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| brainwash | did anyone notice the behavior described in bug 1243837 ? | 11:27 |
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| ubottu | bug 1243837 in xfce4 (Ubuntu) "Restart in the main menu does a logout instead" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1243837 | 11:27 |
| elfy | not seen it | 11:42 |
| === brainwash_ is now known as brainwash | ||
| jjfrv8 | bluesabre, the playlist remove duplicates setting works well in latest build :) | 13:16 |
| === Guest8737 is now known as Mapley | ||
| bluesabre | jjfrv8, great to hear; I'll make sure to do another dev release soon | 13:59 |
| bluesabre | today I'm working on rearranging the home, so I'll be off and on | 13:59 |
| jjfrv8 | bluesabre, good luck with that ^ :D | 14:28 |
| Mapley | Question for the devs - | 14:38 |
| Mapley | How did you set a mouse cursor theme for LightDM? | 14:38 |
| Mapley | That is, with the GTK greeter. | 14:39 |
| Mapley | Oh, I see. /usr/share/icons/default/index.theme inherits DMZ-Black. Disregard that! | 14:40 |
| Mapley | s/Black/White/ | 14:43 |
| ochosi | jjfrv8, bluesabre: that's great progress on the parole-docs! | 17:42 |
| ochosi | about the screenshot stuff, i'm not sure, but i'd want *at least* the screeners in the parole-docs to be consistent | 17:42 |
| bluesabre | xfce docs have to use a certain theme, right? | 17:43 |
| ochosi | so if they're not the same as the rest (because e.g. the xfce-engine doesn't support a nice styling of the overlay-playback-controls, then we should at least have one gtk/icon-theme that *we* stick to) | 17:43 |
| bluesabre | (gtk-theme) | 17:43 |
| ochosi | yes, also faenza as icon-theme | 17:43 |
| ochosi | that part should work fine (faenza should have most icons that we need – apart from face-sick) | 17:44 |
| ochosi | the xfce docs uise the xfce gtk-theme and the faenza icon-theme | 17:45 |
| ochosi | but i think as parole isn't part of -core, it's not a huge problem if we do things a little differently | 17:45 |
| jjfrv8 | ochosi, ok, I'll make sure I use the gtk-theme and the faenza icons. Is there an official version of faenza? I don't see them in the repository. | 19:19 |
| jjfrv8 | I went to xfce.org to get some, but they don't seem to be complete. Lot of missing icons. Not on Parole,though. | 19:20 |
| jjfrv8 | They just look slightly different on Parole's menu items. | 19:20 |
| jjfrv8 | slickymaster, let's make sure we use them on the screenshots we do when we get to the menu items. | 19:21 |
| Noskcaj | jjfrv8, No one's bothered to sponsor faenza in debian, i think there are two versions packaged | 19:23 |
| jjfrv8 | Noskcaj, where are those versions? Do you happen to know which one Xfce prefers? | 19:25 |
| Noskcaj | not really, i'll try and find some info | 19:25 |
| jjfrv8 | thanks. bbl. | 19:26 |
| Noskcaj | xfce probably prefers faenza-xfce, custom made by ochosi | 19:33 |
| Noskcaj | oops, i pinged him | 19:33 |
| Noskcaj | The git for the packaging is at https://github.com/rbrito/pkg-faenza-icon-theme | 19:34 |
| Noskcaj | I wonder if micah or lionel could try and get it uploaded straight to ubuntu | 19:34 |
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| ochosi | jjfrv8: just use the latest version of faenza you can find, e.g. in the launchpad repo | 19:51 |
| ochosi | no need for faenza-xfce, it was just an addon but most of it was merged into faenza itself by now | 19:51 |
| knome | good evening | 19:53 |
| Noskcaj | morning knome | 19:54 |
| knome | hey Noskcaj | 19:58 |
| elfy | hi knome | 19:59 |
| Unit193 | Howdy elfy. | 19:59 |
| knome | hey elfy, Unit193 | 19:59 |
| elfy | hi Unit193 | 20:00 |
| knome | and hai ochosi | 20:01 |
| ochosi | knome: i've thought a bit about our roadmap for 14.04 | 21:19 |
| ochosi | todo-items etc. | 21:19 |
| Unit193 | And you'd like to take most? | 21:19 |
| ochosi | most of what i can think of at the moment concerns xfce upstream | 21:19 |
| ochosi | and helping them to get 4.12 ready and out | 21:20 |
