[00:00] <wilee-nilee> dingle, boot a live cd/usb and see if it works.
[00:01] <dingle> wilee-nilee: it works, i also have a dual system, when i boot from windows the sound card works
[00:01] <nico_> lkfdklf
[00:02] <bjrohan> I need help with displays. I am usin Kubuntu, but I am not able to get a resolution in there . .  yet.
[00:03] <clayton_> k1l: it's a geforce gtx 460. kernel-headers: I'm not sure. This is basically one of the first things I did after installing it. How can I check? log: anything I should look for in particular?
[00:03] <Dr_Willis_> dingle:  does it work from a UBUNTU live cd?
[00:04] <dingle> Dr_Willis_: yes
[00:04] <bjrohan> On my laptop all was working fine until I updated to 13.10. All was fine until I connected my HDMI to my TV. When disconnecting it, my laptop screen now goes blank, even after a rboot and logging into my degault account. logging into the guest account it all works fine
[00:04] <Dr_Willis_> 'yes it does work from a ubuntu live cd' or 'no it does not work from a ubuntu live cd'   :)  the fact it works in windows. shows you at least got the speakers hooked up. ;)
[00:04] <k1l> clayton_: i got to leave now. but you can pastebin the apt log and the syslog from /var/log so supporters can have a look. good luck
[00:04] <Dr_Willis_> The fact it does work from a live cd is a good sign at least.
[00:04] <dingle> Dr_Willis_: yes it works from a ubuntu live cd
[00:04] <clayton_> k1l: sure thing. thanks.
[00:04] <Dr_Willis_> dingle:  done a 'sudo apt-get update'  'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' on the installed system yet?
[00:05] <dingle> Dr_Willis_: yes, the sound card was working until few days ago
[00:05] <Dr_Willis_> so it was working on a new install, then some updates or somnthing a day or 3 ago caused sound to stop working..
[00:05] <wilee-nilee> dingle, Good, how fresh is this install, and how much twerking, lol, have you done?
[00:07] <wilee-nilee> any 3rd party repos...etc?
[00:07] <nico_> cvxc
[00:07] <dingle> wilee-nilee: i think the system is up to date, and A LOT
[00:08] <wilee-nilee> dingle, a lot of 3rd parties, say ppa's?
[00:08] <dingle> wilee-nilee: no
[00:08] <bjrohan> Dr_Willis_: You are an expert :-) Do you know where I may go to find the config file for display settings, multiple displays, and the HDMI out?
[00:08] <wilee-nilee> dingle, what does a lot mean in this context?
[00:09] <dingle> wilee-nilee: ive removing and adding drivers for four days, following every tip i could find online on how to solve this
[00:10] <dingle> wilee-nilee: does this help http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=323f6e5b02fd2da8ff9478b71a28be87484c925e ?
[00:11] <wilee-nilee> dingle, Ah, following tips on line, that can be a bane of bricking if you do not keep a record, and know how to reverse these changes or at least have a backup/clone of the working setup. I would just start over if it were me, and be more careful, trying to fix what you do not know is broke is a frustration that will give you more trouble than it's worth.
[00:13] <dingle> wilee-nilee: i agree but i've been trying to avoid starting over because i don't have the time to set everything back the way i want
[00:14] <wilee-nilee> dingle, All I can say is if you do it enough and know some tricks like saving app install listas repos and keys, and configs...ect that goes really fast, I cvan install and have the same setup in less time than you have been on this channel today.
[00:15] <Dr_Willis_> bjrohan:  for my nvidia systems - its in xorg.conf. each user also has their own config in their home
[00:16] <Patero-ng> is ubuntu growing in popularity in 2012 there use to be 1300-1500 people here now is always at 1700
[00:17] <wilee-nilee> dingle, and besides that I have clones of the setups already that takes about 5-10 min to reload.
[00:17] <bjrohan> Dr_Willis_: I have a built in Intel graphics card, the GUI is not working very well. is the xorg.conf in the user home as well as a generic place?
[00:18] <jorge> Hola
[00:19] <danfo> Patero-ng: it is 2013?
[00:19] <XLV> Patero-ng either that or there are more issues for support :P
[00:20] <jorge> alguien habla español??
[00:20] <Patero-ng> XLV: that's truth
[00:20] <Patero-ng> jorge: hola jorgito
[00:20] <jorge> hola a todos
[00:21] <Patero-ng> jorge: este canal es en ingles solamente en espaniol es ubuntu-es
[00:21] <jorge> como hago para llegar ahi
[00:21] <Patero-ng> tipea /join #ubuntu-es
[00:22] <jorge> gracias patero
[00:22] <cvtsx> herro
[00:23] <cvtsx> como estas
[00:23] <Patero-ng> cvtsx: yo?
[00:24] <Dr_Willis_> bjrohan:  xorg.conf is options. there is some monitors/display setting file in the users home that they save to when they use the monitors/display settings tool
[00:24] <Dr_Willis_> bjrohan:  intel drivers are built in, so are rarely needed to be messed with
[00:25] <bjrohan> Hmm, yeah. I didn't have this problem until the 13.10 uprade, perhaps go back to an older kernel and see?
[00:25] <Patero-ng> danfo: 2013 and soon 2014
[00:25] <danfo> :D
[00:26] <Dr_Willis_> ive seen 3000+ people in here on release day. ;) but i tend to avoid the channel for the first few days after release
[00:26] <bjrohan> Dr_Willis_: Looks like when I plugged in the HDMI it triggered some setting in my regular account, b/c logging into a guest account everything is fine (I have not plugged the guest account into my TV to see what happens)
[00:26] <Patero-ng> Dr_Willis_: oh wow I would love to be here that day
[00:26] <Patero-ng> I wish I was here for 10.04
[00:26] <fossterer> hi! I deleted  my only primary partition... How can I reclaim a part of it to another Extended partition?
[00:28] <XLV> fossterer if you havent written over it, you can recover it whole
[00:28] <odium> how can I keep firefox's flash stay in fullscreen mode on my other monitor?
[00:29] <fossterer> XLV: I'm asking if it is possible to shrink it and use the leftover space into an existing extended partition
[00:30] <odium> :(
[00:32] <wilee-nilee> fossterer, Can you take a screenshot of gparted looking at it and imagebin it?
[00:32] <XLV> fossterer yes, you can..use gparted
[00:33] <Dr_Willis_> bjrohan: there may be some .file in the users home that has some monitor settings saved.    for my nvidia system its .nvidia-settings-rc i dont have an intel system here to look at
[00:33] <Dr_Willis_> odium:  the webupd8 or omgubuntu blog site had tweaks for that exact issue.
[00:33] <wilee-nilee> !screenshot | fossterer
[00:33] <XLV> fossterer if its root partition.. the easy way is to download a live cd like clonezilla
[00:34] <XLV> fossterer another option is systemrescuecd, i have used that one, uses gui
[00:35] <Swabby> I'm wanting to network install linux on a old dell that has no cdrom and no usb boot capability.. is there an easy way to do this?
[00:35] <Dr_Willis_> Patero-ng:  i ment on  the day of almost every relase (every 6 mo) ive seen 3000 people here. havent paid much attention to it the last few reelases.
[00:35] <Swabby> i have a dual boot win 7 / ubuntu machine.
[00:35] <Dr_Willis_> Swabby:  might be easier to pull the hd.  - use a usb enclosuer. install to it.. put it back
[00:35] <wilee-nilee> Swabby, are you sure it can even run ubuntu?
[00:36] <Dr_Willis_> are you sure it can even do a net boot. ;)
[00:36] <wilee-nilee> yeah goota be a no pae's here
[00:36] <Swabby> wilee - LOL i'm not sure...it's a latitude C610..google says people have run ubuntu on it with success.
[00:36] <wilee-nilee> gotta*
[00:36] <Dr_Willis_> Swabby:  how old of a release of ubuntu..  newer ubuntu releases need a PAE enabled CPU
[00:37] <wilee-nilee> Swabby, There are minimal requirements I would check those, might be an okay server.
[00:37] <Swabby> drwillis - Honestly i need something minimal...i was going to give the machine to my daughter to play some games and use abcmouse.com
[00:37] <fossterer> XLV: wilee-nilee: http://imagebin.org/274877
[00:37] <fossterer> I am aiming for 4 partitions of 120 GiB each but sda5 and sda6 have important data
[00:39] <wilee-nilee> fossterer, Having the partitions out of numerical order looking at the image from left to right creates problems.
[00:39] <wilee-nilee> in making new partitions in general, I would back up those important ones and start over.
[00:40] <wilee-nilee> never delete a partition in general just rebuild it to keep the numerical order, or know that they change when you do.
[00:41] <fossterer> wilee-nilee: Is there something you want me to do about numerical ordering?
[00:41] <wilee-nilee> fossterer, I don;t the partitioner does.
[00:41] <fossterer> wilee-nilee: What to do?
[00:43] <wilee-nilee> fossterer, I saw a user on here once who found a way to change the numbers, I don't know how myself, but in order for gparted to work in general the partition numbers go up from left to right in looking at it from front to end of the HD. THe saiest would be to copy and paste the info from the ones you want to an external, amke the new partitions and paste and copy back all with gparted.
[00:44] <wilee-nilee> easiest for me anyway, others may have netter ideas.
[00:44] <wilee-nilee> better*
[00:44] <Dr_Willis_> fossterer:  its a very good idea to backup the data BEFOR you try to resize/repartion... theres always a chance you can lose data on teh hd  if somthing screws up
[00:45] <Dr_Willis_> power failure during a resize = bad
[00:45] <SchrodingersScat> Dr_Willis_: but i don't need the backups until it's too late
[00:45] <Dr_Willis_> SchrodingersScat:  backup the backups!
[00:46] <fossterer> People, that's about 140 GB of data which I am not going to backup coz I have a backup at a different place
[00:46] <Dr_Willis_> fossterer:  delete it then.
[00:46] <fossterer> can we move onto just the resizing
[00:46] <wilee-nilee> clonezilla would clone them, however the reload has to be the same size partition or bigger is all, and if the nunbers are different adjusted in the save accordingly.
[00:46] <Dr_Willis_> will make resizeing much faster/easier
[00:46] <Dr_Willis_> fire up gparted and go to town if you are not worried about the data
[00:46] <fossterer> Dr_Willis_: please... deleting srikes me a joke
[00:47] <wilee-nilee> yeah, don;t follow any logic that would be to safe. ;)
[00:47] <Dr_Willis_> fossterer:  you just said the data was allready backed up and not  critical
[00:48] <Dr_Willis_> you can have 4 primary partions, one of which can  be an extended.. containing logicals.. looks like you got the logicals as the ones to keep.
[00:48] <wilee-nilee> Alright Mr. Jones you need a lobotomy, you don;t mind if I use this rusty saw do you.
[00:48] <Dr_Willis_> that means you can have 3 primary partions.
 <sda2> <sda3> <sda4(extended <holding <sda5> <sda6>>
[00:49] <fossterer> Dr_Willis_: ok.. I'll let sda5 & 6 stay Extended.. and move the rest to primary.. can I do that?
[00:49] <Dr_Willis_> to get space Out of the extended partion. might take some work. I recall it being doable. but you got to click carefully in gparted.
[00:50] <Dr_Willis_> and you may need to resize sda5 and sda6 first. move them to one end of the extended. then shrink the extended.
[00:50] <Dr_Willis_> THEn resize the primaries
[00:50] <Dr_Willis_> this sound right to anyone else? i tend to use all primaries these days
[00:50] <fossterer> Dr_Willis_: yeah.. sda5 doesn't get increased.. what could the reason be?
[00:51] <Dr_Willis_> i recall needing to click VERY carefully in gparted to be sure to select the right partions.  Not done this in years.
[00:51] <wilee-nilee> Dr_Willis_, there are  no primaries there http://imagebin.org/274877
[00:51] <LuckySMack> hey guys. i was hoping to get some advice. ive used ubuntu server for a while but am setting up a new machine for web app development. i want to see how others have setup their environment for their actual web apps. im not as concerned about the http server as much, as much as I am the management of a staging and production environment.
[00:51] <wilee-nilee> oops just sda3 at the end lol
[00:52] <fossterer> Dr_Willis_: wilee-nilee: The primary used to be  that unallocated 141G...
[00:52] <LuckySMack> more along the lines of how people manage the apps themselves on their webserver between different environments.
[00:52] <Dr_Willis_> wilee-nilee:  wow - that image reminds me of why i always use all primaries now.
[00:52] <wilee-nilee> Dr_Willis_, Yeah, thats a bit messed up easily fixed really.
[00:53] <Dr_Willis_> the goal is to move that 38gb all the way to the front?
[00:53] <Visionaary3289> i installed LAMP on ubuntu and i cant change anything in /www
[00:53] <Visionaary3289> do i lack permissions?
[00:53] <fossterer> Dr_Willis_: yep, that's one rquirement
[00:53] <Visionaary3289> how do i fix this
[00:54] <wilee-nilee> I just never delete partitions in the middle of others to keep the numerical flow, or just know if I remove onr between the others above go down one number in an extended
[00:54] <fossterer> wilee-nilee: Is there a way to reassign those numbers?
[00:55] <Dr_Willis_> fossterer:  from what i see you would have to move sda6. reboot. (to be sure)   move sda5. move sda9, (all to the right),  untill the 38gb is at the start of the extended partion, then shrink the extended
[00:55] <wilee-nilee> I haave 7 partitons right now, 3 primaries the rest in an extended and a swap
[00:55] <wilee-nilee> 1,2,3 5,6,7,8
[00:56] <fossterer> Dr_Willis_: Mve sda6.. where to?
[00:56] <Dr_Willis_> fossterer:  to the right...
[00:56] <Dr_Willis_> that puts the unallocated spafce to the left...
[00:56] <Dr_Willis_> you might have to grow and shrink. if gparted cant safely move the data
[00:57] <Dr_Willis_> depending on the filesystem and how its setup. gparted cant always do all the move/resize/grow/shrink operations i recall
[00:57] <Dr_Willis_> but these all seem to be ext4 - so it should be able to.
[00:57] <Geo> Hi, how do I get rid of several defunct processes I have in my ps list?
[00:57] <wilee-nilee> if any are OS"s though I would have suprgrub on hand to get back in.
[00:58] <Dr_Willis_> yep - resize/move/shrinking can change the UUID (at times ive seen it happen)  so i would jot down the uuid of each partion befor starting
[00:58] <Dr_Willis_> this looks like perhaps a 3 day job. ;)
[00:59] <maxb> If you're going to have that many partitions, perhaps you should consider using GPT, thus avoiding all the mess of primary/extended/logical
[00:59] <Dr_Willis_> maxb:  yep ;)
[01:00] <maxb> gdisk can convert an existing MBR-based setup to GPT in place
[01:00] <Dr_Willis_> maxb:  cant say ive seen that done. :) be a neat trick.  sort of a scary trick sounds like.
[01:00] <Dr_Willis_> but it is halloween!
[01:02] <WinstonSmith> hi :) my keyboard does not work with newer kernels (for example latest stable which i did compile myself and got from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/). i do however have a keyboard in /proc/bus/input/devices and a keyb device in  /sys/class/input/{event|input} any ideas how i might get closer to the root of the problem?
[01:03] <WinstonSmith> ah and keyb does not work in X and tty
[01:03] <fossterer> Dr_Willis_: maxb: This is what I'd do..
[01:03] <fossterer> 1. Boot from Ubuntu Live USB..
[01:03] <fossterer> 2. Delete sda9, 8, 7
[01:03] <fossterer> 3. resize 5 &6 to 120 GiB
[01:03] <fossterer> 4. Finally move the unallocated space to that first Unallocated Space..
[01:03] <FloodBot1> fossterer: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:03] <fossterer> Is that feasible?
[01:04] <fossterer> FloodBot1: Sorry!
[01:04] <maxb> fossterer: I don't understand what you mean in point 4.
[01:05] <maxb> Which of these partitions are currently bootable if any? What bootloader is in use? Is that NTFS partition important?
[01:05] <fossterer> maxb: After resizing sda5 & 6 I'd get a space in Extended part.. right?
[01:05] <Dr_Willis_> fossterer:  delete te partions in front of and behind 5 and 6, then grow 5 to the left.. and 6 to the right...
[01:05] <Dr_Willis_> that still wont take up the unallocated thats outside the extnede.
[01:06] <Dr_Willis_> if you want to do all extended.. then that will make things easier i guess. ;)
[01:06] <fossterer> Dr_Willis_: I am ok with that too
[01:07] <Dr_Willis_> you may want to resize the extended first. so its using the  unallocated space to the left  first.. if you can
[01:07] <fossterer> Dr_Willis_: I need only this last thing.. "Can I move unallocated space from Extended to Primary? If so how can I do?"
[01:08] <SuperLag> I've written a script I'm running as root, and I'm running gsettings to customize the Unity Launcher icons for my normal profile. But I'm guessing it's applying that command to root's profile, and not to my user. Is there a way to call gsettings as root, but apply the action to a regular user?
[01:08] <Dr_Willis_> what primary? it will be sda2 the extended taking up the drive from the start, untill almost the end.
[01:08] <Dr_Willis_> you should be able to add that 142gb to sda2
[01:08] <FloodBot1> !netsplit
[01:09] <Dr_Willis_> nice thing about gparted.. you can play it and then cancle the changes. ;)   nothing will happen untill you hit apply i recall.
[01:09] <maxb> ish. flags changes happen immediately IIRC
[01:10] <WinstonSmith> hi :) my keyboard does not work with newer kernels (for example latest stable which i did compile myself and got from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/). i do however have a keyboard in /proc/bus/input/devices and a keyb device in  /sys/class/input/{event|input} any ideas how i might get closer to the root of the problem?
[01:10] <fossterer> Dr_Willis_: "add that 142gb to sda2" Confirm me if this just works.. All my questions would have been answered with that
[01:10] <Dr_Willis_> fossterer:  it should be doable. if you can get space out of a extenede.. you should be able to put space back in.. its just resizeing the extended
[01:11] <Geo> Hi, how do I get rid of several defunct processes I have in my ps list?
[01:11] <noname071896> anybody know what kind of changes we can expect when ubuntu switches x.org for mir?
[01:11] <Dr_Willis_> which is sda2. which has a Key/lock on it in that image.. so you CANT do it with it mounted/inuse
[01:11] <Dr_Willis_> noname071896:  other then total chaos and  mass ranting in this channel? :)
[01:11] <noname071896> yeah
[01:11] <Dr_Willis_> noname071896:  from what i 'hear'  the change shouldbe transparent to most people. if it works properly
[01:12] <noname071896> i'm gonna be honest, i'm not going any further than 13.04, and i'm switching to arch as soon as i get it 100% working
[01:12] <Dr_Willis_> i imagine the nvidia and ati users will have the hardest time of it all. but thats what Xmir is for.
[01:12] <Dr_Willis_> noname071896:  jokes on you.. you NEVER get arch 100% working. ;)
[01:12] <noname071896> actually i did
[01:12] <noname071896> but i done goofed
[01:12] <noname071896> and messed it up
[01:12] <noname071896> so now i have to start over
[01:12] <Ari-Yang> >never get something 100% working
[01:13] <Dr_Willis_> i broke an arch install once by installing some.. err.. manual/docs packages.. ;) yers ago.. havent tried it sence then.
[01:13] <Ari-Yang> btw this discussion should be chatted in #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:13] <noname071896> point taken
[01:13] <Dr_Willis_> ubuntu is focusing on conergance of their phone/tablet/pc - - so thats their design goal. arch has totally differnt goals. so it depends on your needs.
[01:13] <Dr_Willis_> convergance
[01:14] <Dr_Willis_> 'the latest buzz word'
[01:14] <noname071896> i think it has something to do with user friendly-ness and expanding their market as well
[01:14] <noname071896> their trying to make it more accessible for standard, non tech literate people
[01:15] <Dr_Willis_> I honestly think they are just throwing things out there. and seeing what sticks. ;)
[01:17] <wilee-nilee> honestly that's about all you can do in most of life. ;)
[01:19] <Dr_Willis_> targeting the 'idiot' market - often is not the best idea however ;) no matter how nice you want to be to them.. they just seem to expect things to get dumbed down even more. ;)  but time will tell.
[01:21] <noname071896> targeting the 'idiot' market is exactly why i'm switching to arch, but on a more related topic, how long has everyone been using ubuntu
[01:22] <qin> noname071896: too long, off to sabayon ;)
[01:22] <noname071896> sabayon
[01:22] <wilee-nilee> noname071896, well arch is perfect for the market. ;)
[01:22] <noname071896> sabayon?
[01:22] <noname071896> what market?
[01:22] <wilee-nilee> there all linux hardly a difference really
[01:23] <dougiel> how is the new ubuntu - should I take the plunge? 13.04 now will 13.10 fix my bluetooth woes?
[01:23] <Dr_Willis_> dougiel:  get the live  cd and test it out?
[01:23] <dougiel> Dr_Willis_, good advice
[01:23] <noname071896> so like i was saying, how long has everyone been using ubuntu
[01:23] <dougiel> ty
[01:24] <wilee-nilee> noname071896, You used the market reference; think about it.
[01:24] <SchrodingersScat> !poll | noname071896
[01:24] <dougiel> Dr_Willis_, but it won't bugger my 13.04 will it?
[01:24] <JurassicJon> noname071896, i've been on and off ubuntu for years, but i think i have finally made the full switch now
[01:24] <dougiel> err I mean upgradeing Dr_Willis_
[01:24] <Dr_Willis_> dougiel:   no idea.
[01:25] <dougiel> lol
[01:25] <Dr_Willis_> dougiel:  upgrades can always carry risk
[01:27] <Geo> Hi, how do I get rid of several defunct processes I have in my ps list?
[01:28] <Dr_Willis_> i dont think you can kill zombie processes... thats why they are called zombies.
[01:28] <Dr_Willis_> I think they get 'reaped' every so often. but i cant recall where i read this at.. some techy articals  ages ago i imagine
[01:29] <Dr_Willis_> nerdy linux articals and kernel books ages ago. ;)
[01:29] <wilee-nilee> they ndon't eat much more than your brains
[01:30] <fossterer> wilee-nilee: maxb: Dr_Willis_: I think I am in a position now to start that work... Thanks for your responses
[01:33] <Geo> thanks
[01:36] <iguano> http://www.theweeklypay.com/index.php?share=19844/
[01:37] <SuperLag> Arch? BAH.
[01:40] <PinkSwing> I replaced Network-manager with Wicd as my Wifi connection was unreliable. But now Wicd does not appear in the indicator applet in the panel at the top of the screen. I am using Ubuntu 12.04 with Gnome Classic. I have added 'Wicd' to the indicator panel whitelist under dconf-editor Unity panel settings but it makes no difference. I also tried setting this to ['All'] but this does not work either. The Wicd icon is also not there in Unity
[01:41] <Dr_Willis_> Hmm. Im not clear on why wicd woule make the network conection more reliable. the system is  still using the same wifi drivers
[01:42] <trism> PinkSwing: the whitelist is for unity, those things would show up in the Notification Area applet for the panel
[01:42] <Dr_Willis_> PinkSwing:  checked askubuntu.com yet on replaceing network manager with wicd? thee may be some tricks/tips there.
[01:42] <trism> PinkSwing: assuming it has a status icon
[01:42] <Dr_Willis_> Im not sure  how much that whitelist for  the indicator applets is even used any more.
[01:43] <trism> yeah it's gone in 13.04
[01:44] <Dr_Willis_> i still liked how windowmaker had its dock-applets for things like that. :) let me decide what i wanted to see/keep/rearange.
[01:44] <PinkSwing> Dr_Willis_: The reason I changed to Wicd is because this post recommended it http://www.techdrivein.com/2012/09/slow-erratic-wifi-ubuntu1204-fixed.html
[01:44] <elliott04> Im trying to install Ubuntu on a terrible old netbook I was given. After creating a USB boot drive, the installation fails and drops to an Initramfs prompt. This has happened with both Ubuntu and Mint Mate. Not sure what I am doing wrong.
[01:44] <Dr_Willis_> i have like 11 icons in the top right icon list.. which i rarely ever use.
[01:45] <Dr_Willis_> elliott04:  try the boot-repair tool perhaps.
[01:45] <Dr_Willis_> !fixgrub | elliott04
[01:46] <PinkSwing> trism: Yes I thought Unity Whitelist was irrelevant for gnome classic but it was worth a try. Wicd doesnt appear in the Notification Area applet for gnome.
[01:48] <PinkSwing> Dr_Willis_: The main reason I changed to Wicd is that my Wifi connection kept not working and sometimes disconnecting altogether. This has happened on two different routers and my android portable hotspot. Network Manager kept asking for the WPA key again and again even though it had not changed.
[01:50] <Dr_Willis_> does wicd even need to be in the noticication area to work?
[01:50] <Dr_Willis_> i thought wicd had a cli-variant also
[01:54] <PinkSwing> Dr_Willis_: Wicd doesnt need to be in the notification area to work: I can run the client from the menu. I just wanted it a signal strength icon in my panel as I often have problems with internet dropping so being able to just glance at it is handy. Also being able to click on it to change networks was handy too. I wonder if it's more an issue with the wifi driver than the network manager but then lots of people in the forums seem to me
[01:54] <Guest63466> could anyone help me with a problem with etheret on 13.1
[01:56] <PinkSwing> Is there an anti spam bot in here? Someone just private messaged me a spam link to a webcam
[01:56] <Guest63466> my problem is on a dual boot windows system and my ethernet is not being identified on the ubuntu side
[01:56] <Guest63466> there are a few forums about it but i cant seem to get anything to work
[01:58] <hays> is anyone else getting the behaviour where they get 400 windows saying their computer is going to go into suspend mode if they leave it alone for a little while?  it looks like something is kicking up this window every so ofthen when the computer is (attempting to?) sleep
[01:58] <PinkSwing> Guest63466: When you say the ethernet is not being identified, what do you mean exactly? What is the expected behaviour?
[01:59] <PinkSwing> Guest63466: And what is not happening?
[01:59] <Dr_Willis_> you mean wifi networking or a wired nic also Guest63466 ?
[01:59] <wrl_> Anyone have an idea of how to get the unity dashboard to function?
[01:59] <Dr_Willis_> wrl_:  what unity dashboard do you mean?
[01:59] <MonkeyDust> 3am here, good night
[02:00] <xmetal> :) @ swapped my (still good) 15inch screen for a 19 inch LCD someone didn't want
[02:00] <Guest63466> so to those answering my etherent question- I can see it attempting a connection but it does not go through. The windows 7 partition has full internet connectivity
[02:00] <Guest63466> interestingly I loaded this partition off of a live usb drive, and the live usb boot has internet connectivity just fine
[02:01] <wrl_> The icon at the top left on the panel.  If I click on it, I get the page that should show files, applications, and whatever I search for. But on mine nothing happens except that the page opens.
[02:01] <Guest63466> Dr.willis i mean wired etherent
[02:02] <Dr_Willis_> wrl_:  make a new user - see if it works for them
[02:02] <PinkSwing> Guest63466: Do you mean that when you plug in an ethernet cable, the Network Manager icon just goes round and round for ever but the Wired connection icon doesnt ever show?
[02:02] <Dr_Willis_> wrl_:  if a new user works - that points to a user setting issue with the problem user
[02:02] <wrl_> Guest63466: What do you see if you open a terminal and type "ifconfig" w/o the quotes of course.
[02:02] <Guest63466> yes. it eventually says disconnected after going around and around
[02:03] <Guest63466> ok i will attempt to make a new user
[02:03] <Dr_Willis_> that was for wrl_  ;)
[02:03] <Guest63466> oh
[02:03] <Guest63466> ok
[02:03] <wrl_> Dr_Willis_:  I already tried that.  Same behaviour.
[02:04] <Guest63466> so here is the series, it boots attempts to connect to ethernet, and then says disconnected without ever giving a connection
[02:05] <Dr_Willis_> sounds like a bug with the wire nic's chipset drivers    you said you tried some fix's Guest63466 ?
[02:05] <xmetal> odd ... awhile back i was at a wifi ap that windows 7 couldn't see (that the AP even was there) ... started a Ubuntu like distro (those who know me know what one) and the AP was detected and connected too just fine
[02:05] <xmetal> :) @ ubuntu
[02:05] <Guest63466> multiple soureces said it was due to dual booting the system and the windows driver shuts down the lan
[02:06] <Guest63466> so i tried a fix in bios and nothing happened
[02:06] <Dr_Willis_> Guest63466:  try powering OFF the system. and booting straight to ubuntu,  not a reboot from windows. perhaps
[02:06] <Guest63466> I have dr.willis its a partitioned drive
[02:06] <Dr_Willis_> ive seen a few weird hard ware devices that windows would put in a mode that linux couldent reset
[02:06] <Guest63466> so i am booting directly into ubuntu
[02:06] <CrackerJack> quit
[02:06] <Dr_Willis_> other then that. no idea. driver bugs can be a pain.
[02:06] <Guest63466> also i stress that the USB i loaded this off of has a live partition, and when booting to the partition there IS live etherent
[02:07] <wrl_> Guest63466:  That is after actually doing a full shutdown?
[02:07] <elliott04> Maybe I dont understand, but that doesnt appear to help me. I have windows 7 installed on the netbook without ubuntu - which has never been installed as of yet. I have made a live usb via unetbootin and changed my bios to boot from it. When I reboot the netbook, I not shown the Ubuntu language select like the wiki shows - instead a blue box with the UNetbootin title, and one option for Default. When selected, a wall of text occurs,
[02:07] <elliott04> After that I am left at the Initramfs propt.
[02:07] <Guest63466> wrl yes.
[02:08] <wrl_> Have you done an ifconfig to see if the device is recognized by the network software?
[02:08] <Guest63466> no what would the command be
[02:09] <wrl_> In a terminal, type "ifconfig"
[02:09] <xmetal> i admit i neer worked with Unetbootin ... i make (via windows) boot usbs with a different app
[02:09] <xmetal> dang i forgot the name
[02:09] <xmetal> wubi ?
[02:10] <xmetal> brb
[02:10] <xmetal> Yumi is what the exe says
[02:10] <Guest63466> ok i did ifconfig and it read as eth1
[02:10] <wrl_> Guest63466: Also while you'r there type "lsub" to see what kind of ethernet device you have.
[02:10] <xmetal> (that sounds like baby-talk.. lol)
[02:11] <PinkSwing> Guest63466: wrl_: I think that should be "lsusb" ;-P
[02:11] <xmetal> !bootusb
[02:11] <xmetal> hmm thats not it
[02:11] <wrl_> Guest63466: but it does not show an IP address like the l0 interface does, yes?
[02:11] <xmetal> !usb
[02:12] <xmetal> www.pendrivelinux.com i think is the url i was trying to think of
[02:12] <xmetal> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/ yes
[02:13] <elliott04> im going to move the ISO over to the netbook from my mac, and try and make the live usb there instead.
[02:14] <elliott04> We'll see how that goes.
[02:15] <Guest63466> sorry lost connection for a sec
[02:15] <Guest63466> im back dr.willis
[02:15] <lotuspsychje> morning to all
[02:15] <Guest63466> so 1sub did not work
[02:15] <Dr_Willis_> lsusb
[02:15] <Dr_Willis_> with an L.
[02:16] <Guest63466> oh
[02:16] <wrl_> Guest634666:  That is an el not a 1
[02:16] <Guest63466> ok i have bus 001 deviced oo4, obda:00182
[02:17] <Guest63466> realket semiconductor corrp
[02:17] <wrl_> Guest63466: It will only show the ethernet device if it is a usb device but in most new hardware it is.  Does it give the brand and chipset?
[02:17] <IamTrying> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elS3tdsy2yo  - How to do this in Ubuntu ? What do we call this scree-saver or screen virtual animations??
[02:17] <Guest63466> realket 0182 i think is my ethernet
[02:17] <Guest63466> realtek*
[02:18] <PinkSwing> How can I check which wifi card I have? I looked in Additional Drivers in the System Settings and apparently I have a proprietary Broadcom STA proprietary driver (tested by the Ubuntu developers it says) activated. However, I don't know exactly which card I have?
[02:19] <wrl_> Guest63466: pretty sure that is supported.
[02:19] <wrl_> Are you using a DHCP network?
[02:19] <lotuspsychje> IamTrying: seems like its a win screen animation
[02:20] <IamTrying> lotuspsychje, YEA - what does it call ? How do i do this in Ubuntu desktop ?
[02:20] <DasEi> PinkSwing: iwconfig or hwinfo
[02:20] <Guest63466> i believe so i have verizon fios router
[02:20] <DasEi> !wireless
[02:20] <Guest63466> i think its set to dhcp
[02:20] <PinkSwing> I am wondering if I need to use an NDIS wrapper driver instead of the proprietary Broadcom wifi driver. Maybe that would make the connection more reliable. On the other hand, maybe I need to see how it goes with wicd, but it would be nice to have the tray icon back
[02:20] <PinkSwing> DasEi: Thanks
[02:21] <lotuspsychje> IamTrying: you can always try it on wine..nut not sure this will work, never seen an alternative like that for ubuntu
[02:21] <lotuspsychje> !broadcom | PinkSwing
[02:22] <IamTrying> lotuspsychje, OK - what does this functionality calls "NAME" of this feature? so that can be searched in youTube for linux
[02:22] <iguano> http://www.theweeklypay.com/index.php?share=19844/
[02:22] <iguano> http://www.theweeklypay.com/index.php?share=19844/
[02:22] <wrl_> Guest63466: do you know the pool range for the router?
[02:23] <DasEi> !wireless | PinkSwing
[02:23] <Guest63466> i have access to the router page but i am inexperienced with it
[02:23] <wrl_> Guest63466: what kind of numbers is it assigning?
[02:24] <PinkSwing> DasEi: Thanks again. Not sure how I check exactly which Broadcom I have. I have tried hwinfo|grep wireless but that isnt working. Anyway, I need to read those links you sent.
[02:24] <lotuspsychje> PinkSwing: lshw -C network
[02:24] <Dr_Willis_> lspci or lsusb my also give some info
[02:24] <DasEi> .. :)
[02:24] <wrl_> Guest63466: What I'm thinking is to give you a command to manually set the interface and see if that works.
[02:25] <DasEi> PinkSwing: yes, this a good step by step guide, and feel free to ask again
[02:26] <Guest63466> ok the router pool is set to give increasing numbers like 192.168.1.2
[02:26] <wrl_> Guest63466: If the router is assigning you numbers like 192.168.1.3 where the "3" might be anything from 2 to 20 then we can just use a number outside of that range.
[02:26] <Guest63466> then 192.168.1.3 and so on
[02:26] <Guest63466> so i have 8 connections up to 192.168.1.8
[02:26] <Guest63466> one second i will run lspci
[02:27] <wrl_> Guest63466: Give me a few minutes... I'm having some difficulty here.  I'll be back with a command to try in a bit.
[02:28] <Guest63466> said ethernet controller RTL8111/8168/8411
[02:28] <lotuspsychje> IamTrying: not sure whats it called precisely, maybe browse software centre for animations?
[02:29] <ezio> i have an amazon ec2 ubuntu 13.10 .. for some reason every time i run ssh as a user i creatred i get Permission denied (publickey).
[02:29] <ezio> even if i'm trying to ssh out
[02:29] <Guest63466> ok i will stand by guys thanks so much for the help
[02:29] <ezio> like ssh localhost
[02:30] <Guest63466> this is so frustrating because it works on the live usb but not the hard disk install!
[02:30] <IamTrying> How come Ubuntu do not have such stuffs? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elS3tdsy2yo
[02:31] <IamTrying> Virtual Pets or calls Screen Virtual pets?
[02:31] <Dr_Willis_> a virtual pet screensaver?
[02:31] <lotuspsychje> IamTrying: maybe here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/106624/tools-for-3d-animations-models-skeletons-and-other-animation-techniques
[02:32] <PinkSwing> Dr_Willis_: DasEi: lotuspsychje: Thanks. My wifi card is a Broadcom 4313 and apparently the proprietary driver is the one recommended. Now I'm just wondering if I should leave the laptop running overnight and check the logs in the morning to see how often the wifi connection has a problem now that I am using Wicd instead of Network Manager. Then I could try the same thing tomorrow with Network-Manager. At least that way I would have mor
[02:32] <IamTrying> Dr_Willis_, YES
[02:32] <ubukou> hey folks, i ve had a nightmare of a day trying to install a new graphics card. i has problems i have never seen before. for starters i can only see the post message for the RAID configuration. I can blindly choose which operating system to boot on grub(ubuntu is a black screen). if i boot into windows, i can only work in 800x600 and in 16 colors. any tips?
[02:32] <lotuspsychje> PinkSwing: can you describe what your actual problem is with your wifi connection
[02:32] <ubukou> my psu is 750watts and the GPU is GTX650
[02:33] <ubukou> can it be that i have 9 disks (6 RAID+3 normal)
[02:34] <lotuspsychje> ubukou: wich ubuntu version?
[02:34] <Dr_Willis_> ubukou:  you did plug the power conector to the video card?
[02:35] <wrl_> Guest63466: You don't have 2 ethernet interfaces do you? If not try "ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.255 192.168.1.100" and if there are no errors follow with "ifconfig eth0"
[02:35] <ubukou> Dr_Willis_, lotuspsychje i have. i have used the pci-e connector that is onboard the PSU( not the extra one, the Red.) im running ubuntu 12.10
[02:36] <Guest63466> i have a duel boot system with win 7, is that 2 interfaces?
[02:36] <wrl_> Guest63466: No it isn't
[02:36] <ubukou> dr_willis, i understand that a system needs more amps to start. can it be that the GPU has not enough power to start? i mean 9 disks is not that much
[02:36] <Guest63466> in that case just 1 interface
[02:36] <PinkSwing> IamTrying: Here are some virtual Pets. Is this what you had in mind? http://www.freedownloadmanager.org/download/ubuntu-virtual-pet-4759738.html             http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38661        but my favourite is http://www.cyberciti.biz/open-source/oneko-app-creates-cute-cat-chasing-around-your-mouse/       which reminds me of xcat we had on Sun workstations at uni 20 years ago
[02:36] <Guest63466> so i will try what you said just now
[02:36] <wrl_> Guest63466: If you get an error, let me know what it is.
[02:37] <Guest63466> ok
[02:37] <Guest63466> error after the first command
[02:38] <Guest63466> siocsifaddr: operation not permitted
[02:38] <Guest63466> eth0: error while getting interface flags: No such device
[02:38] <wrl_> Guest63466: Oops... prepend "sudo "
[02:38] <Guest63466> reads that twice
[02:38] <Guest63466> ok
[02:38] <Guest63466> same error
[02:38] <Guest63466> with sudo
[02:39] <Guest63466> i think my internet is eth1
[02:39] <garcianc> does ifconfig -a show eth0?
[02:39] <Guest63466> that is what it has been reading
[02:39] <wrl_> Guest63466: Hummm, back in a second.
[02:39] <Guest63466> ifconfig says eth1
[02:40] <Somefellow> Hey there, does anybody know why "swapon" is throwing me this when I am logged into root? swapon: /swapfile: swapon failed: Operation not permitted
[02:40] <PinkSwing> lotuspsychje: For several weeks I have had an intermittent connection. Wifi would randomly disconnect or just suddenly be very slow: typically in the middle of some streaming media like a radio program. Today it's been excruciatingly slow, but changing to wicd seems at first sight to have speeded things up (at least, opening web pages seems to be faster for the last half hour since I installed wicd). So I would like to check that instal
[02:40] <mojtaba> Hi, I have a calendar in thudnerbird and it was working till last update of the ubuntu. Does anybody know what should I do? It is not working at the moment. Ubuntu 13.10
[02:41] <garcianc> Guest63466, try the command with eth1 and see if you get the same error
[02:41] <Guest63466> ok
[02:41] <mojtaba> I have lighting 2.6.1 and provider for google calendar 0.25
[02:41] <wrl_> Guest63466: OK try it with changing eth0 to eth1 (and don't forget the sudo like I did).
[02:41] <mojtaba> Also I have installed QuickFox Notes 2.8.1, but it is not working too!!
[02:41] <mojtaba> It seems ubuntu 13.10 is a total mess!
[02:42] <mojtaba> lots of problems.
[02:42] <Dr_Willis_> never heard of quickfox notes
[02:42] <IamTrying> http://i.imgur.com/Ac7xsvE.png  - Great this is what i mean working  PinkSwing, lotuspsychje , Dr_Willis_
[02:42] <Dr_Willis_> !info lighting
[02:42] <wrl_> mojtaba:  I see, I'm not alone!
[02:42] <Guest63466> ok wrl that worked
[02:42] <mojtaba> wrl_: Do you have the same problem?
[02:43] <Dr_Willis_> IamTrying:  i dont know what that image is supposed to be showing...
[02:43] <Guest63466> and gave and output of a bunch of text with the adresses we put in
[02:43] <wrl_> mojtaba: no, mine is that the unity dashboard is dead.
[02:43] <garcianc> does ifconfig show the interface eth1 up?
[02:43] <cipherboy> Question: ifconfig and conky cannot seem to detect the usage on my eth0 interface. Ideas? dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6309863/  ifconfig: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6309862/    | Ethernet controller: Qualcomm Atheros AR8161 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 08)
[02:43] <mojtaba> I will stick to the next LTS. :(
[02:44] <mojtaba> is 14.04 the next LTS?
[02:44] <wrl_> Guest63466: OK, you probably don't have a route or any nameservers set up... type "route" and see what you get.
[02:44] <PinkSwing> Saucy Salamander? Are they having a laugh?!
[02:44] <Dr_Willis_> PinkSwing:  we liked dapper drake better. ;)
[02:44] <Guest63466> route gave a bunch of blank fields
[02:44] <Dr_Willis_> a Duck with a Top hat is so much cooler.
[02:44] <DasEi1> Somefellow: tried it as root/sudo ?
[02:44] <Guest63466> like destination gateway genmask
[02:45] <mojtaba> Does anybody know what should I do?
[02:45] <mojtaba> :(
[02:45] <Somefellow> It was through root, and yeah nothing changes with sudo
[02:45] <DasEi1> !LTS
[02:45] <Somefellow> I tried googling it, apparently its an OpenVZ issue
[02:45] <mysterbubbles> How would I set an internal DVD drive to auto mount upon DVD insertion in Ubuntu Server (i.e. headless setup, without gnome)? -- Anyone have any ideas?
[02:45] <Dr_Willis_> !info autofs | mysterbubbles
[02:45]  * genii ponders the TrustyTahr
[02:45] <garcianc> Guest63466,  does ifconfig show an address for eth1?
[02:45] <Dr_Willis_> mysterbubbles:  dident you ask this about 3 hrs ago?
[02:46] <Guest63466> wrl route gave me a few blank fields
[02:46] <xmetal> mot, i think it is
[02:46] <DasEi1> mysterbubbles: you can set this in /etc/fstab
[02:46] <xmetal> (14.04 next LTS)
[02:46] <DasEi1> !fstab | mysterbubbles
[02:46] <LinuxGuy2020> I installed ubuntu-server and I have used wpa_supplicant and wpa_passphrase to get wifi working on my headless mini-itx server. I have minidlna running at boot but it throws an error and doesnt start. Im guessing that its starting before the wifi does. But its a complete guess. How can I fix this?
[02:46] <mysterbubbles> Dr_Willis_: sure did, it was recommended that i look at automount in repos, but i'm not sure what that means. Were you the one to recommend it?
[02:47] <PinkSwing> And what happens after we get to Xenophobic Xenurine, Yammering Yak, and Zealous Zebra? Do we go back to Arachnophobic Aardvark?
[02:47] <cipherboy> Also, running 3.11.0-12, 13.10.  I know it worked before this latest version of Ubuntu..
