[00:08] <jalcine> she'll be back
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[03:52] <valorie> indeed I am back from my dad's
[03:59] <ahoneybun> hey valorie 
[04:00] <valorie> hi aaron
[04:00] <valorie> how are you tonight?
[04:00] <ahoneybun> good you?
[04:03] <ahoneybun> I have not heard any news from the ML yet
[04:05] <valorie> it's the weekend
[04:05] <ahoneybun> yea that is true
[04:09] <ahoneybun> there is always next month or the next lol
[04:11] <valorie> you will become a member
[04:11] <valorie> it's just a question of when
[04:15] <genii> Just filed a bug against muon-discover, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/+bug/1245109  A user in #kubuntu asked how to restore the menu, I went and hid it on my box here and also could not restore it with any sane key comniation like alt-a-to-z or ctrl-a-to-z, had to resort to editing the .kde/share/config/muon-discoverrc to recover it.
[04:15] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 1245109 in muon (Ubuntu) "Menu can be hidden but not unhidden." [Undecided,New]
[04:16] <ahoneybun> I know
[04:16] <valorie> thanks, genii
[04:17] <genii> I used ubuntu-bug muon-discover but it filed it against main package muon
[04:17] <valorie> that's fine
[04:21] <ahoneybun> nice
[04:21] <ahoneybun> valorie, perhaps we should have a video hangout to regroup about the docs?
[04:22] <genii> Since alt-t is the shortcut to hide, you would think same would restore, but not.
[04:22] <valorie> alt t?
[04:22] <valorie> I thought it was M
[04:23] <genii> valorie: Shortcut to hide from the top bar when it's there is alt-t on the menu option: Hide Toolbar   with underscore under the T in Toolbar
[04:23] <valorie> control m should be the toggle
[04:24] <valorie> ok, m=menubar
[04:29] <ahoneybun> valorie, don't you think so?
[04:30] <valorie> I guess
[04:30] <valorie> I'd like to see at least one or two more people
[04:30] <valorie> sorta boring with just us
[04:30] <ahoneybun> yea
[04:31] <valorie> plus I really want to get some new input on that install section
[04:31] <valorie> someone who knows that process in and out
[04:31] <valorie> to me that is critical
[04:31] <ahoneybun> ye
[04:31] <ahoneybun> a
[04:32] <ahoneybun> the new installer is quite nice
[04:32] <valorie> I think a top-notch section on the website will help new users out immensely
[04:33] <ahoneybun> top=notch?
[04:33] <valorie> we've never had decent docs about it, and extensive googling I've done when I got into difficulties got me nowhere
[04:33] <valorie> best ever
[04:33] <valorie> it's just a phrase
[04:34] <ahoneybun> I'm just thinking that we decide on a wiki to maybe more to 
[04:34] <ahoneybun> before making more changes
[04:35] <valorie> you know my opinion on wikis
[04:35] <valorie> we don't have the people to administer our own
[04:35] <ahoneybun> of course
[04:35] <valorie> so unless we recruit someone, we have what we have
[04:35] <ahoneybun> but mediawiki is looking nice just not sure we can work it out
[04:38] <ahoneybun> that install page is important
[04:38] <valorie> oh, I agree
[04:38] <valorie> if I had a choice, mediawiki is what I would choose
[04:39] <valorie> and if we had someone to administer it, I'd change it over in a heartbeat
[04:39] <ahoneybun> agreed if it works better for us
[04:40]  * ahoneybun wonders if we could use his raspberrypi to host it
[04:41] <valorie> we have hosting; that isn't the problem
[04:41] <valorie> sysadmin is the problem, and keeping it free of spam/hacks
[04:42] <ahoneybun> should we work on the installation page/translations/ or something else
[04:44] <valorie> I want to work on installation, but first we need to find content, and that means someone to write about what they know
[04:46] <ahoneybun> agreed
[04:46] <ahoneybun> I'm kinda exp with this laptop having uefi/secure boot
[04:46] <valorie> awesome
[04:46] <valorie> well, I've written all I know
[04:47] <valorie> so I'll try to recruit some likely folks
[04:47] <valorie> #kubuntu and #kubuntu-offtopic are both good places to look
[04:47] <ahoneybun> cool
[04:47] <valorie> as is the Kubuntu-user list
[04:47] <valorie> and the kubuntu forum
[04:48] <ahoneybun> valorie, this is the first time I had a PC with a GPT partition table
[04:48] <ahoneybun> was really weird
[04:48] <ahoneybun> so used to the 4 partition limit
[04:49] <valorie> when it comes to partition, I'm next to ignorant
[04:49] <ahoneybun> well the DOS partition table only allows 4 partitions but unlimited logical I think
[04:50] <ahoneybun> but only 4 primary 
[04:50] <ahoneybun> while I have like 9 primary on this GPT setup
[04:50] <valorie> see, I have no clue what you are talking about
[04:50] <valorie> logical, primary
[04:51] <valorie> those are words which to me have nothing to do with partitions on disk
[04:52] <ahoneybun> well I know about them don't really understand what they mean
[04:52] <valorie> sec
[04:56] <valorie> ok, final load of clothes into the dryer
[04:56] <ahoneybun> I had to install a different driver for this thing to boot once I installed it
[04:57] <ahoneybun> nice I got mine done todya
[04:57] <ahoneybun> today
[04:57] <valorie> I've run into difficulties before, and written about that in my blog, but my knowledge isn't extensive enough to get this section done
[04:59] <ahoneybun> ya
[05:01] <ahoneybun> really it comes down to the disk setup page
[05:02] <ahoneybun> anyway I'm off for the night
[05:03] <valorie> sleep well
[05:03] <ahoneybun> thank you
[05:03] <ahoneybun> you too
[05:12] <ScottK> genii: muon is the source package, so that's correct.
