[00:00] <melodie> Meris if you could look here and report whenever you can: https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubuntu/+bugs
[00:02] <PatrickDickey> Thanks brainwash. I'm installing that now.
[00:12] <melodie> brainwash there also exists a gui on top of it, gsmartcontrol
[00:12] <melodie> too late for that guy anyway :)
[00:13] <brainwash> nice to know :)
[00:19] <melodie> brainwash :)
[01:10] <yologuy> I'm trying to add a keybinding to the lubuntu-rc.xml file which will minimize "Iconify" any window. It only makes the window the size that it was before instead of minimizing. Any insights?
[01:12] <melodie> yologuy have you checked the openbox wiki at http://openbox.org ?
[01:14] <yologuy> yes, it gives an example of how to make the Iconify aka minimize keybinding but instead it only unmaximizes the windows.
[01:19] <yologuy> Never mind, had another key binding doing unmaximize. Deleted it, unmax still doesn't work after $ openbox --reconfigure
[01:44] <yologuy> I suppose it works better if "Iconify" is spelled correctly.
[01:44] <yologuy> mfw it says "Iconfify"
[01:44] <ianorlin> ah misspelled commands are annoying
[01:45] <yologuy> yes lol.
[01:46] <yologuy> really enjoying lubuntu though.
[01:46] <yologuy> it's restored a laptop from 2003
[01:49] <Lazue> new to linux (and lubuntu) - i have a question about desktop icons - sometimes i see some desktop icon animation where icons fly in and out over the programs icon on the desktop, it'll also be visable when i have firefox open - what's that about?
[01:50] <holstein> Lazue: in lubuntu?
[01:50] <ianorlin> that is not by default
[01:50] <Lazue> yes, in lubuntu
[01:52] <Lazue> for example, say i have firefox open, the text file i have on the desktop will have this animation translucent through firefox where similar icons fly into the main one
[01:53] <Lazue> difficult to describe, it reminds me of when ghosts would fly into zuul in ghostbusters on c64
[01:53] <Lazue> and now i sound a little crazy
[01:53] <holstein> Lazue: i have not experienced that
[01:54] <holstein> Lazue: i would make a new user, and test there.. assuming this is something you want to figure out how to get rid of.. if not, just enjoy it
[01:54] <ianorlin> Lazue are you asking how to do that?
[01:55] <Lazue> it only occurred a few times, i was just worried that maybe lubuntu was sharing these files or they were being copied from the desktop by someone unknown and that the animation was something fancy for when someone does that
[01:55] <Lazue> so lubuntu wouldn't go sharing my files without me giving it permission to share over the network right?
[01:56] <holstein> Lazue: no, but if you have misconfigured something, i have no idea what you could be doing
[01:56] <Lazue> just a default install
[01:56] <holstein> Lazue: but, no, lubuntu is not sharing anything anywhere.. by default, which, that should not be happening by default
[01:56] <Lazue> ok thanks
[01:57] <holstein> Lazue: how is it as a new user?
[01:57] <Lazue> well i tried mint, ubuntu, kubuntu, suse
[01:57] <Lazue> but they all seem so clunky, i just wanted something like windows xp classic on windows 7
[01:57] <Lazue> and this is pretty close and minimal
[01:57] <Lazue> so i like it
[01:58] <Lazue> took me a bit to figure out i needed to install nvidia drivers so i could set monitor to 120hz in nvidia-settings
[01:58] <holstein> those drivers could be causing artifacts or issues
[01:59] <Lazue> is there anyway to check if that's the case
[02:00] <holstein> Lazue: sure.. remove the drivers.. test.. reinstall other drivers.. test.. install on other hardware.. test..
[02:00] <Lazue> not worth losing 120hz refresh though without these drivers
[02:00] <Lazue> for me anyway
[02:01] <holstein> sure.. but you remove it, and test.. then, decide, after knowing what is causing the issue
[02:02] <Lazue> it's random though, i could be waiting ages, as long as it's not some animation to indicate the files are being shared/copied, it doesn't really matter
[02:02] <Lazue> another question though if you don't mind
[02:02] <Lazue> on windows 7, i right click and go to advanced sharing on a folder to share that media folder on the network for my wdtv
[02:02] <Lazue> how can i do the same in lubuntu to share the same folder?
