[00:10] <Espeonxoxo> I have an old sony vio board VGC-rb40
[00:10] <Espeonxoxo> and a usb dic drive
[00:10] <Espeonxoxo> im trying to install xubuntu
[00:10] <Espeonxoxo> but the board is not picking it up
[00:30] <melodie> good night
[00:36] <perola> Hello. I am using xubuntu 13.04 and I have configured power manager correctly for it to so to suspend on lid closure for both AC and battery, however, when I close the lid the laptop does not suspend, why could this be and how could it be fixed? Suspending explicitely works
[02:57] <RJ45> I want Xubuntu to save my screenshots like Ubuntu saved my screenshots, with the title of the window as the title of the screenshots, instead of just a date and time (which is stupid BTW).  PLEASE TELL ME HOW! 0_0
[02:59] <holstein> RJ45: i would look and see about adding that same screenshot tool..
[02:59] <RJ45> holstein: come on!, there's gotta be a way using Xubuntu's tool!
[03:00] <RJ45> some kinda running modifier?
[03:00] <RJ45> --something maybe?
[03:00] <holstein> RJ45: im sure there is, and its all open.. wait patiently for a volunteer who might know.. cheers
[03:00] <RJ45> ¬_¬
[03:00] <holstein> all i can suggest is, if you want the funcitonality of a specific tool, just use that tool
[03:06] <RJ45> holstein: I wouldn't even know how to get that to run in background...
[03:07] <holstein> RJ45: what screenshot tool are you using?
[03:07] <RJ45> well the default of-cause, 'xfce3-screenshooter'
[03:08] <RJ45> what I probably wanna use is 'gnome-screenshot'
[03:08] <RJ45> I'm guessing it's all 'bout keybindings?
[03:08] <RJ45> hold on, I'll try something...
[03:23] <RJ45> ugh.. I kinda figured it out, *sigh* close enough :/
[03:23] <RJ45> not happy.
[03:23] <RJ45> but close-enough for me to care :|
[03:31] <RJ45> great, not even the other tool is doing the same thing!
[03:31] <RJ45> x_x
[03:31] <RJ45> I just want my screenshots to automatically be named after the window!
[03:32] <holstein> RJ45: well, you want them to be automatically named differently than they are being named by default
[03:32] <holstein> RJ45: let me look for a config file...
[03:32] <RJ45> but gnome-screenshot is doing the exact same thing xfce4-screenshooter !, the thing I'ng trying to avoid! x_x
[03:32] <RJ45> I can't win :(
[03:33] <holstein> RJ45: win?.. its just a screenshot, friend.. you can always just rename them.. but, let me look..
[03:33] <RJ45> renameing my screenshots, everyth single time I take a screenshot, to names often over 40 characters long!?!, lol, NOPE!!!
[03:34] <RJ45> gotta be automated
[03:34] <holstein> RJ45: you want to name them over 40 charachers?
[03:34] <holstein> characters*
[03:34] <RJ45> and gotta be named after the window being captured
[03:34] <holstein> RJ45: it doesnt "gotta" be.. you prefer it to be.. and, im sure it can
[03:34] <RJ45> I repeat, HAVE-TO be named after the window being captured
[03:35] <RJ45> why are they being named after the date and time in the first place!?!, that's that metadata's for! 0_0
[03:36] <RJ45> so stupid
[03:36] <holstein> RJ45: no need to repeat.. but, its a preference that you have, not a requirement, or "stupid"
[03:36] <RJ45> you gotta admit, it doesn't make a-lot of sense when there's exif for the date and time..
[03:36] <RJ45> not exif, I mean meta*
[03:37] <holstein> RJ45: i prefer it, actually.. the time stamp
[03:37] <RJ45> but it's in the meta data anyways! x_x agh
[03:37] <RJ45> ._.
[03:38] <RJ45> well whatever, I still really want my good ol' screenshots back :/
[03:38] <holstein> RJ45: you mean, the naming scheme..
[03:38] <holstein> RJ45: have you tried other screenshot tools?
[03:38] <holstein> !info scrot
[03:38] <RJ45> ¬_¬
[03:39] <RJ45> holstein: r u for real? x_x
[03:39] <holstein> RJ45: when i search and find folks with that issue, they suggest scrot
[03:39] <RJ45> gnome-screenshot is the one I used-to use!
[03:40] <RJ45> I just want it to work like it did in Ubuntu 10.04
[03:40] <holstein> RJ45: you care to try scrot? while im searching, as a vounteer, for how to rename them in the xfce tool?
[03:40] <RJ45> I installed gnome-screenshot in hopes it'd work as it did in Ubuntu, but it's not.
[03:40] <RJ45> it's doing the exact same thin xfce4-screenshooter is doing :(
[03:40] <RJ45> thing*
[03:41] <holstein> RJ45: scrot is a different one.. would you care to try it? or just wait for another volunteer?