[05:13] <genii> ScottK: OK, thanks.
[05:13] <ScottK> genii: For Muon though you're probably better of filing on bugs.kde.org.
[05:15]  * genii just stares at jontheechidna unnervingly until something happens
[05:15] <genii> ;)
[05:16] <valorie> unfortunately jon isn't here to be alerted by that
[05:16] <valorie> still, he should get the bug report
[05:19] <genii> I'll file one there too, for completeness
[05:20] <valorie> mention the launchpad bug # and you'll be golden
[05:20] <valorie> and maybe vice-versa
[05:23] <genii> Looks like kde bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=322010 might be related
[05:23] <ubottu> KDE bug 322010 in updater "Menubar is missing" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[05:38] <genii> Hm. How to classify. I think Major, because now no searches can be made.
[05:39] <valorie> that's def. a show-stopper
[05:40] <genii> Filed, https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326713
[05:40] <ubottu> KDE bug 326713 in discover "Toolbar cannot be unhidden." [Major,Unconfirmed]
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[10:27] <soee> good morning
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[10:38] <Guest40673> Is the edubuntu-desktop-kde package available for Kubuntu 13.10? 
[11:07] <tsimpson> Guest40673: no, it was removed in 13.04
[11:14] <Guest40673> tsimpson: I've installed the each package individually, thanks for confirming
[11:26] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:26] <lordievader> Err afternoon.
[11:32] <soee> anyway good :)
[11:43] <skreech_> tsimpson: Why was it removed?
[11:53] <tsimpson> skreech_: I think due to lack of maintenance/qa
[13:08] <ScottK> tsimpson: You'd have to ask the Edubuntu devs.  It was their metapackage, not ours.
[13:09] <highvoltage> yep, no one had the time/inclanation to test it anymore so it was removed
[13:19] <shadeslayer> hi ScottK
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[15:39] <ScottK> Hello shadeslayer .
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[17:13] <jussi> hrm
[17:13] <jussi> that was weird
[17:14] <jussi> I clicked hte normal "updates" in the tray, and it asked for my password then just started the upgrade to saucy...
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[18:29] <Mamarok> we have several people reporting in the KDE forums and on the Kubuntu ML that the muon updater doesn't work anymore after upgrade to 13.10, could somebody please have a look at it?
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[19:36] <akoma1s> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpid/+bug/1243399
[19:36] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 1243399 in acpid (Ubuntu) "powers off instead of sleep under KDE4" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[19:36] <akoma1s> I've produced a fix for the above bug, in the process dropping support for KDE 3, and KDE 4 Kubuntu systems not using Powerdevil. Is this a safe assumption to make?
[19:52] <mamarley> ScottK: debfx:  Any news on the Quassel Upstart script?
[19:53] <ScottK> Mamarok: There's an SRU pending that fixes some of the worst problems with it.
[19:54] <ScottK> mamarley: debfx  said he was going to have a look at it.
[19:56] <debfx> mamarley: I've tested it a bit an noticed that quassel is only run with the primary group. that would be a problem in my setup as the ssl certificate is owned by root:ssl-cert.
[19:57] <mamarley> debfx: OK.  Is that the auto-generated certificate?
[19:57] <Mamarok> ScottK: thanks
[19:57] <debfx> mamarley: no, that one is probably owned by quasselcore.
[19:59] <mamarley> Where is your certificate?
[20:00] <debfx> it's a symlink to a file in /etc/ssl/private/
[20:07] <mamarley> debfx: To be honest, I am not sure what you mean by "primary group."  I have the upstart script set up to run under the group "quassel".  Should I leave this off and let it have the group "root" instead?
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[20:11] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1244232] 13-10 mounts all drives specified in /etc/fstab even with noauto specified @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1244232 (by Erike Magegere)
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[20:23] <debfx> mamarley: The problem is that upstream doesn't seem to support running processes under all the groups that user belongs to. In my case quassel should be run under the groups quassel and ssl-cert as I've added the quasselcore user to the ssl-cert group.
[20:24] <mamarley> OK.  In that case, I am not sure there is anything that can be done.
[20:25] <debfx> We should probably talk to someone more familiar with upstart about this. One option would be to use start-stop-daemon.
[20:25] <mamarley> Wouldn't using start-stop-daemon get rid of many of the advantages of using Upstart in the first place?
[20:28] <soee> Riddell, Kubuntu has its own twitter channel ?
[20:32] <debfx> mamarley: not really, it's just a small wrapper that changes the user/group and execs the daemon.
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