[02:02] <holstein> many ways
[02:03] <holstein> Lazue: think of it this way.. how long did you use windows before sharing *anything* over *any* network? a few months? years?
[02:03] <holstein> be sure you give yourself some time to get aquainted with the OS before diving in the deep end
[02:03] <holstein> there are ways to share files with windows via samba
[02:03] <holstein> !samba
[02:03] <Lazue> well i could always check on another computer which folders were shared
[02:04] <holstein> i use ssh, and make other machines communicate with linux that way
[02:04] <Lazue> hmm this isn't for a windows machine though, this is for wdtv, like a media player plugged into the tv, i just browse to the directory and open the file to play, sorta like xbmc
[02:05] <holstein> Lazue: you can ask "wdtv" how they intend for things to be shared
[02:05] <Lazue> raspbmc could see the same folders share on windows 7 that way
[02:05] <holstein> Lazue: i have no idea what it is.. but if its a windows share, you can use samba
[02:05] <holstein> !gigolo
[02:05] <holstein> !info gigolo
[02:05] <holstein> ^ i use that as well.. a GUI tool for connecting to shares
[02:06] <Lazue> hmm maybe i am not clear
[02:06] <Lazue> i don't want to connect to other shares, i want to share a folder on this lubuntu machine with any other media player in the house
[02:06] <holstein> sure. in what way?
[02:06] <holstein> ssh? ftp? samba?
[02:06] <holstein> Lazue: there are *many* ways to share and connect
[02:06] <Lazue> the easiest way
[02:07] <Lazue> obviously not ftp
[02:07] <holstein> Lazue: "easy" is not the question.. i dont konw what a "wdtv" is.. so you'll have to elaborate
[02:07] <Lazue> it's the same as raspbmc or xbmc
[02:07] <Lazue> surely you know of those
[02:07] <holstein> Lazue: why not ftp? if you dont know that its not ftp, it could be
[02:07] <holstein> Lazue: i dont..
[02:07] <Lazue> it's not ftp because i know what ftp is
[02:07] <ianorlin> this http://www.wdc.com/en/products/wdtv/?
[02:08] <holstein> Lazue: ok.. id prefer you not guess.. just look up what the protocol is
[02:08] <Lazue> whether it's wdtv or xbmc doesn't really matter
[02:08] <Lazue> i just need to share the folder on this machine for them to access and stream the media
[02:08] <holstein> Lazue: correct.. it literally doesnt matter what the device is, once we know the protocol
[02:09] <Lazue> nfs
[02:09] <holstein> !nfs
[02:14] <Lazue> what else can i ask that bot
[02:14] <holstein> Lazue: you can use !info for packages...
[02:15] <holstein> !info screen
[02:15] <genii> Lazue: There is also an online database of the bot's factoids at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi
[02:15] <Lazue> oh ty
[02:16] <Lazue> might be better to harass the bot :)
[02:16] <ianorlin> http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi
[02:16] <ianorlin> is the list of all of them
[02:16] <genii> Lazue: Is better to do that in PM, so as to not clutter up the channel
[02:16] <Lazue> yeah, i am
[02:17] <Lazue> ok, ty for help
[02:20] <melodie> good night
[07:30] <wxl> Unit193: nvlc?! have you switched to the dark side? but yah, caca makes sense. or aa.
[08:27] <jarnos> Release notes still don't warn you about locking and autostart (and thus updates) do not work by default.  Why?
[10:49] <cretsiah> does lubuntu support wireless keyboards and mouse?
[11:36] <jarnos> Release notes still don't warn you about Saucy's inability to lock and autostart (and thus updates) by default.  Why?
[11:37] <jarnos> Release notes still don't warn you about Saucy's inability to lock and autostart (and thus e.g. to notify about updates) by default.  Why?
[11:42] <brainwash> it does not appear to be a big deal
[11:42] <brainwash> otherwise it would have been changed already
[11:52] <jarnos> brainwash, and "Different spacing for the icons on the right corner of lxpanel" appears to be :|
[11:53] <brainwash> you should contact the site owner/author
[11:58] <brainwash> maybe a hint like "for advanced users only" should be added to the 13.10 release notes, because so many things do not work ootb and need manual adjustments
[12:03] <Unit193> Heh.  Also is it an update?  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-users/2013-September/005577.html
[12:06] <brainwash> ^ Sat Sep 14
[12:18] <Unit193> brainwash: Also, https://github.com/lxde/lxsession/blob/master/data/desktop.conf.example#L166 seems to be pretty clear to me, no?
