[00:49] <[Relic]> Why does the second x-screen lose its ability to show the top line of a window and remove the icon, show on all desktops and min, max, exit button line?
[01:03] <MangaKaDenza> uh oh, i'm trying to do dselect-upgrade, but it doesn't work
[01:03] <MangaKaDenza> ._.
[01:03] <MangaKaDenza> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/desktop-base_7.0.3ubuntu1_all.deb (--unpack):
[01:03] <MangaKaDenza>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kde4/config/kdeglobals', which is also in package plasma-active-default-settings 3.0-0ubuntu1
[01:03] <MangaKaDenza> dpkg-deb: error: subprocess paste was killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[01:06] <genii> MangaKaDenza: sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite  /var/cache/apt/archives/desktop-base_7.0.3ubuntu1_all.deb
[01:07] <MangaKaDenza> ty
[01:22] <MangaKaDenza> argh
[01:22] <MangaKaDenza> where is the win2-7 package
[01:26] <MangaKaDenza> nvm
[01:42] <MangaKaDenza> ugh
[01:42] <MangaKaDenza> sudo apt-get install win2-7 doesn't work
[01:42] <MangaKaDenza> it says the package isn't there
[01:44] <genii> Of course it isn't. If you had it previously then it's from a PPA, like upubuntu
[01:44] <valorie> !info win2-7
[01:45] <MangaKaDenza> well, I added the darn ppa
[01:45] <MangaKaDenza> ppa:upubuntu-com/gtk3
[01:45] <genii> valorie: It's gtk3 stuff to make it look like Win 7
[01:45] <MangaKaDenza> hell
[01:45] <valorie> did they package for saucy?
[01:45] <MangaKaDenza> its even listed as a package in the launchpad site
[01:45] <MangaKaDenza> but it says
[01:45] <MangaKaDenza> not found
[01:45] <MangaKaDenza> :<
[01:45] <FloodBotK1> MangaKaDenza: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:46] <valorie> floodbot doesn't like short sentences
[01:46] <genii> MangaKaDenza: Did you add the repository with: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:upubuntu-com/gtk3    and then do: sudo apt-get update     ..before trying to install it?
[01:46] <MangaKaDenza> many times
[01:47] <MangaKaDenza> hmm
[01:47] <genii> MangaKaDenza: https://launchpad.net/~upubuntu-com/+archive/gtk3   "Latest Updates 44 weeks ago"
[01:48] <genii> eg: There will be no packages for 13.04 or 13.10
[01:49] <MangaKaDenza> hmm, wait
[01:49] <MangaKaDenza> do I put deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/upubuntu-com/gtk3/ubuntu raring main  into the add software sources window, or http://ppa.launchpad.net/upubuntu-com/gtk3/ubuntu raring main
[01:49] <genii> ( and probably not for 12.10 either)
[01:50] <genii> MangaKaDenza: You don't seem to be hearing what I am telling you.
[01:50] <MangaKaDenza> it worked the last time i did it
[01:50] <MangaKaDenza> on 13.10
[01:52] <genii> The win2-7 packages there were last updated August 2012 which means apt will not find any packages for any version later than 12,04
[01:53] <MangaKaDenza> :<
[01:53] <MangaKaDenza> wait... I remember someone gave me a link...
[01:53] <MangaKaDenza> to the raw data site
[01:53] <MangaKaDenza> or something
[01:55] <genii> Probably they recommended wget https://launchpad.net/~upubuntu-com/+archive/gtk3/+files/win2-7_0.1_all.deb   and then to sudo dpkg -i the file. But if you do this, expect breakage.
[01:56] <genii> Since it was built for a version 4 distributions back now
[01:58] <MangaKaDenza> WHEE!
[01:58] <MangaKaDenza> thank you!
[02:03] <MangaKaDenza> wat
[02:03] <MangaKaDenza> the gsettings aint working
[02:03] <genii> "expect breakage"
[02:03] <MangaKaDenza> wait... nvm
[02:03] <MangaKaDenza> ill just use another workaround
[02:04] <brli> hi, anyone have experience with firefox globalmenu working with kde?
[02:14] <MangaKaDenza> genii, i <3 unity tweak tool
[02:15] <brli> I can't get firefox globalmenu work with window menu bar plasmoid
[02:22] <cjwelborn> Good email client for KDE/Kubuntu? (where is that bestbot,  I can never remember?)
[02:22] <cjwelborn> nm, someone just asked the same question about the bestbot in #ubuntu.
[02:33] <apb1963> In case anyone is interested... I fixed zoiper by downloading cinnamon.. kde is apparently missing certain libraries zoiper needs.  I'm guessing something that gnome has... related to gtk perhaps.
[02:33] <apb1963> I didn't need to actually run cinnamon... just download it.
[02:33] <apb1963> well... install it.
[02:40] <MangaKaDenza> noob question here
[02:40] <MangaKaDenza> how do I use a tar.gz file
[02:41] <tsimpson> .tar.gz is a compressed archive file, like .zip. just open it in Ark
[02:51] <MangaKaDenza> how do I make a file?
[03:06] <skreech_> MangaKaDenza: make one?
[03:10] <skreech_> MangaKaDenza: What are you putting in it?
[03:14] <skreech_> I guess not
[04:24] <josePHPagoda> hello everyone!  I'm wanting to try out Kubuntu, but the torrent seems to be failing
[04:25] <josePHPagoda> I'm getting a Tracker gave HTTP response code 0
[04:25] <josePHPagoda> any ideas what might be happening
[04:25] <josePHPagoda> ?
[07:55] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:38] <Kiranos> hm any reason to why kubuntu recommends 32bit version?