[03:41] <RJ45> holstein: I appreciate your free help, I really do, it's just.. you've said nothing helpfull :/
[03:42] <RJ45> thanks anyway I guess ._.
[03:42] <holstein> RJ45: the old gnome screenshot tool has changed..
[03:43] <RJ45> oh no
[03:43] <holstein> RJ45: ?
[03:43] <RJ45> ohy please no
[03:43] <RJ45> oh the horror
[03:43] <RJ45> what the hell is with the Ubuntu devs these days!?
[03:43] <holstein> RJ45: we now its changed.. im looking for the config on how to change the naming scheme for the current tool you are using..
[03:43] <holstein> !language | RJ45
[03:43] <RJ45> they, like, flipped
[03:44] <holstein> RJ45: this is not the "ubuntu" channel.. the tool would bascially be inherited from upstream xfce
[03:44] <RJ45> holstein: thank you very much kind sir, but seriously, 'cos I said 'hell'!?, are you for real?
[03:45] <RJ45> holstein: anyway, I really do appreciate your help here
[03:45] <RJ45> holstein: seriously, thanks in advanced! :D
[03:45] <holstein> RJ45: this is relevant http://mail.xfce.org/pipermail/xfce4-commits/2009-October/003886.html
[03:46] <RJ45> lol, this is sausage to me x_x
[03:46] <RJ45> please bear in-mind that although I have a working understanding of many things Linux-ey, by IRC standards I am a noob :P
[03:47] <holstein> RJ45: have a look at the /topic and guidelines
[03:47] <RJ45> why?
[03:47] <RJ45> what's up?
[03:47] <RJ45> o.o
[03:48] <holstein> RJ45: enjoy your stay.. please try and keep the channel clear of anything besides support related questions and answers.. good luck!
[03:48] <RJ45> would booting-up Ubuntu 10.04 in Virtualbox, and copying a particular config file over work?, or just screw things up?
[03:49] <RJ45> holstein: I never said anything off-topic! o.O
[03:50] <RJ45> hahah, starting a whole virtual machine just for a config file XD  , but I'm desperate and willing to do so.
[03:50] <RJ45> holstein: so, would it work?
[03:52] <RJ45> hmm, I wonder if installing an older downgrade of gnome-screenshot would work?, it's a stab in the dark for sure...
[03:59] <holstein> RJ45: its not something i would be interested in for that particular functionality.. i would try scrot, which should allow easily selecting a filename when the screenshot is taken
[04:01] <RJ45> holstein: lol, so does xfce4-screenshooter and gnome-screenshot, but what I am really desperate for is for my 'AUTO name after captured window' functionality back :(
[04:01] <holstein> RJ45: i open a terminal, and type "scrot filename.png" and a screenshot named "filename.png" is in my home directory
[04:02] <holstein> RJ45: i dont use xfce4-screenshooter, and when i have, i have always just renamed them, if needed, after taking them. when i search, i see that it seems customizing the filename has been commited upstream. i do not see where to set that functionality
[04:03] <RJ45> holstein: does that automatically name the screenshot after the window that was captured?, what, it doesn't? oh.. ¬_¬
[04:03] <holstein> RJ45: nothing has been removed from xubuntu, however. you are used to the functionality of the gnome tool, which has been changed upstream as well
[04:03] <holstein> RJ45: when you refer to "it" above, are you asking how scrot names the file? it names it as i specify by the command i gave
[04:03] <holstein> RJ45: "scrot windowname.png" for example
[04:03] <RJ45> *sigh*, I'm gonna go ahead and risk seeing if an old deprecated package will do what I want
[04:04] <holstein> RJ45: it will likely be problematic. gnome changed drastically since 10.04
[04:04] <RJ45> yes, but I'm on Xubuntu :D
[04:04] <RJ45> so I'm feeling confident :)
[04:05] <holstein> RJ45: ok... gtk has changed drastically since ubuntu or xubuntu 10.04
[04:05] <RJ45> hmm, welp, wish me luck :/
[04:05] <holstein> RJ45: i actually suggest you dont try it.. but enjoy!
[04:06] <RJ45> what's the worst that could happen?
[04:06] <RJ45> dodgy screenshots?
[04:07] <RJ45> "Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: gnome-utils-common (>= 2.30)"  oh boy, well, that sucks :(
[04:07] <RJ45> guess I'm stuck then ._.
[04:08] <RJ45> I don't know much, but I've been using Ubuntu and Xubuntu long enough to know that if I install that, I am gonna have BIG problems :/
[04:11] <RJ45> holstein: wait wait wait, what if, I were to open the deprecated deb in archive manager, extract just the config file, and use that with the newer package?
[04:11] <RJ45> could it work?
