[03:08] <MavKen> Are any of you using 13.04 03 13.10 on a production server?  If so, have you had any issues?
[03:11] <parallel21> I updated dev environment
[03:12] <parallel21> It uses php 5.5 which we were unable to use with drupal because of the drop of json_encode
[03:12] <parallel21> Still working on a way to downgrade, so I rebuilt php from source
[03:13] <MavKen> ah ok
[03:16] <MavKen> is there a way to create a script file to run after a clean ubuntu server install to get everything else i want installed and configured?
[03:20] <parallel21> There are several ways going about that
[03:20] <MavKen> for example, id like to install apache, mysql (using a prefined root pass), php..etc
[03:21] <MavKen> just want to put a script together, as much as i repeat the same commands on fresh os installs
[03:22] <parallel21> You could... https://help.ubuntu.com/13.10/installation-guide/i386/ch04s06.html#kickstart
[03:22] <parallel21> Or create a puppet manifest to deploy post-install
[03:23] <parallel21> I haven't used kickstart, and I use puppet to bootstrap servers with a lamp or lemp stack etc
[03:24] <MavKen> ok thanks, will check those out
[06:20] <ethana3> I'm trying to direct all traffic to one IP through another... to transparently bypass remote servers without changing nameservice configuration
[06:20] <ethana3> but the instructions I'm coming across online aren't working, so I think that's because they're old, for different distributions, or both
[06:21] <ethana3> basically, the *kind* of thing i'm trying to do is just say, 70.xx.yy.zz = 8.8.8.8, so I can just send traffic through 70.x and get google on the other end, that kind of thing
[07:23] <leif_> morning is this the irc for running severs
[07:25] <andol> leif_: Well, might not be the only irc channel for that, but yeah, the topic is definetly server related.
[07:26] <leif_> ok
[07:26] <leif_> is a bit new to ubuntu so
[07:45] <hispeed68> is 12.10 preferred over 12.04?
[07:49] <henkjan_> hispeed68: 12.04 is LTS (Long Term Support) release. that one is preferred
[07:50] <henkjan_> hispeed68: else you could try 13.10
[07:54] <hispeed68> 13.10 wouldn't work (video). 12.04 is working.
[07:54] <riz0n> hello, I have Ubuntu 12.04 LTS server and want to take advantage of new features available in Dovecot 2.2.6-1 ... what would be the bewst way to go about upgrading Dovecot to support the new features?
[07:56] <melmoth> riz0n, if you are lucky, somebody already packaged it for 12.04
[07:56] <melmoth> if you are less lucky, you may try to rebuild a package from debian, and cross finger
[07:56] <G> riz0n: check if the Dovecot team have a PPA
[07:57] <melmoth> if you are out of luck, compile it in a --prefix dark /usr/local corner of your box ?
[07:59] <G> based on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dovecot it appears there are no builds of 2.2.x in any PPA or any release atm
[08:00] <G> actually, I lie, missed the link to  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas?name_filter=dovecot
[08:00] <G> but remember, PPAs are use at own risk :)
[08:02] <hispeed67> i thoughts on striping (no parity) 4 flash drives?
[08:02] <riz0n> i thought about 2.1
[08:03] <riz0n> i just want the latest stable version that supports RFC-6154 to fix some issues in Outlook 2013
[10:07] <RVFCore__> Hi
[10:08] <RVFCore__> Can anybody helps with 12.04.02 and a Samba configuration?
[11:24] <jamespage> adam_g, roaksoax: if either of you have time I have a number of MP's stacked up against charm-helpers for various
[11:24] <jamespage> charm features I'm working on:
[11:25] <jamespage> https://code.launchpad.net/~charm-helpers/charm-helpers/devel/+activereviews
[11:43] <gso> How do I unload a kernel module with dots in it's name ?
[11:48] <Patero-n1> hello I'm on ubuntu server 13.10 and when I change my ip via ifconfig it loses access to dns resolution how to respecifiy or restablish the route
[11:49] <Patero-n1> I checked ifconfig man page but it says nothing about specifying dns info
[11:53] <eagles0513875> hey guys is the mod spamhaus package has it been backported to 12.04
[11:53] <eagles0513875> and apache 2.2
[11:53] <ihre> Patero-n1: echo nameserver 8.8.8.8 > /etc/resolv.conf
[11:53] <ihre> or w/e DNS you'd like to use
[11:54] <Patero-n1> ihre: what about the dns specified on that file why aren't they valid anymore
[11:55] <ihre> Patero-n1: what do you mean? you can check what your current dns server is with something like nslookup google.com
[11:56] <mardraum> ihre: if  you read the contents of that file, it tells you about why you should not do that.
[11:56] <ihre> mardraum: that is when youre using /etc/network/interfaces, right ?