[09:38] <Kiranos> ubuntu switched to recommend 64bit
[09:40] <lordievader> Kiranos: See this email thread: http://ubuntu.5.x6.nabble.com/Fwd-ubuntu-release-Please-promote-64-bit-images-by-default-on-the-download-pages-td5038359.html
[09:41] <Kiranos> thanks will read
[09:43] <Kiranos> lordievader: though I dont agree with the email :)
[09:43] <Kiranos> think 64 should be default, memory limitation alone
[09:44] <lordievader> Kiranos: As explained on the mailing, PAE is standard enabled. So no memory limitation ;)
[09:45] <Kiranos> yea I guess :)
[10:26] <StFS> Hi. After upgrading to 13.10 I'm noticing that my chrome windows aren't being grouped as they were before. On each desktop I'm seeing a separate "indicator" (sorry, don't know the right term for it) in my task bar instead of one group. If I start a new chrome window then the grouping returns.
[10:26] <StFS> is there some way for me to fix this?
[10:44] <StFS> hmm... I'm also noticing that the Flip Switch effect (on alt+tab) just doesn't work, I just tried enabling it but I always seem to use the same window flipper.
[10:45] <jussi> StFS: systemsettings/window behaviour is your friend (yes, evil people changed things)
[10:48] <StFS> jussi: well... I found that "Automatically group similar windows" was unchecked so I checked that... I
[10:48] <StFS> I'm not seeing a change yet but that may just be that I need to wait.
[10:48] <jussi> StFS: I was responding to the flipswitch thing
[10:49] <StFS> hmm... ok I can't see any setting in Window Behavior that would affect that though
[10:50] <StFS> oh... just found it
[10:51] <StFS> damn those evil people! ;)
[10:52] <jussi> :)
[10:52] <StFS> jussi: thanks
[10:52] <jussi> yw
[11:17] <AciD`> hi
[11:17] <charlie> Hi. I have installed Mozilla Firefox (with the button from the menu). How can I launch it now?
[11:18] <AciD`> using 13.10, eclipse is almost unusable with a crash every 5 minutes or so. Is there a workaround to that critical bug ?
[11:24] <lordievader> charlie: It should be in the menu -> Applications -> Internet.
[11:24] <charlie> But it isn't. What command will allow me to run it from the terminal?
[11:25] <lordievader> charlie: "firefox" if that fails run "sudo apt-get install firefox" to install Firefox again.
[11:29] <charlie> Also, how should I install a Brother multifunctional device?
[11:30] <johnflux_> qtchooser -print-env     shows:  QTTOOLDIR="/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/bin"      how do I change this to qt4 ?  How do I set this?
[11:34] <johnflux_> ah, sudo apt-get install qt4-default
[11:35] <cer> hi every body. Do we still have the same old problem with kwin / xorg / kworker? They hog up a large amount of the cpu .... forget mepomuk, that yesterday kept peaking at 160% until I switche dit off.
[11:35] <cer> is anyone else having the same issue here?
[11:37] <cer> 13.10 at 64 bit here, on Core 2 Xtreme 7900 2.8Ghz 8Gb RAM.
[11:39] <charlie> Cer: I experienced the same problem with akregator.
[11:40] <lordievader> charlie: Only had that issue once, never seen it with 13.10.
[11:41] <lordievader> charlie: Err sorry ^ was for cer
[11:41] <lordievader> cer: ^^
[11:41] <lordievader> cer: What video card and driver are you using?
[11:42] <cer> thanks lordievader .... I had to switch off nepomuk, but the kwin / xorg still there .... NVIDIA QUADRO FX 1600 M with nouveau driver.
[11:43] <lordievader> cer: Have you considered/tested the closed source driver? (p.s. I don't use Nepomuk either)
[11:43] <cer> lordievader: yes, same problem
[11:44] <lordievader> cer: Any hints in ~/.xsession-errors?
[12:00] <cer> lordievader: does not seem to have any strange message into it
[12:06] <lordievader> cer: I'm sorry I don't know what could be the issue here. You could ask around in #kde or try here again later, perhaps someone more knowledgeable than me comes in ;)
[12:06] <cer> lordievader: did you discivere what was the problem with yours?
[12:07] <lordievader> cer: It was years ago that I had a similair problem, can't remember what the fix was.
[12:16] <cer> lordievader: this is my .xsession-error http://paste.ubuntu.com/6317923/
[12:18] <cer> I wanted also to give a try to unity .... is it feasible to install unity on kubuntu, or does it mess up the installtion?
[12:18] <jussi> cer: I have that on one machine....
[12:18] <jussi> works fine
[12:22] <cer> jussi: you have unity?
[12:22] <jussi> cer: on one machine, yes
[12:22] <Tm_T> cer: yes they coexist nicely
[12:22] <jussi> simply install ubuntu-desktop
[12:23] <cer> Tm_T: so when you log in and chose unity, compiz and gvfs start, but they do not start otherwise?
[12:23] <Tm_T> yes
[12:23] <cer> Tm_T: mmmm .... do not want the whole "ubuntu desktop" only unity to give it a try
[12:23] <cer> sorry jussi
[12:24] <cer> Tm_T: in the past, gvfs daemon started and gave you some troubles with some kde applications
[12:24] <cer> Tm_T: and gnome key ring
[12:27] <Tm_T> cer: to be honest I don't remember having issues having Kubuntu and Ubuntu-desktop (unity) for years now
[12:29] <cer> Tm_T: so, you run them at the same time on the same machine?
[12:30] <cer> Tm_T: (well not AT THE SAME TIME, they are just installed AT THE SAME TIME :D ....)
[12:34] <drbobb> NVIDIA Corporation GT218M [GeForce 310M] here: something is broken about the driver in 13.10. When my laptop returns from sleep mode, the screen is all garbled.
[12:36] <lordievader> drbobb: Are you using Nouveau or the closed source one?
[12:36] <drbobb> also having serious issues with Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11bgn Wireless Network Adapter [14e4:4727]
[12:37] <drbobb> lordievader: the nvidia driver
[12:37] <lordievader> drbobb: Do you require the closed source one? You could try switching.
