[06:57] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:19] <nixtux> Morning
[08:36] <mungbean_> my wheely bins didn't even blow over
[08:36] <mungbean_> and the trains are cancelled until after 9am
[08:36] <MooDoo> mungbean_: one of mine did last night, but I moved it so it wouldn't
[08:37] <mungbean_> i put mine out on the street for collection, half expected to find it embedded in car windscreen
[08:37] <diplo_> Ripped the lock off my back gate and a fence panel, was a tad blowy
[08:55] <AlanBell> snapped the bolt on my gate, and knocked a few fence pannels down
[09:02] <mungbean_> no trains until 10am now
[09:11] <popey> No damage here
[09:25] <shauno> no damage here, just a whole lot of sideways water
[09:26] <MooDoo> nothing up hear either, just a bit rainy.
[09:27] <mungbean_> it was really going some at 6am
[09:27] <mungbean_> thought the trees were gonna go over
[09:27] <gordonjcp> it was pretty wet here
[09:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> Well, that's been a good weekend for sleep. NOT.
[09:33] <AlanBell> got all your trees still TheOpenSourcerer?
[09:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yesterday on in-laws pull out sofa bed - horrendously uncomfortable.
[09:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> Tonight woke up about 3am and didn;t go back to sleep/
[09:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning AlanBell
[09:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yes, it would appear so.
[09:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> I did think one looked decidedly unstable around 5am but it held up.
[09:34] <AlanBell> I have just come in from fixing the back gate shut
[09:34] <SuperMatt> wearing my saucy shirt today \o/
[09:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> How was the wedding of the decade?
[09:35] <AlanBell> very good
[09:35]  * TheOpenSourcerer has yet to venture down the footpath to see if the wobbly fence is still there or not.
[09:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> cool.
[09:39] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Animation Day! :-D
[09:40] <SuperMatt> ooh, I like animation
[09:42] <JamesTait> Me too, but I'mpretty useless at it.
[09:43] <JamesTait> Here is my contribution; it's roughly 15 years old: http://ubuntuone.com/11S3Ddg1gWb2QgCacXB4jP
[09:45] <Myrtti> OH MY GAWD, it's a bright light phenomena! What is this sorcery, have Witches of Cambridgeshire done their magic?
[09:45] <Myrtti> I thought it was supposed to be miserable whole day!
[09:45] <SuperMatt> so, who here is skipping work today?
[09:45] <popey> \o/ WFH
[09:46] <mungbean_> my train service start time has gone from 9->10->12
[09:46] <mungbean_> so game over regarding going in
[09:46] <mungbean_> don't have my work laptop though
[09:46] <mungbean_> and i'm gonna find it hard to reseat that 10gb card that aint working
[09:47] <AlanBell> I might go to the office later, I was all prepared for working from home, but it looks OK out now
[09:47] <JamesTait> How are we all coping with the storm?  It's just been really rainy here.
[09:47] <JamesTait> (Where "here" is Derby).
[10:02] <BigRedS> London's largely impervious to weather
[10:02] <BigRedS> so we're fine here
[10:02] <BigRedS> except the tube's down
[10:05] <mungbean_> getting iggle piggle sohved in my face
[10:05] <mungbean_> quite hard to work from home when unprepared
[10:05] <jussi> hehe
[10:06] <jussi> Working from home can be really nice though :)
[10:06] <mungbean_> not when there's no food
[10:07] <jussi> mungbean_: lack of food certainly is a bit of a downer
[10:07] <popey> Half term too
[10:07] <mungbean_> and i had been intending to buy anniversary present on way to work
[10:07] <jussi> ouch
[10:07] <mungbean_> for tomorrow
[10:08] <Myrtti> I had to resort to porridge as there's no other bread than Finnish rye and I'm not wasting it on my own breakfast
[10:08]  * popey had eggs
[10:08] <Myrtti> this is unrelated to the weather tho
[10:08] <Myrtti> ooh, it's the light phenomena again
[10:08] <jussi> I had porridge and it was nice :)
[10:08] <jussi> with Butter :D
[10:09] <jussi> given though, I have full access to food and shops and stuff
[10:09] <jussi> mungbean_: are you Uk side again ?
