[00:43] http://r.bmark.us/u/eddc65b9e6acd0 is pretty sweet. s3 in network disks? /me resists urge to buy 3 [00:48] derekv: Hardly anyone on eBay has done an honest-to-God auction in th epast 5 years [01:58] looking at selling on amazon [01:58] i have one item i need to sell thats worth quite a bit [01:59] people have it listed for much more on amazon then what it sells for on ebay [01:59] unfortunatly i'm not seeing an easy way to find out how well it sells at the amazon price [02:18] http://lifehacker.com/5887412/how-to-sell-your-excess-crap-for-cash-in-just-a-few-hours-with-amazons-fulfillment-program [02:19] sdaj [02:31] derekv: I sell on Amazon [02:31] One thing to keep in mind: Those prices on Amazon are usually inflated if there's less than one or two sellers [02:34] cmaloney: well if there's a good chance of it selling at that price i can be patient. [02:35] derekv: Yeah, I had a Beat 'em and Eat 'em cart that was allegedly $100+ on there [02:35] ended selling for for half of that. [02:35] re: the cart: don't ask [02:36] you lowered it after how long? [02:36] After I got sick of looking at it and after some conversations about it that went nowhere. [02:37] so be prepared to come down in your price [02:37] i have seen stuff out of print with insane asking prices [02:37] One thing I've noticed about Amazon too is things that have very little sales can get automatically ratcheted to ridiculous prices [02:37] if there's nobody else selling i guess people get hopefull/greedy [02:38] Yeah, which is fun whenever you see things that are uncommon (not rare) at Salvation Army locations with prices that are comparable to the inflated prices [02:38] They used to have a computer on the floor that they used to check the prices on ebay / Amazon [02:39] And eBay is it's own bundle of "I think it's worth $x+y [02:39] Which is why eBay will lovingly take your money to relist when it doesn't sell. ;) [02:41] at least on ebay you can check completed sales [02:41] Yeah, I wish Amazon would use that to weigh some of their algorithms [02:41] but then again someone would figure out how to game it [02:42] Ie: buy from themselves to drive up the prices [02:42] Though I think that would be a losing proposition [02:42] http://tinyurl.com/o2scmcw [02:42] Anywho, yeah, selling online is fun [02:42] not my idea of fun [02:42] Bwahahahahaha [02:43] but cash and space are things i like [02:43] Sorry, but there's no way a used sax is going for that much [02:43] unless it's in perfect working order with no cork rot [02:44] You're looking at about $500. $1000 if someone is being charitable [02:45] Music instruments are the worst for depreciation, followed closely by American automobiles [02:45] sold listing on ebay: 2400, 2500, 2200 [02:45] I'm surprised. [02:47] Um, you sure they completed? [02:48] I'm seeing some that hit ~3500 that look like the Series 3 or better. [02:48] All the other stuff I'm seeing has no bids on it [02:49] www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=selmer+super+action+80+alto&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc [02:49] cmaloney: hey, happened to drive by caribou/peets lately? [02:49] waf: you're inthe bookieio org as well. [02:49] rick_h_: So re: the Caribou progress in Royal Oak: It ran into a major snag [02:50] cmaloney: :/ ruh roh [02:50] my dad told me (so take it for what it's worth) that the landlord considered their lease as a new entity [02:50] ergo new rates, etc. [02:50] double ruh roh [02:50] so the short of it is they appear to have run into a snag with the lease [02:50] and I believe Peets pulled out [02:51] cmaloney: crap crap crap [02:51] cmaloney: well, there goes the motivation to REALLY find a new location then [02:51] there's no discernable progress, and I remember my dad mentioning there was a dumpster out front [02:51] as in "there it goes into high gear" vs "there it goes out the window" [02:51] Yeah. So hopefully there's some progress at the woodward location [02:52] but aparently Peets has run into trouble with these leases [02:52] yea, I was surpised when the closed the one up here. I imagine they had to eat leases galore [02:52] there's allegedly 5 Caribouos in Michigan still because of lease problems [02:52] wait, so "royal oak" one is not the woodward one? [02:53] * rick_h_ is confused [02:53] No. Royal Oak one is the Downtown one [02:53] oh, but that royal oak one is the one that was supposed to turn over first? [02:53] I haven't been to the Normandy road one [02:53] Yeah [02:54] hmm, I'm off tomorrow. Maybe I'll take a drive down and see what's up, do some hackingout of one of the coffee shops that way [02:54] derekv: Interesting. Is Selmer a known brand for Saxaphones? [02:54] Saxophones, rather [02:55] I'm rather surprised they're hitting $2K without much problem [02:55] usually musical instruments hit roughly 1/4 to 1/5 of their "retail" prices [02:56] (mostly because music stores jack the shit out of their prices. Saw a catalog over at unnamed music store that JoDee worked at that showed their markup. Needless to say I was amused and appalled). [02:57] rick_h_: Yeah, I think we're in the nomad phase of the early MI dvelopers. :) [02:57] cmaloney: yea, seems that way. Kind of used to the spoiled 'reserve the room for the year' phase :/ [02:58] Yeah [02:58] We managed to crounge up some tables last time at Starbucks on Woodward, but it was pretty dicey. [02:59] cmaloney: yea, I'm definitely not liking that place. It could never hold our bigger meetups [02:59] for a bit there we had some 6-10 regularly [02:59] kind of liked that [02:59] Yeah. [03:39] http://decafbad.net/2013/10/27/every-chip-has-a-story/ [04:05] take my money [04:08] heh [12:44] i would argue the worst drivers in the entire world are school moms doing dropoffs [12:44] i'm just saying [13:06] No. It's the dads trying to use the moms' system! [13:16] jjesse: Not sure if school drop-offs are the worst in the world, but they are pretty awful [13:17] so my son goes to a charter school so there is no busing [13:17] so every parent has to drop their kids off [13:17] and all of them (Except me of course) are awful [13:18] He doesn't go to Godwin Elementary? [13:18] brousch, no we would be GRPS [13:19] so we choose a charter school [13:52] cmaloney: the super 80 is well known [13:53] cmaloney: it probably decreases in value with condition but less so from age ... I don't recall having any concept that this thing was worth that much when i was using it in high school [13:53] i'm surprised, it probably was worth more then the car I drove back then [13:55] the 5k new price suprises me the most [13:58] re CHC / peets / caribou / starbucks ... I feel like the age of the coffee shop where people meet and hang out , or you can go out for a change of enviroment to get studying/work done etc is just sadly over [14:00] i mean, i don't know of more than a few (appearently) independently owned coffee places ... and if PEETs doesnt care to fight to keep the location in RO pretty much proves the point... [14:00] it isn't all that valueable to a big chain to have a cool hangout place even if that place is packed as hell all the time [14:04] what they want is drive through venti carmel cappicino with skinny half calf half whip with a bannana nut bread and double insulin resistance [14:05] not actual coffee drinkers who come in and order a $2 mug and sit for 5 hours getting refills [14:08] after a bit somehow caribou managed to feel more corperate to me than starbucks even [14:10] Go to a co-working facility if you need a place away from home to work [14:11] the decor was never changed except possibly to brighten it up, but just felt corpo-kitch with the psuedo "cabin/lodge" feel mixed with the gift-crap display stands. originally the baked goods where from a regional supplier and not more than a day old [14:15] its a good point. You probably should have forged a relationship with an idepenantly owned place years ago. [14:18] i remember when they switched to the vending machine crap probably mixed in chemical vats by 5 year olds in Bengledeshia and sent by oil tanker to MX where it moves my train to a plat where its extruded into bread-slice shaped molds and after 8 seconds of UV exposure turns into "marble bread" [14:19] that's where starbucks has them beat, using largely the same process they can produce "ham an cheese wrap" [14:22] oh, food. [14:22] I didn't know what you were talking about. [14:22] its sad that SBUX decided to compete with mcdonalds. [14:22] when the only food they had was cubmled tea cakes and lemon cake, everything about their quality was better. [14:23] and don't get me started on only service Pikes Place Blend. *ugh* [14:23] there's a place in ferndale that i think is independent, but not very big. there's always been one in birmingham, its changed names about 30 times since i first went there... that one is interesting but its usually overrun with highschool students and underage hipsters [14:23] nothing wrong with that. [14:23] heck, that is your bread and butter recruiting audience [14:24] the other thing is, i havent been there in years so i'm not sure, but historically it was open 24/7 and you could go there at 3am and it'd be packed with people studying and/or being hip [14:27] We have a lot of