[11:57] <mardraum> when using resolvconf, which is the default in ubuntu.
[11:57] <mardraum> Patero-n1: man resolvconf
[12:00] <ihre> mardraum: ifconfig doesnt attach to resolvconf
[12:00] <mardraum> no. but I think he is missing information about how to permanently change details
[12:01] <Patero-n1> when I change my ip on ifconfig it loses name resolution when I put my ip back still can't access dns names I have to dhcpcd again to fix it
[12:01] <mardraum> Patero-n1: do you want to permanently change your IP?
[12:01] <mardraum> eg to survive a reboot?
[12:01] <Patero-n1> mardraum: yes
[12:02] <Patero-n1> mardraum: after I find out how to specify dns
[12:02] <mardraum> Patero-n1: you need to edit /etc/network/interfaces
[12:02] <mardraum> Patero-n1: DNS is specified in that file.
[12:02] <ihre> then edit /etc/network/interfaces and set something like dns-nameservers 8.8.8.8 4.2.2.2
[12:02] <mardraum> man resolvconf for details
[12:15] <Patero-n1> cool
[12:27] <Patero-n1> mardraum: it only talks about dns when it refers to auto mode in ipv6
[13:19] <jamespage> zul, ovs 2.0.0 uploaded... smoked OK for me locally
[13:20] <zul> jamespage:  sweet dont forget to upload it to the CA oh wait...habbit
[13:20] <jamespage> zul, lol
[13:20]  * jamespage enjoys a release off
[13:23] <jamespage> zul, doh - uploaded ovs to saucy
[13:23] <jamespage> ....
[13:24] <zul> lol
[13:37] <zul> jamespage:  im just waiting for the new libvirt before putting it in trusty
[13:37] <jamespage> zul, OK - I think I figured out how to trigger test runs as well
[13:37] <jamespage> doing those now
[13:38] <zul> sweet
[13:38] <jamespage> zul, btw we need to get sessions raised this week for vUDS as well I think
[13:39] <zul> jamespage:  really?
[13:39] <zul> *sigh*
[13:41] <jibel> zul, hi, I fixed the dep8 part of cherrypy3, now autopkgtest fails for a good reason. cherryd is installed in the wrong location and python3 packaging looks incomplete.
[13:41] <jibel> zul, https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Trusty/view/AutoPkgTest/job/trusty-adt-cherrypy3 if you want to have a look
[13:41] <zul> jibel:  cool ill have a look
[14:05] <zul> jamespage:  i did the same for saucy what you did ;)
[14:05] <jamespage> zul, lol
[14:27] <Patero-n1> I need help
[14:28] <Patero-n1> I read the man of interfaces at network/ and on the static method it doesn't mention anything about setting a dns server I just founnd how to set the default gateway and stuff
[14:30] <mardraum> Patero-n1: man resolvconf shows you how to do this.
[14:31] <Patero-n1> k
[14:32] <mardraum> Patero-n1: I've only mentioned it at least three times now. What exact issue are you having?
[14:36] <jrwren> it is a little strange that dns-nameservers isn't mentioned in the interfaces man page.
[14:38] <ihre> Patero-n1: http://dpaste.com/1432527/
[14:43] <ndee> is it possible to use hosts.deny with a dyndns hostname?
[14:47] <zul> jamespage:  we need to figure out what we are gonig to do about samba, merges.ubuntu.com wants to merge 4.0
[14:48] <jrwren> ndee: no, because those hostnames just do a reverse dns based on the incoming IP address to find hostname.
[14:53] <Patero-n1> apparently I have run the updater script after editing the record of the iface.prog
[14:53] <Patero-n1> tedious
[14:54] <Patero-n1> mardraum: my issue is that when I change my ip I lost access to name resolution
[14:55] <jrwren> http://askubuntu.com/questions/367296/why-did-upgrade-to-saucy-replace-my-host-keys-on-first-reboot
[14:56] <jrwren> anyone see a reboot after saucy upgrade replace their ssh host keys?
[14:58] <jamespage> zul, I think we just follow Debian and try to remove as much delta as possible
[14:58] <jamespage> how much MIR is it going to create?
[14:59] <zul> jamespage:  i havent really looked at it yet but i can do so today
[15:00] <jamespage> zul, no rush this week
[15:10] <Gianluca_31V2> salve
[15:21] <hispeed67> i activated proprietary nvidia driver xx.73 and now X wont start. i got into text mode, but how do i switch out of the nvidia proprietary driver?
[15:34] <hispeed67> last try before re-installing.. i installed the proprietary nvidia driver and now cant get into X. how do i return to other framebuffer.
[15:38] <BrianH> hispeed67: kill lightdm, purge the driver, create a new /etc/X11/xorg.conf, file and restart lightdm
[15:40] <BrianH> hispeed67: Out of curiosity, which driver are you using and which card?  I just installed the nvidia drivers on my server yesterday for my GT240.
