[00:08] <brainwash> should I bother releasing a patch for users-admin to fix the "harmless" segfault on exit and cleanup some critical warnings? It looks like nobody cares about users-admin aynway
[00:12] <brainwash> it looks like quite some work to verify the changes and release a fixed package
[00:17] <knome> brainwash, we're still using that.
[00:20] <Noskcaj> skellat: you pinged?
[00:20] <Noskcaj> micahg: I didn't expect all of 4.11, i was just saying it would be far easier if it was all in experimental
[00:21] <Noskcaj> micahg: do you think i've done enough to apply for MOTU and/or xubuntu dev
[00:21] <Noskcaj> and one last thing, can you review my merge of xfce4-session?
[00:27] <micahg> Noskcaj: far easier for what
[00:28] <Noskcaj> For seeing what we want
[00:28] <Noskcaj> and if it's stable
[00:28] <micahg> Noskcaj: it's less about quantity than quality + experience, I'd need to review your latest stuff to tell you
[00:28] <micahg> Noskcaj: merge, probably tomorrow
[00:29]  * micahg is trying to finish up some work ATM
[00:29] <Noskcaj> ok, https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/xfce4-session/4.10.1-3 is my merge
[00:31] <Noskcaj> If there's anything i can do to help, let me know. All my stuff is done 
[00:37] <brainwash> there are still some changes pending for xubuntu-default-settings, low priority, but already 1 months old
[00:38] <brainwash> month
[06:03] <Noskcaj> Can we add http://www.thecodingstudio.com/?linux&release=Xubuntu%2013.10 to the "in the press" webpage
[06:43] <Noskcaj> brainwash, https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10395 has a patch now
[06:53] <Noskcaj> bug 1206739 being the original
[07:15] <Noskcaj> bug 1245355
[08:56] <ochosi> jjfrv8: i've gone through your prefs-docs, looks good so far! the remove-duplicates bug was recently fixed by bluesabre, so hope you can then update that part
[09:36] <slickymaster> good morning all
[09:56] <ochosi> hey slickymaster 
[09:56] <ochosi> nice work on the terminal-options, just read through that a bit earlier today
[09:57] <ochosi> the formatting has to be adjusted to fit the xfce-docs, but other than that it's the right direction!
[09:57] <slickymaster> ochosi: good monrning
[09:58] <slickymaster> ochosi: that's good. So, in your opinion, is any fix required?
[09:59] <ochosi> slickymaster: apart from the formatting (using "?" and "!" for the indentation) it looks good
[09:59] <ochosi> haven't had time to look what plugin of dokuwiki does that on xfce.org
[10:00] <slickymaster> ochosi: that's my problem. I didn't manage to find in dokuwiki either
[10:00] <slickymaster> find it ^^
[10:00] <ochosi> yeah, no problem though
[10:01] <slickymaster> ochosi: me and jjfrv8 decide to split the Usage section and I wanted to ask something
[10:01] <slickymaster> I'm going to insert a few screenshots and I'm in doubt as to the size to use
[10:03] <ochosi> bluesabre: could you please add this plugin to your dokuwiki installation? http://git.xfce.org/www/wiki.xfce.org/tree/lib/plugins/dl
[10:03] <ochosi> bluesabre: it should fix the missing stuff like "?" and "!" for the terminal-options page
[10:03] <ochosi> slickymaster: so i just found the missing plugin ^
[10:03] <slickymaster> ochosi: Yeah :)
[10:08] <ochosi> slickymaster: for the screenshots-size i'd say not much more than the screenshots here: http://docs.xfce.org/apps/terminal/preferences
[10:08] <ochosi> and generally speaking not more size than needed
[10:10] <slickymaster> ochosi: thanks, I'll follow the Terminal's ones as reference. And as soon as bluesabre add the plugin I'll reformat the command-line options
[10:11] <ochosi> cool, thanks for your help!
[10:11] <slickymaster> ochosi: np
[10:13] <bluesabre> installed, try it now
[10:13] <bluesabre> ochosi ^
[10:16] <bluesabre> and/or slickymaster
[10:17] <ochosi> oh, that was quick :)
[10:17] <ochosi> morning bluesabre 
[10:17] <bluesabre> morning
[10:17] <bluesabre> just dropped in as I was getting ready for work
[10:19] <ochosi> ah right, i'm also about to run out
[10:21] <slickymaster> bluesabre: thanks, I'll try later on. I'm having same issues with a database here at work I need to solve
[10:21] <bluesabre> ok, cool
[10:44] <knome> pleia2, http://jussi01.com/2013/10/28/kubuntu-polo-shirts-update/
[12:43] <slickymaster> ochosi: http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=command-line is reformatted to fit the xfce-docs
[15:22] <jjfrv8> ochosi, I don't know about using the gtk2-engines-xfce theme and the faenza icons for screenshots. It looks pretty bad.
[15:22] <jjfrv8> ochosi, http://imagebin.org/275043
[15:23] <jjfrv8> you were right about that theme not working with the playback control bar but also some of the icons are just missing.
[15:23] <jjfrv8> Can we just do our own thing and make it look as close as possible to the other xfce docs?
[15:25] <jjfrv8> I have to run and won't be back until maybe 21UTC but...
[15:25] <jjfrv8> slickymaster, I wanted to give you that heads up before you do too many screenshots.