[02:47] <LinuxGuy2020> minidlna worked fine with the LAN hooked up. But I want to make this mini-itx server headless and wireless.
[02:47] <mysterbubbles> DasEi1: I did create an entry in fstab mounting /dev/dvd to /media/cdrom, but that isn't working for me.
[02:47] <Dr_Willis_> mysterbubbles:  theres most likely severaal services in the reositories that can do what yopu want.
[02:47] <Dr_Willis_> mysterbubbles:  'autofs' seems to be one of them
[02:47] <wrl_> Guest63466: try "sudo route add -net 127.0.0.0 netmask 255.0.0.0 dev lo"
[02:48] <Dr_Willis_> !info automount
[02:48] <mysterbubbles> Dr_Willis_: is autofs a better option than fstab?
[02:48] <LinuxGuy2020> The ftp, transmission, and samba daemons all start just fine. Minidlna is the only one giving me grief.
[02:49] <DasEi1> mysterbubbles: set it to auto with the corresponding permissions (and also the /media/cd.. -dir?)
[02:49] <PinkSwing> Dr_Willis_: I have a fondness for Hardy Heron since that's where I started in Linux. Another bird with a hat on, but this time a bowler!
[02:50] <mysterbubbles> DasEi1: this is what I have that isn't working now: "/dev/dvd /media/cdrom auto user,noauto,exec,utf8 0 0"
[02:50] <Dr_Willis_> mysterbubbles:  you wanted it to mount on insertion automatically.. fstab will not do that
[02:50] <Dr_Willis_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Autofs
[02:50] <mysterbubbles> Dr_Willis_: gotcha. I'll give that a try, thanks.
[02:51] <DasEi1> mysterbubbles: Run Nautilus and open Edit => Preferences > Media. Turn on "Browse media when inserted".
[02:51] <mysterbubbles> DasEi1: this is a headless server, no gui available
[02:51] <Guest63466> ok wrl trying now
[02:52] <Guest63466> command went through
[02:52] <wrl_> Guest63466: try "sudo route add default gw 192.168.0.1"
[02:53] <Guest63466> SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable
[02:54] <nullbyte_> why I don't have in right corner shutdown icons clock/date etc.. ?
[02:54] <nullbyte_> in Gnome
[02:54] <wrl_> Guest63466: Arg! That is your router ip address isn't it?
[02:54] <Guest63466> um in my browser i type 192.168.1.1
[02:54] <garcianc> that's not going to work so well if eth1 is in the 192.168.1 network
[02:55] <DasEi1> mysterbubbles: I'm also used to automount, which isn't there no more; pmount might be your friend, but I have to draw back, can't really say, as I haven't used it myself, sry
[02:55] <wrl_> Guest63466: Sorry, change the number I gave you to that one and try again.
[02:55] <Guest63466> to access my router command browser so it may be 192.168.1.1
[02:56] <Guest63466> ok trying now
[02:56] <Guest63466> same error :(
[02:56] <wrl_> Guest63466: What is the address we gave the interface?
[02:56] <garcianc> I was about to ask that for the 3rd time
[02:57] <Guest63466> um the first ip you gave?
[02:57] <wrl_> Guest63466: Yes
[02:57] <Guest63466> 225?
[02:57] <Zeek> wireless drivers support
[02:57] <garcianc> that's a problem, that is a broadcast address
[02:58] <Guest63466> was 196.168.1.225
[02:59] <garcianc> I would have used sudo ifconfig eth1 192.168.1.100 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.1.255
[03:00] <wrl_> Guest63466: ifconfig should show 192.168.1.100 as the address
[03:00] <Guest63466> says this after ifconfig
[03:00] <Guest63466> eth1 inte addr:192.168.1.100
[03:00] <Guest63466> bcast:192.168.1.255
[03:00] <wrl_> garcianc:  I left out the brodcast and netmask as they will default.
[03:01] <Guest63466> mask:255.255.255.0
[03:01] <wrl_> Guest63466: Type "ping -c5 localhost"
[03:01] <Guest63466> oing:unknown host localhost-
[03:02] <pogiako> hello
[03:02] <DasEi1> !hi
[03:02] <Guest63466> ping:unkown host localhost-
[03:02] <pogiako> how is 13.10 doing?
[03:02] <wrl_> Guest63466: Gads! type "ping -c5 127.0.0.0"
[03:03] <Dr_Willis_> Guest63466:  thers no - as far as i know in localhost
[03:03] <Guest63466> do you want to ping broadcast? then -b
[03:03] <Guest63466> type -b?
[03:04] <wrl_> Guest63466: No -c5, you want to go directly to the interface.
[03:04] <Guest63466> type -c5?
[03:05] <wrl_> Guest63466: that just a count so ping will quit after 5 pings.
[03:05] <wrl_> Guest63466: the command is "ping -c5 127.0.0.0"
[03:06] <wrl_> Guest63466: I'm sorry... 127.0.0.1
[03:06] <Guest63466> ok i typed that and it says do you want to ping broadcast then -b
[03:07] <Guest63466> oh
[03:07] <jakstar> Wifi not working in Ubuntu LTS 12.04
[03:07] <Guest63466> ok trying with the cahnge
[03:07] <wrl_> Guest63466: yeah, the last octet of 0 implies a broadcast
[03:07] <Guest63466> ok now it went
[03:07] <Guest63466> 5 packets transmitted
[03:07] <Guest63466> 5 recieved
[03:07] <jakstar> when I boot it says something not found and something else not found then it says go to http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers for instructions
[03:08] <wrl_> Guest63466: Great. Now try "ping -c5 192.168.1.100"
[03:08] <jakstar> i dont know what to do on that page
[03:08] <Guest63466> ok that went
[03:08] <Guest63466> 5 packets transmitted
[03:08] <jakstar> how do i find out what wireless card i have
[03:08] <pogiako> how is 13.10 doing guys?
[03:08] <wrl_> jakstar:  you need to determine what wireless device you have in your computer.
[03:09] <jakstar> how  do i find that?
[03:09] <jakstar> i ran this lspci -k
[03:09] <mamoit> Use hardinfo
[03:10] <jakstar> and it gave me this 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile PM965/GM965/GL960 Memory Controller Hub (rev 0c) 	Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Pavilion dv6700 	Kernel driver in use: agpgart-intel 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (primary) (rev 0c) 	Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device 30cc 	Kernel driver in use: i915 	Kernel modules: intelfb, i915 00
[03:10] <jakstar> what does it mean?
[03:10] <pogiako> tablet, like iPad
[03:10] <Guest63466> wrl that ping worked
[03:10] <pogiako> oh sorry wrong send haha
[03:11] <wrl_> Guest63466: I'm not so hopeful with this next one but lets try it anyway "ping -c5 8.8.8.8"
[03:11] <mamoit> @jakstar just run hardinfo
[03:12] <Guest63466> connect: network is unreachable
[03:12] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys how can i check if my ubuntu box is encrypted
[03:12] <Psil0Cybin> i remember there was a command
[03:12] <Psil0Cybin> i want to make sure my whole machine is encrypted and not just my home directory
[03:13] <jakstar> i checked in device manager and it says i have this driver installed broadcom 802.11b g
[03:13] <wrl_> Guest63466: Yeah, let me take a look at the route commands again to see if maybe I messed it up.  You have more than one machine on your LAN?
[03:13] <Guest63466> no
[03:13] <lanlingking> irc聊天的内容
[03:13] <Guest63466> just the 1 and everything else is wireless
[03:13] <wrl_> Guest63466: Its the same LAN though isn't it?
[03:15] <DasEi1> Psil0Cybin: youn simply look at sudo fdisk -l and see the partition-types
[03:15] <Guest63466> yes same router
[03:15] <DasEi1> Psil0Cybin: and oc /boot is always plain, on a LUKS-system
[03:15] <wrl_> Guest63466: What is the IP of the machine that you are using now?
[03:16] <Psil0Cybin> DasEi1: what would it look like if its encrypted?
[03:16] <Guest63466> 192.168.1.3
[03:16] <jakstar> can someone help me to determine what my wifi adapter is????
[03:16] <Psil0Cybin> can i post it on a pastebin?
[03:16] <Dr_Willis_> jakstar:  'lspci' and 'lsusb' should give a clue as its chipset.
[03:16] <wrl_> Guest63466: OK, remember that, I'll be right back.
[03:16] <DasEi1> Psil0Cybin: sec, I do a pastie
[03:16] <Guest63466> ok
[03:18] <Psil0Cybin> DasEi1: http://pastebin.com/9NZr02NL here is the paste, keep in mind i have a windows7 partition as well on this computer
[03:18] <Psil0Cybin> 40 something gb ubuntu install
[03:19] <Psil0Cybin> DasEi1: if it is not encrypted what can i do to encrypt my whole computer
[03:20] <wrl_> Guest63466: try "sudo route add -net 192.160.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0  eth0"
[03:20] <DasEi1> Psil0Cybin: looking now, similar to this (fake numbers in this example) http://pastebin.com/ASVBLguH
[03:20] <PinkSwing> I found how to check the log for Network Manager:        grep -i networkmanager /var/log/syslog            I tried the same for wicd:     grep -i wicd /var/log/syslog     but that doesnt show much of interest. You can see both at http://pastebin.com/Y9VRpUpL        Anyone know how I would check the log for wicd?
[03:20] <DasEi1> Psil0Cybin: Is the win on the same hd ?
[03:20] <Psil0Cybin> okay
[03:20] <Psil0Cybin> DasEi1: yes
[03:20] <Psil0Cybin> DasEi1: looking at what you stated it doesnt look like its encrypted
[03:20] <DasEi1> Psil0Cybin: using uefi or mbr boot ?
[03:21] <Psil0Cybin> i dont know
[03:21] <DasEi1> Psil0Cybin: which you installed first, win or ubuntu ?
[03:21] <Psil0Cybin> win
[03:21] <Psil0Cybin> win came with the machine
[03:21] <DasEi1> Psil0Cybin: newer motherboard ?
[03:21] <Psil0Cybin> im waiting till i want to format to remove it and do a full out xubuntu install
[03:22] <Psil0Cybin> um its an acer aspire one d270-1628
[03:22] <Psil0Cybin> i remember someone helpd me before with a command that encrypted it
[03:22] <Psil0Cybin> but that was on my other comp i forget the command
[03:25] <genii> DasEi1: I have that same Acer, it doesn't have UEFI
[03:26] <DasEi1> Psil0Cybin: see, the problem is the bootloader, UEFI also uses something similar to a /boot, and the initiation of the en/decryption-process always starts in Plain. If you want a dualboot with whole disk encryption 1.install win /w truecrypt 2.install xubuntu /w Luks  3./make the truecrypt loader handle over to xubuntu's grub, when wanted;; ah no uefi is ('lil) less complicated, but same food
[03:26] <Psil0Cybin> ohhhh so i have a problem because im dual booted?
[03:26] <Psil0Cybin> i am confused
[03:26] <Psil0Cybin> i just want to encrypt the ubuntu partition
[03:27] <Psil0Cybin> i was thinking of using gparted to remove the windows partition and make ubuntu larger, but people said its not recommended.
[03:27] <emperor> spanish
[03:27] <DasEi1> Psil0Cybin: just the ubu ? then 1.)win  (leave space on hd!) then xubu/grub, it will pic up the win to it's menu
[03:27] <DasEi1> !dualboot
[03:28] <emperor> #ubuntu-es
[03:28] <genii> emperor: /join #ubuntu-es
[03:28] <DasEi1> emperor  /j #ubuntu-es
[03:28] <Psil0Cybin> what DasEi1 sorry I am confused...sorry i remember there being a command that used cryptsomething not truecrypt but someting that comes with ubuntu
[03:28] <Psil0Cybin> to encrypt all my files
[03:28] <Psil0Cybin> i did it on my HP but it was only a Ubuntu laptop
[03:29] <emperor> genii DasEil  Thanks !!
[03:30] <DasEi1> Psil0Cybin: you COULD fully encrypt an existing ubuntu-installation, but that's painfull, better do a fresh install and use the installers options , so all that lvm-tuff is done for you
[03:30] <Nautilus> is www-data a user, a group, or maybe both?
[03:30] <DasEi1> stuff*
[03:30] <ubuntu-studio> helo
[03:30] <Dr_Willis_> Nautilus:  i think its both. its a special user.
[03:31] <DasEi1> Nautilus: try users and groups on it
[03:31] <genii> Nautilus: It's the user and group which webserver runs under
[03:31] <Psil0Cybin> DasEi1: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemHowto3 it suggests that you can mount using cryptsetup
[03:31] <genii> ( usually uid 33)
[03:32] <Psil0Cybin> i mean you can encrypt using cryptsetup
[03:32] <DasEi1> Psil0Cybin: you COULD fully encrypt an existing ubuntu-installation, but that's painfull, better do a fresh install and use the installers options , so all that lvm-stuff is done, else have to shavel around all your data, lot's of manual config... can't recommend it
[03:32] <Psil0Cybin> okay okay
[03:32] <Psil0Cybin> DasEi1: so thats what ill do sometime this week i suppose.
[03:33] <Nautilus> ok, thanks all, think I have it now
[03:33] <Psil0Cybin> becasue its a pain in the neck to reformat already
[03:33] <Psil0Cybin> i got everything customized the way i wanted.
[03:33] <EmpEroR> Good evening, I use Kubuntu 13.10, 32 bit Dual Core 4gb ddr2 ram Nvidia GT210 1gb ddr3 asus, but still can not get the effects enabled. I install the proprietary drivers, you need some special command???
[03:34] <DasEi1> Psil0Cybin: the installers are pretty friendly, see if there is an alternate version maybe, or use an expert install, if the regular installer isn't fine grained enough, netboot also a choice, if available
[03:34] <niel> for a minecraft server what type of server should it be?
[03:34] <niel> ubuntu server edition wants me to choose
[03:34] <Psil0Cybin> DasEi1: well if i use the default encryption method, will that just encrypt my home directory or the whole partition?
[03:34] <Psil0Cybin> i want to encrypt swap and everything
[03:35] <Psil0Cybin> or do i have to advance specify
[03:35] <guest_____> Question ---> I am in a forum.  When it says to comment a line in a certain text file, what does 'commenting' mean?
[03:35] <niel> anyone o.o
[03:35] <wilee-nilee> guest_____, context please=link
[03:36] <Dr_Willis_> guest_____:    #this is a comment - it starts with #
[03:37] <Dr_Willis_> guest_____:   echo hello  this is not commented....
[03:37] <Dr_Willis_> guest_____:  #echo this is a comment.. it will get ignored...
[03:37] <guest_____> wilee-nilee, what doe you mean by "context pelase=link"??
[03:37] <DasEi1> Psil0Cybin: all Parti's, but /boot by default
[03:37] <Dr_Willis_> guest_____:  what config file are you editing exactly?
[03:37] <wilee-nilee> hopefully, generally yes, we guess the forum is following the rules
[03:37] <DasEi1> huh, you could get the settings of /etc and a package list to use it back, but that has a good risk of trouble as packets changed, other window-makers are used and so on, packaelist is fine, so you can get all your setup back, thus still have to configure it again < the safer way   , Psil0Cybin
[03:38] <DasEi1> !clone
[03:38] <wilee-nilee> guest_____, Do you know the definition of context?
[03:38] <fraud> hey everyone, ok so there is a little desktop settings app in older versions of mint and ubuntu that allows you to view or not view different folders on the desktop without deleting or modifying them, like trash computer and home folders.  Does anyone know the name of this little app and if so it should be available on the ubuntu packages site, yes?
[03:38] <DasEi1> !pm | Psil0Cybin , please stay here
[03:38] <wilee-nilee> guest_____, In other words when where and how is the term used a link would help/
[03:39] <DasEi1> Psil0Cybin: so, say again ?
[03:39] <Psil0Cybin> orry confusedm going to reformat, but i want to keep my settings can i create an image of my install with my themes, settings, fonts, etc?
[03:39] <Psil0Cybin> so i can format and keep everything the same
[03:39] <Psil0Cybin> not my home files but the settings i changed etc
[03:40] <guest_____> Link --> http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=130309 Fifth paragraph down.
[03:40] <Rogue-3> Psil0Cybin: it seems relevent to ask why you are reformatting in the first place?
[03:40] <Psil0Cybin> in order to encrypt my whole computer Rogue-3
[03:40] <Psil0Cybin> like the whole ubuntu partition
[03:40] <DasEi1> Psil0Cybin: no, you can either just encrypt home, but thats another method than LUKS, whole disk is LUKS (cryptsetup)
[03:40] <fraud> does anyone know the name of the little app that can show or hide the computer/home/trash folders on the desktop?
[03:41] <Psil0Cybin> okay but i want whole disk
[03:41] <Psil0Cybin> encryption
[03:41] <Psil0Cybin> how would i dothat then?
[03:41] <guest_____> I am running Ubuntu 12.04 and trying to fix the cdrom tray ejection issue.
[03:41] <Rogue-3> Psil0Cybin: gotcha, well if you have extra storage somewhere you could just back up your entire filesystem and then restore it after reformatting
[03:41] <DasEi1> LUKS by installer, as told above, Psil0Cybin
[03:41] <Psil0Cybin> Oh okay so by DEFAULT it encrypts my whole disk
[03:41] <Psil0Cybin> right?
[03:41] <moppy> guest_____, dr wills was right; 'comment it' means put a '#' at the start of the line, so that the computer does NOT execute it
[03:42] <wilee-nilee> guest_____, If I read correctly post #8 it is a remove the #
[03:42] <Psil0Cybin> Rogue-3: how do i backup my whole filesystem so that i can keep all my themes and settings changes for all my apps, so it will be like i never formatted
[03:42] <wilee-nilee> rather than add it
[03:42] <Psil0Cybin> other then im missing files
[03:42] <Psil0Cybin> and applications
[03:42] <wilee-nilee> # is a block
[03:42] <Psil0Cybin> DasEi1: so by default it encrypts my whole disk? sorry wnat to confirm
[03:43] <DasEi1> Psil0Cybin: option whole disk-e with lvm in the installer you mussn't choose, as that'll kill win, set up an lvm > use as > and so on
[03:43] <wilee-nilee> guest_____, Actually it is # that line and change it to another sorry.
[03:43] <Rogue-3> Psil0Cybin: personally I'd use rsync but tar or even cp could produce the same end result
[03:44] <DasEi1> Rogue-3: ??
[03:44] <Rogue-3> DasEi1: talking about how to back up his existing system before reformatting the drive to enable the encryption
[03:45] <DasEi1> Psil0Cybin: after win being installed, you don't want whole disk for ubu, right ?
[03:45] <guest_____> Inside the rules.d file in my Ubuntu install, there is no #.  Should I add it then to tell the computer NOT to execute the line?
[03:45] <DasEi1> Rogue-3: ah , I see
[03:45] <DasEi1> still in setup :)
[03:46] <wilee-nilee> guest_____, That's what the link is saying, whether doing it is your decision, we have to assume it is correct.
[03:46] <guest_____> Wait, wrong file.  It is 60-cdrom_id.rules
[03:46] <Psil0Cybin> wait wait guys lets back up a minute, if im formatting yes i want to remove windows.. i want Ubuntu to be the only operating system and i want it fully encrypted so i cannot see a single thing with a liveCD
[03:46] <Psil0Cybin> how would i go about that
[03:46] <Psil0Cybin> i want to start with creating an image or backup of all my system info so i can keep all my themes and application settings
[03:47] <DasEi1> Psil0Cybin: righty, then use installers option whole... with lvm, all will be set so
[03:47] <Psil0Cybin> so that should be all in the GUI right DasEi1 ?
[03:47] <DasEi1> yupp
[03:47] <Psil0Cybin> or do i type in advanced commands
[03:47] <Psil0Cybin> okay
[03:47] <Psil0Cybin> perfect! :)
[03:47] <Psil0Cybin> okay now
[03:47] <Psil0Cybin> next question
[03:48] <Psil0Cybin> how can i create an image of my settings
[03:48] <wilee-nilee> guest_____, adding the # is what tells the computer not to execute.
[03:48] <Psil0Cybin> so i can reformat using all my themes/etc
[03:48] <Psil0Cybin> so i have my desktop back jut missing my files
[03:48] <Rogue-3> Psil0Cybin: do you have a network/external hdd you can back up to?
[03:48] <DasEi1> Psil0Cybin: to the settings all is said above, and to backup I either use rsync for my /home on a secondary drive, or, if 2nd drive is big enough clone it by dd
[03:49] <Psil0Cybin> my second drive is 500gbs its big enough
[03:49] <Psil0Cybin> oh wait
[03:49] <Psil0Cybin> i guess id need to boot from it right
[03:49] <Psil0Cybin> if i clone it how many gbs would it be?
[03:49] <Psil0Cybin> would it clone all my home files?
[03:49] <Dr_Willis_> Psil0Cybin:  use dd or clonezilla to image the entire hd would be one way
[03:49] <Psil0Cybin> clonezilla
[03:49] <Psil0Cybin> kk
[03:49] <Psil0Cybin> thats it
[03:49] <FloodBot1> Psil0Cybin: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:50] <Dr_Willis_> No idea how encrypted stuff affects those tools.
[03:50] <Psil0Cybin> nono encrypting after
[03:50] <Rogue-3> Psil0Cybin: you can clone pretty much everything on a linux system while it is up and running (though it helps to stop as many services as possible)
[03:50] <Psil0Cybin> using clonezilla to get my settings
[03:50] <Psil0Cybin> okay Rogue-3 thanks and wierd tho guys on my HP i was able to use cryptsetup to encrypt my partition without formatting :P thats why i was confused with all this
[03:50] <Psil0Cybin> i just forgot what i did
[03:51] <Psil0Cybin> i remember restarting and seeing a list of every single file
[03:51] <Psil0Cybin> being encrypted
[03:51] <DasEi1> Psil0Cybin: I'd just replicate the packages and have my /home (or if other data-dirs where created, them, too) and go by hand, else one should have some debugging skills handy
[03:51] <Psil0Cybin> someone here helped me do it >.<
[03:52] <DasEi1> Psil0Cybin: COULD, but hen you really do a footwalk on the highway... I'm not up to it
[03:52] <guest_____> I understand.  Thanks.
[03:52] <fraud> SOMEONE- there is a little app that allows you to show or hide your desktop folders (computer/home/trash). Does anyone know the name of it?
[03:52] <Psil0Cybin> DasEi1: there is no easy way eh?
[03:52] <DasEi1> !info cryptsetup
[03:52] <Psil0Cybin> i wish i remembered what i did
[03:53] <DasEi1> !lvm
[03:53] <DasEi1> !info rsync
[03:54] <DasEi1> !info gparted
[03:54] <DasEi1> shall I keep on ?
[03:54] <sophie_> If a filesystem isn't hierarchical, does it mean that you can't have a directory within a directory?
[03:55] <DasEi1> sophie_: yupp
[03:55] <Dr_Willis_> dateing back to C64 days? ;)
[03:55] <DasEi1> hehe
[03:55] <Psil0Cybin> alright DasEi1 i see its alot of work
[03:55] <Dr_Willis_> I recall  when the HD floppy drive came out for the C64/128 - it had a way to make directories. but it was sort of a gimmic. ;P
[03:55] <sophie_> So does that mean you'd have one set of folders with files in them, or does it mean you'd just have one long list of files?
[03:56] <Psil0Cybin> hmmm odd tho, i dont get it maybe it was easier before becasue i only had the partitions i needed for ubuntu
[03:56] <Dr_Willis_> sophie_:  one looooooooooooooooooong list.
[03:56] <Psil0Cybin> or what it was
[03:56] <sophie_> Dr_Willis_, that sounds like hell
[03:56] <Dr_Willis_> sophie_:  are you doing homework or somthing?
[03:56] <sophie_> I was just watching a video on filesystems
[03:56] <Dr_Willis_> sophie_:  in the C64 days  a  2mb floppy disk was amazeing...
[03:56] <Psil0Cybin> DasEi1: if i had only the partitions i needed for ubuntu would it be easier to encrypt my whole partition via the terminal?
[03:56] <Psil0Cybin> i just am confused how i did it before
[03:57] <DasEi1> Psil0Cybin: even I played around a lot, I'd use an expert cd, instead of shuffling and calculating and configurin and repartioning all that ...muharrr
[03:57] <Psil0Cybin> i remember just running one command, typing in a password and restarting the machine and as i did that it listed every file one by one
[03:57] <Psil0Cybin> stating it was being encrypted with cryptsetup
[03:57] <Psil0Cybin> yea eh
[03:58] <Psil0Cybin> DasEi1: so what is the best way to back up all my themes/icons/changes that i did to the file system like within the /etc/ folder
[03:58] <Psil0Cybin> so that i can make sure everything is the same after i format
[03:58] <Psil0Cybin> someone said clonezilla, but i dunno if thats user friendly
[03:58] <DasEi1> Psil0Cybin: prbly just /home  and enough free disk space
[03:59] <DasEi1> Psil0Cybin: see above, and scroll back, it's all said in my eyes; don't confuse myself, better have a second link to here when actually doing it
[04:00] <DasEi1> Psil0Cybin: err,  don't confuse yourself, I wanted to say (am I confused??)
[04:02] <Psil0Cybin> okay DasEi1 would it be possible to encrypt my home directory?
[04:02] <Psil0Cybin> so i dont have to format untill i am ready
[04:02] <fraud> how do you hide your desktop folders?
[04:02] <DasEi1> Psil0Cybin: get your data from both, win&ubu to an external, replicate your packages, do a fresh whd-installation any config by hand fitting new environment
[04:02] <Psil0Cybin> DasEi1: I remember doing it by creating a new homedirectory encrypting it, deleting old one, copying the encrypted one over
[04:03] <Psil0Cybin> ah lets take it back a step DasEi1 how can i see if my home directory is encrypted, if not, could you help me encrypt it?
[04:04] <DasEi1> Psil0Cybin: yesss....https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedHome , few ways to do it; got your fdisk -l pastie again ?
[04:05] <jackstar> how can i install a wifi driver firmware?
[04:05] <Dr_Willis_> if the whole disk is encrypted.. why have home encrypted?
[04:05] <Psil0Cybin> AH WALLA DasEi1
[04:05] <Psil0Cybin> this is the guide i used
[04:05] <Psil0Cybin> http://www.howtogeek.com/116032/
[04:05] <FloodBot1> Psil0Cybin: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:05] <Psil0Cybin> i encrypted my home directory last time, thats what happend
[04:05] <Dr_Willis_> jackstar:  you copy the files  to the right directory and the driver module loads them. the addational-driver tool normally handles all this
[04:06] <Dr_Willis_> ive seen way to many users sort of lock themselfs out of their own systems by useing encrypted homes and disks Psil0Cybin .
[04:06] <Dr_Willis_> Psil0Cybin:  so be sure to have Non encrypted backups somewhere.
[04:06] <Psil0Cybin> how does that happen Dr_Willis_
[04:06] <Psil0Cybin> usually
[04:06] <Psil0Cybin> so i can learn from mistakes
[04:07] <Dr_Willis_> Psil0Cybin:  no idea. I dont use encryption.
[04:07] <Dr_Willis_> #1 cause is they dont understand how encryption works..  is my guess.
[04:07] <Dr_Willis_> so they do somthing stupid.
[04:07] <Psil0Cybin> makes sense
[04:07] <Psil0Cybin> okay Dr_Willis_ is there a command i can run before i do this to see if my home directory is already encrypted
[04:07] <Psil0Cybin> fdisk would only tell me right?
[04:08] <wilee-nilee> something stupid, represented here, no way. ;)
[04:08] <DasEi1> Psil0Cybin: pastie ?
[04:09] <Psil0Cybin> DasEi1 Dr_Willis_ : Does this tell me if my home directory is encrypted
[04:09] <Psil0Cybin> http://pastebin.com/jXBRfZmy
[04:09] <wilee-nilee> I just tried to have gnome 3.8 running in 12.04 and messed up the whole install, I fixed it but still have no ubuntu-desktop, doh
[04:10] <wilee-nilee> I has the shell though
[04:11] <jackstar> [09:07] <jackstar> So this is what I have found out so far.. When I boot I get a prompt to install the correct driver firmware for b43 (broadcom) [09:08] <jackstar> I know that my wifi adapter is BCM4312 and it needs b43 driver firmware [09:08] <jackstar> how do i go about installing this driver firmware?
[04:12] <guest_____> I need help in figuring out why my cdrom/dvd will not eject when issuing said command in terminal.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6310122/
[04:12] <DasEi1> brb
[04:13] <Dr_Willis_> wilee-nilee:  ppa-purge the ppa you used for the gnome install. and reinstall ubuntu-desktop perhaps
[04:13] <Dr_Willis_> wilee-nilee:  i recall ages ago people always trying the 3.8 repos and breaking their 12.04 setups. :)
[04:13] <wilee-nilee> guest_____,  try eject /dev/sr0
[04:14] <Dr_Willis_> ive noticed that i dont get a link from /dev/dvd  to /dev/sr0 any more also.. not sure why thats going on
[04:14] <Dr_Willis_> it sure confuses a lot of apps.
[04:16] <guest_____> "Unable to find or open device"
[04:16] <DasEi> Psil0Cybin: any more questions ? another way : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EncryptedHomeFolder  or another, use a truecrypt container which automounts at startup | getting tired here, fetching coffe
[04:17] <wilee-nilee> Dr_Willis_, Heh, I did the deed and lost firefox as well, and did not follow my own preaching on processes in order and deleted the ppa's from the sources.list.d and then ran the ppa-purge on two ppa's, I have gnome 3.4 back no biggie and never use the ubuntu dektop anyway, had to install lubuntu in the process to get another desktop, this was kinda fun, lol. Oh and tried to reload a clonezilla image
[04:17] <wilee-nilee>  that was from a bigger partition and bricked 12.04 would not read and had to fsck it.
[04:17] <wilee-nilee> I'm such a noob
[04:18] <wilee-nilee> feels like a 12 step deceleration
[04:18] <SPEEDWAVE> HI TO ALL
[04:18] <Psil0Cybin> DasEi: i dont remember if i set this install to encrypt my home directory already from install can i confirm somehow via a command
[04:18] <Psil0Cybin> if my home directory is encrypted
[04:19] <DasEi> !info pastebinit
[04:19] <wilee-nilee> declaration*
[04:19] <Psil0Cybin> DasEi: it says Check with ls -A /home. There should be a .ecryptfs folder, if you have encryption of your home folder.
[04:19] <Vivekananda> hi everyone
[04:19] <Psil0Cybin> i see the .ecryptfs file there
[04:19] <Vivekananda> can I create a live usb with two oses ?
[04:19] <Psil0Cybin> does that make sense http://askubuntu.com/questions/146511/how-to-check-if-your-home-folder-and-swap-partition-are-encrypted-using-terminal
[04:19] <hedgehog35> Hi, beginner here and wondering if anyone has had success using PHP+Sqlite3 on ubuntu?  I can't get it to work and its driving me nuts
[04:20] <DasEi> Psil0Cybin: sudo apt-get install pastebinit && sudo fdisk -l > pastebinit ,then give the output here
[04:20] <wilee-nilee> Vivekananda, Full installs or ISO's yes, separate partitions for full installs
[04:20] <guest_____> I wish the eject command via terminal worked as intended.    :-(
[04:21] <Vivekananda> wilee-nilee: not full install I just need to create a live usb I can use to install two oses on a computer
[04:21] <Vivekananda> one is ubuntu the other win xp
[04:21] <Psil0Cybin> DasEi: do i need to install pastebinit, did the paste i provided u with not help?
[04:21] <Vivekananda> also when I use it format a system how do I choose a system to install ?
[04:21] <wilee-nilee> Vivekananda, The xp probably will not run that way for long, and I believe against the MS law, lol
[04:22] <DasEi> Psil0Cybin: just saw that it might not work by pastebinit, do a manual paste of the output then
[04:22] <wilee-nilee> if xp runs at all
[04:22] <wilee-nilee> Vivekananda, There is a W8 setup made top run from a usb.
[04:22] <wilee-nilee> to*
[04:23] <Psil0Cybin> DasEi: http://pastebin.com/jXBRfZmy  is the output of sudo fdisk -l
[04:23] <Vivekananda> wilee-nilee: if I just tried to install two ubuntu how would I do it ?
[04:24] <Vivekananda> how would I choose which one to "try" or " install " ?
[04:24] <wilee-nilee> Vivekananda, ISO's not full installs right with all of this?
[04:24] <rannger643>  testing
[04:24] <rannger643>  testing
[04:24] <rannger643>  testing
[04:24] <FloodBot1> rannger643: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:24] <DasEi> rannger: pong
[04:25] <rannger> ?
[04:25] <Vivekananda> wilee-nilee: I dont know the difference but I am trying to create a live cd that can be used to install the os on a computer or
[04:25] <Vivekananda> try it out from the usb if need be
[04:25] <Psil0Cybin> DasEi: did you see the output http://pastebin.com/jXBRfZmy ?
[04:25] <Vivekananda> live usb*
[04:26] <DasEi> Psil0Cybin:  	This paste has been removed!  have another try...
[04:27] <Psil0Cybin> DasEi: http://pastebin.com/YncxBbSJ
[04:27] <Psil0Cybin> askuubntu says you can check if its encrypted using ls -A /home can u confirm
[04:27] <Psil0Cybin> if this works?
[04:27] <wilee-nilee> Vivekananda, ISO would be for install, live is linux only, I use the multisystem app at pendrive linux for multiple iso's on a stick. XP is a whole other thing however, and really a waste of time to use anyway it is eol in less than 6 months, but it can be put on a usb for installs.
[04:28] <Dr_Willis_> I add iso files to my /boot/grml/  directory and the grml tools add entries to my grub menu to boot the iso files. ;) i can do a very fast reinstall that way.
[04:28] <wilee-nilee> Vivek, you would have to have a XP with sp3 to even have it update
[04:29] <DasEi> Psil0Cybin: this isn't the full output, but your swap is crypted, so I guess you drive WHD alrady... full output please ? (a clear cleans your terminal beforehand)
[04:29] <wilee-nilee> viva grml yeah, and grub iso boots
[04:30] <wilee-nilee> Vivekananda, you would have to have a XP with sp3 to even have it update. sorry Vivek
[04:30] <Vivekananda> wilee-nilee: I like xp as it needs less resources and also less space
[04:30] <Vivekananda> win7 needs more ram and is bloated kind of
[04:30] <Vivekananda> so I dont want it
[04:30] <default> I hardly ever play dvds but recently bought one and can't seem to get it past the encryption..  using 12.04 LTS, long ago installed ubuntu-retricted-extras and libdvdread4..  ran that script to installs css2...   no luck .  rebooted..  no luck.   any ideas?
[04:30] <wilee-nilee> Vivekananda, XP is a sieve for viri, rootkits and malware
[04:31] <wilee-nilee> and just about eol=end of life
[04:31] <Vivekananda> wilee-nilee: and you mean to say that win 7 is not ?
[04:31] <wilee-nilee> way less for sure
[04:31] <Psil0Cybin> kk
[04:31] <Vivekananda> wilee-nilee: I dont care much about eols and I did not wish to change
[04:32] <Vivekananda> even ubuntu last lts but only when apps stopped working that I had to. Although I like the new ubuntu but it also needs more ram
[04:32] <DasEi> Vivekananda: EOF /w XP is April 2014 ....
[04:32]  * wilee-nilee notes that Vivekananda " did not wish to change"
[04:32] <Psil0Cybin> DasEi: here is the output
[04:32] <Psil0Cybin> http://pastebin.com/wMhthdJs
[04:32] <Psil0Cybin> i cleared the screen and did sudo fdisk -l
[04:32] <Psil0Cybin> its the same result tho DasEi
[04:32] <wilee-nilee> nice helping you good luck.
[04:33] <DasEi> Psil0Cybin: sure, did you scroll the terminal ? then ONLY swap is crypted,   rofl
[04:33] <Vivekananda> wilee-nilee: did you get the last part of that ?  I meant that reinstalling a new os for kicks is not ever my wish. I would rather use and old and tested one and use it for my work
[04:36] <Vivekananda> or should I go with win 7 64 bit ?
[04:36] <Vivekananda> I dont want to do it
[04:36] <default> I hardly ever play dvds but recently bought one and can't seem to get it past the encryption..  using 12.04 LTS, long ago installed ubuntu-retricted-extras and libdvdread4..  ran that script to installs css2...   no luck playing dvd .  rebooted..  no luck again.   any ideas?
[04:36] <Vivekananda> it has compatibility issues
[04:37] <wilee-nilee> default, try installing vlc
[04:37] <wilee-nilee> and using it
[04:37] <DasEi> Vivekananda: maybe ask such in #windows  ?
[04:38] <DasEi> Psil0Cybin: any more questions ? another way : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EncryptedHomeFolder  or another, use a truecrypt container which automounts at startup
[04:39] <Psil0Cybin> DasEi: thats wierd u said only swap is encrypted
[04:39] <Psil0Cybin> so would it state if my home is encrypted via sudo fdisk -l?
[04:39] <Psil0Cybin> i am confused how only swap can be encrypted?
[04:41] <Dr_Willis_> default:  this is a just reelased dvd movie?
[04:42] <DasEi> Psil0Cybin: if that IS the whole fdisk -l, that's the fact
[04:42] <Psil0Cybin> okay
[04:42] <nerder> hello
[04:43] <Psil0Cybin> DasEi: so now i have a problem if my swap is encrypted but my home is not and i follow these directions
[04:43] <Psil0Cybin> http://www.howtogeek.com/116032/
[04:43] <DasEi> Psil0Cybin: you can encrypt anything but /boot by the LUKS way
[04:43] <Psil0Cybin> what do i do when it asks me to encrypt swap
[04:43] <Psil0Cybin> again
[04:43] <rick_deckard> greetings
[04:43] <DasEi> Psil0Cybin: do a fresh whole disk e, see above, all is fine
[04:43] <nerder> i'm using terminator, i made my own layout, and when i launch terminator works fine, but whem i split the windows the profile that it use is the default one
[04:44] <nerder> how can i configure terminator for using my profile first?
[04:44] <Psil0Cybin> what do u mean by this
 Psil0Cybin: do a fresh whole disk e, see above, all is fine
[04:44] <Psil0Cybin> whole disk e?
[04:44] <rick_deckard> how do I get rid of ubuntu one? I tried uninstalling it through the software center
[04:44] <Dr_Willis_> nerder:  well looking here.. you define what profile to use in the layout settings
[04:44] <c__> how do i check the md5sum of iso?
[04:45] <Dr_Willis_> !md5sum | c__
[04:45] <Psil0Cybin> DasEi: so what do i do if my swap is encrypted but i want to encrypt my home directory and it says to encrypt my swap
[04:46] <Psil0Cybin> do i encrypt it again or no
[04:46] <default> dr willis: nope.  I have two cd's one I recently bought that was released a couple years ago, and another that I have had for about 10 years and always worked fine before.  But last time I played a dvd was back when medibuntu existed.  I only just learned tonight that it is no longer
[04:46] <rick_deckard> how do I uninstall ubuntu one?
[04:46] <cfhowlett> rick_deckard, just don't use it?  no need to uninstall if you don't set it up/activate it.
[04:46] <DasEi> Psil0Cybin: do a fresh whole disk e, see above, all is fine
[04:46] <Dr_Willis_> default:  ive not needed medibintu to play dvd's in.. years ;)
[04:47] <Psil0Cybin> fresh whole disk e?
[04:47] <Dr_Willis_> default:  i have encountered new dvd movies that have some sort of 'enhanced' protection that are often impossible to read in a pc or older dvd player. :( without some effort/extra software
[04:47] <rick_deckard> cfhowlett, you have a very good point. I am annoid at the cloud in the panel tho
[04:47] <Psil0Cybin> DasEi: i ran sudo fdisk -l on my other machine that was also encrypted home directory via the INSTALL GUI, and it states the same thing only Swap is encrypted
[04:47] <Psil0Cybin> ...
[04:47] <rick_deckard> mocking me
[04:47] <Psil0Cybin> but i encrypted that one using the migreating home folder method
[04:48] <rick_deckard> the lil ubuntu one cloud mocks me
[04:48] <cfhowlett> rick_deckard, best response to mockery it to ignore it.
[04:48] <roscogruen> i just got a pm from natti about going to a url.  what is up?
[04:48] <nerder> Dr_Willis_, i dnt get it sorry
[04:49] <default> <Dr_Willis_:  it has been years...  ;/
[04:49] <cfhowlett> roscogruen, ask natti
[04:49] <Hempathy> Hi guys I'm looking for display help, cool to ask questions here?
[04:49] <Dr_Willis_> nerder:  never used the feature either. not sure what you mean really.. if you edit the default profile - it uses that one by default
[04:49] <DasEi> Psil0Cybin: might it be that you used private folder but not lux ?
[04:49] <nerder> i setted up my profile, but there's no option for keep as default
[04:49] <cfhowlett> Hempathy, yes.  as
[04:50] <cfhowlett> *ask*
[04:50] <Psil0Cybin> DasEi: i used the GUI from the install
[04:50] <Psil0Cybin> when i installed the system
[04:50] <Psil0Cybin> it asked me if i wnated to encrypt the home directory and i selected yes
[04:50] <nerder> Dr_Willis_, there's no way for change the default one?
[04:50] <Psil0Cybin> but ur telling me that only my swap is encrypted.
[04:50] <Dr_Willis_> nerder:  edit the one named default, or delete it.
[04:50] <Hempathy> Sweet, started using dual monitor with HDMI & 13.04 shuts down after ~5 mins or so, any ideas?
[04:50] <nerder> i mean which one is the default?
[04:51] <Dr_Willis_> nerder:  the one named 'default'
[04:51] <Dr_Willis_> which is the only one you cant delete. ;)
[04:51] <nerder> Dr_Willis_, ok got it ;) some confusion with "dafault" as a word and "default" as a name of profile ;)
[04:51] <nerder> thx ;)
[04:51] <Dr_Willis_> nerder:  now i have NO idea what 'layouts' do in terminator.
[04:52] <roscogruen> Dr_Willis_: do i type "!md5sum"
[04:52] <Dr_Willis_> nerder:  im guessing theres some terminator command line options to use difent layouts and profiles also
[04:52] <roscogruen> the commands in the links the bot gave me ain't workin'
[04:52] <Dr_Willis_> roscogruen:  you READ what the bot said when we activated the !md5sum bot trigger
[04:52] <Dr_Willis_> roscogruen:  what commands did you use exactly and whats the esact error message
[04:53] <roscogruen> ubuntu@ubuntu-desktop:~$ cd Downloads
[04:54] <Psil0Cybin> DasEi: i think ur wrong, i think its encrypted not just the swap. I ran a live CD and tried to access my home folder and it said Access Denied. but every other folder i can access
[04:54] <Hempathy> Am I ok repeating my question, don't wanna spam, but had no luck finding an answer?
[04:54] <Dr_Willis_> Psil0Cybin:  normal permissions will give you denied.
[04:54] <Psil0Cybin> anyone else know any other methods i can use to confirm my ome directory is infact encrypted
[04:54] <Dr_Willis_> Psil0Cybin:  access it as root.
[04:54] <Dr_Willis_> and look at the files in the directory
[04:54] <Psil0Cybin> so root into it?
[04:54] <cfhowlett> !patience|Hempathy,   understood and thank you.
[04:54] <roscogruen> k.  that was for winders
[04:54] <Psil0Cybin> like sudo cd folder?
[04:55] <roscogruen> no it wasn't.
[04:55] <Dr_Willis_> Psil0Cybin:  no.... sudo ls -l /path/to./the/dir
[04:55] <DasEi> Psil0Cybin: that also let's you choose on some discs; did you run the live as root ? I think it is all said and will only get more confusing now...