[04:11] <RJ45> :o
[04:11] <holstein> RJ45: you are asking for a config for a piece of software the is not made anymore, basically
[04:11] <holstein> that is not made*
[04:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> What is RJ45 trying to do, again?
[04:11] <RJ45> hmm
[04:11] <RJ45> Poisoned_Dragon: oh boy...
[04:12] <holstein> Poisoned_Dragon: wants custom filenames (automatically) from the screenshot tool..
[04:12] <Poisoned_Dragon> define custom
[04:12] <holstein> Poisoned_Dragon: window name?
[04:12] <RJ45> Poisoned_Dragon: do you remember how in the days of Ubuntu 10.04, screenshots of windows were automatically named after the window being captured?
[04:13] <RJ45> Poisoned_Dragon: well, I DESPERATELY want that back :/
[04:13] <holstein> RJ45: assume no one remembers, or used gnome at all
[04:13] <RJ45> holstein: aw man :'(
[04:13] <holstein> RJ45: say what you want.. what is the filename *exactly* that you want?
[04:13] <Poisoned_Dragon> Actually, I wasn't heavy into ubuntu at 10.04
[04:13] <Poisoned_Dragon> I came in around 11.10
[04:13]  * RJ45 silently weeps
[04:14] <holstein> RJ45: only questions or answers please.. thanks
[04:14] <holstein> RJ45: state an *exact* sample filename
[04:14] <Poisoned_Dragon> using xubuntu, RJ45?
[04:14] <RJ45> Poisoned_Dragon: yes
[04:15] <Poisoned_Dragon> So, you want to know if xfce4-screenshooter can do this?
[04:16] <holstein> Poisoned_Dragon: from http://mail.xfce.org/pipermail/xfce4-commits/2009-October/003886.html , i read that it can, or could
[04:16] <RJ45> say I wanna screenshot a web-page, I'm on some weird website, instead of the screenshot being named the date and time, I want it to be automatically named after the window, in this case let's say 'Cute Guys With Blue Eyes - Firefox.png'.
[04:17] <holstein> RJ45: i can use scrot and type "scrot CuteGuysWithBlueEyesFirefox.png" and get that.. is that not acceptable for you?
[04:18] <RJ45> holstein: I REALLY can't be typing the name every screenshot, for me at-least, it really MUST be AUTOmatically named after the window 0_0
[04:19] <RJ45> holstein: also, as I've said 3 times now, what you say 'scrot' can do, both tools I've tried already do.
[04:20] <RJ45> holstein: if I could settle for that, I wouldn't even be here, you have no idea just how important it is to me, for every screenshot to be automatically named according to the window being captured (just like in Ubuntu 10.04)
[04:21] <RJ45> this is, sooo important to me, I really can't stress enough how much I need this.
[04:21] <Poisoned_Dragon> I see what he wants.
[04:21] <RJ45> Poisoned_Dragon: :D
[04:22] <Poisoned_Dragon> But, there doesn't seem to be a -option to create that effect.
[04:22] <RJ45> Poisoned_Dragon: I know, I checked :(
[04:22] <RJ45> in Ubuntu 10.04, it just, worked :/
[04:23] <RJ45> I have Ubuntu 10.04 live .iso open in a VM right now, I can get anything from there that could help in this situation, any requests?
[04:24] <RJ45> well, the man pages are exactly the same :|
[04:24] <Poisoned_Dragon> Well, ubuntu 10.04 used a different DE
[04:24] <Poisoned_Dragon> So, wasn't that a different capture tool?
[04:26] <RJ45> Poisoned_Dragon: different to Xubuntu?, well yes, 'gnome-screenshot', I tried installing it on Xubuntu though, and it named the files exactly the same as the one that came with it did x_x  (xfce4-screenshooter)
[04:26] <RJ45> you see, this is where it gets quite problematic, isn't it?
[04:27] <Poisoned_Dragon> hmm... that depends.
[04:28] <Poisoned_Dragon> lemme google-fu some more.
[04:29] <RJ45> Poisoned_Dragon: I can't try installing an old deprecated version of it, as of-course, that package depends on gnome-2 stuff, and gnome-2 stuff on a 12.04 system...
[04:29] <RJ45> you get the picture.
[04:31] <RJ45> BTW guys, I really, do appreciate all of your effort, despite not being able to get very far, I'm humbled by your willingness to try :)
[04:39] <akis> hi. today the system asked for 2 updates (i dont remember what about) and after these updates lightning 2.6.1 (as add on of thunderbird)  doesn't work and the tab looks gray without any editing possibility. any idea of what happened?
[04:41] <holstein> akis: could be a user config issue.. i would try (if you are not comfortable juggling config files) testing as a different user. other than that, you can try stepping back the version of thunderbird and testing
[04:42] <RJ45> akis: it's soo many problems like this resulting from updates which is why I always disable updates and all my Linux installs, they're supposed to be important for security, and even 'fix things', but all I've ever heard (and experienced) is problems.
