[01:12] <kaendfinger> :) I have Ubuntu Touch installed
[01:12] <kaendfinger> I think lol
[01:12] <kaendfinger> The only problem is it is stuck at the "Google (Unlocked)" thing
[01:12] <kaendfinger> I was able to adb shell into it
[01:12] <kaendfinger> Busybox
[01:13] <kaendfinger> I assume its not actually booting into Touch yet?
[02:46] <FFForever> Hey hey. Has anyone successfully gotten ubuntu touch to work on the sgs4?
[05:27] <pitti> thomi, barry: I did seed one autopilot PPA, but not the experimental one
[06:19] <Guest57686> ive tried automatically installing ubuntu touch to mako now, and manually, but they both get stuck on boot at the google logo
[06:29] <Guest57686> can you use the volume rocker to wake the screen in touch?
[06:30] <RAOF> Guest57686: Empirically, no.
[06:34] <Guest57686> Thanks RAOF . thats going to be a problem then because i dont have a power button
[07:36] <AskUbuntu> Installing PPA:phablet | http://askubuntu.com/q/367714
[08:17] <mau> hi every body
[08:18] <mau> can anyone give me an idea where i can get and buy ubuntu phone?
[08:28] <dddddddddddddddd> http://www.n4checker.com/ Australia: IN STOCK!
[08:40] <pitti> anyone with a maguro here? Can you please send me the output of "uname -r"? (I'd like to verify it actually ends with "-maguro")
[08:44] <ogra_> pitti, root@ubuntu-phablet:/# uname -r
[08:44] <ogra_> 3.0.0-3-maguro
[08:46] <pitti> ogra_: danke
[08:47] <kapiteined> hi all, will the nexus 5 be supported by ubuntu?
[09:49] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Internet Day! :-D
[10:15] <mardy> cjwatson: FYI: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/click/+bug/1245826
[10:16] <blaze> hello
[10:26] <NeO_Sk8eR> hey all, i'm having some trouble building utouch for HTC One, anyone free to give me hand?
[10:29] <NeO_Sk8eR> gettint stuck here make: *** No rule to make target `/home/namir/Desktop/htcone/out/target/product/m7ul/obj/SHARED_LIBRARIES/libaudioamp_intermediates/export_includes', needed by `/home/namir/Desktop/htcone/out/target/product/m7ul/obj/SHARED_LIBRARIES/audio.primary.msm8960_intermediates/import_includes'.  Stop
[10:30] <NeO_Sk8eR> if i create that folder, it fails with same error, same folder but libaudioamp.so
[11:09] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:29] <otaku> may i ask a question? is 12.10 support the ubuntu phone OS install?
[12:30] <nerochiaro> zsombi: is it by design/normal that when we have anchorToKeyboard: true and the keyboard is showing, people can still pull up the toolbar from just above the keyboard ? it really looks and feels weird
[12:43] <nerochiaro> zsombi: also i see that the Page has an header property but it's deprecated. what's the right way to access the header now ? (to know its height and if it's currently visible etc)
[12:44] <zsombi> t1mp: ^
[12:45] <zsombi> nerochiaro: anchorToKeyboard is where?
[12:45] <nerochiaro> zsombi: mainview
[12:46] <zsombi> nerochiaro: ah, that one :)... well, that's more for the design, I'd say. it's weird to me, but if they want it like that...
[12:48] <nerochiaro> zsombi: ok, if you're sure design is fine with it then i'm ok too
[12:49] <crocket> hi
[12:49] <crocket> What will be the display server/compositor of ubuntu touch on phones and tablets?
[12:49] <crocket> X, wayland, or something else?
[12:51] <nerochiaro> zsombi: also any news on all these weird textChanged events ?
[12:52] <zsombi> nerochiaro: not there yet, I've been busy with some minor IMA fixes
[12:52] <nerochiaro> zsombi: i think i found a case when it's happeneing even wihtout the OSK visible
[12:52] <zsombi> nerochiaro: the onTextChanged?
[12:52] <nerochiaro> zsombi: i'll try to make a minimal test case and attach it to the bug
[12:53] <nerochiaro> zsombi: yes
[12:53] <ogra_> crocket, it is Mir (since a while already)
[13:00] <t1mp> nerochiaro: the idea is that you don't need to know whether the header is visible. its all automatic
[13:02] <nerochiaro> t1mp: but what if i do need to know ? in my case the header sometimes pop up on top of a list item that's being edited
[13:04] <t1mp> nerochiaro: well there is the __propagated.header property that has the header
[13:04] <t1mp> (propagated because it is propagated to the pages from the mainview)
[13:05] <nerochiaro> t1mp: hmm, ok, ugly but i guess that's what i need to use. i'll try to avoid it
[13:05] <t1mp> nerochiaro: yeah I propose you use that now.
[13:05] <nerochiaro> t1mp: ok, thanks
[13:06] <t1mp> nerochiaro: perhaps when you have the stuff working and you know what you need exactly from the header (+use cases) you can report a bug with a feature request
[13:07] <t1mp> nerochiaro: if you are trying to work around this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1202277 then don't worry about it, I am working on it
[13:11] <crocket> Mir
[13:11] <crocket> I think Mark Shutterworth is making a mistake.
[13:23] <nerochiaro> t1mp: no, it's not that bug. but thanks for the heads up
[13:26] <ogra_> mzanetti, fyi, tagesschau.de app is in the store
[13:27] <ogra_> (still ~10 more news apps to come, i have a scritp now)
[13:28] <mzanetti> ogra_: nice :)
[13:28] <mzanetti> ogra_: any success regarding the scrolling issue?