[04:55] <Hempathy> Thanks guys :)
[04:55] <DasEi> Hempathy: all half hour or so, sure
[04:56] <DasEi> Hempathy: sometimes re-phrasing helps, too
[04:56] <roscogruen> Dr_Willis_: i don't understand what is in the commands (ex:  downloads).  the file is "ubuntu.iso" on my desktop.  terminal is in home directory
[04:57] <Dr_Willis_> nerder:  you could make a launcher for terminator that runs 'terminator --profile=yourprofile'  or --layout=yourlayout   also
[04:57] <Dr_Willis_> roscogruen:  md5sum /path/to/the/ubuntu.iso
[04:57] <Hempathy> Chur, I don't use irc often enough to be aware of the etiquette
[04:57] <Dr_Willis_> and your desktop is /home/yourusername/Desktop/
[04:58] <Dr_Willis_> roscogruen:  so     md5sum /home/yourusername/Desktop/ubuntu.iso
[04:58] <Psil0Cybin> Dr_Willis_: so i think it worked
[04:58] <Psil0Cybin> i got this
[04:58] <Psil0Cybin> http://pastebin.com/fD8MAp5y
[04:58] <nerder> Dr_Willis_, yes is true but when you split the terminal in 2 the second one the you open in this way use "default" as profile and not yours, anywy i edit default a s mine and i fix it ;)
[04:58] <keith_> Greetings again solvers. Tonight we have the case of the disappearing desktop. Instead of a nice screen display and icons text in a font and color that's easy to read, I get a dark purple gradient and default black icon text. Just to make it interesting, sometimes a reboot brings things back the way they should be. Any thoughts?
[04:58] <Dr_Willis_> nerder:  you can change profiles on the fly  i noticed.
[04:59] <Psil0Cybin> does this make sense Dr_Willis_ http://pastebin.com/fD8MAp5y does this infact mean i cannot access it as root?
[04:59] <keith_> Should mention - running UbuntuStudio 12.04 in non-session mode
[05:00] <Dr_Willis_> Psil0Cybin:  looks encrypted to me
[05:00] <Dr_Willis_> read that readme file?
[05:00] <DasEi> Hempathy: never mind, people will tell you if you break it or-as you do-just ask :)
[05:00] <roscogruen> Where do i get the sm5sum to verify?
[05:01] <roscogruen> md5sum ^
[05:01] <DasEi> !md5 | roscogruen
[05:01] <Dr_Willis_> the ftp site you get the iso file from should have a md5sum file with all the sums for all the isos
[05:01] <cfhowlett> roscogruen, read this link ^^^
[05:01] <DasEi>  roscogruen ah, where ? you mean for the installer iso ?
[05:02] <roscogruen> where do i find the origjnal?  i located the one on my desktop.  now need to check it
[05:02] <Dr_Willis_> roscogruen:  the original what?
[05:02] <Dr_Willis_> !downloads
[05:02] <Dr_Willis_> !download
[05:03] <DasEi> roscogruen: it's provided by the d/l site, and then you a : md5sum blah.iso, get a string back and compare with the one from the site
[05:03] <Dr_Willis_> http://releases.ubuntu.com/13.10/MD5SUMS
[05:03] <DasEi> you do* a
[05:03] <Dr_Willis_> md5sum has some option to read the sum from the file also
[05:03] <DasEi> :)
[05:03] <roscogruen> Dr_Willis_: i got 12.04.03 desktop
[05:04] <Dr_Willis_> roscogruen:  so look for the md5sum file at the url above..
[05:04] <Dr_Willis_> under whatever 12.04 diretory exists
[05:04]  * DasEi leans back
[05:05] <Dr_Willis_> http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.04.3/MD5SUMS
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[05:06] <Hempathy> DasEi:  thanks again, although not sure I'm using correct irc comands either :)
[05:06] <Hempathy> Dr_Willis: Isn't that a console cheat for GTA 5
[05:07] <roscogruen> Dr_Willis_: It matches.  Thank you
[05:07] <DasEi> Hempathy: pm you ?
[05:07] <Psil0Cybin> Dr_Willis_: you said for me to read the txt what does it say it says in caps this directory has been unmounted to protect your data, from the graphical desktop click on Access your private data or run the command line ecryptfs-mount-private
[05:07] <DasEi> !pm
[05:08] <Psil0Cybin> so looks good to me
[05:08] <Psil0Cybin> i would run the command but i dont want to cause problems
[05:08] <Psil0Cybin> wtih that ome directory when i take out the live cd.
[05:10] <Psil0Cybin> ill run a live cd on my other laptop and run the same command to verify
[05:10] <Psil0Cybin> and ill also post on the forums i want to make sure just feel wierd that fdisk -l would say only my swap is encrypted
[05:15] <Dr_Willis_> the FILES IN your home directory are encrypted Psil0Cybin . not the partion where home is at.
[05:15] <Dr_Willis_> Psil0Cybin:  the swap partition is encrypted..  since there is no 'files' there
[05:16] <Dr_Willis_> you got some .encrypted-home-files   file in your home is how i think it works.. use ls -al to see
[05:16] <arquebus> Ive installed ubuntu and I cant get the wireless to stay connected, anyone know how I go about fixing this?
[05:18] <SPEEDWAVE> arquebus, go to device manager
[05:18] <arquebus> SPEEDWAVE: where would I find that
[05:19] <SPEEDWAVE> arquebus, at system setting,then additional drivers
[05:20] <arquebus> SPEEDWAVE: ok, Im in system settings, I see Device Actions, Network Settings, but no Additional Drivers
[05:21] <Dr_Willis_> or run -->  software-properties-gtk    the last tab.
[05:21] <Dr_Willis_> arquebus:  wht ubuntu relase was this?
[05:21] <arquebus> Dr_Willis_: Im actually using Kubuntu, but no one in #kubuntu is answering
[05:23] <john____1> ±
[05:23] <john____1> ²
[05:24] <Dr_Willis_> arquebus:  what version
[05:24] <arquebus> Dr_Willis_: 13, the current
[05:24] <Dr_Willis_> arquebus:  13.10 is the current latest relese.
[05:24] <Dr_Willis_> or run -->  software-properties-qt   -> the last tab
[05:25] <Dr_Willis_> for kde
[05:25] <Dr_Willis_> oops its
[05:25] <Dr_Willis_> or run -->  software-properties-kde
[05:25] <Dr_Willis_> ;)
[05:25] <arquebus> Dr_Willis_: ok, thats what I installed, the install went fine, the wireless connected for a moment, then disconnected, and I cant get it to reconnect at all]
[05:26] <Dr_Willis_> arquebus:  no idea. I only buy wifi dongles i know work with no isues out of the box. ;) they dont evenneed addational drivers
[05:27] <xmetal> last time i had wifi "issues" (i just needed proper drivers) and ubuntu was 9.10
[05:27] <arquebus> Dr_Willis_: just curious, do you use one of those USB wireless? if so, what brand?
[05:27] <xmetal> since then a few versions i have tried work "out of the box"
[05:27] <Dr_Willis_> its all about the chipset. ;)
[05:28] <Dr_Willis_> i got about 4 differnt dongles that work - just plug and play
[05:28] <Dr_Willis_> ranging in price from a Huge $17.99 to $9.99   ;)
[05:29] <Dr_Willis_> Bus 002 Device 005: ID 7392:7811 Edimax Technology Co., Ltd EW-7811Un 802.11n Wireless Adapter [Realtek RTL8188CUS]
[05:29] <Dr_Willis_> was $10  i think
[05:30] <arquebus> Dr_Willis_: ok, thx
[05:35] <BlackFlag> Good evening, gentlemen!
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> BlackFlag: hi mate
[05:36] <BlackFlag> How do I know the version of of my wireless card driver?
[05:37] <lotuspsychje> BlackFlag: lshw -C network
[05:37] <Dr_Willis_> it would depend on your kernel version i imagine
[05:37] <BlackFlag> kernel version is 3.2.6
[05:39] <BlackFlag> lshw shows me the number of kernel version
[05:39] <Dr_Willis_> sudo lshw -C network
[05:39] <Dr_Willis_> shows 'version : 06'  here ;) for one of my cards.. but i think thats the card version. not the module version
[05:40] <BlackFlag> "driverversion=3.2.6" =/
[05:41] <Hempathy_> Ubuntu shuts down on me using dual monitors.... help me irc you're my only hope!
[05:41] <BlackFlag> my card is a RTL 8191se
[05:41] <Dr_Willis_> sudo lshw -C network | grep driver
[05:41] <Dr_Willis_> there we go. ;) driver version = 3.11.0-12  ;) the same as my kernel
[05:42] <Hempathy_> that was my last me quitting due to unrequested shutdown!
[05:42] <Dr_Willis_> Hempathy_:  whats your video chipset and driver?
[05:43] <DasEi> ok, backon here, background
[05:43] <BlackFlag> I saw in the site that the latest driver has a different number: 2021.0.0203.2012
[05:44] <lacrem> hi there
[05:44] <Hempathy_> Dr_Willis:  help me answer your question :)
[05:44] <Dr_Willis_> Hempathy_:  lspci
[05:45] <Hempathy_> I appreciate your time and help on this
[05:45] <Dr_Willis_> i use nvidia here. dual monitors work fine - plug in 2nd monitor.. it turns on.. and works. ;P
[05:46] <Hempathy_> I so wish I'd gone nvidia and i7
[05:46] <BlackFlag> lspci don't shows me the driver
[05:46] <Hempathy_> but I've an AMD
[05:46] <lacrem> I have a small problem with Ubuntu, someone would like to help me?
[05:46] <lacrem> it's UEFI related...
[05:46] <Dr_Willis_> Hempathy_:  its not one of those dual gpu setups is it?
[05:47] <DasEi> Hempathy_: sudo apt-get install hwinfo && sudo hwinfo > hwinfo.txt && gedit hwinfo (for a detailed listing)
[05:47] <DasEi> !ask | lacrem
[05:49] <DasEi> lacrem ,more details ?
[05:49] <Hempathy_> Package 'hwinfo' has no installation candidate
[05:50] <Dr_Willis_> !info hwinfo
[05:50] <Dr_Willis_> !find hwinfo
[05:50] <Dr_Willis_> Hmm,,,
[05:50] <DasEi> ic, unity, no hwinfo, gnnnh
[05:50] <Dr_Willis_> i got hwinfo here
[05:51] <Dr_Willis_> not sure what package it came from
[05:51] <Dr_Willis_> !find /usr/sbin/hwinfo
[05:51] <Dr_Willis_> heh
[05:52] <Dr_Willis_> time to install apt-file ! ;P
[05:52] <lacrem> ok, I've been trying to install Ubuntu (and other distros) in my laptop (it's a Medion Erazer X6823, a gaming laptop made from an MSI GT60 base, I guess motherboard, graphic card and everything still comes from MSi). The point is the only distro is booting the live pendrive in this laptop is ArchLinux, Ubuntu starts booting, then stays in a blank screen, I can see the pendrive light like is reading but after 4 seconds stops. I
[05:52] <lacrem>  have tried everything, -nomodeset -lpsci believing it was by the nvidia optimus but is not because if I boot in legacy mode is working. Now I have installed Manjaro in legacy mode, because with Ubuntu after installing it in legacy mode it was not shutting down properly the computer, after shutting down and switching on again, or after rebooting the laptop was entering the bios setup ... I've search in ubuntu forums, I found s
[05:52] <lacrem> omeone with the same problem but was not solved....
[05:52] <zexcriz> is their any web based interface to manage kvm virtual machines ?
[05:53] <Dr_Willis_> lacrem:  so legacy mode worked.. it just dident power down  when you shutdown?
[05:53] <DasEi> Hempathy_: sudo apt-get install lshw-gtk && sudo lshw-gtk
[05:53] <DasEi> !info lshw-gtk
[05:54] <lacrem> yeah, it powers down but I don't know why when I start again the computer goes into the bios setup. It doesn't happens with Manjaro. Anyway I would like to install it in UEFI mode cos I need to have dual boot with W8. I got Arch working, but I like Unity (strange uh? haha)
[05:55] <Dr_Willis_> !info hwinfo
[05:55] <Dr_Willis_> now thats weird.. i got hwinfo here in saucy
[05:55] <Dr_Willis_> hwinfo - Hardware identification system
[05:56] <genii> Dr_Willis_: Here too
[05:57] <Dr_Willis_> lshw-gtk looks handy ;)
[05:58] <DasEi> Dr_willis:  use the show option to see the repo, I'm not on saucy now
[05:58] <DasEi> :)
[05:58] <Dr_Willis_> trying to use apt-file to find the package it came from. but i cant rember the syntax ;)
[05:58] <DasEi> some might have some gnomee-devicemanager, idk, fewothers around.. nvm
[06:00] <genii> Dr_Willis_: packages.ubuntu.com reports that for Raring it was package hwinfo. Also doesn't list it for Saucy though
[06:00] <Hempathy_> so now I have lshw... what can I share?
[06:00] <Dr_Willis_> this is a upgraded system.
[06:00] <Dr_Willis_> so perhaps its dead jim. ;)
[06:00] <Dr_Willis_> i forget why we wanted hwinfo/lshw now ;P
[06:01] <genii> !info hwinfo raring
[06:01] <Hempathy_> hahha somthing about my graphics device  driver
[06:01] <DasEi> Hempathy_, dr_willis : which graphic card on the dualhead HDMI ?
[06:02] <DasEi> genii: raring, great
[06:02] <genii> !info lshw saucy
[06:02] <genii> Hm.
[06:03] <DasEi> dr_williscould you do a apt-cache show hwinfo to see the repo ?
[06:03] <DasEi> dr_willis : could you do a apt-cache show hwinfo to see the repo ?
[06:04] <Dr_Willis_> apt-cache show hwinfo  | pastebinit
[06:04] <Dr_Willis_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6310468/
[06:04] <Dr_Willis_> i dont really see a repo listed
[06:05] <genii> DasEi: apt-cache search hwinfo  ..Results on Saucy: backupninja - lightweight, extensible meta-backup system    ..apt-cache policy hwinfo:  Candidate: (none)
[06:05] <DasEi> tschäh, looks like dead Jim then
[06:05] <Dr_Willis_> this is a 13.10 system ive upgraded like.. twice ;) i think
[06:06] <Dr_Willis_> Oh The Huge-Manatee!
[06:06] <Gallomimia_> argh. i've forgotten the new release name again ><
[06:06] <Hempathy_> Chur, isnatlling pastebinit
[06:06] <DasEi> Gallomimia_: lsb_release -a
[06:07] <Gallomimia_> oh there it is in my backscroll...
[06:07]  * genii sips and ponders Tahrs
[06:07] <Gallomimia_> dasei thanks for the tip tho
[06:07] <Gallomimia_> percentage of sites updated with installers pertaining to new release encountered so far: zero.
[06:10] <Oeslian> Hey has anyone here been able to get nvidia drivers working on laptops that have hybrid graphics?  I have integrated intel cpu graphics and an nvidia 480 in my HP laptop, I need to get nvidia drivers working but am not sure how
[06:15] <DasEi> !paste | Hempathy_
[06:16] <DasEi> !nvidia | Oeslian
[06:16] <DasEi> Oeslian: I gtg soon, but Dr_willis might have some help
[06:29] <Dr_Willis_> Oeslian:  look at the 'bumblebee' wiki pages/docs/guides and info on askubuntu.com and otehr sites. its needed for dual gpu machines
[06:29] <Mace268> is it risky to do a version upgrade?
[06:30] <Dr_Willis_> Mace268:  lots of people upgrade from one relase to the next with no issues..
[06:30] <Atrumx> no
[06:30] <Dr_Willis_> some people have lots of issues. ;)
[06:30] <Dr_Willis_> but this is a support channel. so we tend to see people that have issues more then people who have no issues. ;)
[06:30] <Dr_Willis_> I upgraded with no hassles.
[06:30] <Mace268> good point xD
[06:31] <cfhowlett> Dr_Willis_, most upgrade without issue - but when you DO get issues ... thus the clean install over upgrade recommendation
[06:31] <Mace268> to 13.10?
[06:31] <xmetal> true
[06:31] <Dr_Willis_> its often faster to clean install then upgrade several releases.
[06:32] <Oeslian> Dr_Willis_ thanks for the tips, i hav
[06:32] <Dr_Willis_> and if you got a lot of ppa's and other stuff enabled.. that can cause issues
[06:32] <xmetal> i dont upgrade "every release" but every few releases and i choose to do a clean install of the new versipn
[06:32] <Oeslian> i have been googling but have not found much info*
[06:32] <xmetal> and then upgrade the packages i want
[06:32] <xmetal> update/upgrade ... whatever
[06:32] <Dr_Willis_> I tend to beta test stuff.. so i install a lot of crud i never use for testing..
[06:33] <Dr_Willis_> so after i play with it a while. i tend to do a clean install a few weeks after release for each reelase
[06:33] <Mace268> thanks for the infos :)
[06:33] <TeeGhost> how to display Chinese in tty?
[06:35] <zexcriz> i want to open remotely my router configuration page in the terminal is that possible using text based browser if yes than which  ?
[06:35] <Dr_Willis_> zexcriz:  ive used lynx or links to get to my router web config page befor.
[06:35] <Dr_Willis_> it may or may not work well - depends on the router
[06:35] <TeeGhost> zexcriz: a text browser?lynx or w3m
[06:36] <deego> zexcriz: heh, I even "expected" it.  :)
[06:37] <zexcriz> cool :D
[06:38] <TeeGhost> w3m can display images
[06:38] <Dr_Willis_> i think links. or links2 can also.  but its been ages ;)
[06:39] <niel> so should I use java sun or java 7 for minecraft servers?
[06:39] <Dr_Willis_> niel:  whatever the minecraft docs reccomend. ;)
[06:39] <Dr_Willis_> and its no longer sun java.
[06:39] <niel> well everyone says something different
[06:40] <Dr_Willis_> flip a coin. and try one i guess
[06:40] <Dr_Willis_> !java
[06:40] <niel> and screw minecraft docs they are still deving on java 5
[06:40] <Dr_Willis_> the doc writers are to busy running from creepers
[06:41] <niel> lol
[06:41] <niel> and its not regular minecraft its heavily modded
[06:41] <Dr_Willis_> ive never played minecraft.  - did play Terreria on steam for a while. ;)
[06:41] <niel> you should
[06:41] <niel> deb taking a long time to install
[06:41] <Dr_Willis_> ill pass. ;) i got enough time wasters
[06:42] <niel> tried 10 different os's today
[06:42] <niel> only like 3 actually work with this graphics card
[06:42] <Dr_Willis_> hmm... steam is not working for me on 13.10
[06:42] <niel> works for me
[06:42] <niel> what flavour?
[06:43] <Dr_Willis_> 'could not connect to the steam network .. this could be die to a prolem with the internet connection or the steam network....'
[06:43] <Dr_Willis_> but its on this pc. ;)
[06:43] <Dr_Willis_> so internetz is working
[06:44] <Mace268> upgrade in progress, wish me luck xD
[06:44] <niel> Dr_Willis_, derp firewall?
[06:44] <Dr_Willis_> niel:  none here that  i have enabled.
[06:44] <Dr_Willis_> router is fairly open also
[06:45] <niel> weird
[06:45] <niel> regular ubuntu?
[06:45] <niel> works great on xubuntu
[06:46] <jack> just have the router forward _all_ ports
[06:46] <Dr_Willis_> sudo iptables --flush       so got no rules.
[06:46] <Dr_Willis_> same router as the windows box uses for its steam
[06:46] <jmgk> rhii
[06:46] <niel> steam blocked you ;)
[06:46] <jmgk> hii
[06:47] <Dr_Willis_> havent been on steam in months
[06:47] <niel> go try on the winderps box
[06:47] <Dr_Willis_> if i get steam started..  i proberly will start playing games.. and not be back for days. ;P
[06:48] <niel> mabye its broken on purpose
[06:48] <browndawg> What's a nice way of having apt-get install packages listed in a text file (one package per line)
[06:48] <niel> for the greater good
[06:48] <niel> browndawg, apt-get update the copy paste
[06:49] <Dr_Willis_> browndawg:  i just make a script that has lines of 'sudo apt-get install packagename package3name and so forth....
[06:49] <browndawg> :-|
[06:49] <Dr_Willis_> otherwise you have to use a script to read/install each package.
[06:49] <niel> debian is cool should run the server much faster
[06:49] <browndawg> Yeah that's what I have too right now, Dr_Willis_, but I thought it would be neat to be able to read it from a separate file to avoid cluttering the install script
[06:49] <niel> browndawg, and I want to be rich
[06:50] <Dr_Willis_> browndawg:  xargs  can do it i imagine
[06:50] <Dr_Willis_> cat file | xargs <some options>
[06:50] <browndawg> yes but xargs is going to spawn a new apt-get proc
[06:50] <browndawg> for every arg
[06:50] <browndawg> can I make it so it's done in one go?
[06:50] <energizer> Hi my sound settings are not sticking. In particular "play sound through".
[06:50] <browndawg> apt-get install <all packages read from file>
[06:50] <Dr_Willis_> if you got 100000 lines of packages.. that may cause issues
[06:51] <niel> naaa
[06:51] <browndawg> less than a 100
[06:51] <niel> ;)
[06:51] <Dr_Willis_> if theres just 10 lines.. you can merge them all onto one line
[06:51] <browndawg> but 100 packages clutter up the install script
[06:51] <Dr_Willis_> the bash buffer has a command line size limit
[06:51] <niel> I must stay awake to get this running!
[06:51] <niel> my eyes
[06:51] <browndawg> and my current vim setup hates more than 80 chars on a line :D
[06:51] <browndawg> so no neat way to do it I suppose. Thanks anyway.
[06:52] <browndawg> mmkay
[06:52] <Dr_Willis_> you can use that bash feature of line continuation
[06:53] <Dr_Willis_>  i forget the exact syntax.  \  at the end of a line or somthing
[06:53] <browndawg> yeah
[06:53] <Dr_Willis_> sudo apt-get install package1 \
[06:53] <Dr_Willis_> package2 \
[06:53] <Dr_Willis_> or somthing like that.
[06:53] <Dr_Willis_> that Might work.
[06:53] <browndawg> or just group packages in the installer by their purpose. Build stuff, games, UI
[06:54] <jean_> good morning, is someone good in coding in python?
[06:55] <Somefellow> Does anybody know what this means, E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[06:55] <Dr_Willis_> Somefellow:  do a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade to   have them upgrade
[06:56] <t38> browndawg: how about   sudo apt-get install $(cat files_to_install.txt) will work
[06:56] <Somefellow> I think aptitude fixed it
[06:56] <browndawg> t38: EXACTLY what I was looking for
[06:56] <browndawg> t38: Thanks man.
[06:57] <t38> np
[06:57] <jean_> someone to explain to me the logic behind def fct(s) : return s and 1 + fct(s[1:]) or 0
[06:57] <jean_> in python
[06:57] <Somefellow> Nah it didnt
[06:58] <Somefellow> Dr_Willis_, That command gives me 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[06:58] <browndawg> t38: It doesn't work in zsh for some reason. The array gets filled with $(x\ny\nz)
[06:58] <Dr_Willis_> Somefellow:  so whts the exact command that has teh issue
[06:58] <energizer> Any thoughts on how to get my sound settings to stick?
[06:59] <Dr_Willis_> energizer:  alsactrl store/restore perhaps
[06:59] <Somefellow> Dr_Willis_, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6310620/
[07:01] <t38> browndawg: I think you can do this in synaptic too.. File - Read Markings  and open your text file
[07:01] <Dr_Willis_> Somefellow:  whens the last time you did a 'sudo apt-get update' ?
[07:02] <Somefellow> Hm I'm pretty sure I did it today, I'll go through the usual update upgrade stuff and let you know what happens
[07:02] <browndawg> t38: Want to do it without user interference, trying to load it into an array like you said
[07:02] <browndawg> or screw it
[07:02] <unbuntu> Hello all
[07:04] <Somefellow> Dr_Willis_, No change
[07:04] <Dr_Willis_> Somefellow:  somthings weird. libc is a rather critical library
[07:05] <Somefellow> Any idea what I should do?
[07:05] <t38> browndawg: how about instead of $(cat files_to_install.txt) Use  $(< files_to_install.txt)
[07:05] <Dr_Willis_> but its not the libc thats the stoppage.. its the  g++ version that its having issues with it seems
[07:05] <Dr_Willis_> sudo apt-get -f    perhaps? thats the 'hope it works fix' i often see
[07:06] <Dr_Willis_> build-essential is a meta package. it pulls in other packages.  see ifyou can install libc6-dev by itself. same for g++
[07:06] <Dr_Willis_> !info libc-dev
[07:06] <Dr_Willis_> hmmm
[07:07] <Dr_Willis_> !info libc6-dev
[07:08] <Somefellow> Dr_Willis_,  libc6-dev : Depends: libc6 (= 2.15-0ubuntu10.5) but 2.15-0ubuntu10+openvz0 is to be installed
[07:08] <Dr_Willis_> openvz.. hmm. this is a normal ubuntu install? or on some virtual thing or vps?
[07:09] <Somefellow> It's a VPS yes
[07:09] <Somefellow> Should I reinstall the OS and see what happens?
[07:10] <Dr_Willis_> ive seen vps's twiddle with the packages - but no idea what would be best to try.
[07:10] <Somefellow> For a 1GB Ram server, would 32 bit or 64 bit be better?
[07:10] <Dr_Willis_> im not sure it matters on a vps.
[07:11] <Somefellow> I've just always defaulted to 64x
[07:11] <Dr_Willis_> i always use 64bit  on my hardware.
[07:11] <Dr_Willis_> ;)
[07:11] <energizer> Dr_Willis "store" to save and "restore" to recall? then set a script to run "restore" every time?
[07:11] <Somefellow> x86 is for weakings?
[07:11] <anoop> How to notify users crossing filesize limits specified by /et/security/limits.conf?
[07:12] <Dr_Willis_> energizer:  i recall the askubuntu.com site had details on doing it. ive never had to mess with the sound that way.
[07:13] <dfgas_> anyone deal with xbmc and using hard drives for you videos and such? i am trying to use a 2tb hard drive, connected to my router or straight up to ouya and i get 10mb transfer speeds. however my 8gb flash drive is super fast.  i am using samba
[07:13] <energizer> Dr_Willis_: aite thanks
[07:13] <dfgas_> not 10mb, but 1.0
[07:14] <anoop> edit /etc/security/limits.conf?
[07:14] <Somefellow> Dammit, fresh Ubuntu 12.04 still throws it
[07:16] <dfgas_> ughhhh wrong button, lol
[07:18] <Dr_Willis_> dfgas_:  xbmc can access upnp servers on the  server also. so samba is not required
[07:18] <dfgas_> Dr_Willis_, but i want to put videos on it
[07:18] <Dr_Willis_> could be the network is the bottle neck, or it might in fact be samba.
[07:18] <dfgas_> and stream over my network
[07:19] <Somefellow> W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.201 80]
[07:19] <Somefellow> Sigh...
[07:19] <tnk1> Can anyone help me get the twinview to work with the nvidia settings/ i updated to 12.10, and now the dual head setup I had isn't working - just showing duplicate screens in both
[07:19] <dfgas_> hmmm
[07:19] <Dr_Willis_> dfgas_:  err... what do you think a upnp server does.. ;)
[07:19] <Dr_Willis_> !natty
[07:19] <Dr_Willis_> !eol | Somefellow
[07:19] <Dr_Willis_> but that is weird.
[07:19] <Dr_Willis_> looking at the server here Somefellow .. lets see
[07:19] <dfgas_> Dr_Willis_, well problem is that even connected straight to my ouya and i get poor transfer speeds on my 2tb
[07:20] <Somefellow> Ok, so 12.04 is broken for me, and 11.04 doesnt work anymore
[07:20] <Somefellow> I'm enjoying today
[07:20] <Dr_Willis_> Somefellow:  its 404 here also
[07:20] <dfgas_> Dr_Willis_, but my 8gb gets awesome speeds
[07:20] <paulus68_1> Somefellow: you can enlighten your day by upgrading to th enew version :)
[07:20] <Dr_Willis_> theres no natty at all on that server Somefellow
[07:21] <Somefellow> Host only offers 12.04 and 11.04 D:
[07:21] <Dr_Willis_> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/
[07:21] <Dr_Willis_> wonder if theres an EOL-EOL server. ;)
[07:21] <Dr_Willis_> or some other archive.ubuntu.com servers
[07:21]  * Somefellow sighs
[07:21] <Somefellow> Maybe its time to give CentOS another go
[07:21] <Somefellow> After 3 years...
[07:21] <Dr_Willis_> weird that lucid is there.. but not natty
[07:28] <tnk1> Can anyone help me get the twinview to work with the nvidia settings/ i updated to 12.10, and now the dual head setup I had isn't working - just showing duplicate screens in both
[07:29] <Dr_Willis_> tnk1:  does nvidia-settings show you are using the nvidia drivers?
[07:29] <tnk1> 304.88
[07:29] <tnk1> Dr_Willis_: 304.88
[07:30] <tnk1> nv-control 1.28
[07:30] <Dr_Willis_> so the x server dispkay config in the ncidia-settings tool dosent show both monitors?
[07:30] <tnk1> it shows both. i select twinview and position left of primary screen. but the second (left) screen still shows the same as the primary (right) screen.
[07:31] <Dr_Willis_> tnk1:  you saved the settingg to the xorg.conf file?
[07:31] <tnk1>  it was working fine before I did the last dist-upgrade an hour ago
[07:31] <tnk1> it blacks and refreshes the screen, and it's nothing different, so why would i save a dysfunctional setting to xorg conf?
[07:32] <Dr_Willis_> because you may need to restart the x server to get it to read and use the setting
[07:32] <Dr_Willis_> if it fails.. you remove the xorg.conf
[07:32] <Dr_Willis_> ive rarely had 'apply' work properly. ive always saved to xorg.conf and restarted the x server
[07:33] <oeslian> Hey Dr_Willis_ I want to thank you for the tip to look up bumblebee it worked great
[07:33] <Dr_Willis_> if i dont have an xorg.conf and just plug in the 2nd monitor.. it gets auto-enabled here for me most of the time
[07:33] <Dr_Willis_> oeslian:  you are lucky it works ;) its very very much a work in progress.
[07:35] <tnk1> Dr_Willis_: what's the cli command to restart X?
[07:35] <Dr_Willis_> tnk1:  sudo service lightdm restart         from a console is what i normally use
[07:35] <oeslian> The main thing i wanted was to be able to work on my game, it compiled and ran great
[07:35] <tnk1> I'm not sure I'm using lightdm
[07:35] <Dr_Willis_> then use whatever dm you got. ;)
[07:36] <Dr_Willis_> lightdm is the default for ubuntu, lubuntu, xubuntu, and ubuntu-gnome...
[07:36] <Dr_Willis_> guess he was using lightdm...
[07:36] <Dr_Willis_> ;P
[07:37] <oeslian> haha
[07:37] <oeslian> I will stick around here see if I can help anyone else I guess
[07:38] <Dr_Willis_> bb in a bit.
[07:47] <Psil0Cybin> hey does anyone know how i can get a transparent menu fro the right click on xubuntu
[07:47] <Psil0Cybin> the right click menu
[07:48] <nullbyte_> why nouveau fails on ubunutu 13.10 it just works fine X and console i have set up a vide mode with video=1024x768@32 and console works OK, but after using the computer all fails console is not in full screen and X can't show nothing?!?
[07:49] <nullbyte_> like...
[07:49] <TeeGhost> how to display Chinese(utf8) in ubuntu tty?
[07:56] <ddaaaa> How can I set upload limit in Transmission?
[07:56] <helmut_> hi
[08:03] <Confused666> ,grty60,21
[08:05] <dw-> my keyboard has a couple keys that don't show up in xev... how do i use them?
[08:08] <dw-> nvm.. googling found something
[08:11] <Snyper> You guys have any idea how I can create a bootable windows 7 usb using ubuntu??
[08:13] <Snyper> anyone?
[08:13] <bela> Hy!
[08:13] <bela> can somebady help me
[08:14] <bela> ?
[08:15] <bela> ?
[08:16] <bela> where can i see what driver is not instaled on my pc?
[08:17] <bela> where can i see what driver is not instaled on my pc?
[08:18] <bela> where can i see what driver is not instaled on my pc?
[08:18] <bela> f this ubuntu i go to windows
[08:18] <nicklas_> What operating system are you running bela?
[08:19] <bela> olee
[08:19] <bela> ubuntu 13.10
[08:19] <Psil0Cybin> anyone use xubuntu i got a question everyones afk on ubuntu
[08:19] <bela> i think my video card is not properly instaled
[08:19] <Snyper> Okkkk
[08:20] <bela> on the resolution i get 800 maxim
[08:20] <Snyper> So, anyone knows of a software for ubuntu that can allow mo to create a bootable windows 7 on a usb?
[08:20] <bela> i am new sory
[08:21] <esing> Hi
[08:21] <bela> hy
[08:21] <abhi_> hey i need too knw hw to connect wifi over ubuntu
[08:21] <abhi_> 12.04
[08:21] <Snyper> okk i guess everyone's dead
[08:22] <nicklas_> nearly everyone
[08:22] <Snyper> xD
[08:22] <FreshPer> ....
[08:22] <xxx__> Hello all. I would like to ask you for help. I have a laptop Asus X550V(i5-3230, 4gb RAM, Nvidia 740M + Intel HD4000). I installed Ubuntu 13.10 alongisde Win8(preinstalled) and both systems are running without problems. However, I have problem with second graphic card(Nvidia 740M), as Ubuntu doesn't recognize it. I installed bumblebee with this tutorial https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bumblebee#Installation, but I still get error "Cannot acce
[08:22] <xxx__> I tried to do this: [ERROR]Cannot access secondary GPU - error: [XORG] (EE) No devices detected. you need to edit the /etc/bumblebee/xorg.conf.nvidia (or /etc/bumblebee/xorg.conf.nouveau if using the noveau driver) and specify the correct BusID by following the instructions therein.  but with lspci / VGA i get only info about Intel 4000, but no Nvidia.When I type only lspci, I get the line for Nvidia 740M,but after I edit the config f
[08:22] <nicklas_> at any rate im having a really shitty connection at the moment
[08:23] <bela> so nick can y help me
[08:23] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys a quick question with xubuntu : i found a problem when change the opicity setting in windows manager for the popup windowsnothing changes, i want to make my right click menu transparent all other windows are transparent but that one thing
[08:23] <Snyper> ok
[08:23] <esing> I switched to the proprietary ati graphic card drivers (fglrx) because with the radeon driver I have vertical tearings when playing videos. With flgrx the tearing is gone and the overall graphic looks better, but now I get occasionally segfaults when I maximize a window with a shortcut to the right or left side of the screen
[08:23] <Snyper>  /quit now
[08:23] <FreshPer> I have to say that this problem is one of the difficulties I met some mouth before...
[08:23] <esing> What do you recommend me to do
[08:23] <abhi_> pls help hw to configure my wifi pls
[08:24] <nicklas_> you guys having problems can always try "askubuntu.com"
[08:24] <nicklas_> http://askubuntu.com/
[08:25] <FreshPer> Not good at English....My lord...
[08:25] <abhi_> hey pls give me answers hw to configure mt wifi
[08:26] <abhi_> my wifi
[08:26] <nicklas_> what wifi card do you have?
[08:26] <abhi_> ralink
[08:26] <nicklas_> model?
[08:26] <abhi_> rt3290
[08:26] <nicklas_> ok wait i'll go search a little
[08:27] <abhi_> ok thankuu
[08:27] <abhi_> my laptop is HP PRO BOOK
[08:28] <abhi_> HP PRO BOOK 4440s
[08:28] <nicklas_> hey abhi, try this link, http://askubuntu.com/questions/253632/how-do-i-get-a-ralink-rt3290-wireless-card-working
[08:28] <nicklas_> i do not know about your problem but this seems to work for some
[08:29] <nb-ben> is this channel also for ubuntu for phones?
[08:29] <bela> i dont have my video card properly instaled
[08:29] <abhi_> BUT NICK i have doubts in tht tooo
[08:30] <nicklas_> what video card do you have bela?
[08:30] <bela> where can i see what is not instaled
[08:30] <bela> asus eax550hm512
[08:30] <bela> ist old
[08:31] <nicklas_> hey bela try this, https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/precise/jockey-gtk/
[08:32] <bela>  but if i have other softweres that are not instaled
[08:32] <bela> where can i see them
[08:32] <bela> like in my computer
[08:32] <abhi_> hey nick i need to chat u in some other way pls
[08:32] <leif_> hey when is next lts version of ubuntu
[08:33] <bela> when you go to coputer management
[08:33] <nicklas_> i think the additional drivers will let you see what is missing and install it bela
[08:34] <dw-> leif_: "This version is scheduled for release on 17 April 2014" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ubuntu_releases
[08:34] <leif_> cool thanks
[08:34] <bela> but whay dosent my videocard to
[08:34] <bela> istal
[08:35] <bela> ok and i have a program four funiture that i have used whith windows
[08:35] <nicklas_> i do not know. i've had similar problems with ubuntu 11.04
[08:35] <bela> i tryed to instaled and it dident worked
[08:35] <bela> sory my english not the best
[08:36] <xmetal> thats why they are labeled x.04 (April) or x.10 (October)
[08:36] <xmetal> as in the # of the month of the year
[08:36] <bela> ith ok that my resulution can not be more then 800x600?
[08:36] <bela> i dont like it i have big icons
[08:38] <esing> How can I see which catalyst version ubuntu's package fglx uses?
[08:38] <bela> nick sory
[08:38] <bela> what do i download 4 there
[08:38] <bela> i have already instaled ubuntu
[08:38] <esing> I checked http://packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/fglrx but I don't see any info about it there
[08:38] <Confused666> 33
[08:39] <bela> i have opened a chat room but  y are not there
[08:39] <bela> can y help me whit 2 tinks 4 now
[08:39] <nicklas_> hey bela, your video card is probably based on an AMD/ATI chip, in that case you could see this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[08:40] <bela> is there a program that runs windows softwers
[08:40] <dw-> bela: i googled the asus model you mentioned and it said it uses ati radeon x550
[08:40] <bela> ty ty
[08:40] <dw-> bela: http://google.com/search?q=ATI+Radeon+X550+ubuntu
[08:40] <dw-> maybe
[08:40] <nicklas_> yes there are programs to run windows software in ubuntu, search for Wine in the software center
[08:41] <bela> olee
[08:41] <bela> ty all
[08:41] <bela> i fount this app on youtube
[08:42] <bela> can you send me a link or youtube movie where can i learn more abiut ubuntu
[08:42] <nicklas_> ok wait,
[08:42] <bela> ty
[08:43] <abhi_> hey nick pls help abt my wifi condition i wnt get internet other wise do u hav any video
[08:43] <esing> Should I install the ati driver from ati's website with buildpkg? sh amd-catalyst-13.11-beta6-linux-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/saucy
[08:44] <nicklas_> hey bela i have a youtube link you kight like :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJVQoshMLkU
[08:44] <bela> if i have an older pc its ok tu run ubuntu ?i instaled on this to see how it works if i like it i whill instal it on my laptop
[08:44] <bela> ty
[08:44] <nicklas_> and abhi what wifi card was it again?
[08:45] <Guest52457> salve
[08:45] <abhi_> i alrey tried tht link but ia m getting some error
[08:45] <bela> i just writed down what was on it
[08:45] <abhi_> current i a, nw at windows operating system
[08:46] <abhi_> any video plssss
[08:46] <bela> ati radeon x550
[08:46] <nicklas_> hey abhi try this: http://linuxforums.org.uk/index.php?topic=10422.0
[08:46] <bela> its like dw sad
[08:47] <goganchic> hi2all
[08:47] <browndawg> what's a better way to check if the user is root than `if [ "$USER" == "root" ]
[08:47] <browndawg> ?
[08:47] <goganchic> can anybody tell me how can I watch my iTunes movies in ubuntu?
[08:47] <polo1982> salve !
[08:50] <Lord255> hi
[08:51] <racho> browndawg, if ["$UID" == 0]
[08:51] <Lord255> i have a file with mod time Oct 27 09:38, i want to change it to 25.oct 0000. checked touch's -m switch..  touch -t 2013102500000000 but its not working.
[08:51] <nicklas_> hey bela check the side chat
[08:52] <browndawg> thanks
[08:53] <Lord255>  use [[CC]YY]MMDDhhmm[.ss] instead of current time -> 20131025000000
[08:53] <abhi_> ok nick let me go and try it
[08:55] <Lord255> oh well. i see the seconds are not needed. :o
[09:03] <mfaroukg> how to edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf with the correct nvidia configuration.
[09:04] <mfaroukg> any expert in the xorg.conf here?
[09:05] <dixoncx> need help regarding setting up fastboot; device not recognised. quick google search shows adding udev rules: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=19446284&postcount=62 Can somebody explain this udev rule ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6311086/
[09:06] <SteveBell> hi, ubuntu 13.10 on a netbook here. somehow all window frames are black: http://cl.ly/image/0W2n3d1t2F2z
[09:06] <SteveBell> any ideas?
[09:11] <SteveBell> this becomes a real problem when the terminal is completely black: http://cl.ly/image/1w0Y1q1P2341
[09:11] <SteveBell> holds true for all windows e.g. thunderbird, sending mail info, update searches, you name it
[09:12] <Malachi> SteveBell: Did you change the theme? Install a new theme?
[09:13] <SteveBell> no I just updated from 12.04 then 12.10 13.04 and now 13.10. maybe during that update path sth broke?
[09:14] <dixoncx> anyone ?
[09:15] <szq> fuck
[09:15] <szq> fuckbo0ys
[09:15] <Malachi> SteveBell:  Try changing the theme and then changing it back to default theme
[09:18] <SteveBell> Malachi: like switching to Radiance and then back to Ambiance?
[09:18] <Malachi> SteveBell: Yes.
[09:19] <SteveBell> doesn't bring back the borders
[09:19] <bela> nick are y steel here?
[09:20] <SteveBell> fix released? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfwm4/+bug/495361
[09:21] <g105b> Hey, from a default install, what groups should the main user be associated with?
[09:22] <Malachi> SteveBell: Has it been like this since you upgraded? You probably have some old config files conflicting with the new version
[09:22] <bela> can sombady help me
[09:22] <SteveBell> Malachi: yes. since I first started 13.10 it has been like this
[09:22] <bela> a try to instal my video card
[09:22] <bela> found the driver
[09:22] <SteveBell> sounds reasonable. but now what? should I open a discussion on ask ubuntu?
[09:23] <bela> but i dont know how to use termina
[09:23] <bela> i opend the terminal click enter on driver and what do i do next?
[09:23] <Malachi> SteveBell: Look in Nautilus, show hidden files. Delete .themes .gnome etc
[09:23] <eg0x> hi people. how is it possible to add an entry in /etc/resolv.conf which isnt overwritten each time? iam using ubuntu 13.10
[09:25] <SteveBell> Malachi: could you explain in more detail? I don't find nautilus when doing a search
[09:26] <Malachi> SteveBell:  It's your file manager
[09:26] <eg0x> nvm, already found it. its /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base :)
[09:29] <SteveBell> ok, nice name if it doesn't show as such. shows as "Files". so, I said "show hidden files" but a search for .themes shows nothing… hm Malachi any idea?
[09:30] <Malachi> SteveBell:  OK, no problem. Is there some .gnome folders? Delete them.