[12:24] <Unit193> brainwash: See last message?
[12:33] <nelson> Hi
[12:33] <nelson> someone help me with Lubuntu installation issue?
[12:36] <nelson> I was trying to install Lubuntu 13.10 in my laptop, but when it asks to write to define username and pass, I can't write
[12:36] <nelson> So I went to live cd option and try to write in a text editor, and no success
[12:37] <nelson> then I tried the live cd in my other laptop, and runs perfectly
[12:37] <nelson> they keyboard works
[12:38] <nelson> So no one helps?
[13:16] <Frank81> Hello i have a little logical fail how to move the fils right i am in dir /var/bla/current/ i wanna move the content of  /var/bla/current/bla2 to /var/bla/current/
[13:16] <Frank81> how can i do that
[13:16] <Frank81> :D
[13:16] <Frank81> i tought mv ./bla2/* ./* would work
[13:16] <Frank81> but thats totally wrong
[14:01] <jarnos> brainwash, I don't know who is in charge, but I sent an email to phillw, who has made the latest changes to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseNotes/Lubuntu
[14:03] <jarnos> brainwash, I also tried to add a comment to the respective article at http://www.lubuntu.net, but did not succeed.
[17:18] <Sananjalka> Good evening. I have a minor problem with Lubuntu, and I would like to ask for advice.
[17:51] <genii> !details
[17:57] <Sananjalka> I will try my best to do that. But that reminds me... In case I forgot which version of Lubuntu I am running, what is the easiest way to check it in LXDE?
[17:57] <Sananjalka> My current version is 12.10.
[17:58] <Sananjalka> Quantal Quetzal, that is.
[17:58] <Sananjalka> I am facing a problem with the trash bin.
[18:00] <Sananjalka> I have backup copies of my files on a second hard disk -- /media/kla500/
[18:02] <Sananjalka> When deleting old backups with PCManFM 1.0.1, some of the deleted folders cannot be removed from the trash.
[18:03] <Sananjalka> For example, I had a copy of one of my audio CDs. The folder was named "DJ Shadow - Preemptive Strike".
[18:04] <Sananjalka> When I try to remove that folder from the trash, I get an error pop-up, stating:
[18:05] <Sananjalka> "Tiedosto-operaatio on valmis, mutta virheitä ilmaantui."
[18:05] <Sananjalka> The English equivalent should be:
[18:05] <Sananjalka> "The file operation is finished, but there are some errors."
[18:06] <Sananjalka> And then:
[18:06] <Sananjalka> ": Tiedostoa tai kansiota ei löydy"
[18:07] <Sananjalka> That is, ": No such file or folder." (I believe.)
[18:09] <Sananjalka> PCManFM does not provide any further details, and it seems strange that it does not name the file or folder it is missing.
[18:09] <Sananjalka> If I try navigating into the folder within the trash bin, I get a smaller error pop-up:
[18:10] <Sananjalka> ": Tiedostoa tai kansiota ei löydy" -- ": No such file or folder."
[18:11] <Sananjalka> ...Pardon me, no colon in this one.
[18:12] <Sananjalka> Yet PCManFM takes me into the folder, which appears to be empty, even if I ask hidden files to be shown.
[18:13] <Sananjalka> I guess this is as specific as I can get without speculating.
[18:15] <Sananjalka> I do use command line sometimes, so tips of that kind are not a problem. Rather, that stuff just slows me down. (One of the main reasons I use Lubuntu is that I do not need the terminal so often.)
[18:16] <Sananjalka> Solving this problem is not urgent at the moment, but I am afraid my trash bin will get cluttered as time passes.
[18:17] <Sananjalka> I would love to know if this is a well-known bug, or if I am missing something very simple here.
[18:19] <Sananjalka> I spent perhaps an hour googling for answers, but it seemed like no one had reported this exact problem with Lubuntu. There were similar problems, but I did not quite understand the answers.
[18:20] <Sananjalka> An example of what I found: http://askubuntu.com/questions/322687/theres-a-file-in-my-trash-that-cant-be-deleted
[18:32] <Sananjalka> Hm, I just noticed something.