[10:09] <jussi> err
[10:09] <jussi> Myrtti: ^^
[10:09] <Myrtti> yeah.
[10:14] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:15] <BigRedS> Goood Morning!
[10:17] <brobostigon> good morning BigRedS
[10:21] <BigRedS> morning brobostigon! How's things?
[10:22] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:22] <brobostigon> BigRedS: my eczema is abit upside down, otherwise fine, trying arrange a night out with my fiance for friday. and you?
[10:22] <brobostigon> morning czajkowski
[10:24] <mungbean_> how was the bigcalm wedding?
[10:24] <BigRedS> brobostigon: yeah, not bad. Bit miffed by the lack of exciting weather this morning
[10:24] <mungbean_> who went? popey ?
[10:26] <brobostigon> BigRedS: yes, the weather came and gone quickly enough here, that i slept through it.
[10:41] <mungbean_> anyone know of a good remote access solution for providing 2 factor auth to remote desktops i.e. a TS broker service?
[10:42] <brobostigon> openvpn, using yubikey for 2factor auth. ?
[10:43] <mungbean_> not quite as extensive as a vpn
[10:44] <mungbean_> just for providing 2 factor aut gateway to various terminal servers securely
[10:45] <diplo> We used id cards, can't remember what they're called now..
[10:47] <mungbean_> MS do a TS gateway, but relying on MS VM for security scares me
[10:49] <diplo> heh, I wouldn't either, but vpn + smart cards worked for us
[10:50] <mungbean_> vpn not an option given the users
[10:50] <mungbean_> cannot require installation of clients
[10:51] <diplo> :/
[10:51] <diplo> We paired our cisco with the ad to allow / disable vpn but you would still need to setup login details on each machine I guess
[10:57] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:57] <bashrc> morning
[11:03] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[11:11] <davmor2> so is everyones homes intact after the horrific storms?
[11:12] <MooDoo> storm?  we've had a storm?
[11:12] <MooDoo> in all seriousness, we weren't affected, but I've seem some horrific images of people that have :(
[11:20] <davmor2> MooDoo: I'm with you hence checking is everyone else was alright especially those down south and on the cost by all accounts
[11:23] <BigRedS> Oh, all I've seen is a broken crane. Not sure I want to look for more photos :(
[11:27] <mungbean_> besides gumtree and ebay, where would people flog stolen stuff online?
[11:27] <SuperMatt> bash question: I know I can use && to run a command if the previous command exits with status 0, but is there an alternative for exit status > 0?
[11:28] <mungbean_> friend had some stuff nicked
[11:28] <SuperMatt> mungbean_: preloved
[11:28]  * TheOpenSourcerer just went out to check the fencing - old rickety fence OK. One garden trellis failed. Looks like the posts were rotten
[11:29] <mungbean_> ta SuperMatt
[11:29] <mungbean_> i suspect the stuff won't surface online
[11:29] <davmor2> SuperMatt: I think there is ; let me double check
[11:29] <BigRedS> mungbean_: anything in particular?