| ochosi | so i might focus on that | 21:20 |
| knome | ochosi, feel free to update the wikipage | 21:20 |
| ochosi | right, but i'm not sure it's something very "trackable" | 21:21 |
| knome | the roadmap itself doesn't need to be all-trackable work items | 21:21 |
| Noskcaj10 | ochosi, One way you could help is convince corsac to upload the 4.11 stuff to experimental | 21:21 |
| ochosi | Noskcaj10: nah, i'm not really into packaging | 21:21 |
| Noskcaj10 | It's all packaged, it's just a case of corsac doesn't have enough people helping with bugs to upload it | 21:22 |
| ochosi | well then what can i do? | 21:23 |
| Noskcaj10 | i've got to go to school now, bye | 21:23 |
| skellat | Noskcaj10! | 21:23 |
| brainwash | any plans to get rid of gnome-system-tools (users-admin)? | 21:24 |
| micahg | Noskcaj10: we won't take all of 4.11 in Ubuntu anyways, only the pieces we need for the gtk3 indicator enablement and that other feature we wanted | 21:24 |
| ochosi | brainwash: well there's a mostly-finished part of a replacement for that in git.xfce | 21:25 |
| ochosi | brainwash: but someone would have to pick it up and finish it | 21:25 |
| ochosi | hey micahg | 21:25 |
| brainwash | ochosi: oh, I see | 21:25 |
| micahg | hi | 21:27 |
| micahg | well, we don't want a rushed 4.12, we want a stable LTS | 21:28 |
| ochosi | yeah, i'll just do whatever i can to support xfce (as i do almost always, but i'm not sure what i'll do for this xubuntu release specifically) | 21:28 |
| ochosi | micahg: any luck in getting the indicator-stuff or the panel into a ppa yet? | 21:31 |
| micahg | no, been busy unfortunately | 21:31 |
| micahg | I've got work still this weekend | 21:31 |
| ochosi | wow, for me the weekend is clearly over :) | 21:32 |
| micahg | I'm going to try again this week | 21:32 |
| knome | ochosi, timezones... | 21:32 |
| micahg | I think I'm 7 hours behind you | 21:33 |
| knome | he's UTC+1 | 21:34 |
| micahg | ah, 6 houts | 21:34 |
| micahg | *hours | 21:34 |
| micahg | oh, did he already roll back DST? | 21:35 |
| knome | though DST ended last night, was +2 | 21:35 |
| knome | i'm +2 now. | 21:35 |
| knome | i think all of EU did. | 21:35 |
| micahg | so, he's now +1 | 21:35 |
| ochosi | yup | 21:35 |
| brainwash | ochosi: greybird will remain the default theme, right? | 21:36 |
| micahg | so, 7 time zones, 6 hours :) | 21:36 |
| micahg | still UTC-5 for another week | 21:36 |
| knome | they should get rid of the DST madness. | 21:37 |
| ochosi | brainwash: yeah, i think it will | 21:37 |
| knome | well unless there is another as tested, as well supported theme... | 21:37 |
| brainwash | all shimmer ones are :P | 21:37 |
| knome | all of them kind of are, but not really | 21:37 |
| ochosi | well, i don't personally use bluebird or albatross anymore | 21:37 |
| ochosi | so that means they got a lot less attention | 21:38 |
| knome | albatross needs reworking | 21:38 |
| brainwash | numix | 21:38 |
| ochosi | numix is farely tested, but its focus is on gnome3 | 21:38 |
| ochosi | and i'm not driving that project really | 21:38 |
| knome | bluebird is mostly good, since it's getting stuff from greybird | 21:38 |
| ochosi | i helped a bit here and there with the gtk2 part | 21:38 |
| ochosi | and with the xfwm part | 21:38 |
| ochosi | but really, numix is not very much in my hands | 21:38 |
| ochosi | i'm happy we have it aboard though | 21:38 |
| brainwash | there is nothing bad about greybird, just feel that it got a bit boring | 21:39 |
| knome | that's not a problem really, but i agree the fact that its focus is not xfce is a con | 21:39 |
| ochosi | well numix is mostly being tested on fedora with gnome3 | 21:39 |
| brainwash | you can but it even in the software center | 21:40 |
| ochosi | brainwash: yeah, we can consider switching themes at some point. tbh i grew a bit weary of designing new themes... | 21:40 |
| knome | generally i think after LTS is a good spot to do that | 21:41 |