[13:29] <ogra_> mzanetti, nope, and the qml wrapper doesnt work
[13:29] <pandinus> hello to all
[13:29] <mzanetti> ogra_: do you have some example that shows the issue?
[13:29] <ogra_> (well, it works, but you cant have a back button or any other nav objects and there is no way to tell it to open external links in the browser)
[13:29] <mzanetti> ogra_: I could add that for you if you want
[13:29] <pandinus> i got a question regarding installing ubuntu touch on my nexus 4
[13:30] <ogra_> mzanetti, hmm
[13:30] <ogra_> mzanetti, i'm basing off darkers howto from http://daker.me/2013/10/package-your-webapp-for-ubuntu-touch.html
[13:31] <ogra_> (and the scrolling is exactly the same as in the browser with that)
[13:31] <mzanetti> ogra_: ok, perfect. I'll give it a shot later on and paste you over some code for the toolbar and the browser launching
[13:31] <ogra_> cool !
[14:38] <ogra_> davmor2, already tried r8 on maguro ?
[14:39] <davmor2> ogra_: r8 why's my image still on 5 then
[14:39]  * ogra_ has the feeling it is more responsive, but i'm not usre thats just wishful thinking 
[14:40] <ogra_> davmor2, oh, you are not on proposed i guess
[14:40] <davmor2> ogra_: I used system-inmage-cli to up dat I've had one ota from 4 to 5 and no more
[14:41] <ogra_> yeah, i didnt publish anything after 5 yet
[14:41] <ogra_> if 8 is good on the dashboard i'll push that one out
[14:42] <pitti> so, my dear friends
[14:42] <davmor2> ogra_: is phablet flash working now or do I still need to use system-image-cli
[14:42] <ogra_> for what ?
[14:42] <pitti> I wasted two days trying to understand adn reproduce our CI infrastructure and fix my tests only to find out that nothing is broken in them -- it's the unity-next PPA which breaks messaging-app
[14:42] <ogra_> you should use phablet-flash only for the initial flashing
[14:42] <davmor2> ogra_: to get to 8 without wiping all my data
[14:42] <popey> OTA update
[14:43] <pitti> boiko, awe_: ^
[14:43] <ogra_> you would need to switch channels to get r8
[14:43] <popey> you should be on trusty-proposed surely?
[14:43] <davmor2> popey: there is none past OTA
[14:43] <popey> depends on your channel
[14:43] <pitti> boiko: so I think https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/messaging-app/phonesim-tests/+merge/191121 is ready for landing
[14:43] <pitti> boiko: if for nothing else, then for holding back whatever breaks messaging-app in the unity-daily PPA (which hasn't landed in trusty yet)
[14:43] <awe_> pitti, ?
[14:44] <pitti> awe_: hey, how are you? made it safely to Oakland?
[14:44] <davmor2> ogra_: right so can I use system-image-cli to do that or is phablet-flash fixed so it doesn't wipe data now?
[14:44] <awe_> pitti, I'm good
[14:44] <awe_> ! in oakland
[14:44] <ogra_> davmor2, i dont think it is ...
[14:44] <ogra_> davmor2,  system-image-cli --channel trusty-proposed -b 0
[14:45] <pitti> awe_: who is the main reviewer for messaging-app, is that boiko too?
[14:45] <ogra_> and respectively with --channel trusty -b 0 if you want to go back
[14:45] <awe_> yes, I don't even know how to spell QML
[14:45] <awe_> ;D
[14:46] <pitti> awe_: no, my point was, it took me so long to land these effing tests because they keep proving crashes in mir and unity, and regressions in the unity-next PPA
[14:46] <kirkland> popey: ogra_: thanks guys, your instructions worked, I'm upgraded ;-)
[14:46] <awe_> ah, that sucks
[14:46] <pitti> awe_: whereas, we would have found out about these regresiosn/crashes and wouldnt't have gotten them in the first place if we had had the tests in trunk months ago :)
[14:46] <kirkland> popey: ogra_: now, I incorrectly entered my wifi password, and I can't figure out how to delete/edit/update it
[14:46] <ogra_> kirkland, yay
[14:47] <awe_> pitti, ack
[14:47] <awe_> kirkland, ;)
[14:47] <awe_> kirkland, delete the NM connection file
[14:47] <ogra_> kirkland, hmm, it should just ask again on the next connection attempt
[14:47] <davmor2> ogra_: running now
[14:47] <pitti> awe_: but anyway, PS jenkins rejects them on amd64, but I still think we should land them now due to that (as they work fine in trusty, it's teh PPA which breaks them)
[14:47] <awe_> it's in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections
[14:47] <awe_> no UI to do that yet
[14:48] <ogra_> awe_, shouldnt you just get a new snap decision to  enter it again if you try to connect and it is wrong ?
[14:48] <awe_> it's *supposed* to be fixed for 14.04, but currently no UI to edit NM connections on touch
[14:48]  * ogra_ saw that before here 
[14:48] <awe_> ogra_, yea...sure
[14:48] <kirkland> awe_: howdy!
[14:48] <awe_> first of all, for older WEP APs the only way to tell that the pw is bad, is you never get an IP address from DHCP
[14:49] <awe_> ogra_, it's basically a timeout style operation
[14:49] <ogra_> ah
[14:49] <ogra_> i have WPA2 here
[14:58] <sil2100> charles: ping!
[15:25] <daker> hi ogra_ question, does games coded with unity3d work on the phone ?
[15:26] <ogra_> daker, i think you need to ship everything yoou need for this in the click ... but beyond that i dont see why not
[15:26] <ogra_> pure GLES stuff should just work
[15:26] <sergiusens> ogra_, my mind is blank, what was the android-chroot command again? or is it gone?