[11:29] <BigRedS> I'd keep an eye on relevant classifieds; bicycles in London go to Brick Lane
[11:30] <davmor2> SuperMatt: sorry it's ||
[11:31] <davmor2> SuperMatt: http://askubuntu.com/questions/334994/which-one-is-better-using-or-to-execute-multiple-commands-in-one-line
[11:32] <BigRedS> || is 'or'; so  `X || Y` reads as "if X returns true, do Y"
[11:32] <mungbean_> stuff like hohner b2 bass guitar
[11:32] <SuperMatt> davmor2: thanks
[11:32] <BigRedS> no, it reads as "Do X and if that isn't true, do Y"
[11:32] <BigRedS> Argh. /me gets some coffee
[11:32] <mungbean_> i imagine a burglar almost never sells direct
[11:33] <SuperMatt> boot sales might be good
[11:33] <mungbean_> true
[11:33] <davmor2> BigRedS: no it just does X regardless of X's output do Y after
[11:33] <SuperMatt> but chances are they've already given it to a place like cash converters
[11:33] <BigRedS> mungbean_: yeah, when I was burgled a while back they found some of my stuff in a house that seemed to have been used as a depot for local thieves
[11:33] <BigRedS> davmor2: yeah
[11:33] <BigRedS> davmor2: hang on, no, that's ;
[11:34] <BigRedS> X ; Y will do Y whatever X says
[11:34] <davmor2> BigRedS: I know it's one of them
[11:34] <BigRedS> X || Y will do Y if X fails (returns >0)
[11:34] <davmor2> BigRedS: that ask ubuntu page does a pretty good explanation
[11:34] <BigRedS> X && Y will do Y if X succeeds (returns 0)
[11:34] <BigRedS> davmor2: yeah, probably better than I can squeeze into IRC :)
[11:35] <BigRedS> but the bit I meant to get across is that these are 'and' and 'or' and so only incidentally ways to control when to run which command
[11:35] <BigRedS> they're not bash syntax so much as conventions that almost everybody uses
[11:36] <BigRedS> and you can only determine if two things are true by testing both of them, but you can tell that only one is ('or') as soon as one of them has suceeded, without bothering to test the second
[13:22] <AlanBell> the Libertus Solutions global headquarters appears to have survived the storm without incident
[13:22] <brobostigon> woop
[13:27] <jussi> aww, thats no fun! :P :P
[13:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> The heavens appear to have just opened
[13:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> And closed again!
[13:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> And open again!
[13:30] <popey> WEATHER UPDATE!
[13:33] <jussi> hehe
[13:33] <jussi> popey: Im getting worried...
[13:34] <jussi> Nothing from DX yet :/
[13:35] <popey> heh
[13:35] <popey> colour me unsurprised
[13:36] <GentileBen> "Libertus Solutions global headquarters" <-- you mean your caravan, AlanBell?
[13:44] <Seeker`> It was sunny when I left work to walk to the car. I looked like I had been swimming 3 mins later when I got to the car
[13:45] <Seeker`> that escalated quickly
[13:47] <mungbean_> could this be the most expensive storm ever? one wheelie bin blew over and millions are unable to travel to work.
[13:47] <GentileBen> mungbean_: I saw giant plant pots shattered on my abortive trip to work today.
[13:47] <dwatkins> a tree went through the cab of a train
[13:47] <GentileBen> Had to turn back when my umbrella was blown inside-out.
[13:48] <mgdm> eh? :)
[13:48] <GentileBen> dwatkins, an improvement for First Capital Connect.
[13:48] <GentileBen> FCC basically cancelled every train on the Midlands line.
[13:48] <mgdm> If I phoned in to work that I wasn't coming in because my umbrella was broken I'd get laughed at
[13:48] <mungbean_> FCC and GA and SWT cancelled every train in the south east too
[13:49] <GentileBen> mgdm: I told them I'd been blown into Surrey.
[13:49] <mgdm> heh
[13:49] <mungbean_> the upside is you can have a post-lunch snooze in your own bed in your lunch hour
[13:49] <mungbean_> and be properly productive in the afternoon
[13:49] <directhex> chiltern cancelled all trains
[13:49] <GentileBen> I turned back when, after standing on the platform for 10 minutes, I realised something was afoot, as I was the only person on the platform.
[13:49] <mungbean_> i get all my news off facebook
[13:50] <GentileBen> I find working from home pretty difficult.
[13:50] <GentileBen> I'm doing documentation today.