[18:33] <njalk> why on earth would you want to trash dj shadow?
[18:33] <njalk> sorry that was OT.. *returns to keeping mouth shut*
[18:34] <Sananjalka> njalk, I appreciate your concern, but I still have the original CD -- bought from a record shop, believe it or not -- plus one newer backup on my hard disk :)
[18:34] <njalk> =)
[18:34] <Sananjalka> Back to the topic:
[18:35] <njalk> but as it says in the askubuntu question that you posted, have you checked the ownership of the files?
[18:35] <njalk> in the trashfolder?
[18:36] <Sananjalka> all of them are "1000", seems like some default setting. does not affect wiping out other folders
[18:36] <njalk> how about trying to restore them and change their names, then trashing
[18:36] <njalk> does that make a difference
[18:36] <Sananjalka> but as i was trying to say, now i tried browsing /media/kla500 itself (see above) -
[18:37] <Sananjalka> and told PCManFM to show hidden files *there*
[18:38] <Sananjalka> navigating into /media/kla500/.Trash-1000 via that path looks promising. gimme a minute...
[18:40] <Sananjalka> Yeah, that did the trick!
[18:41] <Sananjalka> Approaching from that direction, the problem folders' file contents are still visible, while the normal trash view shows them to be empty.
[18:42] <Sananjalka> I rename the problem folders into something shorter and simpler, and after that they can be deleted all right.
[18:42] <Sananjalka> Whew.
[18:43] <Sananjalka> Too bad I could hardly write an acceptable bug report on this -- I do not believe my trash bin is working as intended.
[18:44] <Sananjalka> Let's hope this bug or whatever has been fixed for Saucy Salamander.
[18:45] <Sananjalka> Sorry for taking up your time, people.
[18:46] <Sananjalka> njalk, restoring them straight via the trash bin was not possible. whatever operation i tried with them, I always got the same error msg.
[18:53] <Sananjalka> renaming was impossible there, too.
[18:54] <Sananjalka> (If somebody out there happens to know what my problem was, I am still very eager to learn about it. While it did get solved, understanding it would do no harm.)
[21:18] <wh0_d4T> running lubuntu 13.04, connected mp3 device (Sony). Showing up as mtp
[21:18] <wh0_d4T> device in file manager.
[21:19] <wh0_d4T> run "df -h" in terminal, does not show.
[21:19] <wh0_d4T> For some reason I cannot just copy paste files to and from the mp3 device as I was capable of when running ubuntu 10.04
[21:20] <wh0_d4T> Please help. :)
[21:21] <zleap> is it plugged in to the usb port ?
[21:21] <zleap> you could try lsusb to see if it shows up
[21:23] <wh0_d4T> zleap: yes
[21:23] <wh0_d4T> zleap: will try lsusb
[21:23] <wh0_d4T> zleap: it shows up
[21:24] <zleap> ok so you know its detected
[21:24] <wh0_d4T> zleap: btw, my file manager is lubuntu 13.04 default PCManFM 1.1.0
[21:24] <zleap> i have that here
[21:24] <zleap> does anything show up if you click accessories - disks
[21:24] <wh0_d4T> zleap: in the file manager it shows as being mounted like: mtp *this is one mount point
[21:25] <wh0_d4T> and WALKMAN another mount point
[21:25] <zleap> so it mounts then
[21:25] <wh0_d4T> zleap: will try accessories
[21:25] <zleap> that may tell you how it is mounted,  e.g ro or rw
[21:26] <wh0_d4T> zleap: so what I initially was trying to do was to make room on this 1gb mp3 walkman.
[21:26] <zleap> ok
[21:26] <zleap> how are you deleting stuff
[21:26] <wh0_d4T> zleap: was copying and pasting the mp3 files I have to make room for new stuff
[21:26] <zleap> ok
[21:27] <wh0_d4T> so I copied and pasted to my music folder and was saving in a weird format
[21:27] <zleap> what i meant was that if you just press delete it gets moved to the recycle bin, if you press shift - del it deletes the file
[21:27] <wh0_d4T> haven't tried deleting from the mp3 device.
[21:27] <wh0_d4T> should i give it a go?