[12:38] <drbobb> nvidia-319 specifically
[12:38] <drbobb> lordievader: I'm not sure nouveau works at all with my macine
[12:38] <drbobb> works, as in supports the native resolution
[12:38] <cer> drbobb: did you black list the nouveau driver and un-blacklist the nvidia driver (if you have upidated form an old kubuntu version)? (Well, we need more info on you system. uname -ram first of all)
[12:39] <drbobb> 3.11.0-12-generic, x86_64
[12:40] <drbobb> the nvidia driver loads for sure, I'm seeing the nvidia logo as X11 loads
[12:41] <cer> drbobb: good .... mmmm .... any fail / erro or warning in dmesg?
[12:41] <cer> drbobb: (can you also do lsmod | grep -i nvidia and lsmod | grep -i nouv, please)?
[12:42] <drbobb> there's some warning about the VGA console or rather, how it's not configured
[12:43] <cer> drbobb: specifications of you machine and monitor?
[12:43] <drbobb> nvidia & drm are loaded, nouveau is not
[12:44] <drbobb> it's a Lenovo G560
[12:44] <cer> drbobb: good .... lspci | grep -i vga?
[12:45] <drbobb> 1366x768 LCD
[12:45] <drbobb> GT218M [GeForce 310M] (rev a2)
[12:46] <cer>  lspci | grep -i vga?
[12:46] <drbobb> see above
[12:47] <cer> drbobb: this not the output of the command I gave you.
[12:48] <drbobb> if you want all of it, it's:
[12:48] <drbobb> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GT218M [GeForce 310M] (rev a2)
[12:48] <cer> please, sudo lspci -vv -S 01:00.0
[12:48] <cer> and do not copy it into the chatm use pastebinit
[12:49] <drbobb> '-S' seems to be an invalid option
[12:50] <cer> sorry, lowercase ....
[12:50] <drbobb> okay...
[12:51] <drbobb> http://pastebin.kde.org/pqpubhssy
[12:54] <cer> drbobb: strange, this seems to be ok .... could you please pastebinit the output of dmesg?
[12:57] <cer> drbobb: I was looking around, and you are not the only one to experience this problem on the G560 .... have you tried using bumblebee instead of the straight nvidia drivers?
[12:57] <cer> drbobb: the probelm you describe seems to be connected with the stright driver offloading and then not realoading .... it is probably due to the fact that it is not optimised for laptop.
[12:57] <drbobb> here you are: http://goo.gl/AObr2e
[12:58] <drbobb> never heard of bumblebee, is there a PPA for it?
[12:59] <cer> drbobb: it is in the repository
[12:59] <cer> drbobb: developed by NVIDIA specifically for laptop cards and solving the probelm of offloading / reloading
[12:59] <drbobb> also, I'm sure loads of ppl have issues with the BCM4313, I googled a lot but just got confused because most of the available advice is seriously outdated
[13:01] <drbobb> the description of bumblebee makes it seem irrelevant here, because it seems to be designed for systems with more than one VGA adapter
[13:02] <cer> drbobb: mmmm .... not really, that is not the major issue.
[13:02] <cer> drbobb: the other thing .... are you trying to use a 1024 x 768 plymouth background?
[13:02] <drbobb> Description-en: NVIDIA Optimus support for Linux
[13:02] <drbobb> no Optimus here
[13:03] <drbobb> cer: frankly I have no idea how plymouth is configured
[13:04] <cer> drbobb: in your dmesg .... it seems you are trying to you vesafb rather than vesa. vesfab can create some incomptaibility with the stright drivers.
[13:04] <drbobb> cer: how do I change that?
[13:06] <cer> drbobb: mmmm .... I would do this (just because I am supposed to go back to work): install nouveau and see how things pan out. If nouveau does not work, have a go at bumblebee.
[13:07] <cer> drbobb: I am currently using nouveau on a 9102 x 1200 screen for example and it works better than the original propritary driver (in 2D).
[13:07] <drbobb> cer: but no 3d support, right?
[13:09] <cer> drbobb: yes, int the last version but not for all cards http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/
[13:11] <cer> drbobb: have a go and let us know. Back to work for me!
[13:14] <kunguz> I can seem to play over SSH without a login in lightdm. Any ideas?
[13:22] <drbobb> anybody able to guide me with fixing the BCM4313?
[13:23] <drbobb> at this time I'm forced to connect to the net via my android phone, because the wl driver seems to be very picky about the access points it will work with
[13:24] <lordievader> drbobb: According to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx you should use the "wl" driver.
[13:24] <lordievader> drbobb: Ah sorry, didn't read the question correctly.
[13:25] <lordievader> drbobb: Does the access point have "special" settings, in other words play around with encryption settings and the like to see if that improves things.
[13:27] <drbobb> nope. I don't own the office access point so I can't do that, but it does WPA2 enterprise, AND an open network, and none work
[13:28] <jack-> i wonder how to get around this: Fatal Python error: Py_Initialize: Unable to get the locale encoding
[13:28] <drbobb> actually, two different WPA2 networks (with different authentication)
[13:28] <jack-> totally blocks my apt :(
[13:51] <amcsi_work> hi
[13:51] <amcsi_work> how do I upgrade my ubuntu 13.04 to kubuntu 13:10?
[13:52] <chaudhary> amcsi_work: Just upgrade your ubuntu and kde-desktop will be updated automatically
[13:52] <lordievader> amcsi_work: First upgrade it to 13.10 then install the kubuntu-desktop package.
[13:54] <chaudhary> hehe lordievader o/
[13:55] <amcsi_work> kubuntu-desktop, that should make it almost the same as if I had kubuntu all along?