[15:27] <ogra_> gone :)
[15:27] <sergiusens> ogra_, reason?
[15:27] <ogra_> people mistook it for a real chroot all the time
[15:27] <ogra_> which it isnt
[15:27] <ogra_> you are not actually inside the container ... it just chroots into the fs
[15:28] <ogra_> sergiusens, the proper fix would be to have lxc-console work, but i think stgraber said that wont be possible for us
[15:29] <ogra_> since we dont actually have a real console in android
[15:29] <sergiusens> ogra_, hmm, too bad, it worked well enough for me; was that in lxc-android-config?
[15:29] <ogra_> (which this command wants to connect to))
[15:29] <ogra_> yeah
[15:29] <ogra_> just grab it out of the tree from a former revision
[15:29] <sergiusens> ogra_, yup, that's why I asked :-)
[15:30] <ogra_> i didnt see a way how to actually make it enter the init session, else i would have kept it around ... with the potential to be fixed at some poiunt
[15:41] <stgraber> ogra_: well, you could use one of my patched kernels and use lxc-attach
[15:41] <stgraber> a bit outdated though: https://github.com/stgraber/linux/tree/mako-lxc
[15:41] <ogra_> stgraber, why cant we ship that patch (at least until FF) in our kernels ?
[15:42] <stgraber> I have mako and manta patched that way, grouper and maguro were too old to get a clean cherry-pick
[15:42] <ogra_> ah
[15:42] <stgraber> ogra_: it's a rather big patchset even for mako and manta: https://github.com/stgraber/linux/commits/mako-lxc :)
[15:42] <ogra_> oh, ok
[15:48] <boiko> pitti: for messaging and dialer apps, it is usually me and salem_ reviewing MRs
[15:49] <pitti> boiko: ack; tiago pinged me about it, seems he has a handle on that one
[15:49] <pitti> boiko: but I'll have to re-do that exercise again for the pending https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/dialer-app/enable-phonesim-tests/+merge/191248, so for load balancing I might ping you next time :)
[15:50] <boiko> pitti: yep, that's fine
[16:00] <charles> sil2100: pong!
[16:04] <ogra_> seb128, Laney, system-settings is very crashy for me with the latest image, i found http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/ubuntu-touch/_usr_bin_system-settings.32011.crash in /var/crash ...
[16:04] <seb128> ogra_, hey
[16:05] <seb128> ogra_, nothing changed in system-settings since saucy, got to be a bug in some other parts of the stack
[16:05] <ogra_> hey, enjoying the sprint ?
[16:05] <seb128> yes! ;-)
[16:05] <ogra_> seb128, yeah, other apps semm impacted too, but thats the only crash file i have :)
[16:05] <sil2100> charles: hi! I wanted to know something related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1233176
[16:06] <sil2100> charles: is this fixed? How is it supposed to work now?
[16:09] <kenvandine> i wonder if that crash is related to any qt libs updated without rebuilds
[16:09] <kenvandine> has any of the qt libs been updated in trusty?
[16:09] <seb128> kenvandine, That's Madness!
[16:09] <ogra_> kenvandine, http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/20131029.changes and http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/20131029.1.changes
[16:10] <ogra_> the image before was fine
[16:10] <seb128> ogra_, people is not responding, can't look at those
[16:10] <seb128> oh, now it does
[16:18] <kenvandine> ogra_, image 8?
[16:18] <kenvandine> ogra_, i just updated, not crashing for me
[16:19] <ogra_> kenvandine, mako or maguro ?
[16:19] <kenvandine> mako
[16:19] <seb128> ogra_, how do you reproduce the issue? is that happening on start?
[16:19] <ogra_> kenvandine, if i tap around a bit it eventually just vanishes off the screen here
[16:19] <kenvandine> ok... /me taps
[16:19] <ogra_> going here and there
[16:20] <seb128> it got to be a mir issue
[16:20] <seb128> kgunn, ^
[16:20] <ogra_> i had a few occurences where going to the battery panel was a pretty reliable crasher
[16:20] <ogra_> but later it didnt crash there anymore
[16:21] <ogra_> though it looks definitely like a more general issue ... i even manage to get the browser to crash here
[16:21] <kgunn> kdub: ^ can you try ?
[16:22] <kenvandine> ogra_, finally crashed..
[16:22] <charles> sil2100: looks like it should be in 13.10 now, it landed in indicator-datetime/13.10 in r277 and 13.10.0+13.10.20131023.2-0ubuntu1 was r280
[16:22] <kenvandine> took lots of clicking around
[16:22] <kgunn> ogra_: so you are reporting the crash ?
[16:22] <ogra_> kenvandine, strat it again, it gets more unsteable with each new start i think
[16:22] <kenvandine> interesting
[16:22] <ogra_> kgunn, well, i'm not sure against what :)
[16:22] <ogra_> kgunn, apps crash randomly
[16:23] <kdub> kgunn,  try what?
[16:23] <charles> sil2100: so, when an appointment is reached, there will be a snap decision that pops up, with two options, Dismiss and Show
[16:23] <kgunn> kdub: try image8 on mako
[16:23] <kenvandine> not starting now... well i get the famous white screen
[16:23] <kenvandine> could just be apport pegging my system slowing it down though
[16:23] <ogra_> kenvandine, yeah, popey  seems to get that for music app on his install
[16:23] <charles> sil2100: and if Show is chosen, the first alarm url associated with that appointment is launched
[16:23] <kenvandine> load over 9
[16:23] <ogra_> wow
[16:24] <ogra_> get gloves !