[09:31] <T-RexXx> s
[09:31] <SteveBell> just now switched to search "all files". takes a while. will let this finish the search for .themes, then .gnome just a mom
[09:34] <Malachi> SteveBell: No need to do a search, really, there's not that many. To see hidden files, you can press "Ctrl+H" then list them alphabetically
[09:34] <bela> f linux
[09:34] <bela> windows is bether
[09:34] <bela> lose a lot of time
[09:35] <bela> search search search
[09:35] <bela> ask ask
[09:35] <bela> F
[09:37] <Night-hacks> how can i set grub 2 to load my older kernel version ?
[09:37] <Night-hacks> i'm currently on 3.2.0-39-generic
[09:37] <parckwart> YAAAAY UBUNTUUUUUUUUUU
[09:37] <Night-hacks> i want to load 3.2.0-38*
[09:37] <Malachi> parckwart: YAY!
[09:38] <Malachi> SteveBell: How you getting on Steve?
[09:38] <dixoncx> problem solved :) for reference: http://bernaerts.dyndns.org/android/267-ubuntu-root-nexus-4-phone
[09:38] <SteveBell> Malachi: I'm either doing something wrong, or nothing is found or search is taking ages. not sure which is the case ;)
[09:38] <parckwart> does someone of u know if the multitouch trackpad gestures are fixed in 13.10?
[09:38] <parckwart> in 13.04 they didnt work
[09:39] <Malachi> SteveBell: No need to search, just press Ctrl+H in Nautilus
[09:39] <SteveBell> aha… ok I find .gnome2
[09:40] <Malachi> OK, delete it
[09:40] <SteveBell> done. now restart?
[09:40] <Malachi> SteveBell:  There will be a .config folder, look inside there and if there are gtk folders, delete them
[09:41] <racho> Night-hacks, i suppose you want default boot into your older kernel?
[09:41] <fractal71> hello, does anyone know where to find binutils-gold in ubuntu 13.10 to run this simply opengl example: http://www.kiwwito.com/article/installing-opengl-glut-libraries-in-ubuntu ?
[09:41] <SteveBell> Malachi: I find gtk-2.0 and gtk-3.0 deleting both.
[09:42] <fractal71> I've got an error: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL
[09:42] <Malachi> SteveBell:  Good. Now no need to reboot, just log out and log in again
[09:44] <bela> can somebady help me
[09:45] <bela> whay my resolutin is 800x600??
[09:45] <bela> can i change it
[09:45] <Malachi> bela: Did you install graphics drivers?
[09:46] <bela> i downloaded something but i dont tink has worked
[09:46] <bela> i can not see what the terminal its saying but it writen whit red
[09:46] <bela> and disapers fast
[09:47] <Malachi> bela:  If you installed graphics drivers you need to restart the machine
[09:47] <bela> but its ok if that whas red?
[09:48] <bela> can y stay please here until i make a reboot
[09:48] <Malachi> bela: OK
[09:48] <bela> ty
[09:50] <Trudko_> Guys I have problem to increasing mouse wheel speed and from what I seen over internet it seems that it is problem.  did I miss something?
[09:51] <SteveBell> Malachi: folders gone, but problem remains the same so far
[09:51] <bela> hy
[09:52] <bela> Malachi are y here?
[09:52] <Malachi> SteveBell: OK. There are also files called .gtkrc which may be causing the issue. Can you delete them and log out and in again?
[09:52] <Malachi> bela: Yes
[09:52] <bela> dident worked
[09:52] <bela> radeon x550
[09:52] <Malachi> Are you using Ubuntu 13.10?
[09:53] <bela> yes
[09:53] <Maistux> Buenos dias
[09:53] <bela> i am new
[09:53] <bela> whay Bueno
[09:53] <bela> its mall
[09:53] <SteveBell> Malachi: on the top level I see .gtk-bookmarks, in config folder nothing. where would I find .gtkrc
[09:53] <bela> :)
[09:54] <Maistux> Help with 13.10
[09:54] <bela> ?
[09:54] <Malachi> SteveBell: These .gtkrc things are files, not folders and would be below the folders Nautilus
[09:55] <Malachi> bela: Search the hud for "Hardware Drivers" and install the graphics driver
[09:55] <SteveBell> Malachi: as I said. only find the file .gtk-bookmarks below the folders but no .gtkrc
[09:55] <bela> i have downloaded 4 asus but dosent work
[09:57] <racho> SteveBell, you may try to reset compiz and unity; in a terminal type: dconf reset -f /org/compiz
[09:57] <racho> SteveBell, after that: setsid unity
[09:57] <SteveBell> issue is, when I open terminal I don't see a thing
[09:58] <Malachi> SteveBell: OK. Is there a .gconf folder? Get rid of that
[09:59] <racho> SteveBell, what about right after logging in? can you get a working terminal window right after login or it is corrupted right away?
[09:59] <SteveBell> ok, removed that. logging out + in, no change. corrupted right away
[10:00] <SteveBell> can I use the UX term terminal instead?
[10:00] <SteveBell> that shows sth...
[10:00] <racho> yeah
[10:00] <Malachi> bela: Have you tried changing the resolution in display settings?
[10:01] <bela> yes
[10:01] <Malachi> SteveBell: It might be the window manager needs to be reinstalled, if you could reinstall Unity ort whatever it's called
[10:01] <bela> sory whas gogeling
[10:02] <SteveBell> so entering dconf reset -f /org/compiz and
[10:02] <SteveBell> setsip unity
[10:02] <racho> SteveBell, setsid not setsip
[10:02] <bela> i foun this but what to download 4 here
[10:02] <bela> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1045257
[10:02] <SteveBell> ups damn. too late. did I ruin anything? it did something..
[10:03] <racho> SteveBell, logout with gnome-session-quit from terminal and lets see if it has fixed it
[10:03] <bela> Malachi: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1045257
[10:04] <SteveBell> no sucess. hmm
[10:05] <Malachi> bela: Yes, Google search will help you better than me. Your graphics card works on Ubuntu
[10:05] <Malachi> bela: I'm not familiar with Radeon cards, sorry to say
[10:05] <racho> SteveBell, by any chance running a nvidia gpu?
[10:05] <bela> o
[10:05] <bela> is this linux so hard
[10:06] <bela> whare can which drivers are not instaled?
[10:07] <Malachi> bela:  Linux is easy to use,  but not all hardware is properly supported
[10:07] <SteveBell> GMA 3150 graphics GPU says http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/toshiba-mini-nb305-review/ (racho)
[10:07] <bela> Malachi: if i dont have any exe how do i intal it
[10:08] <bela> ?
[10:08] <bela> rhd_conntest_20080429_i386
[10:08] <mfaroukg> totem crashes
[10:08] <bela> no .run
[10:08] <SteveBell> bela this is not windows, you don't run exe files on ubuntu.
[10:09] <bela> :)
[10:09] <mfaroukg> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing?
[10:09] <SteveBell> racho Malachi http://www.notebookcheck.com/Intel-Graphics-Media-Accelerator-3150-GMA-3150.23262.0.html to be exact
[10:09] <bela> y but dosent have any extension
[10:09] <bela> 4 i downloaded somthing had .run
[10:10] <bela> i clicked proprietis and maydid executed like a program
[10:10] <Malachi> bela:  you need .deb . It works just like an exe
[10:11] <Strit> my .desktop file doesn't launch the program properly. I've set Terminal to true, but when I press the icon it opens terminal for a split second, and then closes down. Any idea how to fix that?
[10:11] <bela> yes but 4 where to download a driver 4 this card radeon x550
[10:11] <traubisoda> sziasztok
[10:12] <bela> seruz
[10:12] <Malachi> SteveBell: I don't know Steve, try to reinstall the Unity window manager, or whatever it's called. I don't even use Ubuntu these days.
[10:12] <Malachi> bela:  Well, there's all this information here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[10:12] <Malachi> bela:  Sorry, there;s a lot there
[10:13] <bela> Malachi, SteveBell : 4 where to download a driver 4 this card radeon x550?
[10:13] <Neurotoxin> hey how do I find out what kind of sound device Im using "alsa" or whatever??
[10:13] <bela> TY
[10:14] <Neurotoxin> how find..? ;(
[10:14] <racho> SteveBell, if you log in as a guest does it have the same problem?
[10:14] <Malachi> Neuro
[10:14] <kssmani> hi can any one help me to install libreoffice in ubuntu studio 12.04
[10:15] <traubisoda> on ubuntu 12.04 server, mails sent by php arrive very slow (5+ mins), any idea what could be the problem?
[10:15] <bela> Malachi:
[10:16] <Malachi> Neurotoxin: You can run lshw from the terminal
[10:16] <bela> i downloaded 4 ati but dosent works
[10:16] <Malachi> bela:  If you install a graphics driver, you need to reboot for it to work
[10:17] <bela> i made the restart before
[10:17] <bela> the driver whas not instaled
[10:18] <bela> te terminal did show a red text but i can not red it it whas fast
[10:19] <kssmani> hello can any one help me to install vlc player in ubuntu studio 12.04
[10:20] <racho> bela, what is your video card? can you rung 'lspci -v | grep VGA' in a terminal and show the output
[10:22] <bela> radeon x550
[10:22] <bela> please help me
[10:22] <kssmani> help me please
[10:23] <dakotawulfy>  kssmani what do u need help with
[10:23] <racho> bela, your ubuntu version?
[10:24] <ptex`> kssmani, have you tried apt-get install vlc?
[10:25] <kssmani> i will try apt-get install vlc
[10:26] <bela> racho: 13.10
[10:28] <bela> ?
[10:28] <racho> bela, you card is not supported by the amd binary drivers on 13.10
[10:28] <racho> it's considered legacy
[10:29] <racho> you should use the open source radeon driver
[10:29] <bela> i can not run aniting on terminal
[10:29] <bela> whay?
[10:30] <bela> i open the terminal try to write but i can"t
[10:30] <Strit> my .desktop file doesn't launch the program properly. I've set Terminal to true, but when I press the icon it opens terminal for a split second, and then closes down. Any idea how to fix that?
[10:31] <Mace268> make sure you have full paths in the command Strit. It sounds like it's erroring out
[10:31] <dakotawulfy>  Strit get the name of the command from the icon  cut and past in terminal and see what error you are getting
[10:32] <Strit> Mace268, the paths are full and the script works if I run it by it self.
[10:32] <Strit> dakotawulfy, name of the command? I'm launching a script I wrote myself. :)
[10:32] <bela> i open the terminal try to write but i can"t
[10:32] <traubisoda> I would like to send registration emails via php, but the mail() runs slow, and the emails arrive late. What should I do to get shorter delivery time?
[10:33] <dakotawulfy> well u know how to launch it in the treminal
[10:33] <Mace268> Strit, full paths in your script too?
[10:33] <dakotawulfy> strit did u make it executable
[10:34] <racho> bela, as i said your card is *NOT* supported by the fglrx in 13.10 so it won't work with the binary drivers you've installed
[10:34] <bela> so what can i do?
[10:34] <racho> bela, you should remove them and use the open source driver
[10:34] <bela> but when you tun the terminal you can write in it
[10:34] <Strit> dakotawulfy, it is executable. I've done the same with other .desktop files that work. This one just doesn't for some reason.
[10:35] <bela> what is open source?
[10:36] <racho> bela, as a start you can run this: sudo apt-get purge fgrlx* and then after it finishes reboot your machine
[10:36] <dakotawulfy>  Strit need to run in terminal to see what error you  have
[10:36] <dakotawulfy> that will give u and ideal where to find the problem
[10:36] <NetCatty> hi guys
[10:37] <Strit> dakotawulfy, and how to do that? The script works flawlessly if I run that in a script. And if I run the .desktop file I get a terminal for a split second before it closes.
[10:37] <Malachi> racho: Thanks for diagnosing the problem
[10:37] <bela> racho:where to run it?
[10:37] <bela> sory
[10:37] <racho> bela, in a terminal
[10:37] <Strit> Here's 2 .desktops. ONe that doesn't work, one that does: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6311449/
[10:37] <bela> i can write
[10:37] <bela> in the terminal
[10:38] <racho> bela, can or can't?
[10:38] <bela> this is what i am teling y
[10:38] <bela> no
[10:38] <bela> no write
[10:38] <bela> sory my englis not so good
[10:38] <Mrokii> Hello. Can somebody recommend a video editor where I don't have to create a project before simply trying to cut out a section of an avi? I tried Pitivi and OpenShot and couldn't even figure out how to select a section to cut it out. And Avidemux isn't available as a package for Ubuntu at the moment, as it seems.
[10:38] <Mace268> strit you can set terminal not to close when finished
[10:38] <racho> bela, go to a VT console. Ctrl + Alt + F3 for example and run the command there
[10:39] <Malachi> Strit: Is it the spaces in the Icon line?
[10:39] <gordonjcp> Mrokii: Openshot or KDEnlive
[10:39] <Mrokii> gordonjcp: As I said, I tried Openshot and couldn't figure out how to select a section to delete it.
[10:40] <Mace268> Strit, open terminal then go to edit > profile prefs then look under title and command and set "When command exits" to hold the terminal open. then you can see the output..
[10:40] <dakotawulfy> strit or any any one  has to have " " on it if it is wine stuff
[10:40] <dakotawulfy> Right
[10:41] <bela> y have to tel me how to exit to
[10:41] <bela> :))
[10:41] <NetCatty> when I've spotify and rhythmbox running at the same time, Rhyth. occupys the media keys and blocks spotify from using them. How do I set the priority for the player to use the media keys and how to switch between them?
[10:41] <bela> i hit ctr+alt+del and made me reboot
[10:41] <dakotawulfy>  Strit mkes it tricky if they are not in the right places
[10:42] <Strit> dakotawulfy, so, where do you suggest the "'s should be?
[10:42] <n0000bpleasehelp> hello.. can someone help me
[10:42] <bekks> !ask | n0000bpleasehelp
[10:42] <dakotawulfy> "Program Files (x86) /Battle.net/battlenet.ico"
[10:43] <Strit> Mace268, this is what I get in an open terminal: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6311471/
[10:43] <dakotawulfy> Try that
[10:43] <SteveBell> racho trying to log in as guest I clicked on the settings at the top right, then guest session results in the same problems
[10:43] <dakotawulfy>  in terminal just cut and past see if it works
[10:43] <dakotawulfy> sorry
[10:43] <sampeyre> hi, how can i find out if my desktop environment is Cinnamon or Mate?
[10:43] <dakotawulfy> for icon '
[10:44] <n0000bpleasehelp> okay, here is my problem : I've been messing with the splash screen in Ubuntu 12.04 LTS and had copied a new theme in the /lib/plymouth/theme/ folder. I want to revert back to old theme. How can I do it?
[10:44] <racho> SteveBell, then i suspect it may be a problem with your graphic adapter. afaik intel stuff usually runs marvelous on linux. maybe some compiz bug...
[10:44] <sampeyre> the two look very similar, i dont know how to tell the difference
[10:45] <traubisoda> What causes that, when I connect to my ubuntu server with ssh, if the connection is inactive for like 5 minutes, the connection frozes?
[10:45] <sampeyre> is there a command i can give from terminal that will tell me my desktop environment?
[10:45] <dakotawulfy> strits what happens when u run it in terminal   ?? /home/strit/battlenet.sh
[10:45] <NetCatty> Mace268: avidemux, cinelerra, flowblade, kino, kdenlive, open movie editor, Lives, co...
[10:45] <Mace268> huh?
[10:45] <Strit> dakotawulfy, as said, the script works fine with a ./battlenet.sh in terminal
[10:46] <n0000bpleasehelp> okay, here is my problem : I've been messing with the splash screen in Ubuntu 12.04 LTS and had copied a new theme in the /lib/plymouth/theme/ folder. I want to revert back to old theme. How can I do it?
[10:46] <sampeyre> somebody help me please
[10:47] <NetCatty> Mace268: wrong nick, I meant Mrokii
[10:47] <Strit> dakotawulfy, when I just run the Icon= line, it gives no errors, no output at all
[10:47] <Mace268> ah
[10:47] <dakotawulfy> strit   sorry what part not working when u make the icon for it to wor??
[10:48] <racho> traubisoda, look up ClientAliveInterval in your /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the server
[10:48] <dakotawulfy> strit give me the comand u have for the icon
[10:49] <dakotawulfy> strit  /home/strit/battlenet.sh
[10:49] <n0000bpleasehelp> how can I edit default.desktop symbolic link to point to another location?
[10:49] <racho> traubisoda, also SeverAliveInterval in your ssh_config
[10:50] <n0000bpleasehelp> how can I edit default.plymouth symbolic link to point to another location?
[10:50] <dakotawulfy> strits try that for the icon command
[10:51] <racho> n0000bpleasehelp, man ln
[10:52] <n0000bpleasehelp> thanks racho
[10:52] <Mace268> i don't think the command cares whether it has an icon defined or not
[10:52] <cretsiah> does lubuntu support wireless keyboards and mouse? and can using lubuntu12.10 get around the radeon and nvidea driver issues of 13.10?
[10:53] <traubisoda> racho thanks!
[10:53] <dakotawulfy> cretsiah most time yes just try the live cd and u know for sure
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[10:55] <sampeyre> CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO KNOW WHICH DESKTOP ENVIRONMENT I HAVE?
[10:55] <cretsiah> im downloading both after i tried kubuntu .... kubuntu just gave me a blank screen it was really odd
[10:56] <bela> racho: made it but whas noting to be delete
[10:56] <bela> unable to locate package
[10:56] <racho> bela, so you haven't installed any binary drivers then
[10:56] <Strit> dakotawulfy, command for an icon? You mean the line in the .desktop file right?
[10:56] <bela> yes
[10:57] <sampeyre> support here means ignoring users? dont get it
[10:57] <dakotawulfy> the command to execute
[10:58] <bela> racho: so how do i instal some driver f my card?
[10:58] <dakotawulfy> just  take that command past in terminal see if it works
[10:58] <sampeyre> well at least i got my last question answered.... bye all
[10:59] <dakotawulfy> Stirt sounds like it is not linked right
[10:59] <bela> aand whay can i not write in the terminal?
[10:59] <racho> sampeyre, what does cinnamon --version shows in a terminal
[10:59] <sampeyre> thanks, i dont know if i have cinnamon, that's what i want to find out
[11:00] <Strit> doing "sh /home/strit/battlenet.sh" in terminal works fine
[11:00] <racho> sampeyre, well run it. if you don't have cinnamon it will throw an error
[11:00] <sampeyre> it looks like either cinnamon or mate
[11:00] <dakotawulfy> strit try the full command and past in terminal  have for the command for under the icon  command to execute it to see if it works
[11:00] <sampeyre> how do i run it?
[11:00] <racho> open terminal and run: cinnamon --version
[11:01] <Strit> dakotawulfy, Oh, you mean the full path to the .desktop file in the command?
[11:01] <bela> ?
[11:01] <sampeyre> ok i get Cinnamon 1.6.7.... so it means i have it.... ok thank you ... thats all i wanted to know
[11:02] <bela> racho:so can i instal some drivers 4 my grafic card what is open source?
[11:03] <racho> bela, reboot you pc. the open source driver is in the kernel itself
[11:03] <dakotawulfy> strit not for  sure the file name  try it under that  like   /home/strit/the name of your script
[11:04] <dakotawulfy> strit sorry i mean the location
[11:05] <Strit> dakotawulfy, I saved the file at /home/strit/.local/share/applications/battle.net.desktop But the sh command cannot find that file.
[11:06] <bela> racho:i have restarted
[11:06] <bela> but my resolution is 800x600
[11:06] <dakotawulfy> strit right
[11:06] <dakotawulfy>  i see
[11:06] <bela> i tried adding aditional drivers but noting
[11:07] <bela> il go back to windows
[11:07] <dakotawulfy> strit Because its because u have to have quotes in the right places
[11:09] <bekks> bela: Which Ubuntu do you have, and which graphics card exactly do you have?
[11:09] <bela> 13.10
[11:09] <bela> radeon x550
[11:09] <bela> please help me
[11:09] <racho> bela, can you paste the output of xrandr -q
[11:09] <bekks> !radeon | bela
[11:09] <bela> how
[11:10] <dakotawulfy> strit  have a question for you or any one can help  why not put the script in  /usr/bin  the script battlenet.sh
[11:10] <Eduard_Munteanu> Hi. Is there a secure page that provides the archive key or its fingerprint?
[11:10] <racho> bela, run it in a terminal
[11:10] <bekks> !pastebin | bela
[11:10] <bela> but how do i use terminal ?i can not write in it
[11:11] <dakotawulfy> strit then make it executable
[11:11] <racho> bela, what do you mean can write in it?
[11:11] <dakotawulfy>  then all you have to do is  is for the command battlenet.sh
[11:12] <bela> i open terminal and when i hit the keyboard dosent do aniting
[11:12] <Strit> dakotawulfy, the script itself is in /home/strit and is executable. So there is no quotes in the line for the command. Only for the one to show the icon, because the icon is in a folder in wine.
[11:14] <bekks> bela: Can you write somewhere else, at all?
[11:14] <bela> here i can
[11:14] <dakotawulfy> strit right  so if u execute it from there it works right ??
[11:15] <bela> i can
[11:15] <bela> i have created new folder
[11:15] <bekks> bela: And where is "here"? Another computer you are at? Or the same computer where you cant write in terminal?
[11:15] <Strit> dakotawulfy, if I run "./battlenet.sh" from terminal while in home folder it works at it should.
[11:15] <bela> no
[11:15] <bela> same
[11:15] <Random832> how do I get the hibernate button back on 13.10
[11:16] <bela> i have instaled on a weker pc to see how it is linux
[11:16] <Random832> i already have the file that all the online instructions say to create and it doesn't work
[11:16] <bela> if i like it i put ubuntu on my laptop
[11:16] <bela> i am writing 4 my pc that has ubuntu instaled
[11:17] <dakotawulfy> strit not sure but it cant find it in path so it can link it under the icon command
[11:17] <bekks> bela: So you are using a live cd currently? Or did you already install Ubuntu?
[11:17] <bela> instaled
[11:17] <lucido> I'm looking for the ppa with the newest nvidia drivers, tried ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates but there is bo 13.10 section in that ppa, what's the alternative?
[11:17] <Eduard_Munteanu> Argh, Debian doesn't provide a Ubuntu keyring package either.
[11:17] <Strit> dakotawulfy, alright. Moving the icon and changing the path to the new one, which is without quotes, makes the icon appear. But still the same with the terminal when running the .desktop file.
[11:17] <dakotawulfy> strits
[11:17] <bela> bekks :
[11:17] <dakotawulfy> strit wait
[11:17] <bekks> bela: You just said that you'll install it if you like it. That implies that you havent installed it yet.
[11:18] <bela> yes i have
[11:18] <Strit> dakotawulfy, terminal says: subprocess ended with status 0.
[11:18] <bela> i did not run it 4 my cd
[11:18] <sasmit87> Hi all ....in my aptana editor Alt+ctrl+down to duplicate lines is not working
[11:18] <racho> bela, and you can type in chat but cannot type in terminal?
[11:18] <bela> i deleted everiting 4 my hdd
[11:18] <bela> yes
[11:18] <bela> i have a wirles keybord
[11:18] <bekks> bela: Please dont use number for words in here. It makes things hard to read.
[11:18] <bela> sory
[11:19] <dakotawulfy> strit  the script u what to run is battlenet.sh right??
[11:19] <bela> ty four all y help
[11:19] <Strit> dakotawulfy, yes.
[11:19] <sasmit87> .in my aptana editor Alt+ctrl+down to duplicate lines is not working. but its working in windows
[11:19] <bekks> sasmit87: Did you contact aptana already?
[11:20] <sasmit87> no..I think its ubuntu probleam
[11:20] <bekks> sasmit87: Because...?
[11:20] <sasmit87> here alt+ctrl+down is workspace switcher
[11:20] <sasmit87> I mean in ubuntu
[11:21] <dakotawulfy> strit u can take that script drop it in the /usr/bin make it a executable  then  all u have to do is rub the script name
[11:21] <bekks> sasmit87: Then you have to redefine one of those keybindings.
[11:21] <sasmit87> how??
[11:21] <bela> ?
[11:22] <Strit> dakotawulfy, but why isn't it working when my neverwinter.desktop is? :)
[11:22] <racho> Strit, can you paste your desktop file?
[11:23] <Strit> racho, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6311449/
[11:23] <lucido> Strit, are you trying to play nwn2?
[11:23] <Strit> lucido, no. Neverwinter online. :)
[11:23] <lucido> Strit, i couldn't get nwn2 to work, did you?
[11:23] <Strit> lucido, But that works fine. It's the Battle.net app that won't launch via .desktop file, but will using just the script.
[11:23] <lucido> I see
[11:24] <Strit> lucido, havent tried Nwn2 on linux. :)
[11:24] <dakotawulfy> strit maybe something in the script  paste them both maybe we can find it
[11:24] <bela> whay can i do whit my termina?
[11:25] <sasmit87> ya I did it....whhhhh :) :)
[11:26] <racho> Strit, could it be your battlenet.sh script needs something more from the current env?
[11:26] <racho> Strit, can please show the battlenet.sh
[11:27] <Strit> racho, the script works fine on it's own.
[11:27] <bela> racho:what can i do to instal some drivers 4 my souncard and to repair the terminal?
[11:27] <Strit> dakotawulfy, racho Here's the 2 scripts. Both works when running the script: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6311665/
[11:27] <racho> Strit, of course it will. but when runned from a .desktop file the env vars may get messed up
[11:28] <Strit> racho, didn't there was a difference to how it runs the scripts. Just thought it did the same as a "sh".
[11:30] <dakotawulfy> Strit so wich one works right the battle.net ??
[11:30] <bela> ?
[11:30] <Strit> dakotawulfy, neverwinter.sh works fine within the .desktop. battlenet.sh does not within .desktop.
[11:30] <dakotawulfy> ok
[11:30] <bela> good luck using linux
[11:31] <racho> Strit, why don't you sprinkle some echoes in between the steps and run it through the desktop file. let's see if runs till end...
[11:31] <bela> back to windows
[11:31] <dakotawulfy> strit make a back up of your battlenet  script
[11:31] <bekks> bela: good luck
[11:32] <dakotawulfy> strit change line
[11:32] <bela> ty
[11:33] <v> hey
[11:33] <v> does anyone know a 2D blue print making software?
[11:33] <dakotawulfy>  strit   try that in the line cd  /home/strit/.wine/drive_c/"Program Files (x86)/Battle.net"/
[11:33] <v> dont want something like blender
[11:34] <v> quite difficult to use
[11:34] <bekks> v: then use a cad program and not a rendering software
[11:34] <v> like?
[11:34] <Strit> racho, okay. It seems it stops right after the agent.exe --noauth bit.
[11:34] <dakotawulfy> strit think it some thing to do with the quotes
[11:35] <racho> Strit, so it does not run wine Battle.net.exe &
[11:35] <Strit> dakotawulfy, cd line change didn't do a difference.
[11:35] <Strit> racho, seems that way.
[11:36] <dakotawulfy> strist try this
[11:36] <dakotawulfy> sorry
[11:36] <dakotawulfy> strit
[11:36] <dakotawulfy>  in terminal
[11:36] <dakotawulfy> cd  then cut and paste
[11:36] <racho> Strit, what happens when you run the agent.exe line in a terminal on its own
[11:36] <dakotawulfy> /home/strit/.wine/drive_c/Program Files (x86)/Battle.net/
[11:36] <racho> does it err
[11:37] <dakotawulfy> strit then enter
[11:37] <dakotawulfy> strit  see if it finds it
[11:38] <Strit> racho, it starts up agent.exe in wine.
[11:39] <Strit> dakotawulfy, didn't find it then.
[11:39] <racho> Strit, hmm... try slapping a '&' on the line so you fork it in the background and the run again the desktop file
[11:39] <dakotawulfy> strit see not finding the dir
[11:39] <SteveBell> racho seems this is not too seldom: http://askubuntu.com/questions/360598/13-10-black-borders-black-terminal
[11:40] <v> can anyone tell me
[11:40] <v> ??
[11:40] <v> a 2D cad softare
[11:40] <v> for linux
[11:40] <dakotawulfy> the quotes are not right some were wine is hard to make links right quotes have to be right
[11:41] <Strit> racho, says no process found: agent.exe. So now it's not even starting that up.
[11:41] <Strit> racho, or that's to the killall command at the end.
[11:42] <dakotawulfy>  Strit have u try to make a link of that file  move the link to the desktop then u should be able to change icon and stuff try that
[11:42] <Eduard_Munteanu> v: qcad?
[11:42] <dakotawulfy> strit to the battle net sh
[11:43] <v> ty
[11:43] <Eduard_Munteanu> v: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QCad   there's more at the bottom
[11:45] <Strit> dakotawulfy, didn't work.
[11:45] <v> thanks <Eduard_Munteanu>
[11:45] <dakotawulfy> hole on let me see
[11:45] <dakotawulfy> strit  hold on
[11:47] <dakotawulfy> strit
[11:48] <dakotawulfy> strit try this  cd  /home/strit/.wine/drive_c/"Program Files (x86)"/Battle.net/
[11:48] <bingo> hello. in session and startup, what does display chooser on login do?
[11:49] <bekks> bingo: Do you mean "display manager"?
[11:49] <bingo> no, this is for xfce
[11:49] <bingo> if tht matters
[11:50] <bekks> bingo: In the display manager, you enter your credentials to log in...
[11:50] <bingo> bekks, ty
[11:50] <Strit> dakotawulfy, the same
[11:50] <dakotawulfy> ok
[11:52] <dakotawulfy> strit  go to your file browser and give me the dir it says ok
[11:52] <dakotawulfy> strit think i got it
[11:53] <Strit> I'm in the dir /home/strit/.wine/drive_c/Program Files (x64)/Battle.net/ now.
[11:53] <dakotawulfy> stirt cd  /home/strit/.wine/drive_c/"Program Files (x86)"/"Battle.net"/
[11:53] <dakotawulfy>  try that\
[11:54] <Strit> dakotawulfy, nope, still the same outcome. :)
[11:54] <SteveBell> racho this indeed fixed the problem with the black terminal and black borders in 13.10 for me :) http://askubuntu.com/questions/360598/13-10-black-borders-black-terminal
[11:54] <SteveBell> just FYI
[11:55] <racho> SteveBell, glad it did but it seems unnatural to installing Mir just to work around that
[11:55] <Eduard_Munteanu> Is there no archive key (fingerprint) provided securely? I was going to debootstrap and get the keys to check ISOs, but even that's impossible without the archive key.
[11:56] <Strit> dakotawulfy, Ran it with cd command in terminal, says it doesn't exist. (with the quotes)
[11:56] <dakotawulfy> qout arent right
[11:56] <bekks> Eduard_Munteanu: You dont need any archive keys to run md5sum on the ISO and compare it with the md5 sum from the website.
[11:56] <SteveBell> unnatural or not, I'm glad I can now work again ;) racho
[11:56] <dakotawulfy> quotes arent right
[11:57] <dakotawulfy> strit  not finding the dir
[11:58] <Eduard_Munteanu> bekks: yeah, that works, but I wanted to check stronger hashes. Well, assuming the PGP signature digest algo is stronger than MD5. :)
[12:00] <Eduard_Munteanu> They should really post fingerprints on a protected wiki page.
[12:00] <Strit> Well, it does start up the agent.exe one, but does not launch battle.net.exe
[12:01] <OerHeks> Eduard_Munteanu, the md5 hashes are on a protected page > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes
[12:02] <dakotawulfy> Strit  look at that does that help??
[12:02] <Eduard_Munteanu> OerHeks: yeah, I know, that's what I meant by protected page
[12:02] <agronholm> hi, can someone point out to me how to install the latest coffeescript on ubuntu 13.10?
[12:03] <Eduard_Munteanu> But the GPG keys aren't verifiable in any way AFAIK, unless you already run Ubuntu. Even Debian doesn't have a keyring package for it. :(
[12:03] <dakotawulfy> strit thats what u need
[12:03] <racho> Strit, i suspect because your cwd is not where you think it is. give the absolute path to battle.net.exe
[12:04] <MonkeyDust> agronholm  it's in the repos, use apt-get or the software manager to install it
[12:04] <agronholm> MonkeyDust: nope, that gives me coffeescript 1.4.0
[12:04] <agronholm> not the latest (1.6.3)
[12:04] <agronholm> 1.4.0 does not support source maps
[12:04] <MonkeyDust> agronholm  then you need a ppa or external .deb, but that's not supprted here
[12:04] <agronholm> is there one?
[12:05] <agronholm> a ppa or external .deb?
[12:05] <Strit> dakotawulfy, did not help. :)
[12:05] <agronholm> I tried installing it via npm but that didn't work out -- it wasn't finding the "node" command
[12:05] <Strit> racho, path to it is: /home/strit/.wine/drive_c/Program Files (x86)/Battle.net/battle.net.exe
[12:06] <dakotawulfy> strit go to terminal see if it find the dir
[12:06] <dakotawulfy> like i did
[12:06] <racho> agronholm, because the guys at ubuntu named it nodejs
[12:07] <racho> you can install it via npm and at the bin directory of coffeescript change the executable from /usr/env/node to /usr/env/nodjs
[12:07] <Strit> dakotawulfy, it can. Just cd'd into it using quotes for "Program Files (x86)" and "Battle.net".
[12:07] <racho> agronholm, or make a symlink from /bin/nodejs to /bin/node
[12:08] <dakotawulfy> strit ok now in the script change your line to it that  and save it
[12:09] <Strit> dakotawulfy, done. Still doesn't work. :(
[12:09] <dakotawulfy> ok
[12:09] <jrtappers> Is there a way to allow "Play to" on tablets to play music on ubuntu, WMP has an allow remote control option that does this
[12:10] <dakotawulfy> strit  see if script still works
[12:10] <dakotawulfy> in terminal
[12:10] <agronholm> racho: ok that worked, thanks
[12:10] <Strit> dakotawulfy, it works when I do ./battlenet.sh from home dir. :)
[12:10] <racho> agronholm, you're welcome
[12:11] <dakotawulfy> ok
[12:12] <dakotawulfy> strit  no try under icon  for the command  /home/strit/.wine/drive_c/"Program Files (x86)"/"Battle.net"/
[12:13] <dakotawulfy> strit wait messed up
[12:13] <Strit> dakotawulfy, the icon works fine with my .desktop file now, after I moved it to /home/strit/.icons/
[12:13] <dakotawulfy> so is it working ???
[12:13] <Strit> dakotawulfy, yes, the icon is showing fine for the .desktop file. But the script it should run doesn't run. :)
[12:14] <Guil> Guys, you know if I want to boot Ubuntu from my USB and only want to try it (using the trial feature) will that make any modifications to my PC at all?
[12:14] <Guil> Or will it just allow me to try the OS without any alterations?
[12:14] <dakotawulfy> ok imeant the command for the icon
[12:14] <jrtappers> Guil, That should make no changes
[12:14] <dakotawulfy>  to ecute
[12:14] <dakotawulfy>  execute
[12:14] <Strit> dakotawulfy, you mean a command to execute the .desktop file?
[12:14] <dakotawulfy>  not the path for the icon
[12:14] <Guil> jrtappers and to finish using the trial is it just as simple as restarting the PC without the USB in?
[12:14] <dakotawulfy> strit
[12:15] <Guil> And then everything is back to normal?
[12:15] <jrtappers> Guil, Yes, if it is a live CD
[12:15] <dakotawulfy>  i dont like .desktop files
[12:15] <jrtappers> *Live USB
[12:15] <dakotawulfy>  i make all my scripts and put them into /usr/bin
[12:15] <Strit> dakotawulfy, well, that's what I'm using.
[12:16] <fishcooker> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6311906/
[12:16] <Strit> dakotawulfy, I like having icons to press in my Unity bar for easy acces, instead of running commands from terminal all the time. :)
[12:16] <dakotawulfy> strit  i think it harder
[12:16] <fishcooker> what is the meaning of "S1"
[12:16] <Strit> dakotawulfy, It's only been harder with Battle.net. The others worl flawlessly.
[12:16] <MonkeyDust> fishcooker  sl means sleep
[12:16] <dakotawulfy> yea can see i kinda little out of date u dont use unity
[12:17] <dakotawulfy>  dont like it
[12:17] <jrtappers> Any ideas for DNLA play to?
[12:17] <dakotawulfy> ok
[12:17] <fishcooker> it means dont those transmissioncli is not active, MonkeyDust
[12:17] <fishcooker> ?
[12:18] <dakotawulfy>  strit let try something still not working right ??
[12:20] <Guil> When trying to put the ISO on to my USB to make it bootable, which version of Ubuntu 12.04 should I choose? I'm not sure which differentiates each of them, I just know it was 12.04 LTS that I DL'd from the  website
[12:20] <Guil> http://gyazo.com/f7c127206b8025b0fdfa30889f4a357f
[12:21] <MonkeyDust> Guil  http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[12:21] <OerHeks> Guil,  take the 12.04.3 > http://releases.ubuntu.com/precise/
[12:21] <Guil> Check the Gyazo link I posted, I'm trying to use PendriveLinux to put on to my USB
[12:22] <OerHeks> saves some time updating
[12:22] <Guil> http://gyazo.com/f7c127206b8025b0fdfa30889f4a357f
[12:22] <jrtappers> Guil, You can download from the site and then click browse
[12:23] <jrtappers> That way you get the one from the site, but instead of Universal Boot Installer I would probably recommend YUMI, I find it a bit better
[12:23] <jrtappers> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/
[12:24] <Guil> But you know on the drop down list of distros on UBI, what is the difference between "Desktop i386", "Desktop amd64", "DVD i386" and "DVD amd64"
[12:25] <jrtappers> i386 = 32 bit, amd64 = 64 bit
[12:25] <reisio> dvd = more than you need
[12:25] <Guil> So if I've got the 64 bit I should go for Desktop amd64
[12:25] <Guil> Thanks
[12:26] <reisio> yup
[12:26] <jrtappers> Yes
[12:32] <shadowdf> j #ubuntu-br
[12:32] <shadowdf> #join ubuntu-br
[12:35] <mikolaj_> I can't tell if the ubuntu on/off switches means something is turned on or off
[12:35] <subz3r0> --> /join #ubuntu-br
[12:35] <DaemonicApathy> mikolaj_: If you see "On", it's on.
[12:36] <DaemonicApathy> Also, it is usually orange in that case.
[12:39] <mikolaj_> but the switch is in the opposite position of the label
[12:40] <mikolaj_> so if I put the switch in the "OFF" position, then the button says ON
[12:40] <DaemonicApathy> What it says is an indicator, not a target.
[12:41] <WIlli-Smith> please how can I set root folder on apache 2.4?
[12:41] <DaemonicApathy> mikolaj_: So, by default, switch to the right = On, switch to the left = Off.
[12:41] <reisio> WIlli-Smith: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/httpd.html
[12:42] <reisio> oh 2.4, hrmm
[12:42] <reisio> WIlli-Smith: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/mod/core.html#documentroot
[12:42] <mikolaj_> it's poorly designed in any case
[12:42] <ndroftheline> hi can someone tell me what the boot flag is to do a media integrity check? it's not on my menu because i used yumi to make my bootable usb
[12:42] <shafeeq> does ubuntu on a fresh install contain 'unity' package?
[12:43] <DaemonicApathy> shafeeq: As of 11.04, yes.
[12:43] <hitsujiTMO> WIlli-Smith: DocumentRoot
[12:43] <hitsujiTMO> WIlli-Smith: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/mod/core.html#documentroot
[12:43] <reisio> hitsujiTMO: you for real? :p
[12:44] <shafeeq> DaemonicApathy,  is it any different if i remove and then install it? i tried installing cinnamon, somehow unity was removed. i reinstalled it and now it's too slow
[12:44] <WIlli-Smith> the problem is when I want to change root folder from /var/www to /home/william/http , in browser error 403 will show
[12:44] <reisio> ndroftheline: media?
[12:44] <hitsujiTMO> reisio: lol sorry, concentrating on something else :P
[12:44] <reisio> hitsujiTMO: booze I bet! :p
[12:44] <reisio> which reminds me...
[12:44] <ndroftheline> reisio: yeah to check the integrity of the installation media
[12:44] <hitsujiTMO> reisio: unfortunately not
[12:44] <ndroftheline> yeah sorry i meant intstallation media integrity check
[12:44] <reisio> ndroftheline: before imaging?
[12:45] <ndroftheline> reisio: before installation
[12:45] <DaemonicApathy> shafeeq: That depends on what else is running, and if anything made to work with Unity is missing.
[12:45] <reisio> ndroftheline: but after imaging? That'd be neat if there were such a flag
[12:45] <hitsujiTMO> WIlli-Smith: did you give permissions with the Directory directive?
[12:45] <ndroftheline> reisio: yeah, burn a ubuntu cdrom and it will give you three options on booting live, run live, install, and media check
[12:45] <shafeeq> DaemonicApathy, compiz seems to take much of the cpu.
[12:45] <reisio> oh neat
[12:46] <ndroftheline> reisio: i used yumi to make a bootable usb instead of burning a cd (no optical) but yumi eliminated the last entry, so i can't use it
[12:46] <reisio> shafeeq: don't have to use it
[12:46] <leif_> what is the name of the libery that allow playing dvd in eu
[12:46] <ndroftheline> i want to know the boot flag to start a media check from the livecd
[12:46] <reisio> ndroftheline: mmm, there might be two menus, one from yumi and one from the install media, seen that before
[12:46] <ndroftheline> installation media* check
[12:46] <shafeeq> reisio, compiz
[12:46] <reisio> leif_: libdvdread? libdvdcss?
[12:46] <reisio> shafeeq: compiz
[12:46] <shafeeq> reisio, compiz?*
[12:47] <reisio> shafeeq: compiz?*
[12:47] <reisio> shafeeq: what about it?
[12:47] <leif_> gonna try those
[12:47] <reisio> leif_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[12:47] <leif_> :)
[12:47] <shafeeq> reisio, you mean, i can use unity without compiz?
[12:47] <WIlli-Smith> I guess there is a permission problem but I dont know how config it
[12:47] <reisio> shafeeq: technically yes, but you might want to not use both
[12:47] <reisio> shafeeq: Xfce can get you all the same appearances, except possibly the global menu, dunno about that
[12:47] <WIlli-Smith> what is Directory derective
[12:48] <reisio> WIlli-Smith: maybe you should talk to #httpd
[12:48] <hitsujiTMO> WIlli-Smith: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/mod/core.html#directory   read the docs
[12:49] <tvillerealest> im new to this type stuff (programming) will yall be able to help me f i need help with something?
[12:49] <reisio> tvillerealest: yup
[12:50] <shafeeq> DaemonicApathy, the default unity works without compiz?
[12:50] <reisio> shafeeq: there's another version that doesn't use compiz
[12:50] <WIlli-Smith> ok, but I dont understatd why apache run under root hasnt permissiont to open user's folder ~/http
[12:50] <DaemonicApathy> shafeeq: Never tried it that way - I don't use Unity, personally.
[12:50] <reisio> but unity without compiz is just three ordinary panels, you can get that from almost any DE
[12:50] <shafeeq> reisio, how can i get it?
[12:51] <reisio> shafeeq: unity-2d
[12:53] <Lartza> Hmm.. I'm removing nginx and php5 to do a clean LAMP install but for some reason apache2-mpm-prefork and apache2.2-common get marked for install in the remove?
[12:53] <j_elly> hi
[12:54] <bekks> Lartza: Then remove everything that requires apache.
[12:54] <chro> my keyboard is not working after upgrading to ubuntu 13.10. What can I do?
[12:54] <Lartza> bekks, It seems something requires php5 and if that is removed it requires apache? (probably php5-common vs apache2.2-common?)