independent coffee shops, but most of them are too small for meetings [14:28] yea, it might be time to change up. Just don't have the time these days to really find a good place [14:33] http://askubuntu.com/questions/367296/why-did-upgrade-to-saucy-replace-my-host-keys-on-first-reboot [14:33] anyone see a reboot after saucy upgrade replace their ssh host keys? [14:36] Wasn't there a bug with host keys they fixed a few months ago? [14:36] Maybe forcing new ones to compensate? [14:38] i remember a crypto bug about it 7yrs ago [14:38] Something about host keys being copied when you made new images [14:38] rick_h_: tbh i don't know where else you'd go. caribou had that room. [14:38] So VMs had the same keys [14:39] derekv: yea, that's why it's tough. The group had the potential to get bigger. There was some debate on trying to almost turn it into a software dev meetup vs just CHC [14:39] brousch: this is not a new vm. [14:39] derekv: but that's more work and might not be appealing to everyone [14:40] there are some restuarants that have rooms, but would have to cold call around to find them. [14:40] and be more $$ to do a meal vs just coffee [14:40] rick_h_: that or we'd need company sponsers or something to give us room [14:40] plus, something about the different atmosphere of a restaurant is just a turn off to me compared to coffee house [14:40] Don't you have to meet in a coffee house to be CHC? [14:40] widox: yea, and I think we could do that, but we'd have to either go west to AA area or south to DTW area to get something cool I think [14:41] widox: is my guess at least [14:41] jrwren: true [14:41] I'd agree there [14:41] but anyway, yea changing location would mean changing the group up. There's no doubt about that. [14:41] would certanly be more work [14:41] it'd turn into something different, is that bad? maybe/maybe not [14:42] widox: yea, and tbh, I drive over 30min now to get there. I created it to stop driving to AA [14:42] widox: so the idea of hour drives just does't appeal to me [14:42] rick_h_: yea man, get out of the boonies up there! :p [14:42] widox: hah, no kidding. [14:46] well, not restricting to coffee houses, and encouraging more branchoffs... as long as there's engough to get 5 to 10 people consistantly. like a network meetup [14:47] yea, I mean there was a downriver CHC for a bit. Another group wanted the 'detroit' name so that's why we moved to royal oak CHC [14:47] so there's been tries at starting up smaller local groups [14:48] we've just done really well at sticking around a long time [14:48] you have a dedicated core [14:48] 20mins is pretty much the driving limit, unless it's for a really good meeting [14:48] derekv: yea [14:49] and waf is awesome. We kill http://www.coffeehousecoders.com/ [14:50] out of a group of 10 its not always going to be easy to find 3/4 who are going to be pretty consistant and willing to do the organization etc to hold things together [14:50] I say we jsut take over cmaloney's house and force him to make us coffees :P [14:50] And cupcakes [14:50] ooh, good call [14:51] something about the different atmosphere of a persons home is just a turn on to me compared to the coffee house. :) [14:51] i thought about hosting at people's houses ... a lot of pros and cons to that [14:51] yea, I've liked having the sprints here [14:51] "you don't have any soy? I'm lactose intollerant" [14:51] and if we get the screened porch put on, it'll be a great hack space in the spring/summer [14:51] ohhhhh [14:52] but again, I'm outside of most people's range [14:52] The big problem is if a lot of people decide to show up and now you're cramming 12 people into cmaloney's house [14:52] so we'd lose a lot of people [14:53] well, thats always a problem though. we barely got 4 spots together at Starbucks the past two weeks [14:54] seems like you just make cmaloney buy a bigger house? [14:54] speaking of Downriver CHC; I hear its on a hiatus -- ColonelPanic001? [14:57] widox: yea, that's what I mean. Maybe it is time for change. Just hate to see it. <3 my wed nights [14:57] I could probably start up something more local up there and get some locals that won't go down to CHC and carry on [14:57] but :( [14:57] widox: pretty much, Dan had stuff going on, said he was out for a bit [14:58] and that's half of D-CHC, so... [14:58] lol [14:59] i was loosely thinking of starting some sort of meetup ... kind of like a book club for coders, but not nessisarily following a book. more like self-organized small group learning sessions. [14:59] like a haskell newbies meetup (just because that is one i was trying to learn) [15:01] I see those popping up all