[16:24] <kdub> kgunn, i'll try... will take some time to save my work there and reflash though, stay tuned
[16:24] <kgunn> kdub: ogra_ is thinking he sees "new" crashing....but not sure exactly what
[16:24] <kdub> kgunn, why do we think mir? :)
[16:25] <kgunn> kdub:  :)  ....you know how it goes
[16:25] <kenvandine> well mir just landed
[16:25] <seb128> kdub, kgunn: because that's basically the only thing that changed on images this week
[16:25] <seb128> and the bug happen after some screen tapping
[16:25] <ogra_> kgunn, kdub http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/20131029.changes and http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/20131029.1.changes
[16:25] <ogra_> thats the set of changed packages
[16:25] <kgunn> kdub: seb128 ...sorry gotta pay attention to other things right now
[16:25] <ogra_> between the last working and the non working image
[16:26] <kenvandine> ogra_, you are right... it is easier to crash a second time
[16:26] <kenvandine> weird how it was more stable until the first crash
[16:26] <ogra_> yep
[16:26] <kenvandine> makes it feel less like it's the app
[16:26] <ogra_> yeah, which cant really be
[16:28] <sil2100> charles: sorry, got preempted to something else, ok so it's when you set-up an Alarm?
[16:28] <kenvandine> ogra_, yup... clicking around in dialer-app made it crash too
[16:28] <ogra_> right
[16:28] <kenvandine> so it seems like all apps
[16:28] <sil2100> charles: since I was using trunk on my device, set-up an alarm, waited until the time comes and nothing happened
[16:28] <ogra_> yeah
[16:30] <charles> sil2100: let me do some testing with it today and see what results I get. It was working for me right before the release, but it was very last-minute code
[16:30] <charles> sil2100: by virtue of its timing, I'd hold it with more suspicion than usual
[16:32] <kenvandine> ogra_, so dialer-app didn't really crash... it  isn't showing as running in the shell but the process is still running (since unity-mir) doesn't kill/suspend it
[16:32] <Saviq> seb128, where does settings app change the locale in?
[16:32] <kenvandine> but dialer-app is using 99% cpu
[16:32] <kenvandine> and i can't launch it again
[16:33] <ogra_> kenvandine, hmm, unity perhaps then
[16:33] <kenvandine> kgunn, ^^
[16:33] <seb128> Saviq, ~/.pam_environment
[16:33] <seb128> Saviq, why?
[16:33] <kenvandine> ogra_, i think the exception to keep it running is in unity-mir
[16:33] <Saviq> seb128, I need to put pl_PL in there ;)
[16:33] <ogra_> ah
[16:33] <seb128> Saviq, well, if it's not listed it's because it's not possible
[16:33] <Saviq> seb128, I know, I'll manage ;)
[16:33] <kenvandine> QProcess: Destroyed while process ("echo") is still running.
[16:34] <seb128> Saviq, locale -a to see the available locale, without the language-pack-base-pl you can't use that locale
[16:34] <kenvandine> in the upstart log for dialer-app
[16:34] <ogra_> ricmm, ^^^
[16:34] <Saviq> seb128, I know, have installed already
[16:34] <seb128> Saviq, well, the right solution is to go in write mode and install the langpack, that should make it be listed in the UI as well
[16:34] <seb128> and it's not listed in system settings?
[16:34] <seb128> weird
[16:34] <Saviq> seb128, ah, didn't check
[16:34] <Saviq> seb128, it did!
[16:34] <Saviq> seb128, didn't know it's dynamic, thanks!
[16:34] <seb128> Saviq, yw
[16:35] <ogra_> ricmm, could you take a look at image #8 ? apps randomly crash with that ... seems kenvandine can trace it down to unity-mir
[16:35]  * Saviq needs to do a lot of translations
[16:35] <seb128> Saviq, yeah it's dynamic, attente did a good job there ;-)
[16:40] <seb128> ogra_, kdub, kgunn, kenvandine: got a stracktrace for the .crash: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6324911/
[16:40] <seb128> looks like mir issues
[16:40] <seb128> or boost...
[16:42] <melvster> how hard is it to run desktop apps on an ubuntu touch ... let's say I have a long term goal to run a browser like opera ... how feasible would that be?
[16:43] <kdub> seb128, thanks
[16:46] <kdub> seb128, can we file a mir bug about it? seems mir-related enough
[16:46] <seb128> kdub, sure
[16:52] <ricmm> ogra_: sure they are crashing? might be oom
[16:52] <ricmm> I heard they only crash when out of view
[16:52] <ogra_> ricmm, oh ? did that change ?
[16:52] <kenvandine> seb128, kdub, ogra_: bug 1245958
[16:52] <ricmm> might be a misinterpretation of oom actually making the kill
[16:52] <ogra_> ricmm, no, they vanish underneath my fingers
[16:52] <ricmm> oh
[16:53] <ricmm> then thats a bug :)
[16:53] <ricmm> might be related to a change that landed in Mir
[16:53] <ricmm> about client buffer swapping
[16:53] <ogra_> yeah, see what kenvandine posted
[16:53] <ricmm> considering the shell doesnt seem to be affected
[16:53] <kenvandine> ricmm, and with dialer-app, it disappears but the process never dies
[16:53] <ricmm> I will put my first-take blame on that
[16:53] <kenvandine> but it pegs the cpu
[16:53] <ricmm> sounds like mir
[16:53] <kenvandine> yup
[16:53] <kenvandine> i filed it against unity-mir, please change that as needed
[16:53] <ricmm> I dont know the exact commit but my recommendation is to ping duflu
[16:54] <ricmm> and check ifhe can confirm that
[16:54] <ricmm> perhaps try with a rollback of it, unity-mir and platform-api havent changed so you could rollback and give it a shot
[16:54] <ricmm> the bumps there are to match the mir abi bumps
[16:55] <kdub> alan_g, alf_ http://paste.ubuntu.com/6324911/
[16:55] <davmor2> ogra_: so image 8 is smoother
[16:55] <ogra_> but totally broken
[16:56] <ogra_> see above
[16:56] <alan_g> kdub: context?
