand the use of ppa's and how to remove them. Honestly you are an an area not supported, you might consider just backing up what yuou need and doing a fresh install.
[11:55] <new0> Dr_Willis, bekks, cfhowlett, external USB yes, NTFS yes
[11:55] <Dr_Willis> new0:  you have backed up ALL the data on that thing?
[11:55] <wilee-nilee> !ppa | Arpad2 notice the unstable
[11:56] <CiSense> hi ... my 13.04 to 13.10 upgrade failed to calculate, do I need to ppa-purge xorg-edgers?
[11:56] <new0> Dr_Willis, no (not really important for me) it's can take 30m to copy that
[11:56] <jasic> guys after I play game extreme tux or chromium-bsd; after exiting, the display gets low resolution
[11:56] <Dr_Willis> new0:  so you have no issue with eraseing the whole thing?
[11:57] <new0> Dr_Willis, only that partition
[11:58] <Dr_Willis> new0:  and how many partions are on the thing now?
[11:58] <new0> Dr_Willis, 2 partition
[11:58] <tron71> Hi
[11:58] <Dr_Willis> new0:  and what filesystems are the 2 partions
[11:58] <tron71> I've just upgraded to 13.10 and the Logout and Shutdown menus do not work anymore
[11:58] <tron71> even if I select one of them, nothing happens...
[11:58] <new0> Dr_Willis, NTFS as right now
[11:59] <Dr_Willis> new0:  well you will need to resize them and make a ext2/3/4 partion for linux and normally a swap partion also
[11:59] <new0> Dr_Willis, 1: 20GB, 2: all the spare
[12:00] <gaz1310> 14.04 channel plz?
[12:00] <new0> Dr_Willis, is that needed or good to have?
[12:00] <lukecarrier> !ppa-purge
[12:01] <Dr_Willis> new0:  you only want to keep the 20gb partion? thats the only one with imporntant data on it?
[12:02] <gaz1310> u dont need web8 repos for ppa purge
[12:02] <gaz1310> sudo apt-get install -y ubuntu-restricted-extras && sudo apt-get install -y --no-install-recommends aptitude dconf-tools p7zip-full ppa-purge
[12:03] <new0> Dr_Willis, sorry: again now i will explain. i have WD 1TB USB3. it's have 2 partitions. 1: almost all the drive, 2: 20GB for the installation. am i understandble now?
[12:03] <Dr_Willis> new0:  you need to make a ext4 partion (the default) to install linux onto.
[12:03] <new0> Dr_Willis, 1: important data NOT TO ERASE. 2: whatever thingsss
[12:03] <Dr_Willis> new0:  so convert the 20gb
[12:04] <Dr_Willis> new0:  if you goof up.. you CAN erase the whole disk..
[12:04] <new0> Dr_Willis, right. and do i have to have the swap thing? what is good?
[12:04] <wachpwnski> can someone help me start a vm with qemu bridged with nat?
[12:04] <Dr_Willis> new0:  make a swap partion if you want.  you can always add a swap file later
[12:05] <jawad> Hi guys I started up Ubuntu LTS for the first time and I cant figure out how to connect to internet?
[12:05] <new0> Dr_Willis, ok. then i will start the installation?!
[12:05] <gaz1310> LTS?
[12:05] <wachpwnski> jawad: you have a plugged in nic or wireless?
[12:05] <wachpwnski> Long Term Support
[12:05] <gaz1310> meh
[12:07] <gaz1310> wach
[12:07] <gaz1310> http://felipec.wordpress.com/2009/12/27/setting-up-qemu-with-a-nat/
[12:08] <new0> Dr_Willis, btw tnx for helping me yesterday and now :)
[12:09] <new0> Dr_Willis, nice change though
[12:09] <new0> Dr_Willis, nice *channel
[12:11] <rintu> hii
[12:11] <wachpwnski> gaz1310: that looks crazy easy
[12:11] <wachpwnski> if my gateway is 192.168.1.1  what should I set my nat on?
[12:12] <rintu> 291.0.0.0
[12:12] <gaz1310> lol
[12:12] <gaz1310> no
[12:12] <Lyut> Hey, does anybody know if there is a way to start the dropbox daemon on startup?
[12:12] <Lyut> without having to go in to terminal and start it manually
[12:12] <rintu> put in on startup
[12:13] <ztane> wachpwnski: nat = netmask?
[12:13] <rintu> program
[12:13] <ztane> wachpwnski: most probably netmask 255.255.255.0
[12:13] <gaz1310> guest: xxx.xxx.00x.00x
[12:13] <gaz1310> oh
[12:13] <gaz1310> yes
[12:13] <wachpwnski> so 192.168.1.0 ?
[12:13] <k1l_> Lyut: that should be automatic if you use nautilus
[12:14] <gaz1310> set it to 2
[12:14] <Lyut> I don't use Nautilus I don't think
[12:14] <wachpwnski> 168.2.0 ?
[12:14] <gaz1310> 192.168.1.2
[12:14] <k1l_> Lyut: which ubuntu is it with which desktop enviroment?
[12:14] <wilee-nilee> !who | gaz1310 wachpwnski
[12:15] <Lyut> 13.1
[12:15] <Lyut> 64 bit
[12:15] <eer> What is the easiest way to find programs  that can be installed from a certain area of interest via terminal? pt-cache?
[12:16] <Lyut> Unity shell
[12:16] <k1l_> eer: apt-cache search
[12:16] <k1l_> Lyut: then it should be automatic if you install dropbox from the repos "sudo apt-get install dropbox"
[12:16] <eer> k1l_, any other way?
[12:17] <Lyut> I did
[12:17] <Lyut> but it's not automatic
[12:17] <Lyut> I have to type ~/.dropbox-dist/dropboxd in whenever I want to launch it
[12:17] <eer> dropbox is not open source, is it
[12:17] <eer> watch out for NSA backdoors
[12:17] <Lyut> I use it for web development
[12:17] <Lyut> idc about NSA with it
[12:17] <Lyut> :P
[12:18] <PatrickDickey> wachpwnski: If your IP Address is 192.168.1.x, then you're already behind a NAT. If you're trying to configure qemu with a NAT interface of it's own, you'll probably want to use something like 192.168.2.x for it's IP Address (internally), and 255.255.255.0 for the netmask (subnet mask).
[12:18] <PatrickDickey> eer: apt-cache search would be the best way to search for programs.
[12:18] <k1l_> Lyut: are you sure its from the ubuntu repos? i just installed a fresh 13.10 and dropbox works fine.
[12:18] <wilee-nilee> Lyut, If you installed it correctly it is in the startup applications and already running.
[12:19] <eer> After having found a program that might suit one's needs with apt-cache search. Is there a way to get a detailed description of the program or do I have to install it first and then read its man page? I mean is there a way to get information about a program before installing it? apt-cache search only provides one line of information.
[12:20] <Lyut> Is there a way I can check?
[12:20] <Lyut> I'm 99% sure I did
[12:20] <gaz1310> sudo apt-get install nautilus-dropbox
[12:21] <kalaka> hello everyone, i have laptop, running ubuntu 12.04, it is automatically ejecting, DVD drive, mostly 3-4 times in a row, how to solve that error, it happens at random intervals after login
[12:21] <PatrickDickey> Lyut: dpkg -l | grep dropbox might show you whether it's an ubuntu version or not.
[12:21] <k1l_> gaz1310: no, that got wrong depencies. dropbox is fine if its installed from the ubuntu repo
[12:21] <wilee-nilee> Lyut, populate the startup applications and look. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ShowHiddenStartupApplications
[12:21] <gaz1310> roger
[12:21] <CiSense> hi ... my 13.04 to 13.10 upgrade failed to calculate, do I need to ppa-purge xorg-edgers and all other ppas?
[12:21]  * PatrickDickey my dpkg -l didn't show anything "ubuntu" about it, but I installed it from their site.
[12:22] <kalaka> but when it happens, it doesn't allow me to push DVD Drive inside, when i push it, it ejects it automatically after one two seconds
[12:22] <kalaka> drive is empty
[12:22] <wilee-nilee> CiSense, Impossible to say really, how many ppa's are there?
[12:22] <kalaka> and it never happens on windows
[12:22] <CiSense> wilee-nilee,  4 including xorg-edgers
[12:22] <Lyut> Ooh it's not in there
[12:22] <Lyut> O.o
[12:23] <wilee-nilee> CiSense, at least impossible without some real details, that you will be lucky if someone wants to walk you through, and ppa's are basically not supported, a bit of a conundrum.
[12:23] <k1l_> Lyut: so you did install it manually?
[12:23] <Lyut> Yeah I guess I did then
[12:23] <Lyut> Sorry I couldn't really remember >.<
[12:24] <k1l_> Lyut: that is the reason then. the ubuntu package manages all startup stuff while installing
[12:24] <Lyut> If I reinstall it do you think that that would work?
[12:24] <CiSense> wilee-nilee, indeed :(   so i cannot upgrade?
[12:24] <kalaka> while running plymouth, i see that, while restarting, it displays some messages  related to shut and then displays plymouth theme, i want login and restart  GUI as much as possible, i mean i don't want these message to appear while login or restart
[12:24] <ikonia> CiSense: the upgrade process says you should remove all PPA's and all software ever installed by PPA's before trying the upgrade process
[12:24] <kalaka> is there any way to update unity, without updating distro
[12:25] <wilee-nilee> CiSense, YOu can do like many of us and figure it out, a statement it can't be is to resolute without ant details.
[12:25] <kalaka> i mean, distro upgrading
[12:25] <CiSense> ikonia, ahh okay thanks, that wasn't clear .. i'll do that
[12:26] <eer> After having found a program that might suit one's needs with apt-cache search. Is there a way to get a detailed description of the program or do I have to install it first and then read its man page? I mean is there a way to get information about a program before installing it? apt-cache search only provides one line of information.
[12:26] <wylde> eer, apt-cache show packagname
[12:26] <CiSense> ikonia, is ppa-purge sufficient?
[12:26] <ikonia> CiSense: I don't believe so as I don't trust the tool, but others disagree.
[12:27] <ikonia> eer: you can only read the information that's in the package, eg: version, description, etc
[12:27] <CiSense> ikonia, so better to remove each ppa package manually with synaptic for example?
[12:27] <eer> ikonia, how?
[12:28] <ikonia> CiSense: or any tool you are comfortable
[12:28] <ikonia> eer: how what?
[12:28] <wylde> eer, apt-cache show packagname <--- I believe will give you the most readable info
[12:28] <CiSense> synapatic works for me ;)
[12:28] <CiSense> synaptic too
[12:28] <eer> wylde, thx
[12:29] <wylde> eer,  welcome
[12:29] <siwica> while installing ghc (make install) my laptop went out of power. When I restarted it it became super slow, my screen resolution is stuck to the minimum (cant increase it), wlan doesnt work anymore...)? How can I repair the system?!
[12:30] <ikonia> siwica: make install on ghc will not change your resolution, you need to find out what's changed, why it's changed and fix it
[12:30] <siwica> any thoughts on how to do this?
[12:31] <CiSense> ikonia, or perhaps it's better to wait for 12.04 and do a fresh install, i really don't want to screw my system
[12:31] <ikonia> siwica: working through one problem at a time, checking the logs is a good start
[12:31] <ikonia> CiSense: wait for 12.04 ? 12.04 has been out for over a year
[12:31] <CiSense> lol oops 14.04
[12:31] <ikonia> CiSense: that's up to you,
[12:32] <CiSense> of course it is
[12:32] <ikonia> CiSense: my only advise I can suggest is don't use PPA's unless you have a real 'need' for them
[12:32] <wachpwnski> gaz1310: does all this in the end need to be echo'd into ip forward?
[12:33] <siwica> ikonia: I there a possibility of repairing the system with a Ubuntu 13.04 CD?
[12:33] <eer> Anybody knows of a program that provides a calendar so one can sync the calendar with all PCs in the home LAN with smart phones and over the internet connecting to one's home server?
[12:33] <CiSense> ikonia, i had a real need .. not sure why i have xorg.edgers perhaps for the AMD driver
[12:33] <wachpwnski> eer: google does it?
[12:33] <ikonia> siwica: you probably won't need a 13.04 cd - you need to understand the problem first
[12:33] <wylde> eer, owncloud?
[12:34] <eer> wachpwnski, I don't want to use any US services (NSA).
[12:34] <eer> I am looking for open source software that I can install on my own machine.
[12:34] <wylde> !info owncloud | eer
[12:34] <eer> wylde, thx. I will check it out.
[12:35] <siwica> ikonia: well since wlan doesnt work, I dont have internet access on that machine at the moment so I was looking for a quick solution
[12:35] <wylde> eer, np :)
[12:35] <eer> wylde, have you used it?
[12:35] <ikonia> siwica: who said you need internet access ?
[12:35] <wylde> eer, nope. I have done just a cursory read through it's webpage. I'm considering it.
[12:36] <eer> wylde, OK.
[12:36] <eer> Has anybody used owncloud ?
[12:36] <ikonia> eer: just ask the real question
[12:36] <LjL> no, no one ever
[12:36] <k1l_> eer: what does it help you if all 1800 users now answer?
[12:36] <ikonia> "anyone got an idea for a product " "own cloud" " has anyone used owncloud" - just ASK wha tyou really want to know
[12:36] <siwica> ikonia: ok, i might not. but since I am not at home and write from a uni machine, I have to find a way here how so solve the issue since I cant ask for help when at my own laptop
[12:37] <ikonia> siwica: you want a %100 solution to fix your laptop when you get home. You've got no internet access, you can't trouble shoot it with us and you've given us no information, - the best solution is "re-install ubuntu cleanly"
[12:39] <siwica> ikonia: ok, sorry that sounded dump. my mistake. I just thought this might have been a common issue since it occured due to an interrupted install process
[12:39] <eer> I want to know whether owncloud is 100% open source and how safe it is to connect to one's own cloud server at home via the internet.
[12:39] <wylde> siwica, and remember to plug in your laptop when doing operations that can cause issues ;)
[12:39] <ikonia> siwica: you where compiling a haskell compiler from source, which failed, that would not change the system to crate the problems you describe
[12:40] <hitsujiTMO> eer: i have used owncloud as a dropbox alternative in the past in my previous job. didn't use the other features tho. works pretty well.
[12:40] <ikonia> siwica: re-install ubuntu - get a clean/stable system then move forward from there
[12:40] <wylde> eer, have a read throught their webpage? You can even download the source and have a look if you want.
[12:40] <sha1sum> hitsujiTMO, wylde: are you still awake or awake again? heh
[12:40] <ikonia> eer: %100 open source ??? it says it on the web page
[12:40] <wylde> sha1sum, still awake. Too much pain to sleep
[12:40] <hitsujiTMO> sha1sum: awake again
[12:40] <ikonia> eer: how safe is it - it's your own lan, so it's as safe as YOU make it
[12:40] <sha1sum> :(
[12:40] <siwica> ikonia: this would be an option but I would have to install all my programs again manually?!
[12:40] <ikonia> eer: based on the questions you are asking, I would suggest not running something like this as it is likley you will open a security risk
[12:41] <ikonia> siwica: manually ? you're asking questions I have no idea to the answer, I don't know what you've installed or how you've installed it
[12:42] <eer> ikonia, i meant it is apache based and requires an open port to the internet.
[12:42] <eer> or more than one port?
[12:42] <wylde> eer, if you want it to be open to the internet it does.
[12:42] <hitsujiTMO> eer: hppt or https must be open
[12:42] <ikonia> eer: apache based ? apache is a web server....
[12:42] <sha1sum> siwica: do you have any wlan devices listed when you run iwconfig?
[12:42] <ikonia> eer: if you want to connect to from the internet...it will require an open port of some sort.
[12:42] <ikonia> eer: I suggest reading the documentation on a product before even considering using it
[12:43] <siwica> ikonia: ok, sorry. I have installed a whole bunch of programs using aptitude/apt-get. I would appreciate an option where I could keep these programs and just replace the system files. It might sound dumb but I am quite new to Linux and can't really afford taking a day off just to reinstall them all.
[12:43] <ikonia> but again - I advise you not to run this as it sounds like you are going to open a security risk
[12:43] <siwica> sha1sum: I will check that when I am at home!
[12:43] <ikonia> siwica: nothing wrong with being new, yes, you'll need to re-install them, and keeping them would be unwise as you don't know what you've broken
[12:43] <ikonia> siwica: clean install - and pay attention to what's happening on the machine going forward
[12:44] <sha1sum> siwica: also when you say your display is at the lowest resolution I'm assuming you're talking about some kind of X (GUI) session?
[12:44] <siwica> sha1sum: Dont know what that is?
[12:44] <sha1sum> siwica: basically you have graphics not just a command line right?
[12:44] <siwica> sha1sum: Also the system is incredibly slow
[12:45] <siwica> sha1sum: Yes I do!
[12:45] <sha1sum> siwica: GUI == "Graphical User Interface"
[12:45] <siwica> sha1sum: I was just confused by the X, but sure I know what GUI is
[12:46] <wylde> siwica, I'd wonder if the HD didn't get damaged with power loss if it failed to shutdown correctly
[12:46] <sha1sum> siwica: X is short for X Org, which is the standard GUI that runs on Linux
[12:46] <Guest45427> hello there.. i just switched to ubuntu, and whenever i maximize a window on my second screen, it ends up maximized on my first screen.. when i unmaximize it again, it pops on the second screen again.. ive been searching for solutions and only find a lot of bug reports (some from 2012) and was wondering.. is there no solution to this?
[12:47] <Guest45427> oh yeah, using ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[12:47] <siwica> wylde: possibly. Any way to find out?
[12:48] <wylde> !fsck > siwica
[12:48] <ikonia> come on
[12:48] <ikonia> blindly telling someone to fsck their disk....
[12:49] <sha1sum> Guest45427: any particular reason that you used an older release when you switched from whatever you were using before?
[12:50] <wilee-nilee> siwica, Might I say, you have been helped by an experienced user, a moderator here, do not just think anyone who will post to you is of any real help here.
[12:50] <sha1sum> siwica: do you have a machine at home that *does* work? Ideally you could have the machine next to you so that you could run some stuff, check the results, and find out more information for us to assist you with.
[12:52] <sha1sum> *crickets*
[12:53] <siwica> wylde: I will try fsck I think (got some instructions via pm) and will take my laptop to uni tomorrow if that doesnt help
[12:53] <siwica> sha1sum: this way I can trouble shoot better
[12:53] <siwica> wilee-nilee: ok, thanks! You meant wylde?
[12:53] <Kezako> Hi
[12:54] <sha1sum> siwica: Yeah it's very hard to be able to help just based on knowing what you've told us because we'd need pretty detailed information to further assist most likely :)
[12:54] <wilee-nilee> siwica, Just in general, what ikonia has told you is solid information.
[12:54] <wylde> siwica, no not me, Ikonia.
[12:55] <tanr0> im trying to turn my wireless on with ipconfig wlan0 up but it gives me "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Input/output error"
[12:55] <bekks> tanr0: iwconfig or ifconfig?
[12:55] <sha1sum> siwica: look at it as a learning experience ;) I know I learned most of the important Linux-related information by breaking my own stuff then having to learn how to get out of it.
[12:55] <bekks> tanr0: And did you run it using sudo?
[12:55] <siwica> ok,  thanks for the information so far. It really helps. I am in the middle of a thesis and that is some worst case scenario for me :)
[12:56] <tanr0> bekks yeah using sudo
[12:56] <siwica> sha1sum: that's probably very true
[12:56] <sha1sum> siwica: you should switch your thesis to "repairing ubuntu installations after power loss" lol
[12:56] <Kezako> I have an issue with wubi when I use bcdedit to modify bootmgr, have ever seen this problem ?
[12:56] <Dr_Willis> 'the value of UPS in keeping ones sanity'
[12:57] <siwica> sha1sum: :)
[12:58] <wilee-nilee> Kezako, wubi is not used much and has very few helpers I can only think of one at the ubuntu forums, bcdedit is windows anyway
[12:58] <tanr0> im trying to turn my wireless on with ipconfig wlan0 up but it gives me "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Input/output error" any ideas on how to fix that?
[12:59] <bekks> tanr0: So did you use iwconfig or ifconfig? ipconfig does not exist.
[12:59] <tanr0> ifconfig i meant bekks
[12:59] <bekks> tanr0: Then better use iwconfig for wireless adapters.
[13:00] <tanr0> okay so how do i put it in UP state ?
[13:01] <Kezako> wilee-nilee: yes of course, but I intend to use bootmgr to boot grub4dos, so I check srouce code of wubi to see how it interact with bootmgr, then I do it manually it dosen't work ...
[13:01] <minimec> tanr0: sudo dhclient wlan0, if you configured it right.
[13:01] <bekks> tanr0: Using iwconfig wlan0 up
[13:01] <Kezako> wilee-nilee: I think I have to do the dirty way
[13:02] <Kezako> wilee-nilee: reinstal wubi and replace the root.disk with the old one :(
[13:02] <tanr0> bekks: iwconfig: unknown command "up"
[13:03] <SimonJai> hey guys I want to monitor a director and keep a log of changes
[13:03] <SimonJai> what do you guys recommend?
[13:03] <sha1sum> Alright, so now I'm back to asking my question from yesterday: after installing fglrx X sessions are fine, but I have no TTY sessions (black) or bootsplash. I'm trying to google but really don't know what to search for in google to get the answers I'm looking for. Anyone point me in the right direction?
[13:03] <bekks> SimonJai: inotify.
[13:04] <hitsujiTMO> Kezako: the only advice anyone tends to give here on wubi is to simply "not use it". there's usually better alternatives such as doing an actual install or running it in a virtual machine
[13:04] <SimonJai> does it keep logs?
[13:04] <bekks> SimonJai: You can log its messages.
[13:04] <SimonJai> coool, thanks bekks
[13:04] <tanr0> j
[13:06] <wilee-nilee> Kezako, I would put ubuntu in a partition.
[13:06] <sha1sum> Of course now that I type the question on to IRC I remember that I probably need to blacklist the radeon module.
[13:07] <wilee-nilee> Kezako, Even the designer for wubi states it is for a tryout not regular use.
[13:07] <siwica> can I make a usb stick bootable (to boot ubuntu 13.04 from) if it also contains other files I dont want to delete?
[13:08] <hitsujiTMO> siwica: most usb install creators will not format a usb unless you tell it to (such as unetbootin)
[13:09] <sha1sum> rebooting
[13:10] <tanr0> im trying to turn my wireless on with ipconfig wlan0 up but it gives me "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Input/output error" any ideas on how to fix that?
[13:11] <hitsujiTMO> tanr0: iwconfig wlan0 power on
[13:13] <tanr0> hitsujiTMO: same thing
[13:13] <siwica> hitsujiTMO: do you know a tool for open suse (i am at uni right now)
[13:13] <tanr0> says device not ready when i try to pic it up on network options
[13:13] <bekks> siwica: "unetbootin"
[13:14] <hitsujiTMO> siwica: unetbootin is on all OSs
[13:15] <hitsujiTMO> tanr0: was it working before or is it a newly installed device?
[13:16] <aib> ahh nvm it's /usr/share/debconf/confmodule giving the error
[13:16] <tanr0> hitsujiTMO:  well im using kali linux but i dont get much support on their channel
[13:16] <bekks> tanr0: Well, you dont get support in here too, since this is not a kali linux support channel.
[13:16] <k1l_> tanr0: kali is even not based on ubuntu. please see their support
[13:18] <SimonJai_> bekks: how do I log inotifywait's messages
[13:18] <bekks> SimonJai_: Let them write to a logfile of your choice.
[13:18] <siwica> hitsujiTMO: I dont have root priviliges here, any program that doesnt require installation and that can make my usb stick bootable? :)
[13:19] <SimonJai_> can't run as daemon?
[13:19] <aib> what's wrong here? http://pastebin.com/v58fbq3T -- it prevented me from purging a debian package earlier
[13:19] <hitsujiTMO> siwica: you have to have root priv to install a bootloader
[13:21] <jrib> aib: step back and give context; also pastebin that file
[13:21] <siwica> hitsujiTMO: do they all need to be installed? I mean I can compile and run programs
[13:22] <hitsujiTMO> siwica: the boot loader is what makes the usb bootable, which requires raw access to /dev/sdX
[13:23] <aib> jrib: the context is, I was trying to aptitude purge mumble-django. it gave an error. then I tried apt-get purge. then dpkg -P. then eventually manually running the postrm script which gave the error: http://pastebin.com/28Sj7X7p
[13:27] <rmsilva1973> Anyone knows how to fix the "extension RANDR missing" on Ubuntu 12.10 ?
[13:28] <siwica> hitsujiTMO: ok, thanks!