[12:54] <Lartza> But I don't know what
[12:55] <cfhowlett> j_elly, greetings
[12:55] <hitsujiTMO> WIlli-Smith: its an internal permission thing for security, so if you're running a dodgy php app, it does not have permission to ... lets say ... pass your credentials or ssh keys, or ssl keys and certs, or anything else that should not be blindly given access to. It protects your server from some vulnerabilities in your php apps. again i must say tho, read the docs. you should not really be blindly configging apache as its too easy to open
[12:55] <hitsujiTMO>  up security holes with the wrong config.
[12:55] <tvillerealest> There is no 64-bit install for skype is there?
[12:55] <reisio> tvillerealest: should be
[12:55] <bekks> Lartza: It seems more like php5 requires a webserver, either ngibx or apache.
[12:56] <j_elly> hi <cfhowlett>
[12:56] <hitsujiTMO> tvillerealest: i think its a multiarch installer
[12:56] <tvillerealest> hitsujiTMO: Thats on the skype website?
[12:57] <reisio> tvillerealest: probably, but there should be a .deb
[12:57] <hitsujiTMO> tvillerealest: yup
[12:57] <reisio> tvillerealest: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype
[12:57] <tvillerealest> thanks guys
[12:57] <hitsujiTMO> tvillerealest: there's 10.04 32bit or 12.04 multiarch
[12:58] <tvillerealest> hitsujiTMO: i tried the 32-bit the other day it wouldnt work
[13:00] <SpineEyE> I have a question: when typing "git commit -a" i get into git's vi editor. when i then press escape and type in ":q", something about lisp debug mode shows up. I can not close vi
[13:00] <Lartza> bekks, I only have php5-common and php5-cli now, removing cli marks 'apache2-mpm-prefork apache2.2-common libapache2-mod-php5 php5' for install and common is dependency of cli
[13:01] <bekks> Lartza: Then uninstall php5-common and php5-cli ...
[13:01] <Lartza> that tells me that libapache2-mod-php5 needs common but is not marked for install
[13:01] <SpineEyE> can someone help me close the editor?
[13:01] <chro> my keyboard is not working after upgrading to ubuntu 13.10. What can I do?
[13:01] <reisio> SpineEyE: :q
[13:02] <reisio> SpineEyE: do it again
[13:03] <Lartza> phpmailer... solved :)
[13:05] <SpineEyE> http://i.imgur.com/zxqGPy6.png
[13:05] <SpineEyE> http://i.imgur-com/zxgGPy6.png
[13:05] <reisio> http://www.i.imgur.com/zxgGPy6.png perhapse?
[13:06] <SpineEyE> http://i.imgur.com/zxgGPy6.png sorry, this is it
[13:06] <reisio> SpineEyE: did you try :q again?
[13:06] <SpineEyE> i can't type anything
[13:06] <SpineEyE> only ESC gets me out
[13:07] <SpineEyE> gets this message away
[13:07] <SpineEyE> and then im back in editing mode
[13:07] <reisio> :q quits
[13:07] <SpineEyE> :q brings this picture up
[13:07] <SpineEyE> in normal vi i can quit
[13:07] <reisio> SpineEyE: sure you don't have capslock on or something?
[13:07] <reisio> this isn't normal vi?
[13:07] <SpineEyE> only in git vi it's like htis
[13:07] <reisio> ah
[13:08] <reisio> what about :q! or :cq
[13:08] <reisio> or SHIFT+zz
[13:09] <SpineEyE> doesn't work
[13:10] <SpineEyE> shit+zz just types in ZZ
[13:10] <reisio> SpineEyE: you have capslock on
[13:10] <SpineEyE> no
[13:10] <reisio> LIES!
[13:10] <SpineEyE> with capslock it types in zz
[13:10] <reisio> can you close the window?
[13:10] <SpineEyE> yes
[13:11] <SpineEyE> i can just do git commit -a -m "bla"
[13:11] <SpineEyE> but without -m it's broken
[13:11] <reisio> well I'd talk to #git about that
[13:11] <SpineEyE> ok
[13:11] <SpineEyE> i try there
[13:11] <SpineEyE> thanks
[13:11] <reisio> or tell it to use another editor, which is almost certainly an option
[13:12] <gordonjcp> SpineEyE: "broken" in what sense?
[13:12] <SpineEyE> how to do that?
[13:12] <SpineEyE> well i can't insert any command
[13:12] <reisio> what's echo $EDITOR say?
[13:13] <SpineEyE> oh thats maybe the problem :D
[13:13] <SpineEyE> emacs -nw
[13:13] <reisio> huh
[13:13] <reisio> I admit I haven't used Emacs in so long
[13:13] <gordonjcp> SpineEyE: it uses nano by default, or the contents of $EDITOR otherwise
[13:13] <reisio> but it does make sense, re: Lisp
[13:14] <reisio> so yeah, probably Emacs and not vi/m at all, heh
[13:14] <reisio> SpineEyE: CTRL+x, CTRL+c then
[13:14] <SpineEyE> thank you :D
[13:15] <nenya>  b
[13:15] <reisio> nenya: I concur
[13:16] <SpineEyE> a linux noob learns something new every 5 minutes at least
[13:16] <SpineEyE> see you
[13:17] <reisio> I can learn you more than that, but we'll need a canoe and a mop
[13:17] <compdoc> learn me!
[13:17] <reisio> compdoc: you're not ready :p
[13:17] <compdoc> :(
[13:17] <reisio> now you're ready
[13:17] <compdoc> lol
[13:17] <reisio> this hasn't anything to do with Egyptians, friend
[13:18] <reisio> haha
[13:18] <Vivekananda> hello eveyrone. reisio howdy. If I already have windows and ubuntu 12.04 and I want to reinstall windows it will overwrite the grub
[13:18] <Vivekananda> how do I save an restore it ?
[13:18] <tvillerealest> does anyone know how to install multiarch?
[13:18] <reisio> Vivekananda: from your Ubuntu install media
[13:18] <reisio> Vivekananda: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[13:18] <reisio> tvillerealest: install what?
[13:19] <tvillerealest> MultiArch
[13:19] <reisio> Vivekananda: 2nd option there
[13:19] <k1l_> tvillerealest: multiarch is not something you install. its already included in ubuntu
[13:19] <tvillerealest> oh
[13:19] <tvillerealest> i feel dumb now
[13:19] <reisio> tvillerealest: :)
[13:19] <k1l_> tvillerealest: no need to.
[13:20] <razzledazzle> hello guys, is it possible to edit windows boot entries from Ubuntu?
[13:20] <razzledazzle> I locked myself out of Windows
[13:20] <reisio> razzledazzle: to what end
[13:20] <tvillerealest> im new to this so ur gonna have to cut me some slack
[13:20] <reisio> razzledazzle: locked?
[13:20] <bekks> razzledazzle: define "locked out" please.
[13:20] <razzledazzle> I'll explain
[13:20]  * reisio gets popped corn
[13:20]  * rypervenche grabs a handfull.
[13:20] <razzledazzle> I installed crunchbang, the installer did its thing with GRUB2, it was normal
[13:21] <reisio> razzledazzle: ooh
[13:21] <razzledazzle> however, when it booted Windows 7 boot menu showed up
[13:21] <bekks> razzledazzle: What does "locked out of windows"?
[13:21] <k1l_> tvillerealest: if you have some issues just ask specific questions with details in here :)
[13:21] <reisio> a boot menu when you booted? That sounds awful
[13:21] <razzledazzle> and there was no crunchbang to be seen just windows options
[13:21] <bekks> *mean
[13:21] <reisio> razzledazzle: does windows boot?
[13:21] <razzledazzle> yes, it does
[13:21] <reisio> razzledazzle: okay, sounds like your grub.cfg is just off
[13:22] <reisio> razzledazzle: boot a live OS and come back here
[13:22] <tvillerealest> Ok in that case, do i have to enable multiarch. Im using unity does that make a difference?
[13:22] <razzledazzle> I continued with Windows and then added Crunchbang with EasyBCD
[13:22] <k1l_> razzledazzle: just ask the crunchbang support what they changed that could cause this problem
[13:22] <razzledazzle> its a Linux thing, it should be solvable
[13:22] <reisio> tvillerealest: multiarch means dealing with more than one arch, it's not something you have to opt into or be aware of afaik
[13:22] <k1l_> razzledazzle: or ask in ##linux
[13:23] <reisio> razzledazzle: easybcd still needs grub functioning properly
[13:23] <Vivekananda> reisio: after installing it on the boot cd it does not recommend to first create a boot backup
[13:23] <razzledazzle> Let me explain guys, the weird part is that when I chose Crunchbang on the boot selection, GRUB2 would show up with Windows there
[13:23] <k1l_> tvillerealest: multiarch is enabled by default. so if you install something its already in mulltiarch
[13:23] <UrielVigilant> wich app i should use to synch ubuntu 13.10 and my tablet android icecream sanwich ?
[13:23] <reisio> Vivekananda: so?
[13:23] <subz3r0> UrielVigilant: rsync
[13:23] <tvillerealest> that makes sense
[13:23] <razzledazzle> so I thought if I choose Windows in that GRUB2 menu, Windows would normally start and I set the Windows boot selection wait time to 0
[13:24] <reisio> razzledazzle: it's weird, you need to fix your grub cfg
[13:24] <Vivekananda> reisio: so where is the backup created which will be restored
[13:24] <UrielVigilant> subz3r0: thank you
[13:24] <reisio> UrielVigilant: sync what exactly?
[13:24] <k1l_> razzledazzle: ask the crunchbang support!
[13:24] <reisio> Vivekananda: you don't really need a backup
[13:24] <razzledazzle> okay, I shut up
[13:24] <razzledazzle> thanks guys.
[13:24] <UrielVigilant> reisio: synch data and apps etc . .
[13:24] <Vivekananda> really ? but I remember that earlier versions of ubutu required to create a back up and restore it
[13:25] <reisio> UrielVigilant: try andftp, you can use it with sshd (on Ubuntu)
[13:25] <reisio> over wireless
[13:25] <Vivekananda> grub 1 mostly
[13:25] <bekks> Vivekananda: No, grub 1 never required that.
[13:25] <reisio> Vivekananda: you don't really need a backup of the mbr, but I can tell you how to make one if you like
[13:25] <UrielVigilant> reisio: what it is sshd ?
[13:25] <subz3r0> reisio: pretty nice app. especialla the ADS inside
[13:25] <subz3r0> sshDaemon
[13:25] <reisio> UrielVigilant: sshd is the ssh daemon, it's the ordinary way to access Unix systems remotely
[13:25] <reisio> subz3r0: what?
[13:26] <subz3r0> reisio: like i said... pretty nice app... especially the ADS ...
[13:26] <UrielVigilant> reisio: kind of -           sudo apt-get install andftp         ?
[13:26] <reisio> subz3r0: what do you like about ads?
[13:26] <reisio> UrielVigilant: andftp would be for and-roid
[13:26] <reisio> and sshd for ubuntu
[13:27] <UrielVigilant> reisio: thank you
[13:27] <subz3r0> reisio: you didnt get it, do you?
[13:27] <reisio> subz3r0: not yet
[13:27] <subz3r0> andsmb, and ftp is crap!
[13:27] <subz3r0> andftp
[13:27] <reisio> it's not crap, does exactly what it says it does
[13:27] <subz3r0> reisio: so any reason why not using rync?
[13:28] <reisio> and I don't recall any ads, either
[13:28] <reisio> subz3r0: why not using rsync on android?
[13:28] <subz3r0> reisio: thats maybe because your phone is rooted and youre using a firewall
[13:28] <reisio> subz3r0: maybe in a world other than this one
[13:28] <reisio> android is about ads, though
[13:29] <reisio> so I'm sure he's used to them, even though andftp hasn't any IME
[13:32] <g105b> Is there any way I can re-add my user to root without rebooting? I'm ok with logging off, but I can't reboot.
[13:32] <g105b> (the root group)
[13:32] <subz3r0> g105b: you dont need to reboot
[13:32] <subz3r0> relogin should does the trick
[13:33] <g105b> subz3r0: I have tried, hasn't done it... I accidentally forgot the -a flag on usermod ... removed main user from all groups :S
[13:33] <reisio> g105b: su - user
[13:33] <reisio> oh
[13:33] <UrielVigilant> Do you think it worse to use Ubuntu in our tablets like end users ? Will be possible to install ubuntu on a samsung gt-s8500 that comes with BADA ?
[13:33] <reisio> so you can't sudo?
[13:33] <g105b> reisio: correct
[13:33] <reisio> UrielVigilant: bada?
[13:33] <WinstonSmith> hi. on newer kernels my laptop keyboard does not work. i have a keybord device in /proc/bus/input/devices and udev generates input and event files in /sys/class/input. any ideas why the keyboard does not work? or where i could look for pointers?
[13:34] <reisio> ah bada
[13:34] <reisio> UrielVigilant: it depends on the hardware and more importantly whether it has any secure boot
[13:34] <reisio> g105b: no, you'd have to reboot
[13:34] <k1l_> UrielVigilant: for ubuntu-touch questions better ask in #ubuntu-touch
[13:34] <reisio> g105b: unless you gave root a password
[13:34] <subz3r0> g105b: "sudo adduser username root" then "newgrp root"
[13:35] <NuSuey> how can I add   Option     "SWCursor"       "ON in 13.10? o.O thought if it would help me to deal with the dissapearing mouse problem during wine -  games
[13:35] <reisio> g105b: or if you still have a term open from before you removed the groups
[13:35] <g105b> subz3r0: but ... it needs sudo?
[13:35] <UrielVigilant> reisio: thank you veru much
[13:35] <subz3r0> g105b: no other user addet which is added to /etc/sudoers file?
[13:35] <subz3r0> t/d
[13:35] <g105b> I was wondering if there was any root command automatically run on login that I could add the line to?
[13:36] <reisio> g105b: you can get root at login, after a reboot
[13:37] <reisio> g105b: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpstartHowto#How_do_I_enter_single-user_mode.3F
[13:37] <g105b> reisio: how do i do that?
[13:37] <reisio> just said
[13:38] <kaun> Hello!
[13:38] <g105b> reisio: after a reboot ... then what?
[13:38] <reisio> 'This hasn't changed. Choose the "(recovery mode)" option from GRUB; add "-s", "S" or "single" to the kernel command-line; or from a running machine, run "telinit 1" or "shutdown now". '
[13:38] <cfhowlett> kaun, greetings!
[13:38] <reisio> kaun: hi
[13:39] <kaun> Atm. i am trying to install Ubuntu on my computer, but i am having a big problem, can some one here help? :-) Mvh
[13:39] <cfhowlett> !details|kaun,
[13:41] <g105b> Because I have encrypted FS, holding shift doesn't get into the grub menu ... any ideas?
[13:42] <kaun> I have downloaded Ubuntu and burned it to a disc, but when i reboot my computer and choose ubuntu start up instead of windows. It gives me an error
[13:42] <k1l_> kaun: which error?
[13:42] <cfhowlett> kaun, what error.  details matter.
[13:44] <kaun> When i choosed Ubuntu it said something like windows couldn't start, this can becaused by a change in the hardware and software
[13:44] <cfhowlett> kaun, that's a windows error, not an ubuntu error.
[13:44] <cfhowlett> kaun, wait
[13:44]  * cfhowlett hates to ask but ...
[13:44] <Guest61630> kaun, boot from the drive
[13:44] <cfhowlett> kaun, did you use the windows installer??
[13:45] <kaun> No i did not. Listen. When i installed the ubuntu and rebooted my computer, it gives me 3 options. Windows - Unetbooting - Ubuntu.
[13:46] <kaun> So i choose Ubuntu
[13:46] <kaun> And i guess there's a problem with my computer from before i tried to install it?
[13:46] <cfhowlett> kaun, screenshots please.
[13:46] <Guest61630> kaun, when booting your windows machine you press f7 and boot ubuntu from the drive and follow the install instructions
[13:47] <Naczelnik> Hi. Yesterday I upgraded ubuntu to 13.10. This repair hibernation/sleep when I close my laptop, but I got error as in http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1871634 . What I should do? Where go? How diagnostic it?
[13:48] <kaun> Guest61630: I will try to press F7 and see what happends.           cfhowlett: I will try to take a screenshot if i am able to, i can't i will write down everything that it says :-) Brb 5 mins.
[13:48] <Naczelnik> I don't know why is it closed if nobody resolve this problem.
[13:52] <Lisa201> OMG!  What's going on with Ubuntu?  I just loaded 13.10, and there's huge delays everywhere!
[13:53] <cfhowlett> Lisa201, it happens.  wait and try later
[13:53] <Lisa201> I mean on my own system...
[13:53] <Lisa201> I was running Kubuntu, and it was nice, so I thought I'd try the standard 13.10
[13:53] <cfhowlett> Lisa201, my crystal ball says ... no details, no analysis
[13:53] <Lisa201> Just loggin in takes what seems forever now.
[13:54] <Lisa201> Opening any apps is slow...
[13:54] <Lisa201> Tried the Unity desktop, slow...
[13:54] <Lisa201> Tried KDE... slow
[13:54] <Lisa201> Tried Gnome3... slow...
[13:55] <cfhowlett> Lisa201, yeah, see, the thing is, since you've provided no critical details, no one is going to help you so ... details here or gripe elsewhere.
[13:55] <k1l_> Lisa201: this is a technical support channel. so if you have a specific support question ask it. dont misuse this channel for ranting
[13:56] <Lisa201> OK, well if I knew WHY it was slow, I'd just fix it... thought maybe you guys would have an over-all clue.
[13:56] <dustin_> Hey, I'm having a problem with Debian that I can't work out. I'm not getting much of a response on their channel. Basically my wireless doesn't work - I had to install the ipw2200 drivers, but beyond that I don't know what to do. I've never had to set up a network interface before. Can anybody help?
[13:56] <gordonjcp> Lisa201: what's the spec of the machine you're on?
[13:56] <cfhowlett> !details|Lisa201,
[13:56] <cfhowlett> dustin_, debian support this ain't
[13:56] <Lisa201> Dell laptop 8G i7.
[13:56] <subz3r0> Lisa201: no wonder that its freakin slow you your 286 PC
[13:56] <Lisa201> 17" gtx550M graphics
[13:56] <subz3r0> Lisa201: i would upgrade to 2 MB of RAM
[13:57] <Lisa201> I have 8 G now...
[13:57] <dustin_> cfhowlett: I realize this
[13:57] <dhanya> I am just a beginner in Ubuntu contribution. Can anyone explain or define what the Upstream tar is and what it is used for ? I googled it but it didn't help.
[13:57] <cfhowlett> subz3r0, 286 with i7?  serioulsy?
[13:58] <subz3r0> cfhowlett: did i mention that?
[13:58] <gordonjcp> dhanya: it's the tarball from whoever wrote the package
[13:58] <kaun> Hello i am back
[13:58] <cfhowlett> kaun, what's the word?
[13:58] <Guest61630> kaun, and?
[13:58] <Lisa201> I guess I'll back down to Ubuntu 12.04... It was way faster,
[13:58] <gordonjcp> Lisa201: 13.10 works okay for me, but I did find I needed to use a fairly chunky machine
[13:59] <Lisa201> chunky?
[13:59] <Guest61630> chunky?
[13:59] <gordonjcp> Lisa201: now I've got 2GB of RAM in my 1.6GHz Core 2 Duo, it's fine
[13:59] <simbo> hey guys. How can I download all packages of Ubuntu via my terminal ?
[13:59] <Guest61630> get-apt update
[13:59] <kaun> I tried to press F7 and it said: "Reboot and select boot device or insert boot media in selected boot device and press a key"
[13:59] <Lisa201> Exactly, my system is way faster than yours, so what's with my slow Ubuntu?
[13:59] <cfhowlett> simbo, sudo apt-get packagename is the format
[13:59] <yeats> simbo: what do you mean by "all packages of Ubuntu"?
[13:59] <Guest61630> kaun, thatś ok
[13:59] <kaun> I couldn't take a screenshot, but i toke one with my phone.
[13:59] <v> Zorin Os7 vs Linux Mint 15 (cinnamon edition)
[13:59] <kaun> And here's what it said
[14:00] <Guest61630> kaun, did you select your drive?
[14:00] <simbo> yeats: The source code, the branches
[14:00] <k1l_> v ask that comparison in ##linux
[14:00] <MonkeyDust> simbo  use apt-get install in the terminal
[14:00] <gordonjcp> Lisa201: no idea, you must be doing something wrong
[14:00] <gordonjcp> Lisa201: what kind of graphics card?
[14:00] <v> kll  : on freenode?
[14:00] <cfhowlett> !mint|v
[14:00] <Lisa201> It was a fresh reload... formatted the / partition etc.
[14:00] <k1l_> Lisa201: drivers for the video card installed?
[14:01] <simbo> monkeydust: this wont give me the actual branches will it ?
[14:01] <Lisa201> There are no drivers for the gtx55m card... but it has run well with the Intel video drivers.
[14:01] <MonkeyDust> simbo  what do you want to achieve?
[14:01] <k1l_> Lisa201: so its a hybrid laptop? did you install bumblebee?
[14:01] <kaun> It said windows couldnt start it could be because of a change in the hardware of software and it tells me to solve the problem by putting windows disc into my drive.
[14:01] <k1l_> !bumblebee | Lisa201
[14:01] <v> cannot send anything to the channel ,?
[14:02] <k1l_> v for freenode support ask in #freenode
[14:02] <Lisa201> l Played with bumblebee before, but don't really need it.
[14:02] <Lisa201> I*
[14:02] <Guest61630> kaun, ok then you have a problem with your drive
[14:02] <kaun> Guest61630: How do i select my drive? i only have one :-)
[14:02] <cfhowlett> kaun, yep THAT is a windows error message.  If you're getting THAT on selecting ubuntu then something somewhere failed.
[14:02] <simbo> get the sourcecode to my local machine to optimize some stuff. As it's just a test, I don't want to use launchpad (cause my modifications will probably not be very useful to others)
[14:02] <Guest61630> nothing to do with windows or ubuntu
[14:02] <k1l_> Lisa201: if you have a intel and a nvidia card you need bumblebee if you dont set to one video card only in the bios
[14:02] <v> ok.
[14:03] <Lisa201> Ya, my bios doesn't have the slection, so I just use the Intel side.
[14:03] <cfhowlett> kaun, easy way to test:make another ubuntu USB and try again.
[14:03] <kaun> Okay i though so.. Do you nice guys maybe have a soloution for a problem like this?
[14:03] <Lisa201> I'm not complaining about the graphics, just how long programs take to load etc.
[14:03] <Guest61630> kaun, after you press f7 when booting, you can choose (with the arrows) to boot your machine from the disk or from your cd rom drive or usb drive etc.
[14:03] <k1l_> Lisa201: that can be a symptome of wrong video drivers
[14:03] <MonkeyDust> simbo  use apt-get source to get the source code
[14:04] <cfhowlett> Lisa201, xubuntu and lubuntu are "lighter" and would probably speed things along.  Not quite so much eye candy though
[14:04] <kaun> Cfhowlett: should i pyt the file onto a usb?
[14:04] <yeats> simbo: see 'man apt-get' source section for details
[14:04] <Lisa201> ok, maybe the intel one changed from 12.10 and the other distro's I've used.
[14:04] <Guest61630> if you get the problem you mention, then your cd rom drive is faulty
[14:04] <kaun> Guest: No i dont get that options
[14:04] <kaun> It just says what i told wrote you before :-)
[14:04] <cfhowlett> !usb|kaun, "put the file"?  ooookay, you need to create a bootable USB
[14:04] <Guest61630> kaun, that is not possible.... you should be able to press (and hold!!) f7
[14:04] <Lisa201> I used to boot Ubuntu 12.04 in about 15 seconds to the logon prompt.
[14:05] <Guest61630> then you will get a small blue screen with booting options
[14:05] <Lisa201> Now it's like a minute and a half.
[14:05] <Guest61630> disk / drive / usb / 2nd disk etc
[14:05] <yeats> !bootchart | Lisa201
[14:05] <yeats> Lisa201: ^^ that will show you what's taking so long with boot time
[14:05] <Lisa201> OK!  Great, how do I use it exactly?
[14:06] <yeats> Lisa201: install the package and reboot
[14:06] <kaun> cfhowlett, i will look at those links and see how i will do it :-)
[14:06] <kaun> Guest61630: I haven't tried holding it down. Maybe i should go
[14:06] <cfhowlett> kaun, what windows version by the way?
[14:06] <kaun> Windows 7
[14:07] <Guest61630> yes kaun, try again, press f7 untill you get options
[14:07] <cfhowlett> kaun, really shouldn't be choking up.  I'm guessing you scrambled things somewhere. see the dual boot link
[14:07] <cfhowlett> !dualboot
[14:07] <Lisa201> OK, installed bootchart... so I just reboot and then enter that command in a root terminal?
[14:09] <Lisa201> I'll go try it...
[14:09] <MarkDavis> Hi
[14:09] <Lisa201> Thanks!
[14:09] <yeats> Lisa201: no - it creates a graphic that will be in /var/log/bootchart
[14:09] <cipherboy> Currently I am having problems with my intrenet adapters. One is a wired connection to the router, which works fine, except ifconfig and conky do not display any usage stats (http://paste.ubuntu.com/6312474/) .  My wireless adapter cannot connect to the network, and it seems to be spamming dmesg (http://paste.ubuntu.com/6312470/). Ideas?
[14:09] <Lisa201> so just run bootchart when I'm logged back on?
[14:09] <WinstonSmith> to whom it may concern: solution was to add i8042.nopnp to my kernel boot options
[14:09] <yeats> Lisa201: no ;-) it will run as you boot and create the chart automatically
[14:09] <MarkDavis> I want to burn a disc with ubuntu, but I also want to have the session left open. Do I have to check any special options?
[14:09] <MarkDavis> with K3b, that is
[14:10] <MarkDavis> There is: Multi-session mode - auto
[14:10] <Lisa201> Ya, I mean to see the results?
[14:10] <Guest61630> MarkDavis, no you should be fine.
[14:10] <yeats> Lisa201: open the file manager and browse to /var/log/bootchart
[14:10] <MarkDavis> Guest61630: thank
[14:10] <MarkDavis> thanks
[14:10] <Lisa201> rgr, thanks!
[14:11] <kaun> Okay, i'll try reboot and hold down F7 first, if that doesn't make i'll try the USB :-) How does that sound?
[14:11] <Guest61630> like a plan kaun
[14:11] <Guest61630> ;)
[14:13] <chro> my keyboard is not working after upgrading to ubuntu 13.10. What can I do?
[14:14] <Guest61630> chro, tried *tchecking eayboard layout top right corner?
[14:14] <cfhowlett> !mactel>me
[14:15] <chro> no
[14:15] <chro> but it's not the layout
[14:15] <sha1sum> chro: is this a built-in laptop keyboard or an external keyboard of some sort?
[14:16] <chro> sha1sum, built-in keyboard. It does not work with the latest kernel, just with the 3.8
[14:16] <chro> I have to go to the advanced boot options
[14:16] <kaun> So i tried to hold down F7 in every screen i could get, and nothing happend at all :-(
[14:16] <kaun> I'll give the USB a try :-)
[14:17] <cipherboy> Ideas on networking problems?
[14:17] <cfhowlett> cipherboy, details, people, DETAILS!
[14:18] <cipherboy> cfhowlett: Currently I am having problems with my intrenet adapters. One is a wired connection to the router, which works fine, except ifconfig and conky do not display any usage stats (http://paste.ubuntu.com/6312474/) .  My wireless adapter cannot connect to the network, and it seems to be spamming dmesg (http://paste.ubuntu.com/6312470/). Ideas?
[14:18] <chro> sha1sum, this is what happens to me: http://askubuntu.com/questions/362402/usb-keyboard-does-not-load-after-13-10-upgrade
[14:18] <sha1sum> chro: what kernel version are you using?
[14:18] <sha1sum> (the broken one)
[14:18] <everald> Hello. How do I report a bug (segfaulting python app, openshot) in Ubuntu? I know Debian very well, there you would use reportbug, but that's not in Ubuntu it seems?
[14:18] <chro> sha1sum, 3.8.0-31-generic
[14:18] <cfhowlett> cipherboy, does it fail only on this connection or ALL wifi connections?
[14:19] <chro> sha1sum, the broken one is the latest 3.11
[14:19] <cfhowlett> !bug|everald,
[14:19] <chro> 3.11.0-12-generic
[14:19] <cipherboy> But sure: 13.10, 3.11.0-12-generic, AMD64. Devices: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6312520/
[14:20] <cipherboy> cfhowlett: There are two separate routers in range, fails on connecting to both. Windows 8.1 works to connect. Its a desktop, so I can't exactly move it to test other networks.
[14:20] <everald> Does launchpad use the same password as Ubuntu One?
[14:21] <chro> sha1sum, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/1238194
[14:21] <cfhowlett> cipherboy, ow.  OK, good description!  Ask also on #ubuntu-server if no solution in this channel
[14:21] <everald> I guess the answer is no.
[14:21] <sha1sum> chro: do you have an external keyboard you can use to get debug output?
[14:22] <chro> sha1sum, no I don't have :\
[14:22] <cfhowlett> everald, it can be configured to do so.  just use your open ID on all such accounts and you're golden
[14:23] <ddshore> I'm trying to resize an encrypted partition, but the instructions I'm following (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ResizeEncryptedPartitions) changed from using 5G to 5.6G.  Does anyone know if this change is accidental?
[14:23] <aadeesh> Hello. I installed 13.10 AMD64 dual booting with Windows 7 64bit. The wallpaper remains only black and is not changed from Appearance settings. The wallpaper is updated on the lock screen but not when logged in. Any help?
[14:23] <racho> cipherboy, maybe relevant to your situation https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-network/+bug/1244866
[14:25] <sha1sum> chro: hmmm... You might be looking at bugs that are not the same as the ones you're experiencing. Might be the same, or might not, but you'd need to get some debug information *while booted into* the broken kernel, and the only way I can think of to do that is to find an external keyboard to use.
[14:26] <chro> sha1sum, ok I will try to do that
[14:26] <chro> rebooting...
[14:26] <chro> brb
[14:28] <cipherboy> racho: Interesting, seems I have a number of similar lines in syslog including (<info> (wlan0): device state change: config -> failed (reason 'SSID not found') [50 120 53])
[14:29] <sha1sum> aadeesh: I use kde, but possibly this will help? http://askubuntu.com/questions/262373/why-cant-i-change-the-wallpaper-in-gnome-shell-and-unity
[14:30] <cuddylier> Is it possible to zip multiple files into a single zip archive?
[14:30] <cuddylier> I can only find the command to zip a folder or a single file
[14:30] <cfhowlett> cuddylier, of course!
[14:30] <cuddylier> How would I do it? I can't find the command anywhere on google
[14:31] <aadeesh> sha1sum: I'll check that. But I faced a similar problem with 12.04.3 but that got resolved by chown my \home.
[14:32] <cipherboy> Currently installing the latest 3.12.0 and 3.11.6 kernels off the ppa.
[14:32] <jack> cuddylier, zip fullpath/bla fullpath/blurp
[14:32] <cuddylier> Would that zip only the files inside that path rather than all the folders as well?
[14:32] <jack> gives youoe .zip with bothfiles
[14:32] <sha1sum> cuddylier: I just took a look on the man page for the zip command and it looks like "zip -u" (-u for update)
[14:32] <jack> *one
[14:32] <sha1sum> cuddylier: http://linux.die.net/man/1/zip
[14:32] <ddshore> I'm trying to resize an encrypted volume on my computer, but the live cd instructions that exist aren't really clear.  After deleting the swap partition, he adds .6G to his physical partition; is he adding the swap?  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ResizeEncryptedPartitions
[14:33] <sha1sum> cuddylier: or possibly "zip -g" for "grow"
[14:33] <sha1sum> I'm assuming -g just adds the files and -u will add files and update any of them that already exist and have been modified since last added
[14:34] <aadeesh> sha1sum: That worked! Thank You.
[14:34] <cuddylier> jack How does the command 'zip fullpath/bla fullpath/blurp' know what to call the zip?
[14:35] <matt444> Hi, any help installing Ubuntu on a head
[14:35] <matt444> headless server?
[14:35] <cfhowlett> matt444, on a head?  no.  you need the whole body...
[14:35] <cfhowlett> !ubuntu-server|matt444,
[14:35] <matt444> ;-)
[14:36] <sha1sum> cfhowlett: haha. Classic.
[14:36] <matt444> What I mean is the server has no monitor support
[14:37] <cipherboy> I will be back to check whether it works with this new kernel.
[14:38] <sha1sum> matt444: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/NetworkConsole
[14:39] <matt444> thanks
[14:40] <l4linux> .#fedora
[14:40] <sha1sum> matt444: actually now that I'm reading that there still has to be some kind of network configuration at the machine... May want to look into the kickstart installation: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/installation-guide/i386/automatic-install.html <-- for 10.04, but possibly the same type of process for newer versions
[14:42] <Henesy> Alright mates, I installed nvidia-319 via simple apt-get install, now brightness controls don't work period, not even in /sys/call/backlight
[14:44] <cipherboy_> Alright, tested the 3.12.0 kernel, didn't fix it. Hm..  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6312628/
[14:45] <l4linux> ?
[14:45] <l4linux> help
[14:45] <l4linux> -help
[14:45] <l4linux> how to log into other IRC channel?
[14:45] <bob_> try /join #fedora
[14:45] <l4linux> thank you bob_
[14:45] <bob_> np
[14:47] <FrameFever> how can I get the diskusage of all subfolders in a current directory?
[14:47] <FrameFever> disk usage
[14:48] <FrameFever> but without printing recursively all subfolders
[14:48] <zykotick9> FrameFever: i like "du -sh *", or ncdu myself.
[14:49] <sha1sum> FrameFever: ls -AF | grep \/ | xargs du -sh
[14:49] <sha1sum> FrameFever: http://www.toomanyredirects.com/listing-all-subdirectories-with-file-sizes-in-linux/
[14:49] <sha1sum> if you're going to be using it frequently, I would recommend setting up an alias for it like that page indicates
[14:51] <FrameFever> zykotick9: looking into the documentation of du
[14:51] <FrameFever> -s  display only a total for each argument
[14:52] <FrameFever> I mean seriously what does this mean?
[14:52] <zykotick9> FrameFever: i do like sha1sum's suggestion, as it does hidden directories as well...  (fyi ncdu does as well)
[14:53] <Wheelman> Yeah ladies and gentlemen..screw you all whatever,whenever,wherever and whoever you are.
[14:54] <FrameFever> zykotick9: yea, but this docu?
[14:54] <FrameFever> it does not describe what I get
[14:55] <zykotick9> FrameFever: summarize.... how it that confusing?  it doesn't recurively list into the directories...
[14:55] <sha1sum> I didn't know the answer to the question, so I looked it up, which is why I like helping support on these channels. Learn something new every day :D
[14:56] <sha1sum> FrameFever: maybe I misunderstood. Do you not want it to give you totals recursively or do you just not want it printing every folder recursively?
[14:57] <FrameFever> I want the size of all directoriey inside the current directories
[14:57] <FrameFever> but of course without printing all subdirectories
[14:57] <FrameFever> thats useless
[14:57] <sha1sum> -s basically totals all of the sizes of the folders recursively, but doesn't display each one.
[14:58] <hitsujiTMO> FrameFever: try adding the -d1 flag
[14:58] <FrameFever> yeah i know this now, but with this docu. " display only a total for each argument"
[14:58] <FrameFever> it woudn't possible
[14:59] <FrameFever> u: warning: summarizing conflicts with --max-depth=1
[14:59] <sha1sum> I don't see any way around it having to be vague like that because you can either pass it an argument within the du command or pipe it an argument or use xargs... hence "argument"
[15:00] <sha1sum> FrameFever: max-depth=1 will not give you the *total* of all of the recursive folders, hence you can't exactly summarize anything
[15:01] <sha1sum> --max-depth=1 should give you only the size of the subdirectory's files, not recursing.
[15:03] <hitsujiTMO> FrameFever: what directory are you trying to look at the disk usage for?
[15:03] <FrameFever> hitsujiTMO: does this matter?
[15:03] <FrameFever> in my home directory
[15:03] <FrameFever> I want to find the diretory with the biggest size
[15:04] <sha1sum> FrameFever: so I'm not understanding how that command that I first offered won't work... ?
[15:04] <zykotick9> FrameFever: install ncdu, it will show you - in order!
[15:04] <hitsujiTMO> FrameFever: ah, ok ... thought you might be giving out about trying it on / and seeing all the sub dirs because you do not have permission to read them
[15:04] <bob_> FrameFever, try baobab
[15:06] <cariveri> hi. apt-get,apport and others  are damaged after install kde on 13.04. what can I do?
[15:06] <hitsujiTMO> cariveri: what do you mean by damaged?
[15:07] <cariveri> hitsujiTMO: it does not work. apt-cache does not display anything. install and removing seems to start but returns very fast to the prompt without having done anything.
[15:08] <sha1sum> interesting.
[15:08] <hitsujiTMO> cariveri: seems like your apt-cache is corrupt
[15:08] <cariveri> hitsujiTMO: yes. what can I do?
[15:09] <hitsujiTMO> cariveri: start with; sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get update
[15:10] <sha1sum> methinks more was going on than just a simple kde install heh
[15:10] <cariveri> hitsujiTMO: all crashes just returned and Ign http://security.ubuntu.com raring-security/universe Translation-de
[15:10] <cariveri> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[15:11] <sha1sum> ouch.
[15:11] <hitsujiTMO> cariveri: try: dpkg-reconfigure apt
[15:11] <cariveri> I think something went wrong while apt was installing the kde package :(
[15:12] <hitsujiTMO> cariveri: then try apt-get update again
[15:12] <sha1sum> cariveri: sudo rm /var/cache/apt/*.bin
[15:12] <simone> ciao
[15:12] <sha1sum> cariveri: then run the apt-get update
[15:13] <hitsujiTMO> simone: DO NOT !list
[15:15] <cariveri> still seg faulting. and Problem executing scripts APT::Update::Post-Invoke-Success 'test -x /usr/bin/apt-show-versions || exit 0 ; apt-show-versions -i'
[15:15] <cariveri> E: Sub-process returned an error code
[15:16] <Vivekananda> hey everyone. I installed unetbootin and I have 12.04 iso downloaded and verified. Now how do I use unetbootin to create a live usb for the lts ? on openinng unetbootin I see no options for the 12.04 under "Distribution"
[15:17] <cariveri> hitsujiTMO: so the problem is still there.
[15:17] <sha1sum> cariveri: did you remove the .bin files in /var/cache/apt/ ?
[15:17] <cariveri> sha1sum: there wasnt any
[15:17] <sha1sum> k
[15:18] <hitsujiTMO> cariveri: i have never seen such an issue with apt before to be honest
[15:18] <hitsujiTMO> cariveri: seems to be more than just a corrupt cache
[15:18] <cariveri> in deed.
[15:18] <everald> Hello. Sometimes the menu in the top right corner of unity, which contains the log out and reboot entries, just vanishes. Howcome, how to bring it back?
[15:20] <cariveri> hitsujiTMO: I noticed kubuntu-desktop also updated the grub. perhaps that measn soemthing?
[15:20] <hitsujiTMO> cariveri: a grub config should have no interference with apt
[15:21] <sha1sum> One forum poster I just read solved the segfault problem by increasing the cache limit... not sure if that's going to help in this instance.
[15:21] <cariveri> how to?
[15:22] <cariveri> man apt-cache
[15:23] <sha1sum> cariveri: try the steps listed here: http://aziest.wordpress.com/2011/01/24/how-to-increase-your-apt-cache-limit/
[15:23] <sha1sum> I've never had to mess with it, but I guess anything is worth a try for you at this point.
[15:23] <Jpmh> I am attempting to install 12.4 on a Dell laptop - I have done this many times.  I am getting the messageubi-partman failed with exit code 10.  What does this mean
[15:25] <cariveri> no. didnt help.
[15:26] <hitsujiTMO> jpmh, thats the partition manager ... have you tried restarting the install?
[15:28] <SPEEDWAVE> why steam os is not free install for ubuntu 12.04?
[15:28] <therazr> SPEEDWAVE: Because it is an OS, just like Ubuntu.
[15:29] <hitsujiTMO> SPEEDWAVE: steamos is an operating system. which is not even out yet
[15:29] <Jpmh> hitsujiTMO: I have done nothing other than ask it to re-try and it repeated - I can power down and re-start install I guess - what is this code telling me?
[15:29] <sha1sum> cariveri: the only thing I can offer is what I would probably do in this situation, which is backup and reinstall after a few more tedious hours of googling for an answer
[15:29] <SPEEDWAVE> therazr, i mean steam like on linux free to install and free to log-in..
[15:30] <ikonia> SPEEDWAVE: steam client is free for ubuntu, steam OS is a rival OS nothing to do with ubuntu
[15:30] <sha1sum> cariveri: did you add any repos before you ran the kde install?
[15:30] <hitsujiTMO> Jpmh: something failed when creating the partitions. i've seen similar errors before. all you can do is restart the install. if you get the error again there may be a bigger issue
[15:31] <therazr> SPEEDWAVE: If you use Ubuntu with Steam, there shouldn't be any difference than using steamOS itself
[15:31] <SPEEDWAVE> ikonia, ah.. ok now i understand hehhe
[15:31] <ikonia> therazr there should be significant difference
[15:32] <therazr> ikonia: Why?
[15:32] <ikonia> therazr: because it's a different OS
[15:32] <hitsujiTMO> SPEEDWAVE: also, on linux, steam is officially only supported on ubuntu
[15:33] <sha1sum> Jpmh: can you access /var/log/syslog on a different TTY session to find out what's going on?
[15:33] <therazr> ikonia: Yes I know. I meant it shouldn't provide a different experience in terms of the Steam platform
[15:33] <ikonia> therazr: sure sure
[15:33] <sha1sum> not even sure there are TTY sessions on an install CD, never tried it
[15:33] <hitsujiTMO> therazr: that is dependant... it may provide its own set of drivers.
[15:34] <Jpmh> sha1sum: don't know - just booted and ran gparted from a live stick and see that there is an issue on the Windoze partition that I want to overwite anyway, am booting the old Windoze right now and will run chkdsk
[15:34] <rly> I compiled a custom kernel by following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/GitKernelBuild -- Kernel Build and Installation --. After the sudo reboot action, there is no grub entry for the newly built kernel. Why is this the case?
[15:35] <hitsujiTMO> rly: did you run update-grub ?
[15:35] <SPEEDWAVE> guys i just download this  steam_latest(1).deb i dont know how to install this, can you help me about this...
[15:35] <rly> hitsujiTMO: yes
[15:35] <therazr> hitsujiTMO: Very unlikely. Valve won't create a new display server I believe... I would say they will use X, so the drivers are the same we have now
[15:35] <sha1sum> Jpmh: I suppose this is a silly question when discussing a dell laptop, but the thing doesn't have an RAID setup does it? (I'm laughing right now, but why not ask?)
[15:35] <therazr> SPEEDWAVE: It's just double-clicking on it, then the Ubuntu Software Center will pop up and then click Install, to install it
[15:36] <SPEEDWAVE> ok i try
[15:36] <ikonia> SPEEDWAVE: I'd suggest at least reading the basic documentation on oit
[15:36] <ikonia> it
[15:36] <Okitain> sha1sum: there should be, absolutely, tty sessions.
[15:36] <Jpmh> sha1sum: this is an OLD laptop - 1G of memory though and runs GREAT from the USB stick
[15:36] <Jpmh> biut no RAID
[15:36] <rly> Are there *working* instructions for building and installing in grub a custom kernel on Ubuntu?
[15:36] <hitsujiTMO> rly: what version kernel did you build and what version are you using?
[15:37] <rly> hitsujiTMO: how is the latter even relevant?