[15:52] <hispeed67> brianh: awesome, just booting from cd to do reinstall.. already killed lightdm and renamed bunch of lightdm files to lightdm.old. 50/50 on the reinstall. it is *currently* installed on a slow 40g drive, i have a 200G drive i was going to install to..
[15:53] <BrianH> hispeed67: If you do a fresh install on the 200GB drive, it should set it up with the nouveau drivers.
[15:54] <hispeed67> i think that is what ima gonna do.. it's an old ms-8917 video card.
[15:54] <hispeed67> fx-5200
[15:55] <BrianH> Yeah, the nouveau drivers should be plenty sufficient for that card.  Why did you install the proprietary drivers?
[15:55] <hispeed67> see if any performance improvement..
[15:56] <BrianH> Ah, gotcha.  I would recommend imaging your HDD once you have the base system setup, that way you have a fall back in case you mess it up again. :P
[15:57] <genii> It begs the question of why you are even using X on a server install ;)
[15:57] <BrianH> I use X myself because I run a bunch of KVM machines.
[15:57] <hispeed67> cause im more familiar with xtools.. prefer to *boot* into text mode and use startx if i need X.
[15:59] <hitsujiTMO> does virt-manager not work for remote kvm management?
[16:01] <BrianH> hitsujiTMO: Yep, but it's my home server so I don't care much to run it remotely.
[16:02] <Patero-ng> I got a message saying unable to load system information due to load higher then 1.0 what is this means?
[16:03] <hispeed67> means you system load is high
[16:03] <Patero-ng> the cpu load?
[16:03] <hitsujiTMO> Patero-ng: openssh-server wont run the motd scripts when your load is higher than 1.0%
[16:04] <Patero-ng> why is 1% cpu load dangerous?
[16:04] <Patero-ng> do I need a faster cpu
[16:04] <hitsujiTMO> Patero-ng: no
[16:05] <Pici> 1.0 load is not 1% cpu.
[16:06] <Patero-ng> ohh
[16:07] <BrianH> Yeah, 1.0 means your CPU is doing the most it possibly can.  You can have a higher load number, which means things start getting queued.
[16:07] <hispeed67> i was going to stripe 4 * 16g flash drives... thoughts??
[16:08] <Patero-ng> BrianH: k
[16:08] <BrianH> hispeed67: lol, really?
[16:09] <BrianH> hispeed67: Just to learn how raid works?
[16:09] <hispeed67> just to fuk with it.. yea...think it would suck???
[16:09] <baggar11> anyone use deluge-web in here? wondering if you've noticed that title bar preferences don't save on exit.
[16:09] <hispeed67> no, i know how raid works, just have an excess of flash drives
[16:09] <BrianH> It might destroy the drives after a while, depending on how much you use them.
[16:10] <hispeed67> have 7*16G, 3*32G and 2*64G...
[16:10] <hitsujiTMO> Patero-ng: Pici: my apologies. yes, load 1.0 is a cpu is on full. but doesn't necessarily mean you need to upgrade.
[16:10] <hispeed67> usually on startup...
[16:10] <Pici> hitsujiTMO: technically its just 1 core of the CPU
[16:10] <hispeed67> give time to start before loggingg and and that 1.0 will prolly go away
[16:11] <BrianH> hispeed67: On USB3?
[16:11] <hispeed67> one of the 32's is usb3, rest are usb2, but ports are only usb2 anyway
[16:12] <BrianH> hispeed67: on-board ports or through a hub?  I never really thought about using flash drives for raids, but now I'm thinking it might be a cool way to show students, lol.
[16:12] <hispeed67> hub
[16:12] <hispeed67> BrianH: it's cheap...
[16:13] <Patero-ng> I have a problem my wireless card is not detected anymore it's a netgear wag511 pcmcia
[16:13] <BrianH> hispeed67: Looks like someone already did this: http://bigbruin.com/reviews05/thumbraid_1
[16:13] <hispeed67> doh.
[16:14] <hispeed67> reading
[16:15] <Patero-ng> oh it just detected it I think the connectors were dirty
[16:15] <zul> jamespage:  ok i just merged/synced a bunch of openstack dependencies
[16:15] <Patero-ng> it's a 10 year old pcmcia
[16:16] <BrianH> hispeed67: I like the concept though.  4 x 4GB drives + a hub and you got a simple setup for a RAID experiment under $25.
[16:17] <hispeed67> im using 4x16 for my home dir
[16:17] <ogra_> USB2 maxes out at 25M/s per hub though
[16:17] <BrianH> hispeed67: wow, his Raid 0 benchmarks were pretty impressive, haha.
