[00:15] how do I install a click package that isn't in the store yet onto a phone? [00:17] aquarius: pkcon install-local yourpackage.click [00:18] Elleo, ah, so I scp the package onto the phone, then do that? [00:18] yep [00:18] how do I uninstall it again afterwards? [00:18] that I'm less sure of, pkcon has a remove option, but I haven't been able to figure out what it expects the app id to be [00:19] it doesn't seem to just be the domain ("com.example.yourpackage") or the format click uses ("com.example.yourpackage_yourpackage_1.0") [00:20] and it doesn't seem to have an option for listing installed packages either to give you a clue [00:20] the click tools can list packages [00:20] but I don't know if the click tools are on the phone or not :) [00:20] do they not just list them in the click format (com.example.yourpackage_yourpackage_1.0)? [00:20] hm, adb shell logs me into the phone as root [00:20] because pkcon didn't seem to like that as a value [00:21] aquarius: if you run service start ssh you can ssh in as phablet [00:21] click can uninstall packages as well, I think, but I think that might be pretty recent, which maybe explains why pkcon doesn't work yet; it may not be hooked up to uninstall [00:21] ah [00:21] cjwatson will know. [00:21] or just sudo to phablet I guess [00:21] what's phablet's password? [00:21] phablet [00:21] ah, i could su to phablet, indeed. [00:22] I found adb shell massively annoying since it wraps everything at 80 characters [00:22] so any long commands get rather garbled [00:22] however, am loath to install a package if I can't uninstall it [00:22] yeah, "click" is on the phone [00:22] and click unregister should therefore work [00:23] but I don't know which user that gets run as. [00:23] "clickpkg", I think [00:24] "click: error: click unregister must be started as root, since it may need to remove packages from disk" <-- that answers that I guess ;) [00:24] I'd like to test that my generated click package works, but I want to be able to uninstall it afterwards, 'cos it's not quite fniished yet :) [00:24] har! [00:24] that does answer that. :) [00:24] better to have pkcon be hooked up to the click back end, I feel. [00:24] yeah [00:25] but I've just successfully uninstalled a package so it seems to work at least :) [00:27] orly? [00:27] maybe I'll try that then :) [00:27] :) [00:29] so you run pkcon as phablet? or as root? [00:29] pkcon as phablet [00:29] then click unregister as root it seems [00:29] I'd guess pkcon ends up running click install as root behind the scenes or something [00:30] yeah [00:30] do I have to do something to poke the Dash so it notices that I've installed a package? [00:31] not sure, I tended to just run stuff from the terminal for a while [00:31] not sure if things showed up on the launcher immediately or not [00:31] or if they only showed up later [00:31] ah, search finds it. [00:31] ah good [00:33] oooh, hung the phone [00:33] that's unideal [00:33] especially since it worked when running it from the sdk ide. [00:34] (I wish that wasn't called "Ubuntu SDK". I don't like calling it Qt Creator because it's not *just* QtC, and that leads to confusion, but "Run your app from Ubuntu SDK" doesn't make any sense.) [00:35] ooh well done, I managed to crash mir plenty of times and get white screens of failure but I never actually got it completely hung [00:36] how are you running apps from the cli? [00:36] qmlscene can't connect to the display. [00:36] do I need to run it under something magic? [00:37] is this a pure qml thing? [00:37] yep [00:37] or a c++ thing? [00:37] pure qml [00:37] No C++ for me, ever [00:37] not entirely sure about pure qml things [00:38] now, why isn't that working, then? [00:38] I don't know if it's true of qml things, but when launching c++ apps you have to specify the desktop file it's associated with [00:38] I'm now running it by tapping it in the Dash, and looking at ~/.cache/upstart/application-click-(packagename).log [00:38] e.g. ./yourapp --desktop_file_hint=/opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.example.yourapp/yourapp.desktop [00:38] and that's not showing anything wrong [00:39] and yet... black screen instead of an app. [00:39] aha, same seems to be true of qml apps [00:40] I just ran "qmlscene uReadIt.qml --desktop_file_hint=/opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.developer.mhall119.ureadit/current/ureadit.desktop" successfully [00:41] well, it unregisters, anyway :) [00:41] perhaps something is preventing it loading at all, I used to get white screens when my app wouldn't start due to missing libraries [00:42] and nothing much logged [00:42] ah, if I can do that, then I can see if I get console output. [00:42] yeah [00:43] QXcbConnection: Could not connect to display [00:43] if you're running the ubuntu-sdk you might want to try just "ssh phablet@localhost -p 2222" to get a proper ssh session before trying to type out something long like that [00:43] are you running this as root perhaps? [00:43] I'll try under ssh raher than adb