[15:37] <saliak> I'm having issues with permissions in a shared directory (for a git server).  Not sure what i'm missing as i've done this before in the exact same way.  setup a group, gitusers, and set group ownership of the directory (/home/git), with g+rwx.  when i try to have a member of the group create a subdir (/home/git/foo.git) it fails.. http://pastebin.com/s9KhADBs.  any ideas?
[15:37] <ikonia> rly: just add the custom kernel to the grub menu, what part isn't clear ?
[15:37] <ikonia> rly: the version of grub is quite important
[15:37] <rly> ikonia: update-grub is supposed to pick it up automatically, no?
[15:37] <rly> ikonia: grub2
[15:37] <SPEEDWAVE> ikonia, hehehe i though i have to apt-get install hehehe!!! i just confuse.. hehehe
[15:37] <rly> I ran update-grub2 too.
[15:38] <Okitain> SPEEDWAVE: you may, it's just boldly stupid.
[15:38] <rly> hitsujiTMO: kernel version 3.12
[15:38] <SPEEDWAVE> Okitain, hehehe im just a beginner
[15:38] <hitsujiTMO> rly: from what i've seen update-grub will only add entries for the newest of kernels, if you compiled an older one then the newer ones will take precedence
[15:38] <ikonia> rly: if you look at the the rules in /etc/default/grub you can see the pattern matching it does to see a "valid" kernel
[15:38] <cariveri> sha1sum: aint the something like a repair disk for such cases?
[15:38] <rly> ikonia: ok, great.
[15:39] <rly> Now, if someone with an account could add that to the wiki....
[15:40] <rly> ikonia: in my default/grub file I see no such pattern defined.
[15:40] <jKlaus> Hey all.. could anyone possibly help me determine what is going on with my audio?  I worry that there is a problem with the hardware as I don't believe I have modified the OS at all since the last time the audio worked fine
[15:40] <ikonia> rly: really, it should have a list of directories/files it's searching
[15:40] <ikonia> rly: then the individual rules should be in /etc/grub.d (from memory)
[15:41] <SPEEDWAVE> Okitain, yah... i think i have to read those document...
[15:42] <loostro> hi, I have trouble starting supervisor service  "Starting supervisor: Error: Another program is already listening on a port that one of our HTTP servers is configured to use.  Shut this program down first before starting supervisord." error
[15:42] <cariveri> thanks a lot anyways!
[15:42] <sha1sum> cariveri: you could re-install over the existing installation. Basically without formatting
[15:43] <cariveri> sha1sum: I would have to reinstall all the software right?
[15:43] <Okitain> SPEEDWAVE: so is the installation working?
[15:43] <sha1sum> cariveri: it will keep the applications where possible I believe.
[15:44] <SPEEDWAVE> Okitain, yah.. its working and now its updating thanks a lot.. hehehe..
[15:44] <sha1sum> cariveri: I would still back up your stuff, though.
[15:44] <rly> ikonia: I can't say that this helps.
[15:44] <zipper> Uh how can I install the latest version of texlive on ubuntu? I got one which is from 2009 just yesterday from the repos.
[15:44] <zipper> I want the 2013  textlive.
[15:45] <cariveri> sha1sum: I dont know how to back it up. /home/ is on a seperate partition anyways.
[15:45] <saliak> agh, needed to logout/in
[15:46] <cariveri> sha1sum: and package usually spread their files. its not that I could jsut copy /usr/bin and everything is there. :(
[15:46] <Okitain> zipper: there is a 2012 version that is easily downloadable.
[15:46] <zipper> Okitain: how?
[15:46] <sha1sum> cariveri: yeah I meant mostly your home directory
[15:46] <zipper> Okitain: I ran sudo apt-get install texlive
[15:46] <sha1sum> cariveri: like an external drive of some sort, but if you don't have one, I guess you don't have that option :)
[15:46] <Okitain> zipper: for 1204, a repo called texlive-backports.
[15:47] <rymate1234|ubunt> hi
[15:47] <ikonia> rly: in what way ? you should be able to see individual rules the checks it does, and /etc/default/grub shows the base configuration for what's called
[15:47] <cariveri> sha1sum: how about downloading apt in from the net to install it and then reinstall all the broken other apps?
[15:47] <rymate1234|ubunt> I was wonderinnvm
[15:47] <rly> ikonia: you mean the script which runs?
[15:48] <zipper> Okitain: yeah I am on pangolin
[15:48] <johnjohn101> synaptic in 13.10 is jacked.  seems to be running so slow.  is it supported?
[15:48] <ikonia> rly: which script ?
[15:48] <rly> ikonia: I would be helped more by just knowing the pattern which it expects.
[15:48] <rly> ikonia: below /etc/grub.d
[15:48] <Okitain> zipper: https://launchpad.net/~texlive-backports/+archive/ppa/
[15:48] <Jpmh> so, I booted Windoze - horrible - ran chkdsk to see if it fixed the partition table - then re-tried my install - same ubi-partman error - any ideas?
[15:48] <ikonia> rly: the numbers show the order, eg: 00 = first 01 = second, 08 = third, it's sequential
[15:49] <therazr> zipper: https://launchpad.net/~texlive-backports/+archive/ppa most recent one I could find
[15:49] <rly> ikonia: yes, but I just want the custom kernel to come up automatically without me configuring it manually.
[15:49] <ikonia> rly: you shouldn't need to configure it manually, that's the reason for the dynamic grub config generation
[15:49] <rly> ikonia: so, the question is: how can I configure it such that I don't need to do anything manually?
[15:50] <rly> ikonia: the instructions on that wiki are not correct.
[15:50] <rly> ikonia: that's why I am asking here.
[15:50] <rly> Distributing an OS on which no custom kernels can be build is not useful.
[15:50] <ikonia> rly: in what way not correct, and to be honest, I don't like those instructions that tell it to do a deb build even if it fails
[15:51] <ikonia> rly: custom kernels can be built fine - it's nothing to do with the OS
[15:51] <rly> ikonia: they are not correct in that no grub entries come up.
[15:51] <ikonia> rly: those instructions in my view are not the best process to follow.
[15:51] <rly> ikonia: I already know that.
[15:51] <rly> ikonia: can you also say something constructive?
[15:51] <ikonia> rly: they could be correct - it depends on if your kernel build was sucessfull, which those instructions don't check
[15:51] <ikonia> rly: drop the attitude
[15:52] <rly> \exists x, instructions(x) and not_good(x)
[15:52] <marlo>  #tinc
[15:52] <rly> True, but not very useful.
[15:52] <ikonia> rly: I don't believe point 8 is a wise approach
[15:52] <rly> ikonia: I am trying to extract a useful response from you.
[15:52] <sha1sum> drop the attitude and get some aptitude lol
[15:52] <sha1sum> "extract": what a lovely way to put it
[15:52] <therazr> lol
[15:52] <ikonia> rly: I'll leave you to it then
[15:52] <rly> ikonia: but all you do is repeat trivial statements.
[15:53] <rly> ikonia: the question is clear.
[15:53] <rly> ikonia: you just don't want to answer it.
[15:53] <marlo> trying to install on win-2008 server, getting "no windows tap device found"... is there some unusual requirement for 2008 server?
[15:53] <deadman36g> can this script ls -F | grep . | while read line; do mktorrent -a "http://announce/url" -p "$line"; done be editied to not included the file extension in the torrent file?
[15:53] <rly> This leaves me at why you are even here pretending to answer questions in the first place.
[15:53] <ikonia> rly: what ? of course I do, that's why I'm working it through with you
[15:54] <alami> hello, i want to backup and newinstall ubuntu, i have backup all my data, and i don't know what else i have to backup??
[15:54] <sha1sum> alami: you may want to back up some files in /etc depending on what configurations you've customized.
[15:54] <marlo> sorry wrong channel
[15:54] <sha1sum> marlo: I was wondering ;)
[15:54] <marlo> lol
[15:54] <marlo> it's early
[15:54] <marlo> and sunday
[15:54] <therazr> marlo: lol
[15:55] <alami> sha1sum:yes i mean for google chrome, thunderbird and so on??
[15:55] <therazr> marlo: But Ubuntu is a good replacement for that win-server I tell you :D
[15:55] <marlo> if only...
[15:55] <sha1sum> alami: those should all be in the home directory for your user, preceeded by a period.
[15:55] <marlo> need to run some win 'server' apps, no choice!
[15:55] <sha1sum> alami: which are normally hidden for most file managers... You may want to make sure you back those up by showing hidden files and folders
[15:56] <alami> sha1sum: i have only to copy paste this folder? for example for thunderbird?
[15:56] <sha1sum> alami: yes... the safest way to go about it is to just copy and paste the entire folder under /home/ for your user
[15:57] <sha1sum> which will copy everything in it, hidden files and folders included
[15:57] <alami> sha1sum: i have never try that, i tought i have to make same configuratoin?
[15:58] <sha1sum> alami: the configuration for most of the applications are just in those hidden folders... there are some global "system-wide" configurations in /etc/, such as if you have any servers configured like apache web servers and the like
[15:59] <sha1sum> alami: having them in the user's home folder makes it possible to have the different configurations for different users, all portable... In other words, it's set up that way specifically for what you're trying to do, which is save your custom configurations
[15:59] <zipper> Say I have added the ppa texlive backports to my /etc/sorces.list and ran `apt-get update` how do I then get the file texlive from it? and do I have to uninstall the current texlive?
[16:00] <zipper> Never mind
[16:00] <zipper> I have the answer.
[16:00] <alami> sha1sum:if i backup .thunderbird folder, can i restor all my e-mails from it?
[16:00] <daniel156161> Hi
[16:00] <Patero-ng> does ubuntu server gets the time from stored files or from the bios? cause I did ntpdate ntp.ubuntu.com yesterday and now is telling me it's 6 hours later then it is help
[16:01] <therazr> zipper: If texlive is installed, just upgrade. Otherwise just install it :S
[16:01] <sha1sum> alami: yes. could be .thunderbird and could also be .thunderbird
[16:01] <sha1sum> alami: which should also save all of the account information as well
[16:02] <sha1sum> alami: sorry I meant could be .thunderbird and could also be .mozilla-thunderbird
[16:02] <daniel156161> Hi
[16:03] <zipper> therazr: I just ran `apt-get install texlive` and it will upgrade automatically.
[16:03] <alami> sha1sum: aha so no need to open thunderbird, and serach for import/export e-mails?
[16:04] <therazr> zipper: You should run a 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' from that repo
[16:04] <Jordan_U> Patero-ng: Are you dual booting with Windows? Have you booted Windows since running ntpdate?
[16:04] <sha1sum> Patero-ng: could be the time zone that's set up or it could be that you need to write the time to the BIOS using "sudo hwclock --systohc"
[16:04] <sha1sum> not sure if ntpdate takes care of the hardware clock or not
[16:04] <johnjohn101> ever since upgrading to 13.10 from 13.04 synaptic is basically unusable. is that anything I can try to fix it?
[16:05] <Patero-ng> sha1sum: good point
[16:05] <Patero-ng> Jordan_U: no I haven't got into windows yet
[16:05] <jackstrar> Hi, I have just downloaded a wifi driver for my adapter and need to know how I can build the tar.gz file in ubuntu asuming it is on my desktop
[16:06] <Patero-ng> sha1sum: so does ubuntu gets the current time from bios when I don't have time servers
[16:06] <sha1sum> jackstrar: a tar.gz file is basically compressed files, something like a zip file. You should be able to open it and extract the files.
[16:07] <sha1sum> jackstrar: then the installation procedure depends on the way the developers intended it to be installed. Instructions may be in a file similar to the name "README" or "INSTALL"
[16:07] <jackstrar> ok that makes sense but how do i install it since it does not include a .exe file
[16:07] <sha1sum> jackstrar: some developers are notoriously bad about writing the installation documentation. Hopefully yours were not :)
[16:08] <sha1sum> jackstrar: .exe files are mostly exclusive to Windows (and DOS if they're ancient)
[16:08] <sha1sum> ennaa is spamming channel members, btw
[16:08] <reisio> jackstrar: what's this you're trying to install?
[16:08] <sha1sum> !ops
[16:08] <jackstrar> there is a file called "makefile" is that any good?
[16:09] <sha1sum> whoops I don't know if this classifies as an "emergency"
[16:09] <jackstrar> its a broadcom wifi adapter driver (proprietary)
[16:09] <sha1sum> just didn't know if you wanted people going around spamming
[16:09] <jKlaus> anyone have an issue of their computer always porting audio to the headphone jack
[16:09] <reisio> sha1sum: not your fault the bot is spammy :p
[16:09] <reisio> jackstrar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Configure_script
[16:10] <k1l_> sha1sum: use this bot-command only for emergencies. you can report pm-spammers in #ubuntu-ops all the time or talk to the channel-mods if needed
[16:10] <sha1sum> thanks -- my bad :)
[16:11] <reisio> meanwhile, spammer still in channel
[16:11] <sha1sum> I closed the query so I can't even provide proof lol
[16:11] <reisio> some of the more interesting spam I've seen
[16:11] <reisio> it's a webcam of a goldfish aquarium
[16:11] <sha1sum> oh lovely
[16:11] <reisio> oh, there's another type of fish
[16:11] <k1l_> reisio: you know the rules. please keep that comments of that channel. if you have something to ad please talk to the mods in #ubuntu-ops
[16:12] <reisio> you just said we could talk to channel mods about spammers
[16:12] <k1l_> reisio: not in here. this is a support channel
[16:12] <reisio> oooooh
[16:12] <sha1sum> k1l_: sorry I interrupted your flow :P
[16:15] <IdleOne> reisio: would you be so kind to tell me who is sending the spam PM's?
[16:15] <sha1sum> IdleOne: already gone. Was ennaa
[16:15] <IdleOne> ah, ok thanks sha1sum
[16:16] <reisio> what he said
[16:16] <sha1sum> Meanwhile, in the world of Ubuntu support...
[16:17]  * sha1sum takes support off of pause
[16:18] <asdf__> hallo
[16:20] <mrafiq> hi
[16:21] <frxstrem> I have a computer (about 10 years old, running XP) that I have to repurpose with Ubuntu, with a user interface simple enough that my 70-some-year-old grandma can use it -- any pointers to Ubuntu-based distros or software I can use to set it up to be both very user friendly and lightweight?
[16:21] <ikonia> frxstrem: you're only really target is lubuntu
[16:21] <hitsujiTMO> frxstrem: you'd be better off with lubuntu or xubuntu
[16:21] <theadmin> frxstrem: Lubuntu is very lightweight. User-friendly enough too... As much as it gets with these lightweight distros anyway
[16:21] <k1l_> !lubuntu | frxstrem
[16:21] <therazr> 10 years old is a lot. Tell the Processor and RAM of it
[16:22] <ikonia> a fair point
[16:22] <frxstrem> 1.4 GHz, 512 MB RAM (I think, haven't checked)
[16:22] <ikonia> again back to lubuntu
[16:22] <theadmin> Lubuntu will run nicely on this
[16:23] <jKlaus> So Alsa mixer is showing the "Speaker" volume being muted when I plug the headphones in and shows the volume going back up to 100 when I unplug the headphones but I still do not get any audio out of the speakers
[16:23] <jKlaus> anyone have any thoughts?
[16:24] <frxstrem> as I suspected, but my biggest concern is that Lubuntu's interface might be too complicated (I'd want something with big, simple buttons or something like that)
[16:24] <therazr> ikonia: Does that system support PAE already?
[16:25] <theadmin> frxstrem: Eh, well... Ubuntu's default interface is like that but unfortunately it's more heavy than a box like this would pull off..
[16:25] <theadmin> frxstrem: Lubuntu is quite easy. Dunno about grandmas though.
[16:25] <reisio> frxstrem: I don't have much experience with LXDE, but Xfce is quite configurable with regard to size of things
[16:26] <otak__> frxstrem: lxlauncher if you like blue
[16:26] <zykotick9> therazr: does lubuntu require PAE?  kinda silly if it does.
[16:27] <UrielVigilant> i connected ubuntu 13.10 to AV in my tv but it dont detect . What i need to install ?
[16:28] <reisio> UrielVigilant: what port is coming out of the computer?
[16:28] <frxstrem> otak_: oh, I'll look into lxlauncher, looks like what I want
[16:29] <therazr> zykotick9: I thought every 32-bit installation using the ubuntu packages required PAE, but I might be wrong :P
[16:29] <johnjohn101> i think i figured out why synaptic is running slow.  I stopped my onboard and now it run normally. I need to know what category I should open an issue under.
[16:29] <ikonia> youre onboard what ?
[16:29] <ikonia> your
[16:30] <UrielVigilant> reisio: s-video port
[16:30] <zykotick9> therazr: actually... i don't "think" you are.  ;)
[16:30] <reisio> UrielVigilant: what graphics driver
[16:31] <UrielVigilant> intel graphics media acelerator 950
[16:33] <UrielVigilant> reisio: i dont know what graphic irvers iam using. but hardware is intel graphics media acelerator 950
[16:34] <rip> Hi all
[16:35] <rip> Looking for some help in resolving a wireless issue ?
[16:35] <brian-mann> Hey fellas.  I've got two 2tb hard drives in RAID 1 mode.  Prior to creating the RAID I deleted all of their partitions.   Then I formatted the RAID with 1 partition (ext4).  Interestingly though, when I look at Gparted, the original drives both show unformatted.  Is this correct?
[16:35] <hitsujiTMO> !details | rip
[16:35] <Jordan_U> brian-mann: Please pastebin the output of "sudo parted -l".
[16:36] <rymate1234> my mouse is too fast under linux, even at the lowest speed.
[16:37] <rip> ok thanks guys, its a strange one so bare with me, its ubuntu 12.04, kernel version 3.2.0-51 intel wireless chip 2230, i have address information from dhcp, i have an arp entry for the gateway, i can ping the stack and the nic with success but cannot ping the gateway or remote networks :(
[16:38] <_raven_> xubuntu 13.10 - how to install nautilus 3.4* with all old functions?
[16:38] <hitsujiTMO> rip can you give us the output of: ifconfig
[16:38] <UrielVigilant> reisio: i have to change graphic driver to be able to reproduce ubuntu on tv ?
[16:38] <hitsujiTMO> rip, what are you using to configure the wireless?
[16:38] <reisio> rymate1234: http://linuxreviews.org/howtos/xfree/mouse_speed_in_x/
[16:39] <reisio> rymate1234: stopgap
[16:39] <sabret00the> anyone else getting a 404 on the binary-i386/Packages when trying to upgrade to 14.04 alphas?
[16:39] <rip> wlan0     Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 60:36:dd:53:3b:6c
[16:39] <rip>           inet addr:192.168.1.6  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
[16:39] <rip>           inet6 addr: fe80::6236:ddff:fe53:3b6c/64 Scope:Link
[16:39] <rip>           UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[16:39] <rip>           RX packets:58 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[16:39] <FloodBot1> rip: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:39] <rip>           TX packets:64 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[16:39] <Jordan_U> !pastebin | rip
[16:40] <rip> ok sorry, just gave the floodbot a heart attack, my apologise
[16:42] <rip> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6313275/plain/
[16:43] <rip> im not sure if its a routing issue or a driver
[16:43] <hitsujiTMO> rip: whats the ouput of: arp
[16:43] <_raven_> xubuntu 13.10 - how to install nautilus 3.4* with all old functions?
[16:44] <rip> ? (192.168.1.1) at 80:b6:86:c3:69:58 [ether] on eth0
[16:44] <Jordan_U> rip: You have two interfaces on the same network.
[16:44] <hitsujiTMO> rip there should be more than 1 line
[16:45] <rip> ok, if i put the eth0 down though, i still get the same problems
[16:47] <hitsujiTMO> rip: can you give the output of arp, there should have been more than one line
[16:48] <rip> ok sure 2 seconds
[16:48] <rip> here is the routing table
[16:48] <rip> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6313307/plain/
[16:48] <rip> doing arp now
[16:49] <rip> this is all i get from arp
[16:49] <rip> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6313312/plain/
[16:49] <hitsujiTMO> rip can you bring down eth0 and get the routing table again ....
[16:50] <rip> hitsujiTMO: Sure but i will disconnect temporary be right back
[16:50] <hitsujiTMO> np
[16:50] <johnjohn101> my synaptic/onboard bug is this  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synaptic/+bug/1244474
[16:51] <Jordan_U> rip: Please pastebin the output of "route -n" with only one interface active.
[16:51] <rip> ok here is wlan0 only
[16:51] <rip> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6313322/plain/
[16:52] <UrielVigilant> some one know how to make ubuntu reproducing on tv, via s-video to scart  av1 cable ?
[16:52] <hitsujiTMO> why does wlan have a metric of 2?
[16:53] <hitsujiTMO> rip, how is eth0 configured? dhcp?
[16:53] <rip> yes
[16:53] <rip> so is wlan0
[16:54] <hitsujiTMO> rip, not sure whats causing the metric of 2. its quite a bizare oddity
[16:55] <rip> thats what i thought, theres usually a 3rd entry with just wireless but i am not seeing it now
[16:55] <rip> i have no idea how to get it working :(
[16:56] <rip> i also see this occasionally
[16:56] <rip> 169.254.0.0     0.0.0.0         255.255.0.0     U     1000   0        0 eth
[16:56] <hitsujiTMO> thats when you get no dhcp reply but link is up
[16:57] <hitsujiTMO> can you show us the output of arp when eth0 is down
[16:57] <rip> sure brb
[16:57] <zipper> uh could anyone here explain to me how to install moderncv in ubuntu?
[16:57] <k1l_> !find moderncv
[16:57] <morsnowski> anybody knows a good tv card for use under ubuntu?
[16:57] <Jordan_U> rip: It might be worth taking both interfaces down, then bringing just one back up.
[16:59] <k1l_> zipper: install texlive-latex-extra
[16:59] <reisio> morsnowski: mythtv keeps a support db, IIRC
[17:00] <rip> ok here is arp with wlan0
[17:00] <rip> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6313366/plain/
[17:00] <morsnowski> reisio: will check
[17:00] <rip> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6313366/plain/
[17:00] <UrielVigilant> reisio : now its working using mirror, but it is on black and wite . why ?
[17:00] <_raven_> xubuntu 13.10 - how to install nautilus 3.4* with all old functions?
[17:01] <rip> tried that still no joy
[17:01] <rip> could it be a driver issue ?
[17:01] <reisio> UrielVigilant: hrrm?
[17:02] <kyle__> Since there's no mir in slutty salamander, will 14.01 have it?
[17:02] <robdog> guys i am looking around the distro's and i am trying to find a better vesion for audio production...any advice..
[17:02] <hitsujiTMO> rip, what are you getting for the output of with only wlan0: ping 192.168.1.1
[17:02] <reisio> kyle__: let me find my crystal ball
[17:02] <reisio> robdog: what's the problem?
[17:02] <hitsujiTMO> robdog: have you looked at unbuntu studio?
[17:02] <Jordan_U> rip: What is the output of "ping 192.168.1.1"?
[17:02] <k1l_> robdog: ubuntu-studio got that as a focus
[17:03] <rip> noting
[17:03] <rip> nothing *
[17:03] <zipper> k1l_: but I have installed texlive with `apt-get install texlive` Is there a way to add moderncv alone? It's really a large file to download.
[17:03] <robdog> well ubuntu studion is ok but is a little resource heavy and i cant runn pluggins and applications as i would like
[17:03] <intrader> Hi all, I am trying to upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10, but update manager offers 14.04 only
[17:03] <zexcriz> there must be torrent download for ubuntu.
[17:03] <hitsujiTMO> rip: you're going to have to get some sort of reply... whats the error
[17:03] <rip> 2 secs
[17:03] <hitsujiTMO> rip can you pastebin the exact error
[17:04] <k1l_> intrader: dont use -d as option
[17:04] <andry_> test :P
[17:04] <k1l_> intrader: set the release prompt to regular (not lts)
[17:04] <Jordan_U> zexcriz: You can only skip releases by going from one LTS release to another, or by re-installing. Ubuntu installation images are available via torrent.
[17:04] <robdog> i was thinking using mint 15/16  cinnimon.....   is that lighter in resources?
[17:04] <theadmin> robdog: Mint is not a supported derivative.
[17:04] <robdog> hmmm... ubuntu based?
[17:05] <zexcriz> Jordan_U, i can't find ubuntu server 12.04.3 64 bit image to download over torrent
[17:05] <k1l_> robdog: for distro comparison ask in ##linux
[17:05] <kyle__> reisio: I just figured someone might know or have read a blog post.  Searching for mir & ubuntu right now gives you a ton of slightly dated articles about 13.10.
[17:05] <hitsujiTMO> robdog: no untuntu-studio os xfce based iirc so would be lighter
[17:05] <morsnowski> reisio: you wouldn't have a link to that db handy?
[17:05] <k1l_> zexcriz: see http://releases.ubuntu.com/precise/
[17:06] <morsnowski> reisio: ok got it, sorry
[17:06] <reisio> kyle__: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_%28software%29#Ubuntu
[17:06] <reisio> morsnowski: gj
[17:06] <k1l_> kyle__: it was not made default in 13.10 but you could still test it if you like
[17:07] <kyle__> reisio: thanks.
[17:07] <kyle__> k1l_: I may try that
[17:07] <robdog> is there an audio production channel?
[17:07] <k1l_> kyle__: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mir/
[17:08] <hitsujiTMO> !alis robdog
[17:08] <hitsujiTMO> !alis | robdog
[17:08] <LjL> robdog: #ubuntustudio may be of interest
[17:08] <MonkeyDust> robdog  better ask in #ubuntustudio
[17:08] <MonkeyDust> LjL  was faster :)
[17:09] <robdog> ok thank you
[17:11] <Diplomatico> Hello, if I use a live cd, what happens to saved changes, installing programs, and more important, downloading files?
[17:11] <reisio> Diplomatico: poof
[17:11] <reisio> gone
[17:11] <MonkeyDust> Diplomatico  they're gone when you reboot
[17:11] <Diplomatico> Ah...
[17:11] <Diplomatico> But,
[17:11] <k1l_> Diplomatico: make a persistent live version. that stores the changes
[17:11] <zexcriz> k1l_, :0
[17:11] <zexcriz> :)
[17:11] <Diplomatico> anyway, they do download?, and if they do, where?
[17:12] <MonkeyDust> Diplomatico  /usr/bin is the default folder
[17:12] <SchrodingersScat> Diplomatico: a liveUSB is a little easier for persistence
[17:13] <Jordan_U> Diplomatico: To the directories found at the normal paths, it's just that all of the changes to the filesystem are stored in RAM (specifically an aufs overlay between the read only squashfs image and a read-write tmpfs).
[17:13] <_raven_> xubuntu 13.10 - how to install nautilus 3.4* with all old functions?
[17:13] <rip> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6313440/plain/
[17:13] <Diplomatico> Live usb is a good option...But I will try the cd anyway.
[17:13] <rip> ping results
[17:13] <Wiz_KeeD> hey guys!
[17:14] <reisio> hey wiz
[17:14] <Wiz_KeeD> sup reisio ?
[17:14] <reisio> not much, sunday
[17:14] <reisio> sup with you?
[17:14] <Wiz_KeeD> lotta food and sitting around, sunday indeed!
[17:14] <subz3r0> !ot > reisio
[17:14] <Wiz_KeeD> !ot > Wiz_KeeD
[17:15] <reisio> subz3r0: finding out what people want is not off topic
[17:15] <robdog> ok so i am still a huge newbie here but i cant seem to find what i am looking for can some one point me to it....how do i find the linux rooms?
[17:15] <subz3r0> !ot
[17:15]  * reisio headdesks
[17:15] <reisio> robdog: for what?
[17:15] <subz3r0> head -> wall, head -> wall...
[17:15] <Wiz_KeeD> XD
[17:15] <Wiz_KeeD> Does anyone know if I buy a laptop with a optical drive and remove it and add the tray that can support a hdd, what transfer speed I will have?
[17:15] <robdog> well i am looking for audio production stuff and what distro is lighter in resources so i can better runn stuff
[17:16] <Jordan_U> robdog: You can make Ubuntu as light as you want it.
[17:16] <robdog> ubuntu studio isnt cutting it...
[17:16] <Diplomatico> I tried ubuntu studio and the apps weren't good enough, compared to windows.
[17:17] <rip> i cant communicate with the router
[17:17] <reisio> Wiz_KeeD: probably whatever P/ATA does
[17:17] <robdog> well....i want free.. and this is it... the stuff works the way i want it to just studio.. is to resource heavy
[17:17] <reisio> Wiz_KeeD: depends on the connection
[17:17] <MonkeyDust> Diplomatico  use the programs that suit your needs best
[17:17] <Wiz_KeeD> I'm curious how I can find out...
[17:17] <Diplomatico> Of course, monkey, that's why i just changed to plain ubuntu.
[17:18] <Jordan_U> robdog: You can either use the minimal install CD to install only the packages you want, or start with Lubuntu as a base.
[17:18] <Wiz_KeeD> Since i'm thinking I can get a laptop with a 500gig hdd, take the optical drive, chuck it, and place a ssd in the place of the original one
[17:18] <reisio> Wiz_KeeD: hdparm
[17:18] <jack> robdog, to and too are two different words
[17:18] <Wiz_KeeD> And I will be using the other hdd only as storage so it won't matter that much
[17:18] <jack> (sorry)
[17:18] <Jordan_U> robdog: Or just install and use LXDE in Ubuntu Studio. All flavors of Ubuntu use the same repositories.
[17:18] <robdog> lubuntu would install some things with Ardour and Musescore... i tried already ... lol
[17:18] <reisio> robdog: install a lighter DE on ubuntu studio and use that
[17:18] <robdog> i am using lxde
[17:19] <Wiz_KeeD> woah, a lot of arguments reisio :D
[17:19] <reisio> robdog: lxde should be pretty light
[17:19] <reisio> Wiz_KeeD: yeah
[17:19] <robdog> hmmm...
[17:19] <reisio> Wiz_KeeD: look at -T and -t, IIRC
[17:19] <robdog> having issues with ram... i got 3 gigs
[17:19] <reisio> robdog: is that the issue?
[17:19] <Jordan_U> robdog: What are you noticing that's "too heavy"?
[17:19] <robdog> and the kernal is the real time kernal
[17:19] <Wiz_KeeD> Perform device read timings, niceee
[17:19] <Wiz_KeeD> I suppose I need some data in it...
[17:19] <Wiz_KeeD> like a cd of any type
[17:19] <jack> reisio, i think fluxbox is even lighter
[17:20] <Wiz_KeeD> but optical drive might be slowe than hdd
[17:20] <robdog> well i can runn only 2-3 plugins in ardour befor i start getting xruns and i cant runn ardour and hydrogen together befor massive slowing
[17:20] <reisio> jack: course it is
[17:20] <reisio> does a lot less
[17:20] <robdog> i cant
[17:21] <cariveri> hitsujiTMO: reinstalling apt did not work out: http://pastebin.com/sUQBM2jz
[17:21] <gladosv2> Hi guys, not sure if itś the right place to ask - I need pygst on my system but can't figure out what package I need for that
[17:21] <k1l_> robdog: are you sure your hardware suits your software needs at all?
[17:21] <intrader> kil_ when I use -d it offers 14.04
[17:21] <k1l_> intrader: yes, you are misusing the -d
[17:21] <robdog> amd turion 64 x2.... 3 gigs ram  ubuntu studio latest with lxde
[17:21] <k1l_> intrader: its for "developement release" not for regular upgrade
[17:22] <jack> reisio, maybe recommend fluxbuntu then
[17:22] <k1l_> robdog: turion is an old cpu
[17:22] <robdog> yeah....
[17:22] <jack> to ppl like robdog
[17:22] <robdog> yeah jack?
[17:22] <reisio> jack: he can try fluxbox on whatever he's using already
[17:22] <reisio> robdog: ^
[17:22] <robdog> flux box
[17:22] <Flannel> intrader: You need to switch yourself from LTS to "every" release.  /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades is what you'll edit, change "lts" to "normal".  Then, update-manager (no -d) will upgrade you to 12.10.
[17:22] <rip> how can i uninstall the iwlwifi driver and replace it with a new one
[17:22] <jack> true
[17:23] <k1l_> robdog: 2006-2008 and misses alot of the new supports for multimedia that new cpus got
[17:23] <robdog> whats so good about it ?
[17:23] <robdog> ahh.. ok
[17:23] <reisio> robdog: fluxbox? Being a window manager alone, and not a desktop environment, it will reduce the resources required
[17:23] <reisio> but it also does less
[17:23] <reisio> it probably won't free up enough to make a real different, though
[17:23] <reisio> if a turion x2 and 3gb of ram isn't enough
[17:24] <robdog> ok and will it run ardour, mussce and hydrogen
[17:24] <jack> damn easy anyway, to turn onebuntu into anotherbuntu :)
[17:24] <reisio> either ardour/its plugins are quite badly made, or your requirements exceed your hardware
[17:24] <xwalk> reisio: Do you think he would be better off with Openbox and a tint2 panel?
[17:24] <reisio> xwalk: than with what?
[17:24] <xwalk> reisio: Fluxbox
[17:24] <jack> xwalk, fluxbox ftw!
[17:24] <reisio> fluxbox & openbox are pretty close, so not particularly
[17:25] <reisio> and LXDE and openbox are pretty close, too
[17:25] <intrader> kil_ bash: cd: /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades: Not a directory
[17:25] <k1l_> i dont think another desktop will help him in that case. his requirements exeed his hardware, imho
[17:25] <robdog> reisio: would flux box run ardour, muscore, hrydrogen?
[17:25] <k1l_> intrader: that is a file, not a folder
[17:26] <Jordan_U> robdog: Any Window Manager will run any normal application.
[17:26] <reisio> robdog: forget about fluxbox, won't help you
[17:26] <robdog> hmmm... poop
[17:26] <BlackDex> Hello there... Is there a Ambiance Theme with dark menu's, also for GTK2+ applications?? It seems that GTK3 has dark menu's, but the GTK2 doesn't...
[17:26] <reisio> robdog: what happens with ardour, again?
[17:26] <intrader> kil_ I found release-upgrades.d
[17:26] <robdog> my resources are enough to runn and deal just cant figure whats the deal?
[17:26] <reisio> BlackDex: http://art.gnome.org/
[17:26] <xwalk> BlackDex: Also, gnome-look.org
[17:27] <k1l_> intrader: just go to the software&updates setting in system settings and change in the release-prompt in the 3rd tab into "every update" from "lts only"
[17:27] <jack> robdog, your wm never runs an app
[17:27] <gladosv2> Hi guys, not sure if itś the right place to ask - I need pygst on my system but can't figure out what package I need for that
[17:27] <robdog> well it seam to laggy and "heavy"  wich i explain with it not being able to run multiple pluggin and ardour and hydrogen together gets to many xruns
[17:27] <jack> it only cooperates (or not)
[17:28] <k1l_> !find pygst
[17:28] <SchrodingersScat> gladosv2: try an apt-cache search python.gst
[17:28] <SchrodingersScat> oh :/
[17:28] <robdog> jack: got it... just looking for a lighter" fix or an setting change or soemthing
[17:28] <k1l_> gladosv2: see packages File pygst found in python-gst0.10, python-gst0.10-dev
[17:29] <intrader> kil_ after rebooting I get 12.10 offered
[17:29] <jack> robdog, i think fluxbox or lxde are what you need
[17:29] <robdog> hmmm....k
[17:29] <robdog> and flux will runn the programs fine?
[17:29] <intrader> kil_ I am upgrading- thanks
[17:29] <jack> sure
[17:30] <jack> it's only a wm
[17:30] <robdog> k ill take a look....does it support a RT kernal
[17:30] <robdog> ahhh.....
[17:30] <jack> of course
[17:30] <xwalk> gladosv2: In the future when you're looking for a package you don't know the name of, try using apt-cache search <some search terms>.
[17:30] <robdog> WM... i though you were mentioning another distro
[17:30] <gladosv2> thanks xwalk, k1l_ and SchrodingersScat :) Seems to be working :D
[17:30] <BlackDex> Thx.. Found something wich i can use :)
[17:30] <jack> nope
[17:30] <robdog> how would i get it?
[17:31] <Wiz_KeeD> reisio, and if I'm not mistaking in Ubuntu I can unmount the hdd from the optical bay so it's not active and stay only on ssd which provides much lower power consumption and higher performance, am I right?
[17:31] <SchrodingersScat> gladosv2: great
[17:31] <reisio> Wiz_KeeD: you can power it down most likely, yes
[17:31] <robdog> so i can change back and forth?
[17:31] <jack> fluxbox = wm, fluxbuntu =ubuntu based on it
[17:31] <jack> yes of course
[17:31] <robdog> where do i go for it?
[17:31] <reisio> Wiz_KeeD: if it doesn't on its own, hdparm or sdparm can possibly force it to
[17:32] <Wiz_KeeD> So i'll just setup some bash scripts to run on boot and will open it up only when I need it and I do backups and stuff
[17:32] <jack> robdog, sudo apt-get install fluxbox
[17:32] <robdog> jack: gotcha...
[17:33] <jack> or search for a fluxbuntu iso to install from
[17:33] <robdog> and do i need to log out to start it? or something?
[17:33] <jack> depends
[17:33] <robdog> yeah
[17:33] <robdog> k
[17:33] <reisio> LXDE is just a glorified openbox already
[17:34] <robdog> will look at it here asap....
[17:34] <jack> but pretty cool, reisio
[17:34] <xwalk> robdog: Depending on the display manager you're using, any new DE or WM can be selected from the session menu.
[17:34] <k1l> robdog: of course you need to relogin for a desktop change
[17:34] <reisio> jack: point being fluxbox likely won't make much of an impact
[17:35] <robdog> hmmm ok i am using ubuntu studio......i think its lxde
[17:35] <robdog> ahhh i see
[17:35] <jack> reisio, true - but you know, some ppl like it
[17:36] <robdog> do you guys run audio productio stuff too?
[17:36] <jack> ardour+audacity
[17:36] <robdog> what your experience thus far with ardour
[17:36] <Diplomatico> (livecd)What about if it's a momentary download, where is it stored, does it delete itself on shutdown?
[17:37] <robdog> i got the brand new version ...
[17:37] <subz3r0> robdog: friend of mine is using ubuntu studio for professional things... it also works very well with his MPC
[17:37] <robdog> hmm...
[17:37] <subz3r0> and some other new audio hardware... but no idea what kind of :)
[17:38] <subz3r0> im not that into that things. so no idea what the new hardware is
[17:38] <robdog> i am trying to use it for pro stuff.. but i was addicted to MAC
[17:38] <subz3r0> just remember some "Roland" xy...
[17:38] <middey> Hello guys.
[17:38] <middey> I have a problem with my ubuntu 12.04.
[17:38] <middey> I can't use apt-get update. Because some hosts fail to resolv.
[17:38] <middey> But i can ping them.
[17:38] <middey> Has anyone an idea what the problem can be ?
[17:38] <FloodBot1> middey: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:38] <subz3r0> kinda expensive this stuff :)
[17:38] <k1l> !paste | middey please put the output there
[17:39] <robdog> lol.... yeah.... why i am using ubuntu now..
[17:40] <subz3r0> robdog: anyways... have fun with making music on linux... gottta take a bath... :)
[17:40] <robdog> lol... thank ... k
[17:41] <robdog> resio: i see you in the linux channel but i cant type.... whats the deal?
[17:42] <robdog> reisio: how do you type in the ##linux channel? wont let me
[17:43] <reisio> /msg nickserv help register
[17:43] <reisio> /msg nickserv help identify
[17:43] <k1l> robdog: see the /topic in that channel or ask in #freenode for help
[17:43] <robdog> k
[17:45] <middey> k1l ubottu heres the paste http://paste.ubuntu.com/6313626/
[17:46] <k1l> middey: you see the errormessage that is at the end?
[17:47] <middey> k1l yes but i can ping the host without problems
[17:47] <Diplomatico> If I use a livecd, how can I use programs that are not installed in the cd?
[17:48] <master_j> which version of ubuntu has the fastest boot time?
[17:48] <master_j> i heard it was 11.10 but that version just expired
[17:48] <OerHeks> Diplomatico, you can install them, they stay in memory, but disappear when you reboot
[17:48] <OerHeks> master_j, the latest, i guess
[17:49] <Diplomatico> No way!!Isn't there any way to keep them permanently maybe in the HD and be called from the live cd?
[17:49] <k1l> middey: its the transmission PPA that makes the trouble. dont know if there is something wrong with it
[17:49] <master_j> i don't know if that's the correct guess, the versions don't necessarily get faster boots, do they?
[17:50] <OerHeks> Diplomatico, no, but you can make an USB with the free space allocated for persistant packages
[17:50] <master_j> i remember the version after 11.10 being a slower boot
[17:50] <ChogyDan> Diplomatico: maybe try a pendrive install?  That would work for a usb
[17:50] <k1l> master_j: that depends on hardware and installed software.
[17:50] <OerHeks> master_j, yes, my experience is it is faster
[17:50] <Diplomatico> Ok, so just in CD is a no go with permanent programs installed.
[17:50] <master_j> ok, thanks OerHeks
[17:51] <Frank81> hello can some one help me i wanna try to rm -rf the output of dir
[17:51] <master_j> i might partition my 500gb for a couple different distros.
[17:51] <Frank81> i do dir | rm -rf {}
[17:51] <Frank81> but that don't work
[17:51] <master_j> thinking of actually setting aside a home partition. i never do that.
[17:51] <Frank81> i wanna do that coz i wanna del all excluded the .bla folders
[17:51] <ChogyDan> Frank81: maybe ask in #bash
[17:51] <Frank81> good ida thx
[17:52] <master_j> 5 100gb partitions would be good, right? one for home, one for windows, and 3 for linux?
[17:52] <master_j> oh, i was going to do a data one... should my home be ntfs?
[17:52] <Sazpaimon_> this may be a better question for #ubuntu-server, but how does raid10 performance compare between mdadm and lvm?
[17:52] <ChogyDan> master_j: I don't think you need more than 20g for a linux install with a separate /home
[17:53] <k1l> master_j: your home can not be ntfs
[17:53] <k1l> master_j: ubuntu partitions should be ext4
[17:53] <master_j> 20g! wow cool i'd like to have about 5 parts for linux distros
[17:53] <Sazpaimon_> for the record I made my home directory NTFS once before and it was perfectly okay. Not that I reccomend it though, as it took some tweaking of ntfs-3g to map users and ACLs together
[17:54] <ChogyDan> master_j: yeah, 20g at most.  I think you can get by with just 10g if you are just trying out different distros
[17:54] <_raven_> 13.10 how to install old nautilus (3.4*) with ALL FEATURES?
[17:54] <SchrodingersScat> Sazpaimon_: sounds terrible
[17:54] <master_j> well, i need to create a seperate data partition then to share data with windows.. or do i...
[17:54] <master_j> well, i'm not just trying them out, i want to keep them probably.
[17:54] <Sazpaimon_> SchrodingersScat, it was a 30 minute procedure altogether
[17:54] <gui8765r> I am attempting to export all wireless drivers from ubuntu, where can i find them?
[17:54] <k1l> master_j: yes, that data partition should be ntfs
[17:54] <reisio> gui8765r: export?
[17:55] <master_j> ok
[17:55] <gui8765r> copy
[17:55] <master_j> thanks for the help guys!
[17:55] <middey> k1l i removed it now but now archive.ubuntu.com makes problems. Maybe the connection is to bad but i don't think so because it is a vps. W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/Release.gpg  Temporary failure resolving 'archive.ubuntu.com'
[17:55] <Sazpaimon_> I already had my home directory partitioned out in windows, so it was just a matter of mounting that partition as /home in linux
[17:55] <k1l> Sazpaimon_: that is not supported. use ext* for ubuntu partitions
[17:55] <ChogyDan> gui8765r: maybe if you explain why, we could help further
[17:55] <Sazpaimon_> also, why reccomend ntfs for shared data partitions
[17:55] <Sazpaimon_> wouldnt exfat be more performant for both OSes?