[16:56] <kdub> alan_g, applications are aborting on image8, thought you might know what may have changed in the client rpc code
[16:57] <davmor2> ogra_: shuggin fashin shuggin fashin dick dastardly
[16:59] <alan_g> kdub: that looks a bit strange - MirSurface::next_buffer() is not being called from the Mir API - I'll have to dig into the code...
[17:00] <kdub> yeah, i haven't seen it yet, will try to pin the scenario down
[17:00] <kdub> unless someone here already knows the scenario that makes it happen reliably
[17:01] <ogra_> use the system-settings, tap around in it for a while, see it vanish
[17:01] <ogra_> it isnt reliably reproducable ... seems ot happen to every app after a while
[17:02] <alan_g> kdub: Hmm ClientSurfaceInterpreter::driver_returns_buffer() has a call to surface.next_buffer() - I guess this is another thread where someone forgot about handling exceptions.
[17:03] <alan_g> It's a bit late in today for me to dig into now. But if you can get a complete stack trace I'll investigate in the morning.
[17:03] <kdub> alan_g, sure
[17:13] <alan_g> kdub: Maybe this is the problem alf just noticed/fixed - https://code.launchpad.net/~afrantzis/mir/remove-client-rpc-timeout/+merge/193094
[17:16] <kdub> alan_g, maybe...
[17:16] <thomi> barry: trusty AP packages should now be avaialble in the ppa:autopilot/experimental PPA.
[17:17] <barry> thomi: fantastic, thanks
[17:20] <thomi> barry: no worries, I think pitti did the actual work :)
[17:20] <thomi> but I'm happy to take the credit :)
[17:20] <barry> thomi: :)  it'll probably be tomorrow before i take a look
[17:27] <robert_ancell> ogra_, what is the magic command to update my phone to trusty?
[17:29] <ogra_> robert_ancell, system-image-cli -c trusty -b 0
[17:29] <ogra_> if you want to see whats going on, add -v
[17:29] <ogra_> (else it has no output at all)
[17:30] <robert_ancell> ogra_, thanks
[17:30] <barry> and --dry-run if you want to see what it'll do
[17:31] <robert_ancell> ah, was trying -u instead of -b here
[17:31] <ogra_> barry, bah, lame avoiding the risk takes out all excitement :P
[17:31] <barry> robert_ancell: yeah, that's a turd (no-op) option.  removed in the next release. ;)
[17:31] <barry> ogra_: :)
[17:39] <robert_ancell> ogra_, FileNotFoundError: http://system-image.ubuntu.com/pool/ubuntu-a542f511e5de48d2172a80244671b15a76a085eb6d69f16a473c514a9a4c524f.tar.xz:NETWORK ERROR
[17:39] <ogra_> woah
[17:40] <robert_ancell> ogra_, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6325242/
[17:40] <ogra_> robert_ancell, sounds like some proxy messup ... i can wget the file here
[17:40] <robert_ancell> ok
[17:41] <ogra_> barry, ^^^
[17:41] <stgraber> blame IS (assuming you are at the sprint) :)
[17:41] <ogra_> or am i wrong ?
[17:41] <robert_ancell> I can wget from my laptop, but not from the phone
[17:41] <barry> that's an error coming from the ubuntu-download-manager
[17:42] <robert_ancell> actually, I can also manually wget from my phone too
[17:42] <robert_ancell> I am at the sprint
[17:43] <ogra_> fun
[17:43] <ogra_> isnt kirkland there too ?
[17:43] <robert_ancell> I think so
[17:43] <barry> i think u-d-m logs to syslog.  you should check to see if anything shows up there
[17:43] <ogra_> i know he did the exact same procedure yesterday
[17:43] <ogra_> ask him what network he was on then :)
[17:43] <barry> and maybe ping mandel if he's around
[17:43] <kirkland> ogra_: i'm at home, waiting on a baby :)
[17:43] <ogra_> oh
[17:44] <ogra_> 'mericans reproduce often... 'mericans reproduce fast :)
[17:44] <ogra_> *g*
[17:44] <kenvandine> haha
[17:44] <ogra_> congrats too :)
[17:44] <kirkland> ogra_: thanks!
[17:45] <robert_ancell> I might just phablet-flash if no-one wan't to debug this - what's the command for that to get trusty?
[17:45] <ogra_> note that will wipe your data
[17:45] <robert_ancell> that's fine
[17:45] <ogra_> phablet-flash ubuntu-system -c trusty
[17:45] <robert_ancell> ta
[17:46] <ogra_> (or --channel trusty if you like long options)
[17:46] <robert_ancell> -c is not in my version
[17:46] <robert_ancell> but --channel is
[17:47] <sergiusens> robert_ancell, add a --boostrap to that
[17:47] <robert_ancell> ok
[17:47] <sergiusens> robert_ancell, ogra_ if you want to keep data bzr branch lp:phablet-tools and do it from there
[17:47] <sergiusens> without the --bootstrap of course
[17:48] <ogra_> yeah
[17:49] <ogra_> i would have pointed robert_ancell to you as a potential test victim ... but he didnt want to keep his data
[17:57] <seb128> mardy, still around?
[18:00] <AskUbuntu> Is there any way to run Ubuntu Touch 1.0 in VirtualBox? | http://askubuntu.com/q/368014
[18:12] <AskUbuntu> clock disappeared on Ubuntu Touch | http://askubuntu.com/q/368017
[18:13] <Vyom> hmm
[18:14] <Vyom> Does Alex gets the point of "its extremely buggy"
[18:16] <davmor2> ogra_: does that mean we can expect another version today?