[04:42] <akis> thunderbird works fine. just lightning is "grey". Yesterday evening everything worked perfect and i updated my data normally
[04:43] <RJ45> simply install Linux OS of your choice, disable updates, and fine-tune everything from there, that's all I'm saying.
[04:43] <RJ45> holstein: sorry for slightly straying from 'topic' just expressing a small point., sorry.
[04:44] <akis> i am pretty sure that today's 2 updates are responsible for this issue because the same issue appears to my 2nd machine after update was allowed. any idea how can i see those 2 today's updates justo to realize how they affected the syste?
[04:45] <well_laid_lawn> it will depend on what was updated
[04:45] <well_laid_lawn> a new thunderbird means it's probably the addon that isn't compatible anymore
[04:46] <akis> i didnt notice. no thunderbird update.
[04:47] <well_laid_lawn> try starting thunderbird from a terminal to catch any error messages
[04:48] <akis> it starts normally. it gave the following message: [calBackendLoader] Using libical backend at /home/user/.thunderbird/ngwzktg8.default/extensions/{e2fda1a4-762b-4020-b5ad-a41df1933103}/components/libical.manifest
[04:49] <akis> paste
[04:51] <akis> when i tried to open lightning tab i got the following message in the consol http://paste.ubuntu.com/6304435/
[04:53] <akis> well_laid_lawn: any idea about these messages?
[04:54] <well_laid_lawn> looks like the addon isn't working right
[04:54] <well_laid_lawn> a java or xulrunner update might have done it
[04:55] <akis> that's right. but it worked perfect some hours ago. the problem appeared toady morning after those 2 damn last updates
[04:55] <holstein> RJ45: you switched versions, and prefer functionality that is in an older version.. this is not an upgrade breakage issue
[04:56] <akis> is there any way to trace those 2 last updates?
[04:56] <well_laid_lawn> apt should have a log
[04:56] <holstein> akis: how is it as a defferent user? to remove your user configuration from the equation
[04:57] <akis> i have not a different user profile.
[04:58] <holstein> akis: you might want to consider either checking as a different user, or by temporarily moving the user config and testing
[04:58] <RJ45> holstein: I never said.. err, what?
[04:59] <Poisoned_Dragon> RJ45, it looks like I'm striking out.
[04:59] <RJ45> holstein: I just want it to work the way I want it to work!, isn't that what Linux is all about?, having it *your way*?
[04:59] <RJ45> Poisoned_Dragon: :/
[04:59] <holstein> RJ45: disabling updates would have no effect on you likeing something from 10.04 and running a newer version now
[04:59] <Poisoned_Dragon> It might have been a feature that was removed.
[04:59] <Poisoned_Dragon> Strangely, I can't seem to find evidence that it existed
[04:59] <RJ45> holstein: I never said anything like that!
[04:59] <holstein> RJ45: the code is all open, so you *can* have it the way you want. it just might not be "easy".. i would refer to upstream xfce
[04:59] <RJ45> holstein: what are you even talking about!?!
[05:00] <kingbeowolf> how can i make it so the username that appears in the top right corner looks more like the gear symbol in unity?
[05:00] <holstein> kingbeowolf: do you have a screenshot of what you are looking for?
[05:00] <RJ45> kingbeowolf: hahah, dream on
[05:00] <RJ45> ¬_¬
[05:00] <kingbeowolf> :D
[05:01] <holstein> RJ45: use the OT channel for that, please
[05:01] <kingbeowolf> I'd just like to replace my username with an icon
[05:01] <RJ45> kingbeowolf: I'd like peanut butter on my chocolate :P
[05:02] <well_laid_lawn> that's not very constructive ...
[05:03] <kingbeowolf> i don't know how customizable xfce is
[05:03] <kingbeowolf> was just curious if it was something some one already did
[05:03] <kingbeowolf> Are panels some kind of script file?
[05:06] <Poisoned_Dragon> I have mine very tricked out
[05:06] <Poisoned_Dragon> I even use Plank
[05:06] <Poisoned_Dragon> Wanna see a screenshot?
[05:06] <kingbeowolf> i use docky how is plank different?
[05:06] <kingbeowolf> sure
[05:07] <Poisoned_Dragon> Plank is a simpler version of Docky. No widgets and suck. But, Plank will be the basis for Docky3, which will have the fancy stuff.
[05:08] <kingbeowolf> I noticed docky crashes when using ubuntu software center does plank?
[05:09] <Poisoned_Dragon> nope
[05:09] <kingbeowolf> well thats good
[05:09] <Poisoned_Dragon> http://www.picpaste.com/kCLwBvWv.png
[05:09] <kingbeowolf> so far that is the only thing that crashes on xubuntu
[05:11] <akis> other users faced the same issue  https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=925823
[05:12] <Poisoned_Dragon> did you see, kingbeowolf?