[13:28] <IL> CIAO
[13:28] <rmsilva1973> I mean, 12.04
[13:28] <IL> !LIST
[13:32] <rmsilva1973> How come this channel have so many participants and so little activity ?
[13:32] <jrib> rmsilva1973: early morning on weekend in the US
[13:32] <Cuppa_coffee> and lurking is quite common on irc
[13:33] <jrib> aib: pastebin yet?
[13:33] <rmsilva1973> I see...
[13:33] <aib> jrib: do you want the source to /usr/share/debconf/confmodule ?
[13:33] <jrib> aib: whatever the first file mentioned in your error was
[13:34] <rannger> test
[13:34] <Cuppa_coffee> succes
[13:43] <jfidqs> hi somebody can help me with texmaker pls ?
[13:44] <k1l_> !details | jfidqs
[13:45] <jfidqs> xubuntu 13.10 an texmaker. I have an indentation in my pdf at page number 2
[13:46] <snql> can I remove /usr/src directory? it's safe?
[13:46] <k1l_> jfidqs: if its latex questions you might better ask in a latex related channel
[13:46] <snql> My /usr/src folder occupies almost 10% of my 10GB harddrive
[13:46] <jfidqs> i don't found it...
[13:46] <eklavya> guys can anybody here tell me why ubuntu-sdk ppa was screwed up for ubuntu 12.04, I need to deply my qt5 app which I could do without a sweat before when there was an ubuntu-sdk ppa
[13:47] <hitsujiTMO> snql: NO IT IT NOT SAFE
[13:47] <jrib> snql: well what's in it...?
[13:47] <k1l_> !alis | jfidqs
[13:48] <hitsujiTMO> snql: can you give us the output of: dpkg --get-selections | grep "linux-header"            and: uname -r
[13:48] <snql> hitsujiTMO << current core is 3.2.0-55-generic-pae, but the folder contains linux-headers-3.2.0-54/
[13:49] <snql> and linux-headers-3.2.0-55 sorces
[13:49] <snql>  
[13:49] <hitsujiTMO> snql: can you run both commands and give me the exact ouput
[13:49] <k1l_> snql: you can remove the older kernel packages: linux-image-..... and linux-header-...
[13:52] <snql> hitsujiTMO << http://pastebin.com/iU0niwxm
[13:55] <hitsujiTMO> snql: sudo apt-get purge linux-headers-3.2.0-54 linux-headers-3.2.0-54-generic-pae
[13:55] <hitsujiTMO> snql: do you only have a 2GB partition for your root?
[13:57] <snql> hitsujiTMO << 10 gb, 3.3 free. I'm looking for what i can remove
[13:58] <bosnjak> hi all
[13:58] <bosnjak> how do i format my SD card again? It is somehow corrupted and it doesnt automount. I see in dmesg this: http://pastebin.com/sLPREMmg  Also, i don't see /dev/sdb in gparted
[13:58] <hitsujiTMO> snql: /usr/src should not be taking up 10% then with only 2 kernel headers installed
[13:58] <michiel__> how to prevent screen lock after idling in ubuntu
[14:00] <hitsujiTMO> bosnjak: that looks like possible physical errors. whats the output of: ls -l /dev/sdb
[14:02] <snql> hitsujiTMO << I found my files - source 3.7 kernel :) all ok
[14:02] <Cuppa_coffee> michiel__, settings, brightness and lock
[14:04] <michiel__> cuppa_coffee thx :)
[14:06] <bosnjak> hitsujiTMO: brw------- 1 root root 8, 16 Lis 26 16:03 /dev/sdb
[14:07] <bosnjak> hitsujiTMO: fdisk lists only /dev/sda partition and hangs. "file -sk /dev/sdb" also hangs and doesn't output anything
[14:08] <hitsujiTMO> bosnjak: are you calling fdisk directly on /dev/sdb with: fdisk /dev/sdb      ?
[14:08] <bosnjak> hitsujiTMO: no, i was "sudo fdisk -l"
[14:09] <hitsujiTMO> bosnjak: try: sudo fdisk /dev/sdb      then
[14:09] <bosnjak> hitsujiTMO: fdisk /dev/sdb hangs, i can't even CTRL+C it
[14:09] <hitsujiTMO> i'd have to presume physical errors then
[14:09] <hitsujiTMO> try the card in another comp ... if the card works its th ecard reader, if it doesnt then its the card
[14:10] <bosnjak> hitsujiTMO: ok, ill try when i get a chance. thank you for your help
[14:11] <manornk> Hi there, I am the CEO at NGO and i want to know is there any way to be partner with ubuntu?
[14:12] <hitsujiTMO> manornk: this is a support channel. you would need to contact canonical
[14:13] <mikolaj_> sometimes ubuntu does not load, my monitor says "no input" and goes to sleep
[14:14] <mikolaj_> how worried should I be? Feels like maybe some day it will not start at all
[14:14] <mikolaj_> and all my stuff will be lost
[14:14] <luminous> trying: service hostname start returns hostname stop/waiting
[14:15] <luminous> what's up with hostname? /etc/hostname has 'host'
[14:15] <luminous> is there a log I can dig into?
[14:16] <hitsujiTMO> mikolaj_: it depends on what the problem is ... if you're afraid of losing data then you should perform a backup. when it happens can you try: ctrl+alt+f1 to see if you get tty terminal?
[14:16] <new0> hitsujiTMO, hey i just installed ubuntu on WD 1TB external USB HDD but it doesn't boot up
[14:16] <luminous> I dont see anythign in /var/log/upstart related to hostname service
[14:16] <hitsujiTMO> new0 in what way doesn't it boot? where does it get stuck?
[14:17] <hitsujiTMO> luminous: what version of ubuntu are you using?
[14:17] <new0> hitsujiTMO, after my laptop boot the BIOS i have black screen
[14:17] <hitsujiTMO> new0 any text at all?
[14:18] <new0> hitsujiTMO, the grub doesn't even displayed
[14:18] <new0> hitsujiTMO, no
[14:18] <luminous> hitsujiTMO: 12.04 lTS, sorry to omit that detail
[14:20] <hitsujiTMO> luminous: the hostname service may not respond to the start command ... what exactly are you trying to do?
[14:20] <Milos> I'm helping a friend install Ubuntu for the first time, helping over the Internet, and after booting from Live USB, it hangs at the purple screen. If booted in safe graphics mode the last thing shown is 'stopping lightdm display manager [ ok ]' - any ideas where to start troubleshooting?
[14:20] <hitsujiTMO> new0: what type of install was it? bios or uefi?
[14:20] <Milos> never mind, just did a USB check and it's corrupt
[14:22] <new0> hitsujiTMO, not sure what u mean. i setup live-cd on perdrive and install ubuntu on my 1TB HDD with 2 partition. the ubuntu is on the second partition 20GB
[14:22] <hitsujiTMO> new0 ... does your other os boot ok?
[14:23] <hitsujiTMO> new0: also, will it boot if the pendrive is in?
[14:25] <new0> hitsujiTMO, no. if i boot with the pendrive then only the first USB is booted, but i don't have any other OS here only the one i just installed on 1TB
[14:25] <new0> hitsujiTMO, on the 2nd partition 20GB
[14:26] <new0> hitsujiTMO, maybe it's not active? i did format the 20GB as EXT4 with / (root)
[14:26] <hitsujiTMO> new0 where did you install grub to?
[14:26] <hitsujiTMO> new0: also i mean, is the OS on the internal drive still working?
[14:29] <new0> hitsujiTMO, i didn't install grub. i just installed ubuntu (just). my internal drive gone (i think) not working
[14:30] <luminous> hitsujiTMO: I control the system through saltstack, and I've got a salt state to control the hostname, and I believe it works. I've had to tweak my first tests.. so now I want to retest with the system as it was. so I'm trying to reset the hostname to 'host' instead of 'host.domain.tld'
[14:31] <hitsujiTMO> new0 grub is the bootloader for ubuntu ... you need to install that to the root of the drive. can you boot the installer again (go to try ubuntu) and we'll see if we can see what went wrong
[14:31] <hitsujiTMO> luminous: to change the hostname use the hostname command: sudo hostname host
[14:32] <new0> hitsujiTMO, i am on try ubuntu right now
[14:32] <new0> hitsujiTMO, any my ubuntu is connected
[14:33] <Guest14229> alright so I ran into a little problem. I am tryying to help a friend give up windows xp. I clean installed for her lubuntu 12.04 on this old toshiba tecra laptop. this thing was designed to run windows 2000 thats how old it is. she claimed she can play candy crush and other facebook games fine before with xp. but on here those games take forever to load and possibly won't load at all. maybe someone can shed some light on what I can do her
[14:33] <Guest14229> e?
[14:33] <luminous> hitsujiTMO: hostname -f says:hostname: Name or service not known
[14:33] <luminous> why's that?
[14:33] <luminous> I think I can retest with your suggestion and removing /etc/hostname though
[14:33] <hitsujiTMO> luminous: luminous because you didnt set your fqdn in /etc/hosts
[14:34] <luminous> ah, ok. ty!
[14:35] <zybil> hi
[14:36] <chaitu> hi
[14:36] <hitsujiTMO> luminous: actually that error should not be coming up either ... it could be the case that saltstack may have taken over the hostname control with its own implementation
[14:37] <new0> hitsujiTMO, ?
[14:37] <hitsujiTMO> new0 ... 2 secs
[14:37] <Trudko> guys I have two monitors. On one side I have full screen youtube video on second one i have editor. If I set video on fullscreen and then click on editor, full screen is canceled(firefox) why is that?
[14:38] <hitsujiTMO> new0: can you give me the output of: lsblk
[14:38] <new0> hitsujiTMO, sure. what part?
[14:39] <hitsujiTMO> new0: all of it: use: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install pastebinit && lsblk | pastebinit
[14:41] <new0> hitsujiTMO, he he :) cool: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6306657/
[14:45] <hitsujiTMO> new0: can you start with these commands: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6306669/
[14:46] <SuperLag> What makes an icon show up on the Launcher? is it an entry in a text file somewhere? (so that those entries could be edited by a script, versus manually adding/removing items)
[14:47] <new0> hitsujiTMO, just copy & paste all in the terminal?
[14:47] <hitsujiTMO> new0: yup that should do it
[14:47] <Radon_3> Hi everyone, I know what I am going to ask is totally off-topic, but I simply know no where else to ask my question, can I ask for help from anyone here?
[14:47] <SuperLag> Radon_3: just ask the question, and find out
[14:47] <Radon_3> Thanks.
[14:47] <new0> hitsujiTMO, ok. why i become root?
[14:47] <new0> hitsujiTMO, anyway i did...
[14:48] <abd-allah> lone@lone-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get upgrade
[14:48] <abd-allah> [sudo] password for lone:
[14:48] <abd-allah> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[14:48] <abd-allah> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[14:48] <abd-allah> how to fix it?
[14:48] <hitsujiTMO> new0: you are root, on the other install now
[14:48] <FloodBot1> abd-allah: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:48] <new0> hitsujiTMO, ah ah ok. now what do i need to do?
[14:48] <hitsujiTMO> new0: try: update-grub && grub-install /dev/sdb
[14:49] <new0> hitsujiTMO, do u want the results?
[14:49] <hitsujiTMO> abd-allah: is sofware center open? or update manager?
[14:49] <hitsujiTMO> new0: might aswell
[14:50] <chro> is there any third-party repo for the latest eclipse version?
[14:50] <ecaz> Does anyone here use Komodo Edit? I'm trying to install it on 13.10 but it's not working
[14:50] <new0> hitsujiTMO, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6306704/
[14:50] <Radon_3> My head (my brain) has become super sensative to my phone. When I talk using my phone my brain sides (either left or right) feel a little like it is under pressure or painful (a little). Now when I told a friend of mine about the issue (an engineer) acted wiered like there was something up with me or my brain. This worries me a lot. Is it normal? What should I do? Could it be for years of being
[14:50] <Radon_3> near my PC and having a headphone up my head?
[14:50] <new0> hitsujiTMO, what did it do?
[14:51] <gordonjcp> Radon_3: it's a sign that you talk to people who annoy you too much
[14:51] <Radon_3> not really
[14:51] <Radon_3> As a mtter of fact I think
[14:51] <Radon_3> It has something to do with magnetic fields and such
[14:51] <hitsujiTMO> new0: should have install grub to the mbr of your external drive... try boot the external on its own again
[14:52] <new0> hitsujiTMO, ok. i will take some commercial break lol :)
[14:52] <Radon_3> Does anyone know a Health IRC channel or something similar?
[14:52] <hitsujiTMO> !alis | Radon_3
[14:53] <romankrv> Hello! I update my Ubuntu server from version 10.04 to 12.04. Main goal was to set new python version from 2.6.4 to 2.7.3.  But default python-version  in Ubuntu 12.04 not set. Upgrade is not change. Can one help me - how to fix in without install source?
[14:54] <ecaz> Anyways, I added export PATH="/home/mysuername/Komodo-Edit-8/bin:$PATH" to my .profile but I still can't run Komodo Edit
[14:54] <Radon_3> Thanks ubottu. a LOT
[14:55] <romankrv> ecaz  Radon_3 : Use emacs and you became : a jedi!
[14:56] <chro> In which directory should I store application that I've downloaded?
[14:57] <ecaz> romankrv, guess I could try Emacs, since this Komodo thing isn't working out
[14:57] <ecaz> And I've always wanted to be a jedi
[14:58] <ankurk> Hey Guys, I am getting LockFile error when restarting Apache2
[14:58] <Radon_3> jedi???????
[14:58] <hitsujiTMO> romankrv: first check if 2.7 is acually installed: /usr/bin/python2.7 --version
[14:58] <Radon_3> What's that?
[14:58] <ankurk> And Here's my conf file.
[14:58] <ankurk> http://apaste.info/3irD
[14:59] <BuFF> hi
[14:59] <romankrv> hitsujiTMO: yes, it exist there!
[15:00] <ankurk> It's saying "Invalid command 'LockFile', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration"
[15:00] <BuFF> who knows how to enable shift+f2 on byobu inside putty?
[15:00] <hitsujiTMO> romankrv: if you want that to take over as the default python then: sudo ln -s /usr/bin/python2.7 /usr/bin/python
[15:02] <romankrv> hitsujiTMO:  Do you guess than my python was install correctly? It only some problem with override slink?
[15:03] <hitsujiTMO> romankrv: its installed correctly, it prob just left 2.6 as default incase it broke any of your existing apps
[15:04] <romankrv> Radon_3: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedi
[15:04] <romankrv> hitsujiTMO: thanks a lot. My dear friend
[15:05] <fourq> Isn't it odd that system notifications are not clickable, and that they fade out just enough to be useless when you hover over them?
[15:05] <BuFF> jou people no-one uses byobu or screen?
[15:06] <fourq> <-- using screen
[15:06] <kostkon> fourq, ubuntu notifications are like that by design
[15:06] <fourq> kostkon: yeah I know, and I think it's odd
[15:06] <BuFF> fourq: maybe u know how to enable window splitting on screen inside putty?
[15:07] <romankrv> ecaz: Yes, you can
[15:07] <UrielVigilant> After a reinstall i cant find xsltproc anymore on ubuntu software center ? Why ?
[15:07] <fourq> BuFF: in putty? no clue
[15:07] <BuFF> fourq: google says to enable xterm r6 on putty but not helping
[15:07] <UrielVigilant> After an Ubuntu reinstall  i cant find xsltproc anymore on ubuntu software center ? Why ? What to do ?
[15:07] <BuFF> fourq: ok :)
[15:07] <fourq> sorry
[15:08] <UrielVigilant> I need it to install the deb packages of my scanner / printer
[15:08] <snyte> hi, could someone help me please, i am having trouble with a wifi key
[15:08] <hitsujiTMO> !find xsltproc
[15:08] <UrielVigilant> !find xsltproc
[15:08] <hitsujiTMO> UrielVigilant: try: sudo apt-get install xsltproc
[15:09] <romankrv> ecaz: for example: what about multi-cursor in your editor? Emacs can!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNa3axo40qM
[15:10] <romankrv> Who use Emacs that He is really and naturally jedi!
[15:11] <new0> hitsujiTMO, still not working
[15:11] <chro> I have a link for an application in /usr/bin  how can I make that application appear when I press the super button and write its name in the launcher ?
[15:11] <hitsujiTMO> new0 still the exact same?
[15:11] <rampageRipper> is there a feature in document viewer by which when activated one could turn pages using left and right arrows?
[15:12] <fathi> hi there
[15:12] <new0> hitsujiTMO, the weird thing is that both of my usb was connected and until i haven't disconnected the 1TB drive my perdrive wont boot. yes exat same
[15:13] <UrielVigilant> !find hibernate
[15:13] <rampageRipper> new0: how much is 1TB usb?
[15:13] <new0> hitsujiTMO, another problem should i mention is: my pendrive doesn't keep all the changes at all. maybe it's the software i was setting up the perdrive?!
[15:13] <ecaz> romankrv, that's pretty cool
[15:13] <UrielVigilant> command pm-hibernate works for me , but i dont have an hibernate button when iam loge in in ubuntu 13.10
[15:13] <UrielVigilant> !find onlive
[15:14] <hitsujiTMO> new0: what version of ubuntu?
[15:14] <new0> rampageRipper, what do u mean? it's 1TB 2 partitions 1: my important data, 2: 20GB (left) my installed ubuntu 12.04.3 (i think)
[15:14] <rampageRipper> new0: i mean how much does it cost?
[15:14] <new0> hitsujiTMO, rampageRipper what is the command to show the ubuntu version?
[15:15] <bekks> new0: lsb_release -a
[15:15] <new0> rampageRipper, cost me 120$ at the time (2.5 years ago)
[15:15] <hitsujiTMO> new0: cat /etc/issue
[15:16] <new0> bekks, tnx. hitsujiTMO , rampageRipper  Ubuntu 12.04.3 LTS
[15:16] <kssmani> hi friends
[15:16] <romankrv> hi
[15:16] <new0> Ubuntu 12.04.3 LTS \n \l hitsujiTMO
[15:16] <jiajunwong> hi
[15:16] <kssmani> i am new to use ubuntu
[15:16] <jiajunwong> ;)
[15:17] <kssmani> which is the best alternative for ms office
[15:17] <romankrv> i am use MacOSX instand
[15:17] <bekks> !best | kssmani
[15:17] <romankrv> ubuntu - only on the server
[15:17] <new0> hitsujiTMO, rampageRipper bekks, well that's 2 issues i am counting. 1: my pendrive does NOT keep changes, 2: after installing ubuntu the HDD does NOT boot even to GRUB
[15:18] <TT_PP_RR> close
[15:18] <kssmani> alternative for ms offive 2010
[15:18] <hitsujiTMO> new0: the usb installer just never created a persistence file.
,well,I come from China,and I 'm using "WPS office",I think it's better than libreoffice
[15:18] <kssmani> alternetive for office
[15:18] <kssmani> 2010
[15:19] <hitsujiTMO> new0: i'm unsure as to why it wont boot from the hdd. seems a little odd
[15:19] <jiajunwong> kingsoft office
[15:19] <jiajunwong> linux.wps.cn
[15:19] <OerHeks> kssmani abiword is great. else see openoffice, libreoffice
[15:19] <new0> hitsujiTMO, bekks, rampageRipper, this is the program i use for the pendrive "Universal-USB-Installer-1.9.4.3.ext"
[15:20] <new0> hitsujiTMO, for me too
[15:20] <new0> hitsujiTMO, bekks, rampageRipper, maybe i should use another problem for the pendrive? or install ubuntu 10.04? i have the original CD
[15:20] <kssmani> open office is not opening the docx file properly
[15:21] <hitsujiTMO> new0 dont install 10.04 ... too old and not supported
[15:21] <romankrv> by by
[15:21] <bekks> kssmani: Nothing but Microsoft Office is offering the .docx format.
[15:21] <new0> hitsujiTMO, alright. than? what can i do? try to fix that? or try another pendrive setup program?
[15:22] <kssmani> i know that
[15:22] <hitsujiTMO> kssmani: if open/libre office has issues with the docx then try jiajunwong's suggestion of kingsoft office
[15:23] <new0> hitsujiTMO, is there a way for me to fix it?
[15:23] <hitsujiTMO> new0 what partition table is used on the 1tb drive? mbr or gpt?     does this give any errors about it being gpt?: fdisk /dev/sdb
[15:25] <new0> hitsujiTMO, sudo fdisk /dev/sdb does not give any result. also isn't gpt working on at least 2TB?
[15:25] <kssmani> thankx for the suggestions freinds
[15:26] <hitsujiTMO> new0 you can setup gpt on any size hdd ... its just needed for uefi or drives greater than 2tb.
[15:26] <bekks> new0: gpt works on all disks.
[15:26] <SuperLag> I'm trying to use gsettings in a script to modify what icons show up on the Unity Launcher. http://paste.ubuntu.com/6306902
[15:27] <hitsujiTMO> new0 what do you mean it does not give any results?
[15:27] <new0> hitsujiTMO, bekks ok. so... :) any advice?
[15:27] <SuperLag> I used gsettings get com.canonical.Unity.Launcher favorites to get that list... and simply removed the items I wanted taken out
[15:28] <new0> hitsujiTMO, http://pastebin.com/HVW51MJw
[15:28] <hitsujiTMO> new0: ok, quit out of that then... its bmr
[15:28] <hitsujiTMO> new0: mbr*
[15:29] <new0> hitsujiTMO, quit out.. meaning? ah ok. so if it's mbr then?
[15:29] <hitsujiTMO> mew0: can't think of what could be causing the failure then. grub is installed to the right drive, so you should at least get that far. maybe a bios limitation is preventing you from booting the partition
[15:30] <boern> who of you has experience with dota 2? because i can launch dota 2 but when i start the game its just black with some glitches.. when i use proprietary drivers i cant even start the game.. i have ubuntu 13.10 and a gtx 260..
[15:30] <boern> dota 2 for steam
[15:30] <hitsujiTMO> boern: also try #ubuntu-steam
[15:30] <new0> hitsujiTMO, is it possible the pendrive setup? about bios i am not sure. because the 1TB it is loaded for the live-cd
[15:32] <hitsujiTMO> new0: i mean some older bioses had trouble booting partitions beyond certain markers (unrelated to the mbr limitation)
[15:32] <OerHeks> boern, maybe you better ask in #ubuntu-steam
[15:32] <Patero> is there a way to make ubuntu server show the list of files with ls in megabytes instead then bytes
[15:32] <boern> i already did :)
[15:32] <boern> thanks
[15:32] <SuperLag> Patero: use the -h switch with ls
[15:33] <jiajunwong> ah...When I using a live CD of ubuntu 12.04.3,I cann't install it into my PC,too.
[15:33] <zykotick9> Patero: try "ls -h" for human readable
[15:33] <jiajunwong> But it works when the CD is 12.04.2
[15:33] <new0> hitsujiTMO, ok. how can i display my laptop version/model?
[15:33] <Patero> fascinating
[15:33] <SuperLag> Patero: If you're looking for things that are taking up disk space... I usually do "ls -lhS
[15:33] <SteveBell> hi all. trying to update a netbook fro m12.04LTS to 13.10. now on 12.10 but running into a black screen when booting
[15:34] <SuperLag> Patero: oops, there's more to that
[15:34] <SuperLag> Patero: If you're looking for things that are taking up disk space... I usually do "ls -lhS | less"
[15:34] <SuperLag> Patero: it puts the largest files at the top of the list
[15:34] <Patero> my gol was to compare a file I have with another one on internet site by exact mb size since on the internet site is listing it as MB
[15:34] <Patero> and my ls was showing bytes
[15:34] <SuperLag> Patero: I create an alias for that, and call it lS. :)
[15:34] <hitsujiTMO> Patero: you can also force a specific size with: ls -l --block-size=M
[15:35] <SteveBell> all I want is to continue the update path to 13.10 but I don't get into ubuntu anymore
[15:35] <SteveBell> it's known that this netboot has boot issues with 12.10 but now what?
[15:35] <hitsujiTMO> new0: usually looking at the base will get you that info? how old is it?
[15:35] <groundnuty_m> hey, I've made some changes using iw dev wlan0 set how do I make them applay after reboot?
[15:36] <new0> hitsujiTMO, it's VPCF12KFX
[15:36] <new0> hitsujiTMO, sony
[15:37] <hitsujiTMO> new0: that aint going to say if its got the issue i'm reffering to or not tho ... usually only way to find out is through running in to the issue ... do you have another external hdd or 8gb+ pendrive you can try and install ubuntu to?
[15:37] <zorael> Is there a tool/script to visualize which packages eat the most disk space?
[15:38] <new0> hitsujiTMO, do u have any idea how can i search for my sony VPCF12KFX problem? extral HDD USB not booting on ubuntu 12.04?