[18:18] <ogra_> davmor2, not really ... we'll have to wait until there is a fix or someone rolled back the breakage
[18:18] <davmor2> ogra_: fair enough :)
[18:19] <Laney> cjwatson: For getting the desktop file from the click manifest, is it always going to be "hooks" → title → "desktop"?
[18:21] <balloons> iBelieve, ping
[18:21] <iBelieve> balloons, pong
[18:22] <balloons> iBelieve, so I'm working on fixing the filemanager ap tests
[18:22] <balloons> it seems there is indeed a bug in phone mode
[18:22] <balloons> cut/copy doesn't work for files or folders
[18:22] <iBelieve> balloons, that's strange
[18:23] <balloons> on my trusty phone the option doesn't exist. trying it manually, no go
[18:23] <iBelieve> balloons, the paste option should show up when a file is on the clipboard. If it doesn't, something isn't working with the clipboard
[18:24] <iBelieve> balloons, unfortunately I don't have a device to try fiddling around with it.
[18:24] <balloons> iBelieve, I was just looking in FolderListpage.qml
[18:25] <balloons> is that the place to look? ;-)
[18:25] <balloons> basically as you say if there is something there it the option should exist
[18:25] <iBelieve> balloons, yes, that is the place to look. The paste option should show up if pageModel.clipboardUrlsCounter > 0
[18:26] <balloons> can we debug it somehow?
[18:26] <iBelieve> balloons, lines 229-245
[18:26] <balloons> I do have a phone in front of me ;-)
[18:26] <balloons> how about the placing on the clipboard piece?
[18:27] <iBelieve> balloons, FolderListView.qml, lines 100 - 121
[18:27] <balloons> looks like folderlistview has that.. so I'll check the log to see if it gets there
[18:29] <iBelieve> balloons, btw, it works on the desktop, so it is something wrong on the phone
[18:29] <cjwatson> Laney: believe so
[18:29] <cjwatson> Laney: well, there's been some discussion of "hooks" -> "applications" or some such but assume yes for now
[18:30] <Laney> cjwatson: mmkay
[18:32] <iBelieve> balloons, I'm back again. My battery died :(
[18:32] <balloons> iBelieve,
[18:35] <iBelieve> balloons, ?
[18:36] <balloons> iBelieve, sorry just trying to figure out how to debug this
[18:36] <iBelieve> balloons, can you run it from the terminal?
[18:39] <balloons> yes i think so
[18:39] <balloons> I just don't see
[18:40] <balloons> found it ;-)
[18:45] <balloons> sergiusens, what's the best way to run a phone app from the terminal?
[18:46] <balloons> I thought just running it with qmlscene would fly, but it doesn't :-)
[18:49] <sergiusens> balloons, it's a compiled application
[18:49] <balloons> sergiusens, no, not compiled.. pure qml.
[18:49] <sergiusens> balloons, since when?
[18:50] <balloons> sergiusens, lol sorry.. I'm trying to run filemanager, not the dialer or phone app
[18:50] <sergiusens> balloons, oh
[18:51] <sergiusens> balloons, start application APP_ID=com.ubuntu.filemanager_filemanager_${version}
[18:51] <balloons> sergiusens, :-) I knew there was a launcher, I simply couldn't remember, ty
[18:51] <sergiusens> balloons, np
[18:53] <balloons> hmm
[18:53] <balloons> sergiusens, it doesn't seem to like "start application"
[18:53] <sergiusens> balloons, did you fill in the version?
[18:54] <sergiusens> balloons, check ~/.cache/upstart/application-click-com.ubuntu.filemanager_filemanager_$version.log
[18:55] <sergiusens> balloons, also if you reinstalled a click with a newer version you might need to rerun the apparmor hooks
[18:55] <balloons> I'm trying to run the preinstalled version
[18:55] <balloons> click doesn't seem to get it though.. it's weird
[18:56] <balloons> but I'm getting start: Unknown job: application
[18:56] <sergiusens> balloons, are you root and not phablet?
[18:56] <balloons> i am indeed root
[18:56] <sergiusens> balloons, application is a user session job :-)
[18:57] <balloons> yes I figured as much
[18:57] <balloons> let me look
[18:58] <balloons> init-ctl list shows me no such thing
[18:59] <balloons> initctl list-sessions has 1 upstart session running
[19:03] <balloons> sergiusens, ^^ thoughts? I'm running trusty build 5
[19:04] <cyphermox> bfiller: hey. with the fixes for address-book-app, it's worse.
[19:04] <sergiusens> balloons, I'm not following
[19:04] <bfiller> cyphermox: really?
[19:04] <cyphermox> bfiller: when I click a contact for the first time, now that's the only one that ever appears :)
[19:04] <bfiller> cyphermox: renato_ can you help with cyphermox issue. I tested it and it works for me
[19:04] <balloons> sergiusens, I believe application should show in the upstart job list right? I don't see it. start application is not a known job
[19:04] <cyphermox> I checked that I'm running the latest address-book-app, not sure if there are other pieces I should update too
[19:04] <cyphermox> renato_: ^
[19:05] <sergiusens> balloons, ah; how are you logging in to phablet
[19:05] <sergiusens> ?
[19:05] <balloons> I'm trying from the terminal app, and via adb shell
[19:05] <balloons> do I need to ssh in ?