[13:50] <mungbean_> fortunately so does my wife and she read something on her facebook about trains being down
[13:50] <GentileBen> This is even worse than when people get hit by trains.
[13:50] <GentileBen> It's that bad.
[13:51] <GentileBen> As an aside, I've noticed people getting hit by trains more often in these months vs earlier in the year.
[13:51] <mungbean_> i prefer BST than GMT
[13:51] <popey> \o/ UTC
[13:51] <GentileBen> I prefer GMT+2.
[13:51] <mungbean_> nobody needs daylight at 6am
[13:51] <GentileBen> We should man the fuck up and move to Berlin Time.
[13:51] <mungbean_> everybody needs daylight at 4.30pm
[13:51] <GentileBen> mungbean_, the dumbass Scots do.
[13:52] <GentileBen> Takes an hour later for their sunrise.
[13:52] <mungbean_> scots can do their own thing
[13:52] <GentileBen> mungbean_, I hope so.
[13:52]  * mgdm glares at GentileBen 
[13:52] <GentileBen> It's going to be hilarious if the Scots vote for independence....I sincerely hope we move to CET aka GMT+2.
[13:52] <GentileBen> They're going to have to move with us, for business reasons.
[13:52] <GentileBen> And hey, I hope they enjoy their 10am sunrises.
[13:53] <mungbean_> any govt that actually does the permanent bst change will get my vote
[13:53] <GentileBen> When will people learn? We need daylight in the evenings, not mornings.
[13:53] <mungbean_> they mooted it couple of years back, prompting a flurry of bbc articles and radio 4 chin stroking
[13:54] <GentileBen> They tried it in the 70s didn't they?:
[13:54] <GentileBen> They tried being on BST all year.
[13:54] <GentileBen> I'm advocating DST but with BST or BST+1.
[13:54] <popey> \o/ DBS check nearly complete
[13:54] <GentileBen> So basically our clocks go forward one hour.
[13:54] <mgdm> popey: You're getting an Aston Martin...?
[13:54] <popey> heh, no
[13:55] <popey> CRB (as was) check
[13:55] <mgdm> ahh
[13:55] <mgdm> didn't know they'd renamed it
[13:55] <mungbean_> what are you doing with children?
[13:55] <popey> yeah, much better now
[13:55] <mgdm> CodeClub related?
[13:55] <GentileBen> Did they rename it?
[13:55] <popey> can use one check for multiple locations
[13:55] <popey> and have it renewed automagically
[13:55] <popey> yes
[13:55] <popey> and yes
[13:55] <popey> and codeclub
[13:55] <GentileBen> popey they'd been claiming that for years.
[13:55] <GentileBen> Ever since Ian Huntley.
[13:55] <popey> its also much faster
[13:55] <popey> my application was received 4 days ago, and it's already nearly done
[13:56] <mungbean> wow, how much? £30?
[13:56] <popey> free via codeclub
[13:56] <mungbean> somebody pays
[13:56] <popey> free to me via codeclub
[13:56] <GentileBen> popey, my "he's not a paedophile" certificate ran out a year or so ago.
[13:56] <popey> we all pay, it's gov funded
[13:56] <popey> oh noes, GentileBen is now a paedicurist!
[13:56] <GentileBen> I had to do an Enhanced CRB.
[13:56] <mungbean> is codeclub a nationwide thing?
[13:57] <popey> yes
[13:57] <popey> global now
[13:57] <GentileBen> It's amazing the lengths you have to go to if you want little girls to sit on your lap.
[13:57] <popey> CodeClub = uk
[13:57] <popey> CodeClub World = global
[13:57] <GentileBen> Another example of the namby-pampy wet nanny state PC brigade.
[13:57] <popey> Well indeed.
[13:58] <GentileBen> Didn't the Torycunts want to make anybody who worked with kids get a CRB? Or was that ZaNuLieBore?