| brainwash | maybe some new slight changes to greybird would do the job | 21:41 |
| brainwash | so it feels "new" | 21:41 |
| knome | heh. | 21:41 |
| knome | please, no changes for the sake of changes | 21:41 |
| ochosi | brainwash: actually, i did change the menu color since the last LTS | 21:42 |
| ochosi | that enraged quite a few people | 21:42 |
| micahg | +1, I'd like to just get everything stable for the LTS | 21:42 |
| ochosi | many loved it though too | 21:42 |
| brainwash | yeah, and we got the theme config tool now | 21:42 |
| ochosi | micahg: yeah, no worries, i'm not planning anything crazy ;) | 21:42 |
| ochosi | brainwash: exactly. so you can even get that 12.04 greybird look back, if you really want | 21:43 |
| knome | ultimately, users can and will change themes, wallpaper, installed applications and what not, so the point is to ship a sensible default... | 21:43 |
| knome | who knows what we end up doing after 14.04 with simon :) | 21:44 |
| ochosi | exactly | 21:44 |
| ochosi | maybe i'll be "too old for this s***" (to quote a weary black man) | 21:45 |
| brainwash | right, the LTS should be stable and not cause any uproars like 13.10 did | 21:46 |
| * micahg is checking the latest abiword now | 21:47 | |
| brainwash | 13.10 is like the worst release since I'm using ubuntu mainly (maybe because I did lots of bug tracking and debugging) | 21:47 |
| micahg | brainwash: we can try to fix the indicators, anything else wronf? | 21:47 |
| micahg | *wrong | 21:47 |
| brainwash | uhm, the terminal segfault comes to mind, a patch is available and ali1234 even build the package in his PPA | 21:49 |
| brainwash | bug 1206739 | 21:50 |
| ubottu | bug 1206739 in xfce4-terminal (Ubuntu) "xfce4-terminal crashed with SIGSEGV in magazine_chain_pop_head()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1206739 | 21:50 |
| ochosi | brainwash: i think that yes, it's due to the debugging that you see this release as particularly bad | 21:50 |
| ochosi | but true, the sound-indicator-issue isn't nice | 21:50 |
| ochosi | 14.04 will certainly be better | 21:51 |
| brainwash | everything seems to go so slow after release, are people afraid of filing SRU reports? :) | 21:51 |
| knome | was thinking the same, doing a lot of debugging doesn't inherently mean the release is bad | 21:51 |
| knome | you just were involved more... | 21:51 |
| micahg | I think part of the problem is that mr_pouit and I have really been lacking time | 21:51 |
| knome | the fix for the problem is supporting bluesabre to get upload permissions ASAP | 21:52 |
| micahg | I'd love too, as soon as he has enough experience :0 | 21:52 |
| knome | with supporting i also meant making him have. | 21:52 |
| brainwash | bug 1222021 is bothering many people too | 21:53 |
| ubottu | bug 1222021 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Laptop sleeps when lid is closed, regardless of Power Manager Settings." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1222021 | 21:53 |
| ochosi | yeah, xfce-powerman needs to support systemd at some point | 21:55 |
| ochosi | but there's no-one to work on that (upstream) | 21:55 |
| ochosi | so we might (at some point) have to think about alternatives | 21:55 |
| knome | probably a good idea to keep an eye on that for T | 21:56 |
| brainwash | a patch has been released months ago | 21:57 |
| micahg | needs to support powerd at least | 21:57 |
| knome | if we seeked for somebody who could work on that now, we might get it done for T... ;) | 21:57 |
| ochosi | +1 | 21:58 |
| knome | looks like i might be a bit more available... well, sometime next month .P | 21:59 |
| ochosi | not sure where to find someone who can do that though | 21:59 |
| knome | but i'll try to squeeze in more FOSS-time | 21:59 |
| knome | send mails to email lists, shout around the social media, stuff like that | 21:59 |
| ochosi | there was a guy on the xfceML who added an interesting xfce4-powerman patch (laptop-keyboard-backlight support), he could be contacted | 21:59 |