[21:27] <zleap> ok
[21:27] <zleap> maybe
[21:28] <zleap> what is the extention of this "weird" format
[21:28] <zleap> http://zleap.net/lubuntu-deleting-files/
[21:28] <zleap> this is from my website and has notes on deleting files from Lubuntu
[21:28] <wh0_d4T> i get a confirm box
[21:29] <zleap> yeah
[21:29] <zleap> that is normal
[21:29] <wh0_d4T> reads "some files cannot be moved to trash can... underlying file systems don't support this operation"
[21:29] <zleap> ah its probably fat32
[21:29] <wh0_d4T> so if i press yes it's gone permanently from the device?
[21:29] <wh0_d4T> yes
[21:29] <wh0_d4T> it's fat32
[21:30] <zleap> did you hold down shift then press delete
[21:30] <zleap> that should just delete them,
[21:30] <wh0_d4T> no
[21:30] <zleap> if you press delete it gets moved to the trashcan
[21:30] <zleap> so is just elsewhere on your file system,  which on the mp3 player won't exist i guess
[21:31] <wh0_d4T> my question is that i used to be able to see the mp3 device mounted
[21:31] <wh0_d4T> when I use to run ubuntu 10.04
[21:31] <wh0_d4T> on this pc
[21:31] <wh0_d4T> I recently upgraded to lubuntu 13.04
[21:31] <zleap> so something big has changed between the two
[21:31] <wh0_d4T> and it adds that extra mtp mount point
[21:32] <zleap> it is seeing two file systems or two partitions,  i get that with some external devices such as flash drives
[21:32] <wh0_d4T> I'm assuming lubuntu 13.04 now mounts media devices differently
[21:32] <zleap> maybe
[21:32] <zleap> i am sure they changed how it handles stuff
[21:33] <zleap> used to use udev or hal,  i was never an expert at that,
[21:34] <wh0_d4T> zleap: yes. so that explains the weird pasted results I was getting
[21:34] <zleap> yeah
[21:34] <wh0_d4T> when ctrl+c ctrl+v 'ing from my mp3 device to music folder huh
[21:34] <zleap> hi omnidan has the way lubuntu mounts file systems changed between 10.04 and 13.04
[21:35] <zleap> how much space do you have left ?
[21:35] <omnidan> zleap: oh I have no idea about that, but maybe I can help you if you tell me the issue (I just use plain debian)
[21:35] <wh0_d4T> zleap: space in my hdd or my mp3 device?
[21:35] <zleap> omnidan, i am helping wh0_d4T so yeah trying to get to the root of the issue
[21:35] <zleap> mp3 device
[21:35] <zleap> just rule out a full file system
[21:36] <wh0_d4T> zleap: usually i would run "df -h" to see device and remaining size
[21:36] <wh0_d4T> zleap: but get nothing running that.
[21:36] <zleap> hmm
[21:37] <wh0_d4T> zleap: if i right-click on mtp or WALKMAN, just get option to unmount volume
[21:37] <zleap> ok
[21:37] <zleap> so its mounted
[21:37] <wh0_d4T> yes
[21:37] <zleap> i just ran sudo fdisk -l and it has listed file systems
[21:37] <omnidan> zleap: can you repeat the issue/error?
[21:37] <zleap> try that, it may be more helpful than df -h
[21:38] <wh0_d4T> zleap: so run sudo fdisk -l?
[21:38] <zleap> yeah
[21:38] <zleap> see if that gives you anything
[21:39] <wh0_d4T> zleap: nada. just get partition listings for /dev/sda1 - Linux
[21:39] <wh0_d4T> /dev/sda2 - Extended and /dev/sda5 - swap partition
[21:39] <zleap> ok
[21:40] <zleap> omnidan, wh0_d4T is trying to copy items to a mp3 player
[21:40] <zleap> wh0_d4T, can you fill omnidan in on the problem
[21:40] <wh0_d4T> zleap: yes
[21:41] <wh0_d4T> omnidan: I am trying to copy paste mp3 files from my Lubuntu 13.04 box to my mp3 music device
[21:42] <omnidan> wh0_d4T: and the issue is?
