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rick_h_http://r.bmark.us/u/eddc65b9e6acd0 is pretty sweet. s3 in network disks? /me resists urge to buy 300:43
cmaloneyderekv: Hardly anyone on eBay has done an honest-to-God auction in th epast 5 years00:48
derekvlooking at selling on amazon01:58
derekvi have one item i need to sell thats worth quite a bit01:58
derekvpeople have it listed for much more on amazon then what it sells for on ebay01:59
derekvunfortunatly i'm not seeing an easy way to find out how well it sells at the amazon price01:59
derekvhttp://lifehacker.com/5887412/how-to-sell-your-excess-crap-for-cash-in-just-a-few-hours-with-amazons-fulfillment-program02:18
derekvsdaj02:19
cmaloneyderekv: I sell on Amazon02:31
cmaloneyOne thing to keep in mind: Those prices on Amazon are usually inflated if there's less than one or two sellers02:31
derekvcmaloney: well if there's a good chance of it selling at that price i can be patient.02:34
cmaloneyderekv: Yeah, I had a Beat 'em and Eat 'em cart that was allegedly $100+ on there02:35
cmaloneyended selling for for half of that.02:35
cmaloneyre: the cart: don't ask02:35
derekvyou lowered it after how long?02:36
cmaloneyAfter I got sick of looking at it and after some conversations about it that went nowhere.02:36
cmaloneyso be prepared to come down in your price02:37
derekvi have seen stuff out of print with insane asking prices02:37
cmaloneyOne thing I've noticed about Amazon too is things that have very little sales can get automatically ratcheted to ridiculous prices02:37
derekvif there's nobody else selling i guess people get hopefull/greedy02:37
cmaloneyYeah, which is fun whenever you see things that are uncommon (not rare) at Salvation Army locations with prices that are comparable to the inflated prices02:38
cmaloneyThey used to have a computer on the floor that they used to check the prices on ebay / Amazon02:38
cmaloneyAnd eBay is it's own bundle of "I think it's worth $x+y02:39
cmaloneyWhich is why eBay will lovingly take your money to relist when it doesn't sell. ;)02:39
derekvat least on ebay you can check completed sales02:41
cmaloneyYeah, I wish Amazon would use that to weigh some of their algorithms02:41
cmaloneybut then again someone would figure out how to game it02:41
cmaloneyIe: buy from themselves to drive up the prices02:42
cmaloneyThough I think that would be a losing proposition02:42
derekvhttp://tinyurl.com/o2scmcw02:42
cmaloneyAnywho, yeah, selling online is fun02:42
derekvnot my idea of fun02:42
cmaloneyBwahahahahaha02:42
derekvbut cash and space are things i like02:43
cmaloneySorry, but there's no way a used sax is going for that much02:43
cmaloneyunless it's in perfect working order with no cork rot02:43
cmaloneyYou're looking at about $500. $1000 if someone is being charitable02:44
cmaloneyMusic instruments are the worst for depreciation, followed closely by American automobiles02:45
derekvsold listing on ebay: 2400, 2500, 220002:45
cmaloneyI'm surprised.02:45
cmaloneyUm, you sure they completed?02:47
cmaloneyI'm seeing some that hit ~3500 that look like the Series 3 or better.02:48
cmaloneyAll the other stuff I'm seeing has no bids on it02:48
derekvwww.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=selmer+super+action+80+alto&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc02:49
rick_h_cmaloney: hey, happened to drive by caribou/peets lately?02:49
rick_h_waf: you're inthe bookieio org as well.02:49
cmaloneyrick_h_: So re: the Caribou progress in Royal Oak: It ran into a major snag02:49
rick_h_cmaloney: :/ ruh roh02:50
cmaloneymy dad told me (so take it for what it's worth) that the landlord considered their lease as a new entity02:50
cmaloneyergo new rates, etc.02:50
rick_h_double ruh roh02:50
cmaloneyso the short of it is they appear to have run into a snag with the lease02:50
cmaloneyand I believe Peets pulled out02:50
rick_h_cmaloney: crap crap crap02:51
rick_h_cmaloney: well, there goes the motivation to REALLY find a new location then02:51
cmaloneythere's no discernable progress, and I remember my dad mentioning there was a dumpster out front02:51