[05:13] <kingbeowolf> the bug report?
[05:13] <Poisoned_Dragon> no, the screen cap
[05:13] <Poisoned_Dragon> lol
[05:13] <kingbeowolf> oh ya one sec
[05:15] <kingbeowolf> thats pretty good
[05:15] <Poisoned_Dragon> :)
[05:15] <kingbeowolf> plank seems alot different
[05:15] <kingbeowolf> what are those black sqaures with icons in it?
[05:16] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh... you can load folders in plank with shortcuts.
[05:16] <Poisoned_Dragon> So, I made folders to group certain apps together.
[05:16] <Poisoned_Dragon> The folders have symbolic links to the .desktop files.
[05:17] <kingbeowolf> i see thats cool
[05:17] <Poisoned_Dragon> gives it that app drawer look
[05:18] <kingbeowolf> my desktop looks similar
[05:18] <Poisoned_Dragon> lemme see
[05:26] <kingbeowolf> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-10252013-102539pm.php
[05:27] <kingbeowolf> Poisoned_Dragon: ^
[05:27] <kingbeowolf> sorry it took a second usually i use screen cloud
[05:27] <akis> how can i update my thunderbird version from 24.0 to 24.0.1 so i fix the issue between thunderbird and lightning as i read already. 24.0.1 is not in synaptic. i downloaded from mozilla site but what do i have to do to install it?
[05:27] <kingbeowolf> it doesn't work in 13.10 for some reason
[05:27] <Poisoned_Dragon> That's cool. But, with Plank installed, I took out my window buttons plugin
[05:28] <Poisoned_Dragon> Made room for other things in my primary panel
[05:28] <kingbeowolf> yeah totally
[05:28] <kingbeowolf> i just installed xubuntu today :D
[05:28] <Poisoned_Dragon> :)
[05:29] <kingbeowolf> i was using Unity but got tired of programs crashing
[05:29] <Poisoned_Dragon> Well, Docky seems cool with the widgets. You used that to your advantage by removing the clock from the panel.
[05:30] <kingbeowolf> it has a few more widgets that are ok
[05:30] <Poisoned_Dragon> Part of me wanted to use Docky but, I didn't need it to be too fancy.
[05:30] <Poisoned_Dragon> I wanted to keep it light
[05:30] <kingbeowolf> you cant really get rid of the xfce panel because you still need the notification area
[05:30] <kingbeowolf> i think docky needs a widget for that or what ever plank calls it
[05:31] <kingbeowolf> then with synapse you wouldn't even need the xfce menu either
[05:32] <Poisoned_Dragon> Well.... You could make the panel smaller. Ofset the notification and indicator plugins to the end.
[05:32] <Poisoned_Dragon> Even make it so that the panel doesn't even span the whole edge of the screen.
[05:33] <Poisoned_Dragon> Aww, crud. Now you got me thinking about my layout again.
[05:33] <Poisoned_Dragon> I just got done perfecting it 2 days ago.
[05:34] <kingbeowolf> hahah
[05:34] <Poisoned_Dragon> You know what, I might make my top panel into two.
[05:34] <kingbeowolf> its like a strange obsession
[05:35] <Poisoned_Dragon> Seperating my indicators and things from the app menu end.
[05:35] <Poisoned_Dragon> It is!
[05:35] <Poisoned_Dragon> Way more exciting than windows. :)
[05:36] <Poisoned_Dragon> I've never felt so good about a DE until xfce. Then Plank sealed the deal.
[05:36] <kingbeowolf> yeah i tried finding AWN but it hasn't been updated
[05:36] <Poisoned_Dragon> AWN?
[05:37] <kingbeowolf> a lot of good apps aren't being updated any more
[05:37] <kingbeowolf> avant window manager
[05:37] <kingbeowolf> another dock
[05:37] <kingbeowolf> it was what i used in the past
[05:37] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh, I've heard of that, in passing
[05:38] <kingbeowolf> it has a lot of cool features
[05:38] <kingbeowolf> i tried to compile it but it wouldn't build
[05:38] <kingbeowolf> keep getting dependency errors
[05:39] <Poisoned_Dragon> awww :(
[05:39] <kingbeowolf> yeah i also tried to compile the newest version or miro and it would't compile either
[05:40] <kingbeowolf> the version or miro bundled in 13.10 is so bad i am surprised they bundled it.