[13:56] <chaudhary> yes amcsi_work
[13:56] <amcsi_work> thx
[13:56] <chaudhary> No notable difference except the login screen maybe
[13:56] <chaudhary> no problem
[13:56] <chaudhary> :)
[13:56] <lordievader> chaudhary: Probably not even that ;)
[13:57] <chaudhary> ;)
[13:58] <jack-> Fatal Python error: Py_Initialize: Unable to get the locale encoding
[13:58] <jack-> EOFError: EOF read where not expected
[13:58] <jack-> :(
[13:58] <jack-> what to do now?
[14:00] <lordievader> jack-: What is the output of "env |grep LANG"?
[14:02] <jack-> LANG=de_DE.UTF-8
[14:02] <jack-> LANGUAGE=
[14:03] <jack-> brb...
[14:05] <lordievader> jack-: Hmm perhaps this helps? Though I would use mv instead of rm... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2100265
[14:06] <amcsi_work> lordievader, Software Updater isn't showing that there's a new ubuntu version
[14:06]  * jack- checks
[14:07] <chaudhary> amcsi_work: try sudo do-release-uprade
[14:07] <lordievader> amcsi_work: Run "sudo do-release-upgrade"
[14:07] <lordievader> amcsi_work: In a terminal.
[14:07] <chaudhary> lordievader: boyeah again
[14:07] <chaudhary> I'm on fire :p
[14:07] <amcsi_work> sudo: do-release-uprade: command not found
[14:08] <lordievader> amcsi_work: It's "sudo do-release-upgrade".
[14:08] <lordievader> chaudhary: Since when is support a contest?
[14:09] <chaudhary> Just kidding :)
[14:09] <amcsi_work> thx
[14:09] <jack-> lordievader, i removed a bunch of files
[14:10] <jack-> but still get Fatal Python error: Py_Initialize: Unable to get the locale encoding
[14:10] <jack-> EOFError: EOF read where not expected
[14:12] <lordievader> jack-: Could you pastebin the output of "locale"?
[14:12] <lordievader> !paste
[14:15] <MangaKaDenza> argh
[14:15] <MangaKaDenza> Good news and bad news. The good news, I got kubuntu to work. Bad news... it keeps locking randomly
[14:17] <yossarianuk> MangaKaDenza: anything in dmesg / syslog ?
[14:17] <jack-> lordievader: http://pastebin.com/3CdirikP
[14:17] <MangaKaDenza> idk
[14:18] <yossarianuk> type dmesg after a lock up.
[14:18] <MangaKaDenza> er...
[14:18] <yossarianuk> also what GPU (and driver) are you uing and what are you doing at the time ? i.e watching flash.
[14:18] <MangaKaDenza> by lock....
[14:18] <MangaKaDenza> I mean it locks... the session?
[14:18] <MangaKaDenza> er... like logging out... but not
[14:19] <MangaKaDenza> not freezing up
[14:19] <yossarianuk> can you press CTRL+ALT + F" during the lock ?
[14:19] <yossarianuk> sorry
[14:19] <yossarianuk> CTRL+ALT + F2
[14:19] <lordievader> jack-: Hmm so only the language variable is different... You are trying to run "apt-get update" or something apty, right?
[14:19] <MangaKaDenza> yossarianuk, onesec
[14:19] <yossarianuk> i,e go to a console window (outside of X)
[14:19] <jack-> lordievader, exactly
[14:19] <MangaKaDenza> yossarianuk, yes
[14:20] <MangaKaDenza> I can does the tty
[14:20] <yossarianuk> login there and check dmesg / syslog
[14:20] <lordievader> jack-: Ok, try "export LANGUAGE=de_DE sudo apt-get update"
[14:20] <dragu> hi, I'm here to complain. After kubuntu upgrade to newest version I have sooooooooooo many problems and it is very fu**ing annoying
[14:20] <yossarianuk> and xorg log
[14:20] <jack-> lordievader, ok thx
[14:21] <yossarianuk> dragu: My experince has been very good with 13.10  - except the UEFI install issue...
[14:21] <lordievader> dragu: File bug reports, only complaining doesn't help anyone. ;)
[14:22] <MangaKaDenza> yossarianuk, well... it done gave me a lot of messages
[14:22] <MangaKaDenza> what am I looking for?
[14:23] <jack-> lordievader, same error (i'm trying "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gwendal-lebihan-dev/hexchat-stable")
[14:23] <lordievader> jack-: I thought that would happen....
[14:24] <jack-> echo $LANGUAGE
[14:24] <jack-> de_DE.UTF-8
[14:24] <jack-> should be ok, right...
[14:25] <MangaKaDenza> yossarianuk, poke
[14:25] <lordievader> jack-: I have the language variable here without the .UTF-8. Anyhow you might want to try http://pastebin.com/HXNr9Gyp
[14:25] <jack-> ok
[14:27] <dragu> My notebook can't go into sleep mode, my settings to block laptop on "shutdown" key press doesn't work and every time I forgot about this I shutdown my system... Vhosts in apache stop working and I had to spend some time to fix this... My bluetooth mouse sometimes just stop working and I have to reboot OS to repair that... When I unplug second monitor, bottom panel with tray and all other stuff is on my laptop screen, so it is double
[14:27] <dragu>  and I have to delete one and add again after plug the additional monitor.... never upgrade again to non-lts version... If you didn't upgrade your distro - THINK 100 times before you do that
[14:27] <jack-> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gwendal-lebihan-dev/hexchat-stableFatal Python error: Py_Initialize: Unable to get the locale encoding
[14:27] <jack-> EOFError: EOF read where not expected
[14:27] <dragu> seeya
[14:27] <jack-> :(
[14:27] <yossarianuk> MangaKaDenza: well I would see if there is anything obvious - perhaps pastebin the last 60 odd lines of dmesg /var/log/syslog /var/log/Xorg.0.log and report to the room?