rick_h_as in "there it goes into high gear" vs "there it goes out the window"02:51
cmaloneyYeah. So hopefully there's some progress at the woodward location02:51
cmaloneybut aparently Peets has run into trouble with these leases02:52
rick_h_yea, I was surpised when the closed the one up here. I imagine they had to eat leases galore02:52
cmaloneythere's allegedly 5 Caribouos in Michigan still because of lease problems02:52
rick_h_wait, so "royal oak" one is not the woodward one?02:52
* rick_h_ is confused02:53
cmaloneyNo. Royal Oak one is the Downtown one02:53
rick_h_oh, but that royal oak one is the one that was supposed to turn over first?02:53
cmaloneyI haven't been to the Normandy road one02:53
cmaloneyYeah02:53
rick_h_hmm, I'm off tomorrow. Maybe I'll take a drive down and see what's up, do some hackingout of one of the coffee shops that way02:54
cmaloneyderekv: Interesting. Is Selmer a known brand for Saxaphones?02:54
cmaloneySaxophones, rather02:54
cmaloneyI'm rather surprised they're hitting $2K without much problem02:55
cmaloneyusually musical instruments hit roughly 1/4 to 1/5 of their "retail" prices02:55
cmaloney(mostly because music stores jack the shit out of their prices. Saw a catalog over at unnamed music store that JoDee worked at that showed their markup. Needless to say I was amused and appalled).02:56
cmaloneyrick_h_: Yeah, I think we're in the nomad phase of the early MI dvelopers. :)02:57
rick_h_cmaloney: yea, seems that way. Kind of used to the spoiled 'reserve the room for the year' phase :/02:57
cmaloneyYeah02:58
cmaloneyWe managed to crounge up some tables last time at Starbucks on Woodward, but it was pretty dicey.02:58
rick_h_cmaloney: yea, I'm definitely not liking that place. It could never hold our bigger meetups02:59
rick_h_for a bit there we had some 6-10 regularly02:59
rick_h_kind of liked that02:59
cmaloneyYeah.02:59
cmaloneyhttp://decafbad.net/2013/10/27/every-chip-has-a-story/03:39
waftake my money04:05
cmaloneyheh04:08
jjessei would argue the worst drivers in the entire world are school moms doing dropoffs12:44
jjessei'm just saying12:44
brouschNo. It's the dads trying to use the moms' system!13:06
cmaloneyjjesse: Not sure if school drop-offs are the worst in the world, but they are pretty awful13:16
jjesseso my son goes to a charter school so there is no busing13:17
jjesseso every parent has to drop their kids off13:17
jjesseand all of them (Except me of course) are awful13:17
brouschHe doesn't go to Godwin Elementary?13:18
jjessebrousch,  no we would be GRPS13:18
jjesseso we choose a charter school13:19
derekvcmaloney: the super 80 is well known13:52
derekvcmaloney: it probably decreases in value with condition but less so from age ... I don't recall having any concept that this thing was worth that much when i was using it in high school13:53
derekvi'm surprised, it probably was worth more then the car I drove back then13:53
derekvthe 5k new price suprises me the most13:55
derekvre CHC / peets / caribou / starbucks ... I feel like the age of the coffee shop where people meet and hang out , or you can go out for a change of enviroment to get studying/work done etc is just sadly over13:58
derekvi mean, i don't know of more than a few (appearently) independently owned coffee places ... and if PEETs doesnt care to fight to keep the location in RO pretty much proves the point...14:00
derekvit isn't all that valueable to a big chain to have a cool hangout place even if that place is packed as hell all the time14:00
derekvwhat they want is drive through venti carmel cappicino with skinny half calf half whip with a bannana nut bread and double insulin resistance14:04
derekvnot actual coffee drinkers who come in and order a $2 mug and sit for 5 hours getting refills14:05
derekvafter a bit somehow caribou managed to feel more corperate to me than starbucks even14:08
brouschGo to a co-working facility if you need a place away from home to work14:10