[05:41] <Poisoned_Dragon> I'm not a big fan of miro
[05:41] <kingbeowolf> i also used screencloud a nice screenshot program but it isn't compatible with 13.10
[05:41] <kingbeowolf> i have a few podcasts i listen to and it seemed to manage that stuff really well and predictably
[05:41] <kingbeowolf> banshee is ok but doesn't look as pretty
[05:42] <Poisoned_Dragon> heh
[05:42] <kingbeowolf> Poisoned_Dragon: check this out http://forum.pinguyos.com/Thread-How-to-customize-Xfce-4-10
[05:43] <Poisoned_Dragon> kingbeowolf, http://www.webupd8.org/2012/11/how-to-install-avant-window-navigator.html
[05:43] <Poisoned_Dragon> If you're feeling daring
[05:44] <Poisoned_Dragon> Ever looked into DockBarX?
[05:44] <kingbeowolf> nope
[05:44] <kingbeowolf> that ppa includes ALOT of programs
[05:44] <kingbeowolf> looks like it might work though
[05:45] <Poisoned_Dragon> kingbeowolf, http://www.webupd8.org/2012/10/dockbarx-sees-new-release-now-available.html
[05:45] <Poisoned_Dragon> There's the article on dockbarx
[05:46] <Poisoned_Dragon> pick your poison
[05:46] <Poisoned_Dragon> Docky is cool but, you might be longing for the avant days, or looking for something nicer.
[05:47] <Poisoned_Dragon> I'm waiting for Plank to hit 1.0 so that they start pushing out Docky3.
[05:48] <kingbeowolf> for sure
[05:48] <Poisoned_Dragon> I managed to contribute 2 bug reports.
[05:49] <Poisoned_Dragon> They led to fixes. :)
[05:49] <Poisoned_Dragon> I'm so proud of me.
[05:49] <kingbeowolf> nice haha
[05:49] <kingbeowolf> it is always cool when something gets accepted by the community
[05:51] <kingbeowolf> i worked on packaging documentation for Ubuntu and that got accepted.
[05:51] <kingbeowolf> thats about all i have done
[05:51] <kingbeowolf> i work to much to be of any more help
[05:52] <kingbeowolf> i would definately maintain the projects i mentioned if i had the time, or got paid to do it.
[05:52] <Poisoned_Dragon> heh
[05:52] <kingbeowolf> right now i program on other peoples projects
[05:53] <Poisoned_Dragon> I wish I had the mindset for programming. It just doesn't seem to be my cup of tea.
[05:53] <Poisoned_Dragon> I seem to be a better tester, than a programmer.
[05:54] <kingbeowolf> programming for me started when i was playing games
[05:54] <kingbeowolf> Baldur's Gate have you heard of it?
[05:55] <Poisoned_Dragon> Sounds familiar.
[05:55] <kingbeowolf> yeah it was a D&D game i got into when I was a kid.
[05:55] <kingbeowolf> you could control the characters and other characters in the game with a form of scripting
[05:56] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh wow
[05:56] <kingbeowolf> it was pretty neat when i was like 13-15 or what ever
[05:58] <user> how can i manually install to TB 24.0.1 over 24.0?  Ubuntu Center is still shipping Thunderbird 24.0.0 but i need to be updated.
[05:59] <Noskcaj> user, You can get a .deb from somewhere, add a PPA, or install it from source
[05:59] <kingbeowolf> ive never installed thunberbird any where other then from the repository
[05:59] <Poisoned_Dragon> What is so important that you really need that .0.1?
[06:00] <kingbeowolf> usually stuff gets updated between versions....that didn't really happen in 13.10
[06:00] <kingbeowolf> Poisoned_Dragon: i think he said the calender plugin had some issue
[06:00] <Poisoned_Dragon> oh
[06:00] <Poisoned_Dragon> I don't use it. So....
[06:00] <kingbeowolf> yeah me either
[06:00] <Noskcaj> kingbeowolf, It depends on who's available and if it's out in time
[06:01] <kingbeowolf> Noskcaj: ya but netbeans, eclipse, banshee, etc... seem like popular applications that would be important thats what i wish i had more time so i could make sure this stuff stays up to date and tested
[06:02] <Noskcaj> kingbeowolf, You could help us with packaging them ;)
[06:03] <kingbeowolf> Noskcaj: some day i will i am sure of that gotta work like a dog to pay the bills right now though
[06:03] <Poisoned_Dragon> user, if you're feeling daring, download the tarball from mozilla.
[06:04] <user> Noskcaj:Poisoned_Dragon:  i found it here http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/ and i downloaded already, but what next? i unzipped to my temporary directory.
[06:05] <Noskcaj> !source
[06:05] <Poisoned_Dragon> ugh, I just deleted it too....
[06:05] <Poisoned_Dragon> one sec
[06:05] <Noskcaj> nope, wrong thing
[06:05] <Noskcaj> "./configure && make && sudo make install" normally works
[06:06] <Noskcaj> open a terminal from the folder
[06:06] <Noskcaj> and run that
[06:06] <Poisoned_Dragon> Noskcaj, there is no compiling necessary.