[15:38] <Trudko> guys I have two monitors. On one side I have full screen youtube video on second one i have editor. If I set video on fullscreen and then click on editor, full screen is canceled(firefox) why is that?
[15:38] <bekks> Trudko: Because clicking terminates the fullscreen.
[15:38] <hitsujiTMO> zorael: du -h --max-depth=1     is what i use to track disk usage
[15:39] <new0> hitsujiTMO, i have another HDD 2TB WD Green with Extranal case USB
[15:39] <hitsujiTMO> new0: i'm not sure considering its a very rare case that someone would boot a partition at the end of a drive
[15:39] <new0> hitsujiTMO, but i am really afraid to use that and play the that partitions (right now it's only one partition)
[15:40] <zorael> hitsujiTMO: dh is nice, but I want to see which /packages/ are eating up my disk
[15:40] <new0> hitsujiTMO, what do u mean? end of the drive? 2nd partition?
[15:41] <YoYoYoda> hello
[15:41] <YoYoYoda> i need help with a problem
[15:41] <hitsujiTMO> new0: yes. your boot partition starts 980gb into the drive ... which is very unusual and problematic with some older bioses
[15:41] <hitsujiTMO> !details YoYoYoda
[15:41] <YoYoYoda> kk
[15:41] <hitsujiTMO> !details | YoYoYoda
[15:41] <YoYoYoda> here it comes
[15:41] <odium> hi, I just spent a whole night trying to write a page of html5 with embeded videos, I reencoded a video a dozen times trying to get it right, only to find out that firefox on ubuntu doesn't know how to handle video files for some reason, anyone familiar with this problem?
[15:42] <new0> hitsujiTMO, older? 2010 it's older?
[15:42] <Trudko> bekks, can I turn it off can't I?
[15:42] <new0> hitsujiTMO, that could be ubuntu version  (12.04)problem? or mbr problem?
[15:43] <bekks> Trudko: No, not that I know of.
[15:43] <bekks> new0: Neither nor.
[15:45] <new0> hitsujiTMO, bekks  http://askubuntu.com/questions/304109/are-the-problems-with-installing-ubuntu-to-an-external-hard-drive-fixed-in-ubunt
[15:45] <hitsujiTMO> new0: ok, i meant older than that but ... it can still occur in newer bioses too. its a bios issue. its an old 137GB limit where bios would not boot a partition past that marker
[15:46] <SteveBell> ok, since the 12.10 ruined the booting action, is there any way to install 13.10 without loosing all previous settings?
[15:46] <new0> hitsujiTMO, so.. can i change that?
[15:46] <Trudko> bekks, i hope there is some way
[15:47] <KingCrimson__> I just got a "Your OS is out of date, would you like to upgrade to 13.10" Question is, do I want to do this? Seems like some things would get broken.
[15:47] <YoYoYoda> i have a macbook  pro 5,5/ it wont boot from cd i dont know why/ neither from usb/ as i was just gettin a white desktop, i have taken out the hdd and connected it with my tower. Anyways I installed ubuntu off of my tower and just plugged my hdd back in my macbook pro(precise)/ Grub came up yay/ but i could only start ubuntu goin into recovery mode and then resume to normal boot/ my problem is
[15:47] <YoYoYoda> now that when i install the recommended drivers im aint gettin the system to boot up again
[15:47] <new0> hitsujiTMO, wait. how come the live-cd does boot for me?
[15:47] <test223232323> irc://freenode/%23%23java
[15:48] <new0> hitsujiTMO, also, is it slow down the booting proccess?
[15:48] <OerHeks> new0, maybe the 2nd bios item is your cdrom player with the live cd, as it would not find a boot partition on your ext hdd ( beyond 137 gb)
[15:48] <YoYoYoda> not at all
[15:48] <YoYoYoda> it just stays still by a underline
[15:48] <hitsujiTMO> new0: you cant if its an issue with the bios. (only by repartitioning the drive) ... you can try the boot-repair tool and see if that works. is the live cd installed on a partiton past the 137gb mark in a drive?
[15:48] <YoYoYoda> linkin
[15:48] <YoYoYoda> blinkin
[15:48] <new0> hitsujiTMO, and how can i see the booting sector location? OerHeks
[15:49] <NGabi> test
[15:49] <YoYoYoda> k ill install the livecd on he hdd w dd
[15:49] <YoYoYoda> ty
[15:49] <OerHeks> new0, sudo fdisk -l # and see the '*" flag
[15:50] <SteveBell> I can manage to get into the terminal and login there, but that's all.
[15:51] <SteveBell> so if anybody know how to update to 13.10 from within the termina
[15:51] <new0> OerHeks, not sure i understand u. hitsujiTMO where can i find this tool? and it was installed there, not the ubuntu is installed there.
[15:51] <SteveBell> l
[15:51] <SteveBell> ah "do-release-upgrade" seems to be for that
[15:52] <new0> hitsujiTMO, OerHeks http://pastebin.com/THVqKYqt
[15:53] <OerHeks> new0, sdb2 seems far beyond the 137 Gb
[15:53] <new0> hitsujiTMO, OerHeks ok. for summery: linux will boot only from EXT2/3/4 and if it's an USB it's should be at the begging of the drive. is that correct?
[15:54] <hitsujiTMO> new0: sudo add-apt-repository -y ppa:yannubuntu/boot-repair && sudo apt-get update
[15:54] <lolol> hi there , is there a way to convert flv to avi in linux
[15:54] <hitsujiTMO> new0: sudo apt-get install -y boot-repair && boot-repair
[15:54] <lolol> maybe with a software
[15:54] <lolol> ?
[15:55] <OerHeks> new0, correct, before the 137 gb limit
[15:55] <lolol> if anyone could help just let me know ;)
[15:56]  * YoYoYoda slaps lolol around a bit with a large trout
[15:56] <gordonjcp> lolol: ffmpeg maybe
[15:56] <new0> hitsujiTMO, ok. it's running. now...?
[15:57] <OerHeks> hitsujiTMO, does bootrepair correct that 137 gb limit ?
[15:57] <new0> OerHeks, hitsujiTMO, so i can boot from USB 3rd partition if it's before 137gb limit? and about regular HDD no limit?
[15:57] <NGabi>  	irc://freenode/%23%23java
[15:57] <lolol> thanks gordon :)
[15:58] <hitsujiTMO> OerHeks: no. just getting him to try it too see if it helps with his issue
[15:58] <OerHeks> NGabi, please stop that linking
[15:59] <hitsujiTMO> new0: the 137gb limit is an old bios limitation. it does not matter if booting internal drives or external. if its present, then you must have your boot partition before the limit
[15:59] <new0> hitsujiTMO, do i click the "Recommended repair?
[15:59] <new0> hitsujiTMO, ok
[16:00] <hitsujiTMO> new0: yes just go with the recommended repair
[16:01] <new0> hitsujiTMO, so what basicly it does?
[16:01] <hitsujiTMO> new0: if that doesnt
[16:01] <mOrO^> lolol: no maybes about it............Winff
[16:01] <new0> hitsujiTMO, do u have some link?
[16:01] <mOrO^> lolol: it should be in your repository
[16:01] <new0> hitsujiTMO, if, than?
[16:02] <new0> hitsujiTMO, OerHeks does it say much? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6307085/
[16:02] <hitsujiTMO> new0: it ensures that your mbr is correctly pointing to you grub partition and validates your grub. if that doesn't work try the advanced repair: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[16:02] <new0> hitsujiTMO, tnx
[16:03] <Daemoen> attempting to cleanup jdk installations, so have run the following via the cli
[16:03] <OerHeks> mOrO^, WinFF is just a GUI for the command line video converter, FFMPEG
[16:04] <mOrO^> OerHeks: well, if he needs to ask, he needs a GUI :)
[16:04] <Daemoen> ( which works ) dpkg -l *jdk* | grep -E "^ii" | awk '{print $2" "}' | tr -d "\n" | while read jdk; do echo "apt-get remove $jdk"; done      when i wrap it in a simple .sh it no longer functions; curious why
[16:05] <OerHeks> mOrO^, and ffmpeg is not being developed anymore and it suggests avconv instead.
[16:05] <PatrickDickey> Daemoen: You might want to ask that in #bash since it's a scripting question.
[16:05] <Daemoen> ahh, think i figured out why, doh
[16:06] <Daemoen> PatrickDickey: yeah, i just realized it was the bash side acting up and its probably the tr -d '\n'; since im removing all newlines, it never actually sends on to the pipe
[16:07] <PatrickDickey> So Daemoen, will your script remove all (Open and Oracle) jdk's or just older ones?
[16:07] <cer> hi everybody how do you sandbox an application on kubuntu / ubuntu? and how do you control the prequency of the processor? All the previous tools and toys do not work anymore (indicator-cpufreq, cpufreq and so on)
[16:07] <Daemoen> PatrickDickey: all.  there are conflicts,  im just doing this as the cleanup phase, our ansible management will go in afterward and reinstall the open correctly
[16:07] <testpil0t> Daemoen,
[16:07] <testpil0t> dpkg -l *jdk* | grep -E "^ii" | awk '{ print $2 }' | xargs apt-get --dry-run remove
[16:07] <testpil0t>  ?
[16:08] <testpil0t> (omit the --dry-run)
[16:08] <bekks> cer: If you want to sandbox an application, either use chroot or set it up in a vm.
[16:08] <Daemoen> testpil0t: yeah, was trying to do it as one apt-get instead of feeding it individual lines
[16:08] <testpil0t> about your .sh file. Did you specifiy the shell ?
[16:08] <testpil0t> Daemoen, it is one apt-get
[16:08] <testpil0t> (try it)
[16:09] <cer> bekks: it sounds a bit of an overkill .... what happened to ulimit, cpupower, cpufreq, cgroup
[16:09] <Daemoen> sweet, works for me.  tnx
[16:10] <Daemoen> so apt-get will accept a list with new line delimiter?
[16:10] <testpil0t> seems, yes
[16:10] <EugeneK> Hello. I use now kUbuntu 13 04 from Live USB and i can't install flash player. I only started learn Linux. Anyone help me?
[16:10] <Daemoen> cool.  good to know for future use :)
[16:10] <Daemoen> tnx
[16:10] <bekks> cer: ulimit does not sandbox at all and still exists. Never heard of cpupower, and cgroups are in use in current kernels, along with cpufreq.
[16:11] <cer> bekks: mmmm .... nope, cpufreq is not working
[16:11] <testpil0t> EugeneK, what did you do. and what does "i cant install" mean ?
[16:11] <cer> bekks: was working on previous releases
[16:11] <new0> hitsujiTMO, have u seen the report?
[16:11] <testpil0t> you dont know how t o ? Or does the install fail ?
[16:11] <hitsujiTMO> new0: yes ... have ro rebooted?
[16:11] <Ionut> hi, how to resolve this: gzip: stdout: No space left on device
[16:11] <new0> hitsujiTMO, not yet
[16:12] <testpil0t> Ionut, free some space then
[16:12] <hitsujiTMO> new0: then reboot and see if it works now
[16:12] <bekks> Ionut: Free up space.
[16:12] <cer> bekks: in other words, if you have an applications that is somewhat unstable and you need to run for testing, is there a way to limit the accessible resources (if you prefer)? ulimit culd be used that way.
[16:12] <EugeneK> testpil0t i can't see flash player installer in Muon Software center. where else i can download flash player?
[16:12] <bekks> cer: thats resource limitation, and it works using ulimit - still - and not sandboxing.
[16:12] <Ionut> testpil0t & bekks: how :)) i'm new on ubuntu :)
[16:12] <new0> hitsujiTMO, ok
[16:12] <cer> bekks: what do you mean?
[16:12] <bekks> cer: ulimit still works perfectly.
[16:13] <testpil0t> Ionut, delete some files
[16:13] <UrielVigilant> After reinstall Ubuntu 13.10 with erase disk option, iam dont able to find lsb on ubuntu software center
[16:13] <UrielVigilant> I need it to install epson driver i have
[16:14] <testpil0t> EugeneK, you have to enable restricted items in the software center
[16:14] <luminous> hello! I'm trying to run pycharm in vnc. I can run it fine on the host system, but when run over vnc, it doesn't seem to find the correct display. any idea on how I can tell pycharm to connect to Xvnc?
 Not yet. plz tell me how to enable
[16:15] <hitsujiTMO> UrielVigilant: try with apt-get
[16:15] <IAmNotARobot> Hi
[16:16] <IAmNotARobot> What are the main changes brought in by 13.10?
[16:16] <UrielVigilant> hitsujiTMO:    sudo apt-get -f install lsb       ?
[16:16] <EugeneK> in Software center, when  i wrote in search, "Flash" there is not flash player in list.
[16:16] <hitsujiTMO> !13.10 | IAmNotARobot
[16:16] <UrielVigilant> dir
[16:16] <hitsujiTMO> UrielVigilant: you can simply do: sudo apt-get install lsb
[16:16] <IAmNotARobot> ty
[16:16] <odium> how can I make firefox understand that x264 encoded mp4s should be played
[16:16] <Ionut> testpil0t: Usage of /:   2.8% of 457.18GB & => /boot is using 99.1% of 227MB
[16:17] <odium> if it works fine in windows?
[16:18] <Gallomimia> odium: that's part of ff settings window
[16:18] <luminous> no one uses Xvnc? :P
[16:19] <hitsujiTMO> Ionut: you need to purge old kernels: whats the output of: uname -r      and: dpkg --get-selections | grep "linux-image"
[16:19] <Gallomimia> the applications tab
[16:19] <odium> luminous: I do extensively
[16:19] <s1lv3r0> s
[16:20] <s1lv3r0> !list
[16:20] <cer> bekks: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ does not even exist anymore .... how could cpufreq work?
[16:20] <bekks> luminous: Maybe no one uses pycharm.
[16:20] <luminous> turns out it is a java app
[16:21] <bekks> cer: Which kernel do you use?
[16:21] <luminous> so maybe java will respect $DISPLAY
[16:21] <hitsujiTMO> cer: the governor has changed is all
[16:21] <Gallomimia>  aw .
[16:21] <cer> bekks: 3.11.0-12-generic
[16:21] <cer> hitsujiTMO: what do you mean?
[16:22] <luminous> hrm. almost.
[16:22] <cer> hitsujiTMO: how do you manually control the frequency now? how do you change the governor manually now?
[16:22] <Ari-Yang> !xfce
[16:22] <hitsujiTMO> Ionut: sudo apt-get purge linux-image-3.2.0-29-generic-pae linux-image-3.2.0-36-generic-pae linux-image-3.2.0-37-generic-pae linux-image-3.2.0-38-generic-pae linux-image-3.2.0-39-generic-pae linux-image-3.2.0-41-generic-pae  linux-image-3.2.0-45-generic-pae linux-image-3.2.0-48-generic-pae linux-image-3.2.0-49-generic-pae
[16:22] <Ionut> hitsujiTMO: 10x
[16:23] <IAmNotARobot> I tried removing XFCE and now Im stuck with the xfce loading screen at boot time
[16:23] <IAmNotARobot> ffs
[16:23] <smjd> Why is aptitude so eager to remove everything when I'm trying to install something?
[16:23] <hitsujiTMO> cer: i dont know the specifics of the change but inducator-cpufreq works on the new kernel
[16:23] <inahd> hello ubuntu
[16:23] <Ionut> hitsujiTMO: http://pastebin.com/kx6X3jUw  :|
[16:24] <hitsujiTMO> Ionut: try: sudo apt-get -f install
[16:24] <inahd> no one could help me in the linuxmint forum, after installing i am brought to this EFI shell "device mapping table" blah blah blah
[16:25] <hitsujiTMO> ionut: then run that last line again
[16:25] <hitsujiTMO> !mint | inahd
[16:25] <inahd> dang
[16:25] <bob__> Just did a fresh install of 13.10 . I'm having troubles with my dual monitor display where X hangs sometimes when dragging a window to the top edge to maximize. Has anyone expireanced this?
[16:26] <inahd> yeah mint forum had nothing to suggest...
[16:26] <Ionut> hitsujiTMO: http://pastebin.com/rDE1ZQbq again gzip: stdout: No space left on device
[16:26] <hitsujiTMO> inahd: then maybe you should install an operating system that has support
[16:26] <cer> hitsujiTMO: actually it does not, nor does cpufreq-utils work (or I would not have come to the room)
[16:27] <hitsujiTMO> cer: it is working for me without a problem ... must be an issue with your setup
[16:28] <hitsujiTMO> cer: what cpu are you using?
[16:28] <cer> hitsujiTMO: I do not really think so .... I have reinstalled from scratch.
[16:28] <cer> hitsujiTMO: x7900 extreme unlocked
[16:28] <cer> hitsujiTMO: and that has always worked (using cpufrequtils for example)
[16:30] <hitsujiTMO> ionut: ok, you can try moving out some of the older kernels from /boot manually to make space ... then run sudo: apt-get -get -f install
[16:31] <hitsujiTMO> cer: maybe you should report this as a bug. support for your cpu may be missing in the kernel
[16:32] <DreamPCs> Hey guys, hopefully this is a quick fix but how do I add an extension to all files in a particular folder?
[16:32] <DreamPCs> All the files currently do not have a extension, I just need to add one.
[16:32] <DreamPCs> Preferably I can do them all at once instead of one at a time. (It's the same extension I need to add to all of them.)
[16:32] <cer> hitsujiTMO: do you mean the kernel developer have intentionally removed support for a cpu from the kernel (that was actually supported)?
[16:32] <jhutchins> DreamPCs: Files don't really need extensions in *nix.
[16:33] <jhutchins> DreamPCs: you could probably do a find loop to rename them, or there's a bulk-rename script.
[16:33] <hitsujiTMO> cer: not intentionally, it seems there were changes to the governor and your cpu may have been affected by the changes
[16:33] <DreamPCs> Well XBMC won't play my mp3 files unless they have the extension
[16:33] <DreamPCs> I coped the files from one XBMC to another (from an original Xbox to a machine running XBMCbuntu)
[16:33] <cer> hitsujiTMO: can I read anywhere about these changes to the governor, because i haev been googling around for a week now.
[16:34] <DreamPCs> But for some reason the extensions didn't copy over.
[16:34] <jhutchins> hitsujiTMO: So we have someone besides AMD & Intel making new CPUs with different specs now?
[16:35] <bekks> hitsujiTMO: If support would be missing, that thing wouldnt even boot linux.
[16:36] <hitsujiTMO> jhutchins: cer: no i mean the changes are made to how you can interact with the governor: considering /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ does not exist anymore
[16:36] <cer> bekks: that is actually incorrect. It could be missing support for frequency adjustement, but have support for the generic X86_64.
[16:36] <cer> hitsujiTMO: yes, but where can we find any information about these changes? I cannot actually find anything anywhere.
[16:37] <hitsujiTMO> cer: i'm unsure: your not the first to have brought up the issue in here. however you are the first that the tools wont work with whatever changes have been made
[16:38] <lolol> when using winff , you cannot open the avi file before it completely converts from flv to avi ??
[16:38] <ankrj> Hello, can anyone tell me how I can apply for the Ubuntu Server membership on Launchpad?
[16:39] <cer> hitsujiTMO: are you sure? there was another discussion around a few days ago and he / she did not seem to haev it solved at all.
[16:40] <hitsujiTMO> cer: yes, he returned after his issue was fixed with installing indicator-cpufreq
[16:40] <Ionut> hitsujiTMO: /dev/sda1                  233191    27077    193673  13% /boot
[16:40] <Jeeves_Moss> how can I make sure that a service restarts if it crashes?
[16:41] <testpil0t> Jeeves_Moss, as the easiest way, i'd just write some cronjob, which periodically checks it
[16:41] <OerHeks> lolo you can try, but i would wait for it to finish
[16:42] <lolol> OerHeks : it seems it doenst open at all
[16:42] <lolol> in the process of convertion
[16:42] <OerHeks> lolol logically it cannot, as it grows per second
[16:42] <hitsujiTMO> Ionut: have you tried: sudo apt-get - install      now?
[16:42] <hitsujiTMO> Ionut: have you tried: sudo apt-get -f install      now?
[16:43] <lolol> oh ic
[16:43] <lolol> it takes quite a long time to finish the convertion right?
[16:44] <Ionut> hitsujiTMO: i user webmin interface for update/upgrade and it's work
[16:44] <OerHeks> lolol depends on your cpu power, but yes, 2-3-4-5 times the length of the video
[16:45] <OerHeks> lolol i have seen a macbook pro converting on-the-fly, with a 4-core and CUDA
[16:46] <Gallomimia> alright. what process is responsible for all those popups in the top right for so and so online and volume up down and all that garbage? second question: how do i kill it dead, and configure it never to return?
[16:47] <UrielVigilant> my ubuntu 13.10 is hibernating normal with :   sudo pm-hibernate but how to make it appear a button to hibernate on menu ?
[16:47] <eer> Where are the vars actually stored that can be revealed via env or set?
[16:48] <Gallomimia> eer you mean on the command line?
[16:48] <eer> Gallomimia, yes
[16:48] <Gallomimia> in the program memory for bash, my theory is heap side
[16:50] <eer> Gallomimia, but they must be stored somewhere on the disk, so they are available after the next reboot
[16:51] <hitsujiTMO> eer: they are not 'stored' in disk, many of the vars are initialised during boot and login by various scripts
[16:51] <jhutchins> eer: They are in various scripts and profiles, /etc/profile, /etc/bashrc, etc. depending on which shell you use.
[16:52] <hitsujiTMO> eer: is there a particular var you are interested in changing?
[16:53] <eer> I know in /etc/profile ~/.profile /etc/bashrc and ~/.bashrc but do those cover all that can be shown with env or set?
[16:53] <PatrickDickey> If you want to change a var for your user only, it would most likely be in .bashrc or .profile inside of your /home/user directory though.
[16:54] <wrl_> Has anyone had trouble upgrading from 13.04 to 13.10?  I'm trying to decide if I should file a bug report and if it would even be possible to supply the necessary information for a bug report.
[16:54] <rosco_y> How can I record a desktop session (console application + audio to speakers) to a ogg file?
[16:54] <hitsujiTMO> eer: no, there are many other places where vars get set.
[16:54] <hitsujiTMO> wrl_: whats the exact issue?
[16:54] <jhutchins> wrl_: Yes, lots of people.
[16:55] <PatrickDickey> eer: I think if you tell us which vars you want to set specifically, we'll probably be able to tell you where to set them.
[16:55] <rosco_y> wrl_: My upgrade went very smooth, I'm glad I did it
[16:55] <eer> I want to know how I can find out where to change a var permanently that I can see with the set command. In general.
[16:55] <jhutchins> eer: There's also /etc/profile.d
[16:55] <Gallomimia> eer: the best thing to do is read the man for your shell program and watch for all the initialization scripts it mentions, then read all those scripts and look for references to other scripts
[16:55] <eer> I want to know where I can look it up rather than asking for every single var.
[16:56] <Gallomimia> wrl_: yup. i had trouble but the installer fixed it itself...
[16:56] <rosco_y> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnvironmentVariables
[16:56] <pcoder> Hi, I am on ubuntu 12.04 and I have problems with sound. It works fine in a Gnome session. Could someone please help?
[16:56] <bekks> eer: You cant look it up since it depends on the variable, where to change it.
[16:56] <eer> Can one search the man pages for vars?
[16:56] <testpil0t> eer how you mean ?
[16:57] <testpil0t> you can search like you do when using less
[16:57] <PatrickDickey> eer: http://askubuntu.com/questions/164586/environment-variables-where-are-they-stored-by-linux-how-do-i-change-them-and might give you something useful
[16:57] <wrl_> I upgraded in stages from 12.04LTS and received an error that a program failed to install (lpsd of some such, I can check the log). The 13.04 upgrade seemed to work fine.  When I tried to upgrade to 13.10 the upgrader just vanished part way through.  Since it was setting up I figured that it probably completed and tried to reboot.  Bad decision!
[16:57] <eer> rosco_y,  thx. Great link.
[16:58] <eer> PatrickDickey, thx
[16:58] <Jpmh> what file contains the ipv4 settings for my wirless connections.  I can change them by right-clicking on the nm-tool but would like to access the file directly
[16:59] <PatrickDickey> Jpmh: /etc/network/interfaces would be the place. But, if you're using network manager, you make the changes in it instead. They won't necessarily show up in that file.
[17:00] <jhutchins> Jpmh: I think NM stores them in a hidden folder in $HOME
[17:00] <eer> Thx all.