| knome | yep, that kind of people. | 22:00 |
| ochosi | but then again, means being the go-between to get some xfce dev to review and push the code | 22:00 |
| knome | yyyyep. | 22:00 |
| knome | but i guess we need to make sure we have time for that kind of stuff now and in the future | 22:00 |
| ochosi | and nerves... | 22:03 |
| brainwash | oh yeah | 22:03 |
| knome | correct | 22:03 |
| brainwash | still got plenty of things to debug, and it's driving me mad | 22:04 |
| micahg | new abiword will hopefully land in trusty soon | 22:04 |
| * micahg just sync'd it | 22:05 | |
| brainwash | isn't saucy already shipping 3.0? | 22:05 |
| knome | micahg, a real release or a random snapshot? | 22:05 |
| micahg | 3.0.0 | 22:06 |
| brainwash | that reminds me of the libreoffice discussion | 22:06 |
| knome | brainwash, improving self-control is a thing that i encourage doing, but do not approve as an official work item :P | 22:06 |
| micahg | brainwash: saucy has a 3.0 snapshot, I'll have to see what the diff is to see if we can SRU 3.0 itself | 22:07 |
| micahg | backport is always an option | 22:07 |
| knome | saucy is "just" saucy, it's a non-LTS version just before an LTS; we should encourage everybody to upgrade to 14.04 anyway | 22:07 |
| micahg | knome: not for another 9 months :) | 22:07 |
| micahg | meh, at least | 22:08 |
| micahg | 6 | 22:08 |
| knome | heh. :) | 22:08 |
| micahg | I'd like to backport 3.0 all the way to precise | 22:08 |
| knome | i understand, but we should still consider if backporting something means that we will not have time to fix/do something else for 14.04 | 22:08 |
| micahg | I'm just severely lacking time right now | 22:08 |
| Unit193 | Heh, I'd like a backported cryptsetup once it hits trusty, but alas... | 22:09 |
| knome | but yeah, i think backporting 3.0.0 is a good idea | 22:09 |
| micahg | well, if people can do the testing, I can prepare uploads and push the buttons | 22:09 |
| brainwash | any benefit of doing it? it's just abiword :) | 22:09 |
| micahg | abiword in precise is atrocious | 22:09 |
| knome | micahg, a song for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xu3FTEmN-eg | 22:10 |
| knome | micahg, (wait for the refrain) | 22:10 |
| knome | actually, the C-part @ 2:00 | 22:12 |
| micahg | haha | 22:13 |
| ochosi | i think abiword is less important than the indicators | 22:13 |
| knome | yep | 22:13 |
| ochosi | SRUing or backporting those would be great | 22:13 |
| micahg | on my list for this week, if you don;t hear anything by Wed, poke me | 22:14 |
| ochosi | can do | 22:14 |
| knome | SRU would be awesome | 22:14 |
| ochosi | we should have a thug-bot for those things :) | 22:14 |
| micahg | haha | 22:14 |
| knome | what about the notes? | 22:15 |
| ochosi | what notes? | 22:15 |
| micahg | well, let's get it working first, then we can figure out backport vs SRU | 22:15 |
| knome | nah, let's SRU a broken stack! | 22:15 |
| ochosi | the cool thing is, as soon as we have gtk3-indicators working, we can patch lotsa indicators to work nicer with xfe | 22:16 |
| ochosi | xfce | 22:16 |
| ochosi | (e.g. power-indicator, which has the nice benefit of optionally showing the remaining battery-life/time with numbers in the panel) | 22:17 |
| brainwash | and it's once again "xmir or classic xorg", right? | 22:22 |
| knome | yep, we should consider that again | 22:22 |
| micahg | +1, let's wait until Ubuntu defaults to it before considering | 22:59 |
| micahg | though | 22:59 |
| knome | sure | 23:00 |
| ochosi | micahg: and let's hope ubuntu doesn't do anything crazy with the indicator-stack this cycle ;) | 23:02 |
| Unit193 | It's now Qt! | 23:05 |
| micahg | haha | 23:07 |
| knome | that wasn't a joke | 23:07 |
| micahg | oh, I thought ochosi was trying to be a straighman, obviously the indicator stack will undergo major changes for the LTS, it wouldn't be an LTS cycle otherwise :P | 23:08 |
| knome | yeah, why not | 23:09 |
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