[06:06] <Poisoned_Dragon> It's self contained.
[06:06] <Noskcaj> oh
[06:06] <Noskcaj> good
[06:07] <user> will this manually installation affect my /home/.thunderbird configuration?
[06:08] <Poisoned_Dragon> user, you can literally run the thunderbird executable from within that folder.
[06:08] <Poisoned_Dragon> I believe there are install instruction in the thunderbird folder.
[06:08] <Noskcaj> user, no, it won't
[06:09] <user> ok. thanks. i found also a deb file named: thunderbird-mozilla-build_24.0.1-0ubuntu1_i386. can i proceed with this one?
[06:09] <Poisoned_Dragon> where did you find that?
[06:09] <Poisoned_Dragon> in debian?
[06:10] <akis63> Poisoned_Dragon: here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntuzilla/?source=dlp
[06:10] <akis63> Poisoned_Dragon: from here: http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/ubuntuzilla/all/main/base/thunderbird-mozilla-build
[06:13] <Poisoned_Dragon> are the build versions bleeding edge, or stable?
[06:14] <akis63> looks like the stable one which was actually released on 13/10/13 as i read
[06:17] <Poisoned_Dragon> hmmm
[06:17] <Poisoned_Dragon> Well, off to bed. G'night guys.
[06:55] <keith_> anyone know why I might be losing the background image on the desktop between boots?
[07:09] <well_laid_lawn> how's the hard disk doing ?
[09:58] <Arpad2> when trying to upgrade to 13.10 I'm getting this error message http://paste.ubuntu.com/6305322/
[10:00] <ObrienDave> try turning off all of your third party PPAs
[10:05] <Arpad2> it doesn't make any difference
[10:08] <ObrienDave> and how are you trying to upgrade? terminal?
[10:09] <Arpad2> no
[10:10] <ObrienDave> ok, try this please.....
[10:10] <Arpad2> from Settings Manager
[10:10] <ObrienDave> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:10] <ObrienDave> in a terminal
[10:10] <Arpad2> ok
[10:11] <ObrienDave> i'll be here for a while ;)
[10:12] <Arpad2> this was tha last line:  0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[10:15] <ObrienDave> hmmmmm
[10:19] <Araneidae> Hi.  After upgrading to 13.10 my (desktop) computer now shuts down when resuming from suspend.  It seems to suspend ok, but when I poke it to wake up it shuts down.
[10:19] <Araneidae> Couldn't see anything sensible in the logs
[10:57] <Arpad2> ObrienDave: also there are some broken packeges http://paste.ubuntu.com/6305440/
[10:59] <ObrienDave> ok, that's the problem. need to fix broken packages first
[11:00] <ObrienDave> go through synaptic. there is a "fix broken packages" command there
[11:01] <Arpad2> ok
[11:03] <Arpad2> under Edit I have found that
[11:03] <ObrienDave> yup. run it
[11:04] <ObrienDave> does "apply" go green?
[11:04] <Arpad2> Idoes not
[11:05] <ObrienDave> hmmm, ok, dang. try.......
[11:05] <ObrienDave> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:06] <ObrienDave> exit synaptic first
[11:07] <Arpad2> done
[11:07] <Arpad2> but still 0 upgraded
[11:08] <ObrienDave> hmmm, quickly running out of ideas here
[11:15] <ObrienDave> any of the Xubuntu guru's willing to help Arpad2 here? thanks
[12:10] <DeepBlue> i wanna stop orca
[12:12] <rampageRipper> how 2 stop orca?
[12:29] <DeepBlue> rampageRipper: hi
[14:12] <majkl> hi guys, I have Xubuntu 12.04 and I would like to upgrade xfce to 4.11 whether some of you have some issues with new xfce
[14:14] <Poisoned_Dragon> Well, I'm still using 4.10 on Ubuntu Studio 13.10
[14:15] <Poisoned_Dragon> I didn't know there was a 4.11. I know 4.12 is on the horizon
[14:32] <majkl> Poisoned_Dragon: i will go for 4.10 though... thanks
[14:49] <vespakoen> Hey guys! I am trying to make a  xubuntu vagrant box via veewee (basically a VM, built with a script), veewee provides an example preseed for Ubuntu, and uses the following command after booting the installer and hitting escape a couple of times "/install/vmlinuz noapic preseed/url=http://%IP%:%PORT%/preseed.cfg", hoever, after that ran, it tells me "Could not find kernel image: /install/vmlinuz", so I am guessing it is located so
[14:49] <vespakoen> mewhere else for xubuntu, does anyone know more about this?
[14:50] <Poisoned_Dragon> where does the preseed.cfg file point to as the location of the kernel image?
[14:50] <Poisoned_Dragon> That would be my first place to look.