shell. [00:44] yeah, probably best [00:44] erm [00:45] how is that ssh command of yours meant to work? [00:45] I don't want to ssh into localhost [00:45] ubuntu-sdk setups up a port forward for you [00:45] you might have to enable something on the device page first [00:46] oooooooo [00:46] I think adb shell might have buggered that up. [00:46] I probably enabled developer mode and platform development mode, not sure if those were necessary for ssh access though [00:46] aha [00:46] that's interesting to know [00:46] I shall restart qtc [00:47] right, now it works [00:47] cool [00:47] ha! [00:47] and there's the problem. :) [00:47] oh? [00:48] I'm including a qml component that I no longer use :) [00:48] ah [00:48] so I didn't put it in the click package [00:48] but I haven't deleted it off the disk, so it works locally. [00:48] Why isn't that in the logs? [00:48] grr. [00:48] heh [00:51] mhall119, shouldn't stderr output from qmlscene end up in the upstart log somewhere so it can be seen [00:51] ? [00:51] yeahhhhhhh [00:51] now my app works. [00:53] cool [00:53] what's the app? [00:53] little puzzle game [00:53] neat [00:53] once my design guy has done me an icon, I shall release it; probably tomorrow [00:54] nice [00:54] I like your dropping letters game [00:54] the game itself is dead simple; I'm using it as a way to get more of a hang of all the ancillary stuff needed to make a simple app nice [00:54] at least I think that's one of yours? [00:54] it is indeed [00:54] cool [00:55] although I wrote the game; keeping it up to date with the SDK and writing tests etc has been taken on by nice people like kenvandine and balloons [00:55] yeah, that's the best approach to development, do all the cool fun stuff then shove the maintenance off on some poor suckers ;) [00:56] you might very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment. :) [00:56] it has been interesting seeing how much stuff there is to do outside core gameplay, though; discovering this is why I wrote this little puzzle thing [00:57] core game took about five minutes. Making sure all the screens transition nicely, the typography is right, it's got an icon and a description and a manifest and sound effects and so on has taken way longer [00:57] yeah [00:58] that's what'll make the platform nice, though. I am dead scared that there will be too many apps which just have core gameplay and nothing else [00:58] all platforms end up with a large amount of dross, but with a decent rating/ordering system in the store that's less of an issue [00:59] at the beginning meego had a tonne of apps that were basically just a qml wrapper around some rss feeds [00:59] because the terrible devs that did that sort of thing could just churn out hundreds of them in a go [01:01] the cream will rise :) [01:01] I'm more worried about people making restrictive platform decisions out of fear or rubbish apps which then hampers the creation of decent ones [01:02] ending up with dross is ok -- as you say, that'll happen [01:02] starting off that way discourages good developers from joining. [01:02] currently my spotify client is a bit useless since there's no way to request that it continue running in the background or halting full suspending [01:02] meego... is not exactly the poster child for having a large selection of great apps. [01:03] ya. The background stuff is being worked on -- that's not a restrictive platform decision, it's a function of having lots of arses to kick and not all that many boots :) [01:03] true, but it had some corkers :) [01:03] heh [01:03] it did have great apps, indeed [01:03] just not many :) [01:04] I *believe* (and I may well be wrong about this) that you can hand off musci playing to The Background Music Service and then you're OK [01:04] and if ubuntu touch doesn't end up too restrictive I think there could be a good amount of porting of meego and sailfish apps to ubuntu touch (and vice-versa) [01:04] actually having your app be *itself* a background daemon is coming, but using the existing background services to play music and download stuff is doable now as I understand it [01:05] aquarius: a background music service is an okay option, but it mustn't be the *only* option [01:05] since things like spotify can't work that way [01:05] why not? [01:05] as you have to handle little buffers chucked your way from libspotify [01:05] rather than a stream or file that you can actually hand off somewhere else [01:05] oh, you don't get a URL with auth tokens that you can give to someone else? [01:05] ah [01:05] nope, unfortunately not [01:06] that might mean the spotify app needs to wait until apps are themselves allowed to be background daemons, then [01:06] well I *could* refactor to make a background daemon that does all the spotify stuff [01:06] and then the ui just chats to that over dbus [01:06] but it'd be a pain in the arse [01:06] you could, but you're not allowed to run background daemons :) [01:07] yeah, not yet anyway [01:07] I'd talk to tvoss about this, if I were you. Firstly he'll