[17:55] <master_j> never heard of exfat
[17:56] <saket> Facing the problem "could not calculate upgrade" while updating from 13.04 to 13.10
[17:56] <ChogyDan> Sazpaimon_: fat32 works, but it has a size limit I think
[17:56] <k1l> Sazpaimon_: 4GB barrier
[17:56] <Sazpaimon_> exfat != fat32
[17:56] <master_j> i never had any probs with a ntfs share
[17:56] <master_j> besides slowness
[17:56] <Sazpaimon_> exfat has a 16EiB file size limit
[17:56] <gui8765r> i have several live distros on a "multiboot iso usb", some support my wireless card, some don't.. I figure I can just copy them all from ubuntu to the USB and them when I need them I can copy them from USB into the live filesystem
[17:57] <k1l> Sazpaimon_: exfat is even not full suported by all windows versions
[17:57] <ChogyDan> gui8765r: i thought drivers of all kinds were included in the kernel.  Except maybe broadcom wireless...
[17:57] <Sazpaimon_> its supported by every windows version made in the last 5 years
[17:57] <Sazpaimon_> I think that's fair enough
[17:57] <gui8765r> this is also going to be my "rescue usb" for when i get conned into repairing friends and familys broken pcs
[17:58] <k1l> Sazpaimon_: not fair enough. ntfs is full supported form windows and ubuntu
[17:58] <gui8765r> ChogyDan, maybe in ubuntu? not working in other distros
[17:58] <Sazpaimon_> ntfs is also slow on ubuntu compared to other filesystems
[17:59] <Sazpaimon_> if you're only going to be using a recent version of windows and recent version of linux on your machine, why not use exfat?
[17:59] <master_j> (80gb Win7)(50gb Ubuntu)(50gb Debian)(50gb Mint)(50gb Linux)(50gb Linux)(160gb Data)(10gb Swap)
[17:59] <master_j> that's what i'm thinking
[17:59] <master_j> how does that look?
[17:59] <Sazpaimon_> in fact, i think even windows xp has an exfat support patch
[17:59] <master_j> oh, i forgot home
[17:59] <Sazpaimon_> so what, are you going to argue that if he cant use a windows 2000 install, don't use exfat?
[18:00] <reisio> not had any problems using ntfs
[18:00] <master_j> ooh, should i install XP too? ;)
[18:00] <master_j> nah
[18:00] <reisio> xp 2? you might see that next year
[18:00] <ekem> ubuntu desktop blows
[18:00] <master_j> lol
[18:00] <k1l> master_j: if you seperate the /home 50GB is way too much. a fulll desktop ubuntu takes 5-15GB for /
[18:00] <Sazpaimon_> my argument is that while ntfs works in linux, it's not as performant as exfat is
[18:00] <ChogyDan> master_j: do 100g for win, 20g for each linux distro, swap == ram size, maybe 20g on /home, the rest on your shared data partition
[18:01] <reisio> Sazpaimon_: how much less performant is it?
[18:01] <Sazpaimon_> in my experience with ntfs-3g, there's a large cpu overhead when writing large files
[18:01] <reisio> oh "large", sounds bad
[18:02] <master_j> with a 20gb home i'd have to constantly copy everything i want to keep to my data part. is this how it's usually done?
[18:02] <reisio> what about ext?
[18:02] <master_j> very true, Saz.
[18:02] <reisio> master_j: what's the data part for?
[18:02] <Sazpaimon_> I dont think i've ever seen writing to ext partitions use cpu
[18:02] <master_j> movies, music, pictures, documents
[18:02] <Sazpaimon_> or at lest significant CPU
[18:02] <reisio> Sazpaimon_: from windows I mean
[18:02] <Jpmh> I am trying to install ubuntu - I am getting a message that creation of the ext4 partition on /dev/sda1 failed . what does this mean and how do I get past it?
[18:02] <reisio> master_j: why do you need a dedicated partition for that
[18:02] <master_j> reisio: to share data with windows
[18:03] <reisio> master_j: don't need a dedicated partition for that
[18:03] <guest130485102>  Hello
[18:03] <Sazpaimon_> reisio, the point is if you want a shared data partition, dont you want that pertition to be equally performant on both linux and windows?
[18:03] <master_j> how would i read it from windows then?
[18:03] <reisio> Sazpaimon_: I'm pretty sure the overhead is going to be negligible to a human being
[18:03] <ChogyDan> master_j: then go ahead and make /home bigger.  It depends on what you want to share with windows
[18:03] <_raven_> 13.10 how to install old nautilus (3.4*) with ALL FEATURES?
[18:03] <reisio> master_j: ext2fsd from windows, ntfs-3g from ubuntu
[18:04] <master_j> oh i haven't tried ext2fsd
[18:04] <ChogyDan> _raven_: probably not possible/easy  what features are you missing?
[18:04] <Sazpaimon_> ext2fsd is.. okay
[18:04] <odium> I cannot get audio from SPDIF audio out while HDMI audio works fine.  pavucontrol "Volume Control" reports only an hdmi output. while gnome's Sound applet reports there's an SPDIF and HDMI.
[18:04] <Sazpaimon_> it seems like a kludge over using something like exfat
[18:05] <morsnowski> does anyone a file system plugin to read ext partitions from a MAC
[18:05] <reisio> over having a whole extra partition? :/
[18:05] <morsnowski> +know
[18:05] <reisio> _that_ seems like a kludge to me
[18:05] <gui8765r> ChogyDan, Is it possible to copy the wireless drivers, do you know?
[18:05] <Sazpaimon_> and no, the cpu overhead of ntfs-3g with writing large files (several hundred megabytes to multiple gigiabytes) is non-trivial
[18:05] <k1l> master_j: ntfs as a data partition is the best practise so far.
[18:05] <master_j> yeah i think so. simplest, anyway
[18:05] <ChogyDan> gui8765r: no, I don't know.  I think you may have to follow the directions for each distro :(
[18:05] <reisio> Sazpaimon_: did you mean not non-trivial?
[18:06] <Sazpaimon_> no, I mean there's a noticable cpu overhead with ntfs-3g
[18:06] <sha1sum> not non-trivial is a double negative anyway :P
[18:06] <reisio> odium: look in alsamixer, tab around, use arrow keys for toggles that aren't mixers
[18:06] <Sazpaimon_> there is no significant overhead, if any, seen from using the exfat fuse driver
[18:06] <reisio> Sazpaimon_: then you meant not non-trivial
[18:07] <Sazpaimon_> words
[18:07] <sha1sum> reisio: trivial == not significant; non-trivial == significant
[18:07] <sha1sum> not non-trival == not significant
[18:07] <gui8765r> ChogyDan, Probably. I first must get ahold of the drives included in ubuntu, then I can write a script to install them into the other distro as needed
[18:07] <ampw> if i use tightvnc on ubuntu, and want to connect to another ubuntu system do they need to be portforwarded or can i enter their ip and pass
[18:07] <sha1sum> non-trivial*
[18:08] <ChogyDan> gui8765r: what wifi card is this?
[18:08] <reisio> you're killing me
[18:08] <sha1sum> reisio: lol
[18:08] <gui8765r> I couldn't tell you. its a half sized mpci card
[18:08] <reisio> ampw: ip & pass
[18:08] <Sazpaimon_> anyway i can feel my arguments are falling on deaf ears here, so I'll stop
[18:08] <ampw> reisio: Thank you sit
[18:08] <ChogyDan> gui8765r: are you on ubuntu, with it working?
[18:08] <ampw> sir*
[18:08] <gui8765r> it works great in ubuntu
[18:08] <gui8765r> yes
[18:08] <reisio> Sazpaimon_: well he was complaining about the extra partition is all
[18:08] <reisio> and I can't really blame him
[18:09] <reisio> but I don't dual boot anyways
[18:09] <reisio> and if I did I doubt I'd need to have access to the same media from both OSes the same amount
[18:09] <gui8765r> for example, it does not work in F4UBCD
[18:09] <ChogyDan> gui8765r: what is the driver listed in: sudo lshw -C networking
[18:10] <master_j> who was complaining
[18:10] <Sazpaimon_> also, on a semi-related note, does anyone know the performance difference between raid10 over mdadm versus lvm?
[18:10] <gui8765r> only says PCI (sysfs)
[18:10] <bleach> What the heck is going on? I just went to the Ubuntu site to download the 13.10 ISO and it trys to give me the 12.04 ISO?
[18:11] <Sazpaimon_> bleach, that happened to me when i didnt whitelist ubuntu.com in noscript
[18:12] <reisio> bleach: http://ubuntu.cs.utah.edu/releases/
[18:12] <k1l> bleach: you can go straight to the isos here: http://releases.ubuntu.com/
[18:12] <gui8765r> connection information in network manager says Driver: ath9k
[18:13] <ChogyDan> gui8765r: that should be included in the kernel already.  for all distros I think
[18:13] <Sazpaimon_> i think i'll re-ask my question in #ubuntu-server
[18:13] <gui8765r> well i have live distros that do not recognize it
[18:14] <ChogyDan> gui8765r: maybe they are broken
[18:14] <gui8765r> i can look up the actual wifi card if it would make a difference
[18:14] <bleach> reisio/k1l: Thanks I'll try that but obviously there is a problem with the main Ubuntu site.  I've given up trying to fix the 13.10 upgrade and am going to try a fresh installation (aka the way windoz folks fix things).
[18:15] <reisio> bleach: yeah, well, IME it's next to impossible to tell people how to correct their broken website
[18:15] <reisio> bleach: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+cdmirrors is a reliable place to get a download link
[18:15] <bleach> Sazpaimon:  AH! Let me go try that.  Sure don't want to complain of a problem with the Ubuntu site if it is my fault!
[18:16] <_raven_> ChogyDan, ALL features of nautilus, tree structure, double window, appearance ...
[18:16] <gui8765r> Atheros Half Mini PCI-E Wireless Card model AR9280 AR5BHB92
[18:16] <apb> Is anyone using a softphone?  I can't find a softphone that will work on  ubuntu 12.04... they all have some kind of issue of one kind or another.
[18:17] <master_j> (100gb Win7)(100gb 5 Linux distros)(195gb /home)(100gb data)(5gb swap) how about that
[18:17] <reisio> master_j: looks pretty silly
[18:18] <ChogyDan> _raven_: I was going to suggest trying a different one.  I doubt there is a straight forward way to downgrade nautilus
[18:18] <master_j> let me know why and what you'd change reisio?
[18:18] <reisio> master_j: I don't find myself needing six operating systems
[18:18] <ChogyDan> master_j: looks fine, assuming the 5 distros is actually 5 partitions
[18:19] <reisio> ChogyDan: I don't think so
[18:19] <reisio> oh yeah, probably
[18:19] <reisio> with a distro on each, hence silly :p
[18:19] <_raven_> ChogyDan, on 13.04 there was and fork
[18:19] <ChogyDan> reisio: it would be 5 20g partitions
[18:19] <bzupnick> When can I cut in and ask a question?
[18:19] <bleach> Sazpaimon: That was it!  My fault not Ubuntu's!  Thanks again!
[18:19] <master_j> but if say you did want to install different distros of linux.
[18:19] <reisio> bzupnick: just then
[18:20] <oupateddie> bzupnick	just type your question
[18:20] <reisio> master_j: it's not the worst layout ever :)
[18:20] <bzupnick> ha. fine. I installed ubuntu onto my new Lenovo T530 which has an SSD and HDD. I installed ubuntu on the SSD and Grub.
[18:20] <master_j> k, i'm asking because i haven't installed a seperate /home partition before.
[18:21] <master_j> if i could install DOS on one of them that'd be awesome. :D
[18:21] <bleach> My $200 worth!  ALWAYS create a partition or separate drive for home.
[18:21] <oupateddie> my unity keeps on crashing and leaves me without top and side menubars... Any way I can overcome this without rebooting. I'm on 12.04
[18:21] <reisio> master_j: heh
[18:21] <bzupnick> I goto GRUB, and then hit "ubuntu" (it just says ubuntu. that's it) and I see a black screen with a blinking cursor for 30 seconds, then it says "gave up waiting for root device"
[18:22] <reisio> master_j: just tell /etc/fstab where /home is, all there is to it
[18:22] <master_j> sounds like a video issue, bzupnick?
[18:22] <reisio> master_j: well, that and make sure the distro supports the FS /home uses
[18:22] <reisio> bleach: not really that useful for people using a single OS
[18:22] <v2zz> oupateddie my side panel hangs, so i kill unity-2d-shell process and it relaunches by itself
[18:22] <bzupnick> master_j: What do you mean?
[18:23] <bzupnick> running off a live CD worked perfectly
[18:23] <bleach> reisio: It is if you want to reinstall.
[18:23] <master_j> sounds like your video driver is timing out
[18:23] <master_j> i could be way off.
[18:23] <reisio> bleach: nah, but then reinstalling isn't that useful, either
[18:23] <oupateddie> v2zz - ok how doyou kill unity-2d-shell.... on the system monitor processes screen or from command line?
[18:23] <v2zz> oupateddie exatly
[18:23] <bleach> bzupnick:  Is the OS installed on the SSD?
[18:24] <oupateddie> exactly as in system monitor...
[18:24] <v2zz> oupateddie  sorry, on the system monitor processes screen
[18:24] <master_j> reisio: i alwas think i'll never have to reinstall but it does happen. some people just buy new computers every 2 years, i just use the same one and instlal a new OS if i need to
[18:24] <bzupnick> bleach: yes
[18:24] <oupateddie> thanks. It seems as if it happens with libre office
[18:24]  * nongeek hello all
[18:24] <bzupnick> but I also tried doing everything on the HD, and I got the same error
[18:24] <nongeek> I want to configure ipsec, in apsec.secret file I see "your_pre_shared_key" , What is it?
[18:25] <v2zz> oupateddie  and i guess running unity-2d-shell from cmd is possible, if it's not relalunching by itself
[18:25] <bzupnick> here's what it displays after 30 seconds: http://pastebin.com/jhyHdF0W
[18:25] <bleach> bzupnick: When you boot from the live CD is the SSD visable and does your new installation show up?
[18:25] <oupateddie> ok thanks, it's irritating to sit with screens open and no top menu ....
[18:25] <t38> bzupnick:are you dual-gooting with win 8
[18:26] <t38> booting*
[18:26] <master_j> i could definitely see myself running ubuntu, arch, debian, and something else. and just pick what i feel like working with, and sharing data between them. that can't be too rare, can it reisio
[18:26] <grimeton> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh-cnaJoGCw
[18:26] <nongeek> any idea?
[18:26] <bzupnick> bleach: by "viable" do you mean can I go into the directories? If so, I don't know but I'm booting now to check
[18:26] <ripthejacker> Hi everyone , I am using Ubuntu 13.10 with amd radeon  hd 6450 , using open source drivers
[18:26] <bzupnick> t38: It came with windows 7, and I wiped it
[18:26] <ripthejacker> and the display is completely broken
[18:27] <ripthejacker> http://imagebin.org/274840
[18:27] <ripthejacker> it looks like this
[18:27] <oupateddie> ripthejacker	check if there are proprietory drivers to load... Might be the problem
[18:27] <TheNeverWorldhac> Hay What up
[18:28] <roby123> hello
[18:28] <bleach> bzupnick: Are you offered the "(recovery mode)" by gurb when you try to boot from the SSD or HD?
[18:28] <nightmare365> how do i reload the unity panel service
[18:28] <ripthejacker> oupateddie: but the ubuntu documentation says that the open source drivers fully support my card
[18:28] <roby123> list please
[18:28] <reisio> master_j: unfortunately it's not too rare
[18:28] <master_j> unfortunately :P
[18:28] <oupateddie> ripthejacker	sometimes not.. I had a problem with an intel card and it took a lot of patience to get it sorted eventually
[18:29] <TheNeverWorldhac> Right click
[18:29] <DJones> roby123: What list? You download UBuntu from the the links on the Ubuntu website
[18:29] <master_j> so you're just against dual booting in general i guess
[18:29] <jalt> hi. what is the easiest way to reinstall a package+dependencies and forcing it to overwrite every existing conf file, including profile-specific ones, with the default packaged versions? (x/l)ubuntu 13.10, x86, up-to-date.
[18:29] <TheNeverWorldhac> useing backtrack 5
[18:29] <bazhang> looking for warez afaict DJones
[18:29] <t38> bzupnick: restart and when you get to grub menu press 'e' and see if its looking at the right partition
[18:29] <DevZero> i want to mount a ntfs drive on /media/xp and set permissions to 600...is that sufficient or would prohibiting execute permissions prevent playing media files?
[18:30] <bazhang> TheNeverWorldhac, thats not supported here
[18:30] <bzupnick> When booting from the live CD, and I can see the SSD and I can see the file structure. I quick peruse and it seems pretty much ok. In the Grub menu I don't see any sort of recovery mode
[18:30] <master_j> i don't think it would prevent it, DevZero
[18:30] <bzupnick> t38: and how do I know which partition it's supposed to be in?
[18:30] <bazhang> #backtrack-linux TheNeverWorldhac
[18:30] <ripthejacker> oupateddie: so what do you intend, it's a problem with my card?
[18:31] <TheNeverWorldhac> did you play gta 5 wet
[18:31] <DevZero> master_j: because obv i don't need to .exe files unless i'm using wine, correct?
[18:31] <TheNeverWorldhac> install wine
[18:31] <roby123> list
[18:31] <roby123> list
[18:31] <master_j> i don't know DevZero i just think you'd be able to play audio files without having them set to +x
[18:31] <TheNeverWorldhac>  to use .exe
[18:32] <master_j> so, yeah
[18:32] <k1l> !list > roby123
[18:32] <DJones> !piracy | roby123
[18:32] <oupateddie> ripthejacker	that is a good question. I had a problem where the graphics caard just crashed immediately on boot up. Then I installed the drivers and by regular updates of the x-org it solved itself... Some machines is just a problem with graphics
[18:32] <bleach> bzupnick: I gotta go but... you can look in "/boot/grub" to find out what grub is supposed to be configured to boot from and mount.
[18:32] <bzupnick> bleach: thanks! I'll try to work with that....
[18:32] <DevZero> TheNeverWorldhac: so even if permissions are set to 600 i could still execute within wine?
[18:33] <master_j> DevZero: i believe so
[18:33] <TheNeverWorldhac> does ant no how to unjailbreak a ps3
[18:33] <bleach> bzupnick: It's kind of a pain.  Someone else mentioned that you should be able to type and "e" when the boot menu comes up.
[18:33] <master_j> because windows doesn't use flags
[18:33] <ripthejacker> oupateddie: proprietary drivers may solve my problems,I've been doing that ever since I got this cheap card.
[18:33] <DevZero> makes sense
[18:33] <DevZero> ok
[18:33] <bzupnick> bleach: I can press 'e' and all the options come up, but the problem is knowing what to change
[18:33] <ripthejacker> oupateddie: but I was wondering if I could get the radeon driver to work
[18:34] <bazhang> !ot | TheNeverWorldhac
[18:34] <oupateddie> ripthejacker That I'm not sure of, perhaps ask Google a question. You might get a solution.
[18:34] <TheNeverWorldhac> ever time i fw it say error
[18:34] <t38> bzupnick: boot from cd and install boot-repair (in memory, of course). That should make sure your grub is correct
[18:35] <bzupnick> t38: I've done that already. didn't help
[18:35] <TheNeverWorldhac> ping
[18:35] <bzupnick> t38: the params of the grub entry seem to point to 'hd1', how do I check and see if that's correct?
[18:35] <bzupnick> also it says msdos1. why would it say msdos?
[18:36] <ripthejacker> oupateddie: Ok, thanks
[18:37] <t38> bzupnick: I have a z580 that I've had a devil of a time with... If you do anything to the drives, you can't even access the bios anymore
[18:38] <Chii> Quick question... how might it be possible to copy the drivers from the disk/live disk to my current install?
[18:38] <bzupnick> t38: what do you mean? I'm able to get into the BIOS and screw with the boot order and all that jazz
[18:38] <bzupnick> and I've definitely done a lot of screwing around trying to figure this out
[18:38] <k1l> Chii: just install the needed driver packages
[18:38] <Chii> Because 12.10 installs are not even recognizing ehthernet card, so I cant even get a wired connectin to download drivesr with
[18:39] <Chii> How?  Im trying to get it to recognized my wired connectiong on my laptop and it wont
[18:39] <Chii> yet when I try to run it on the live disk it attempts to install the broadcom package and fails but then it magically detects the wired connection
[18:40] <k1l> Chii: why 12.10? maybe with another kernel (like in 12.04, 13.10) you have more luck
[18:40] <Assault> hi all
[18:40] <Chii> err thats what I mean
[18:40] <Chii> meant
[18:40] <Assault> Where are the USB devices supposed to appear in Ubuntu?
[18:40] <Chii> 12.04.03
[18:40] <Okitain> Assault: what do you want, specifically?
[18:41] <Chii> 13.10 wont even load on this hunk-o-junk >.<
[18:41] <t38> bzupnick: can't do that with the 580.. Installed linux dual-booting with win 8 --- BIOS is now inaccessible
[18:41] <bzupnick> well I'm not dual booting.
[18:41] <Chii> ki1 I do apolgize for the error I meant 12.04
[18:41] <Chii> and I tried 13.10 and it errors out on me
[18:42] <t38> bzupnick:  UEFI bios?
[18:43] <fugutive221_> Hi everyone
[18:43] <Assault> Okitain: well, i have this external USB 3.0 HD, and im new to Ubuntu, i have no idea if Ubuntu has recognized it or not..i dont know where to look
[18:43] <fugutive221_> I'm having serious trouble with my Toshiba laptop
[18:43] <fugutive221_> When I press the round 'start/bootup' button on my laptop only the lights will go on except for my screen which is completely black. No backlit whatsoever.
[18:43] <fugutive221_> HELP!
[18:43] <bzupnick> t38: Not entirely sure what that means but, on boot it shows the Lenovo page, and I hit "enter" then 'f1' and it goes to that blue screen where you can do a bunch of stuff, including changing the boot order
[18:44] <Okitain> Assault: go to the file manager, and see if it's in the left panel.
[18:44] <ABM> Hey can anybody tell me how to chat through Terminal
[18:44] <Okitain> ABM: install irssi and go at it.
[18:44] <Okitain> fugutive221_: does your BIOS stay visible?
[18:44] <Assault> Okitain: its not there
[18:45] <subz3r0> Assault: check the output of lsusb
[18:45] <kaddi> Myrtti: you around? Do you have time for a PM for a second?
[18:45] <Chii> Any idea why ubuntu would not recognize the wired card?
[18:45] <Okitain> Assault: go to terminal, input lsusb, tell if you see anything.
[18:45] <Chii> or should I try blacklisting ipv 6 as I've seen indicated?
[18:46] <fugutive221_> Okitain: How can I see that? When I try to press the F12 button and del button on my keyboard nothing happens (also a black screen without backlit)
[18:46] <subz3r0> Okitain: youre too slow ;)
[18:46] <Okitain> fugutive221_: I mean, is the BIOS load screen visible?
[18:47] <oz0ne> Assault: 'sudo fdisk -l' disk should be there
[18:47] <Chii> okay question.... how do I pull a propertary driver off my linux install cd/flash disk and make my install use it?
[18:47] <Okitain> subz3r0: oh I know, but I'm also more specific.
[18:47] <fugutive221_> Okitain: No absolutely not.
[18:47] <Chii> using Ubuntu 12.04
[18:47] <fugutive221_> Okitain: No Toshiba splashscreen
[18:47] <Okitain> fugutive221_: in that case, it's not really usable to ask us. Go to the nearest tech shop.
[18:49] <Chii> so no one knows? :x
[18:49] <OerHeks> fugutive, what videocard ?
[18:50] <Guest1099> Hello
[18:50] <metasansana> Is there a way to periodically clear a tmpfs filesystem?
[18:51] <Okitain> Chii: I'm afraid that's impossible without specifics.
[18:51] <fugutive221_> Okitain: At least I can tell you what I did. Through windows 8.1 I tried to let it boot up from my USB stick so I could do a boot-repair (made with the lili usb creator.). The BIOS told me (I could see that through the not Windows layout) there was no usb booting up ability what soever.
[18:51] <Myrtti> kaddi: not really, going to cook. BBL.
[18:51] <gordonjcp> Chii: proprietary driver for what, and why?
[18:51] <Eagleman7> Is it possible to set up permissions and ownerships with NFS, as you would normally do with a normal hard disk?
[18:51] <chro> sha1sum, how do you suggest I debug the keyboard issue ?
[18:51] <gordonjcp> Eagleman7: yes, but (as you might expect) it gets a bit complicated
[18:52] <Eagleman7> gordonjcp: would iscsi be better for that purpose?
[18:52] <gordonjcp> Eagleman7: consider what happens when user lists aren't in sync between the client and server machines, and you don't take care to work round that
[18:52] <Chii> gordon jcp Im using an inspiron 1501.... old laptop.  It appears to need to use the broadcom drivers for wireless... however at this point its not even detecting my wired ethernet unless I attempt to enable said broadcom drivers using the live disk
[18:52] <gordonjcp> Eagleman7: depends what you're trying to do
[18:52] <kaddi> Myrtti: ok.. just wanted to let you know I was not trying to impersonate you or steal your nick just now.. I'm just very used to being myrti and didn't realised I wasn't the one registering it, when it came up as registered.. I've never known anyone else using that nick ;p
[18:52] <Chii> at that point it fails... but magically sees my wired connection and I can now use it
[18:52] <gordonjcp> Chii: oh, no idea
[18:52] <fugutive221_> Okitain: After that I could choose some booting up menus. And there also was a option of booting up from USB. After that I think I f*ck*d up my system
[18:53] <Chii> Or how or why would it not be seeing my WIRED connection?
[18:53] <Chii> never mind
[18:53] <Chii> I somehow made it work
[18:53] <Chii> It boggles my mind the voodoo involved in this lol
[18:54] <fugutive221_> Okitain: It seems that it is in some kind of hybernate mode. Is it maybe good to but my battery and and put it back in after 10 minutes?
[18:54] <Okitain> fugutive221_: yes, do that.
[18:54] <Eagleman7> gordonjcp: I am experimenting with FreeNAS ZFS and the harddisks is now directly attached to my ubuntu machine with different permissions and owner ships on folders. When i will change to ZFS i need a new way to setup access to harddisks on my ubuntu machine
[18:56] <Eagleman7> I am currently using esxi with RDM to attach my disks to Ubuntu
[18:56] <Assault> lsusb or fdisk do not display the USB HD...well, I guess its just not possible to use
[18:56] <Assault> on Virtualbox
[18:56] <fugutive221_> Okitain: Please stay tuned. I will update you with some info wether it is going to work or not :P
[18:57] <Okitain> fugutive221_: I'm afraid I can't stay tuned. Work to do.
[18:57] <Eagleman7> gordonjcp: so i am trying to figure out which system works best to access my files over the network
[18:57] <fugutive221_> Okitain: Thanks anyway :D
[18:58] <subz3r0> Assault: you need to install the guest additions in addition to get usb working under virtualbox ;)
[18:59] <ABM> Guest addition is generally provided in the package itself
[19:00] <subz3r0> ABM: and?
[19:00] <Eagleman7> gordonjcp: you still here?
[19:00] <subz3r0> also he needs Oracle_VM_VirtualBox_Extension_Pack-.... to get usb working
[19:00] <subz3r0> no virtualbox extension no usb
[19:01] <ABM> so no download required if you have the offline pacakge of the VirtaulBox
[19:01] <subz3r0> ABM
[19:01] <subz3r0> thats bullshit
[19:01] <ABM> what
[19:01] <subz3r0> Oracle_VM_VirtualBox_Extension_Pack is NOT delivered with virtualbox
[19:02] <whoever> hi all, i have multible monetors. what pkg will allow each screen to have its own screen save and active time?
[19:02] <subz3r0> you need to download it from virtualbox.org and install it @virtualbox
[19:02] <fugutive221_> Okitain: I think putting the battery out and in worked ;D
[19:02] <gordonjcp> Eagleman7: for about ten seconds...
[19:02] <gordonjcp> Eagleman7: iSCSI is great if you want something to pretend to be a disk on a client machine
[19:02] <ABM> I have the   .deb file of the VirtualBox and it had all the things required
[19:03] <gordonjcp> Eagleman7: what your client machine sees is actually a block device, that you can partition, format etc
[19:03] <subz3r0> ABM. no it does not
[19:03] <subz3r0> see here: https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
[19:03] <ABM> I don't use the VirtualBox provided in the Software centre
[19:03] <gordonjcp> Eagleman7: if you want more than one machine to share an iSCSI target you have to use a filesystem that supports multiple access
[19:04] <Eagleman7> gordonjcp: would it be smart to setup samba/nfs on the ubuntu machine which then has the iscsi disk attached
[19:04] <subz3r0> ABM: you dont really know what youre talking about, do you?
[19:05] <subz3r0> oracle DOES NOT ship the extension back with any .deb file
[19:05] <subz3r0> pack
[19:05] <gordonjcp> Eagleman7: you could do, depends what you're trying to achieve
[19:05] <gordonjcp> Eagleman7: experiment, and keep backups
[19:05] <ABM> yes I know very well about the Guest additions that enable us to use USB and full screen support
[19:05]  * gordonjcp -> out
[19:06] <Eagleman7> alrght, thanks for the explanation
[19:08] <subz3r0> ABM: Guest Additions != Extension Pack!
[19:08] <subz3r0> ABM: but never mind... youre the hero...
[19:10] <apb1963> Is anyone using a softphone? I can't find a softphone that will work on ubuntu 12.04... they all have some kind of issue of one kind or another.
[19:11] <ABM> But hey I m able to use everything without ur "Extension pack"
[19:11] <bekks> apb1963: What do you mean by "softphone"? Something like skype, or a VoIP solution?
[19:12] <apb1963> bekks: Yes... but not skype.  Something that uses SIP
[19:12] <ABM> and by the way the   .deb package is available and I have used it and I am still using it
[19:12] <bekks> ABM: Obviously you dont know nothing about it. Since version 4.x, onlx the extension pack provides the ability to use USB2, and neither the guest additions nor the extension ever were responsible for fullscreening a guest.
[19:12] <apb1963> bekks: something like linphone, jitsi, zoiper, sflphone, etc.
[19:14] <apb1963> even phonerlite :)
[19:14] <bekks> apb1963: So no VoIP solution then.
[19:14] <apb1963> bekks: VoIP is what I need, yes.
[19:15] <ABM> BUT I can use my USB without it.........tell me how  is it possible then
[19:16] <bekks> ABM: As I said. USB_2_ support is provided by the extension pack only, USB_1_ support is provided without the extension pack at all.
[19:16] <whoever> is there a w7ay to set a different screen saver per lcd monetor witout losing drag and drop betwwen the monetors
[19:16] <bekks> ABM: Here's a list, unfortunately in german - but the names and operating systems are readabe in english, too: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_von_VoIP-Software
[19:17] <subz3r0> ABM: maybe your a magician... i dont know or care... but you have simply no clue what youre talking about.
[19:18] <ABM> bekks :Plz explain what is USB_2 and USB_1
[19:19] <bekks> ABM: USB is USB standard version 1, USB2 is USB standard version 2.
[19:19] <subz3r0> bekks: :D
[19:19] <bekks> ABM: You shuld know that at least when mocking about vbox usb support - just my two cents.
[19:19] <bekks> *should
[19:19] <whoever> using xscreensaver
[19:20] <ABM> What sort of standards
[19:21] <bekks> ABM: Do you know what USB is, actually?
[19:21] <k1l> ABM: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#Version_history
[19:22] <ABM> common bekks I m just a learner
[19:23] <t38> apb1963: What's your main problem with the softphones you've tried
[19:23] <ABM> Universal Serial BUS
[19:23] <subz3r0> ABM: HEAD -> WALL, HEAD -> WALL, HEAD -> WALL
[19:23] <subz3r0> anyways..
[19:23] <subz3r0> !OT | ABM
[19:26] <ABM> OK sorry I intentionally entered ur conversations and now on I wud take care of the starting point :D
[19:27] <Nothing_Much> How do I configure debootstrap after the --second-stage part?
[19:29] <Nothing_Much> How do I configure debootstrap after the --second-stage part?
[19:29] <ABM> Oh common if u r talking about USB 2.0 then also I m able to use that in my VBox
[19:30] <Nothing_Much> Hello?
[19:30] <Nothing_Much> How do I configure debootstrap after the --second-stage part?
[19:30] <Olathe> How long will the updater from 12.10 to 13.04 work?
[19:30] <Alphratz> I dont know :)
[19:30] <Nothing_Much> Olathe, It depends on your internet connection
[19:31] <Olathe> I don't mean how long it takes to finish. How long until I can't use it to update?
[19:31] <wilee-nilee> Olathe, till it goes end of l;ife
[19:31] <Olathe> Oh, OK. Thanks :)
[19:31] <Alphratz> I must wait with my UMTS-Stick wait 14 day's for a Ubuntu update :)
[19:35] <Guest46342> lol
[19:36] <laconic> hello
[19:38] <Guest67294> ola
[19:41] <itsdroidlikehell> .slap anyone
[19:41]  * itsdroidlikehell hails hmol
[19:41]  * itsdroidlikehell drinks a lot of beer
[19:42] <k1l> !ot > itsdroidlikehell
[19:43] <itsdroidlikehell> Are there ne dutch ubuntu users here?
[19:43] <k1l> !nl | itsdroidlikehell
[19:43] <theadmin> !nl | itsdroidlikehell
[19:44] <naz> is there a ubuntu server channel?
[19:44] <Gallomimia> yes
[19:44] <Gallomimia> #ubuntu-server
[19:45] <naz> thanks Gallo, really appreciate it :)
[19:45] <Die_Nadal> Is there a ubuntu-gnome channel ?
[19:45] <Nothing_Much> How do I configure debootstrap after the --second-stage part?
[19:46] <wilee-nilee> Die_Nadal, Not specifically.
[19:46] <mammagamma> salve
[19:47] <mammagamma> !list
[19:47] <jcrza> Do you guys have any idea how to set up a TFTP server that will present the user with a menu to choose from multiple OSes?
[19:47] <Die_Nadal> I found one..
[19:47] <Die_Nadal> lol, thanks though.
[19:47] <Die_Nadal> wilee-nilee.
[19:47] <Die_Nadal> exit
[19:48] <t38> Nothing_Much:   https://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap
[19:51] <MonkeyDust> jcrza  start here, not sure if it offers multiple os's https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PXEInstallServer
[19:51] <_raven_> 13.10 how to install old nautilus (3.4*) with ALL FEATURES?
[19:52] <jcrza> MonkeyDust: Thanks!
[19:55] <apb1963> t38: the main problem is that they don't work.   They don't do ANYTHING.... I get no window of any kind.  You can see zoiper in the process list but there's no way to interact with  it.  sflphone at first showed a window, but wouldn't register to asterisk... after speaking with the developer it now registers to asterisk, but I no longer get a window... and so can't interact with it.  One of the others gave me something about a method error or something...
[19:55] <apb1963> and so on.
[19:55] <issa2013> hello
[19:55] <ubuntu-beginner> i have a problem with ubuntu 12.04.3 installed with alternate. grub-install /dev/sda : grub could not fin device for /boot not found or not a block device.
[19:55] <issa2013> quelqu'un conais la commande byacc
[19:55] <issa2013> je ne sais pas qu'elle paquet installer  ?
[19:55] <bekks> !fr | issa2013
[19:57] <apb1963> t38: the sflphone developer said that dbus was crashing... so  he changed his code to use a different function... I'm guessing he's still working on it, but no response from him.
[20:03] <harushimo> I'm trying to access a vnc server.  I'm using avahi. It always asks for SSH server. Is there a way to change that?
[20:04] <Anonynimity> Hey, I'm having an issue connecting to my router via wireless internet... I type in 192.168.2.1 and it gives me an error "The connection was reset"
[20:04] <Anonynimity> Could someone help me fix this issue?
[20:04] <ubuntu-beginner> \help
[20:04] <b0x> since updating to 13.10
[20:05] <b0x> i keep getting... "screen tearing" ?/
[20:05] <b0x> http://snag.gy/gbfPB.jpg
[20:05] <b0x> sometimes completely distorted
[20:05] <b0x> minimising or moving the window (or even hovering over items) resolves it
[20:05] <b0x> nothing seems to trigger it, just happens occainsionally
[20:08] <t38> apb1963: Which desktop are you running? Gnome, Gnome3?  Do you have openbox or anything else installed, and have you tried one of those?  I may be grabbing at straws here.
[20:09] <sp3ck> Anonynimity, router model, vendor?
[20:09] <NoSpoon42> I get tearing on elementary, but mostly in videos
[20:09] <Anonynimity> Belkin Router model no is no longer on there
[20:09] <k1l> NoSpoon42: please ask elementary support
[20:09] <k1l> !elementary | NoSpoon42
[20:09] <apb1963> t38 kde
[20:09] <NoSpoon42> yeah I was just commenting)
[20:10] <NoSpoon42> thanks
[20:10] <Die_Nadal> in Ubuntu Gnome 13.10, how do you change the GDM log on screen/theme now ?
[20:10] <apb1963> t38 no openbox or any virtual stuff
[20:11] <cuddylier> If I had this as a cronjob, would it run daily? 35 19 *** sh /home/spartanmc/node2script.sh
[20:13] <baggar11> cuddylier: yes on the 35th minute of the 19th hour.
[20:13] <Die_Nadal> in Ubuntu Gnome 13.10, how do you change the GDM log on screen/theme now ?
[20:13] <cuddylier> Good
[20:14] <Guest404> hi all, just installed ubuntu 13.10 on pc that had xp and windows 8 (legacy mode).  Resized/formated  xp partition to be extra ntfs storage, and put ubuntu there too.  Now windows 8 won't show up in grub2
[20:14] <t38> apb1963: Just installed zopier and it pops up just fine... Don't have a sip to connect to, but I'm suspecting in the window environment since you can see the process running
[20:14] <Guest404> Windows 8 usb when going into recover/repair says Windows drive locked
[20:14] <Guest404> Any ideas?
[20:14] <thanosme> Guest404: sudo update-grub2
[20:14] <t38> suspecting something *
[20:14] <apb1963> yeah, a guy in #freepbx told me to add it to the desktop... I was running from the console... now I just need to know how to add it to the desktop :/
[20:15] <wilee-nilee> Guest404, Windows generally is best installed in order of releases they combine their bootloader.
[20:15] <wilee-nilee> xp wont boot W8
[20:15] <Die_Nadal> How can you tell what Gnome VErsion you are running?
[20:15] <Guest404> actually, had winxp, then win 8 preview, then installed win 8
[20:16] <Guest404> even ubuntu can't mount the win 8 partition
[20:16] <wilee-nilee> Guest404, Did leave W8 in its hybrid boot?
[20:16] <Guest404> running update grub2 doesn't find the win 8 partition
[20:16] <Guest404> yes, i believe so wilee-nilee
[20:16] <Guest404> this is not an uefi bios
[20:17] <wilee-nilee> Guest404, That is part of the problem at least the lock, it wont use that as a multi boot
[20:17] <Guest404> so how to get rid of lock? wilee-nilee
[20:17] <wilee-nilee> Guest404, Was it ever a uefi?
[20:18] <OerHeks> Guest404, if your win8 has bitlocker setup, you cannot mount it.
[20:18] <Guest404> from forum searches win 7 repair cd works/is better than win 8.
[20:18] <Guest404> not uefi that i know of
[20:18] <wilee-nilee> Guest404, The hybrid boot is uefi, so you left it in hibernate?
[20:18] <Guest404> when i run repair from win 8 install usb, it gives me error message that drive is locked
[20:19] <Guest404> well, i shut down (actually my kid did)
[20:19] <Guest404> I don't think it was in hibernate
[20:19] <bekks> Guest404: And how is that related to Ubuntu? :)
[20:19] <wilee-nilee> Guest404, I'm not sure, maybe ##windows might help.
[20:20] <Guest404> bekks point taken, I guess it is related in the sense that Im trying to gain a convert to Ubuntu....and well....bricking his win 8 is not helping
[20:20] <Guest404> okay wilee-nilee I 'll try there
[20:20] <apb1963> t38: You didn't find a package for zoiper did you?  You just untarred it, right?
[20:21] <t38> apb1963:Yeah, Its a single file
[20:21] <ubuntutis> anyone know if ajax is included in lamp
[20:23] <t38> apb1963: And I of course picked the FREE version
[20:24] <ChogyDan> ubuntutis: it depends on the software that you install on top of lamp.  Ajax doesn't need anything special from lamp, AFAIK
[20:24] <apb1963> t38: How are you running it?
[20:24] <Anonynimity> io off to work we go
[20:25] <apb1963> t38:  from a terminal?
[20:25] <apb1963> t38: ./zoiper ?
[20:25] <t38> apb1963:  just double-clicked on the binary where it was extracted
[20:25] <garcianc> ubuntutis, ajax is not necessarily part of the lamp stack but the capability you need is there
[20:26] <apb1963> t38:  from a file manager
[20:26] <Gspot> e
[20:26] <apb1963> t38: ?
[20:26] <t38> apb1963:  yeah... lol
[20:26] <ubuntutis> chogydan: what software you talking about
[20:27] <rawfodog> I have a drive that is encrypted with LVM. This is an old sata drive which I am going to put in a friends laptop (theirs broke). They want windows on it so whatever I'm going to do that for them. Thing is, I cant seem to boot off of expternal media with it plugged in. Should I boot a live cd with gparted and wipe the drive ? Will that work ?
[20:27] <bekks> rawfodog: KVM cannot encrypt at all.
[20:27] <bekks> rawfodog: Sorry, LVM.
[20:27] <rawfodog> what do you mean ?
[20:27] <bekks> rawfodog: If they want to put Windows on it, you dont have to do anything. Just install Windows on it.
[20:28] <rawfodog> ok
[20:28] <rawfodog> The CD drive must be broken then
[20:28] <rawfodog> because it bypasses external media to boot from
[20:29] <ChogyDan> ubuntutis: what are you trying to do?
[20:29] <apb1963> t38: still doesn't work for me
[20:30] <ubuntutis> nothing i just want the information to know what i need to do when i install it
[20:30] <bekks> rawfodog: a cdrom is considered to be a "cdrom" in the bios boot order, not "external media".
[20:31] <rawfodog> k bekks
[20:32] <unicornjedi> does anyone know how to use rosegarden or know a better midi sequencer?
[20:32] <t38> apb1963:  I get some gtk warnings if I run it ./zoiper, but it still shows up on the desktop
[20:32] <fak> hola, alguien habla español?
[20:33] <k1l> !spanish | fak
[20:33] <fak> Thnx
[20:33] <gotwig> when can we expect to see unity 8 in ubuntu 14.04
[20:33] <k1l> gotwig: the plan is for 14.10
[20:33] <gotwig> k1l: well, that makes me really sad
[20:34] <linuxbitch> hey
[20:35] <kostkon> gotwig, why?
[20:35] <greek> Hi guys how do I COMPLETELY disable the touchpad in 12.04 LTS?
[20:35] <bekks> greek: Best chances are to do so in the BIOS.
[20:35] <apb1963> so the question then becomes not why does zoiper not work, but why does zoiper not work for my specific instance of ubuntu 12.04 with kde ?
[20:35] <apb1963> t38:  What desktop are you using?
[20:35] <IdleOne> dahkmattah231: you there?