[17:01] <Ace> !help mkdir
[17:01] <jhave> Hello
[17:01] <Ace> Hi
[17:01] <jhave> I have a problem whit apt-get
[17:02] <wrl_> like what
[17:02] <jhave> i got this error http://paste.jdh.dk/19
[17:02] <MonkeyDust> jhave  let's hear it
[17:02] <Ace> how to create file name with space in CLI
[17:03] <Gallomimia> quotes or backslash escaping
[17:03] <Ace> mkdir filename\ second ?
[17:03] <labcoattech> hi all
[17:03] <neurochrome> Can't seem to find any information on whether you can turn the autohide feature OFF for the Global menu in 13.10 (with additional tweak software).  Is this possible?
[17:03] <jhave> ace, touch "file name" ?
[17:03] <MonkeyDust> Ace  try blah\ blah2
[17:03] <eer> control+k deleted from the cursor position to the end of the line. What was the key combination again to delete form cursor to the end of the next word?
[17:03] <Gallomimia> examples given.
[17:03] <labcoattech> I have just installed ubuntu 13.10 x64 on a ssd drive, how can I check to see if trim is enabled and working
[17:03] <Ace> yess..! fixed
[17:04] <Ace> Thx jhave MonkeyDust
[17:04] <Ace> i spend 15 min to find out in google
[17:04] <jhave> no problem :)
[17:04] <MonkeyDust> jhave  sudo apt-get update first
[17:04] <Gallomimia> ace search for a book titled "The Linux Command Line" or TLCL
[17:04] <Gallomimia> free to download. take a course at your own pace to teach extensive bash usage
[17:05] <MonkeyDust> books are so 1980's
[17:05] <jhave> MonkeyDust, i have do "apt-get update & apt-get upgrade"
[17:05] <Gallomimia> but it's not really a book. it's a pdf file
[17:05] <Ace> The Linux Command Line by By William Shotts
[17:05] <Ace> ?
[17:06] <jhave> There are a lot of books
[17:06] <Gallomimia> can't remember the author's name alas, but probably. there's only one out there
[17:06] <Ace> ok
[17:06] <Ace> Thxx!!
[17:06] <Gallomimia> this one's particularly good for the command line basics
[17:06] <PatrickDickey> Jpmh: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkManager#Editing_Network_Settings_in_GConf or maybe https://wiki.gnome.org/NetworkManager/SystemSettings
[17:07] <jhave> MonkeyDust, have you an ide to solve the error ?
[17:07] <caloda> hi
[17:08] <caloda> how do I download javascript for ubuntu?
[17:08] <MonkeyDust> jhave  no, sorry
[17:09] <MonkeyDust> caloda  javascript is a server-side language, not something you download... start from the beginning, what goes wrong
[17:09] <MonkeyDust> client-side*
[17:10] <Carao> Um, hello, I'm on Lubuntu 13.10, basically, I have a Motorola SD5102 Cable Modem which has no port forwarding capabilities nor firewall, it's just a modem, ufw is disabled and I can download torrents just fine at normal speeds however any and all listening ports for Transmission 2.82 I've tried seem to be closed (confirmed by canyouseeme.org)
[17:10] <Carao> this is something related specifically to either Transmission or Lubuntu given the fact that everything was working fine a few days ago when I was still running utorrent and windows
[17:11] <Gallomimia> 5102 gives you a pure public ip
[17:11] <Gallomimia> very valuable. plus you can flash them
[17:11] <gordonjcp> Carao: so the machine you've got it hooked to, that has a real live IP address and you're not behind NAT?
[17:11] <dab> Carao: can you telnet from your linux box to the port you need open?
[17:11] <Carao> um, what? I'm a noob, sorry
[17:12] <Gallomimia> open terminal and type ping localhost port
[17:12] <gordonjcp> Carao: is this the machine you're connected from, right now?
[17:12] <Gallomimia> for the port number that transmission is listening on
[17:12] <Carao> gordonjcp: yes
[17:12] <Carao> Gallomimia: ok
[17:12] <wNz> if you can ping a port i'll eat my hat
[17:12] <gordonjcp> Carao: aren't you running CentOS?
[17:12] <Gallomimia> did i say ping? i meant telnet :(
[17:12] <wNz> :)
[17:12] <wNz> hehe
[17:13] <Gallomimia> ta very much
[17:13] <Carao> gordonjcp: no, at least I don't think so since I don't even know what that is
[17:13] <dab> anyone know much about LVM on raid? i booted from an install USB but pvscan says no physical volumes found .. the LVM is already there and i can boot from it - i want to try resizing partitions and i have to boot from the install USB
[17:13] <Gallomimia> wNz i almost added the -c flag with a reasonable number like 3
[17:13] <wNz> heh
[17:13] <MonkeyDust> dab  is that a server? if yes, try asking in #ubuntu-server
[17:14] <bekks> dab: you have to assemble the raid manually.
[17:14] <dab> MonkeyDust: will do - thanks
[17:14] <wNz> dab: wat. lvm raid? like, the raid type, or built on top of a raid? is the usb the volume you're looking for? is this software raid? dmraid?
[17:14] <Carao> Gallomimia: says "connected to localhost"
[17:14] <Gallomimia> success.
[17:14] <Gallomimia> now find your public ip by typing "what is my ip" into google and do telnet thatip thatport
[17:14] <dab> wNz: there is a 4 drive raid 10 that is a hardware raid ... then there is an LVM on top of that
[17:14] <Gallomimia> ctrl C to quit the telnet program within terminal
[17:15] <Carao> 'k
[17:15] <hitsujiTMO> carao: what is the output of: ifconfig
[17:15] <wNz> dab: hardware raid should be assembled at boot time. do you see the array?
[17:15] <Gallomimia> (don't paste that in here. use pastebin)
[17:16] <Carao> still trying with telnet myip, sorry for the delay
[17:17] <caloda> MonkeyDust: I remember you should download something for use javascript
[17:17] <Gallomimia> Carao what hitsujiTMO asked you for is also very useful in finding out what your network looks like so we can tell whats going on
[17:17] <dab> wNz: if i do 'frisk -l' i see 3 disks ... /dev/mapper/isw_.....RAID1, RAID2, RAID5
[17:17] <wN> dab: i would use the 'pvs -a' commadn to check to see if your array is listed. if it is not, it will never be seen
[17:17] <caloda> how do I download javascript for ubuntu?
[17:17] <caloda> iced?
[17:18] <hitsujiTMO> caloda: what exactly do you need javascript for?
[17:18] <wN> dab: i believe that indicates you're using firmware raid (not hardware). it's built in /dev/mapper/? gross
[17:18] <Gallomimia> caloda such software does not exist. what are you trying to do? javascript is enabled by default in firefox
[17:18] <caloda> hitsujiTMO: for firefox
[17:19] <wN> dab: i would use pvs -a to see if it's listed there (it shoudl list all available devices). if its not, lvm will never see it
[17:19] <dab> wN: in pas -a, i see the devices ... /dev/dm-0 -1 and -2 ... if i ls -l /dev/mapper, those 3 raids link to those /dev/dm-0 etc
[17:19] <hitsujiTMO> caloda: javascript os built into firefox  ... do you mean "java"
[17:19] <Carao> Gallomimia and hitsujiTMO, yeah, but the console just said "unable to connect to remote host - connection timed out" just this second, hence the delay
[17:19] <Carao> let me do the ifconfig thing
[17:19] <caloda> Gallomimia: no its not. not working for me
[17:19] <caloda> ?
[17:19] <wN> dab: can you pastebin the output?
[17:19] <caloda> hitsujiTMO: yes java
[17:20] <Gallomimia> this means that something's blocking the port
[17:20] <Gallomimia> that's different.
[17:20] <hitsujiTMO> caloda: java is not the same thing as javascript :P  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[17:20] <wrl_> isn't java part of the basic installation?
[17:20] <Carao> hitsujiTMO: http://pastebin.com/jYkrjpsf
[17:20] <Gallomimia> i seem to remember having to do something to get it working
[17:20] <hitsujiTMO> wrl_ no
[17:20] <dab> wN: ya just a sec
[17:21] <Iordanis> hello
[17:21] <Gallomimia> carao you are behind a router.
[17:21] <Iordanis> I am trying to find an open source ubuntu alternative to RobCad
[17:21] <Carao> how is that even possible? I don't have one
[17:21] <Iordanis> can someone help me?
[17:21] <hitsujiTMO> Carao: you are behind a router and need nat forwarding
[17:21] <Gallomimia> you have a private ip
[17:21] <Gallomimia> it does not match your public ip which we can see in irc
[17:21] <Carao> oh wow
[17:22] <Iordanis> http://goo.gl/hkAEh3
[17:22] <Gallomimia> any other hardware in your setup?
[17:22] <Gallomimia> or there's one single ethernet cable between the modem and the comp?
[17:22] <wrl_> There must be a dependency on something I normally load then because I can't remember explicitly installing java for years now
[17:22] <Iordanis> any ubuntu alternative to this software? http://goo.gl/hkAEh3
[17:22] <Patero-ng> anyone here knows about w3m? like how to change the url... so far I have to exit the program and rerun the program with a new url
[17:22] <Carao> it's just my modem with an ethernet cable going to the CPU
[17:22] <caloda> hitsujiTMO: okay thanks. so what I need is openjdk-7-jre and icedtea-7-plugin , right?
[17:22] <troulouliou_dev> hi i plugged a pci card in my desktop computer but i can't see it in lspci ; what else can i do ?
[17:23] <hitsujiTMO> caloda: that should get you going yes
[17:23] <Gallomimia> carao then it's your isp which has the router, and is giving you a private ip instead of a public  :(
[17:23] <caloda> hitsujiTMO: ok thanks
[17:23] <Gallomimia> sadness. probably can't do anything about it
[17:23] <Patero-ng> hitsujiTMO: do u know about my issue with w3m
[17:23] <Iordanis> any open source ubuntu alternative to http://goo.gl/hkAEh3?
[17:23] <hitsujiTMO> Patero-ng: what issue? images?
[17:24] <Patero-ng> hitsujiTMO: lol no how to change url without quitting program
[17:24] <Carao> Gallomimia: ok thanks, that's actually a big help, now that I know I can't do anything about it and it's not Lubuntu I'll just bitch at my ISP
[17:24] <dab> wN: https://www.evernote.com/shard/s323/sh/e4b738fc-9768-4ac5-ae8c-a40833aa311b/168ec3b8e42adb93aae17aaefe3386c6
[17:24] <wN> dab: this shows that those 3 devices do not have LVM On them
[17:24] <Patero-ng> Carao: eres portugues?
[17:25] <Carao> Patero-ng: nope, but people seem to think that a lot
[17:25] <Patero-ng> Carao: where are u from
[17:25] <wN> dab: we can manually check out the metadata using this command: hexdump -Cn512 -s512 /dev/dm-X
[17:25] <Gallomimia> Carao good luck. they usually have done such a thing for limits with their addressing or specifically so you can't do this. you might consider a VPN or a seedbox as a work around
[17:25] <wN> dab: change the X to the correct device
[17:25] <minimec> Carao: Well... You have a 10.xx.xx.xx address. This is normally used for secured connections 'vpn'. If you had a 192.xx.xx.xx adresss, you would have a local network with router.
[17:26] <Carao> not the USA, and I'm hispanic, but not from brazil or portugal
[17:26] <Carao> @ Patero-ng
[17:26] <Patero-ng> Carao: I live in UT,USA and I'm originally from peru
[17:26] <dab> wN: i will try that ... also this shows that there is LVM on the dm-2 at p5 https://www.evernote.com/shard/s323/sh/2ef31e23-b325-4a47-8918-317671398755/6b8c552e24502d1f194833930885e358
[17:26] <Carao> minimec: meaning what?
[17:27] <Carao> Patero-ng: I'm from Costa Rica, born, raised, and living in
[17:27] <Carao> hola
[17:27] <Carao> :D
[17:27] <Gallomimia> and your isp is called TelecableCR
[17:27] <Patero-ng> Carao: have you been to ubuntu-es
[17:27] <Carao> Gallomimia: yup
[17:27] <minimec> Carao: Meaning... Your problems are related to that secured connection, IMHO.
[17:28] <dab> wN: hexdump not found :( I'm on the install CD ... I'm thinking i need to install a full bpotable ubuntu usb
[17:28] <wN> dab: does /dev/dm-0p5 exist? ls -l /dev/dm-0p5
[17:28] <Gallomimia> good point Patero-ng people in the espanol channel might have run into problems specific to telecablecr
[17:28] <Carao> minimec: but is it something I did and can undo, or is it my ISP? again, sorry, I'm a noob
[17:28] <wN> dab: (its not listed in the pvs output so its not being scanned)
[17:28] <Carao> Patero-ng: no I haven't, not yet anyway
[17:28] <hitsujiTMO> Patero-ng: its been a while since i've used w3m so i'm after forgetting the key combo, but it is possible
[17:28] <Gallomimia> if you're a noob, we're assuming you're not ALREADY using a vpn to mask your connection, therefore it's that cable modem doing it
[17:29] <wN> dab: i have a confession. i dont use ubuntu at all, but in red hat distros dm-X devices are NOT probed for partitions. I suspect its the same for debian. Yuo can try forcing the probe with 'partprobe /dev/dm-0' or 'kpartx -a /dev/dm-0' and then chekc to see if /dev/dm-0p5 is created.
[17:30] <dab> wN: ls -l /dev/dm* only shows dm-0, dm-1, and dm-2 but not any of the partitions ... do the physical drives have to some how be attached for those to be read?
[17:30] <Carao> ah, I see... once again, time to bitch at my ISP
[17:30] <Carao> thanks Gallomimia hitsujiTMO and minimec
[17:30] <Gallomimia> welcome
[17:30] <wN> dab: i doubt the dm-X devices are probed for partitions
[17:30] <Gallomimia> keep calm and torrent on
[17:30] <dab> wN: partprobe not found :(
[17:30] <minimec> Carao: That is a good question. If your 'Motorola' device is a simple modem, you should see the IP, we can see here. If your 'Motorola' device was a router, you would normally have a IP in the 192.xx.xx.xx range, unless the router is configured differently.
[17:31] <wN> dab: try the kpartx
[17:32] <dab> wN: hm - kpartx worked, but instead of dm-2p1 etc i see dm-3 through 7
[17:32] <minimec> Carao: You seem to have a connection like... "I am connected to the internet, but I have a 2nd connection to let's say to the intranet of my university."
[17:32] <wN> dab: thats fine. dm-0p5 is only the way fdisk displays them. it doesnt make sense for the abstraction layer to build them that way
[17:32] <Gallomimia> minimec: negative. sb5102 is a cablemodem designed to service one device or byor/ap very nice device which you can flash and take over and try hacking your provider's network with. i have one myself which i've experimented with, but telling someone how to do so anywhere on this irc network is a great way to get banned forthwith
[17:32] <wN> dab: re-run your pvscan
[17:32] <wN> dab: and do that kpartx with all 3 of those devices
[17:32] <anoop> need help with configuring /etc/security/limit.conf?
[17:33] <anoop> sorry limits.conf
[17:33] <Gallomimia> minimec: but it seems to me that his setup is given by dhcp, not some vpn software as would be the case in that situation
[17:33] <dab> wN: ah! no need - it looks like that was the right one ... if i run pvscan now i can see it
[17:33] <Carao> minimec: mm yeah, I'm blaming my ISP for everything, even though I find it odd that despite this strange setup you guys uncovered, windows was able to seed properly
[17:33] <dab> wN: https://www.evernote.com/shard/s323/sh/46417adc-b09a-42d8-9f35-b70c3cd09a0d/757f94425bb7cbcc1b0598986de38db1
[17:34] <Gallomimia> maybe it's uPNP?
[17:34] <Carao> Gallomimia: a friend of mine said that, but neither he, nor I, know how to fix that
[17:34] <Gallomimia> if you still have your windows boot drive setup it would be valuable to boot into windows and see if that machine gets the same 10.x ip address set up
[17:34] <wN> dab: good deal :)
[17:34] <Gallomimia> it should be part of the setup in transmission
[17:34] <dab> wN: awesome thanks :D
[17:35] <wN> dab: now, how to get this work without manually probing for partitions on the devices? i have no idea. perhaps somebody in here can offer some help, or ask the guys in #lvm. they're the upstream developers
[17:35] <Carao> Gallomimia: oh the upnp option's checked, but my friend says it's probably not working
[17:36] <dab> wN: well it appears to work fine when i actually try to boot from it - but i didn't know that was a room ... i'll check it out for sure
[17:36] <wN> w0rd
[17:36] <Gallomimia> carao: appears not. it's possible to get a readout of all upnp actions which would then reveal success/failure on portmappings, or a lack of attempting
[17:37] <Carao> Gallomimia: huh, that's weird, I just checked Transmission's settings and it's checked
[17:38] <Gallomimia> Carao: i think the next step is to test what ip's other devices get when plugged into your modem. including other os's on your rig
[17:38] <Gallomimia> and... WHY CANT I CHANGE THE COLOR OF MY TEXT :(
[17:38] <Brazil_Website> All about Python, Perl, Shell Script, Debian, Android, Linux, Ubuntu, Games and more - SuperFAQ - www.superfaq.com.br
[17:40] <Carao> Gallomimia: all I have on my HDD is Lubuntu but for the sake of learning wth is wrong and not switching back to ms win I'm willing to set up a virtual machine or make a XP partition
[17:40] <anoop> How to notify users about crossing file size limit specified by /etc/security/limits.conf?
[17:40] <Gallomimia> the virtual machine will tell us nothing, but what sorts of things do you have in your network setup?
[17:41] <stevecoh1> Hey, Dr. Willis, thanks for your advice last night.  Have decided for now that XUbuntu desktop is the best workaround for me.  (Problem was extreme unity slowness).
[17:41] <Carao> meaning what? noob here, remember?
[17:41] <Gallomimia> did you do anything to it?
[17:41] <Carao> nope, everything's default
[17:41] <Carao> or ISP-default anyway
[17:41] <Gallomimia> what setup did you do when you installed ubuntu/
[17:41] <Gallomimia> just.... "get ip address auto"
[17:42] <Carao> I didn't even go into the console when installing
[17:42] <Gallomimia> well, no the gui installer would have some option for it
[17:42] <Carao> maybe I should've
[17:42] <Carao> oh
[17:42] <Gallomimia> nah default is good
[17:43] <Gallomimia> just that your isp's default appears to be a private network. we still don't know why the windows partition worked while linux does not.\
[17:43] <Patero-ng> hitsujiTMO: it's esc + u
[17:43] <Patero-ng> hitsujiTMO: btw why don't you use w3m is way faster
[17:43] <new0> hitsujiTMO, hey, it didn't work. anyway question: if i install ubuntu 10.04 what is that mean no support?
[17:43] <wilx> Hi.
[17:43] <nongeek> Hello All
[17:43] <new0> hitsujiTMO, no software for it?
[17:43] <wilx> So. I have Radeon HD 5670.
[17:43] <Patero-ng> wilx: I have 5770 ja
[17:43] <wilx> And I have removed fglrx and installed the radeon driver.
[17:43] <nongeek> How can I write a bash script that connec to a server via ssh and automatically accept password
[17:44] <Carao> Gallomimia: think I should make a windows partition and give you guys whatever data I find on it
[17:44] <hitsujiTMO> new0, no new anything for it. it's end of life.
[17:44] <Gallomimia> carao probably :/
[17:44] <new0> hitsujiTMO, another one. is it possible to play around with partitioning and reside the partition 1 to 20GB without loosing datas?
[17:44] <Gallomimia> nongeek use private/public key authentication
[17:44] <wilx> And it does not work. The LightDM log in screen works fine but when I log in, upper half of my screen is garbage and lower part is just the log in screen bitmap.
[17:44] <new0> hitsujiTMO, but i can still programming with old stuff right?
[17:45] <nongeek> Gallomimia: How?
[17:45] <wilx> How can I nuke the XFCE session I have there, assuming something from the session is broken.
[17:45] <wilx> ?
[17:45] <Carao> Gallomimia: alright I'll go make that partition, do you think this issue is fixable or should I just give up and/or call my ISP?
[17:45] <hitsujiTMO> new0: you'd have to continuously shrink 1, expand 2, copy data until you're at the right size. might be easier to back whats on the partition to the 2tb drive
[17:45] <Gallomimia> nongeek: stackoverflow.com/q/363519
[17:46] <Gallomimia> carao: i'm imagining that the phone wait with your isp and the install of the windows are going to take the same unfathomably long amount of time, so might as well start both
[17:46] <Carao> point taken
[17:46] <hitsujiTMO> Patero-ng: i've only ever needed w3m in imergency situaltions ... i'm almost always sshing into a box and have full browser around
[17:47] <new0> hitsujiTMO, yes. with all my data for now i was able to free some space, but, i still have to clear another 250GB from all my HDDs. so is there safe partition program i can do it?
[17:47] <Carao> k then, thanks again for all the help, I'll be back at some point with whatever findings I get
[17:48] <sIRwa2> Hi, Q: is it possible to bind a key to bash script without unity/kde/gnome and such?
[17:48] <hitsujiTMO> new0L gparted is all thats available to you
[17:49] <new0> hitsujiTMO, and is it reliable app?
[17:49] <new0> hitsujiTMO, let's say more reliable vs Partition Magic?
[17:49] <crunchbang> excuseme
[17:49] <hitsujiTMO> sIRwa2: you need a desktop environment to to capture that in the easiest for... although you could use udev to try and capture it, but not sure if its possible
[17:50] <hitsujiTMO> new0: well anything is more reliable than partition magic
[17:50] <new0> hitsujiTMO, ok. if u say so. tnx
[17:51] <Patero-ng> I have a problemo
[17:51] <sIRwa2> hitsujiTMO, oke, im using XBMCBuntu, but i cant use xbmc because i dont want it to ¨wake up¨
[17:51] <Patero-ng> pressing caps lock doesn't turn on light on keyboard under ubuntu server why
[17:52] <SchrodingersScat> Patero-ng: weird, but it still capslocks?
[17:53] <ripthejacker> Hi everyone, I ran glxinfo, and in  the output, it says
[17:53] <ripthejacker> OpenGL vendor string as VMware
[17:56] <hitsujiTMO> sIRwa2: udev may be a possibility but i havent used it for such a thing: have a look at and see if it fits: http://davidrosca.blogspot.ie/2012/08/linux-on-x220-getting-microphone-mute.html
[17:57] <Patero-ng> SchrodingersScat: right
[17:57] <Patero-ng> SchrodingersScat: yes it caps my letters on
[17:57] <sIRwa2> thanks hitsujiTMO
[18:01] <Diplomatico> Hello, I have this issue while trying to see youtube full screen:
[18:01] <Diplomatico> http://postimg.org/image/drlsvu9wp/
[18:01] <TalonZA> join #freenode
[18:01] <Diplomatico> Ignore the desktop to your right.The left pic is what i;m talking about.
[18:01] <vishnu> Can someone please suggest the best twitter client for ubuntu
[18:01] <vishnu> Twitter Client
[18:02] <hitsujiTMO> Diplomatico: what flash player are you using?
[18:02] <Diplomatico> Where can I check that?
[18:03] <hitsujiTMO> what browser is it?
[18:03] <Diplomatico> It happens to me both in Chromium and Firefox...
[18:04] <hitsujiTMO> Diplomatico: might be in about://plugins    maybe
[18:05] <Diplomatico> Ok.
[18:05] <vishnu> Somebody suggest a twitter client for Ubuntu
[18:06] <Diplomatico> Adobe Flash Player - Version: 11.2 r202
[18:06] <FreezingCold> How can I force grub to go to grub2?
[18:06] <FreezingCold> I somehow have 0.97 installed still
[18:06] <h4cxxc0r3> kl,
[18:07] <hitsujiTMO> Diplomatico: that hasn't been updated in a looong time, no longer supported either. try another plugin, or maybe install chrome. it has a built in flash player.
[18:07] <hitsujiTMO> FreezingCold: sudo apt-get install grub-pc
[18:08] <Diplomatico> I'm using Chromium, and Firefox, and the problem happens in both browsers...
[18:08] <hitsujiTMO> Diplomatico: chrome != chromium
[18:08] <Diplomatico> Yes, I know...
[18:08] <Diplomatico> What are you suggesting, to use other browser?
[18:08] <hitsujiTMO> Diplomatico: chrome comes with its own built in plugin that is superior to the others
[18:09] <SchrodingersScat> Diplomatico: I prefer to play everything through standard media players, like vlc, mplayer2, etc.
[18:09] <hitsujiTMO> Diplomatico: you dant have much choices when it comes to plugins for firefox + chromium, you could try gnash maybe
[18:10] <Diplomatico> Ok, so you suggest to change the plugins that play youtube...
[18:13] <ja1> Would anyone like to describe a few advantages of either staying with 12.04 LTS and waiting till the next LTS in April, or upgrading to 13.x now?