know the current status, and secondly this will be a useful piece of input into the plan for background stuff, which he's lead guy on [01:07] personally I'd like to see fairly unrestricted multi-tasking like on meego and sailfish, with some resource policy type system for requesting that you stay out of full suspend [01:08] aquarius: well I've made my case on the mailing list [01:08] there's currently a massive thread about all this :P [01:08] oh, already? cool :) [01:08] I have not been reading the mailing list. Suppose I should, really :0 [01:08] heh [01:10] aquarius: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg04736.html <-- that's the thread if you fancy a nice long read ;) [01:21] have read [01:22] general approach -- which I agree with, I think -- is that if you want to do some sort of a background thing, you should (a) use one of the platform services, (b) if you think you can't use one of the platform services, think again and find a way of doing it, (c) if you *really* can't, such as is the case for your spotify app because of the way libspotify works, then wait for background daemons to be allowed and [01:22] then refactor your app to be a background daemon and a UI. [01:23] Your point that this makes your app not be a direct port of MeeSpot is a valid one [01:23] but I suspect that that is not by itself enough of a reason :) [01:26] yeah, but it's a shame the more ubuntu touch adds additional restrictions the less incentive there is for people to port apps like this [01:26] although of course the majority of apps aren't effected by this sort of decision [01:27] but I'm more interested in the success of QT based Linux phone platforms than I am in the success of any specific one, so the easier it is to make apps available for all of them the happier I am [01:31] another little project I have vaguely planned is an Ubuntu Touch/Sailfish robotics platform (probably using something IOIO like on ubuntu and trying to do something nifty with the Jolla Other Half) based around ROS for which these sorts of issues rear their head again [01:32] but I suspect the restrictions around click apps will make that impossible for ubuntu [01:33] might do. I know nothing of robotics :) [01:33] anyway, must sleep, it's half one [01:33] and I fully realise that isn't something most users or app developers would care about, but one of the main reasons I've really liked previous linux based phones is the freedom to do that sort of esoteric thing [01:33] later :) [01:33] ok so I'm doing a home automation project with a Raspberry Pi. I currently have an alarm system in my house (with switches and sensors already installed). [01:33] night :) [01:33] I plan on writing the application that listens for faults on my own. I'm open to any suggestions on how to go about this (I'd prefer to use python, but I'm open to any language). [01:33] The finished product will be a touch screen with a fairly simple GUI. There will be an "Arm" button to arm the alarm system, and a "Disarm" button that will require a password. [01:33] I have a couple of questions about how to do this: [01:34] 1) Is a loop that runs several times per second checking for faults in the system a good way to go about it? [01:34] 2) I would like to be able to remotely arm/disarm the system, as well as open/close the garage door. Any ideas on how I should do this? [01:34] 3) How can I require a password to Disarm the system? It would be easy to just exit the program without typing in a password to disarm the alarm system. [01:35] PDilyard: is this a touch app or a general application? One thing to be aware of is that it's not currently possible to do much with python in touch apps and still have them distributable since click can't specify dependencies and pyqt isn't installed as part of the base system [01:35] it will just be a general application [01:35] (although I'd like to see that change) [01:36] is this an app running on the pi or running on a pc that the pi talks to? [01:36] probably running on the pi [01:36] I haven't started to develop yet, so I'm open to any and all suggestions though [01:36] can you setup the system to trigger an interrupt on the pi? [01:37] (when something goes wrong) [01:37] rather than constantly polling the system [01:37] hmm that might be a good idea [01:37] the Pi has a bunch of General Purpose I/O ports, so I guess I could make a circuit that only triggers the Pi when there is a break in the circuit [01:37] as for remote arming/disarming if you give the pi a wifi dongle and write a quick http server you can trigger it from any browser on your network [01:38] (or make it accessible outside of your network if you really wanted to) [01:38] although I'm not sure I'd want my security system open to the internet no matter how sure I was of its passwords :P [01:38] but i could just set use a VPN client to get into it from anywhere [01:39] which would be more secure [01:39] yeah [01:39] as for point three, I'd guess you'd want to make the alarm system non-dependant on the pi [01:39] so