=== alpacaherder is now known as skellat === Maple__ is now known as Guest8737 [11:27] did anyone notice the behavior described in bug 1243837 ? [11:27] bug 1243837 in xfce4 (Ubuntu) "Restart in the main menu does a logout instead" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1243837 [11:42] not seen it === brainwash_ is now known as brainwash [13:16] bluesabre, the playlist remove duplicates setting works well in latest build :) === Guest8737 is now known as Mapley [13:59] jjfrv8, great to hear; I'll make sure to do another dev release soon [13:59] today I'm working on rearranging the home, so I'll be off and on [14:28] bluesabre, good luck with that ^ :D [14:38] Question for the devs - [14:38] How did you set a mouse cursor theme for LightDM? [14:39] That is, with the GTK greeter. [14:40] Oh, I see. /usr/share/icons/default/index.theme inherits DMZ-Black. Disregard that! [14:43] s/Black/White/ [17:42] jjfrv8, bluesabre: that's great progress on the parole-docs! [17:42] about the screenshot stuff, i'm not sure, but i'd want *at least* the screeners in the parole-docs to be consistent [17:43] xfce docs have to use a certain theme, right? [17:43] so if they're not the same as the rest (because e.g. the xfce-engine doesn't support a nice styling of the overlay-playback-controls, then we should at least have one gtk/icon-theme that *we* stick to) [17:43] (gtk-theme) [17:43] yes, also faenza as icon-theme [17:44] that part should work fine (faenza should have most icons that we need – apart from face-sick) [17:45] the xfce docs uise the xfce gtk-theme and the faenza icon-theme [17:45] but i think as parole isn't part of -core, it's not a huge problem if we do things a little differently [19:19] ochosi, ok, I'll make sure I use the gtk-theme and the faenza icons. Is there an official version of faenza? I don't see them in the repository. [19:20] I went to xfce.org to get some, but they don't seem to be complete. Lot of missing icons. Not on Parole,though. [19:20] They just look slightly different on Parole's menu items. [19:21] slickymaster, let's make sure we use them on the screenshots we do when we get to the menu items. [19:23] jjfrv8, No one's bothered to sponsor faenza in debian, i think there are two versions packaged [19:25] Noskcaj, where are those versions? Do you happen to know which one Xfce prefers? [19:25] not really, i'll try and find some info [19:26] thanks. bbl. [19:33] xfce probably prefers faenza-xfce, custom made by ochosi [19:33] oops, i pinged him [19:34] The git for the packaging is at https://github.com/rbrito/pkg-faenza-icon-theme [19:34] I wonder if micah or lionel could try and get it uploaded straight to ubuntu === knome_ is now known as knome [19:51] jjfrv8: just use the latest version of faenza you can find, e.g. in the launchpad repo [19:51] no need for faenza-xfce, it was just an addon but most of it was merged into faenza itself by now [19:53] good evening [19:54] morning knome [19:58] hey Noskcaj [19:59] hi knome [19:59] Howdy elfy. [19:59] hey elfy, Unit193 [20:00] hi Unit193 [20:01] and hai ochosi [21:19] knome: i've thought a bit about our roadmap for 14.04 [21:19] todo-items etc. [21:19] And you'd like to take most? [21:19] most of what i can think of at the moment concerns xfce upstream [21:20] and helping them to get 4.12 ready and out [21:20] so i might focus on that [21:20] ochosi, feel free to update the wikipage [21:21] right, but i'm not sure it's something very "trackable" [21:21] the roadmap itself doesn't need to be all-trackable work items [21:21] ochosi, One way you could help is convince corsac to upload the 4.11 stuff to experimental [21:21] Noskcaj10: nah, i'm not really into packaging [21:22] It's all packaged, it's just a case of corsac doesn't have enough people helping with bugs to upload it [21:23] well then what can i do? [21:23] i've got to go to school now, bye [21:23] Noskcaj10! [21:24] any plans to get rid of gnome-system-tools (users-admin)? [21:24] Noskcaj10: we won't take all of 4.11 in Ubuntu anyways, only the pieces we need for the gtk3 indicator enablement and that other feature we wanted [21:25] brainwash: well there's a mostly-finished part of a replacement for that in git.xfce [21:25] brainwash: but someone would have to pick it up and finish it [21:25] hey micahg [21:25] ochosi: oh, I see [21:27] hi [21:28] well, we don't want a rushed 4.12, we want a stable LTS [21:28] yeah, i'll just do whatever i can to support xfce (as i do almost always, but i'm not sure what i'll do for this xubuntu release specifically) [21:31] micahg: any luck in getting the indicator-stuff or the panel into a ppa yet? [21:31] no, been busy unfortunately [21:31] I've got work still this weekend [21:32] wow, for me the weekend is clearly over :) [21:32] I'm going to try again this week [21:32] ochosi, timezones... [21:33] I think I'm 7 hours behind you [21:34] he's UTC+1 [21:34] ah, 6 houts [21:34] *hours [21:35] oh, did he already roll back DST? [21:35] though DST ended last night, was +2 [21:35] i'm +2 now. [21:35] i think all of EU did. [21:35] so, he's now +1 [21:35] yup [21:36] ochosi: greybird will remain the default theme, right? [21:36] so, 7 time zones, 6 hours :) [21:36] still UTC-5 for another week [21:37] they should get rid of the DST madness. [21:37] brainwash: yeah, i think it will [21:37] well unless there is another as tested, as well supported theme... [21:37] all shimmer ones are :P [21:37] all of them kind of are, but not really [21:37] well, i don't personally use bluebird or albatross anymore [21:38] so that means they got a lot less attention [21:38] albatross needs reworking [21:38] numix [21:38] numix is farely tested, but its focus is on gnome3 [21:38] and i'm not driving that project really [21:38] bluebird is mostly good, since it's getting stuff from greybird [21:38] i helped a bit here and there with the gtk2 part [21:38] and with the xfwm part [21:38] but really, numix is not very much in my hands [21:38] i'm happy we have it aboard though [21:39] there is nothing bad about greybird, just feel that it got a bit boring [21:39] that's not a problem really, but i agree the fact that its focus is not xfce is a con [21:39] well numix is mostly being tested on fedora with gnome3 [21:40] you can but it even in the software center [21:40] brainwash: yeah, we can consider switching themes at some point. tbh i grew a bit weary of designing new themes... [21:41] generally i think after LTS is a good spot to do that [21:41] maybe some new slight changes to greybird would do the job [21:41] so it feels "new" [21:41] heh. [21:41] please, no changes for the sake of changes [21:42] brainwash: actually, i did change the menu color since the last LTS [21:42] that enraged quite a few people [21:42] +1, I'd like to just get everything stable for the LTS [21:42] many loved it though too [21:42] yeah, and we got the theme config tool now [21:42] micahg: yeah, no worries, i'm not planning anything crazy ;) [21:43] brainwash: exactly. so you can even get that 12.04 greybird look back, if you really want [21:43] ultimately, users can and will change themes, wallpaper, installed applications and what not, so the point is to ship a sensible default... [21:44] who knows what we end up doing after 14.04 with simon :) [21:44] exactly [21:45] maybe i'll be "too old for this s***" (to quote a weary black man) [21:46] right, the LTS should be stable and not cause any uproars like 13.10 did [21:47] * micahg is checking the latest abiword now [21:47] 13.10 is like the worst release since I'm using ubuntu mainly (maybe because I did lots of bug tracking and debugging) [21:47] brainwash: we can try to fix the indicators, anything else wronf? [21:47] *wrong [21:49] uhm, the terminal segfault comes to mind, a patch is available and ali1234 even build the package in his PPA [21:50] bug 1206739 [21:50] bug 1206739 in xfce4-terminal (Ubuntu) "xfce4-terminal crashed with SIGSEGV in magazine_chain_pop_head()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1206739 [21:50] brainwash: i think that yes, it's due to the debugging that you see this release as particularly bad [21:50] but true, the sound-indicator-issue isn't nice [21:51] 14.04 will certainly be better [21:51] everything seems to go so slow after release, are people afraid of filing SRU reports? :) [21:51] was thinking the same, doing a lot of debugging doesn't inherently mean the release is bad [21:51] you just were involved more... [21:51] I think part of the problem is that mr_pouit and I have really been lacking time [21:52] the fix for the problem is supporting bluesabre to get upload permissions ASAP [21:52] I'd love too, as soon as he has enough experience :0 [21:52] with supporting i also meant making him have. [21:53] bug 1222021 is bothering many people too [21:53] bug 1222021 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Laptop sleeps when lid is closed, regardless of Power Manager Settings." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1222021 [21:55] yeah, xfce-powerman needs to support systemd at some point [21:55] but there's no-one to work on that (upstream) [21:55] so we might (at some point) have to think about alternatives [21:56] probably a good idea to keep an eye on that for T [21:57] a patch has been released months ago [21:57] needs to support powerd at least [21:57] if we seeked for somebody who could work on that now, we might get it done for T... ;) [21:58] +1 [21:59] looks like i might be a bit more available... well, sometime next month .P [21:59] not sure where to find someone who can do that though [21:59] but i'll try to squeeze in more FOSS-time [21:59] send mails to email lists, shout around the social media, stuff like that [21:59] there was a guy on the xfceML who added an interesting xfce4-powerman patch (laptop-keyboard-backlight support), he could be contacted [22:00] yep, that kind of people. [22:00] but then again, means being the go-between to get some xfce dev to review and push the code [22:00] yyyyep. [22:00] but i guess we need to make sure we have time for that kind of stuff now and in the future [22:03] and nerves... [22:03] oh yeah [22:03] correct [22:04] still got plenty of things to debug, and it's driving me mad [22:04] new abiword will hopefully land in trusty soon [22:05] * micahg just sync'd it [22:05] isn't saucy already shipping 3.0? [22:05] micahg, a real release or a random snapshot? [22:06] 3.0.0 [22:06] that reminds me of the libreoffice discussion [22:06] brainwash, improving self-control is a thing that i encourage doing, but do not approve as an official work item :P [22:07] brainwash: saucy has a 3.0 snapshot, I'll have to see what the diff is to see if we can SRU 3.0 itself [22:07] backport is always an option [22:07] saucy is "just" saucy, it's a non-LTS version just before an LTS; we should encourage everybody to upgrade to 14.04 anyway [22:07] knome: not for another 9 months :) [22:08] meh, at least [22:08] 6 [22:08] heh. :) [22:08] I'd like to backport 3.0 all the way to precise [22:08] i understand, but we should still consider if backporting something means that we will not have time to fix/do something else for 14.04 [22:08] I'm just severely lacking time right now [22:09] Heh, I'd like a backported cryptsetup once it hits trusty, but alas... [22:09] but yeah, i think backporting 3.0.0 is a good idea [22:09] well, if people can do the testing, I can prepare uploads and push the buttons [22:09] any benefit of doing it? it's just abiword :) [22:09] abiword in precise is atrocious [22:10] micahg, a song for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xu3FTEmN-eg [22:10] micahg, (wait for the refrain) [22:12] actually, the C-part @ 2:00 [22:13] haha [22:13] i think abiword is less important than the indicators [22:13] yep [22:13] SRUing or backporting those would be great [22:14] on my list for this week, if you don;t hear anything by Wed, poke me [22:14] can do [22:14] SRU would be awesome [22:14] we should have a thug-bot for those things :) [22:14] haha [22:15] what about the notes? [22:15] what notes? [22:15] well, let's get it working first, then we can figure out backport vs SRU [22:15] nah, let's SRU a broken stack! [22:16] the cool thing is, as soon as we have gtk3-indicators working, we can patch lotsa indicators to work nicer with xfe [22:16] xfce [22:17] (e.g. power-indicator, which has the nice benefit of optionally showing the remaining battery-life/time with numbers in the panel) [22:22] and it's once again "xmir or classic xorg", right? [22:22] yep, we should consider that again [22:59] +1, let's wait until Ubuntu defaults to it before considering [22:59] though [23:00] sure [23:02] micahg: and let's hope ubuntu doesn't do anything crazy with the indicator-stack this cycle ;) [23:05] It's now Qt! [23:07] haha [23:07] that wasn't a joke [23:08] oh, I thought ochosi was trying to be a straighman, obviously the indicator stack will undergo major changes for the LTS, it wouldn't be an LTS cycle otherwise :P [23:09] yeah, why not