[18:14] <ja1> I do like new features, but I am more conserned with stability
[18:15] <SchrodingersScat> ja1: I think you hit a major one, if you need the stability then not pushing buttons might be good.
[18:15] <Calinou> ja1: get 13.10, it also has fixes
[18:16] <nec_> http://linuxcommand.net
[18:16] <hitsujiTMO> Diplomatico: not sure if this still works but http://www.webupd8.org/2012/09/how-to-make-chromium-use-flash-player.html might get you the pepper plugin for chromium
[18:17] <Diplomatico> Thank you, I'll give it a go...
[18:17] <ja1> ok, thanks! :)
[18:20] <kongthap> i accidently switch my notebook into "airplane mode", i cannot turn it back on, please help.
[18:21] <sIRwa2> hitsujiTMO, would  ACPID work? for triggering scripts from keyboard?
[18:22] <jatt> why does coreutils depend on libselinux1?
[18:22] <hitsujiTMO> sIRwa2: no, keyboard has nothing to do with acpi
[18:22] <Gallomimia> pardon me but is there any place where one can go to discuss the (abysmal failure of) running steam on ubuntu?
[18:23] <gordonjcp> Gallomimia: probably here, tbh
[18:23] <gordonjcp> Gallomimia: what happens when you try?
[18:23] <cer> hitsujiTMO: hi there .... I looked at the compilation of the kernel .... there are only 3 modules for cpu frequency control, and not the newest .... it is a problem with kernel compilaiton in ubuntu likely.
[18:23] <Gallomimia> brutal... it's high traffic enough in here
[18:25] <Gallomimia> the steam app and games have a state of working which is intermittent. the only workaround to which seems to be restarting the system... not the reason which i like to run linux.
[18:25] <pfred1> OK really dumb question but i am trying to help someone and for what they're doing they have t orun Ubuntu 10.04 so my question is are there any repositories they can use to install software from today?
[18:25] <Videooo> I know that this isn't the right place for asking but maybe there is a person who know the answer. How can I get the video from this lines?: rtmpe://vod.puremix.net/wsa/mp4:puremix/140/669d92211009834132043981ae071ee24c8e5211.mp4?e=1382820431&h=6dedf9400bde144f17a13ad86c6b7eca http://vod.puremix.net/wsa/_definst_/puremix/140/669d92211009834132043981ae071ee24c8e5211.mp4/playlist.m3u8?e=1382820431&h=6dedf9400bde144f17a13ad86c6b7eca
[18:26] <hitsujiTMO> cer: if thats the case then report it as a bug on launchpad
[18:26] <cer> hitsujiTMO: still, I do not understand how the other person you mentioned solved it without re compiling the kernel ....
[18:27] <cer> hitsujiTMO: ohho .... the configuration of the kernel between the freeze and what we have is different!
[18:28] <cer> hitsujiTMO: do you know how to extract the current configuration, rather than downloading the configuration at the time of the freeze?
[18:28] <hitsujiTMO> cer: i think his was working as normal, just cpu was set to lowest cpu freq, installing indicator-cpufreq allowed him to change it
[18:28] <pandaroot> i am at my college and connected to my home machine using ssh, how can i get gui interface of any application that is running at my home using ssh ?
[18:29] <elia> ciao a tutti
[18:29] <elia> :)
[18:29] <cer> hitsujiTMO: it is not really possible if you do not have the kernel modules .... the only kernel modules available are amd_freq_sensitivity.ko  p4-clockmod.ko  speedstep-lib.ko
[18:29] <baggar11> pandaroot: ssh in with -X
[18:29] <cer> hitsujiTMO: unless he was using speedstep-lib.ko. My point is to find the probelm and prepare a patch.
[18:30] <elia> !list
[18:30] <wN> !list
[18:30] <wN> hah
[18:30] <hitsujiTMO> cer: i don't i try to avoid playing around the kernel.
[18:31] <pandaroot> baggar11,  ssh  -X synaptic  user@host ?
[18:31] <baggar11> pandaroot: just pass the -X option and launch the graphical program from the command line once you've logged in
[18:31] <hitsujiTMO> what is it with italians coming in here and attempting to use the warez !list trigger?
[18:31] <sIRwa2> what keymap can i edit hitsujiTMO ( in the link you gave) is there a default keymap ( im googleling alot :)
[18:32] <cer> hitsujiTMO: but if you look at the configuration at the time of freeze (http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/configs/saucy/amd64-config.flavour.generic) you will see that  p4-clockmod.ko should not be there, but acpi-cpufreq should be there .... so someone changed something at the last minute.
[18:32] <hitsujiTMO> sIRwa2: its been about 5 years since i've done anything with udev so i'm after forgetting i'm afraid
[18:32] <sIRwa2> lol np thankls anyway
[18:33] <niranjan> Greetings, after updating service packs on 13.04 through update manager, not able to login at all
[18:33] <cer> hitsujiTMO: good at least I do understand what is going on now! Do you know who knows where the kernel configuration for "generic" is stored in the packages?
[18:33] <niranjan> I can login using ssh or from terminal, but GUI login does not work
[18:34] <pandaroot> baggar11, doing ssh -X xchat but it fails
[18:34] <goaw> Hey there, my updates aren't installing. I'm in 12.04 static :) Can somebody help. I'm missing repositories for some weird reason.
[18:34] <pandaroot> currently i am logged in
[18:34] <hyberger> Hello.
[18:34] <reisio> 'lo
[18:35] <F014> Aloha , I'm on the command line on therminal .. How do I change the commands ( i.e start > gimp ) ∴ that I dont have remember all the special command references ?
[18:35] <joelteon> is the pbuilder sandbox supposed to have access to universe/multiverse packages?
[18:35] <joelteon> i'm trying to build a package that depends on libffi6 but it doesn't exist in the sandbox
[18:35] <baggar11> pandaroot: is xchat installed on the remote machine? "ssh -X user@host"
[18:36] <pandaroot> baggar11, yes it is installed
[18:36] <ankur> ping
[18:37] <baggar11> pandaroot: what's the error message?
[18:37] <F014> NOTE :  tHAT WAS A QUESTION .....                                 BY THE WAY !
[18:38] <F014> soz 4 caps .
[18:38] <pandaroot> baggar11, it's working now :-)
[18:38] <pandaroot> if i want to kill particular application how can i kill it ?
[18:38] <joelteon> my package needs libffi.so.6 which is somewhere in the universe i think
[18:38] <joelteon> is there a way to figure out where a package originates from
[18:39] <baggar11> pandaroot: are you asking about the program you just launched via ssh?
[18:39] <baggar11> pandaroot: just close it...
[18:39] <reisio> joelteon: ask apt-file
[18:40] <pandaroot> baggar11, on the remote machine i have synaptic open due to that i can't install anything, so trying to kill synaptic
[18:40] <joelteon> so what do you do about dependencies that aren't available by default in the pbuilder sandbox
[18:40] <baggar11> pandaroot: use ps command to find PID and kill it
[18:40] <pandaroot> first tried to open synaptic but it said their is already an instance running trying it to bring to foreground
[18:41] <pandaroot> baggar11, task completed
[18:41] <baggar11> pandaroot: "ps aux | grep synaptic"
[18:42] <pandaroot> baggar11, :)
[18:42] <pandaroot> baggar11, thanks
[18:42] <baggar11> pandaroot: no problem, glad it's working
[18:42] <hitsujiTMO> !find libffi.so.6
[18:42] <pandaroot> baggar11, :D
[18:43] <joelteon> none of those exist in the pbuilder sandbox and i don't know why
[18:46] <nec_> uptime
[18:46] <reisio> nec_: 27
[18:47] <joelteon> how do i let the pbuilder sandbox know
[18:48] <reisio> joelteon: know what?
[18:48] <joelteon> that libffi6 exists
[18:50] <F014> Note :                                                                                                     My question was asked **over** 10 minutes ago .
[18:50] <hitsujiTMO> !patience | F014
[18:50] <term1> where do i get the list of colors and their codes like -1=default 0=....255
[18:50] <term1> where do i get the list of colors and their codes like -1=default 0=....255
[18:51] <MonkeyDust> F014  press the up key to repeat your question every 10-15 minutes, until someone knows the answer
[18:51] <hitsujiTMO> term1 colours for what?
[18:51] <Guest38085> Hello, I'm new to IRC
[18:51] <term1> i am using irssi so changing the theme, so any idea where can i get color number and their values?
[18:51] <F014> MonkeyDust : I will do      that .
[18:51] <reisio> Guest38085: hi, send this as a message: /nick newguy27
[18:52] <newguy27> nick rey
[18:53] <hitsujiTMO> term1: http://www.irssi.org/documentation/formats
[18:53] <_rey_> Reisio: Thanks
[18:53] <F014> Aloha , I'm on the command line on therminal .. How do I change the commands ( i.e start > gimp ) ∴ that I dont have remember all the special command references ?
[18:53] <term1> hitsujiTMO: ah man thanks
[18:54] <_rey_> Can I get a place where I can learn about IRC chat rules or stuff, so I can understand what's going on and how to communicate
[18:54] <joelteon> can I make my package require that a file called libffi.so.6 is in the load path somewhere, rather than depending on a specific package?
[18:55] <reisio> _rey_: /topic
[18:55] <reisio> _rey_: but usually you get a warning if you do someting against any rules
[18:56] <_rey_> reisio: thanks boss :)
[18:56] <odium> how can I use lighttpd with ssl if I get this error SSL: ssl requested but openssl support is not compiled in
[18:56] <k1l> !guidelines | _rey_ read this one for a beginning
[18:57] <k1l> _rey_: and we have another chatroom for chating: #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:57] <hitsujiTMO> joelteon: you can prob symlink it to a PATH dir in your sandbox
[18:57] <hitsujiTMO> joelteon: altho, how that will effect the sandbox i do not know
[18:57] <_rey_> K1l: Thanks
[18:57] <_rey_> ubottu: thanks
[18:58] <xanux> hello
[18:58] <hellangel> hello there =)
[18:58] <xanux> :D
[18:59] <xanux> whats the new 13.10 update like
[18:59] <MonkeyDust> xanux  look for any review
[18:59] <joelteon> okay, sure, i'll try that.
[19:00] <troulouliou_dev> anybody having the battery bug on 13.10 managed to resolve it yet ?
[19:00] <hellangel> i am pretty new to unbuntu and was wondering: i installed pidgin, but when i get a new message and click on the envelope and on the message, it doesnt get sent to the front (ubuntu 13.10 64bit)
[19:00] <hitsujiTMO> troulouliou_dev: battery bug?
[19:01] <xanux> im having a battery bug with linux all the time anyway
[19:01] <troulouliou_dev> hitsujiTMO, battery always reported at 0% charged
[19:01] <Bauer1> Guys, when I report a problem/crash, or right click on  /var/crash/some.file and report it, the apport is not opening the bug report for me to track - is that normal? how do I fix this behaviour?
[19:01] <xanux> mine dosent charge at all
[19:02] <hitsujiTMO> troulouliou_dev: interesting, haven't heard of that one yet
[19:02] <reisio> hellangel: what happens instead?
[19:02] <troulouliou_dev> hitsujiTMO, ha have seen spme bug reports on launchpad
[19:02] <hellangel> reisio, pretty much nothing, the message window stays in the background
[19:02] <hellangel> tho, the message disappears in the envelope-menu, so that part seems to work at least heh
[19:03] <reisio> hellangel: screenshot?
[19:03] <hellangel> i could actually test if i have focus, even tho it is not in the foreground
[19:03] <k1l> troulouliou_dev: best is to make a bug report and give details in there, so the devs can take a look at
[19:03] <reisio> hellangel: not sure what you're describing typically does what you want
[19:03] <reisio> hellangel: but altering pidgin prefs will probably help you get what you want
[19:03] <reisio> deja vu...
[19:04] <xanux> how can I help with developing ubuntu
[19:04] <troulouliou_dev> k1l, yes there already is one ; i m just tottally busy wonder if by luck could get a 2 sec fix while ddrinking my coffee :)
[19:04] <hellangel> reisio: screenshot? :P well, i click on the envelope and on the message, and what i expect is the pidgin-chat-window to come to the foreground, which it doesnt :P not sure what to screenshot about this hehe
[19:04] <hellangel> reisio: and this doesnt seem to have anythin to do with pidgin itself, or am i wrong?
[19:04] <hitsujiTMO> xanux: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment
[19:04] <reisio> hellangel: the "envelope"
[19:05] <hellangel> reisio, oh
[19:05] <Patero-ng> is there anyway to turn off just one of my monitors without having to use xrand? is too heavy and I'm on ubuntu server and vbetool dmps off turns off all my displays not just the laptop's lcd
[19:05] <F014> Aloha , I'm on the command line on therminal .. How do I change the commands ( i.e start > gimp ) ∴ that I dont have remember all the special command references ?
[19:05] <reisio> hellangel: it sounds like you're describing the generic DE notification system
[19:05] <xanux> thxs
[19:05] <reisio> hellangel: which IME does not execute actions upon clicks
[19:05] <reisio> although presumably it could
[19:05] <reisio> F014: what do you want to change?
[19:05] <k1l> F014: what do you want? can you rephrase or give an example?
[19:06] <hitsujiTMO> Patero-ng: not that i know of, unless you want to turn it off permanently in xorg.conf
[19:06] <reisio> Patero-ng: might check xset
[19:06] <F014> So .. ' the command line ..
[19:06] <F014> How do I ..
[19:06] <reisio> F014: finish a sentence?
[19:07] <F014> change a 'command' into a unique command of my own ?
[19:07] <reisio> F014: ah
[19:07] <reisio> F014: run 'help alias'
[19:07] <k1l> !alias | F014
[19:07] <F014> opening help alias ...
[19:07] <pandaroot> form where i can get the .deb package of mysql-server for raring ?
[19:07] <pandaroot> i tried online but i was getting the source file instead of the package.
[19:07] <reisio> F014: you can make them long term by setting them in ~/.bashrc, for example
[19:07] <term3> F014: or what u can do is create a bash script and run that comand from there (paste that bash script in /etc
[19:08] <hitsujiTMO> pandaroot: apt-get get install -d mysql-server
[19:08] <reisio> F014: echo 'alias foo="bar"' >> ~/.bashrc && source ~/.bashrc
[19:08] <hellangel> the blue one ;)
[19:08] <hitsujiTMO> pandaroot: that will pull it to your apt cache
[19:08] <F014> Ok , that's done it .
[19:08] <F014> thanx guys    .
[19:08] <F014> \o/ BIG HUG
[19:09] <reisio> hellangel: I'd ask #pidgin if they know how to improve that
[19:09] <MonkeyDust> F014  scroll down to 'syntax' http://www.howtogeek.com/73768/how-to-use-aliases-to-customize-ubuntu-commands/
[19:09] <hellangel> reisio, so clicking on the message within the envelope-menu (whatever it's called) should just discard the notification in your opinion?
[19:09] <hellangel> reisio, alright, i will try my luck there, thanks a lot for the kind help =)
[19:10] <F014> !bot hug
[19:10] <reisio> F014: a little fancier than you might need for some time is a 'function' :) FFR
[19:10] <reisio> hellangel: that is the ordinary behavior, yes, if it's what I think it is
[19:10] <F014> I see I see    .
[19:10] <reisio> hellangel: but obviously it could do more
[19:10] <xanux> how could i get Itunes on Ubuntu
[19:10] <F014> !itunes
[19:11] <reisio> xanux: what do you use it for?
[19:11] <wN> xanux: you can use wine, but it doesnt work with ipod/iphone, but you can play/buy music through it. you can find more info on winehq.org
[19:11] <xanux> all my music is on itunes
[19:11] <xanux> i hate itunes so much
[19:11] <reisio> xanux: :)
[19:11] <hellangel> reisio, i actually managed to screenshot it while fading :p
[19:11] <hitsujiTMO> pandaroot: you can also get it from here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/database/mysql-server
[19:11] <reisio> xanux: then you probably don't need it
[19:11] <wN> xanux: my personal preference is using virtualbox and running a windows xp virt. then i just itunes through that. you can use usb passthrough to manage your devices.
[19:12] <reisio> hellangel: heh
[19:12] <hellangel> reisio, http://i.imgur.com/cxEPvR3.png
[19:12] <pandaroot> hitsujiTMO, the prob is the i am using local ubuntu repository which doesn't has mysql-server for the moment.
[19:12] <xanux> i lost all my music on my phone so i have to user itunes
[19:12] <reisio> hellangel: what's this?
[19:12] <wN> xanux: although i've recently swithced to Google Music. It works great since all the music is in the cloud and i dont have to sync my android device
[19:12] <reisio> "the cloud"
[19:12] <hellangel> reisio, the menu that pops up when i press the blue envelope, that i thought was a built in feature in this desktop
[19:12] <wN> reisio: get of my coolaid
[19:12] <wN> off*
[19:12] <wN> hehe
[19:12] <reisio> 'cause 'on the internet' is too hard to type, and not fluffy enough
[19:12] <reisio> wN: :p
[19:13] <wN> reisio: the world wide web?
[19:13] <wN> all my music is in the world wide webg.
[19:13] <reisio> hellangel: ah, dunno about that one
[19:13] <F014> !players
[19:13] <hitsujiTMO> pandaroot: you can get the packages here so: http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/database/mysql-server   but you will probably have to grab the dependencies manually too. can you not change the repos?
[19:13] <reisio> xanux: you can just transfer your audio from iTunes to someplace a native player can use it
[19:13] <F014> !studio ubuntu
[19:13] <reisio> xanux: basically the only "good" reason to keep using iTunes, on any OS, is if you buy music through it
[19:14] <hellangel> reisio, kk, though thanks a lot :)
[19:14] <F014> !ubuntu studio
[19:14] <xanux> i dont have my music anywhere its all on the cloud
[19:14] <pandaroot> hitsujiTMO, changing the repos , seaching for the sources list for raring
[19:14] <reisio> right, the cloud...
[19:14] <wN> xanux: then you'll need to install itunes, but you wont be able to sync it to your device in linux.
[19:15] <xanux> ok
[19:15] <wN> xanux: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=27734
[19:15] <F014> xanux: Rockbox plus Amarok !
[19:15] <pandaroot> hitsujiTMO, working
[19:15] <reisio> xanux: unless you use a VM, like somebody mentioned
[19:15] <wN> and just as a heads up, it's probably going to be a pain in the ass to get working :P you may want to consider the virtualbox option to get your music from the icloud (im not sure if there is any other way other than itunes)
[19:15] <reisio> xanux: but if you aren't buying things through it, best to move your audio elsewhere
[19:16] <xanux> i just have a guts full of apple now
[19:16] <reisio> ?
[19:16] <k1l> !language
[19:17] <wN> ^ wat
[19:17] <F014> xanux: ☺
[19:17] <bazhang> xanux get back on topic please
[19:17] <k1l> and please stick to techincal ubuntu support in here.
[19:17] <wN> ^ wat
[19:17] <xanux> ok
[19:17] <bazhang> wN, stop that
[19:17] <wN> why? getting apple itunes working in ubuntu is NOT technical ubuntu support??
[19:17] <reisio> well that was only five lines of spam as a reaction to ... maybe one
[19:18] <wN> it's a real shame that people cant be helped without being hasseled by a bot.
[19:18] <F014> !Package: unity-lens-shopping
[19:19] <reisio> F014: ?
[19:19] <bazhang> F014, /msg ubottu
[19:19] <F014> ok , a is sorry
[19:21]  * Oze sexy
[19:21] <F014> !suggestion : ubottu needs to begin with the letter A in it's name .. 'cos I have trouble finding the little guy !
[19:21] <bazhang> F014, /msg ubottu
[19:22] <F014> bazhang: I have , he won't change his name (?)
[19:22] <bazhang> F014, that means dont do it in the channel
[19:22] <Vivekananda> Hey everyone. Although I kinda know the answers but just making sure. for a dual boot win xp and ubuntu 12.04 , xp goes infirst right ?  Also how do I create ubuntu bootable CD with the iso.
[19:23] <reisio> Vivekananda: it's a little simpler if you do XP first, yes
[19:23] <Bauer1> Guys, when I report a problem/crash, or right click on  /var/crash/some.file and report it, the apport is not opening the bug report for me to track - is that normal? how do I fix this behaviour?
[19:23] <k1l> !dualboot | Vivekananda
[19:23] <reisio> Vivekananda: create cd from... Ubuntu?
[19:23]  * Oze sexsy
[19:23] <bazhang> Vivekananda, the more recent will rquire either a dvd or a usb stick. unetbootin is one way
[19:24] <hitsujiTMO> Vivekananda: yes, its an easier setup if you install xp first. you can create convert an iso to usb with tools such as unetbootin or linuxliveusb
[19:24] <bazhang> Oze, did you have a support question? otherwise, please take that elsewhere
[19:25] <Oze> bazhang you?
[19:25] <bazhang> Oze, this is ubuntu support; chit chat in #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:25] <Vivekananda> bazhang: got uubntu right now but is a little messed up. I dont want to use the in built boot usb generator so going to download a fresh iso and use it to create a usb
[19:25] <Oze> ok
[19:26] <Oze> bazhang do u like sex?
[19:26] <bazhang> Vivekananda, the usb-creator is the builtin one iirc, you can also install unetbootin
[19:26] <Vivekananda> also if any of you use win 7 how much of a resource hog is it ?
[19:26] <reisio> Vivekananda: does it matter?
[19:26] <bazhang> Vivekananda, try ##windows for that
[19:26] <Vivekananda> bazhang: yep okay
[19:27] <reisio> Vivekananda: oh you mean vs xp?
[19:27] <Vivekananda> so installing unetbootin
[19:27] <Vivekananda> reisio: of course
[19:27] <reisio> it's not so bad, but it takes a lot more disk space
[19:27] <bazhang> reisio, feel free to support that in ##windows
[19:27] <Vivekananda> but just to make sure, unetbootin will it create a bootable usb for me ?
[19:28] <reisio> Vivekananda: yup
[19:28] <bazhang> Vivekananda, correct, the linux pendrive site has other methods as well
[19:28] <Vivekananda> okay , looking at the links ubottu gave me above now !
[19:28] <Vivekananda> oww that is not for unetbootin
[19:29] <bazhang> !usb
[19:29] <bazhang> Vivekananda, ^
[19:29] <xanux> how can you launch a shell program from a shell program ?
[19:29] <privateanalyst> Hello I need help. I don't know how to connect to the internet. How do I get ubuntu to scan for networks so that I can pick one?
[19:29] <reisio> xanux: /path/to/program
[19:29] <xanux> thx :D
[19:29] <reisio> xanux: or just 'program' if it's going to be in the path
[19:29] <term1> term3: h
[19:30] <Vivekananda> got it
[19:30] <reisio> xanux: or ./path/to/program relatively
[19:30] <term3> term1: 2
[19:30] <reisio> ...
[19:30] <k1l> privateanalyst: there is the network manager in the top panel. so you can select the wifis there
[19:30] <reisio> privateanalyst: wireless?
[19:30] <Vivekananda> reisio: I have an old system , 2.1 ghz max speed and 4 gig ram that is why I asked if I should go with xp or 7
[19:30] <Vivekananda> but I gues will go with xp
[19:30] <reisio> Vivekananda: that isn't really old
[19:30] <privateanalyst> yes wifi
[19:30] <reisio> Vivekananda: and will handle any OS
[19:31] <bazhang> Vivekananda, reisio that is not for here...
[19:31] <Vivekananda> bazhang: sorry yep
[19:31] <reisio> bazhang: what isn't?
[19:31] <Vivekananda> off to windows
[19:31] <reisio> privateanalyst: do you know your device model?
[19:31] <bazhang> reisio, you are well aware thats for ##windows
[19:31] <reisio> bazhang: I don't even know what you're talking about
[19:31] <privateanalyst> I am using a laptop compaq with broadcom wireless
[19:31] <bazhang> privateanalyst, iwlist scan , if you mean by the command line
[19:32] <bazhang> reisio, keeping it on topic here.
[19:32] <privateanalyst> is there a simple way
[19:32] <bazhang> privateanalyst, the network manager applet is the easier way, yes
[19:32] <hitsujiTMO> Vivekananda: thats good enough for win 7, or 8 and ubuntu
[19:32] <privateanalyst> how do i use the network manager applet?
[19:33] <Patero-ng> hitsujiTMO: can I disabled my monitor using xorg even if I'm on ubuntu server?
[19:33] <Patero-ng> reisio: the pages I found for xset alledgy turn off all monitors
[19:33] <reisio> hitsujiTMO: that's some lag
[19:33] <reisio> Patero-ng: you can disable your monitor, yup
[19:33] <reisio> Patero-ng: -display ?