[13:58] <popey> ahem
[13:58] <popey> language please GentileBen
[13:58] <GentileBen> Sorry popey.
[13:59] <GentileBen> *New Labour
[14:04] <mungbean> there's a codeclub about 5 miles away
[14:32] <DJones> Hmmh, 2 burned out vans in less than a week, /me wonders whether we've got an arsonist on the payroll
[14:32] <mgdm> o_O
[14:34] <DJones> Even stranger, one at a depot, one outside drivers house at the weekend, 20 miles apart, and both driven by the same employee (in terms of his old van, and his new replacement van)
[14:35] <penguin42> DJones: Or a faulty van model?
[14:35] <diddledan> DJones: was there anything of value in them?
[14:36] <DJones> Different makes & models of van, filled with truck tyre fitting equipment, equipment probably worth £10k
[14:36] <Seeker`> was the equipment still in the van after it was burnt out?
[14:37] <diddledan> just wondering whether it's a case of theft rather than arson
[14:37] <DJones> As far as I know it was
[14:37] <penguin42> blood stains as well?
[14:37] <DJones> I think the driver may be getting a bit of a grilling at the moment
[14:38] <Seeker`> DJones: you probably shouldn't leave him in the van while it is burning
[14:38] <penguin42> DJones: Well you'd better baste him
[14:38] <DJones> BBQ'd welshman......
[14:38] <diddledan> I like a bit of lamb
[14:39] <diddledan> or would it be mutton?
[14:40] <diddledan> my chrome browser seems unable to resolve any hostnames right now
[14:41] <diddledan> resolving it using dig in the terminal works and then reloading the browser straight after it works fine
[14:44] <BigRedS> diddledan: anything in your hosts file?
[14:44] <diddledan> it's pretty much every site on the web
[14:45] <diddledan> I certainly don't have a hostfile entry for www.hsbc.co.uk
[14:45] <BigRedS> yeah, I don't think there's anything you can stick in there that would break dns that horribly
[14:48] <popey> alan@deep-thought:/tmp/1225910$ env | grep proxy
[14:48] <popey> http_proxy=http://192.168.1.2:3128/
[14:48] <popey> https_proxy=http://192.168.1.2:3128/
[14:48] <popey> oops
[14:48] <popey> sorry
[14:49] <Myrtti> would someone want to buy me some ethernet cable? only 1,195USD/1.5m
[14:49] <diddledan> popey: I think my computer is more powerful than yours - mine is called "earth" :-p
[14:50] <Seeker`> Myrtti: wut?
[14:50] <Myrtti> http://www.audioquest.com/ethernet/diamond
[14:50] <Myrtti> 100% silver
[14:51] <mungbean> monster cable
[14:51] <DJones> I was sort of hoping that the 1.5m meant 1.5 miles
[14:51] <Myrtti> http://www.audiostream.com/content/audioquest-vodka-ethernet-cable-and-diamond-ethernet-cable
[14:51] <diddledan> oic, it's 1k195, not 1point195
[14:52] <Myrtti> nevermind gilded plugs, silver all the way down
[14:56] <SpookyMatt> when will audiophiles realise that digital doesn't degrade (at least on in the same way as analogue). If you really care about your audio quality, just don't freaking use any digital equipment at all
[14:57] <diddledan> SpookyMatt: they also don't seem to appreciate that every transition between materials is going to induce artifacts
[14:58] <daubers> Afternoon peeps
[14:58] <mungbean> i bought a monster cable once
[14:58] <mungbean> needed a 5m cable for my ps2.
[14:59] <mungbean> got sent the wrong one, never got round to swapping it
[14:59] <mungbean> fail
[15:01] <mungbean> thought facebook woulda been more busy today
[15:01] <mungbean> but its the same league of mums with newborns
[15:01] <mungbean> clicking like on every new item
[15:01] <diddledan> o_O
[15:01] <diddledan> is something important happening today then?