[16:18] <BrianH> for 4 drives ^^
[16:18] <hispeed67> wonder why 2 drive was so much better than the rest..
[16:18] <hispeed67> wrong chart
[16:19] <hispeed67> 4 drive doesn't look *that* bad...
[16:19] <hispeed67> considering i generally get 8-10mb/sec on single drive.
[16:25] <hispeed67> that raid looks like fun. have sdb1 for /home, it's a 40G drive. ima raid the 4 16G's and use for backup of /home :)
[16:31] <hispeed67> when i use apt-get install is there any way to specify where apt-get d/l's the files to?
[16:44] <BrianH> Anyone know if there's a fix yet for system-config-kickstart on 13.10?
[16:45] <BrianH> Or any alternatives?
[16:50] <BrianH> The only alternative I have is to use an older release in a VM to generate the cfg files and run a lamp stack.
[16:53] <sarnold> hispeed67: what problem are you trying to solve? (I ask because normally people are quite content to let apt-get do whatever it does and magically have working packages ten seconds later...)
[17:02] <adam_g> zul, did heat + ceilometer ever get acked for MRE?
[17:03] <zul> adam_g:  yep
[17:14] <raub> If I want to allow rsylog rhelp traffic, how do I specify the protocol in iptables? I know it is not upd, but what is it?
[17:14] <hispeed67> sarnold: not a problem per-se, but i wind up installing multiple time before i get everything just right and would like to point apt-get to the pkgs i already d/l'ed instead of keep d/l'ing 100's of megs
[17:15] <hispeed67> so far, 12.04 server install 4 times, on the 5th time.. only found my wlan0 on install #2... :(
[17:15] <hispeed67> hoping it finds it on the 5th time...
[17:16] <hispeed67> during install, it finds eth0 and wlan0 but doesn't locate/find my ssid/router
[17:16] <sarnold> hispeed67: apt keeps downloaded .deb files in /var/cache/apt/archives/  -- which is handy to know if you ever need to manually rollback a bad package update, you can often find a handful of previous versions in that directory
[17:17] <hispeed67> that works, long as it keeps the .deb file, i can cp the .deb file to a flash drive so i dont have to redownload.. :)
[17:17] <sarnold> hispeed67: if you're re-installing machines all the time, you may wish to use something like apt-cacher-ng or squid-deb-proxy
[17:19] <hispeed67> just trying to get 1 machine *as i like it*.. :)
[17:19] <hispeed67> from home, 40Mbit connection..
[17:19] <sarnold> ah hehe :)
[17:19] <med_> jamespage, et al: Do you do any testing (over and above the built-in testing during packaging) for openvswitch source package (prior to releasing/pushing OVS)?
[17:21] <zul> jamespage/adam_g: new pbr uploaded for trusty
[17:23] <jamespage> med_, well it gets tested as part of the neutron topology testing we do
[17:23] <jamespage> med_, and the package has dep-8 tests that exercise the dkms module and the userspace daemons for switch
[17:23] <med_> before it gets pushed
[17:24] <med_> nod, I saw the userspace tests
[17:24] <hispeed67> the 1 time the wlan0 worked, i did the apt-get install ubuntu-desktop (or whatever) and d/l'ed 500M's, gonna have to do it again..
[17:24] <jamespage> med_, nothing pre-upload other than the unit testing that run as part of package build
[17:25] <med_> thanks jamespage
[17:26] <hispeed67> what do you guys think is faster, cd-rom install or flash drive install?
[17:27] <justizin> hispeed67: flash drive install should be faster not only on raw io, but it will save you the walk to a museum
[17:28] <sarnold> depends heavily on the flash drive, I think; usb1.1 will probably be slower than cd-rom but a usb 2.0 stick can probably out-pace a CD
[17:28] <justizin> sarnold: if it were raw sequential, which it's not, i think a usb stick will always beat a CD
[17:29] <justizin> it basically installs a bunch of .deb files in a certain order based on dependencies and all sorts of other stuff, it's almost guaranteed to be mostly random seeks followed by brief sequential reads, and that's about as worst-case as you can get for a medium that spins
[17:29] <justizin> anyway that's my $0.02, i haven't actually used anything but a net installer in like ten years. ;d
[17:30] <sarnold> justizin: heh, good point, I don't know if any effort has been made to put the debs into an "install order" on the disc images.
[17:31] <justizin> it wouldn't be much worth it, if you have to install more than once or twice per distro release, it makes far more sense to mirror locally (or at least throw up a squid cache)
[17:31] <justizin> you can net install against a squid cache in like 5 min
[17:32] <hispeed67> is there a net installer for ubuntu 12.04 lts?
[17:32] <hispeed67> cause, im definitely down with a net installer...