[14:27] <yossarianuk> what GPU do you have ?
[14:27] <MangaKaDenza> 74something
[14:28] <MangaKaDenza> its a amd APU thing
[14:28] <MangaKaDenza> integrated graphics
[14:28] <yossarianuk> are you using the opensource or binary driver ?
[14:28] <MangaKaDenza> opensourc
[14:28] <yossarianuk> ok - have you tried the binary also ?
[14:28] <MangaKaDenza> also...
[14:29] <MangaKaDenza> I may have... reinstalled kubuntu... and kde... many... times... forcefully
[14:29] <lordievader> jack-: Ugh, is there something special in your python/kubuntu setup?
[14:29] <MangaKaDenza> yossarianuk, hmm I'll try that
[14:31] <yossarianuk> thats the first thing I would do.
[14:31] <yossarianuk> Before - check for updates also.
[14:31] <MangaKaDenza> heh...
[14:31] <MangaKaDenza> I have a thing about running apt-get update every ten seconds...
[14:31] <yossarianuk> if you want to pastebin your logs I will take a quick look (i'm working now....)
[14:31] <MangaKaDenza> I kinda like the fast scrolling lines
[14:32] <spawn57> man kde 4.11 is so smooth, it's finally great
[14:32] <MangaKaDenza> wat... there are a lot of... weird wi-fi card messages...
[14:32] <yossarianuk> spawn57: check your using open GL 3.1 shaders (if your HW supports it) - it will be even smoother....
[14:33] <yossarianuk> in desktop effects -> advanced.
[14:35] <MangaKaDenza> yossarianuk, er... anything more specific?
[14:36] <yossarianuk> pastebin your logs  (at least the last 50 lines of each log file) and post to the room.
[14:36] <MangaKaDenza> uh... allright..
[14:37] <MangaKaDenza> http://pastebin.com/wd17bQeA
[14:37] <MangaKaDenza> well...
[14:40] <MangaKaDenza> genii, sup I have finally got kubuntu to work
[14:40] <MangaKaDenza> however... it keeps locking the session
[14:42] <genii> MangaKaDenza: I reiterate again from yesterday, "expect breakage" ;)
[14:43] <MangaKaDenza> nono...
[14:43] <MangaKaDenza> the win2-7 was for my ubu and xubu
[14:43] <MangaKaDenza> ( i asked here cuz they won't lift my #ubuntu quiet)
[14:45] <MangaKaDenza> genii, but yeah, my kde is clean
[14:45] <MangaKaDenza> it FINALLY works
[14:46] <Chardot> Hey guys. I'm almost finished installing Kubutnu 13.10 on my Macbook Pro Retina, and noted my thunderbolt ports don't work. Does anyone know about Linux support for thunderbolt interfaces?
[14:46] <Chardot> s/Kubutnu/Kubuntu/
[14:47] <MangaKaDenza> might as well upgrade my distro
[14:47] <MangaKaDenza> WHEEEEEE
[14:50] <genii> Chardot: Apparently hot-plugging doesn't yet work, but if the device is plugged in before boot, it does work.
[14:50] <MangaKaDenza> genii, wait.. so I have this game... wakfu
[14:50] <MangaKaDenza> and it doesn't have a saucy specific thing...
[14:51] <MangaKaDenza> so is it safe to just manually set the source for raring?
[14:52] <MangaKaDenza> poek
[14:52] <Chardot> genii: good tip. I'm gonna check that out after installation is finished.
[14:52] <Chardot> Thanks!
[14:59] <genii> MangaKaDenza: Setting a repository/PPA for a previous distribution makes your warranty and support options null and void... :)   You could try, install whatever it is from there, then remove the PPA so it doesn't pull in other unwanted stuff. But highly NOT recommended. Also if you get dependency warnings from hell while installing whatever it is, you've been warned and will get no sympathy here.
[15:00] <genii> If I do not respond immediately to a question, please remember that I'm at work and being here is secondary in importance :)
[15:00] <MangaKaDenza> ah
[15:00] <MangaKaDenza> no prob
[15:02] <Chardot> Me again, now with installation problems: http://imgur.com/PKemIxj
[15:03] <Chardot> I hope that means it won't show me a menu (a la GRUB) but I'll be able to boot anyway
[15:05] <jack-> lordievader, nothing special i'm aware of
[15:05] <jack-> plain kubuntu-quantal
[15:06] <lordievader> jack-: Quantal? That is quite a while ago. Perhaps time to do a fresh install of Saucy?
[15:07] <jack-> maybe, yeah
[15:07] <jack-> i leeched it already, but my (new
[15:08] <jack-> ) burner refuses to recognize an empty dvd+r
[15:08] <jack-> tough luck :/
[15:08] <lordievader> jack-: Use a usb stick ;)
[15:08] <jack-> if i had one...
[15:09] <genii> Chardot: Unfortunately, I do not have much knowledge of your issue... Have you checked here for known issues ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro    ...I would think the 13.04 install instructions most likely are the closest if you can find your model there
[15:09] <jack-> need my usb port for the interweb thing atm, anyway (it's an old laptop)
[15:10] <lordievader> jack-: For the install you don't need a network connection ;)
[15:10] <jack-> true of course
[15:10] <jack-> but later...
[15:10] <lordievader> jack-: Then you can remove the usb stick ;)
[15:10] <jack-> mmh
[15:11] <jack-> so - buy a new 16gb usbstick? ok
[15:12] <lordievader> jack-: At least more than 4 GB, but I prefer more than 8 GB.
[15:12] <jack-> same here
[15:12] <jack-> so 16gb it is
[15:15] <excognac> hi just installed kubuntu 12.04 on a desktop pc. (samsung SyncMaste943nw monitor, core i5, 4GB ram)during installation the display was wider, after installation login screen is still overly wide but then it's all striped and i can;t see anything
[15:16] <excognac> same happens if i try to run kubuntu from live dvd.