[19:34] <privateanalyst> bazhang, can i scan for networks using the network manager applet?
[19:34] <reisio> privateanalyst: yup, if it's working
[19:34] <Patero-ng> reisio: i only want to turn off laptop display not crt attached display
[19:35] <reisio> Patero-ng: what graphics driver are you using?
[19:35] <privateanalyst> reisio, it only gives me the option to add a network, how do i get it do give me a list?
[19:35] <hitsujiTMO> Patero-ng: soory, forgot you were on cli only. does xrandr not work for you?
[19:36] <reisio> privateanalyst: what's the adapter model? lspci | grep -i net
[19:36] <reisio> Patero-ng: oh you aren't using X at all?
[19:36] <Gallomimia> xanux: itunes has no restrictions on taking the music out of itunes and playing it any player of your choice. mine is mplayer
[19:36] <privateanalyst> its broadcom 802.11 b/g
[19:37] <reisio> privateanalyst: 'broadcom' is a little too inspecific
[19:37] <reisio> Gallomimia: hear hear
[19:38] <Gallomimia> xanux reisio tho i do agree wholeheartedly with the sentiments of "i hate itunes"
[19:38] <Vivekananda> bazhang: coming back to topic. I have 64 bit capable machine. I am wondering whether to install 32 bit one right now
[19:38] <xanux> Itunes is evil lol
[19:38] <Vivekananda> 64 seems to have troubles sometimes esp when installing libraries eg recently I had to install oursql library for python
[19:38] <bazhang> Vivekananda, no reason at all to use 32bit if your machine supports 64bit
[19:38] <reisio> Vivekananda: on Ubuntu?
[19:39] <Patero-ng> reisio: no x
[19:39] <privateanalyst> Broadcom 802.11b/g WLAN#3
[19:39] <Vivekananda> reisio: yep
[19:39] <term1> xanux: super evil, the music u pay for in itunes is so that you aren't sued, it's to pay for the license. u dont own that file lol
[19:39] <SchrodingersScat> privateanalyst: another broadcom victim :(
[19:39] <Patero-ng> hitsujiTMO: I can install xrand but is like 20mbs and for something like this should wait 200k
[19:39] <reisio> Patero-ng: so you're using the laptop keyboard, and the external monitor?
[19:39] <xanux> sounds about right lol
[19:39] <privateanalyst> how can I get the applet to give me a list of networks in range from which i can select?
[19:39] <Patero-ng> reisio: external keyboard and monitor
[19:39] <reisio> privateanalyst: need to know about your device
[19:39] <term1> privateanalyst: wifi?
[19:40] <reisio> Patero-ng: can't you just close the laptop, then?
[19:40] <hitsujiTMO> privateanalyst: can you open the terminal and type: lspci -k > ~/lspci.txt
[19:40] <ro9> using dual monitor in ubuntu is it plug and play?
[19:40] <reisio> ro9: usually
[19:40] <Patero-ng> reisio: will that turn off just that display or both
[19:40] <Vivekananda> reisio: I meant that I have the possibility of installing bot 32 or 64 bit ubuntu. I have not had any experience with ubuntu 64 bit but I assumed that available programs and compatibility might be an issue vis-a-vis installing software or custom libraries for languages and tihngs like eclipse etc.
[19:40] <Patero-ng> reisio: I think it will do both
[19:40] <privateanalyst> I am using windows since i dunno how to connect in ubuntu...
[19:41] <reisio> Patero-ng: easy way to find out
[19:41] <term3> term1: check
[19:41] <reisio> privateanalyst: okay, check in Windows' device manager, then
[19:41] <Vivekananda> Earlier with XP and 7 I had issues installing libraries 32 vs 64 and the oursql I mentioned was for xp
[19:41] <Vivekananda> and 7
[19:41] <hitsujiTMO> privateanalyst: and can you then copy that lspci.txt file onto a usb, and copy it to the file you are using that has internet access, and upload it to paste.ubuntu.com and give us the link so we can determine if you have the right kernel module installed for your wireless
[19:41] <Patero-ng> reisio: I think you're right it turns off just that lid thanks!
[19:41] <privateanalyst> yes it says Broadcom 802.11b/g WLAN#3
[19:41] <reisio> Vivekananda: there's no particular reason 64-bit should be any more involved
[19:41] <reisio> Patero-ng: gj :)
[19:42] <Vivekananda> reisio: so do you mean that the binaries dont differ for software ?
[19:42] <term3> term1: check
[19:42] <Vivekananda> and support also does not differ ? by support I mean avaialble software in the software centre and elsewhere ?
[19:42] <reisio> Vivekananda: I mean 64-bit isn't a problem
[19:42] <privateanalyst> reisio: what do i do now?
[19:42] <Vivekananda> also compatibility issues ?
[19:42] <reisio> privateanalyst: find out your wireless adapter's model
[19:43] <pandaroot> i have a very basic tv tuner card, can i record the tv shows that are displayed through it ?
[19:43] <reisio> Vivekananda: nothing to speak of
[19:43] <hellangel> reisio, it seems to be pidgin only, because with xchat it seems to work just fine :)
[19:43] <k1l> term1: term3  could you please use #test for testing and not this channel?
[19:43] <Vivekananda> so do you mean that even when I install 64 bit I can still download and install sofware without worrying it is meant for 64 or 32 ?  I mean the deb file ?
[19:44] <Vivekananda> and also add ppas and other things like that without worries ?
[19:45] <reisio> hellangel: could just be a little bug
[19:46] <hellangel> reisio, maybe yeah, though i fail to come up with the right search phrases to confirm that ;)
[19:47] <SchrodingersScat> !info ia32-libs
[19:47] <SchrodingersScat> Vivekananda: ^ that can solve some lib issues
[19:48] <Vivekananda> I read this just now http://www.howtogeek.com/165144/htg-explains-should-you-use-the-32-bit-or-64-bit-edition-of-ubuntu-linux/
[19:48] <Vivekananda> Schrodinger`Cat: I am trying ot install the lts 12.04
[19:49] <Vivekananda> I wont go to the newer one
[19:49] <Schrodinger`Cat> fail tab ^^
[19:49] <Schrodinger`Cat> SchrodingersScat, GRR
[19:51] <SchrodingersScat> Vivekananda: I'm not sure how that changes much
[19:52] <hellangel> reisio, oh, i actually found the reason.. the notification does actually focus the window, but the main window and not the chat-window ;) since the user list was always in the foreground, i didnt notice that
[19:53] <pandaroot> i have a very basic tv tuner card, can i record the tv shows that are displayed through it ?
[19:54] <reisio> hellangel: weird
[19:54] <baggar11> pandaroot: yes
[19:54] <reisio> hellangel: might check pidgin prefs for that
[19:54] <pandaroot> baggar11, how can i do that ? using mythbuntu ?
[19:55] <ulrichard_> I just upgraded my netbook to saucy, and now every time I try to use sudo, that terminal just freezes. What can I do?
[19:55] <SchrodingersScat> !mythbuntu | pandaroot
[19:56] <hitsujiTMO> pandaroot: you dont need to install mythbuntu per se, you can just install mythtv if you want that feature on an ordinary system, but there should be other apps out there that have the same capability (like i woul presume xbmc has such a feature too)
[19:56] <baggar11> pandaroot: I think vlc might be able to let you do that if you just want to test or manually trigger recordings, otherwise, yes mythtv and tvheadend
[19:56] <hitsujiTMO> ulrichard_: are you getting an error after the freeze?
[19:57] <hitsujiTMO> ulrichard_: specifically about not being able to resolve your hostname?
[19:57] <hellangel> reisio, i have checked the preferences, but haven't been able to find anything, but i can live with having the buddy list closed :)
[19:57] <trism> hellangel: yeah it's a bug, it used to work but in recent unity versions I haven't been able to figure out how to make it do anything more than jiggle
[19:58] <hellangel> trism, well, it is not solution but a temporary measure i can work with :)
[19:58] <trism> hellangel: the code didn't change, unity just decided to stop focusing it
[19:59] <hellangel> also, pidgin doesnt open links in the default browser, but always in firefox *glares at pidgin*
[19:59] <odium> how can i be sure a program (ie, avconv, ffmpeg) is threading properly to utilize my the full potential of my processor?
[19:59] <pandaroot> SchrodingersScat, hitsujiTMO baggar11  thanks guys
[20:00] <Adam_Johns> Is it appropriate to ask about connecting to my ubuntu server vm here and some snags that my OCD won't let go?
[20:00] <baggar11> Adam_Johns: there is an ubuntu-server channel, but I don't care if you ask in here...
[20:01] <hellangel> odium, you can specify how many threads to be used with avconv/ffmpeg
[20:02] <hitsujiTMO> hellangel: trism , actually i've notice a similar issue with nautilus, such as using "show in folder" in chrome opens a nautilus window, but does not bring it to the front
[20:02] <odium> hellangel: oh, so I can say -threads 8 ?
[20:02] <hellangel> hitsujiTMO, i have the same issue yeah.. i had the same problem with gnome3 aswell, a config entry fixed that though, maybe there is a similar option for the unity desktop
[20:03] <hellangel> odium, indeed
[20:03] <Adam_Johns> baggar11, Thanks. I tried to connect to my server using https and it works fine but I had to allow firefox a certificate exception to do this. I know next to nothing about the certs or encryption but would like to learn how to solve this please.
[20:03] <MonkeyDust> odium  try winFF, a fine GUI for ffmpeg, which uses a lot of options, to make full use of your hardware
[20:03] <trism> hellangel: oh I noticed that one 13.10 too, it was using sensible-browser here and trying to open chromium-browser which I don't even have installed, I just switched in to chrome in Preferences/Browser and it's working again
[20:04] <baggar11> Adam_Johns: solve installing a real cert?
[20:04] <odium> can someone recommend a tutorial on how to get source debs to install properly in ubuntu 13.10?
[20:04] <Adam_Johns> baggar11, Yeah, my ocd won't let me get away with using an exception. I feel there is probably a more professional method I should learn
[20:05] <baggar11> Adam_Johns: buy the ssl cert for your server and look into adding the configs for apache/nginx...
[20:05] <bekks> odium: apt-get source packagename
[20:06] <haurech> hola
[20:06] <hitsujiTMO> odium is this what you're looking for? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpdatingADeb
[20:07] <Adam_Johns> baggar11, buy? Sorry. This is just for a home intranet lab enviroment. I would just like all the machines on my subnet to be able to enter my server ip in a browser and visit the pages on the server
[20:07] <hitsujiTMO> adam_john: you can get class1 certs for free from startssl.com they work perfectly with 99% of browsers
[20:07] <Adam_Johns> hitsujiTMO, Thank you
[20:07] <term3> term1: ks
[20:08] <odium> hitsujiTMO, thanks, that looks right.
[20:08] <baggar11> Adam_Johns: ssl certs need a legit signing authority
[20:09] <term1> h
[20:10] <term3> term1: did u finally get thru that
[20:10] <hitsujiTMO> term1, term3, are you using this channel for a bot test? if so move to another channel
[20:11] <term3> hitsujiTMO: no man, not bot testing lol
[20:11] <gordonjcp> it's jono
[20:11] <k1l> term3: i already asked you to stop that
[20:11] <term3> hitsujiTMO: i didnt see, i am adding a theme, need constant updates :\
[20:12] <term3> im sorry for causing trouble
[20:13] <hitsujiTMO> term3 you can just make your own channel to test /join ##testing123
[20:13] <jono> hey gordonjcp
[20:13] <term3> hitsujiTMO: oh shit, im so stupid. :\ my bad, thanks
[20:13] <term3> term1: w
[20:14] <Adam_Johns> Sorry but is there no way to generate my own keys for a local network environment?
[20:14] <universal> I minimized terminal to sidebar and was doing some other work, suddenly everything froze with a msg after few seonds - something went wrong with compiz. Now everything is working except terminal is not showing  up on desktop once its minimizsed to sidebar, at the same time its shown with an arrow in sidebar. I already tried restarting but no use.
[20:14] <bekks> Adam_Johns: Which "keys for a local network"?
[20:14] <tekjnke> greetings. i'm running xbuntu 13.10 on an acer aspire one and the audio is skipping.
[20:15] <hitsujiTMO> Adam_Johns: you can, create your own ca, or use self signed keys
[20:15] <Adam_Johns> bekks, Sorry, I mean ssl certificate.
[20:15] <Alphratz> Hello
[20:15] <zeronoie> ciao!!!!
[20:15] <Nettunix_x> Hello
[20:15] <ulrichard_> hitsujiTMO: no, even after half an hour, the terminal doesn't return from the call to sudo.
[20:16] <txomon> how may I get ia32-libs' packages installed in a 64-bit system without having to install aptitude?
[20:17] <hitsujiTMO> ulrichard_: not the common issue i'm thinking of then. veryify your sudoers file is correctly structured. the slighest syntax mistake can break sudo
[20:17] <k1l> txomon: you can use "apt-get install" for isntalling packages
[20:19] <ulrichard_> I didn't edit the sudoers file at least since natty on that machine.
[20:19] <txomon> k1l, it does give dependency errors
[20:19] <universal> I minimized terminal to sidebar and was doing some other work, suddenly everything froze with a msg after few seonds - something went wrong with compiz. Now everything is working except terminal is not showing  up on desktop once its minimizsed to sidebar, at the same time its shown with an arrow in sidebar. I already tried restarting but no use.
[20:19] <ulrichard_> hitsujiTMO: And without sudo, I can't run visudo.
[20:21] <hitsujiTMO> ulrichard_: you can view the sudoers file directly in /etc/sudoers and the files in /etc/sudoers.d/    if there's errors you can correct them in recovery mode
[20:21] <apb> Epson XP-300 won't print.  Downloaded the driver, installed the package, restarted cupsd... restarted LibreOffice... nada.  Printer doesn't show up in LO.  lsusb shows the printer... so now I'm stuck.  Anyone?
[20:21] <k1l> txomon: please put that command with output into a pastbin, so we have a look
[20:22] <Mug> hi guys!
[20:22] <hellangel> trism, well all other programs seem to use the right default browser.. well well.. lets just wait or updates hehe
[20:22] <txomon> k1l, sure: https://travis-ci.org/txomon/master-asd/builds/13044750
[20:23] <ulrichard_> hitsujiTMO: I have strange permissions on those files :  440. No idea how that happened.
[20:23] <hellangel> trism, and by "all other programs" i mean the terminal and xchat :)
[20:23] <Mug> I'm having some problems with my keyboard. The keys lag sometimes... I can't seem to find anyone with the same sort of problem on the net
[20:23] <hitsujiTMO> ulrichard_: soory your right, that seems to be the default permissions. you will have to look at them in recover mode so
[20:24] <hitsujiTMO> mug, what version of ubuntu
[20:24] <sss__> Hello all. Could I bother someone with some questions concerning my Nvidia problem?
[20:25] <hitsujiTMO> mug, what cpu do you have, E8400 ?
[20:25] <Mug> 13.04... the problem has been there since 12.* thoughh
[20:25] <hitsujiTMO> sss__: just ask the question, if someone knows the answer they'll reply
[20:25] <sss__> I have a laptop Asus X550V, i5-3230, 4gbRam and Nvidia 740M. I have installed Ubuntu 13.10 along Win8, which was preinstalled.
[20:25] <sss__> Ubuntu is on and working without problems.
[20:26] <hitsujiTMO> mug, what cpu do you have, E8400 ?
[20:26] <sss__> The only problem is that it doesn't recognize my Nvidia 740M, but is using the Intel 4000HD.
[20:26] <sss__> I followed this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bumblebee#Installation  to install bumbleebe
[20:26] <sss__> but i still get this error: "Cannot access secondary GPU" error
[20:26] <Mug> hitsujiTMO, I have an intel dual-core
[20:26] <hitsujiTMO> !bumblebee | sss__
[20:26] <MonkeyDust> sss__  keep it in one line please, it's easier to read and repeat
[20:26] <trism> hellangel: yeah, I'm not sure what the issue is, since sensible-browser works in the terminal, it just stopped working from pidgin when I upgraded to 13.10
[20:26] <hitsujiTMO> mug: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bumblebee
[20:26] <sss__> I have installed Bumblebee
[20:27] <sss__> but I get  but i still get this error: "Cannot access secondary GPU" error
[20:27] <hitsujiTMO> sss__: ahh sorry
[20:28] <Mug> hitsujiTMO, I don't have an NVIDIA gpu
[20:28] <k1l> txomon: see the first answer: http://askubuntu.com/questions/107230/what-happened-to-the-ia32-libs-package
[20:28] <sss__> there is explanation:  you need to edit the /etc/bumblebee/xorg.conf.nvidia (or /etc/bumblebee/xorg.conf.nouveau if using the noveau driver) and specify the correct BusID by following the instructions therein.
[20:28] <Ben64> sss__: pastebin "lspci"
[20:28] <hitsujiTMO> mug: what is the output of: hitsuji@kaylee:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep model
[20:28] <Mug> hitsujiTMO: model		: 23 model name	: Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU       T4500  @ 2.30GHz model		: 23 model name	: Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU       T4500  @ 2.30GHz
[20:29] <sss__> http://pastebin.com/Lf6suGy6
[20:29] <Patero-ng> on w3m what is the difference between go to url and go to relative url?
[20:29] <hellangel> trism, yeah time for another update! :)
[20:29] <Ben64> sss__: line 15 has the bus id
[20:30] <hitsujiTMO> mug is the entire interface freezing or just keyboard entry?
[20:30] <sss__> ok, I entered it into that config file(I hope I did it right), but still nothing happens other than error.
[20:31] <Ben64> sss__: you'd probably need to restart x at the very least, maybe the whole system
[20:32] <Mug> hitsujiTMO, just keyboard entry... and it's only on occasion. It's like I have to type in rhythm or something. Repetitive keypresses like backspace or double letters lag the most noticeably
[20:32] <hitsujiTMO> mug: have you seen the same issue on other operating systems on the same machine?
[20:32] <sss__> Is this the correct line:  BusID       "01:00.0"  or BusID "PCI:01:00.0"?
[20:33] <Mug> hitsujiTMO: nope, windows is fine
[20:33] <Ben64> sss__: i'm not sure, i don't use bumblebee
[20:33] <sss__> ok, thank. gonna reboot, see if something happens
[20:34] <hitsujiTMO> mug: maybe kernel or xserver bug. have you seen the same issue in the live distro?
[20:35] <Mug> hitsujiTMO, I'll have to check later. I don't have the dvd near me.
[20:36] <hitsujiTMO> mug: unfortunately this kind of issue is very difficult to identify: as you can see froma similar bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/877010
[20:38] <hitsujiTMO> mug: best thing to do is report a bug and see what happens i can't see it being a config issue unless you manage to not see the issue on a live distro
[20:39] <Mug> hitsujiTMO... that's a little depressing. I'll try and do a clean install after I back up my files... I don't want to give up on linux
[20:39] <Ben64> try a different keyboard?
[20:39] <Vivekananda> hey everyone also for ubuntu 32 bit 12.04 install should I choose the ext3 ? the thing is I wanted to be able to read it from the Windows dual boot so I use an app too read and it just reads ext3 and fat but not ext 4
[20:39] <sss_> Hello, rebooted, but I still get [  150.251346] [ERROR]Cannot access secondary GPU - error: Could not load GPU driver  [  150.251378] [ERROR]Aborting because fallback start is disabled.  after running optirun
[20:40] <Mug> ben64.. I will. But this is a laptop, so that's not really a sustainable solution
[20:40] <Ben64> Mug: ohh
[20:44] <ulrichard_> hitsujiTMO: the sudoers file looks untouched. And visudo would have cmoplained if it was not ok. But in recovery mode the root partition was mounted readonly. So I had to remount and fsck it. Now I'm back logged in regularly, but the problem persists.
[20:44] <wrl_> Anyone know where the per user dashboard configuration file is called and locates (for 13.10)?
[20:44] <reisio> wrl_: should be able to find it easily enough by grepping for a string
[20:44] <jubale> Is the app for building custom distro still available?
[20:44] <reisio> jubale: mmhmmm
[20:45] <wrl_> reisio:  like "dashboard"?
[20:45] <reisio> wrl_: sure
[20:45] <reisio> wrl_: find ~/.??* -iname '*dashboard*'
[20:45] <reisio> wrl_: grep -ilr dashboard ~/
[20:45] <paulgreen35> Hi. I'm not sure if I'm the right place, but, is there any Administrators or Moderators from the Ubuntu Forums online?
[20:45] <reisio> paulgreen35: #ubuntuforums
[20:45] <wrl_> reisio: I'll give that a try, thanks!
[20:46] <wilee-nilee> paulgreen35, #ubuntu-ops
[20:46] <paulgreen35> Thanks
[20:47] <wilee-nilee> paulgreen35, actually #ubuntuforums would be more likely
[20:47] <txomon> k1l, yeah I know that, but I want to get ia32-libs' packages installed, not to find manually dependencies... I am using altera's modelsim, which doesn't give much info about it's dependencies...
[20:48] <hitsujiTMO> ulrichard_: maybe try reconfig the package: dpkg-reconfigure sudo    if you cant run this from recovery mode, then maybe boot to live distro and chroot to you install
[20:50] <ulrichard_> hitsujiTMO: Ok, I'll try reconfiguring. The live boot would be complicated, as it has full disk encryption with the key on a smart card.
[20:51] <hitsujiTMO> ulrichard_: in that case, while its not normally advisable, you could temporarily enable the root user, or append your user to the root group while you fix the issue
[20:53] <hitsujiTMO> ulrichard_: if you do enable root user, boot with the kernel mode text as i've seen lightdm break just because the root user is enabled.
[20:57] <csst0111> ln -sfn /usr/bin/keytool /usr/lib/jvm/jdk1.7.0_45/jre/bin/keytool    shouldn't this command work ?
[20:57] <csst0111> and change keytool from pointing to /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk-i386/jre/bin/keytool  ?
[20:59] <akurilin> I'm constantly getting issues with lightdm and my multi-monitor setup. Does anybody know if there are DMs out there that tend to be extra multi-monitor friendly?
[20:59] <akurilin> I'm having to constantly reboot lightdm every time I lock the computer :(
[20:59] <cgt> akurilin: I don't know, but try gdm
[21:00] <hitsujiTMO> csst0111: do you have the params the wrong way around?
[21:00] <wilee-nilee> akurilin, I doubt it is a dm issue.
[21:00] <csst0111> hitsujiTMO, omg!! let me check !
[21:01] <akurilin> wilee-nilee, it's likely got something to do with video drivers. The card is one of those recent integrated Intel HD4600 and so I had to do the enablement stack to get it to work
[21:02] <csst0111> hitsujiTMO, you are right! Thank you... my mistake :(
[21:02] <hellangel> trism, also, when i fullscreen flash videos in chromium on my second screen, i get the fullscreen window on my main screen... sigh :p
[21:03] <Prock81> how can i mount a zfs slice that shows up as /dev/sdc3 , i have zfs-fuse installed
[21:06] <wilee-nilee> akurilin, I would make a second user and see it it is happening there.
[21:07] <akurilin> wilee-nilee, how would that make a difference? I'm curious.
[21:07] <MonkeyDust> Prock81  some 200 people in #zfsonlinux
[21:07] <wilee-nilee> akurilin, a new user without the tweaks you have done, may exspose the tweaks you have done.
[21:07] <Prock81> cool thanks
[21:07] <txomon> anyway thanks k1l
[21:07] <wilee-nilee> if you remember them, lol
[21:10] <strigga> Hey, my ubuntu13 ext4 fs on /Dev/sda2 went to read only. It seems to have happened after i caused a typo in /etc/network/interfaces. But i cannot remove the txpo. Any ideas?? .
[21:11] <strigga> Problem: i am on the phone now and cannot Post any logs..
[21:12] <hitsujiTMO> strigga: sudo mount -o remount,rw /
[21:12] <shynn> hello all
[21:16] <akurilin> wilee-nilee, I see. I don't think I did any, but that's a good check to make.
[21:16] <BooeyOH> In a bit of a crisis here, on 12.04, why would my load be 30+ with no high memory or cpu usage
[21:16] <Patero-ng> anyone here what means relative url versus url in w3m ubuntu server?
[21:16] <BooeyOH> I also get this error when I do a sudo command "...sudo: unable to open /var/lib/sudo...."
[21:17] <k1l> BooeyOH: please put the whole errormessage into a pastebin
[21:18] <strigga|2> hitsujiTMO: Where should I send the beer? : Thanks!