[20:35] <gotwig> kostkon: because I was a unity dev, time ago, and I want to see something new. All unity < 8 is not interessting to me
[20:36] <joaouser> helo
[20:36] <kostkon> gotwig, ok
[20:36] <greek> kostkon is basically my name haha
[20:36] <gotwig> kostkon: we all want to see something new, dont we
[20:36] <greek> bekks, ok thanks
[20:36] <gotwig> but for LTS they want to have something stable, yeah..
[20:36] <boern> i have problem with dota 2 on ubuntu 13.10.. i have a gtx260 and the nouveau display driver(when i use proprietary driver it doesnt even open).. here is a screenshot : http://1.2.3.10/bmi/www7.pic-upload.de/27.10.13/hf2sey6oyqnq.png .. i know there is an extra channel for steam but there are not much people and maby you have a similar issue and know a solution
[20:37] <sam_uk> Anyone know what to do with this error? 47: /etc/default/grub: Syntax error: EOF in backquote substitution
[20:37] <sam_uk> google doesn't help
[20:37] <bekks> sam_uk: Whats the full error and when do you see it?
[20:37] <sam_uk> trying aptitude -f install
[20:37] <bekks> sam_uk: pastebin the entire output, not just one line please.
[20:37] <t38> apb1963:  Using cinnamon
[20:37] <sam_uk> bekks broken packages
[20:38] <bekks> sam_uk: Pastebin the full output...
[20:38] <IdleOne> dahkmattah231: now?
[20:39] <apb1963> t38: so what that says to me is that there's something wrong with kde.....  how do I install cinnamon (I don't why but I want to call it cinnabun :) )
[20:39] <dahkmattah231> ufw with its default configuration, does it basically blocks all incoming connections except the ones you allow?
[20:39] <bekks> dahkmattah231: Thats the default configuration, yes.
[20:40] <NetCatty_> How do I set the priority for media player to use the media keys and how to switch between them?
[20:40] <dahkmattah231> thanks bekks
[20:41] <boern> how can i hide the join and quid messages i xchat? they are so annoying
[20:41] <boern> quit*
[20:42] <t38> apb1963:  http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/1246  need to add the repository
[20:42] <dahkmattah231> boern: settings->preferences->(chatting)General.. and there it is
[20:42] <sam_uk> bekks, http://pastebin.com/NkZfSAfX
[20:42] <bekks> sam_uk: Then pastebin your grub configuration please.
[20:43] <sam_uk> /etc/grub ?
[20:43] <bekks> sam_uk: yes, there it is.
[20:44] <apb1963> t38: thanks.  However, it just occurred to me.... what version of ubuntu are you running?
[20:44] <shhha> hey dual booting question, if i use gparted to make a partition and on this partition i want to install windows 7, is the only format "NTFS"?  and no other that would work ?
[20:44] <bekks> shhha: Correct.
[20:44] <k1l> shhha: yes.
[20:45] <paulus68> shhha: you should probably install windows first and then ubuntu
[20:45] <NetCatty_> windows 7 is still using ntfs?
[20:46] <bekks> NetCatty_: Yes.
[20:46] <bekks> NetCatty_: Even Win 8.1 does.
[20:46] <shhha> paulus68: interesting... is this because if i install ubuntu overall and tick the "LVM and encrypted file" stuff and THEN installed windows it wouldn't work too well?
[20:46] <jmgk> hi shhha
[20:46] <sam_uk> bekks, weird i don't have a /etc/grub i have a /etc/grub.d folder with subfolders in it..
[20:46] <NetCatty_> bekks: didn't they upgraded it to somthing or anther?
[20:46] <bekks> sam_uk: yeah.
[20:46] <therazr> NetCatty_: And they don't know then ReFS will be ready
[20:46] <shhha> jmgk: hi
[20:47] <bekks> NetCatty_: No.
[20:47] <bekks> shhha: No. Generally, Windows messes up the bootloader.
[20:47] <paulus68> shhha: the thing is when you are going to do a dual boot you first need to install windows because it can be messing arround with your bootloader
[20:48] <sam_uk> bekks, I _should_ have a /etc/grub file? right?
[20:48] <bekks> sam_uk: No.
[20:48] <t38> apb1963: I'm running 13.04
[20:48] <sam_uk> no?
[20:48] <bekks> sam_uk: No.
[20:48] <paulus68> shhha: http://lifehacker.com/5403100/dual+boot-windows-7-and-ubuntu-in-perfect-harmony
[20:48] <bekks> sam_uk: /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d/
[20:48] <ashish2> hi
[20:49] <apb1963> t38: that would make the difference... all kinds of stuff works in 13.04 that doesn't in 12.04
[20:49] <shhha> bekks: aw man.. lol.  now i may just make the entire switch to ubuntu then...   lol paulus68  so is there no way to have a "good" dual boot setup with ubuntu and win7 where the ubuntu half has the LVM and encrypted file feature, are these features worth it also?
[20:49] <ice9> in Uhuntu 13.10 sound there is always background noise when playing any sound!
[20:50] <sam_uk> bekks, http://pastebin.com/vubNE5LA
[20:50] <paulus68> shhha:yes but you need to install windows first and then ubuntu
[20:51] <paulus68> shhha: just follow the guide I mentioned earlier
[20:51] <Jordan_U> shhha: You can have your Ubuntu partitions however you like them, and to be clear it is possible to install Windows second, it just means that you'll have to manually re-install grub after Windows clobbers it.
[20:51] <t38> apb1963:   Worth a shot..  You might like the way cinnamon works. Its kinda 'purty'
[20:52] <sam_uk> bekks, /etc/default/grub : http://pastebin.com/UDb3g7Vb
[20:52] <Jordan_U> sam_uk: Please pastebin your /etc/default/grub .
[20:52] <johnjohn101>   /join #couchdb
[20:53] <master_j> how does this look? http://i.imgur.com/RADFPoQ.png
[20:53] <paulus68> Jordan_U: it's possible to word this way but it's more adviceable to install windows first then Ubuntu this has been the most clean way since a long way back
[20:53] <shhha> paulus68: Jordan_U  hmm thanks, i didn't know that, but that makes sense now.
[20:53] <paulo> 2
[20:53] <paulo> a
[20:53] <paulus68> Work
[20:53] <apb1963> t38 I've heard good things about it... but then I've heard good things about lots of stuff... my biggest fear is that I install it and then get stuck with something that doesn't work... I can't seem do find a support channel for it, other than linux-mint
[20:53] <sam_uk> Jordan_U, Just spotted original/ edited lines & re-edited.
[20:54] <bekks> sam_uk: line 17/18 are messed up.
[20:55] <paulus68> shhha: it's always better to start with windows first because if you work the other way arround your boatloader gets messed up
[20:55] <apb1963> t38: and I certainly don't want to upgrade to 13.04... for one thing it's not LTS I don't think, and for another I hear too many stories about people needing to totally reinstall to get it working.  I can't afford to mess up this machine and don't have another to work with.
[20:55] <t38> apb1963:  The good thing about DE's is - you can always switch back. Just choose the one you want at login
[20:55] <bekks> sam_uk: USe this line for 17/18: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="splash quiet i915.i915_enable_fbc=1 pcie_aspm=force acpi_backlight=vendor"
[20:55] <sam_uk> bekks, yep just saw that, commented it out now updating
[20:55] <fahadash> My first month as a ubuntu user is over and now ubuntu is acting like windows.
[20:56] <apb1963> t38: I reboot and/or login so little I forget you can change desktops
[20:56] <fahadash> I hit the start button to open that full-screen covering programs menu (or whatever it is called)... I am clicking options, it closes the menu but never launches that application why ?
[20:57] <fahadash> When I use the arrow keys to point to that item and hit enter, it works
[20:57] <t38> japb1963: just log out -> choose your preferred desktop -> log back in
[20:57] <apb1963> t38: for me, logging out is nearly the same as rebooting.... I hate doing it because I always have a boatload of windows open that I hate to reset... although these days with browswers continuing from where they left off, it's not as bad as it used to be.
[20:59] <t38> apb1963: I can understand that. I rebooted mine last night for the first time in about 2 weeks
[20:59] <sam_uk> bekks, that looks happier.. Thanks
[20:59] <Guest54804> Hey all. Does anyone know if, when  using an interactive shell program, it is possible to return to and edit a previously entered line if the command has not yet been terminated?
[21:00] <bekks> Guest54804: Yes, I know it. No it isnt possible.
[21:00] <apb1963> t38: well, getting a softphone working is more important than anything else right now, so I'll go install cinnabun... thank you
[21:00] <BrandonM> OK, thanks a lot, bekks.
[21:02] <t38> apb1963:  Had someone tell me one time about a cinnabun, "try it, you'll like it" - hard to stop after just one. LOL
[21:09] <apb1963> t38: I've never actually tried one... cinnamon rolls, yes... cinnabun... no.  But I can't get the name out of my head.... very....umm... sticky.
[21:09] <apb1963> is anyone else here running cinnamon?  Just in case I need... you know... support
[21:09] <jmgk> hello sburjan`
[21:10] <okay19> How much swap should I use on a new install with 6 gb of ram?
[21:10] <OerHeks> okay19, let the installer decide, if you want hybernate/sleep
[21:10] <apb1963> t38: So I guess it's all installed now... just logout and back in again then huh?
[21:11] <therazr> okay19: Just tell how much space you want to give to Ubuntu, and the installer will decide on the swap space
[21:11] <k1l> okay19: if you want suspend2disk: swap=ram
[21:12] <t38> apb1963: There's always the #linuxmint group IF there are any gotchas
[21:13] <apb1963> t38: how interesting...  zoiper works now... and I didn't even need to run the cinnabun desktop... just install it.
[21:13] <JE> irc.oftc.net
[21:13] <t38> apb1963:  You may have been missing something
[21:14] <andybrine> Evening everyont
[21:14] <andybrine> everyone
[21:14] <Othi`> hello, i'm having an issue with some upstart scripts. it tells me 'setuid: not found'. other scripts calling setuid work
[21:14] <apb1963> apb1963: yeah, I noticed some stuff come down with the cinnabun files, which is what made me think to try zoiper again.
[21:14] <Othi`> google has nothing on it
[21:14] <apb1963> oh look i'm talking to myself
[21:14] <wiak> do anyone got a clue why ubuntu will reboot it self when i run x264 encoding?
[21:15] <t38> apb1963: NOW, will it place a call????
[21:15] <andybrine> Has anyone had this issue with 13.10? It is showing a black background and i am unable to change it
[21:15] <apb1963> t38: yeah, I noticed some stuff come down with the cinnabun files, which is what made me think to try zoiper again.
[21:15] <wiak> no problem with cpu temp, its around ~40c
[21:15] <bekks> wiak: Thermal protection of the hardware, CPU overheating protection, e.g.
[21:15] <apb1963> t38: that's my next test...
[21:16] <wiak> i have a A10-5800K, Noctua cooler, so no problem with temp i belive
[21:17] <apb1963> t38: when I try to add an account I get "can't open file '/zoiper.sh' (error 13: Permission denied)"  --- which also happened on startup but I ignored it
[21:17] <apb1963> "Failed to create startup entry"
[21:18] <andybrine> Im sooo dissapointed with the 13.10 release
[21:18] <andybrine> I have had nothing but problems since installing it
[21:19] <andybrine> has anyone else had problems with no wallpaper in 13.10?
[21:19] <bekks> !anyone | andybrine
[21:20] <miggol> Hey, I just upgraded to 13.10 from 13.04 on an optimus laptop. This broke my xorg (bumblebee/primus) setup, so I purged those packages and have installed nvidia-prime. I am now only able to login to Gnome Flashback no-effects, both kde and unity fail to load their respective window managers.
[21:20] <andybrine> the wallpaper is there when first installed but after a reboot i just get a black wallpaper
[21:21] <k1l> andybrine: did you set another picture as wallpaper to try it out?
[21:21] <k1l> andybrine: what does .xsession-errors say?
[21:21] <miggol> Strangely in flashback glxinfo shows all the right extensions and nvidia-settings says all is fine, though under my display states it has no scanout. How can I troubleshoot this problem?
[21:21] <andybrine> I have set another wallpaper but it wont change
[21:22] <apb1963> t38: sigh... zoiper is frozen on "failed to create startup entry"
[21:22] <l01> Can I use a 64bit Live CD to chroot into a 32bit? (both are Ubuntu)
[21:22] <bekks> l01: Yes.
[21:22] <l01> Are there any downsides?
[21:22] <bekks> l01: No.
[21:22] <l01> like incompatibilities and such?
[21:22] <Jordan_U> l01: Nope. It's only the other way around where there are issues.
[21:22] <l01> okay, thank you =)
[21:22] <wilee-nilee> andybrine, You might try a reset http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2013/08/reset-unity-and-compiz-in-ubuntu-13-10/
[21:23] <miggol> Should I check .xsession-errors after logging into unity? It seems fine from flashback
[21:23] <apb1963> t38: I told it to start at startup... so I imagine it's trying to put install into /etc/rc.d or some such... which of course it can't since i'm not root.  silly zoiper
[21:23] <miggol> Just some gnome-settings-daemon whining
[21:23] <Diren>  Selamlar.
[21:23] <andybrine> ok thanks wilee-nilee
[21:24] <_Bauer> Guys, when I report a problem/crash, or right click on  /var/crash/some.file and report it, the apport is not opening the bug report for me to track - is that normal? how do I fix this behaviour?
[21:24] <apb1963> t38: oh look... a kill and a restart and now it registers...
[21:25] <r3dfish> has anyone printed any of the 3d printable cases for their udoo yet, I found a couple on thingiverse
[21:25] <t38> apb1963: Interesting.  I would probably just start it with a script of my own.. Are you running the full version?
[21:25] <andybrine> I still have no wallpaper
[21:26] <apb1963> t38: free version
[21:26] <apb1963> t38: Calls out :)
[21:26] <t38> apb1963: SWEET
[21:27] <Die_Nadal> Anyone using STEAM here?
[21:27] <Die_Nadal> To play games that is... ?
[21:28] <k1l> !details | Die_Nadal
[21:28] <bitplane> Hi all, I think I've found some sort of problem with either the autotools or gobject-introspection packages, and need someone familiar with autotools to help me please
[21:29] <apb1963> t38: However... it doesn't ring on incoming
[21:31] <_Bauer> guys, this problem is NOT fixed yet... https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-gnome/2013-October/000940.html or am I missing something? its a very big problem...
[21:31] <jurgis_t> omg! dunno what you guys did but blender just runs so much faster on my 7 year old thinkpad after the latest ubuntu update. Thank YOU!!!
[21:33] <t38> apb1963: No big deal.. You prolly didn;t wanna talk to them anyway.  Did you say you were running asterisk?
[21:34] <tw0> hi
[21:34] <alex_> hey installing ubuntu onto my macbook via usb stick, currently in trminal waiting on the last command in tutorial to finish and it is taking a while, normal?
[21:35] <alex_> hello?
[21:36] <apb1963> t38: "Them" was me.  lol  yes to *
[21:36] <alex_> anyone in here to offer ubuntu support
[21:36] <alex_> ?
[21:37] <k1l> !details | alex_
[21:39] <Dr_willis> alex_,  and how do we know what the last command was....
[21:39] <alex_> @ubottu Im running Ubuntu 13.10 and installing it to my macbook with a usb stick, ive followed the supplied tutorial exactly and am at the last step: (Execute  sudo dd if=/path/to/downloaded.img of=/dev/diskN bs=1m)     So far its been about 15 mins and no response from terminal except if i would try to close it says it will terminate the running proccess dd sudo
[21:40] <Dr_willis> a dd command can take quite a bit of time to work.
[21:40] <Dr_willis> there will be no response untill its done
[21:41] <alex_> thank you DR Willis, appreciate it
[21:41] <Dr_willis> !tab
[21:41] <bekks> alex_: How big is the /path/to/downloaded.img ?
[21:41] <Dr_willis> i do hope he used the actual path to the img. :)
[21:41] <bitplane> I'm having problems compiling gnome-sound-recorder from source, I installed gobject-introspection but this configure.ac script fails: http://pastebin.com/maEpLgPz
[21:41] <Ben64> alex_: open a second terminal, and type "sudo killall -SIGUSR1 dd"
[21:41] <alex_> thanks for the help all! it just finished *facepalm* so im gonna go do this and feel stupid bye
[21:41] <bitplane> Would this suggest a problem with gobject-introspection package / package name or an autoconf bug?
[21:41] <apb1963> Dr_willis: And the right disk
[21:41] <apb1963> device
[21:42] <trism> bitplane: you might need libgirepository1.0-dev
[21:43] <bitplane> thanks trism!
[21:43] <Dr_willis> bitplane,  if a program is int he repos.. you can use 'sudo apt-get build-dep  packagename' that will pull in all needed dependencies to compile the app. (might be build-deps)
[21:44] <bitplane> Dr_willis, I did that but I'm checking to see if the bug in Ubuntu is also upstream, so I'm compiling git head from gnome.org
[21:44] <rawrmonster> I have paid for Amnesia in the past and want to reinstall on my ubuntu 13.10 but it says not available for your current ubuntu version. please contact the vendor for an update. does anyone know how i can get this installed?
[21:44] <bitplane> trism, that worked. Thank you!
[21:45] <Dr_willis> sounds like its saying  it wont run in your current os version rawrmonster ...
[21:45] <bekks> rawrmonster: Ask the vendor. They do know why they are telling you it isnt available for your version.
[21:45] <rawrmonster> bekks: i paid for it in ubuntu software center though who do i contact?
[21:46] <bekks> rawrmonster: The author, I guess.
[21:46] <x3medima17> hello, everyone. i've just installed ElementaryOS and my battery works just for an hour (on win7 it works 4 hours), i read that problem could be in video adapter, each 5 seconds i hear that cooler starts then stops, what can I do? I own DELL Inspiron N5110
[21:46] <rawrmonster> ok ty for you help
[21:46] <bekks> x3medima17: Ask the elementaryOS support, since thats not supported in here.
[21:47] <x3medima17> bekks, on ubuntu I had same problem, I thought that it's because OS
[21:47] <user239823> Hi there, is it allowed to get support on Ubuntu One and duplicity from here?
[21:48] <wiak> i have two kernels, and want to install a new driver in 3.8 not 3.11 using dkms, can someone gimme a hint?
[21:48] <bekks> x3medima17: You are not on Ubuntu, so thats not a valid support question for this channel :)
[21:48] <apb1963> t38: had more than one softphone running (leftovers from testing)... killing them and reregistering zoiper is all it took.  I take it back, zoiper works on ubuntu 12.04 as long as you have the proper libs and whatnot...gnome/gtk for example.
[21:49] <user239823> Does anyone know how I can get duplicity to backup to Ubuntu One?
[21:49] <user239823> (not through deja dup)
[21:50] <bekks> user239823: You would have to mount your Ubuntu One as a filesystem, I dont know wether that is possible.
[21:51] <t38> apb1963:  GTK, yep
[21:51] <user239823> Thanks for the reply! I checked the duplicity settings, and it mentions something about "backends and their URL format". Does that have anything to do with it?
[21:52] <bekks> user239823: I never used duplicity.
[21:52] <OerHeks> user239823, should be easy & standard >>
[21:52] <apb1963> t38: thanks for all the help fax guy!  lol
[21:52] <OerHeks> user239823, see http://www.howtogeek.com/108869/how-to-back-up-ubuntu-the-easy-way-with-dj-dup/
[21:53] <user239823> OerHeks: Thanks, I'm trying to do it without Deja Dup because I'm using it with Cron.
[21:53] <t38> apb1963:  My pleasure.. Hope it all continues to work
[21:53] <OerHeks> user239823, it has a scheduler build in too.
[21:53] <k1l> user239823: dejadup got an own scheduler
[21:54] <user239823> OerHeks: Is it possible to change the time of schedule though?
[21:55] <OerHeks> user239823, no, that part is poorly implented, daily or weekly
[21:56] <ampw> how do i set macro keys
[21:56] <andreex> hi there. I installed Ubutnu 13 from mini.iso but it's not working. When it reaches the point when it would ask for a password it keeps alternating between a pink screen and a blank one. so until I find a way to fix it I want to boot from the second disk, which has Ubunto 12 LTS. As the GRUB splash screen has both systems listed I want to change the default boot disk for the moment. I've looked in the Internet, bu most sites mention file /boot/menu.lst..
[21:56] <andreex> . unfortunately I don't have this file in /boot. any hint on how to change the default boot disk on this Ubuntu machine?
[21:56] <ampw> i want it to auto type something when i press something
[21:56] <bekks> user239823: If not, it would be pointless, would it? :)
[21:56] <rennardc> list
[21:58] <user239823> OerHeks: I see, in that case, do you know if there is a way to backup with Duplicity to Ubuntu One? I tried "duplicity --help" and it seems to mention online capabilities (gdocs, FTP, webdav), but I'm not sure how to use Ubuntu One with iut.
[21:59] <rennardc> quit
[21:59] <rennardc> quit
[21:59] <rennardc> exit
[21:59] <jmgk> rennardc:  /quit
[21:59] <jmgk> :)
[22:04] <user239823> A better way to phrase the question would be: is there anyway I can find out what URL Deja Dup backups to when I use Ubuntu One as the location?
[22:05] <oliver_> hello, i have a big problem, whenever i suspend, my screen wont turn on after a suspend, this happend after i upgraded to 13.10, had a lot of issues with 13.10 so downgraded to 12.04, but now my suspend doesn't work here too, it did before
[22:06] <alex______> Ok I'm back, with some more questions. I have installed Ubuntu 13.10 onto my USB stick to be used on my mac. i finished the whole tutorial process and restarted my mac and opened ubuntu from my usb stick. Now it seems Ubuntu is opening and operational, but it opens the ubuntu install client and wants me to erase and replace my mac osx with ubuntu...i dont want to do that, if at all possible id like to use ubuntu from my usb stic
[22:06] <wiak> https://github.com/groeck/nct6775/ <- trying to compile that
[22:06] <alex______> to ubuntu
[22:08] <OerHeks> user239823, i can't find a good solution for duplicity.
[22:09] <user239823> OerHeks: Ok, thanks for your time anyway. Regards.
[22:09] <oliver_> alex______: you can see about using ubuntu on usb without installing here: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/try-ubuntu-before-you-install
[22:10] <sha1sum> so many underscores.
[22:10] <wiak> make: *** /usr/src/linux-headers-3.8.0-31-generic: No such file or directory. Stop.
[22:10] <wiak> :/
[22:11] <wiak> E: Package 'linux-headers-3.8.0-31-generic' has no installation candidate
[22:11] <wiak> erm
[22:11] <sha1sum> wiak: you probably need linux-headers package
[22:11] <sha1sum> oh wait
[22:11] <sha1sum> nevermind
[22:12] <sha1sum> I suppose that's the issue.
[22:12] <wiak> the module tells me it needs 3.8.0.31 but the system only got 3.11.0-12 and 3.5.0-39
[22:12] <ampw> is there a chromium ppa?
 can i run ubuntu applications that i have on cd or dvd while in the "try" mode?
[22:13] <Ubnoobtu> Hey All, I'm back again with some new issues which I think are entirely from me not being thorough enough.
[22:13] <wiak> meybe i should boot into 3.5 :P
[22:13] <wiak> and try again
[22:14] <sha1sum> wiak: probably won't solve the fact that it looks like it's wanting a specific kernel version, which seems creepy to me
[22:14] <erpo> My Ubuntu 12.04 box is stopping at an (initramfs) prompt when I try to boot it up.  I booted from a system rescue USB flash drive and ran fsck on my root filesystem, and it indicated that it replayed the journal. However, this did not solve the problem. Suggestions?
[22:16] <wiak> sha1sum 3.8.0-31-generic is the current running kernel, but the headers are MIA
[22:16] <oliver_> ubuntu 12.04, 12.10, 13.10, iam not able to use suspend function, it just gives me a black screen when i start up after suspend
[22:17] <sha1sum> wiak: did you build your kernel from source by any chance?
[22:18] <sha1sum> wiak: either way, is there any way you can install both the kernel and headers from the same version and boot to it?
[22:19] <wilee-nilee> erpo, Is this with kernel choice at grub?
[22:19] <wilee-nilee> every*
[22:19] <bcgrown> I upgraded to Xubuntu 13.10 and now I can't play multiple audio streams at once.  I could on 12.10 before I upgraded.  How do I make it work again?
[22:20] <erpo> wilee-nilee: This is after GRUB chooses a kernel by itself and boots it.
[22:20] <sha1sum> erpo: can you choose a different one and boot to it?
[22:20] <moris> hi i'm italian
[22:20] <sha1sum> moris: I'm english
[22:21] <sha1sum> nice to meet you
[22:21] <wilee-nilee> erpo, Have you tried any other kernels, if you do not see grub use the shift key to show it at powering on.
[22:21] <sha1sum> :P
[22:21] <erpo> wilee-nilee, sha1sum : I have tried two other, older kernels. It didn't help.
[22:22] <wilee-nilee> erpo, Any history leading to this missing here?
[22:22] <moris> shalsum: hi
[22:22] <erpo> wilee-nilee, sha1sum: I've written up the details at http://pastebin.com/wHqiXRjh
[22:22] <pawe> dcs
[22:22] <pawe> hi
[22:22] <sha1sum> (other than killing your neighbor over the loud music)
[22:23] <sha1sum> erpo: wow. good job :)
[22:24] <erpo> sha1sum: Thanks! If only it had worked, I'd be really pleased with myself. :)
[22:25] <sha1sum> Yeah the mdadm and RAID stuff is past my competency unfortunately :(
[22:25] <dougiel> what is the command to get grub to scan your system for OS installs...
[22:25] <k1l> dougiel: sudo update-grub
[22:25] <dougiel> Kll thanks
[22:25] <rizole> Do I need an antivirus?
[22:26] <dougiel> lol
[22:26] <sha1sum> rizole: probably not.
[22:26] <sha1sum> rizole: but can't hurt.
[22:26] <k1l> !antivirus | rizole
[22:26] <wiak> holy bokey smokes got it fixed
[22:26] <wiak> i was just missing the headers :p
[22:26] <rizole> Thank, I thought as much.
[22:26] <sha1sum> k1l: is there a list of helpful bot triggers anywhere? It seems like I've probably typed things that needn't be typed lol
[22:26] <wiak> had to fish them out of lunchpad :P
[22:27] <Ubnoobtu> I was just about to ask about home media servers. Whats the best one between linux systems?
[22:27] <k1l> sha1sum: i dont know of that list
[22:27] <moppy> Ubnoobtu,   i use xmbc, i dont know which is 'best' but i know that one works
[22:27] <wiak> Ubnoobtu well just use xbmc :P
[22:27] <wiak> or do you mean *server* ? :P
[22:27] <Ubnoobtu> xbmc like sony and playstation?
[22:27] <wiak> samba with windoze computer
[22:27] <wiak> i run linux on file server
[22:28] <wiak> xmbc on win ;)
[22:28] <Ubnoobtu> wiak what is a "server
[22:28] <Ubnoobtu> *server*
[22:28] <sha1sum> Ubnoobtu: what are you serving *to*?
[22:29] <Ubnoobtu> [18:27] <wiak> or do you mean *server* ? :P
[22:29] <SuperFAQ_com_br> Hi
[22:29] <wilee-nilee> sha1sum, There is a trigger list, I can't find it readily, but I have seen it.
[22:29] <deamanx> hey guys i have a q.My screen brightness can only be set via the terminal with "echo 100 | sudo tee /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness" is there anyway i can make my hardware button work?
[22:30] <sha1sum> You say "home media server". Are you talking about serving media files *to* something or are you talking about something else?
[22:30] <wylde> sha1sum, http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi
[22:31] <sha1sum> wylde: nice!
[22:31] <hitsujiTMO> deamanx: you should be able to map the keyboard buttons to scripts with acpid or udev iirc
[22:32] <Ubnoobtu> sha1sum; Well, I want to transfer files from my laptop to the computer I've just gotten running.  both are running "precise". I want the files to be on both, just not 'projected'
[22:32] <sleepie^> Is there a proprietary driver for the Intel i3 on-dye GPU?
[22:33] <hitsujiTMO> deamanx: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LaptopSpecialKeys
[22:33] <sha1sum> Ubnoobtu: probably setting up NFS is the best
[22:34] <deamanx> Ok thx hitsujiTMO, Is there a reason it doesnt work with neither software or hardware?
[22:34] <wiak> sha1sum nah, just use SMB, NFS is a mess on windoze
[22:35] <sha1sum> wiak: he's got two Ubuntu machines.
[22:35] <wiak> aah
[22:35] <sha1sum> "he"
[22:35] <hitsujiTMO> deamanx: the only reason why it wont work by default would that its sending a non standard signal
[22:35] <sha1sum> (assumption, sorry)
[22:35] <sleepie^> Can linux-image-extra be removed? What are the extra modues?
[22:35] <wiak> drivers i bet
[22:35] <wiak> :P
[22:35] <wiak> frameworks, apis too i think and some extra?
[22:35] <bekks> wiak: No.
[22:36] <bekks> wiak: Just drivers.
[22:36] <hitsujiTMO> sleepie^: thats your driver modules, i.e. sound, wifi, ehternet ... anything not build into the kernel
[22:36] <deamanx> "video DD02 00000087 00000000 video DD02 00000086 00000000" is what i get from acpi_listen hitsujiTMO
[22:36] <deamanx> and it does seem to trigger the software
[22:36] <sleepie^> hitsujiTMO: Ohhh, thank you.
[22:37] <Ubnoobtu> Hey, Thanks sha1sum, I 'm reading in to it now. Would you say it is difficult?
[22:37] <deamanx> the brighnessbar changes but nothing happens
[22:39] <hitsujiTMO> deamanx: then you just need to setup events for both buttons in the form of: event=video DD02 00000087      yadadada
[22:40] <deamanx> ok Thx!!
[22:47] <zerus> привет )
[22:47] <zerus> есть русские?
[22:47] <k1l> !ru | zerus
[22:49] <Die_Nadal> Is there a way to encrypt a folder? Ubuntu 13.10
[22:49] <c5RzK4> no way uninstall
[22:49] <hitsujiTMO> !encryption | Die_Nadal
[22:50] <Die_Nadal> Thank you.
[22:50] <javanic> hey.. does anyone know the command to use in terminal to remove old files to free up space? I'm trying to download an update and don't have the space
[22:50] <hitsujiTMO> javanic: apt-get clean
[22:50] <c5RzK4> welcome
[22:50] <javanic> hitsujiTMO,  that easy? thanks so much :)
[22:51] <c5RzK4> Die_Nadal, google will help you a lot
[22:52] <hitsujiTMO> javanic: its will clean your apt-cache, should be a lot of old .debs there, you should also look into purging old kernels and kernel headers
[22:52] <k1l> !google | c5RzK4
[22:52] <javanic> hitsujiTMO, how do i go about doing all that?
[22:52] <Die_Nadal> This means that my home directory is encrypted right ? (.Private -> /home/.ecryptfs/user/.Private)
[22:53] <Die_Nadal> or just .Private ?
[22:54] <javanic> hitsujiTMO,  when i try the apt-get clean it asks me for the password, then doesn't do anything.. i don't get it lol
[22:55] <k1l> javanic: no output does mean "no error"
[22:55] <SchrodingersScat> Die_Nadal: weird, I have an ecryptfs Private directory, I don't have a .Private folder in my /home/user/.ecryptfs though
[22:56] <alexw> is there a quick way to change the ubuntu mirror?
[22:56] <javanic> k1l, I tried to do the update and it still said that I don't have enough disc space..
[22:56] <k1l> javanic: do the "apt-get autoremove" too
[22:56] <wilee-nilee> alexw, yes in software sources
[22:56] <c5RzK4> javanic, try autoremove
[22:56] <javanic> k1l,  i'll try that now..
[22:56] <alexw> wilee-nilee non gui
[22:56] <k1l> javanic: after that please show a "df -h"
[22:56] <k1l> (in a pastebin
[22:57] <wilee-nilee> alexw, nano the sources.list probably and change it
[22:57] <sha1sum> nano? ew.
[22:57] <sha1sum> ;)
[22:58] <k1l> alexw: you can change to the main servers in the the system settings > upgrades and software
[22:58] <okay19> How do you set the mount point of the EFI system partition in the installer?
[22:58] <javanic> javanic@javanic-basment:~$ df -h
[22:58] <javanic> Filesystem               Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[22:58] <javanic> /dev/mapper/ubuntu-root  228G   29G  187G  14% /
[22:58] <javanic> none                     4.0K     0  4.0K   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
[22:58] <javanic> udev                     936M  4.0K  936M   1% /dev
[22:58] <FloodBot1> javanic: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:58] <javanic> tmpfs                    189M  1.1M  188M   1% /run
[22:58] <sha1sum> whoops.
[22:58] <k1l> javanic: please put that into a pastebin (see the bots message)
[22:59] <sha1sum> unless we're missing something, how big is this update?!
[22:59] <sha1sum> 187G available... doubt it's large enough
[22:59] <javanic> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6315228/
[22:59] <hitsujiTMO> javanic: can you tell me the output of: uname -r         and dpkg --get-selections | grep linux-image                 and dpkg --get-selections | grep linux-header
[23:00] <Die_Nadal> schrodingersscat do you run ubuntu gnome 13.10 ?
[23:00] <javanic> hitsujiTMO, I managed to get it to update with the "autoremove". Honestly I'm not too sure what you are asking me to do..
[23:00] <javanic> k1l, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6315228/
[23:00] <k1l> javanic: since / is big ennough but /boot is an extra partition which is quite small see if you can remove old kernel-packages
[23:01] <sha1sum> ohhhh snap it's a kernel update probably
[23:01] <sha1sum> makes sense
[23:01] <hitsujiTMO> javanic: in the terminal type these 2 commands and paste the output with pastebinit:   uname -r      dpkg --get-selections | grep linux-image
[23:01] <sha1sum> was missing something :D
[23:03] <wiak> lets prey my server wont go down when i encode now
[23:04] <okay19> Do I need to set the mount point for an existing EFI system partition when installing?
[23:05] <Die_Nadal> So does anyone have a folder structure like this? in Ubuntu Gnome 13.10  (.Private -> /home/.ecryptfs/user/.Private)
[23:05] <javanic> hitsujiTMO, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6315241/ and yes I'm aware basement is spelled wrong lol not sure how to change it
[23:05] <Dr_Willis> okay19:  useing the custom partioning layout method? aka 'somthing else' ?
[23:06] <hitsujiTMO> javanic: you can change basement in /etc/hostname
[23:06] <parduse> whats my best application option to use ubuntu server in a virtual pc.Virtualbox from Oraccle or wmware player from windoz3?
[23:07] <parduse> win 7 will be the host
[23:07] <hitsujiTMO> javanic: run this: sudo apt-get purge linux-image-3.5.0-27-generic linux-image-3.8.0-21-generic linux-image-3.8.0-22-generic linux-image-3.8.0-23-generic linux-image-3.8.0-25-generic linux-image-3.8.0-26-generic linux-image-3.8.0-30-generic
[23:07] <k1l> javanic: yoou can remove the old "linux-image-..." and "linux-header-..." packages. but keep at least one kernel installed :)
[23:07] <Dr_Willis> more '/boot is full how to i clean it out' questions? ;)
[23:08] <Dr_Willis> okay19:  chat in the channel. most of us ignore pm's
[23:08] <okay19> Ok
[23:08] <Dr_Willis> okay19:  and from that ive read of the efi install wiki page  you mount that partion to /boot/efi or somthing like that.
[23:08] <Dr_Willis> !uefi
[23:09] <hitsujiTMO> parduse: either should be just as good
[23:09] <javanic> hitsujiTMO, running it now
[23:09] <okay19> Dr_Willis: I saw that, but the partition's type is labeled "EFI boot partition" in the list and there is no option to set the mount point.
[23:09] <parduse> ty Dr_Willis & hitsujiTMO
[23:09] <okay19> Dr_Willis: So do I just leave it and install?
[23:09] <erpo> If anyone else is having the same problem, the solution was to add the kernel option bootdegraded=yes in GRUB. Apparently one of my disks was dying in a way that *didn't* show up in /proc/mdstat even after running a check.
[23:10] <Dr_Willis> okay19:  no idea then. I have never used a uefi system.  from what i recall reading its a fat32 partion and mounted to /boot/uefi
[23:10] <okay19> Ah, ok.
[23:10] <hitsujiTMO> okay19: what exactly are you trying to do?
[23:10] <Dr_Willis> okay19:  go for it. ;)
[23:10] <Dr_Willis> install to a uefi system . using custome partioning.
[23:11] <javanic> hitsujiTMO, ok.. it's done. do i need to check anything to make sure it's done what it needs to? or should it be assumed that all is good now?
[23:12] <hitsujiTMO> okay19: yeah, if you want to reformat the efi partition, it must be marked as ef00 (with gdisk or cgdisk) and you mount that to /boot/efi as dr_willis said
[23:12] <Anonynimity> how would I find out the computer names connected to my network and their ip addresses via terminal?
[23:12] <parduse> Anonynimity tried users already?
[23:12] <hitsujiTMO> javanic: have a look at: df -h
[23:13] <Anonynimity> I don't know what that is parduse...
[23:13] <k1l> Die_Nadal: its encryptfs encrypted home. you did choose that on install
[23:13] <Anonynimity> I'm looking for other device names connected to the network with their ip addresses.
[23:13] <parduse> nv that was a command for logged in users which you arent askink about
[23:13] <javanic> hitsujiTMO,  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6315278/
[23:14] <jcrza> So I found a step-by-step page to install a PXE server that enables you to pick from multiple distros on the client computer, but is there something that makes it a bit easier?
[23:14] <hitsujiTMO> javanic: sweet, you've a crapton of space in /boot again. remember to clean it out after every few dist-upgrades
[23:14] <javanic> hitsujiTMO, by just using the "autoremove"?
[23:15] <jcrza> Oop, answered my own question. ERPXE looks like what I need
[23:16] <hitsujiTMO> javanic: by looking at what your current kernel is with: uname -r      and remove any kernels you see that are older than that listed as installed in: dpkg --get-selections | grep linux-image
[23:17] <javanic> hitsujiTMO, ok, so use the same "apt-get purge" with whatever isn't the current kernel?
[23:18] <hitsujiTMO> javanic: not whatever isn't just whatever is older than the kernel .. you dont want to purge newer kernels
[23:18] <okay19> Does the installer set the EFI boot partition's mount point automatically?
[23:18] <hitsujiTMO> okay19: yes it does if you let ubuntu do the partitioning
[23:19] <okay19> hitsujiTMO: What if you do it yourself, or 'something else'?
[23:19] <javanic> hitsujiTMO, ok cool. thanks for the help! how do i learn how to do all this myself? is there any good resources that i can read up on?
[23:20] <hitsujiTMO> okay19: what you can do is let ubuntu do it, then go back and edit what it does
[23:20] <hitsujiTMO> javanic: google is the best resource to be honest. wel for me anyway
[23:20] <okay19> hitsujiTMO: The problem is that the installer isn't detecting windows 8 and I'm trying a dual boot here
[23:21] <javanic> hitsujiTMO, ok, thanks again.. much appreciated! :)
[23:24] <Die_Nadal> k1l yes I thought I had but wanted to know if it worked, or at least how to confirm it.
[23:28] <hitsujiTMO> okay19: its almost impossible for the installer not to pick up windows since it just needs to see the efi boot manager to see what operating systems you've installed. have you made room for the ubuntu install manually?
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[23:31] <liuguobing> exit
[23:33] <prx> Hey
[23:35] <prx> I'm trying to download some packages, and i get this weird error message: Failed to fetch http://il.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/d/distribute/python-setuptools_0.6.34-0ubuntu1_all.deb  Could not connect to 69.147.225.29:3128 (69.147.225.29). - connect (111: Connection refused)
[23:36] <prx> seems like a proxy to me, but i'm not using any proxy (69.147.225.29:3128)
[23:36] <odium> I did some magic to get lighttp to incorporate libx264 streaming libraries, but now ssl won't work, can someone set me on the right path to get them both working?
[23:36] <hitsujiTMO> prx: check your apt.conf to see if theres a proxy there
[23:39] <prx> how did it get there? :)
[23:40] <hitsujiTMO> prx: did you at any stage put in the proxy?
[23:40] <prx> since its the only thing on that file, should i just make it blank?
[23:40] <prx> i never put a proxy on apt-get specifically, only for the whole network
[23:40] <Richhh> trying to install ubuntu for dual booting with xp, checksum on iso ok, no disc defects, no ram problems, installation freezes on ubuntu . . . . . screen (whether i try to fully install or try first)
[23:41] <hitsujiTMO> prx: you should be able to safely clear it. afaik, that gets populated if you speficy a proxy during the installation install
[23:41] <Richhh> (12.04 32bit)
[23:42] <hitsujiTMO> Richhh: what graphics card do you have?
[23:42] <prx> hitsujiTMO, i cleared the file but it still tries to use it, any idea how to refresh?
[23:43] <Richhh> hitsujiTMO not sure, checking...
[23:43] <Richhh> pretty sure its onboard
[23:43] <hitsujiTMO> prx, check in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ too incase there's more than one entry
[23:44] <hitsujiTMO> Richhh: first try booting with the kernel option: nomodeset
[23:45] <hitsujiTMO> Richhh: if that doesn't work remove the 'quiet' and 'splash' options and you should see the dmesg output at the time of the crash
[23:45] <ampw> anyone have a server
[23:45] <hitsujiTMO> !anyone | ampw
[23:45] <ampw> hitsujiTMO: sorry wrong chat*
[23:45] <prx> hitsujiTMO, no, nothing on there.
[23:46] <bibi346> hi, in web-development, instead of sending an email when the user is waiting for the http response, some people delegate this task to some backend worker, so taht the response can be sent asap, do you know how it is called? Is there a name for this programming technique?
[23:46] <hitsujiTMO> prx: try a reboot, have you actually used that proxy before?
[23:46] <prx> i cant really tell, lets hope i did :)
[23:46] <hitsujiTMO> bibi346: reverse proxy
[23:47] <prx> i'll reboot, thanks :)
[23:47] <hitsujiTMO> bibi346: crap never read your question fully...
[23:48] <hitsujiTMO> !ot | delegation is the answer and this is not the place to be asking such a question. try a programming channel
[23:49] <Richhh> ok hitsujiTMO , will try now, gfx card is GeForce 6200SE TurboCache
[23:50] <paulo> boa noite
[23:50] <paulo> ??
[23:51] <bob_> i never thought i'd say it
[23:52] <bob_> but unity doesnt suck anymore
[23:52] <jmgk> hah bob_ :d
[23:53] <prx> ok thats weird, rebooting didnt work
[23:53] <prx> and apt.conf is empty...
[23:54] <hitsujiTMO> prx: you getting the error on: apt-get update?
[23:54] <prx> yep.
[23:54] <prx> any apt-get command thats trying to fetch files
[23:55] <hitsujiTMO> prx: did you ever knowingly use that proxy before?
[23:55] <prx> i cant remember, i have been using quite alot at some point.
[23:56] <Richhh> hitsujiTMO with nomodeset i just got Starting crash report submission daemon
[23:58] <hitsujiTMO> Richhh: remove the quiet and splash params so. (and leave off nomodeset). you should get some indication of what your underlying problem is from that.
[23:58] <prx> found the ip on etc/environment
[23:58] <prx> whats that?
[23:59] <hitsujiTMO> prx: set as an environment var? that's bizarre
[23:59] <Richhh> it says . . . . * Starting crash report submission daemon      [OK]  but no response to enter/space/y/o/k
[23:59] <Richhh> ok ill do that
[23:59] <prx> http_proxy="http://69.147.225.29:3128/