[19:07] <balloons> sergiusens, 66
[19:07] <balloons> ^^
[19:07] <sergiusens> balloons, not really, ssh isn't needed
[19:07] <renato_> cyphermox, we have the fix for that
[19:07] <sergiusens> balloons, doing adb shell and then sudo -i -u phablet should be enough
[19:07] <renato_> let me see the status of the MR
[19:08] <balloons> sergiusens, should I get the latest devel image?
[19:08] <sergiusens> balloons, if you don't see any upstart application job no apps should launch
[19:08] <sergiusens> is that the casE?
[19:08] <sergiusens> if not, build #5 is fine
[19:09] <cyphermox> renato_: I know, that's landed... that's what I'm trying to test, but it's not working
[19:09] <renato_> cyphermox, did not land yet
[19:09] <balloons> wild.. as with everything I rebooted and reshelled in
[19:09] <cyphermox> renato_: really?
[19:09] <balloons> I see the application job now
[19:09] <renato_> cyphermox, https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/address-book-app/fix-contact-fetch/+merge/192966
[19:09]  * balloons scratches head
[19:09] <cyphermox> err
[19:10] <renato_> jenkins did not approve it
[19:10] <renato_> bfiller, could you approve it again?
[19:10] <cyphermox> ah, I could have sworn it did land... oh well, now at least it's clear
[19:11] <cyphermox> sorry for the noise ;)
[19:17] <Hashcode> ogra_ I've been investigating the differences on the loop mount system method.. seems like there are some cmdline params to set for that?
[19:20] <balloons> iBelieve, ok finally I have something :-)
[19:20] <iBelieve> balloons, great!
[19:20] <balloons> let me share with you via paste, 1 min
[19:23] <balloons> iBelieve, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6325809/. This is me trying to cut and copy a folder into another one
[19:23] <balloons> CliboardUrlsCounter after copy 0
[19:23] <balloons> <-- this is bad
[19:25] <peter-nexus7> hello! is there any way to force/turn on landscape orientation for an app i'm developing on nexus7?
[19:25] <iBelieve> balloons, that is bad. I'll take a look in minute
[19:26] <sergiusens> balloons, might mean your session died
[19:26] <peter-nexus7> it doesn't have to autorotate - just fixed landscape is enough
[19:26] <balloons> yea.. I was playing around for a long time.. it works now though, so ty sergiusens
[19:26] <balloons> peter-nexus7, I'm not sure.. mhall119 ^^
[19:30] <mhall119> peter-nexus7: there is a way to tell the app to auto-rotate, yes, but that may not be working right now on Nexus 7 builds
[19:31] <peter-nexus7> mhall119: I don't care about auto-rotate - fixed landscape is enough
[19:31] <mhall119> peter-nexus7: I don't think there is a way to do that, no, the Nexus 7's default orientation is Portrait
[19:33] <peter-nexus7> even for my own app?
[19:33] <mhall119> peter-nexus7: there might be some way, but the only options I know of are "Stick to the default orientation" and "Automatically change rotation based on the device's orientation"
[19:37] <t1mp> peter-nexus7, mhall119 the feature you ask for is work in progress. Should be there next week. You may want to track https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1239760
[19:37] <peter-nexus7> mhall119 ok - too bad... could you point me to the documentation for auto-rotate that I can start my own investigation from?
[19:42] <peter-nexus7> t1mp: thanks - that's a usefull information. So this bug states it's currently imposible from QML - is it also the case for Qt C++ code?
[19:45] <t1mp> peter-nexus7: it is not impossible from QML, but currently don't have it exposed in an easy way in our UITK (for example in the MainView).
[19:45] <t1mp> peter-nexus7: qml has a Screen variable that you can use for orienting your app.
[19:46] <t1mp> peter-nexus7: we use the Screen in our OrientationHelper (which is used by MainView, currently only enabling/disabling automatic orientation). See http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/trunk/view/head:/modules/Ubuntu/Components/OrientationHelper.qml how we use it.
[19:48] <t1mp> peter-nexus7: we like to make it easier if you use our UITK, and for that, the bug is being fixed.
[19:49] <balloons> iBelieve, any thoughts?
[19:49] <t1mp> peter-nexus7: sorry, gotta go now. If you need some help you can ping me  tomorrow, or ask someone else from the UITK team. kalikiana is working on that bug (actually, waiting for my review of his merge request)
[19:50] <mhall119> peter-nexus7: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-1.0/Ubuntu.Components.MainView/#automaticOrientation-prop
[19:51] <iBelieve> balloons, sorry, forgot about it. I'm wondering if it has something to do with not being able to access the clipboard under confinement. I just read an email on the mailing list about copy/paste not working (I assume that was with text)
[19:51] <peter-nexus7> t1mp just to make sure I understand - if I use this Screen variable than I'll be able to manually rotate screen on Nexus7, right?
[19:52] <balloons> iBelieve, is it an apparmor rule we can add?
[19:52] <iBelieve> balloons, no idea. I know hardly anything about confinement and apparmor.
[19:53] <t1mp> peter-nexus7: yes, that is what I think. But we also manipulate it in the MainView (using OrientationHelper), so if you use the Screen variable AND a MainView, they might conflict. So if weird stuff happens, try it in a separate program without a MainView.
[19:53] <t1mp> peter-nexus7: and I guess when our bug is fixed you can do it in an easier way using the UITK.
[19:55] <t1mp> peter-nexus7: I think ideally we make it so that you set MainView.automaticOrientation to false, and specify the rotation angle to give you landscape mode. But it is not working yet until the bug is fixed.
[19:57] <peter-nexus7> t1mp: thanks - I'll try it out. Good to know it's most probably be possible
[19:58] <t1mp> peter-nexus7: you're welcome.
[19:58]  * t1mp off now.