derekvthe decor was never changed except possibly to brighten it up, but just felt corpo-kitch with the psuedo "cabin/lodge" feel mixed with the gift-crap display stands.  originally the baked goods where from a regional supplier and not more than a day old14:11
jrwrenits a good point. You probably should have forged a relationship with an idepenantly owned place years ago.14:15
derekvi remember when they switched to the vending machine crap probably mixed in chemical vats by 5 year olds in Bengledeshia and sent by oil tanker to MX where it moves my train to a plat where its extruded into bread-slice shaped molds and after 8 seconds of UV exposure turns into "marble bread"14:18
derekvthat's where starbucks has them beat, using largely the same process they can produce "ham an cheese wrap"14:19
jrwrenoh, food.14:22
jrwrenI didn't know what you were talking about.14:22
jrwrenits sad that SBUX decided to compete with mcdonalds.14:22
jrwrenwhen the only food they had was cubmled tea cakes and lemon cake, everything about their quality was better.14:22
jrwrenand don't get me started on only service Pikes Place Blend. *ugh*14:23
derekvthere's a place in ferndale that i think is independent, but not very big.  there's always been one in birmingham, its changed names about 30 times since i first went there... that one is interesting but its usually overrun with highschool students and underage hipsters14:23
jrwrennothing wrong with that.14:23
jrwrenheck, that is your bread and butter recruiting audience14:23
derekvthe other thing is, i havent been there in years so i'm not sure, but historically it was open 24/7 and you could go there at 3am and it'd be packed with people studying and/or being hip14:24
brouschWe have a lot of independent coffee shops, but most of them are too small for meetings14:27
rick_h_yea, it might be time to change up. Just don't have the time these days to really find a good place14:28
jrwrenhttp://askubuntu.com/questions/367296/why-did-upgrade-to-saucy-replace-my-host-keys-on-first-reboot14:33
jrwrenanyone see a reboot after saucy upgrade replace their ssh host keys?14:33
brouschWasn't there a bug with host keys they fixed a few months ago?14:36
brouschMaybe forcing new ones to compensate?14:36
jrwreni remember a crypto bug about it 7yrs ago14:38
brouschSomething about host keys being copied when you made new images14:38
derekvrick_h_: tbh i don't know where else you'd go. caribou had that room.14:38
brouschSo VMs had the same keys14:38
rick_h_derekv: yea, that's why it's tough. The group had the potential to get bigger. There was some debate on trying to almost turn it into a software dev meetup vs just CHC14:39
jrwrenbrousch: this is not a new vm.14:39
rick_h_derekv: but that's more work and might not be appealing to everyone14:39
rick_h_there are some restuarants that have rooms, but would have to cold call around to find them.14:40
rick_h_and be more $$ to do a meal vs just coffee14:40
widoxrick_h_: that or we'd need company sponsers or something to give us room14:40
jrwrenplus, something about the different atmosphere of a restaurant is just a turn off to me compared to coffee house14:40
brouschDon't you have to meet in a coffee house to be CHC?14:40
rick_h_widox: yea, and I think we could do that, but we'd have to either go west to AA area or south to DTW area to get something cool I think14:40
rick_h_widox: is my guess at least14:41
rick_h_jrwren: true14:41
widoxI'd agree there14:41
rick_h_but anyway, yea changing location would mean changing the group up. There's no doubt about that.14:41
widoxwould certanly be more work14:41
rick_h_it'd turn into something different, is that bad? maybe/maybe not14:41
rick_h_widox: yea, and tbh, I drive over 30min now to get there. I created it to stop driving to AA14:42
rick_h_widox: so the idea of hour drives just does't appeal to me14:42
widoxrick_h_: yea man, get out of the boonies up there! :p14:42
rick_h_widox: hah, no kidding.14:42
derekvwell, not restricting to coffee houses, and encouraging more branchoffs... as long as there's engough to get 5 to 10 people consistantly.  like a network meetup14:46