[21:42] <zleap> it isn't working
[21:42] <wh0_d4T> omnidan: per explaining to zleap, I was trying to make run on the device, but didn't want to delete my old stuff
[21:43] <wh0_d4T> omnidan: so I did a ctrl+c on the folders containing mp3 files and ctrl+v them to the music folder
[21:43] <wh0_d4T> the files that pasted were not named as the originals and some files lost their .mp3 extension
[21:44] <wh0_d4T> omnidan: very bizarre
[21:44] <wh0_d4T> onmidan: so my initial hunch went with how the mp3 device is mounted
[21:44] <omnidan> wh0_d4T: remove all the files, open a terminal, cd to the folder with the originals, cp -R ./* /destination
[21:44] <wh0_d4T> omnidan: as an mtp device
[21:45] <omnidan> if that works fine it's an issue with the file explorer and not an mtp-related issue
[21:45] <wh0_d4T> omnidan: how do I do that from terminal since the mp3 device doesn't show a file system path?
[21:46] <zleap> ctrl-t for a terminal window
[21:46] <omnidan> wh0_d4T: try ls /media
[21:46] <zleap> then i think do ls /media
[21:46] <omnidan> it's probably mounted there
[21:47] <wh0_d4T> omnidan: only floppy and my home folder are in /media
[21:48] <omnidan> what
[21:48] <omnidan> your home folder isn't supposed to be in /media
[21:48] <zleap> omnidan, what changed between 10.04 and 13.04 with regard to how mounting works
[21:48] <zleap> wasn't there a change from hal to udev at some point
[21:48] <omnidan> zleap: it most likely isn't a mounting issue
[21:49] <wh0_d4T> omnidan: correction, my user name which is tinker
[21:49] <omnidan> I think it's just the explorer (what is the default file explorer in lubuntu?)
[21:49] <wh0_d4T> omnidan: not /home/tinker
[21:49] <omnidan> wh0_d4T: can you right click on the mtp device and check properties or something to get the path?
[21:49] <zleap> i noticed that if i have my external hdd and a flash disk mounted, if I unmount one, the whole window closes
[21:50] <zleap> so i can have the external hdd or my home folder displayed, unmount the flash disk and it closes the window
[21:50] <zleap> rather than just taking the icon away
[21:50] <wh0_d4T> omnidan: i only get the option to "unmount volume"
[21:50] <omnidan> what the
[21:50] <zleap> if its mounted you will
[21:51] <wh0_d4T> omnidan: if this is of any use: in th file manager, the path reads:
[21:51] <omnidan> what file explorer does lubuntu use?
[21:51] <melodie> pcmanfm
[21:51] <wh0_d4T> mtp://[usb:001,003]/
[21:51] <omnidan> wh0_d4T: oh it accesses mtp directly
[21:51] <zleap> ah
[21:51] <zleap> omnidan, i take it it should not do that
[21:51] <omnidan> fusermount?
[21:52] <omnidan> does that command exist?
[21:52] <melodie> omnidan yes but not relevant imo
[21:52] <zleap> it does on mine,
[21:52] <omnidan> melodie: how is it not relevant?
[21:52] <melodie> fusermount
[21:52] <zleap> i think that tells you which user has mounted the file system
[21:52] <omnidan> mtpfs exists, wh0_d4T?
[21:53] <melodie> if the device is mounted and can be accessed, one good idea would be to copy the files to and from using mc
[21:53] <melodie> mc is old fashioned but very powerful
[21:53] <omnidan> wait guys please
[21:53] <omnidan> we need to mount the device correctly first
[21:53] <wh0_d4T> omnidan: check mtpfs in terminal by running "mtpfs --version"?
[21:53] <omnidan> wh0_d4T: just run mtpfs
[21:54] <wh0_d4T> omnidan: not installed
[21:54] <omnidan> wh0_d4T: sudo apt-get install mtpfs
[21:54] <wh0_d4T> ok
[21:58] <wh0_d4T> omnidan: get following when run mtpfs: http://pastebin.com/f2kMASTA
[21:59] <omnidan> wh0_d4T: sudo mtpfs test
[21:59] <omnidan> wait sorry
[21:59] <omnidan> wh0_d4T: run as root (sudo): mkdir /media/test && sudo mtpfs test
[21:59] <melodie> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2122038
[21:59] <melodie> wh0_d4T
[22:00] <melodie> "Step 1!
[22:00] <melodie> Make sure you have libmtp
[22:00] <melodie> Code:
[22:00] <melodie> sudo apt-get install libmtp
[22:00] <melodie> "
[22:00] <melodie> read the rest?