[17:32] <justizin> yeah there should always be
[17:33] <justizin> i usually put it on a usb stick, it's just a far smaller image than the full installer
[17:33] <justizin> (it's also handy to netboot)
[17:33] <sarnold> this looks like a decent guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/i386/install-tftp.html
[17:33] <justizin> you can also just boot a usb stick to like a 16MB image that installs over the web
[17:34] <sarnold> yeah, I quite like those "mini install images" that just get you to a point where you can run apt-get install for whatever else you need. :) hehe
[17:34] <Patero-ng> hey i have a question how much does it take to mkfs.ntfs or format a 4gb pendrive is taking like 5min and is just on 10% is this normal hello
[17:34] <hispeed67> ewe, prefer justizin's choice.. i have a 12.04 on a 16G usb stick.. yea, a mini-install image would be cool, not wanting to setup a tftp/bootp
[17:34]  * justizin is searching for an image
[17:35] <justizin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD <- ignore everything that says 'CD' in this wiki page. ;)
[17:36] <justizin> and i think there's an app that creates a usb for you.. there are so many ways to create an installer it's become labyrinthine
[17:36] <justizin> which i almost definitely spelled wrong
[17:37] <sarnold> I'd stay away from the gtk-image-creator or whatever it was, it seems beyond broken. the only advantage it had over 'dd' (gui aside) is that it could make a storage space on the stick for persistent storage. kinda neat, but the tool as a whole seems pretty broken for those who try it :(
[17:37] <hispeed67> i use the netboot thingy.
[17:38] <hispeed67> using windoze machine to make the iso for the linux boxen
[17:38] <hispeed67> unetbootin
[17:40] <hispeed67> im prolly not doing this the best way. system is installed, but not seeing my wlan0 adapter..  keep re-installing waiting for it to see it. 5th install, saw it on the 2nd install, but i screwed up my X driver, now im on 5th install trying to get wlan0 to work.
[17:53] <med_> jamespage, another question: precise-proposed has OVS 1.4.6 (and it's been there for a while). Is there a bug somewhere that needs verified to get that into precise-updates?
[18:03] <hispeed67> these installs are kicking my ass... none are finding my wlan0 card
[18:03] <hispeed67> it's a dlink
[18:03] <hispeed67> 1 install last night did, so i keep trying.. :(
[18:04] <justizin> install over wired, then setup wlan?
[18:04] <hispeed67> im installing from cd now, ill try to fix wlan after install finishes... :( bumming
[18:04] <hispeed67> 48%
[18:06] <sarnold> hispeed67: most of those kinds of issues are far easier to solve once the system is up and running and you've got access to all the archive and its utilities
[18:08] <hispeed67> been a *long* time since i used linux, lots has changed..
[18:09] <hispeed67> used to be able to use ifconfig and if-up, not even sure what tools are available nowadays.. <g>
[18:12] <sarnold> hispeed67: ifconfig and ifup are still there; 'ip' provides more features, but the debian-based config files don't make it easy to get to them all..
[18:13] <hispeed67> quit doing heavy duty unix stuff in 99
[18:14] <hispeed67> played with it a lot, but nothing that i *had* to make work..
[18:14] <hispeed67> etc/init.d has changed too..
[18:14] <hispeed67> runlevels aren't the same either.
[18:15] <hispeed67> lotta relearning to do.. i should prolly be in a general-chat room..
[18:16] <hispeed67> sarnold: whats  ip? iptables???
[18:18] <sarnold> hispeed67: 'ip' is the 'new' interface to manage everything that used to be done by route and ifconfig -- it's got more features (ability to set multiple IP addresses per device without needing silly "alias" devices)
[18:20] <hispeed67> ok, system installed, rebooted. only have lo interface...
[18:23] <sarnold> hispeed67: what does lspci -k show for your NIC and your wlan card?
[18:25] <hispeed67> atheros..
[18:25] <hispeed67> sis for eth0, atheros for wlan
[18:26] <hispeed67> sis900 and ath5k
[18:27] <hispeed67> i connected the sis900 (i.e. plugged in the net cable)
[18:27] <hispeed67> still only seeing lo though
[18:27] <sarnold> hispeed67: and does 'ip link show' and 'ifconfig -a' show anything? how about 'iwconfig -a'?
[18:28] <hispeed67> ip link show lists lo, eth0 and wlan0
[18:29] <hispeed67> so does ifconfig -a (but with no ip addy info)
[18:29] <hispeed67> iwconfig also shows all 3 if's
[18:29] <hispeed67> so, the kernel sees the if's then..
[18:30] <hispeed67> they just aren't configured???
[18:34] <hispeed67> ifup wlan0 and ifup eth0 give error unknown interface wlan0=wlan0
[18:35] <hispeed67> sarnold: you still here?
[18:35] <sarnold> hispeed67: does your /etc/network/interfaces look sane?