[15:27] <jjfrv8> bbl
[15:44] <leif_> evning
[15:45] <slickymaster> jjfrv8, ochosi, I was planning on use the default theme and icons packed with xfce, Greybird and elementary Xfce
[15:51] <ochosi> slickymaster: that's xubuntu, not xfce itself
[15:51] <ochosi> jjfrv8, slickymaster: so let's just do "our thing" as jjfrv8 said. but please remain consistent with each other if both of you take screenshots
[15:51] <ochosi> or lets lay out the gtk/icon-theme by ourselves
[15:52] <ochosi> i think greybird and elementary-xfce is fine
[15:52] <ochosi> bluesabre: what do you think? ^
[15:53] <slickymaster> ochosi: Yeah, you're about those being Xubuntu and not Xfce
[15:53] <slickymaster> you«re righ ^^
[15:53] <ochosi> sure, but nevermind, i think we need to use something that works properly
[15:53] <ochosi> there is a version of the xfce engine for gtk3 though
[15:53]  * slickymaster has to re-learn how to type
[15:54] <ochosi> should make things look semi-normal again
[15:55] <slickymaster> ochosi: maybe we should wait for bluesabre view on the subject
[15:55] <ochosi> yeah
[15:56] <slickymaster> ochosi: has long as you're here, I've already corrected the indentation format in the command-line options section
[16:02] <ochosi> slickymaster: ncice, will check in a minute
[16:42] <pleia2> knome: do we want polos in addition to tshirts? (I don't wear polos, so I hadn't put much thought into them)
[16:43] <knome> pleia2, i was mostly referring to the shipping/production model
[16:43] <pleia2> oh :)
[16:47] <elfy> hi knome pleia2 
[16:47] <knome> allö elfy
[16:47] <ochosi> slickymaster: as --xv needs =true/false i'd add that to remain consistent with e.g. --display=DISPLAY
[16:48] <ochosi> slickymaster: the rest looks good! after bluesabre has time to take a look at it i'd say this part is finished
[17:54] <leif_> evning
[18:08] <elfy> evening leif_ 
[18:08] <leif_> hey
[18:08] <leif_> new user here
[18:08] <elfy> hi then :)
[18:09] <leif_> :)
[18:09] <leif_> still upgrading my lts 
[18:09] <knome> leif_, before you go further; if you have support questions or something related to that, please remember that #xubuntu is the right channel for that
[18:09] <leif_> ok
[18:10] <leif_> :)
[18:10] <leif_> thanks
[18:11] <leif_> a technical quistion does x ubuntu use the translation from ubuntu
[18:14] <knome> leif_, that kind of counts as a support question, but the answer is yes, where applicable
[18:14] <leif_> ok
[18:14] <leif_> is helping whit the translations on ubuntu
[18:16] <elfy> which is something you could talk about here ;)
[18:20] <ochosi> too late :>
[18:21] <knome> nah, he's reappeared in #xubuntu
[18:21] <ochosi> so there are still people who can only be in one place at one time?
[18:21] <knome> haha
[18:21] <knome> no
[18:22] <knome> he was in both, but only rejoined #x after /quit
[18:48] <brainwash> ochosi: so setting the required xwindowproperity (lightdm-gtk-greeter) and a simple rebuild of xfwm4 with the flag to enable background cloning would be the best solution, right?
[18:50] <brainwash> the user could use another display manager or lightdm greeter though
[19:12] <elfy> hi Noskcaj - you still going to be doing the social thing ? "I'd like to be the xubuntu representative unless elfy wants to." 
[19:12] <elfy> if you're not can you let me know please 
[19:13] <Noskcaj> Nothing has happened for that and i've not had the time/motivation for it.
[19:14] <elfy> I know that - if you're not going to do it if it comes up that's fine - I'd rather we just got on and did what we wanted for us anyway
[19:14] <knome> social what? :)
[19:16] <elfy> knome: it's referenced in the trusty plan ;) http://pad.ubuntu.com/SdHxBbkLTO
[19:16] <elfy> personally I think we'd be better doing it ourselves in the way we want when we want 
[19:17] <elfy> I just want to either have an item to add to blueprint for Noskcaj or to not have one
[19:17] <knome> elfy, is that integrated to the roadmap wikipage?
[19:17] <elfy> not at present
[19:17] <knome> ok, no hurries; we can do that sometime before thu's meeting
[19:18] <elfy> knome: hang on - the social thing or the trusty plan ?
[19:18] <knome> elfy, the outline of the trusty QA plan
[19:18] <knome> elfy, we will create more specific blueprints later, which should then have all the details / work items
[19:18] <elfy> there is a barebones outline there
[19:19] <knome> yeah, i've noticed that; linking the QA pad wouldn't hurt i'd say
[19:19] <elfy> was doing that :)
[19:20] <elfy> but I'll get at that page prior to the meeting as well
[19:20] <knome> sure
[19:20] <knome> thanks
[22:06] <bluesabre> ochosi, slickymaster: I'd be fine with that.  I think its interesting that xfce.org uses Greybird and Faenza, but they say only Xfce themes for the docs
[22:12] <brainwash> bluesabre: added a comment to bug 1232804, what do you think?
[23:55] <ochosi> brainwash: will test your patch asap
[23:55] <ochosi> thanks for looking into this issue
[23:58] <brainwash> ochosi: the patch is just a minimal approach, proof of concept
[23:58] <brainwash> and you need to rebuild xfwm4 ofc
[23:58] <ochosi> yeah, but i use it built from git anyway
[23:59] <brainwash> still requires a rebuild :)
[23:59] <ochosi> sure sure