[21:18] <hitsujiTMO> strigga|2: :)
[21:18] <Patero-ng> there are 1754 people on this channel is gotta be one of the most populated
[21:19] <Prock81> how much difference is there from 13.10 and 13.04 , like would Unity Tweak Tool stop working as it cant work on 12.04
[21:19] <Prock81> what changes like that? ^
[21:19] <strigga|2> hitsujiTMO: it seems that was cause by virtualbox services unable to run when the /etc/network/interfaces is buggy..
[21:20] <k1l> Prock81: unity-tweak tool was not in the official repos in 12.04
[21:20] <hitsujiTMO> strigga|2: ah yeah, prob relies too much on its network interface working :P
[21:20] <BooeyOH> k1l: http://pastebin.com/Sfy96Q9F
[21:20] <strigga|2> ..pushing the FS to read only for some reason.
[21:20] <Prock81> is it in 13.10
[21:20] <wrl_> anyone have ideas as to why the dashboard is not working?
[21:20] <k1l> Prock81: it is since 13.04
[21:20] <Prock81> is 13.10 LTS?
[21:21] <hitsujiTMO> 13.10 is not lts
[21:21] <wrl_> no
[21:21] <k1l> Prock81: no, why should it? LTS are only every 2 year release
[21:21] <genii> Prock81: 14.04 will be the next LTS
[21:21] <Prock81> when does it come out
[21:21] <bekks> in april 14 ...
[21:21] <k1l> BooeyOH: see the message. the filesystem is read-only. see syslog for what is going on
[21:21] <genii> Prock81: 2014, 4th month....
[21:21] <hitsujiTMO> 14.04: 14 - 2014, 04 = april :)
[21:21] <bazhang> april 2014
[21:22] <Patero-ng> bazhang: your birthday?
[21:22] <BooeyOH> k1l: there are no syslog messages in the last hour, something is definately weird here
[21:23] <bazhang> !14.04 | Patero-ng
[21:23] <k1l> BooeyOH: yep. better check the system. maybe the hdd is failing (which would cause alot of load, too)
[21:23] <BooeyOH> k1l: even more worriesom, this is on a virtual machine :(
[21:24] <hitsujiTMO> BooeyOH: there are going to be no syslog messages for the last hour if your hdd was mounted as ro an hour ago ... see the last entries for any indication of what would kick it into ro mode
[21:29] <dracnoc> . /usr/bin/byobu-reconnect-sockets
[21:33] <ned__> quick question... whats the ubuntu task manager for shutting down a prog??
[21:33] <fishscene> Well there's "System Monitor"
[21:34] <k1l> or top/htop for the terminal
[21:34] <Marlenee> iam try to running cssh on my server and get this error for display
[21:34] <Marlenee> Can't connect to display `unix:0': No such file or directory at /usr/share/perl5/X11/Protocol.pm line 2264.
[21:34] <bekks> or "kill" in a terminal.
[21:35] <ned__> used sys monitor, killed processes but prog still open ...hmmm
[21:35] <shynn> I'm looking for a program like cpuZ for win that tell me all about frequence and power consume of cpu
[21:35] <OerHeks> !lmsensors
[21:37]  * shynn ubottu  is it in the reposity?
[21:38] <ned__> playing secondlife... it froze.. now cant close it... grrr
[21:38] <OerHeks> shynn, sudo apt-get install lm-sensors && sudo sensors-detect # and hit yes on any question
[21:39] <k1l> ned__: there is "xkill"
[21:41] <fishscene> ned__: Is "WINE" running? You might have to kill that if secondlife is running in Wine
[21:41] <bekks> fishscene: secondlife runs natively on linux, IIRC.
[21:41] <ned__> no its a linux secondlife.. but ty
[21:41] <fishscene> oops. nvm then. I'm not yet used to native linux games. :)
[21:42] <cuddylier> Anyone know why this bash script doesn't work? http://pastebin.com/tHrDPXXN It says this error: survivalscript.sh: 3: survivalscript.sh: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
[21:42] <ned__> on the launcher, click quit, no joy, sys monitor, closed processes no joy, might be a thing with the new salamander...
[21:43] <hitsujiTMO> cuddylier: put a $ before the (
[21:43] <cuddylier> Ah okay
[21:44] <buraker|2> hi
[21:44] <buraker|2> is it possible to install ubuntu touch onto phone using debian os?
[21:45] <hitsujiTMO> buraker|2: #ubuntu-touch
[21:45] <Patero-ng> how does ubuntu server gets an ip from router when it doesn't have dhcpcd and can I use that method so I can unistall dhcpcd to save space
[21:45] <buraker|2> thank you
[21:45] <bekks> Patero-ng: "ifconfig"
[21:46] <Patero-ng> bekks: can ifconfig act as a dhcp client?
[21:46] <bekks> Patero-ng: And the dhcp package is about a few kilobytes, that will not save that much space.
[21:46] <k1l> Patero-ng: you dont need dhcp on the client. the router manages that
[21:46] <hellangel> Patero-ng, if you get an ip from your router, it actually does have a dhcp
[21:47] <Patero-ng> so how does it do it? I want to uninstall dhcpcd and do it like ubuntu does on boot
[21:47] <H1FuelCell> I'm inside a directory owned by a group www-data
[21:47] <H1FuelCell> the directory's permissions allow the group to write to it
[21:48] <k1l> Patero-ng: can you rephrase what you want with what device?
[21:48] <Prock81> how can i auto mount (or mount at all) a zfs drive
[21:48] <H1FuelCell> I'm logged in as a user that belongs to www-data
[21:48] <H1FuelCell> but I'm unable to write anything, 'Permission denied'
[21:48] <hitsujiTMO> dhcpcd is a dhcp client. you would have to specify static ips without it
[21:48] <H1FuelCell> what could be the problem?
[21:48] <Prock81> just for data storage
[21:48] <hellangel> Prock81, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZFS
[21:48] <hellangel> have a look here :)
[21:49] <bekks> Patero-ng: Either you want to uninstall dhcpcd or you eant a dhcp address. Decide yourself.
[21:49] <hitsujiTMO> !zfs | Prock81
[21:49] <Patero-ng> k1l: I want to auto configure my ip and dns without dhcpcd with just one command no manual ip input
[21:49] <H1FuelCell> /usr/share/www$ ll
[21:49] <H1FuelCell> total 8
[21:49] <H1FuelCell> drwxrwsr-x  2 root www-data 4096 Oct 26 20:40 ./
[21:50] <Patero-ng> bekks: I want to know how ubuntu does it on boot
[21:50] <bekks> Patero-ng: BY using dhcpcd.
[21:50] <hitsujiTMO> Patero-ng: the dhcpcd is what auto configs your ip.
[21:50] <bekks> !info dhcpcd
[21:50] <baggar11> H1FuelCell: you've made the "user" apart of the www-data group already? Then try "chmod -R g+w /var/www/*"
[21:50] <bekks> Patero-ng: You would save 151kB. Thats not even worth trying.
[21:50] <hellangel> H1FuelCell, maybe you do not have the rights to view a parent directory
[21:51] <baggar11> H1FuelCell: err... chmod -R g+w /var/www should do it, no * needed
[21:51] <xanux> ping
[21:52] <H1FuelCell> baggar11: I applied the permissions again with the -R flag, but no luck yet
[21:52] <Gallomimia> module-init-tools: unrecognized service (what does this mean?) I'm trying to get thru this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto
[21:52] <hitsujiTMO> H1FuelCell: did you relog after adding yourself to the www-data group?
[21:52] <H1FuelCell> hellangel: yes... /usr/share/www belongs to root and group www-data, but /usr/share belongs to root root
[21:52] <H1FuelCell> no hitsujiTMO
[21:53] <H1FuelCell> gonna try that now!
[21:53] <baggar11> H1FuelCell: try doing this "sudo adduser *youruser* www-data"
[21:53] <hitsujiTMO> H1FuelCell: you need to relog for your account to pick up the group
[21:53] <baggar11> H1FuelCell: then logout and back in with the user
[21:53] <guest-lJMjYi> Hey everyone. I recently upgraded to 13.10. All was going okay then I plugged from my laptop HDMI to TV. disconnectinged to some issues, and now randomly on reboot, logging into my account gives a blank screen, but logging into guest all is fine. Logged into reg account and HDMI plugged in, it works as expected, upon unplugging it will work as expected, but unplugged and reboot, blank screen after login
[21:53] <quotemstr> Why the hell is Ubuntu not configured with the discard (TRIM) mount option by default?
[21:53] <H1FuelCell> yay! that was it baggar11  hitsujiTMO
[21:53] <H1FuelCell> thanks guys :)
[21:54] <k1l> quotemstr: there were problems with trim with the first ssd series
[21:54] <hitsujiTMO> quotemstr: because it is beleived to have poor performance when dealing with small files
[21:54] <hitsujiTMO> quotemstr: it's better to add it as a daily cron
[21:55] <Patero-ng> bekks: as far I know ubuntu server doesn't come with dhcpcd yet I think it does dhcp
[21:55] <cuddylier> tar -czf survivalbackup-$(date +%Y-%m-%d).tar.gz /home/servers/survival
[21:55] <ntzrmtthihu777> Heyo. any suggestions of applications/tutorials to create a *good* pdf from multiple html files?
[21:55] <cuddylier> Would that be a good tar command?
[21:55] <bekks> Patero-ng: It comes with dhcpcd.
[21:56] <ntzrmtthihu777> cuddylier: you could replace $() with ``
[21:56] <cuddylier> I see
[21:56] <bekks> cuddylier: And you should backup all permissions too.
[21:56] <cuddylier> Would that change much more than looking nice?
[21:56] <hitsujiTMO> Patero-ng: 12.04.3 has isc-dhcp-client
[21:56] <cuddylier> What happens if the files are all 777?
[21:56] <cuddylier> As the boxes just have root users
[21:57] <bekks> cuddylier: File permissions being 777 and "root users" do have nothing in common.
[21:57] <cuddylier> True
[21:57] <cuddylier> How would I backup file permissions too?
[21:58] <ntzrmtthihu777> cuddylier: 777 means anyone can read/write/execute it
[21:58] <hitsujiTMO> cuddylier: if you're tarring -p preserves permissions
[21:58] <txithihausen> Hello felows. I'm dealing with a naive doubt. Is vmware-player on the ubuntu repository? I said that because i have enabled the sources main restricted, universe and multiverse and even with that I could not find out such package.
[21:58] <BenNZ> hi trying to use the mini iso for saucy , it starts the installer then freezes , ive also tried the advanced option , but that does the same thing , anyone know what might be wrong , md5sum matches
[21:58] <hitsujiTMO> txithihausen: no vmware player is not in an official repo
[21:58] <bekks> txithihausen: No.
[21:59] <cuddylier> What would I change exactly on this then? tar -czf survivalbackup-$(date +%Y-%m-%d).tar.gz /home/servers/survival
[21:59] <cuddylier> Add -p before the -czf ?
[21:59] <hitsujiTMO> txithihausen: i would recommend using an alternative virtualisation software aswell as vmware player does not play nicely with 3.X kernel
[21:59] <cuddylier> And what does -czf actually do?
[21:59] <hellangel> cuddylier, c -> create, z -> gzip, f -> file
[21:59] <ntzrmtthihu777> cuddylier: -create -z gzp -f filename
[21:59] <hellangel> and yes, add p to preserve permissions
[22:00] <bekks> ntzrmtthihu777: thats ugly ;)
[22:00] <hitsujiTMO> cuddylier: -cpzf
[22:00] <cuddylier> What does the f do?
[22:00] <cuddylier> Ah
[22:00] <txithihausen> hitsujiTMO, but the aswell works with *vmdk files?
[22:01] <bekks> txithihausen: vbox does.
[22:01] <hitsujiTMO> txithihausen: i thing vbox works with vmdk files
[22:01] <cuddylier> Is it possible to wget with the time and date?
[22:01] <ntzrmtthihu777> bekks: what is?
[22:01] <cuddylier> The variable
[22:02] <hitsujiTMO> cuddylier: what do you mean wget the time and date? as in sync it?
[22:02] <cuddylier> hitsujiTMO use the date time variable in the wget command as part of a URL
[22:03] <cuddylier> wget http://node2.domain.net/survivalbackup-$(date +%Y-%m-%d).tar.gz
[22:03] <History> Hi All. I have a BBB server (ubuntu server) running as a guest in VMware player on a Win8 host. I can't get VMware Tools to let me copy&paste text across between host and guest. Any ideas, please?
[22:03] <cuddylier> That
[22:03] <Zimdale> Hello
[22:04] <txithihausen> hitsujiTMO, you are completely right! I have started it on Virtualbox
[22:04] <txithihausen> thank you very much
[22:04] <hitsujiTMO> cuddylier: cuddylier yes, but, that depends on if the server actually has a file with that date
[22:05] <SchrodingersScat> hitsujiTMO: what do you think the chances of that are?
[22:05] <SchrodingersScat> nvm
[22:06] <hitsujiTMO> cuddylier: actually thinking now, that could be a problem as the = char has to be uel encoded
[22:06] <hitsujiTMO> url*
[22:06] <cuddylier> I see
[22:06] <cuddylier> Would there be any other solution?
[22:07] <History> Does anyone run an Ubuntu server in VMware?
[22:07] <bekks> History: Prople do.
[22:07] <hitsujiTMO> cuddylier: wait my bad, i endered = instead of - ... yes it works
[22:07] <bekks> History: People do, even.
[22:07] <cuddylier> Ah great!
[22:08] <hitsujiTMO> !anyone | History
[22:08] <History> Hi bekks. Any idea how I can copy&paste text from host to guest ?
[22:08] <quotemstr> hitsujiTMO: Then why isn't it configured with cron either?
[22:09] <quotemstr> Why is LVM not configured to pass on TRIM?
[22:09] <quotemstr> And modern SSDs don't actually have perf problems here.
[22:09] <bekks> History: copy it, paste it.
[22:09] <hitsujiTMO> quotemstr: users choice. lvm and encryption are another more complicated story tbh
[22:10] <quotemstr> hitsujiTMO: Users don't know a thing about disk layout. The OS should be configured to be efficient by default, not configured to be inefficient just in the case the user might be using defective hardware.
[22:10] <k1l> quotemstr: you cant set a default, that could be malicious for some older ssd series
[22:10] <quotemstr> k1l: You blacklist old SSD models.
[22:10] <apb> Epson XP-300 won't print.  Downloaded the driver, installed the package, restarted cupsd... restarted LibreOffice... nada.  Printer doesn't show up in LO.  lsusb shows the printer... so now I'm stuck.  Anyone?
[22:11] <History> I'm not sure this is the right way to get help with this. Thanks for your time anyway. ciao
[22:11] <quotemstr> k1l: hitsujiTMO: Windows doesn't seem to have a problem issuing TRIM requests.
[22:11] <apb> Shame history left... he missed his answer by that much....
[22:11] <cuddylier> Would tar -p -cpzf survivalbackup-$(date +%Y-%m-%d).tar.gz /home/servers/survival heavily affect server performance?
[22:11] <cuddylier> As I need to keep services running while it's going
[22:11] <k1l> quotemstr: you are mixing alot of different stuff now.
[22:12] <fishscene> apb: I'm assuming it shows up in "system settings > Printers"?
[22:12] <apb> fishscene: never assume :)  Let me check
[22:12] <quotemstr> k1l: No, I'm saying that any modern OS should be using TRIM by default.
[22:12] <hitsujiTMO> cuddylier: is it a minecraft database?
[22:13] <cuddylier> hitsujiTMO Well, there are java instances running on the box
[22:13] <k1l> quotemstr: there is alot of difference in the driver and compatility world. not only when talking about ssds. but thatis not a topic for this technical support channel
[22:13] <cuddylier> Minecraft to be specific yes
[22:13] <gordonjcp> quotemstr: no
[22:13] <gordonjcp> quotemstr: TRIM is crap
[22:13] <apb> fishscene: Nope
[22:14] <gordonjcp> quotemstr: fine if you're constantly juggling *huge* files, but if you're not it will slow your disk right down
[22:14] <apb> fishscene: Attempting to add it now
[22:14] <entity010> Hhrr
[22:14] <hitsujiTMO> cuddylier, you need to stop the server from saving during the backup, otherwise you'll end up with a corrupt database in your backup
[22:14] <fishscene> apb: If it doesn't show up there, it won't show up for your programs. :)
[22:14] <quotemstr> gordonjcp: Then why does Windows use it?
[22:15] <cuddylier> hitsujiTMO Whenever I've done backups before they're fine
[22:15] <apb> apb: It's in the list of drivers...  but... adding it...  not sure if it's working....right now it's just spinning
[22:15] <cuddylier> Even while saving happens
[22:15] <apb> hmm... talking to myself... lol
[22:15] <gordonjcp> quotemstr: no idea, I have never used Windows
[22:15] <apb> fishscene:  It's in the list of drivers...  but... adding it...  not sure if it's working....right now it's just spinning
[22:15] <apb> fishscene: and spinning and spinning
[22:16] <quotemstr> gordonjcp: The point is that if TRIM really were crap, Windows wouldn't issue the command.
[22:16] <SinnerNyx> just upgraded to 13.10. Trying to run "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)" but this gives me "E: Package 'linux-headers-3.8.0-23-generic' has no installation candidate"
[22:16] <SinnerNyx> What am I doing wrong?
[22:16] <quotemstr> gordonjcp: What's crap is that old Linux kernels used to issue tiny TRIM commands instead of batching them, and that undrestandably caused performance problems.
[22:16] <fishscene> apb: hmm… let's wait and see I guess.
[22:16] <apb> fishscene: My first time adding a printer to ubuntu... so I don't know all the details... nothing I've read/googled indicated this part of it.
[22:17] <Gromit-dog> if i install ubuntu on windows based machine do i have to reformat disk drive?
[22:17] <LLKCKfan> I am having all kinds of issue with my browser Opera. I was just getting a Adobe Flash Player error, now I cannot close tabs and tabs are acting like they are loading when they have been loaded and I cannot look at the page. Is there anyway to fix this? I about ready to do a reeformat
[22:17] <k1l> Gromit-dog: you mean delete windows and installing ubuntu instead?
[22:18] <cuddylier> How would I change the priority of this command? tar -p -cpzf survivalbackup-$(date +%Y-%m-%d).tar.gz /home/servers/survival
[22:18] <Gromit-dog> yes that is plan
[22:18] <apb> fishscene: It should have done it by now... .somethings not right.
[22:18] <SinnerNyx> LLKCKfan: not familiar with Opera, is there some way to disable flash?
[22:18] <hitsujiTMO> cuddylier: you just be backing up a single snapshot ( eg saving off ) as you can end up with parts of the world being out of sync. its safe to stop saving during the backup. i think its built into vanilla just for this purpose ( or could be an extra feature in bukkit, cant remember for sure )
[22:18] <guest-lJMjYi> where are the config files for the guest account located?
[22:18] <LLKCKfan> no
[22:18] <gordonjcp> quotemstr: I can't comment on Windows.  I'm told it does some pretty odd stuff
[22:19] <fishscene> apb: Agreed. Unfortunately, I'm unsure how to proceed from here. Maybe reboot and try again? I'm shooting in the dark here.
[22:19] <gordonjcp> quotemstr: certainly enabling TRIM when I'm mostly using small files slowed things right down
[22:19] <cuddylier> hitsujiTMO Yeah, I'm aware, how would I change the priority of: tar -p -cpzf survivalbackup-$(date +%Y-%m-%d).tar.gz /home/servers/survival
[22:19] <_Bauer> Guys, when I report a problem/crash, or right click on  /var/crash/some.file and report it, the apport is not opening the bug report for me to track - is that normal? how do I fix this behaviour?
[22:19] <apb> fishscene: Hmmm
[22:19] <k1l> Gromit-dog: the installer will format the needed partitions for you
[22:19] <baggar11> SinnerNyx: ubuntu 13.10 uses 3.11 kernel, why are you trying to install another kernel manually?
[22:19] <hitsujiTMO> cuddylier: its not adisable to to so but: http://askubuntu.com/questions/48708/change-niceness-priority-of-a-running-process
[22:20] <SinnerNyx> baggar11 my command uses $(uname -r) I don't see how I'm doing anything manually...
[22:20] <baggar11> SinnerNyx: in what way did you upgrade? I thought the upgrade process would install a newer kernel.
[22:20] <cuddylier> hitsujiTMO Would running it default priority be fine then?
[22:20] <SinnerNyx> baggar11: Seemed to me like it did. I ran do-release-upgrade.
[22:20] <Gromit-dog> how can i remove old os once ubuntu .  is there
[22:21] <hitsujiTMO> cuddylier: yes
[22:21] <cuddylier> Okay thanks
[22:21] <k1l> Gromit-dog: you install the ubuntu over the old windows
[22:21] <cuddylier> I could send the save-off command to the server screen
[22:21] <SinnerNyx> Gromit-dog if you install it over top of the Windows partition then it will be removed...
[22:21] <baggar11> SinnerNyx: you restarted right?
[22:21] <SinnerNyx> baggar11: Multiple times.
[22:21] <hitsujiTMO> cuddylier: just make sure your script to save your backup stops the server from saving before, and allows it to save after
[22:21] <baggar11> SinnerNyx: check to see if any 3.11 kernels are installed
[22:21] <cuddylier> Yeah, I'll do that in it
[22:21] <SinnerNyx> baggar11: How would I do that?
[22:21] <cuddylier> Gonna test on VPSs so I don't delete random stuff lol
[22:21] <baggar11> SinnerNyx: dpkg --get-selections | grep linux
[22:22] <bobslee> hi. upgraded raring to saucy. now macbook synaptics/mouse doesn't work. any clues?
[22:22] <SinnerNyx> all things that say a version say 3.8
[22:22] <Gromit-dog> wont there still be old windows partition
[22:22] <hitsujiTMO> SinnerNyx: what version of ubuntu are you on?
[22:22] <cebor> hi for a static ip setup, must i specify network and broadcast, or can i leave them out ?? its alway  ...0 and ...255
[22:23] <wilee-nilee> LLKCKfan, There is a flash blocker opera add on, I would delete private data that may be not needed.
[22:23] <SinnerNyx> hitsujiTMO: if the upgrader is to be believed (and the splash screen on boot) 3.10
[22:23] <k1l> Gromit-dog: not if you choose "use full harddisk" in the installer
[22:23] <baggar11> SinnerNyx: see if there is any 3.11 kernels you can install --> apt-cache search linux-image
[22:23] <SinnerNyx> erm sorry
[22:23] <SinnerNyx> 13.10
[22:23] <baggar11> SinnerNyx: the uname -r method will just pull your current kernel version
[22:23] <kaipair> Does anyone have experience of running Path of Exile under WINE?
[22:23] <SinnerNyx> baggar11 right which is what I want.
[22:24] <hitsujiTMO> SinnerNyx: if you upgraded from 13.04 then the 3.8 kernels are from your 13.04 install .. you can purge then safely ... whats the output of: uname -r
[22:24] <k1l> !wine | kaipair best is to ask the wine specialists
[22:24] <LLKCKfan> I am having all kinds of issue with my browser Opera. I was just getting a Adobe Flash Player error, now I cannot close tabs and tabs are acting like they are loading when they have been loaded and I cannot look at the page. Is there anyway to fix this? I about ready to do a reeformat
[22:24] <SinnerNyx> hitsujiTMO: 3.8.0-23-generic
[22:24] <Gromit-dog> perfect!!  say goodbye windows 😄
[22:24] <SinnerNyx> baggar11 seems like I can install 3.11 in low latency and generic. I just want generic right?
[22:25] <wilee-nilee> LLKCKfan, I would get rid of cookies and all the extra stuff, use the flashblocker opera provides.
[22:25] <hitsujiTMO> SinnerNyx: yes, just generic
[22:25] <Gallomimia> can someone tell me the difference between adding a user in system prefs and using sudo useradd ??
[22:25] <baggar11> SinnerNyx: yeah
[22:26] <SinnerNyx> So, I guess its weird that it didn't upgrade my kernel automatically along with my do-release-upgrade.. :S
[22:26] <Gallomimia> probably you already had the new kernel
[22:27] <kaipair> k1l: thank you
[22:27] <hitsujiTMO> Gallomimia: useradd just adds the user to the user file ... but does not set up the extras like home dir, shell, etc ... adduser does all that
[22:27] <SinnerNyx> Gallomimia: Then why do I need to reinstall it now?
[22:27] <k1l> Gallomimia: useradd is not the ubuntu/debian standard
[22:27] <Gallomimia> i am actually looking for a raw user that doesn't have a normal login
[22:28] <keith_> Having a problem with sound getting crackly. It's intermittent, but once it starts, I have to rm .pulse-cookie and .pulse and then reboot. Any ideas how I can prevent this?
[22:28] <hitsujiTMO> Gallomimia: then use useradd for that
[22:28] <ntzrmtthihu777> Gallomimia: like the 'net' user
[22:28] <ntzrmtthihu777> ?