[15:01] <mungbean> i know about 10 mums in my feed with kids under 1yr
[15:02] <mungbean> national no work day
[15:02] <mungbean> and work from home day
[15:02] <diddledan> ooh
[15:02] <mungbean> where the train companies sponsor us all to WFH for a day
[15:03] <mungbean> you have to fill in a dumb form to get the sponsor money tohugh..."delay repay" or sumthing
[15:07] <SpookyMatt> https://twitter.com/Dom_Rob/status/394835518368022528 oh great, bomb disposal robot near my office
[15:10] <penguin42> SpookyMatt: Check, you know where you left your bags....
[15:13] <SpookyMatt> My bag is under my desk with me
[15:13] <mungbean> aww wall-e got lost
[15:14] <SpookyMatt> I'm quite tempted to walk down there and see it
[15:14] <SpookyMatt> but effort
[15:14] <SpookyMatt> y'know?
[15:16] <bigcalm[dover]> Good evening peeps :)
[15:16] <mungbean> MartijnVdS: got a reply from the BBC regarding that music track
[15:16] <mgdm> mungbean: what was it?
[15:16] <bigcalm[dover]> Waiting at Dover for a ferry. Sea looks a tad choppy
[15:17] <bigcalm[dover]> Evening? I mean afternoon. Having been awake since 3.30am has warped my sense of time a little
[15:18] <Myrtti> we went to Cambridge on Saturday because I had to collect something from a friend who'd been to US and get some clothes from M&S
[15:18] <mungbean> mgdm: MartijnVdS It was a piece of library music from Justemente. Album: Indietronika Track: Spaceship
[15:19] <Myrtti> queued for about 45 minutes to the shopping centre car park only to find it closed, later found out there was a bomb scare and there had been two controlled explosions earlier
[15:19] <mgdm> mungbean: not on Spotify then :-)
[15:24] <mungbean> mgdm: http://www.echomusic.com.tw/echo/tw/music01_info.jspx?id=4028818a2b67c49d012b6aee91200204&ablumid=4028818a341d5cec0134209c7e66001c
[15:27] <mungbean> mgdm: can listen here: http://www.sakuranotes.jp/Disc5041.html
[15:27] <penguin42> interesting way to leave a company for the last time; I took the stairs where they were doing the evacuation chair training....
[15:28] <popey> MOAR TEA NEEDED!
[15:30] <mungbean> now to find out how to buy it
[15:30] <davmor2> popey: you mean you didn't grab a load of those oggcamp travel mugs and turn them into a massive tea barrel
[15:30] <mungbean> any japanese speakers here?
[15:31] <DJones> mungbean: I've got some Sony speakers at home, does that count?
[15:34] <mungbean> groan
[15:34] <mungbean> looks like its a music library rather than an album to buy
[15:39] <Azelphur> wtf, gmail is dumping youtube notification mails into the spam box
[15:39] <Azelphur> silly gmail.
[15:41] <diddledan> gmail doens't even know google's own emails?!
[15:41] <diddledan> yey for overzealous spambots
[15:42] <diddledan> is it a win that google dumps it's own marketing in the bin along with everyone else?
[15:44] <penguin42> well, it would be wrong for them to discriminate
[15:45] <BigRedS> I wonder if there's some unhealthy rivalry between the YouTube and GMail teams
[15:45] <mgdm> over who can send the most pointless emails?
[15:45] <mgdm> perhaps; I got a pile of "Have you seen $blah on YouTube?" emails this morning that I neither need nor want
[15:46] <mgdm> However, they both lose out to the G+ team for the prize
[15:46] <mgdm> although the "what is your real name?" feature on YouTube deserves a special mention for being particularly irritating and unnecessary
[15:47] <mungbean> doing work on my 5yr old home laptop is not good
[15:47] <mungbean> fan is about to spin off its spindle
[15:54] <mungbean> SpookyMatt: "Spoke to a police officer, he said it was some sort of incendiary device, ie, it could be something highly explosive, does not mean a deliberate bomb though"
[15:54] <SpookyMatt> yeah, I saw that
[15:54] <SpookyMatt> still, it was a bit of excitement for all of 10 seconds
[16:01] <mungbean> another week and my amazon gift voucher balance grows.