rick_h_yea, I mean there was a downriver CHC for a bit. Another group wanted the 'detroit' name so that's why we moved to royal oak CHC14:47
rick_h_so there's been tries at starting up smaller local groups14:47
rick_h_we've just done really well at sticking around a long time14:48
derekvyou have a dedicated core14:48
brousch20mins is pretty much the driving limit, unless it's for a really good meeting14:48
rick_h_derekv: yea14:48
rick_h_and waf is awesome. We kill http://www.coffeehousecoders.com/14:49
derekvout of a group of 10 its not always going to be easy to find 3/4 who are going to be pretty consistant and willing to do the organization etc to hold things together14:50
rick_h_I say we jsut take over cmaloney's house and force him to make us coffees :P14:50
brouschAnd cupcakes14:50
rick_h_ooh, good call14:50
jrwrensomething about the different atmosphere of a persons home is just a turn on to me compared to the coffee house. :)14:51
derekvi thought about hosting at people's houses ... a lot of pros and cons to that14:51
rick_h_yea, I've liked having the sprints here14:51
jrwren"you don't have any soy? I'm lactose intollerant"14:51
rick_h_and if we get the screened porch put on, it'll be a great hack space in the spring/summer14:51
derekvohhhhh14:51
rick_h_but again, I'm outside of most people's range14:52
brouschThe big problem is if a lot of people decide to show up and now you're cramming 12 people into cmaloney's house14:52
rick_h_so we'd lose a lot of people14:52
widoxwell, thats always a problem though. we barely got 4 spots together at Starbucks the past two weeks14:53
jjesseseems like you just make cmaloney buy a bigger house?14:54
widoxspeaking of Downriver CHC; I hear its on a hiatus -- ColonelPanic001?14:54
rick_h_widox: yea, that's what I mean. Maybe it is time for change. Just hate to see it. <3 my wed nights14:57
rick_h_I could probably start up something more local up there and get some locals that won't go down to CHC and carry on14:57
rick_h_but :(14:57
ColonelPanic001widox: pretty much, Dan had stuff going on, said he was out for a bit14:57
ColonelPanic001and that's half of D-CHC, so...14:58
rick_h_lol14:58
derekvi was loosely thinking of starting some sort of meetup ... kind of like a book club for coders, but not nessisarily following a book.  more like self-organized small group learning sessions.14:59
derekvlike a haskell newbies meetup (just because that is one i was trying to learn)14:59
brouschI see those popping up all the time here. Most recent one is "Code and Breakfast"15:01
brouschUsually 3-4 friends have a common time slot they want to hang out and make it a thing15:01
derekvor... even a polyglot theme.  each meetup someone could lead a tutorial in some language/framwork they know (or figured out and want to share)15:02
derekvbrousch: oh yea btw my hobbie is thinking up ideas and then making idle plans in my head without actually checking to see who else already has done it15:02
derekvhobby?15:02
widoxthere are those, even in Detroit. but that's kind of not the same thing as CHC I think15:03
widoxCHC is a none planned "event"15:03
derekv /package-install irc-aspell15:03
derekvwidox: right. different, complementary i'd hope15:03
jrwrenhow can I unset something in byobu? there is no unset command :(15:03
widoxif we have some tutorial days or whatever that cool. but being obligated to have something is something else15:04
rick_h_apt-get remove byobu :P15:04
derekvhmm15:04
brouschderekv: That used to be my hobby too. Now I write them down in Evernote15:05
derekvi sortof like the idea of a 1-off tutorial/presentation/demo (10-30m) followed by an open hack period till the venue kicks everyone out15:07
derekvagain not the same as CHC though, that'd be a lot more organizational work15:07
brouschLining up speakers is tough with small groups15:08
derekvyep15:14
derekvthen again its less stress and less prep if you just got like 10 people your going to talk to15:14
derekvlike for CHC, if we did something like that, i'd say, keep it pretty small and pretty focused15:15
brouschTends to end up as no prep ;)15:15
derekv"my 5 favorite bash tricks, and 3 more i just learned"15:15