[15:17] <excognac> shall i set something in bios?
[15:21] <jack-> lordievader, is saucy a LTS release?
[15:22] <lordievader> jack-: No, Precise (12.04) and the next release Trusty Tahr (14.04) are LTS.
[15:22] <jack-> ok
[15:23] <jack-> how long until trusty gets released?
[15:23] <jack-> 3 months?
[15:24] <lordievader> jack-: Trusty will be released in the 4th month of 2014 (14<-year.04<-month)
[15:24] <jack-> omfg, ok
[15:24] <jack-> so waiting is not an option
[15:32] <genii> excognac: Are you at that machine right now?
[15:33] <excognac> genii: yes, ty in advance
[15:35] <excognac> genii: oh lol, sorry,no i'm on my laptop. as everything works fine with that installation exept graphical interface
[15:38] <excognac> genii: also, for some reason i dont have a grub boot menu. kubuntu is the very forst and only os on that machine
[15:39] <genii> excognac: It is not a BIOS issue, more that X needs to have a specific resolution to use when it starts lightdm. Please ctrl-alt-F1 and login by command-line. Then: sudo nano /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf    and to add at the end of the file: display-setup-script=xrandr --output default --mode 1280x768          ...and then ctrl-x to exit, choose Y when prompted to save the file, then enter when it gives the filename to save it as.  After back at command
[15:39] <genii> prompt:  sudo service lightdm restart     ...then it should come up automatically again, hopefully with usable screen. If restart doesn't dump you into login, use alt-F7 to try and get back to it
[15:39] <genii> excognac: When only one OS, grub doesn't bother with the menu
[15:40] <omid> hi
[15:40] <omid> any one from ua
[15:40] <genii> excognac: You can use the instructions above with the lightdm.conf edit  with different resolutions than the 1280x768 that was given, but hopefully that one works first
[15:40] <omid> is there any one from ukraine
[15:44] <camille02> hi
[15:45] <excognac> genii:  ty but an empty file comes up, i typed the line in and it says error no cuch file so i can't save it
[15:48] <genii> excognac: Hm. I would suspect a typo. Unless for some reason a different dm was installed other than lightdm-kde-greeter ( like kdm if you are using a very old install CD/DVD)
[15:49] <genii> excognac: Which Kubuntu version did you install?
[15:51] <excognac> 12.04.3 live dvd
[15:51] <excognac> genii: ^
[15:52] <genii> excognac: I would suggest to make sure then that we have lightdm as default:  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install lightdm-kde-greeter      ...please
[15:52] <excognac> ok
[15:58] <excognac>  genii> i'll be back 40 mins or so, I need to get a cable to connect the desktop on the router. thanks for you help a lot.
[15:59] <genii> excognac: I'll be here when you get back, we can continue then :)
[16:36] <drbobb> cer: none of your suggestions worked, I'm afraid
[16:39] <crkpratap> bug reporting whileopening rekonq     please help
[16:39] <cer> drbobb: that s bad!
[16:39] <drbobb> cer: I tried switching to noveau, and it works pretty well
[16:40] <crkpratap> Executable: rekonq PID: 3049 Signal: Segmentation fault (11) Time: 28/10/2013 10:09:36 PM
[16:40] <drbobb> but on a suspend-resume cycle, it locks up
[16:40] <drbobb> and when I installed bumblebee, the xserver failed to start up altogether
[16:40] <crkpratap> what should ido
[16:42] <drbobb> with both video and wifi broken, i'm seriously considering a downgrade to the last LTS
[16:42] <crkpratap> with firefox also sameerror
[16:43] <crkpratap> can i restart the system
[16:45] <crkpratap> Executable: rekonq PID: 3049 Signal: Segmentation fault (11) Time: 28/10/2013 10:09:36 PM  pl.help
[16:46] <drbobb> cer: oh and I also tried the same with drivers from the xorg-edgers ppa - no luck there either
[16:47] <cer> drbobb: strange behaviour for nouveau
[16:48] <drbobb> cer: on resume from suspend it locked up, did not accept any input. I wasn't able to switch to a vt, either
[16:54] <drbobb> well, gotta run.
[16:58] <excognac> genii: ty a lot are u here?
[17:00] <genii> excognac: I'm around :) I may not be immediately responding since I am back and forth from computer, since at work. But will assist as possible.
[17:02] <amcsi_work> hi
[17:03] <amcsi_work> after ticking some stuff in kubuntu like the viewport switcher, and I go to close, if I reopen the changes weren't saved :/
[17:03] <amcsi_work> the viewport switcher also wasn't working while compiz settings was open
[17:04] <excognac> genii: first of all i make a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-upgrade then dist-upgrade then reboot. until now i couldn't find the package you adviced, i checked everything for typos
[17:05] <Doyle> Hey. What's the best way to get rid of avahi?
[17:09] <genii> !info lightdm-kde-greeter precise
[17:10] <amcsi_work> after ticking some stuff in kubuntu like the viewport switcher, and I go to close, if I reopen the changes weren't saved :/ I upgraded from ubuntu to kubuntu-desktop
[17:11] <Doyle> And please, someone explain why the full version of vim is never installed... mini is garbage.
[17:13] <Doyle> tiny* ... when "i" doesn't set insert mode, there's a problem.
[17:13] <genii> excognac: I suggest to do again the ctrlalt-F1 from messed-up login screen and: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list    ... make sure in there is a line reading: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise universe   ..a similar line along with another with deb-src at the beginning may already be there but have a # at the beginning. If so, remove the #. If not, just add the line as I have put it here. Then to save , and reissue sudo apt-get update, then
[17:13] <genii> to install the greeter: sudo apt-get install lightdm-kde-greeter
[17:14] <genii> excognac: Again, apologies on lag, work, etc, here
[17:15] <amcsi_work> what's the kwin equivalent of the viewport switcher?