[16:01] <mungbean> nothing to spend it on
[16:01] <SpookyMatt> spend it on me
[16:01] <SpookyMatt> lavish me with gifts
[16:01] <mungbean> my wife tried that one
[16:02] <SpookyMatt> dang
[16:02] <SpookyMatt> ok, think about all the things you want your wife to do, and then exchange the vouchers for that
[16:02] <SpookyMatt> note: doesn't have to be anything to do with sexitimes
[16:03] <SpookyMatt> a week without cooking or something
[16:03] <SpookyMatt> I don't know
[16:03] <SpookyMatt> I don't have a wife
[16:03] <mungbean> both of us are too tired to trade favours
[16:05] <SpookyMatt> oh well
[16:05] <SpookyMatt> just save up for something totes awesome
[16:06] <mungbean> a tv
[16:06] <mungbean> only 10% of way there :(
[16:09] <mungbean> wifey received 2 dozen roses for the anniversary though
[16:18] <Seeker`> mungbean: I wonder what a 'device' is. It could just be something like a petrol container?
[16:19] <mungbean> box of swan vestas
[16:24] <penguin42> Seeker`: In the case of the last one we had in Manchester it turned out to be someones laptop in a backpack with scary looking cables
[16:27] <Seeker`> penguin42: how do cables look "scary"? Are they wrapped in bandages like a mummy? Don't have a reflection?
[16:28] <penguin42> Seeker`: Oh you know big and curly with boxes at the end
[16:38] <SpookyMatt> I'll tell you something, I once went to Science Museum lates, and they had us beuild really basic robots. It was essentially a plastic cup upturned, a motor with an odd shaped weight on the end, a couple of wires and a battery pack
[16:38] <SpookyMatt> we then had to decorate it with pipe cleaners, googly eyes, etc
[16:39] <SpookyMatt> when I took it home on the tube, I got some really worried looks
[16:39] <SpookyMatt> it was very inoffensive, but there were just enough people with very little knowledge of circuitry to get them worried
[16:40] <SpookyMatt> one person starts looking worried, everyone else wonders what's up too
[16:57] <dwatkins> the rain has started in Edinburgh, it's rather apocalyptic outside: http://www.eastsidecottages.co.uk/webcam/
[17:06] <penguin42> dwatkins: I went to Edinburgh for the 1st time last week, it certainly can get a heck of a mix of weather in a day can't it?
[17:07] <penguin42> nice city though
[17:09] <penguin42> (train journey from Manc is a bit grim, last hour is  sheep/pine trees/sheep/pine trees....)
[17:09] <mgdm> I did that trip ~3 weeks ago
[17:09] <mgdm> I thought that was the best bit
[17:09] <mgdm> but the weather was not bad that day
[17:10] <penguin42> mgdm: There were some places where the wind turbines were cutting through cloud which was nice - I wish I'd been awake enough to get a picture
[17:11] <mgdm> apparently this is in Denmark: http://i.imgur.com/roIGr1p.jpg
[17:11] <mgdm> the wind turbines make fog
[17:12] <penguin42> oh nice
[17:21] <xnox> James Blunt's Bonfire Heart -> since when did he stop singing in an annoying voice? =)
[17:57] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: cool!
[18:07] <dwatkins> penguin42: yep, it's great fun.
[18:09] <penguin42> dwatkins: Went to the KVM forum
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: I saw some videos from that
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> wery intewesting!
[18:21] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Could you hear any of the audio on them?