[18:36] <hispeed67> only shows lo
[18:36] <hispeed67> no eth0 or wlan0 in it.
[18:41] <hispeed67> should i add eth0 and wlan0 to it?
[18:42] <sarnold> hispeed67: depends; if you're building a server, you'll probably want to assign static IPs, and /etc/network/interfaces is the place to do it. if you're doing a desktop, it'll be managed by networkmanager, and then your /etc/network/interfaces will have very little in it..
[18:44] <hispeed67> i can go either way with it. it's a home/development server
[18:45] <hispeed67> going to be a webserver/forum server
[18:47] <sarnold> static is nice but you've got to poke out a hole for the IP range from your router's DHCP range
[18:49] <hispeed67> i only have like 12 ip's being handed out (printers, phones, tablets, laptops and desktops) so i could just use an upper ip (i.e. 24.211.120.232) which is never dhcp'ed
[18:50] <sarnold> funny thing abou addresses which are "never" handed out ...
[18:50] <sarnold> they eventually do get handed out :) hehe
[18:50] <sarnold> it's worth picking a part of your range to block out for static; either everything about 127 or above 200 or whatever is easy for you to remeber.
[18:51] <hispeed67> router only dhcp 0-100, so i could use 101+
[18:52] <hispeed67> just set to dhcp 125 ip's, so 128+ should be fine for me.
[18:54] <hispeed67> router also has static ip pool mapped to mac addy
[18:57] <sarnold> oh nice, you're on the ball then :) hehe
[18:57] <hispeed67> i can figure out the ip specific stuff later, if i could just get wlan0 (or, even eth0 now) working.. :)
[18:58] <sarnold> hispeed67: try using iwconfig to associate with an essid..
[18:58] <hispeed67> rebooting another linux i have on a flash drive and see if it findsd it
[18:58] <sarnold> hispeed67: off for a bit, good luck, have fun :)
[18:59] <hispeed67> doh.. damn.
[19:05] <jamespage> med_, yep - there is
[19:05] <jamespage> its on my todo list
[19:05] <jamespage> med_, but if you could deploy and test with it +1000
[19:07] <hallyn> CHECK IT OUT!  4-line patch to xserver-xorg-video-qxl enables using spice xserver standalone like a vncserver - i.e. for contaienrs
[19:07] <hallyn> stgraber: ^
[19:07] <med_> jamespage, cool.
[19:08] <stgraber> hallyn: nice!
[19:08] <hallyn> stgraber: the two new debps are in main, so there's no reason we can't do this for trusty
[19:08] <hallyn> now, who babysits those packages these days :)
[19:27] <vila> hi guys, what can cause 'lxc_container: command get_cgroup failed to receive response'  ?
[19:28] <vila> the context is qa-radeon-7750 in the ci lab using otto, has been re-installed from scratch, I probably missed some bit of the config
[19:29] <vila> did I mention trusty ? ;)
[19:29] <vila> I have another host, also running trusty that is not experiencing the issue and ca be used as a reference but I don't know *where* to look
[19:32] <vila> stgraber: ^ ?
[19:33] <stgraber> vila: can you give me the IP?
[19:34] <vila> stgraber: 10.97.2.156
[19:35] <vila> stgraber: the container is named trusty-otto
[19:36] <stgraber> lxc-start: Error setting memory.memsw.limit_in_bytes to 4G for trusty-otto
[19:37] <vila> stgraber: hold on, that the last bit I try
[19:37] <vila> tried
[19:38] <vila> stgraber: try again
[19:38] <stgraber> lxc-start: Error setting memory.memsw.limit_in_bytes to 2560M for trusty-otto
[19:38] <vila> stgraber: yeah, not sure if otto doesn't do some tricks before calling lxc-start
[19:39] <stgraber> 3530  open("/sys/fs/cgroup/memory/lxc/trusty-otto/memory.memsw.limit_in_bytes", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC|O_CLOEXEC, 0666) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied)
[19:39] <vila> stgraber: sudo su - jenkins and then sudo bin/otto -d start trusty-otto
[19:40] <vila> stgraber: ^ is what I use
[19:40] <stgraber> vila: is the memory limit something new in your setup?
[19:41] <vila> stgraber: it was 4G before the re-install, I just reverted it. So not really new
[19:42] <stgraber> ok, the failure is because LXC is getting permission denied when trying to write the new memory limit, not sure why that's happening though
[19:43] <vila> stgraber: here is the doc I'm following http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~otto-dev/otto/trunk/view/head:/doc/README
[19:44] <vila> stgraber: the only bit I didn't do is the CONFIG_MEMCG_SWAP_ENABLED=Y
[19:44] <vila> stgraber: nor the apport one but we shouldn't care for now
[19:49] <stgraber> vila: the swap limit seems to be the problem
[19:50] <vila> stgraber: memsw.limit_in_bytes ?