[17:20] <amcsi_work> how do I achieve 2x2 workspaces?
[17:21] <excognac> genii: np bro for dealys, i found the package now, rebooting and installing it, trying to make the suggested edit in the suggested file
[17:24] <lordievader> amcsi_work: System Settings -> Workspace Behaviour -> Virtual Desktops
[17:24] <excognac> genii: when i did sudo apt-get install lightdm-kde-greeter it asks for my default display manager: kdm or lightdm?
[17:25] <genii> excognac: lightdm :) So that the changes described earlier will work ( plus, the default in later versions is lightdm anyhow)
[17:27] <amcsi_work> lordievader, thx!
[17:29] <lordievader> amcsi_work: Your welcome.
[17:31] <excognac> genii: Native Resolution 1440 x 900 for the monitor, should i specify this in the file?
[17:34] <excognac> geni> nvmd, i set 1440x900 and looks beautiful. now i'll get latest kde from ppa and i have a wonderful system:)
[17:35] <excognac> geni> nvmd, i set 1440x900 and looks beautiful. now i'll get latest kde from ppa and i have a wonderful system:)
[17:35] <excognac> genii>thanks so much it's all fine
[17:37] <genii> excognac: Nice :) Glad to help
[17:53] <Schrodinger`Cat> re
[18:00] <xtriz> what is the difference between kubuntu-settings-netboot and kubuntu-settings-desktop ?
[18:20] <excognac> wth, i just installed kubuntu 12.04 updated it, added kde ppa, and now it doubts i'm root. E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
[18:20] <excognac> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[18:21] <excognac> what can i do now?
[18:22] <lordievader> excognac: What is the command you are running?
[18:24] <excognac> lordievader: sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[18:24] <lordievader> excognac: For the upgrade you are not using sudo: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[18:25] <excognac> lordievader: lol thanks so bad of me
[18:25] <lordievader> excognac: No problem, we all make mistakes ;)
[18:35] <jboii> hi
[18:35] <jboii> can someone help me with this?
[18:35] <jboii> i broke my display on my laptop
[18:36] <jboii> and now the usb mouse wont move on my monitor
[18:36] <jboii> why ?
[18:36] <jboii> can someone help me change this
[18:36] <jboii> i now have only one screen and this is my monitor working
[18:58] <excognac> after fresh install and update, ppa kde etc. i got tzhe next: The following desktop effects couldn't be activated: Cover Switch, DEsktop Cube, ~Animation Starup feedback. why is tha?
[18:59] <jdoles> Hello, I try to use Kubuntu, but it fails basically completely.
[18:59] <jdoles> A binary is missing.
[18:59] <jdoles> Do you even test this stuff just once when you make an update?
[18:59] <jdoles> I am going to take a wild guess:
[18:59] <jdoles> No
[19:00] <jdoles> Why are you so careless?
[19:00] <jdoles> All you need to do is 1) build KDE 2) check that one can login, move Windows around, raise Windows, start applications 3) upload it 4) update the website.
[19:00] <jdoles> Are you really this stupid that you cannot even get this right?
[19:01] <lordievader> jdoles: Actually we do test most of what is released. However due to lack of manpower some thins might slip by.
[19:01] <lordievader> jdoles: I'd say become a Kubuntu Tester!
[19:01] <jdoles> Lack of man power is not an excuse; I could do better by myself.
[19:01] <lordievader> jdoles: So join the Kubuntu Testers Team!
[19:01] <jdoles> lordievader: I think human testing is a waste of time.
[19:02] <jdoles> I also think that you merely suggesting that shows that the process is fundamentally wrong.
[19:02] <jdoles> How many commercial companies do you think are out there that test manually for core-features?
[19:03] <jdoles> MS also has tons of automated tests.
[19:05] <jdoles> lordievader: anyway, how do I get KDE working *now*?
[19:05] <jdoles> Or is it just known to be broken until the next release which might never come?
[19:06] <lordievader> jdoles: How can I help you if you don't state your problem?
[19:10] <apolline> Bonjour quelqun pourrais m'aider ?
[19:10] <lordievader> !french | apolline
[19:10] <jdoles> lordievader: krandrsetup not found
[19:10] <jdoles> lordievader: that's what I get when I run startx -- :3
[19:11] <apolline> ok tank you
[19:11] <jdoles> lordievader: I don't know who created the problem, but I installed the package which is supposed to contain it.
[19:11] <lordievader> jdoles: Krandr is depricated, replaced by kscreen. What version of Kubuntu are you running?
[19:11] <jdoles> lordievader: 12.04
[19:11] <jdoles> lordievader: and the ppa with updates.
[19:12] <lordievader> jdoles: The backports?
[19:12] <jdoles> lordievader: isn't there only one?
[19:12] <jdoles> lordievader: if so, then yes.
[19:12] <jdoles> kubuntu-something
[19:12] <jdoles> lordievader: yes
[19:12] <jdoles> lordievader: I checked
[19:13] <jdoles> lordievader: now what?
[19:13] <lordievader> jdoles: What version of KDE does that backports contain?
[19:14] <jdoles> lordievader: qt 4.8.2. KDE dev platf. 4.11.2 kde-config: 1.0
[19:14] <jdoles> lordievader: is that enough information?
[19:14] <jdoles> lordievader: kde4-config output.
[19:15] <jdoles> lordievader: or does KDE4 simply not run on Intel hardware?
[19:16] <lordievader> jdoles: Someone on SUSE had the same problem: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/SuSE/2013-10/msg00728.html Hasn't responded to say if it worked, but make sure kscreen is installed.
[19:17] <jdoles> lordievader: kscreen is installed
[19:18] <lordievader> jdoles: Your system is up to date I take?