if the pi is suddenly removed everything continues running and alarms can be tripped [01:40] the pi just has the capacity to explicitly disable the alarm [01:40] so some other little microcontroller in the circuit handling the actual alarm stuff and talking to the pi might be good [01:40] hmm alright [01:40] that's just off the top of my head though, and I'm no expert in home automation/alarm system type stuff [01:41] not a problem, i appreciate your input [01:41] #raspberrypi might have more insights :) [01:41] good idea [01:46] Elleo, what would you recommend for developing applications for Ubuntu? This would be my first project. I'd like to use python, what would you recommend for creating a GUI? [01:48] PDilyard: well QT5 and QML are quite pleasant (available in python via PyQt5 but only if your app is GPL'd) [01:48] GTK is fairly nice in python too though [01:49] I'd suggest just having a bit of a play with them, read through a couple of tutorials and see what clicks with your way of thinking best [01:49] ok cool, i'll look into it [01:56] Elleo: so if I go with QML, do i have the ability for a user to click a button and run a python script in the background? [01:57] PDilyard: yeah, there's two ways you can do that, the traditional way is with PyQt acting as a host for the QML app (just like you can do with C++) [01:58] the newer and more experimental way is to use PyOtherSide which embeds the python3 interpretter inside QML as a QML plugin [01:58] ok [02:34] Elleo: in GTK, do you know how to link to another "activity" with a button. For example, you have a home screen, you click a "Settings" button, and it takes you into a settings screen [02:37] PDilyard: if you want to do it all within one window you could use a stack and a stack switcher, or a notebook for a tabbed approach [02:37] or you could simply open a new window [02:39] thanks [02:40] no worries :) [02:50] Elleo: are you talking about GTK or GTK+, or are they the same thing? [02:52] PDilyard: same thing [02:52] only gtk3 has stacks iirc, gtk2 just has notebooks [02:53] anyway, bed time for me; good luck with your app :) [02:54] thank you!! [02:54] no problem :) === hunger_ is now known as hunger [09:38] Given that apps can't open the Dash, if I want MyGreatApp to have a clickable button saying "hey! get MyGreatApp 2!", how do I do it? What I want is to make that link to something like dash://applications/MyGreatApp2 ... [09:39] Good morning all; happy Animation Day! :-D === _salem is now known as salem_ [11:03] aquarius: I think the uri_handler should do this..atm there are only links to specific apps like music, alarm, browser, settings app etc [11:03] aquarius: may be talk to tedg? [11:08] +1 [11:09] nik90, popey: the problem is that the Dash (and thus the applications scope) is not an app [11:10] i don't think that matters [11:10] it would need to be picked up by unity8 [11:38] popey, it would -- but as I understand it, popping up the Dash based on a user action in an app is a design no-no :( [11:38] popey, where's your get-a-screenshot-from-the-phone script so I can nick it? === JamesTai1 is now known as JamesTait [11:40] aquarius: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~popey/+junk/phablet-flash-wrapper/view/head:/mirfbdump [11:40] thanks, dude :) [11:41] it's a rip off of http://people.canonical.com/~j-lallement/touch/mirfbdump [11:41] which you may prefer [11:41] mine doesn't reduce quality of images though, and has upload capability (which you may not want) [11:45] Can't quite fathom why developers are submitting iOS apps to the store. [11:46] I have just taken the upload thing out of it [11:46] Interestingly it's a Unity3D app looking at the contents of the zip file, which (if Unity3D were ported) could possibly run on the platform (once other API stuff is done) [11:46] works perfectly; nice one [11:46] popey: wait ur script uploads to imgur? that would be awesome [11:46] np [11:46] or ur server/ [11:46] it just scp's [11:46] to any server you specify, but yeah, imgur might be nice [11:46] is there a command line I can use to do that? curl maybe? [11:47] uploading to imgur would be pretry trivial; just use the API. [11:47] http://planspace.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/upload-images-to-your-imgur-account.html [11:47] aquarius: patches welcome [11:47] I _never_ get to say that. [11:47] I don't need imgur upload capability :) [11:48] gotta faff about registering an app to get api keys, though. [11:48] yeah [11:48] easier to just scp [11:48] *nod* [11:48] then I get the magic that is http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/gallery.php [11:48] you do indeed [11:48] which I used again at the weekend, so thank you for that :) [11:49] popey: the docs for sharing to social networks used by ureadit app is not really that easy to understand :( === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:54] mhall119: Can you create a post explain rev 8 of your ureadit app. would love to see explanations for the friends features u added to your