[20:04] <kalikiana> peter-nexus7: once the bug is fixed you can use OrientationHelper { orientationAngle: 90 } like in the example given in the bug report
[20:05] <kalikiana> the problem is that QML defines "window" whenever it feels it likes to, so the bug is to fix the race condition
[20:08] <jdstrand> balloons, iBelieve: I don't have any context, but if apparmor is blocking something, you will see a denial in /var/log/syslog. eg: grep DEN /var/log/syslog. if you see a denial that shouldn't be there, please file a but against apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu
[20:09] <jdstrand> s/a but/a bug/
[20:09] <balloons> jdstrand, ty for the heads up
[20:09] <joneblade> hello all!
[20:10] <balloons> jdstrand, iBelieve i don't see anything in there.. just tried :-)
[20:11] <joneblade> I have install ubuntu phone os to non-Nexus phone. It's possible?
[20:11] <balloons> iBelieve, I guess we couldn't patch a fix then as a workaround since it's not going to the cluipboard
[20:12] <balloons> is there another way to do it?
[20:13] <joneblade> ERROR:phablet-flash:Unsupported device, autodetect fails device
[20:14] <iBelieve> balloons, Probably the best thing to do would be to file a bug on the File Manager, attach the logs you have, and let the backend developer, Carlos, know since he probably knows best what is going wrong and how to debug it.
[20:14] <joneblade> how can you get around this?
[20:14] <balloons> iBelieve, noted, I'll do it
[20:14] <iBelieve> balloons, thanks!
[20:16] <balloons> iBelieve, so assign to whom? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-filemanager-app/+bug/1243854
[20:16] <balloons> I forgot there was a bug already for this :-)
[20:18] <iBelieve> balloons, I assigned it to Carlos. He is the backend developer
[20:24] <WebbyIT> What's left of Android in Ubuntu Touch ?
[20:24] <popey> WebbyIT: not much
[20:25] <mhall119> WebbyIT: some drivers and kernel stuff, not sure what's in the LXC container anymore
[20:26] <WebbyIT> popey, mhall119 thanks :)
[20:26] <mhall119> popey's "not much" is pretty accurate though :)
[20:26] <WebbyIT> popey, when will we restart to have weekly meeting for core-apps? :)
[20:26] <mhall119> getting PulseAudio, GStreamer and Mir working has, I think, replaced most of the Android services that were being used
[20:27] <WebbyIT> I want to improve the calculator :P
[20:27] <WebbyIT> mhall119, uou, thanks :)
[20:27] <mhall119> WebbyIT: you don't need to wait for meeting for that :)
[20:27] <Grumman> hello all
[20:27] <WebbyIT> mhall119, need design input ;)
[20:28] <mhall119> ah
[20:28] <Grumman> i have installed ubuntu mobile on my maco (nexus 4) everything works fine exept the ubuntu desktop feature. I connect it to a monitoe with the slimport adapter but nothing happens..... any suggestions?
[20:29] <WebbyIT> Grumman, convergence is not ready yet
[20:29] <balloons> iBelieve, while I have you.. can you look at this in a minute? https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/ubuntu-filemanager-app/fix-ap-tests-with-trusty/+merge/193113
[20:30] <Grumman> WebbyIT, thank you that explains a lot! :)
[20:30] <Grumman> Is there any developer version I can use?
[20:31] <iBelieve> balloons, sure
[20:31] <Grumman> I soo want it on my test phone!!! :)
[20:31] <iBelieve> balloons, approved
[20:32] <WebbyIT> Grumman, afaik, no
[20:32] <Grumman> :(
[20:32] <Grumman> thanks a lot for the info!
[20:33] <WebbyIT> Grumman, yw
[20:35] <Saviq> Mirv, hey, bug #1244549 would be fixed if we release unity-notifications and notify-osd
[20:35] <Saviq> Mirv, think we could get those released?
[20:38] <Mirv> Saviq: needs a Landing Asks
[20:39] <Mirv> Saviq: I added it to Asks, can you check it looks correct? last line
[20:41] <Saviq> Mirv, +1
[20:41] <Mirv> thanks
[21:10] <crocket> Mir
[21:10] <crocket> If the display server is Mir on ubuntu touch, will X11 applications run on it?
[21:27] <Mirv> kdub: any update on the unity-mir / app crasher issue?
[21:27] <Mirv> ie bug #1245958
[21:29] <kdub> Mirv, not yet, messed up my device
[21:51] <melvster> hi all anyone know how to search for an app?
[21:51] <melvster> i just got a message that bitcoin is now in the ubuntu touch store
[21:51] <melvster> but I cant seem to get it
[21:51] <ulkesh> i know it's not officially supported, but does anyone know if a ubuntu touch build has been made for the nexus 7 2nd gen (2013)?
[21:55] <melvster> oh ... wasnt connected to wlan
[23:28] <Mirv> ulkesh: not according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices which hopefully would mention it if someone would be doing the port at the moment
[23:40] <ulkesh> Mirv: thanks for the info and the link!
[23:48] <cyphermox> bfiller: so, address-book-app going to be in proposed soonish
[23:48] <bfiller> cyphermox: great, thanks
[23:48] <cyphermox> bfiller: however, I was able to make it crash various ways, I filed bug 1246130 about this
[23:50] <bfiller> cyphermox: ok, think it may be related to something in the system - seeing lots of apps crashing in today's proposedd image
[23:50] <cyphermox> bfiller: and it just died on my for no reason at all
[23:50] <cyphermox> ok
[23:50] <bfiller> cyphermox: yup
[23:50] <cyphermox> alright
[23:50] <cyphermox> anyway, going to be in proposed soon
[23:52] <bfiller> sergiusens: ping
[23:52] <bfiller> sergiusens: what's the process to run autopilot tests for click packages?