[19:18] <jdoles> lordievader: yes
[19:21] <lordievader> jdoles: You mention starx, can you login through kdm?
[19:22] <jdoles> lordievader: why do you think I used startx?
[19:22] <lordievader> jdoles: There can be many reasons...
[19:23] <excognac> how do i import/export all my kubuntu (well maybe it's better to say kde desktop) sttiong?
[19:23] <jdoles> lordievader: the reason is that kdm didn't "work"
[19:23] <jdoles> lordievader: and the reason for that is that that binary is nowhere to be found.
[19:23] <excognac> *settings
[19:23] <jdoles> lordievader: and the solution to this problem is simple: make sure the binary is installed, or make sure it's not being called.
[19:24] <jdoles> lordievader: so, find the "developer"/idiot who committed this, strip his commit rights, undo his commit, and reupload it. Done.
[19:24] <jdoles> It's really not that complex.
[19:25] <lordievader> jdoles: Well it is more complex than that. Precise is quite old.
[19:25] <jdoles> lordievader: it's checking out a branch and doing a bisect. Big deal.
[19:26] <jdoles> lordievader: but likely, a bisect is not even needed.
[19:27] <jdoles> The usual way in which this is supposed to be fixed is asking "who broke it", but if there had been a proper test suite, this would never ever have been in a release.
[19:27] <jdoles> I don't really understand the concept of not having a test suite in an open-source project, where not everyone has a CS degree.
[19:27] <jdoles> I.e., they are amateurs.
[19:28] <jdoles> How can you ever *not* write test suites in such a hostile environment?
[19:28] <jdoles> That's just playing with fire.
[20:02] <evilc> Hi all, I am experiencing problems installing an alternative task manager (Saucy removed Manual Grouping option), can anyone help?
[20:11] <evilc> Well, I gotta reboot into windows to get some work done, but if anyone can help, please see my thread here: http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?64014-Manual-Grouping-of-Task-Panel-items-no-longer-possible
[20:30] <ahoneybun> ikonia, did you get anytime to read that wiki page?
[20:35] <hydron> zombies :P
[20:36] <lordievader> hydron: That's one way to describe us ;)
[20:37] <hydron> I meant no body give a fuck when I ask something :(
[20:38] <IdleOne> hydron: no swearing please
[20:38] <hydron> yah that's all you can do
[20:39] <lordievader> hydron: Must've missed the question, it's not in my backlog. Sorry.
[20:39] <hydron> no problem, thanks any way, I'm living :)
[20:46] <yofel> jdoles: You might be missing the 'kde-workspace-randr' package on your system.
[21:13] <elien> how can restore to the default settings my muon software center..... I have not a bar to search apps and install the update available...
[21:13] <elien> anyone can help me?
[21:21] <MangaKaDenza> argh
[21:21] <MangaKaDenza> I'm running some distro upgrades and stuff
[21:21] <MangaKaDenza> manual, cuz I may have interupted the main upgrade
[21:21] <MangaKaDenza> so, I'm doing many autocleans, dselect-upgrades, upgrades, install -f and other things
[23:36] <nicklas> Hello. How am I supposed to install propietary drivers in the new kubuntu? Fresh install with everything up-to-date, but I can't find the hardware drivers tool?
[23:40] <seattlegaucho> nicklas: are you looking for 'jockey'?
[23:41] <nicklas> seattlegaucho: is that supposed to be preinstalled? i ran xubuntu 13.04, and that had it in software sources settings
[23:42] <seattlegaucho> It should be installed by default on Kubuntu
[23:42] <nicklas> seattlegaucho: i have activated testing repos, maybe it has been removed when updating
[23:42] <seattlegaucho> search for 'jockey' in the repositories
[23:42] <nicklas> seattlegaucho: not really sure, but i think it was preinstalled when i had just installed kubuntu
[23:43] <seattlegaucho> there's one of kde, gtk and text ... the latter you can run it from the command line
[23:43] <seattlegaucho> kubuntu should pre-install it and it would be under the Systems menu
[23:43] <nicklas> seattlegaucho: yeah, i know what jockey is, but just thought maybe its not preinstalled anymore
[23:43] <nicklas> yeah
[23:43] <seattlegaucho> it is in 13.04
[23:44] <nicklas> is it jockey-kde or jockey-qt or something like that for kde version?
[23:45] <seattlegaucho> jockey-kde for KDE
[23:45] <nicklas> i think that having hardware drivers in software settings in xubuntu 13.04 was just an experiment, casue in xubuntu 13.10 jockey comes preinstalled again
[23:46] <seattlegaucho> jockey-common (a dependency) also provides 'jockey-text' AFAIK
[23:46] <nicklas> jockey-text is cli?
[23:46] <seattlegaucho> yep
[23:47] <nicklas> but i think jockey-kde installs the cli version, jockey-kde is just a frontend i think?
[23:47] <seattlegaucho> could be ... I haven't used it in a while
[23:48] <nicklas> oh? how do you install your drivers?
[23:48] <seattlegaucho> I mostly buy hardware with supported drivers ... and recently more and more drivers are available by default ... so I haven't had the need in a while
[23:49] <seattlegaucho> ... I avoid Broadcomm wifi chipsets ... which were my worst nightmare
[23:50] <nicklas> its for my ati card
[23:51] <nicklas> think i will try to look for a laptop with support for open drivers when this crashes
[23:52] <nicklas> seems jockey-text is installed by default, but this doesnt look so good
[23:52] <nicklas> nicklas@nicklas-K72Dr:~$ jockey-text
[23:52] <nicklas> ERROR:root:Could not find any typelib for AppIndicator3
[23:52] <nicklas> Ytterligare drivrutiner
[23:52] <nicklas> Söker efter tillgängliga drivrutiner...
[23:52] <FloodBotK1> nicklas: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:59] <nicklas> how do you use jockey-text?