app. [12:11] Hi, got my Nexus 4 today. Following the release note guidelines to get ssh access, but they don't appear to be accurate. I ran adb shell, and did apt-get install openserver, but it was already installed (doesn't match the instuctions). [12:11] 'service ssh status' said it wasn't running, so I started it. But no luck connecting. ssh phablet@myip just returns 'no route to host'. Any ideas? [12:12] 'ssh localhost' from 'adb shell' works, so the service is running on the device. [12:12] 'ufw status' shows no firewall running. [12:13] *openssh-server [12:14] mattaustin, sshd is installed, but disabled by default (since we default to a readonly FS you cant really install debs anymore (and we dont encourage that)) [12:14] mattaustin, adb shell start ssh [12:15] that should give you sshd running [12:15] (note: it wont persist, you need to do the same after next reboot again) [12:16] ogra_: thanks, will give that a go :). [12:16] hey guys :) === boiko_ is now known as boiko [12:24] ogra_: That worked after a reboot, cheers! [12:25] mattaustin: which instructions did you follow? [12:25] (so I can get them fixed) [12:31] * ogra_ files bug 1245465 [12:31] Launchpad bug 1245465 in webbrowser-app (Ubuntu) "should offer a commandline option to override the user agent in webapp mode" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1245465 === greyback is now known as greyback|break [12:35] ogra_: i discussed this with dbarth‎ it would be good to override the ua-overrides.js itself since it's not really a clean way to passe the UA (like "Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 5_0 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/534.46 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.1 Mobile/9A334 Safari/7534.48.3") in commandline option [12:36] popey: Thanks, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes#Accessing_the_device_over_SSH [12:36] daker, well, i dont want to override all the other entries when i try to make my webapp work [12:37] popey: Also, I found that the instructions for installing the SDK were incorrect - the ppa mentioned shows a big deprecation warning in it's description: http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/create/get-the-sdk/ [12:37] thanlks mattaustin [12:37] daker, btw, do you know any way to get a back button or even have all external links opening in the browser with your x-type example ? [12:39] ogra_: what's the actual result ? [12:40] * daker didn't get yet a phone to test with [12:40] daker, oh, and another thing, i bert it would be a good idea to add the audio policy to x-type ... i bet the game has saound ;) [12:41] daker, the result for me is that i get an empty toolbar whn swiping from the bottom ... and that external links open in the webapp itself ... (tricky without a back button to get back again) [12:43] ogra_: not sure why but the audio works only on a desktop browser not why the devs didn't implement it (will ask) [12:43] * ogra_ tried your wrapper with m.slashdot.org ... the wrapper works fine, but i miss all the --webapp functions the browser gives me (only open certain pages inside the app, get the nav elements by default etc) [12:43] daker, well, if you add "audio" to your x-type.json it should just work [12:44] ogra_: i don't think so [12:44] it works for me in other apps [12:45] audio, video and networking should always be accessible for all apps if defined in the json file [12:45] ogra_: the problem is on the game itself [12:45] ah, k [12:46] ogra_: if you the webpp you want to package already provide a mobile version then you should use the --webapp [12:46] daker, right, thats what i do ... [12:46] daker, but i have a few sites where it doesnt work at all [12:46] like m.slashdot.org or m.sz.de [12:47] they automatically falll back to the desktop version [12:47] ogra_: because they do UA sniffing :) [12:47] typically all sites where android would have a js popup "do you want to see the mobile version oof this page" [12:48] popey, is there any way to link from a website to an Ubuntu phone app at all which is a useful link to follow for people on the phone? For desktop apps there's apps.ubuntu.com, but I don't think there's anything like that for phones, and I have no idea what to put on an app website other than "Available from the Ubuntu applications scope" with no link [12:51] ogra_: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/webbrowser-app/trunk/view/head:/src/app/commandline-parser.cpp#L82 [12:52] hmm well not sure but only one argument can be used :( [12:52] which arg are you referring to now ? [12:53] --enable-back-forward [12:53] (i usually use --webappUrlPatterns= and --enable-back-forward) [12:53] but that doesnt work in the wrapper case [12:54] ah yes [12:54] since it's only provides the UbuntuWebView [12:54] it* [12:55] right [12:55] so you need the UA override bug to be fixed so you can override the UA in webapp mode [12:55] right [12:55] :) [12:56] thus the bug i filed ;) [12:59] anyone available that can purge files/app from 