derekvidk15:15
derekvi'm not sure what problem i'm solving15:16
derekvdon't give talks to CHC thats not what i'm suggesting15:19
derekvhonestly this just started with me reading about applicitive functors and wanting to explain it to people as a way of forcing the concepts into my long term memory15:20
jrwrenoh, unbind should be the tmux command I want, but its not working :(15:22
rick_h_jrwren: lol, "You've been endorsed for 'general awesomeness'"15:30
rick_h_this is what happens when I log into linkedin for my second time this year15:30
greg-grick_h_: that's the only reasonable endorsement I've seen ;)15:31
greg-gI get shit like "Drupal" and "CMSs" and "Programming" (really? me? wrong guy)15:31
rick_h_greg-g: jrwren did both 'awesomeness' and 'general awesomeness' and I could decide if that was 1.0 and 2.0? Or if I should keep both on record :P15:32
rick_h_greg-g: lol15:32
greg-ghaha15:32
rick_h_greg-g: oh hey, I wanted to chat dev process with you some time15:32
greg-gsweet15:32
rick_h_I'm curious, we're trying to see if we can do our project via github/travisci and such, but found a giant hole in the process15:32
rick_h_and wonder if we're just strange or what15:32
greg-ghmm, which hole15:33
greg-g(or do you wanna wait and chat later?)15:33
rick_h_greg-g: so when you create a pull request in github you can have travis run CI on trunk + the new branch15:33
rick_h_greg-g: up to you, when you have a sec15:33
rick_h_greg-g: which is cool and all, and each time you push up an update to your branch, travis re-runs tests/etc15:34
greg-gnow's fine, still doing the morning routine-ish stuff ;)15:34
* greg-g nods right right15:34
rick_h_greg-g: but once I give you a LGTM/approval, you don't have to merge that change right now15:34
rick_h_maybe you're afk15:34
rick_h_and trunk keeps on going. Someone else lands something, that breaks your stuff15:34
rick_h_so what we do, is that when you perform an actual submit/auto merge back to trunk, we rerun tests and everything with the latest/greatest trunk15:34
rick_h_but travis/github can't do that15:34
rick_h_Even large-ish github projects like YUI have a person that does the final merge15:35
greg-ghrmmm, so, say I submitted something, and you LGTM'd it, I still have to be the one to merge it?15:35
rick_h_so it's not automated and that person could screw up and land stuff into trunk that's broken (it passed tests at some time, but not together)15:35
greg-ghere, you'd do the merge (with your +2, versus +1)15:35
rick_h_greg-g: well someone has to, at least with this toolchain15:35
rick_h_greg-g: yea, we have +2 + QA on anything > 400 loc diff15:36
rick_h_+1 and QA on anything smaller15:36
jrwreni hate linkedin, so i just it only for endorsing silly things15:36
jrwrenor cool things that aren't really career related, like woodworking for rick_h_15:36
rick_h_greg-g: but it seems all these large projects like django, yui, jquery...on github they can't do this right. At leastnot and use github for merging. You'd need another tool outside to somehow automate the merge to trunk and re-run your tests15:36
rick_h_jrwren: kept that one :)15:36
jrwrenyou got rid of other ones?15:37
jrwrenyou can get rid of them?15:37
jrwreni gotta try that.15:37
rick_h_jrwren: yea, it presents them to you as "You've been endorsed for XXX" and you can X on them15:37
greg-grick_h_: "+2" in my context means "I approve, and I have commit rights on this repo, so I'mma gonna just merge it, thanks" whereas +1 = "LGTM but someone else must merge" (not sure if there was confusion there or not, we use Gerrit in the same way OpenStack does, I believe)15:37
rick_h_then save15:37
jrwreni thought the X just removed the notification, not remove the endorsement15:37
rick_h_greg-g: yea, that's where we got looking. You end up needing gerrit to do the test run at the time the "MERGE" button is pressed15:37
rick_h_greg-g: so yea, when someone gets done with review and hits +2, do the tests run again with the latest trunk?15:38
greg-goh, right I see I see15:38
greg-gyeah15:38
greg-gthey do15:38