[14:51] <vespakoen> this is my preseed: http://paste.laravel.com/11Zm/raw
[14:51] <vespakoen> this is my veewee defenition http://paste.laravel.com/11Zn the interesting part is within "boot_cmd_sequence"
[14:52] <vespakoen> ahaa, so this is probably incorrect: d-i base-installer/kernel/override-image string linux-server  ?
[14:54] <Poisoned_Dragon> is /install/vmlinuz the correct location?
[14:55] <Poisoned_Dragon> are you suppose to put your own ip and port in http://%IP%:%PORT% or is tht filled in for you?
[14:55] <vespakoen> that is filled in for me
[14:56] <vespakoen> I guess the location is incorrect, but don't know how to figure out the correct one
[14:56] <Poisoned_Dragon> I don't have much experience in this, but the logical conclusion is figuring out what points where.
[14:56] <Poisoned_Dragon> I gave that override-image line a funny look too
[14:56] <Poisoned_Dragon> It was the first thing to stand out
[14:57] <Poisoned_Dragon> You might have to do some more reading before you proceed.
[14:57] <vespakoen> going to try without it
[17:13] <TG_> hi guys, I have an issue with an HP Pavillion dm4. right click and left click works only when I soft pad it. it does not work when I fully press left click or right click. I would like to have it working when fully pressing instead of trying 10 times to get the right amount of pressure to produce a right click.
[17:13] <TG_> can anyone point me in the right direction please.
[17:17] <holstein> !touchpad
[17:18] <holstein> assuming its a synaptics touchpad.. i have a few that i just dont use anymore, or i have worked out workarounds
[17:26] <XLV> does the installer allows for raid1 setup directly from within the isntaller? i dont see any related option
[17:27] <GridCube> XLV, nope
[17:27] <GridCube> !raid
[18:14] <XLV> GridCube so i have to use ubuntu server install iso?
[18:15] <GridCube> XLV, or the mini
[18:15] <XLV> you mean the network install?
[18:15] <GridCube> and while using the mini choose the xubuntu desktop instead of the whole mainbuntu desktop, or simply install xubuntua dn install RAID afterward
[18:15] <GridCube> XLV, yes
[18:15] <XLV> ok, thanks
[18:16] <GridCube> sadly RAID support during install got lost a few releases ago
[18:16] <XLV> i'll instal the server thn add xubuntu meta pacakges
[18:17] <GridCube> XLV, probably this will help http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2143179
[18:17] <bekks> using the mini iso, it is still there.
[18:17] <well_laid_lawn> !mini
[18:18] <GridCube> but as XLV said, the mini is a netinstall, the server is not so its faster
[18:18] <GridCube> not everyone has 100mb of interwebs
[19:40] <skywalkerjunior> hi all
[22:12] <UkeofJersey> Greets!  I've got what I hope is a quick question:  I'm in 13.10 and when I try to create new app launchers in the app menu, it doesn't matter which folder I'm in, it always makes my new launcher in "Other".  How can I remedy this?
[22:17] <Poisoned_Dragon> You can't
[22:17] <UkeofJersey> I'm trying to make a Launcher for Chromium Incognito and at first I was tearing my hair out because it didn't look like xubuntu was doing anything at all!  I don't like to be ignored by this machine that is supposed to be working for me.  It was purely accidental that I found about 5 copies of my launcher but in the "Other" folder instead of "Internet" where any normal human being would want it.  Anyone have any ideas as to wh
[22:17] <UkeofJersey> y the launcher isn't created in my current folder?
[22:18] <Poisoned_Dragon> Where are you making the launchers?
[22:18] <Poisoned_Dragon> Or trying to make the launchers.
[22:18] <UkeofJersey> clicking Edit Menu in the Applications Menu
[22:20] <UkeofJersey> it brings me to the screen with a bunch of checkboxes along all the different launchers.  I was assuming that by clicking "new item" whilst in "Internet", the new item would be created there and not some other, seemingly arbitrary folder
[22:21] <bobslee> hi. upgraded raring to sauce.. now my macbook synaptics/touchpad doesn't work.. any clues?
[22:22] <Poisoned_Dragon> It doesn't seem to work that way, UkeofJersey. User made menu items might not be given a specific categorization. So, they always show up in other.
[22:24] <UkeofJersey> that is surprising to say the least...  It doesn't seem like it's terribly much to ask, does it?
[22:27] <bobslee> anybody?
[22:31] <Poisoned_Dragon> UkeofJersey, be thankful you can add menu items at all. Xfce out of the box, on debian, doesn't have a gui for it. Gotta do it by hand.
[23:51] <XLV> GridCube you were right.. grub install on raid1 was borked
[23:52] <XLV> complaint about something about embedding not active then about embedding needed for lvm/raid1
[23:53] <XLV> solvable easily, from a quick search, but i prefered to use a usb stick as /boot