[18:22] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: on some
[18:22] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: well, on the ones I tried
[18:22] <penguin42> I think they were going to replace the live stream recordings with better stuff
[18:22] <MartijnVdS> though they are a bit tinny at times
[18:22] <penguin42> ok, that's got to be better than the 1st day stuff - that was useless when I tried to watch it on the 1st day
[18:24] <MartijnVdS> higher quality would not hurt at all
[18:24] <penguin42> oh the 1st day they had mike problems
[18:25] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: ah, I just get the "we only have 3kbps for audio" noise
[18:25] <MartijnVdS> so you can hear what they're saying, but you have to concentrate
[18:26] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Oh no on the ones I was trying to watch they were breaking up multiple times a second - they were initially using bluetooth in a room with about 150 laptops
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> ...
[18:27] <MartijnVdS> Virtualization people, never considering the real-world implications of their choices :P
[18:27] <penguin42> hehe
[18:57] <gayan> Hello
[18:58] <gayan> Can you pls tell me how to install hadoop ubuntu
[19:16] <popey> AlanBell: http://askubuntu.com/a/45257/612 for building rebuilding ubuntu
[19:24] <stevepdp> evening o/
[19:26] <brobostigon> evening stevepdp
[19:45] <AlanBell> popey: I think that is doing something slightly different
[19:45] <popey> well. you could boot a pi on debian, add apt-build and build ubuntu via that?
[19:46] <AlanBell> so repoint the deb src lines to the ubuntu repos, and apt-build things
[19:53] <popey> you would also need the deb src for debian for the build deps
[19:53] <popey> to get bootstrapped maybe?
[19:54] <popey> i used Core Linux years back and bootstrapped up from next to nothing to a full-ish desktop
[19:54] <popey> could do the same but getting the source packages from ubuntu and building
[19:58] <AlanBell> hmm, that kinda doesn't work
[19:58] <AlanBell> doing apt-build install tar as a normal user fails, because it needs root
[19:58] <AlanBell> use sudo and it fails because configure needs not to have root
[20:01] <AlanBell> needs FORCE_UNSAFE_CONFIGURE=1 to be set in root's environment or something
[20:06] <AlanBell> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWannaBuildInfrastructureOnOneServer looks good
[20:07] <AlanBell> I think the basic idea is you set up your wanna-build server and have a bunch of builders running buildd
[20:08] <penguin42> AlanBell: fakeroot ?
[20:09] <AlanBell> I think it just isn't the right approach
[20:12] <AlanBell> so if I was to mirror the full source archive, how much disk space would that need
[20:12] <AlanBell> and host a full binary archive once built
[20:13]  * penguin42 hates to think
[20:15] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors not too bad
[20:15] <AlanBell> for one release about 7GB for the binary archive
[20:20] <popey> its way more than that i thought
[20:21] <penguin42> that's way smaller than what I thought!
[20:22] <penguin42> AlanBell: Don't forget that's dominated by some big stuff as well
[20:25] <AlanBell> looks like running apt-mirror for raring wants 103.8 GiB
[20:27] <AlanBell> which is 60GiB of binary and 44GiB of sources
[20:31] <penguin42> seems an odd balance - I'd have expected a much bigger ratio
[21:01] <AlanBell> that appears to be right, downloading the sources now onto a 300GB disk, which hopefully will be attached to the controlling server that does wanna-build
[21:02] <penguin42> AlanBell: You are only getting the current source aren't you?
[21:02] <AlanBell> so that will do wanna-build which manages the queue for the builders, and it will host the repositories
[21:02] <AlanBell> yeah, just raring
[21:03] <AlanBell> using apt-mirror
[21:03] <AlanBell> but comented out the deb lines, just doing deb-src
[21:55] <Myrtti> dwatkins: http://imgur.com/gallery/2kXy0ER SUCH PUMPKIN
[22:23] <dwatkins> Myrtti: that's awesome
[22:26] <dwatkins> This meme explains a lot.