the time here. Most recent one is "Code and Breakfast" [15:01] Usually 3-4 friends have a common time slot they want to hang out and make it a thing [15:02] or... even a polyglot theme. each meetup someone could lead a tutorial in some language/framwork they know (or figured out and want to share) [15:02] brousch: oh yea btw my hobbie is thinking up ideas and then making idle plans in my head without actually checking to see who else already has done it [15:02] hobby? [15:03] there are those, even in Detroit. but that's kind of not the same thing as CHC I think [15:03] CHC is a none planned "event" [15:03] /package-install irc-aspell [15:03] widox: right. different, complementary i'd hope [15:03] how can I unset something in byobu? there is no unset command :( [15:04] if we have some tutorial days or whatever that cool. but being obligated to have something is something else [15:04] apt-get remove byobu :P [15:04] hmm [15:05] derekv: That used to be my hobby too. Now I write them down in Evernote [15:07] i sortof like the idea of a 1-off tutorial/presentation/demo (10-30m) followed by an open hack period till the venue kicks everyone out [15:07] again not the same as CHC though, that'd be a lot more organizational work [15:08] Lining up speakers is tough with small groups [15:14] yep [15:14] then again its less stress and less prep if you just got like 10 people your going to talk to [15:15] like for CHC, if we did something like that, i'd say, keep it pretty small and pretty focused [15:15] Tends to end up as no prep ;) [15:15] "my 5 favorite bash tricks, and 3 more i just learned" [15:15] idk [15:16] i'm not sure what problem i'm solving [15:19] don't give talks to CHC thats not what i'm suggesting [15:20] honestly this just started with me reading about applicitive functors and wanting to explain it to people as a way of forcing the concepts into my long term memory [15:22] oh, unbind should be the tmux command I want, but its not working :( [15:30] jrwren: lol, "You've been endorsed for 'general awesomeness'" [15:30] this is what happens when I log into linkedin for my second time this year [15:31] rick_h_: that's the only reasonable endorsement I've seen ;) [15:31] I get shit like "Drupal" and "CMSs" and "Programming" (really? me? wrong guy) [15:32] greg-g: jrwren did both 'awesomeness' and 'general awesomeness' and I could decide if that was 1.0 and 2.0? Or if I should keep both on record :P [15:32] greg-g: lol [15:32] haha [15:32] greg-g: oh hey, I wanted to chat dev process with you some time [15:32] sweet [15:32] I'm curious, we're trying to see if we can do our project via github/travisci and such, but found a giant hole in the process [15:32] and wonder if we're just strange or what [15:33] hmm, which hole [15:33] (or do you wanna wait and chat later?) [15:33] greg-g: so when you create a pull request in github you can have travis run CI on trunk + the new branch [15:33] greg-g: up to you, when you have a sec [15:34] greg-g: which is cool and all, and each time you push up an update to your branch, travis re-runs tests/etc [15:34] now's fine, still doing the morning routine-ish stuff ;) [15:34] * greg-g nods right right [15:34] greg-g: but once I give you a LGTM/approval, you don't have to merge that change right now [15:34] maybe you're afk [15:34] and trunk keeps on going. Someone else lands something, that breaks your stuff [15:34] so what we do, is that when you perform an actual submit/auto merge back to trunk, we rerun tests and everything with the latest/greatest trunk [15:34] but travis/github can't do that [15:35] Even large-ish github projects like YUI have a person that does the final merge [15:35] hrmmm, so, say I submitted something, and you LGTM'd it, I still have to be the one to merge it? [15:35] so it's not automated and that person could screw up and land stuff into trunk that's broken (it passed tests at some time, but not together) [15:35] here, you'd do the merge (with your +2, versus +1) [15:35] greg-g: well someone has to, at least with this toolchain [15:36] greg-g: yea, we have +2 + QA on anything > 400 loc diff [15:36] +1 and QA on anything smaller [15:36] i hate linkedin, so i just it only for endorsing silly things [15:36] or cool things that aren't really career related, like woodworking for rick_h_ [15:36] greg-g: but it seems all these large projects like django, yui, jquery...on github they can't do this right. At leastnot and use github for merging. You'd need another tool outside to somehow automate the merge to trunk and re-run your tests [15:36] jrwren: kept that one :) [15:37] you got rid of other ones? [15:37] you can