rick_h_right, ok. Cool. It seems most places don't do that from what I can tell and confused me.15:38
rick_h_maybe we're paranoid or something, figured you guys would be a close match to compare notes with15:39
greg-ggotcha, yeah, given what you just said, I don't know how we'd manage otherwise15:39
greg-gand just anecdotally, the only times I see patches breaking due to other code changes it's due to the patch being really old ;)15:39
greg-g(or a big refactor that just landed, of course)15:40
rick_h_exactly, branches that live for more than a few days are dangerous15:40
greg-g:) indeed, too bad we have SOOOO MANY OF THOSE15:40
rick_h_we try hard to break it down into 1 day cards, work one day, land the next. But as you can imagine that doesn't always work out15:40
greg-gyeah, that's pretty intense15:41
cmaloneyHey, you're all welcome over at my place15:41
cmaloneyI have a shitty screened in porch that we use to keep the cat mess in.15:41
rick_h_lol cmaloney arrives!15:42
cmaloneyI can set up card tables and use the Keurig. ;)15:42
* rick_h_ rnus away15:42
rick_h_errr runs15:42
cmaloneyYou better rnu15:42
greg-ghuh, neat, search DDG for "gerrit git" (to weed out some other weird non code stuff) and we're (WMF-related things) in the top 10 twice15:42
cmaloneyjjesse / brousch http://events.leukemiamichigan.org/site/MessageViewer?em_id=4601.0&dlv_id=818115:43
cmaloneyThis is one of the highlights of my year.15:43
cmaloneyBells Blacknote = A+++15:44
brouschcmaloney: I cannot. It's right in the middle of GRGiveCamp15:46
brouschGiveCampGR I mean15:46
cmaloneybrousch: Bah15:49
cmaloneywhat's more important: standing around drinking beer at a fundraiser or actually helping people with boots on the ground?15:49
cmaloneyDrinking beer, naturally. :)15:50
cmaloneyIt's like the appearance of helping without all that messy helping stuff getting in the way.15:50
brouschI would go if I could15:52
brouschHold on. Let me email these refugees and tell them I decided to drink beer instead15:54
jjessecmaloney, very little i can drink there as a gluten free person15:54
brouschI saw a gluten-free beer at D Shuler's yesterday15:54
jjesseyeah i know there is some gluten free beer15:55
jjessebut mostly "beer tests" don't have them15:55
brouschGet out there and change that. Ask at every booth to try their gluten free beer15:56
brouschBring your gluten free friends to do the same15:56
jjesseyeah maybe15:56
cmaloneyjjesse: Yeah, this would likely not be the event for you then16:00
cmaloneyNow if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go try to sell some heaters to people in hell. ;)16:01
cmaloneyHey, when did wolfger_ start idling in here?16:02
derekvsuggest getting into mead, cider, tequila (not at the same time)16:11
greg-gtequila is an evil substance16:13
mathomastechHey guys. Thanks for all your help and suggestions on reviving my local LUG (Northfield, MN). As of today, we finally launched our first round of public facing pages/announcements, etc. If your ever in the Minneapolis area, we'd love to have you join us.16:13
mathomastechMeetup Profile: https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/11005350460623141766016:13
mathomastechG+ Community: http://www.meetup.com/NORLUG-CHC/16:13
mathomastechSwitch those 2 links around :S16:13
cmaloneyVery cool!16:33
derekvgreg-g: i'm not talking about putting the hat on and swigging el toro16:53
derekvgreg-g: get some higher end aguave tequila and sip.16:53
greg-gderekv: tried it, no go for me16:53
greg-gbut also, I did crazy things when I drank it16:54
greg-gmaybe the fault of something else, but :)16:54
derekvor mix the same with mulched lime (or juiced lime juice) and soda water16:54
derekvhmm i can't drink ciniman schnapps because I get weird and destructive towards non living objects16:55
derekvthats totally not how you spell cinnamon16:56
greg-gcinnanananaanamon17:00
greg-gI think17:00
cmaloneyI think I'm going to make a restaurant that only consists of a door that serves South-American hot drinks. I'll call it the Mate-Door.17:03

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