[22:00] <omnidan> he has that
[22:00] <melodie> ok
[22:01] <omnidan> it's a dependency of mtpfs
[22:01] <melodie> what about the idea of getting "go-mtpfs" as presented on that page?
[22:02] <wh0_d4T> omnidan: sorry but how do i go root in terminal?
[22:02] <omnidan> wh0_d4T: just do "sudo mkdir /media/test && sudo mtpfs /media/test"
[22:02] <wh0_d4T> ok
[22:02] <omnidan> melodie: external ppa, unity based
[22:03] <melodie> had a look in the udev rules?
[22:03] <melodie> it mounts, doesn't it?
[22:04] <omnidan> melodie: it didn't mount before
[22:04] <omnidan> it used the mtp protocol directly
[22:04] <omnidan> now it should mount
[22:05] <melodie> what is wrong with the mtp protocol?
[22:05] <omnidan> using it via fuse is nicer
[22:05] <omnidan> also
[22:05] <omnidan> there is a lot wrong with the mtp protocol
[22:05] <omnidan> mtp is a pain in general
[22:05] <melodie> wh0_d4T when it will be solved, would you post a howto somewhere?
[22:06] <melodie> omnidan ok
[22:06] <omnidan> melodie: to begin with it's a proprietary protocol
[22:06] <omnidan> it doesn't have multitasking
[22:06] <melodie> oh yes
[22:07] <omnidan> and mtp support is shit everywhere except on windows
[22:07] <melodie> omnidan and this leads to what kind of behavior?
[22:07] <wh0_d4T> omnidan: results: http://pastebin.com/4ht3NYUU
[22:07] <omnidan> melodie: it's slow
[22:07] <omnidan> wh0_d4T: sounds good, try cd /media/test now
[22:07] <melodie> so this is what multitasking is for? better speed?
[22:08] <omnidan> melodie: you can do more actions at once
[22:08] <omnidan> e.g. move many files at once
[22:08] <omnidan> with multitasking
[22:09] <melodie> I might have met with this annoyment on a small mp4 player my father offered to my son
[22:11] <melodie> I didn't deal with it the nice way you are doing now. I think I gave up for the movies because they need a special non free software under windows to reduce a video to the right size
[22:11] <melodie> and for the music... I think I found a way
[22:11] <omnidan> melodie: well the mtpfs fuse driver won't change that
[22:11] <omnidan> it still uses the mtp protocol, it just mounts it more nicely
[22:11] <melodie> what will?
[22:11] <melodie> oh ok
[22:11] <omnidan> more unix compatible and stuff
[22:11] <omnidan> err
[22:11] <omnidan> posix sorry
[22:11] <omnidan> :P
[22:12] <melodie> :)
[22:12] <omnidan> melodie: a device that doesn't use mtp will
[22:12] <omnidan> :P
[22:12] <omnidan> then you still have the usb restriction though
[22:12] <omnidan> usb is serial :<
[22:12] <wh0_d4T> omnidan: i need to be root to access from terminal
[22:13] <wh0_d4T> omnidan: cannot sudo cd since get error: sudo: cd: command not found
[22:13] <omnidan> wh0_d4T: sudo su
[22:13] <omnidan> then cd
[22:13] <wh0_d4T> ok
[22:13] <omnidan> note that sudo su makes you root until you run "exit"
[22:14] <melodie> omnidan I sometimes use "sudo -s" instead
[22:15] <omnidan> melodie: it's the same thing
[22:15] <omnidan> "sudo su" is just "the debian way"
[22:15] <omnidan> I say that because debian doesn't have sudo by default, only "su" which makes you root
[22:17] <wh0_d4T> omnidan: this is bizarre, cp -R from terminal to /home/username/Music
[22:17] <wh0_d4T> and folder appears but not .mp3 files
[22:17] <wh0_d4T> :(
[22:17] <omnidan> wh0_d4T: what exactly did you do? just show me the logs
[22:18] <wh0_d4T> omnidan: btw. ls as root on mp3 device for folders with mp3 files, none appear
[22:18] <omnidan> wh0_d4T: so basically /media/test is empty?