[19:50] <stgraber> yep
[19:52] <stgraber> vila: machine will reboot twice
[19:52] <vila> stgraber: what did you do ? (I'm trying to document this re-install)
[19:53] <stgraber> vila: adding the missing swapaccount kernel parameter
[19:53] <stgraber> it's already in your doc
[19:53] <vila> stgraber: excuse my ignorance but I couldn't decipher that part, what should be changed and where ?
[19:54] <stgraber> vila: right, that did it, everything works fine now
[19:54] <stgraber> root@qa-radeon-7750:~# grep swapac /etc/default/grub
[19:54] <stgraber> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet swapaccount=1"
[19:54] <stgraber> sudo update-grub
[19:54] <stgraber> sudo reboot
[19:54] <vila> ack
[20:16] <vila> stgraber: so swapaccount is really only needed if/when lxc want enforce memory limits (did I get that right ? Never had to do that elsewhere)
[20:16] <vila> *to enforce
[20:16] <stgraber> vila: correct, you need that option if you want to use the swap memory restrictions
[20:17] <vila> stgraber: ok, makes sense, will need to discuss if we really want to do that given that the host is dedicated to otto...
[20:17] <vila> stgraber: anyway, thanks again, for the fish and the fishing ;)
[20:32] <lt-columbo> stgraber: one more question, sir ? Why isn't this parameter set to 1 by default ?
[20:32] <stgraber> lt-columbo: probably because of some memory or performance impact, you'd have to ask a kernel developer
[20:32] <hallyn> stgraber: d'oh.  I just realized I left /var/cache/lxc as is.
[20:32] <hallyn> <deep sigh>
[20:32] <hallyn> stgraber: oh, you've not yet accepted that merge request?
[20:33] <stgraber> hallyn: no, I just commented in it
[20:33] <vila> stgraber: ok, not something you care more than that yourself ?
[20:33] <stgraber> vila: nope, most of my machines don't have swap ;)
[20:33] <hallyn> stgraber: oh lemme go check.  then i can fix this as well.
[20:33] <vila> stgraber: right, can't think why we want swap for a container...
[20:34] <vila> stgraber: anyway, I won't bother you more with that ;)
[20:45] <hallyn> stgraber: proposal updated
[20:45] <hallyn> happy i didn't just push to the archive
[20:45] <hallyn> "I had a feeling" it would pay off
[20:46] <hallyn> hm, maybe i should run my nameserver to redirect plain decimal numbers to pad.lv/$n
[21:10] <Patero-ng> I just found out that formatting a pendrive with fat32 is a lot faster then formatting it with ntfs
[21:21] <sarnold> Patero-ng: heh, yeah, FAT just writes a quick table at the front of the filesystem and ignores all the data blocks. very quick. :)
[21:25] <Patero-ng> sarnold: why can't ntfs do the same
[21:27] <sarnold> Patero-ng: it has to do with the on-disk layout of filesystem datastructures; FAT is extremely simple, NTFS is not. :)
[21:29] <Patero-ng> sarnold: u rock
[21:29] <sarnold> \m/
[22:03] <gaughen> query roaksoax
[22:20] <gyre007> guys, is it wrong thinking that Ubuntu 12.04 doesn't implement ns ant net_cls subystems ? or is just lssubsys utility NOT returning them ?
[22:21] <hispeed76> ive installed pangolin precise (12.04.3) and my sis eth0 is working, but the wireless is not..
[22:21] <hispeed76> also, X doesnt work, crashes to cli
[22:23] <hispeed76> argh, i been trying to get this working since last night.
[22:23] <hispeed76> i dont even know what to do next..... please, somebody
[22:25] <sarnold> hispeed76: do you get any error messages in dmesg that might indicate the problem with the wireless? do you get any error messages in /var/log/Xorg* that might indicate the error with the graphics?
[22:26] <hispeed67> i finally have 12.04.3 server reinstalled. still no wlan0, but eth0 is working. no X, crashes out to cli... using neauveau (sp?) have fx5200 card.
[22:26] <hispeed67> anybody, please help.. im  burning out on this.
[22:26] <sarnold> hispeed67: do you get any error messages in dmesg that might indicate the problem with the wireless? do you get any error messages in /var/log/Xorg* that might indicate the error with the graphics?
[22:27] <hispeed67> dmesg shows hundreds of cache errors on nouveau
[22:30] <hispeed67> shows ath5k registered as phy0
[22:30] <hispeed67> ill write off X, work on that later..
[22:30] <hispeed67> but, this wireless is kinda important
[22:32] <hispeed67> sarnold that is pretty much all i see about ath
[22:32] <hispeed67> a registered and a chip found line..