[22:28] <Gallomimia> don't really want it part of any/many groups. do you know a way i can read up on which groups are added by default? my experience is to use useradd with -d -s
[22:28] <wilee-nilee> LLKCKfan, Your description is a bit confusing, for example reformat what?
[22:28] <SinnerNyx> should I also install the linux-image-extra for 3.11?
[22:28] <LLKCKfan> The computer
[22:29] <hitsujiTMO> keith_: let me know if you find a fix, i have the same problem, but i rarely use sound on this system so i ignore it? is it an intel sound device?
[22:29] <wilee-nilee> LLKCKfan, For a opera problem, are these problems in others areas?
[22:29] <paolo> Hi all guys
[22:29] <keith_> chuck --probe
[22:29] <paolo> Can i ask an information please?
[22:30] <interista73> ciao
[22:30] <wilee-nilee> paolo, state the ubuntu issues for help.
[22:30] <paolo> ciao inter
[22:30] <interista73> !list
[22:30] <keith_> hitsujiTMO: yes. Intel
[22:30] <paolo> wilee i just need an information about 2 distribution of Ubuntu, i only need an help to decide who's the best for my notebook
[22:31] <Hkan> hey everyone, quick question
[22:31] <keith_> hitsujiTMO: it's most prominent when trying to use alsa-based apps
[22:31] <wilee-nilee> paolo, Just a heads up this channel is support not poling, some of these things might just be invetigated by you as this is a subjective area.
[22:31] <hitsujiTMO> keith_: this device: Audio device: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)   ?
[22:32] <Hkan> is it safe to remove the directories which named like /lib/modules/3.2.0-xx-generic
[22:32] <Hkan> because there are a lot of them and I have limited disk space
[22:33] <keith_> hitsujiTMO: remind me again how to get that info. Been a while since I've chased sound issues.
[22:33] <hitsujiTMO> keith_: lspci
[22:33] <wilee-nilee> paolo, ubuntu is ubuntu basically, you have a choice of desktops, that may be the issue as far as hardware limitations and how you use the OS in general.
[22:33] <keith_> ty
[22:34] <keith_> Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
[22:36] <hitsujiTMO> keith_: hmm, completely different one ... must be driver related then maybe ... only info i ever got was it being caused by sound levels being amplified, however nothing on mine is amplified above normal
[22:38] <Hkan> sorry to spam but, is it OK to delete folders named "3.2.0-xx-generic" in /lib/modules/
[22:38] <keith_> hitsujiTMO: The app I was using lets me set gain levels - I deliberately kept them below 70 of full.
[22:38] <paolo> guys with an old pc like 1.60ghz processorr, 512mb ram and 8gb of hardisk, any of you can tell me an nice linux distro ? i'm using right now Xubuntu 13.10 but it seems like too much heavy. Any ideas please ? i tryed to install Slitaz but i can't install it, i don't know the reason
[22:38] <k1l> Hkan: remove the old kernel and kernel-header packages
[22:38] <bekks> Hkan: Only if you already uninstalled the old kernels and their headers before.
[22:38] <OerHeks> paolo try Lubuntu or openbox
[22:39] <hitsujiTMO> paola: try lubuntu maybe, or damnsmalllinux / pullylinux
[22:39] <OerHeks> paolo openbox as windows manager on top of ubuntu
[22:39] <Hkan> I dont know how to remove old kernel and kernel-header packages, is it easy to find out from google?
[22:39] <wilee-nilee> paolo, Install lubuntu on that OS and try it it is lighter, you can completely remove xubuntu if needed.
[22:39] <keith_> hitsujiTMO: Would you, by any chance have aoss installed?
[22:39] <mathisen> paolo Puppy Linux
[22:40] <k1l> Hkan: remove the "linux-image-...." and "linux-headers-.." packages that belong to that old kernels
[22:40] <supergauntlet> mathisen: lubuntu would also probably work
[22:40] <paolo> so, lubuntu, puppy linux
[22:40] <Hkan> ok i'll try, thanks a lot
[22:40] <k1l> !lubuntu | paolo
[22:40] <hitsujiTMO> keith_: not sure what aoss is? is that the package name for it?
[22:40] <k1l> paolo: for other distirbution advices see ##linux
[22:40] <paolo> thanks all guys!
[22:41] <wilee-nilee> paolo, I suspect that computer will take up to 2 gigs ram add that.
[22:41] <SinnerNyx> Awesome, thanks for your help guys. It seems to be working now
[22:41] <paolo> Another question please: Wich programms are lighter ? i mean, midori browser is lighter more than chromium? i want to know some programms very light
[22:41] <Gallomimia> yes because ram of that age is so easy to find
[22:41] <impossible> do you use mumble
[22:41] <supergauntlet> paolo: midori is indeed lighter i believe
[22:42] <keith_> Yeah - it's the linux oss driver. Some 32 bit windows ports need it to run. I started getting this problem shortly after installing doom3
[22:42] <paolo> oh, ok supergauntlet
[22:42] <supergauntlet> good luck!
[22:42] <impossible> midori is lighter but it is not ready to be a Main Browser as there are many bugs causing crash
[22:42] <paolo> thanks man!
[22:42] <wilee-nilee> paolo, I think your main problem there is the low ram I have netbook same cpu with 2 gigs ram it run ubuntu fine.
[22:42] <Hkan> umm there's linux-image-3.2.0-55-generic package as the one with the bigger number and linux-image-generic package, should I keep them both?
[22:43] <paolo> yeah wilee-nile, infact this netbook is too much slowly..
[22:43] <wilee-nilee> paolo, with 512MB ram it is swapping that will make it really slow.
[22:43] <paolo> can i use Skype with Puppy linux/Lubuntu?
[22:44] <impossible> you can in lubuntu
[22:44] <k1l> paolo: of course you can run skype with lubuntu. for other distributions please ask their support
[22:44] <wilee-nilee> paolo, You would have to ask at the puppy channel, for actual accurate info, this is ubuntu support is all
[22:45] <paolo> oh ok guys
[22:45] <impossible> oi
[22:45] <paolo> can i use thunderbird/libreoffice with lubuntu ? I just need to use skype/read emails and use libre office " for work.
[22:45] <wilee-nilee> puppy is a nice distro though run in root is all you would want to set it as a limited user in general. paolo
[22:46] <impossible> paolo i use Lubuntu and yes you can
[22:46] <k1l> paolo: yes.
[22:46] <paolo> ok wilee and impossible, thanks you guys! realy
[22:46] <paolo> really*
[22:46] <impossible> very welcome
[22:47] <paolo> See you soon guys, just the time for putting on Lubuntu ;)
[22:47] <paolo> Se you, greetings by Italy :D
[22:47] <impossible> arrivederci
[22:48] <Gallomimia> what can i do to cease the popups from programs like pidgin xchat thunderbird and keyboard volume buttons? they simply must go away.... its a great mystery to me
[22:48] <wilee-nilee> Gallomimia, unity?
[22:48] <Gallomimia> i guess so
[22:48] <hitsujiTMO> Gallomimia: the notifications?
[22:48] <wilee-nilee> Gallomimia, ah you guess so, really.
[22:49] <LLKCKfan> I have an android tablet that I have put youtube app on I did NOT use Google Play. When I try to sign into youtubr it says an error occurred. Is there anything I can do to fix this? I did not get the app from Google Play as Google Play does not support my brand of tablet.
[22:49] <gordonjcp> LLKCKfan: this is an Ubuntu support channel
[22:49] <Gallomimia> wilee-nilee: the default in ubuntu. so far i've presumed it is unity
[22:49] <wilee-nilee> LLKCKfan, #android is where that is relevant, this is ubuntu support.
[22:49] <hitsujiTMO> Gallomimia: is thais what you want? http://askubuntu.com/questions/13464/how-can-i-customize-disable-notification-bubbles
[22:49] <LLKCKfan> Android does nopt help
[22:50] <apb> Anybody know of a good mail program?  I've given pretty much given up on Thunderbird.
[22:50] <wilee-nilee> Gallomimia, Ah, can I give a I guess answer?
[22:50] <apb> s/given//
[22:50] <wilee-nilee> Gallomimia, When you see your doctor do you want a I guess answer, do you see the point here?
[22:51] <Gallomimia> thanks hitsujiTMO i think so. wilee-nilee you may, but i have to step away as i've been invited to dine
[22:51] <Gallomimia> obv i'd rather have a better than i guess knowledge of this system, but its my first desktop on ubuntu :/ im pretty far in over my head and still getting used to that
[22:53] <wilee-nilee> LLKCKfan, google play supports android the tablet does not matter.
[22:54] <LLKCKfan> Our tablets are not licenced with GooglePlay store as of yet.
[22:54] <Neptu> hej have a problem I can see the mobile broadband icon to get a mobile broadband connection. I checked the interfaces and seems to be there so does not seem a driver problem
[22:55] <wilee-nilee> LLKCKfan, Never heard of that do you have any evidence of that?
[22:55] <hitsujiTMO> LLKCKfan: since you've sideloaded the app maybe only the guys in xda-developers.com will help
[22:55] <k1l> can we put that android issues in #android or the #ubuntu-offtopic ? thanks
[22:57] <LLKCKfan> wilee-nilee Here is the link http://www.polaroid.com/faqs/tablet-faqs/i-cannot-use-google-play-store-why
[22:59] <wilee-nilee> LLKCKfan, This will my last comment on android I don't use the #ubuntu-offtopic channel in general, it is well a kindergarten atmosphere, try this. https://f-droid.org/
[22:59] <RyanKnack> LLKCKfan is just some random troll, he goes on a variety of nets, joins random channels, and asks random questions.
[23:00] <RyanKnack> Don't even bother with him
[23:00] <LLKCKfan> NBOT A TROLL
[23:02] <keith_> hitsujiTMO: I might have figured out the audio problem
[23:02] <hitsujiTMO> o.O
[23:02] <hitsujiTMO> please tell... i've 2 systems with the same device :P
[23:03] <impossible> i want a little netbook
[23:03] <keith_> hitsujiTMO: load and run paman. Adjust output level to less than 100%. I moved mine to 96%, and the problem cleared up instantly.
[23:07] <wilee-nilee> impossible, and that has to do with ubuntu how?
[23:08] <XLV> how to change ip and mask, gateway to ubuntu 13.10 server?
[23:09] <XLV> all the guides seem depreciated.. files dont exist where they are described to
[23:09] <baggar11> XLV: edit your /etc/network/interfaces file
[23:09] <XLV> baggar11 no such file
[23:09] <wilee-nilee> impossible, if you are looking for certified stuff, http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/ not everything is there that will run is all.
[23:09] <XLV> baggar11 only interfaces.d in there
[23:09] <hitsujiTMO> keith_: ill try that, chhers
[23:10] <baggar11> XLV: something went wrong during install then. I'm on 13.10 and I have one.
[23:10] <XLV> baggar11 server?
[23:10] <baggar11> XLV: or you could always try adding the interfaces file
[23:10] <baggar11> XLV: yes, 13.10 server here
[23:10] <XLV> baggar11 the pc is working fine.. and has ip from dhcp i want to give it a static
[23:11] <baggar11> XLV: try adding the file then, see what happens...
[23:12] <XLV> baggar11 http://pastebin.com/3mgfQ0me if that makes any sense of existing link
[23:12] <XLV> baggar11 it cant even find eth0, it uses a p2p1 device
[23:13] <XLV> haha http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/programming-9/network-interface-name-eth0-p2p1-ra0-4175457355/
[23:13] <XLV> thats fucking great.. gone are the eth, here come the p2p1
[23:13] <IdleOne> XLV: Please keep the language clean in here
[23:13] <baggar11> XLV: weird, haven't seen those yet
[23:13] <XLV> IdleOne oop
[23:13] <XLV> s
[23:14] <mysterbubbles> How would I set an internal DVD drive to auto mount upon DVD insertion in Ubuntu Server (i.e. headless setup, without gnome)?
[23:14] <oscargot> Hi I'm trying to use DD to make a bootable Windows usb but for some reason dd is only writing to 2gb of the full 8b capacity (says usb ran out of space)
[23:14] <wilee-nilee> oscargot, what windows release?
[23:15] <oscargot> wilee-nilee windows 7
[23:15] <wilee-nilee> oscargot, Make a ntfs partition with a boot flag, and extract the iso with archive manager.
[23:16] <oscargot> wilee-nilee,  I MAY have messed up the usb by formatting it a few times using gparted as well and zeroing the usb with dd
[23:16] <oscargot> wilee-nilee, do you mean using gparted? Gparted only sees 2gb as the capcity as well
[23:16] <wilee-nilee> oscargot, I doubt that it probably needes a partition table is all.
[23:16] <Neptu> hej someone know how to run a 3G internal modem in ubuntu?
[23:17] <Neptu> I have a WWAN0 interface... does that mean the modem is ready to go?
[23:17] <wilee-nilee> oscargot, If the usb is broken use one that is not
[23:18] <oscargot> wilee-nilee, I don't think it's broken just yet..I can copy files to it just fine > 2gb, just when using Gparted and DD it only shows 2gb, I will try the method you suggested however.
[23:18] <SuperFAQ_com_br> hi
[23:18] <wilee-nilee> oscargot, are you sure it is 8 gigs?
[23:19] <impossible> does logging take up alot of space
[23:19] <impossible> for chat
[23:19] <oscargot> wilee-nilee, yes I'm quite sure it is I do have other usbs lying around still though
[23:19] <dr_willis> impossible: not really.
[23:20] <dr_willis> its text files. impossible  so 1mb is a lot of text
[23:20] <impossible> i would have to manual delete?
[23:21] <dr_willis> depends on the irc client i imagine  impossible . checks it docs
[23:21] <dr_willis> or just disable logging
[23:22] <XLV> !xfce
[23:25] <Kion> can anybody tell me what happened in ubuntu one and gnome on 13:10?
[23:25] <mysterbubbles> How would I set an internal DVD drive to auto mount upon DVD insertion in Ubuntu Server (i.e. headless setup, without gnome)? -- Anyone have any ideas?
[23:26] <dr_willis> Kion:  what do you mean..
[23:26] <jkbbwr> My operating system says I have hold broken packages
[23:26] <jkbbwr> but I have none
[23:26] <jkbbwr> how fix
[23:27] <dr_willis> mysterbubbles:  look at the automount services in the repos
[23:27] <Kion> dr_willis: I do not see the green check marks anymore on my files...
[23:27] <dr_willis> !info autofs
[23:27] <pseubodot> eek. I seem to have lost X on a machine where I did the 13.04->13.10 upgrade
[23:27] <k1l> jkbbwr: what does "sudo apt-get update&&sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" say? please in a pastebin
[23:27] <pseubodot> (X is running, but the screen is black)
[23:28] <dr_willis> pseubodot: login screen works?
[23:28] <pseubodot> I can shell into the box to see what's going on
[23:28] <pseubodot> dr_willis: no login screen visible.
[23:28] <dr_willis> pseubodot: sounds like a video driver issue
[23:28] <pseubodot> dr_willis: concur
[23:28] <dingle> hello i somehow deleted my sound card driver, i cant get any audio at all on my laptop, can anybody help?
[23:29] <dr_willis> ssh in    sudo service lightdm restart      see if the screen changes
[23:29] <pseubodot> dr_willis: shall do
[23:30] <jkbbwr> k1l: http://pastebin.com/evKaXPku
[23:30] <dingle> how can i reinstall my sound card driver on ubuntu 12.04
[23:30] <pseubodot> dr_willis: done, I saw text on the screen for a brief second, then back to black
[23:31] <clayton_> Hello! Can someone help me? I've updated my graphics drivers to the recommended one, and now precise just boots to a command line.
[23:31] <pseubodot> dr_willis: (I actually did try that previously, same result)
[23:31] <clayton_> if I try to run unity from there, I get an warning 'no DISPLAY variable set', and then compiz (core) gives a fatal error.
[23:33] <pseubodot> dr_willis: was running nvidia-319 after upgrade (if I recall correctly), so I removed it and installed nvidia-304, and then restarted. still no joy.
[23:33] <dingle> can anybody help??
[23:33] <pseubodot> dingle: what's the sound card?
[23:33] <k1l> jkbbwr: where do you get that message that you have packages hold back?
[23:34] <pseubodot> dingle: and what's the issue with said card?
[23:34] <jkbbwr> k1l: wheneveer I try to sudo apt-get insall hhvm
[23:34] <garcianc> pseubodot, if I may make a suggestion. I would try booting into a different mode. You could try running startx from the command line and see what happens.
[23:34] <dingle> i accidentaly deleted the driver and now its not detected at all
[23:34] <jkbbwr> k1l: http://pastebin.com/DwhdGnQ1
[23:35] <pseubodot> garcianc: (standby, little interrupt unit asking me to brush her teeth)
[23:35] <clayton_> (my gpu is an NDVIDA GeForce GTX 460. Not sure what I have to do to roll back the drivers to the ones that worked...)
[23:35] <dr_willis> dingle: deleted how?
[23:35] <dingle> dr_willis: i don't know, its just not there
[23:36] <k1l> jkbbwr: ok, that is a different situation then the hold back packages. your 3rd party repo seems to not be set up properly
[23:36] <jkbbwr> damn
[23:36] <dingle> dr_willis: the sound card works fine when i'm on windows but not when i'm on ubuntu
[23:37] <pseubodot> garcianc: ok, back. Initially, when I was trying to figure out what was going on, I stopped lightdm (service lightdm stop), and then ran (as my user) startx
[23:37] <pseubodot> garcianc: same result -- black screen
[23:38] <dr_willis> dingle: that dosent mean you deleted anything
[23:38] <pseubodot> garcianc: everything else seems to be working on the box (my scripts, etc, all seem to be happy and running as they should), and I can run X apps off of that box from the one I'm on now
[23:39] <pseubodot> dingle: what sound card do you have?
[23:39] <pixmin> hi, debian have stopped packaging compiz, does that mean ubuntu will too since it's based on debian?
[23:39] <wilee-nilee> pseubodot, a nvidia reload needs a reboot I believe to start it up.
[23:39] <garcianc> pseubodot, when you ran startx, did you see any messages that might give you a hint of what's going on?
[23:39] <pixmin> or is there someone dedicated to keeping compiz on ubuntu even if dropped by debian?
[23:39] <pseubodot> wilee-nilee: good point. I restarted the box after installing the new drivers
[23:39] <k1l> pixmin: nope. the current unity is based on compiz.
[23:39] <pseubodot> wilee-nilee: same deal.
[23:40] <pixmin> k1l, thanks :) I never thought I would say this, but thank god for unity!
[23:40] <pseubodot> garcianc: I will look through the X logs again to see
[23:40]  * pseubodot goes to shower child process
[23:41] <k1l> pixmin: the former compiz dev was even hired by canonical.  but with the change to newer xservers compiz will get dropped off. but that still takes some time
[23:42] <pixmin> k1l, ok, thanks for the info, much appreciated :)
[23:42] <clayton_> so, is there anything I can do to fix my driver issue?
[23:42] <PatrickDickey> I highly doubt the compiz developer is a one-trick pony anyhow. I'd imagine he/she will be active in the new X server development too.
[23:43] <pixmin> great, that's good news :)
[23:44] <k1l> PatrickDickey: alot of stuff that compiz was famous for is (or will be) replaced by the desktops in future
[23:45] <pixmin> without running ubuntu (I'm using the packages.ubuntu.com website), how do I find out which packages contains the "expo" plugin?
[23:46] <Dr_Willis_> !find expo
[23:46] <kieppie> hi folks
[23:46] <kieppie> can't say I'm really all that impressed with the new release....
[23:46] <pixmin> I've searched for "expo" in package content but it returns an error: No contents information available for this suite
[23:46] <kieppie> bugs are.... legion. many
[23:46] <Dr_Willis_> pixmin:  i recall a compiz-plugins-extra or somthing like that name
[23:46] <kieppie> fast & frequent. new laptop, new installation....
[23:46] <pixmin> Dr_Willis_, thanks a bunch
[23:47] <Dr_Willis_> kieppie:  compiz-plugins-extra - transitional dummy package.
[23:47] <pixmin> Dr_Willis_, I've just installed the extra packages but it's not there, will look and come back, thanks :)
[23:47] <Dr_Willis_> compiz-plugins - OpenGL window and compositing manager - plugins
[23:47] <kieppie> Dr_Willis_: ????
[23:47] <Dr_Willis_> theres also a compiz-plugins-main  and -main-default
[23:48] <Dr_Willis_> those are the only 4 compiz plugin packages i see in the repos on 13.10
[23:49] <pixmin> thanks a bunch Dr_Willis_ I'll try to install the others
[23:49] <kieppie> wireless stack that worked fine on 13.04 is now completely borked, display driver fubar, restarting networking borks display (I mean, really! wtf!?), apps that were installed & configured prior to do-release-upgrade are missing post-install.......
[23:49] <kieppie> on & on
[23:49] <kieppie> & on & on
[23:50] <Dr_Willis_> kieppie:  give us a real support question, rant elsewhere.
[23:50] <k1l> kieppie: this is not a channel for ranting. please give more details on the specific issues if you would like to have support
[23:50] <cuddylier> Would tar still put files into its tar that changed as it was reading it?
[23:51] <cuddylier> Or does it skip it?
[23:51] <hellangel> try it =)
[23:51] <Dr_Willis_> yes > testfile.txt
[23:51] <Dr_Willis_> tar textfile.txt options
[23:52] <cuddylier> So it would skip it?
[23:52] <Dr_Willis_> no idea.
[23:52] <cuddylier> I can't try it very well when I'm tarring something that is 11gb
[23:52] <cuddylier> As in check
[23:52] <Dr_Willis_> try it with a test case.. like i showed above.
[23:52] <cuddylier> Is that not just tarring it after a change?
[23:52] <Dr_Willis_> i imagine tareing files that are being actively written to - is not a good idera
[23:53] <Dr_Willis_> yes command would keep writeing to the file..
[23:53] <Dr_Willis_> yes 'hello world'
[23:53] <clayton_> Is it a common experience to be stuck in the command line after updating graphics drivers and rebooting?
[23:54] <kieppie> Dr_Willis_: I've been an ardent Ubuntu user & supporter for as long as I remember, but this release has broken more than most releases. Sounds like a rant, but just general frustration of what seems a pretty poor release IMHO. got a new laptop - HP envy - & the wifi stack is broken on this new upgrade. when I try to fix the wifi stack - starting by simply restarting the networking stack - the display goes all fubar (an issue present fo
[23:54] <k1l> clayton_: depends on what you did exactly.
[23:54] <k1l> clayton_: why didnt you use the drivers offered form ubuntu?
[23:54] <PatrickDickey> If I had to guess, I'd say that tar will save whatever the file looked like at the moment it added it. So, any changes after that would be lost. But, I'm not sure.
[23:54] <Dr_Willis_> kieppie:  cant say ive seen veyr many peoiple with the problem. but this is the support channel. for general ranting and discussions - hit the ot channel
[23:55] <kieppie> :/
[23:55] <XLV> kieppie so use the older release if its so fubared
[23:55] <Dr_Willis_> PatrickDickey:  what if it was also comoppressing the file.
[23:55] <Dr_Willis_> compressing.
[23:55] <mahir256> i'm using lubuntu 13.10 and while typing using ibus in libreoffice the preview window's not showing at all and i can't cycle through the choices
[23:56] <clayton_> k1l: I'm pretty much a newbie to this. (I'm on 12.4). There was a popup that said "hey, here are some closed source drivers. you should update". So I picked the "recommended" one.
[23:56] <dingle> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=323f6e5b02fd2da8ff9478b71a28be87484c925e can anybody please tell me what the problem is with my sound card
[23:56] <kieppie> XLV: rollback is a PITA. if I'm gonna go through that effort, I may just roll with vanilla debian..... Issue is that this is my work machine & it's production-readyness is.... questionable. will see if other are having similar issues @ the OT channel
[23:57] <dingle> the sound card is not being detected by ubuntu 12.04, can somebody help? http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=323f6e5b02fd2da8ff9478b71a28be87484c925e
[23:57] <Dr_Willis_> i do recall askubuntu.com haveing a posting about network restarts crashing X.
[23:57] <Dr_Willis_> !sound
[23:58] <dingle> Dr_Willis, there's no volume applet
[23:58] <k1l> kieppie: see launchpad.net if  there are known bugs and if you could help to solve the bugs. if no bugs are known file new bugs. this is actually something that helps. and not ranting to volunteers
[23:58] <dingle> Dr_Willis: its not showing and when i click on the sound settings, nothing is there
[23:59] <k1l> clayton_: which videocard? are the kernel-headers installed? what dies the log say? (dmesg,apt-log)