[22:19] <wh0_d4T> omnidan: yes. i don't think i'm crazy i know the mp3 files are in the device since i didn't delete them
[22:19] <omnidan> wh0_d4T: it didn't mount correctly then :<
[22:19]  * omnidan never used mtpfs
[22:19] <omnidan> hmm
[22:19] <wh0_d4T> omnidan: how to unmount from mtpfs properly?
[22:20] <omnidan> fusermount -u /media/test
[22:20] <omnidan> that's why I asked earlier
[22:20] <melodie> omnidan did you pay attention that fusermount must not be used as root?
[22:21] <melodie> well, should not as far as I know
[22:21] <omnidan> melodie: he's still in sudo su
[22:21] <omnidan> at least I assumed that
[22:21] <omnidan> :P
[22:22] <melodie> I don't like that
[22:22] <melodie> I would try the udev way
[22:22] <omnidan> I don't like udev tbh
[22:22] <omnidan> but what do you mean anyway?
[22:22] <melodie> do a "lsusb, get the number id for product and vendor, seek if it's in the /etc/udev/rules.d files and if not, add it somewhere
[22:24] <omnidan> jeez all this new technology
[22:24] <omnidan> I'm just kidding
[22:25] <wh0_d4T> omnidan: thank you so much for your help :)
[22:25] <omnidan> yeah sure, melodie but that won't help you mounting mtp :P
[22:25] <omnidan> wh0_d4T: use that guide melodie posted earlier
[22:25] <zleap> omnidan, thanks for helping too
[22:25] <omnidan> or zleap?
[22:25] <melodie> zleap :)
[22:25] <omnidan> ok then
[22:25] <melodie> I did
[22:25] <omnidan> ah yeah
[22:26] <omnidan> wh0_d4T: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2122038
[22:26] <omnidan> oh it uses the -o flag
[22:26] <omnidan> hmm
[22:26] <omnidan> man mtpfs doesn't show anything
[22:26] <omnidan> fusermount shows -o is mount options
[22:27] <omnidan> oh
[22:27] <omnidan> that's just to allow more mtp devices at once
[22:27] <wh0_d4T> zleap: thanks for your help also.
[22:27] <omnidan> wh0_d4T: sorry but I doubt the guide will help you, it essentially does the same I told you to do
[22:27] <zleap> wh0_d4T, you're welcome,
[22:30] <zanzacar> is there a way to see something at load time other then the lubuntu logo? see the details at load time?
[22:30] <zanzacar> get to the terminal instead.
[22:30] <omnidan> zanzacar: you mean while booting?
[22:31] <zanzacar> ya
[22:31] <omnidan> zanzacar: plymouth does that
[22:31] <omnidan> assuming lubuntu uses plymouth :P
[22:31] <omnidan> damn it's hard to support a distro you've never used :D
[22:32] <omnidan> yeah it does
[22:32] <omnidan> zanzacar: if you want a quick solution, just remove the plymouth packages
[22:32] <zanzacar> gotcha
[22:33] <omnidan> zanzacar: if you want to customize it, I ddg'd you a howto: http://askubuntu.com/questions/2007/how-do-i-change-the-plymouth-bootscreen
[22:36] <zleap> zanzacar, i think you can edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg and tell it not to display the splash screen
[22:36] <omnidan> I don't think he means the grub splash screen tbh :P
[22:36] <zleap> ok
[22:36] <zleap> it means that screen that covers up all the text when you boot up, well that could be controlled in that file somewhere
[22:37] <zleap> i just ran  cat grub.cfg | grep splash
[22:37] <zleap> so there may be something in that file that does it,  something to investigate further
[22:39] <zanzacar> o ok will do. i had a computer working with 13.04 and then they upgraded to 13.10 and now it doesnt work. i want to get 13.04 back on it.
[22:39] <zanzacar> i cant see whats happening at boot time cause it just says lubuntu and has the loading dots
[22:41] <zanzacar> i will have to look into that though.
[22:43] <omnidan> zanzacar: that's plymouth
[22:44] <omnidan> plymouth covers these logs
[23:02] <Popolon> hi
[23:02] <Popolon> just for information : gtkterm application has not an adapted icon for lxde
[23:03] <Popolon> result => larger icon, and lot of space around other icons :(
[23:04] <Popolon> package 'gtkterm'
[23:09] <Popolon> http://pix.toile-libre.org/?img=1382915351.png