get rid of them? [15:37] i gotta try that. [15:37] jrwren: yea, it presents them to you as "You've been endorsed for XXX" and you can X on them [15:37] rick_h_: "+2" in my context means "I approve, and I have commit rights on this repo, so I'mma gonna just merge it, thanks" whereas +1 = "LGTM but someone else must merge" (not sure if there was confusion there or not, we use Gerrit in the same way OpenStack does, I believe) [15:37] then save [15:37] i thought the X just removed the notification, not remove the endorsement [15:37] greg-g: yea, that's where we got looking. You end up needing gerrit to do the test run at the time the "MERGE" button is pressed [15:38] greg-g: so yea, when someone gets done with review and hits +2, do the tests run again with the latest trunk? [15:38] oh, right I see I see [15:38] yeah [15:38] they do [15:38] right, ok. Cool. It seems most places don't do that from what I can tell and confused me. [15:39] maybe we're paranoid or something, figured you guys would be a close match to compare notes with [15:39] gotcha, yeah, given what you just said, I don't know how we'd manage otherwise [15:39] and just anecdotally, the only times I see patches breaking due to other code changes it's due to the patch being really old ;) [15:40] (or a big refactor that just landed, of course) [15:40] exactly, branches that live for more than a few days are dangerous [15:40] :) indeed, too bad we have SOOOO MANY OF THOSE [15:40] we try hard to break it down into 1 day cards, work one day, land the next. But as you can imagine that doesn't always work out [15:41] yeah, that's pretty intense [15:41] Hey, you're all welcome over at my place [15:41] I have a shitty screened in porch that we use to keep the cat mess in. [15:42] lol cmaloney arrives! [15:42] I can set up card tables and use the Keurig. ;) [15:42] * rick_h_ rnus away [15:42] errr runs [15:42] You better rnu [15:42] huh, neat, search DDG for "gerrit git" (to weed out some other weird non code stuff) and we're (WMF-related things) in the top 10 twice [15:43] jjesse / brousch http://events.leukemiamichigan.org/site/MessageViewer?em_id=4601.0&dlv_id=8181 [15:43] This is one of the highlights of my year. [15:44] Bells Blacknote = A+++ [15:46] cmaloney: I cannot. It's right in the middle of GRGiveCamp [15:46] GiveCampGR I mean [15:49] brousch: Bah [15:49] what's more important: standing around drinking beer at a fundraiser or actually helping people with boots on the ground? [15:50] Drinking beer, naturally. :) [15:50] It's like the appearance of helping without all that messy helping stuff getting in the way. [15:52] I would go if I could [15:54] Hold on. Let me email these refugees and tell them I decided to drink beer instead [15:54] cmaloney, very little i can drink there as a gluten free person [15:54] I saw a gluten-free beer at D Shuler's yesterday [15:55] yeah i know there is some gluten free beer [15:55] but mostly "beer tests" don't have them [15:56] Get out there and change that. Ask at every booth to try their gluten free beer [15:56] Bring your gluten free friends to do the same [15:56] yeah maybe [16:00] jjesse: Yeah, this would likely not be the event for you then [16:01] Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go try to sell some heaters to people in hell. ;) [16:02] Hey, when did wolfger_ start idling in here? [16:11] suggest getting into mead, cider, tequila (not at the same time) [16:13] tequila is an evil substance [16:13] Hey guys. Thanks for all your help and suggestions on reviving my local LUG (Northfield, MN). As of today, we finally launched our first round of public facing pages/announcements, etc. If your ever in the Minneapolis area, we'd love to have you join us. [16:13] Meetup Profile: https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/110053504606231417660 [16:13] G+ Community: http://www.meetup.com/NORLUG-CHC/ [16:13] Switch those 2 links around :S [16:33] Very cool! [16:53] greg-g: i'm not talking about putting the hat on and swigging el toro [16:53] greg-g: get some higher end aguave tequila and sip. [16:53] derekv: tried it, no go for me [16:54] but also, I did crazy things when I drank it [16:54] maybe the fault of something else, but :) [16:54] or mix the same with mulched lime (or juiced lime juice) and soda water [16:55] hmm i can't drink ciniman schnapps because I get weird and destructive towards non living objects [16:56] thats totally not how you spell cinnamon [17:00] cinnanananaanamon [17:00] I think [17:03] I think I'm going to make a restaurant that only consists of a door that serves South-American hot drinks. I'll call it the Mate-Door.