'MyApps'? [13:05] ogra_: :) [13:05] blaroche: what app [13:07] package name if feed-the-aggregator [13:08] blaroche: I think you'll want beuno for that [13:08] davmor2: thank you [13:09] aquarius: not yet [13:09] blaroche, why do you need it purged? [13:11] beuno: i needed to fix *.desktop file, clicked 'resubmitting' thinking i'd be able to select an updated click package, but just resubmitted the same package. so i decided to delete is and start over.. [13:11] so, now seems i can submit a new app, since there might be existing files from the old submit [13:12] blaroche, bumping the version should solve that === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:12] ogra_: i figured that out a little too late unfortunatly [13:12] (just make it 0.2 in the manifest and also in the submission form) [13:13] problem was i resubmitted the same package, and i didn't want to waste the reviewers time with the same package that was already reviewed [13:14] it doesn't work like that, you aren't wasting our time ☻ [13:15] it takes the same amount of time for us to review 1.0 as it does to review 1.1 [13:15] blaroche, done [13:15] popey, no worries: I didn't think so, just curious in case I'd missed somethnig :) [13:16] beuno: thank you very much [13:17] hey aquarius! I miss you! [13:17] beuno, heya, pal! [13:18] miss me, huh? Are there lots more buses going past your place with no-one under them this week? ;-) [13:18] beuno, we all do !! [13:18] aquarius, ah, so you've heard I'm in Oakland again, huh? :) [13:20] I shall release a simple little puzzle app for the phone later today, which might keep people's minds occupied for a few minutes [13:20] once my design guy has done me an icon :) [13:21] aquarius: lemme know if you need any review/playtesting. I am good at breaking things ☻ [13:21] popey, you might get a sneak preview :) [13:23] heh [13:27] Elleo, https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-appstore-developers/msg00553.html explains how to get the ID for a click package so that pkcon can remove it [13:28] beuno, having fun in Oakland? I did see some suggestions that the streets were filled with armed police [13:29] aquarius: ah cool, thanks [13:29] thank cjwatson, not I :) === greyback|break is now known as greyback [13:33] Anyone know if video-out (mhl) works with the nexus 4? I know there was an example of using it with the convergence plans, but I was wondering if I could easily demo the phone ui on a tv using it? I'm hoping to give a small talk on qt/qml at my local python users group before the end of the year. [13:42] mattaustin: nope [13:43] mattaustin: might be easier to point a webcam at the device and project that from your laptop [13:43] for the moment [13:43] popey: cheers, saves me buying a cable and finding out. Webcam sounds like a plan, thanks. [13:45] A follow up question - any way to easily take a screenshot from the device? [13:47] last step uploading click package: [13:47] Total uploaded: 100% [13:47] Upload failed due to an Server error. Details: BAD REQUEST code 400. [13:47] mattaustin: http://people.canonical.com/~j-lallement/touch/mirfbdump that script [13:47] any ideas what could be the problem? [13:48] blaroche, the server may be timing out, try again [13:48] blaroche: we have seen this a few times, can you retry? [13:48] popey: Great, thanks again! [13:48] np [13:48] yea, i'll give it a few and try. i'll ping back if its still an issue after a few hours. thanks [14:03] blaroche, i had that on friday too [14:03] beuno, ^^^ [14:03] smells like a flaky backend server or some such [14:04] uploading them as arm packages worked for me, but that doesnt pass the review [14:04] ogra_: yours was because a duplicate upload for that version number [14:04] it looks like [14:04] at least when you got a 500 [14:04] if you got a 400 that will be something else [14:05] james_w, nope, it definitely failed already with the first upload [14:05] admittedly i tried a few times a few hours later though [14:05] actually though I think there was a change to return a 400 on duplicates [14:05] i got a 400 too [14:06] you can find out what it was using the developer toolbar until the UI is updated to show the information [14:06] i tried from 3 different machines (thinking it was a browser issue) on the second try [14:06] if you activate request logging in the developer toolbar [14:06] and it just worked when i tried on sunday again [14:06] popey, ogra_: Mission successful, got my app running: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BXq0NX3CMAAIq7A.png:large , thanks for your help. [14:06] then you can see the request and look at the content for the 400 [14:06] mattaustin: sweet! [14:06] james_w, ok, will do that the next time i run into that [14:07] thanks [14:07] ogra_: there is a problem with arm packages and passing the review? thats what i'm uploading.. [14:07] blaroche, click packages need to be arch all as far as i know [14:08] (someone correct me if i'm wrong) [14:08] mind is c++/qml,so it's only compiled for arm [14:08] mine* [14:08]