[22:34] <hispeed67> 5 re-install, installing doesn't fix it...
[22:34] <hispeed67> 5th
[22:34] <sarnold> hispeed67: so, the module is loaded, iwconfig sees it, ifconfig sees it, what happens when you try to associate it with an essid?
[22:35] <hispeed67> iwconfig sees it, ifconfig does *not*
[22:37] <hispeed67> ifconfig doesn't show it, ifconfig wlan0 does. i take that back
[22:39] <hispeed67> so does ifconfig -a
[22:39] <hispeed67> i giving up..
[22:39] <hispeed67> not worth it.. too hard.
[22:40] <sarnold> hispeed67: what happened when you tried to associate the wlan device with a wireless network using iwconfig?
[22:40] <hispeed67> i dont know how to do that..
[22:41] <sarnold> hispeed67: iwconfig wlan0 essid network-name-here
[22:41] <hispeed67> i did that..
[22:42] <hispeed67> then when i did, then did iwconfig it shows the essid in the info
[22:42] <sarnold> hispeed67: .. and does it show an Access Point MAC?
[22:43] <hispeed67> rebooted into windows, shit just works...this sucks (not linux, my inability to get it to work)
[22:43] <hispeed67> rebooting again
[22:48] <hispeed67> now, when i type iwconfig wlan0 essid linda <enter>
[22:48] <hispeed67> i get error, operation not permitted
[22:48] <sarnold> hispeed67: are you running that command as root or via sudo?
[22:48] <sarnold> changing network configuration requires administrative privileges
[22:48] <sarnold> (which is why desktop people use network-manager -- it runs with privileges and provides a handy drop-down box for people..)
[22:49] <hispeed67> doh, see, im just burning out, hadnt sudoed yet..
[22:50] <hispeed67> ok, shows essid linda, access-point not associated
[22:52] <hispeed67> now what?
[22:53] <sarnold> hispeed67: do you need to enable WEP or WPA2?
[22:53] <hispeed67> wpa2
[22:53] <hispeed67> psk
[22:53] <sarnold> (I can't recall if these would prevent association with an AP or not..)
[22:53] <hispeed67> guess it is easier to just re-install until it works
[22:54] <sarnold> hispeed67: do you have the wpasupplicant package installed? that may be necessary..
[22:54] <sarnold> oof, not my first choice. the installer is such a stripped-down environment it's hard to do anything, and it takes for bloody ever compared to just changing settings...
[22:54] <hispeed67> it is installed
[22:55] <hispeed67> wpasupplicant that is
[22:56] <hispeed67> i can turn off wpa/psk on the router and make the router wide open..
[22:56] <hispeed67> but, that will break the other 12 devices that are using passwords
[22:56] <sarnold> hispeed67: I've not set that up manually; check the wpa_supplicant manpage for more details about it.
[22:56] <sarnold> heh, that's not fun :/
[22:57] <hispeed67> prolly faster than getting this to work
[22:59] <hispeed67> wanna hear some crazy ass shit.. did "ifconfig wlan0 192.168.0.112 192.168.0.1"<enter> and now its working
[22:59] <hispeed67> wtf
[22:59] <hispeed67> well, can ping router after that.. dns isn't working..
[23:00] <hispeed67> prolly dhclient
[23:00] <hispeed67> or something
[23:00] <sarnold> dns will require setting up /etc/resolv.conf correctly
[23:01] <hispeed67> it would work if i got the ip from the router, instead of just picking an ip
[23:01] <hispeed67> never asked password for the wireless network anywhere..
[23:01] <hispeed67> idk if it's working..
[23:03] <hispeed67> can ping router and get response, but when i ping the ip address for www.google.com i get destination host unreachable
[23:03] <hispeed67> im burned out..
[23:03] <sarnold> you can try pinging other IPs on the network; you don't need DNS for that, and it'll show if the routing is configured correctly
[23:03] <sarnold> troubleshooting when burned out is definitely no fun
[23:03] <hispeed67> i turned it off.. i *really* wanted to use 12.04.3 lts, but not anymore..
[23:04] <hispeed67> ima try openbsd or something...old hardware, shouldn't have the problems it did
[23:04] <sarnold> does openbsd still do the sh-based installer?
[23:04] <sarnold> I always kinda liked that thing, horrible though it was.. :)
[23:05] <hispeed67> i think so.. im hoping to pull down all source and compile.. i think it still uses tarballs..
[23:05] <hispeed67> i might try slackware
[23:06] <sarnold> slackware was how I learned how to do linux; _zero_ help from the thing. If you wanted something configured, you had to configure it by hand. it was great then, but got a bit tiring. :) hehe
[23:06] <hispeed67> i started with slack too..
[23:07] <hispeed67> kernel .99 for longest time
[23:07] <hispeed67> burning slack 14.0 now