[00:29] <AlanBell> yay, download completed, 44.4 GiB of source pulled (main is 7.3 GiB) in about 3 hours
[00:31] <penguin42> make
[00:33] <AlanBell> heh
[00:41] <penguin42> AlanBell: So how many Pi's are you going to use
[00:42] <AlanBell> dunno
[00:43] <penguin42> 10, 100?
[00:43] <AlanBell> one for the wanna-build machine and repository, another couple as buildd machines until I prove it works as a concept, then I will add a bunch more
[00:44] <AlanBell> and I can keep adding them until it goes fast :)
[00:45] <predator8bit> hello, I have a little bit of a problem connecting to some hotspots, I have a wireless router which is secured by password and I can connect to that, but at a local place I cant connect to an unsecure one
[00:45] <predator8bit> meaning my wireless card is fine, but somethings up with it at the same time
[00:45] <AlanBell> I am contemplating doing a kickstarter/indiegogo thing for the build farm, and making it a permanent thing
[00:46] <AlanBell> predator8bit: maybe try going to edit connections and delete the saved details for that connection
[00:47] <predator8bit> been there, didnt work
[08:02] <knightwise> hey everyone
[08:06] <shauno> morning
[08:09] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:10] <MartijnVdS> is it Nexus 5-day yet?
[08:10] <knightwise> hey MartijnVdS shauno
[08:10] <knightwise> how are you guys
[08:10] <knightwise> I have played with the new nexus 7 in the store this week
[08:10] <knightwise> also looks pretty spiffy
[08:10] <MartijnVdS> but it's not a phone ;)
[08:10] <MartijnVdS> my Galaxy Nexus is starting to fall apart
[08:14] <knightwise> I have a note2 at the moment
[08:14] <knightwise> pretty pleased with it so far
[08:16] <MartijnVdS> I prefer the Nexuses, because of the lack of crapware
[08:16] <knightwise> true
[08:16] <knightwise> although I must say the samsung was pretty ok
[08:16] <knightwise> they didnt add a lot of crap
[08:17] <knightwise> hmm .. i just installed snownews on my system
[08:17] <knightwise> nice clean rss newsreader
[08:17] <knightwise> but no way to import my google reader opml files :(
[08:18] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: I use feedly.com for that
[08:18] <knightwise> So do I
[08:18] <knightwise> but I wanted a command line reader too
[08:18] <knightwise> its very un-distracting to just read on a ablack background
[08:18] <MartijnVdS> Feedly's "night" theme? ;)
[08:21] <knightwise> also something I could try
[08:21] <knightwise> But I like to work in the command line from time to time
[08:21] <knightwise> that way I can just my thing on my little home server while tunneling away via an SSH tunnel
[08:21] <knightwise> so work technies cant snif my traffic
[08:22] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: look into ssh -D ;)
[08:23] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: it sets up a Socks proxy you can point your browser at, so all your browser traffic seems to come from the ssh connection's other end
[08:23] <knightwise> I also played with SSHuttle
[08:23] <knightwise> also very cool beans :)
[08:24] <knightwise> but i work on a windows machine at work :(
[08:24] <knightwise> so I don't have a lot of fancy linux dingdongs
[08:24] <knightwise> only putty
[08:24] <knightwise> and an ssh tunnel :)
[08:34] <SpookyMatt> morning
[08:36] <AlanBell> morning
[08:40] <knightwise> hey AlanBell
[08:40] <diplo> Morning all
[08:58] <daubers> Morning
[09:20] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:32] <diddledan> morning brobostigon
[09:49] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Internet Day! :-D
[09:49] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: do we all get a free Internet?
[09:49] <JamesTait> YES!
[09:50] <MartijnVdS> \o/ free internets
[09:50] <JamesTait> * See MartijnVdS for details
[09:51] <directhex> free internets! only $3.99 each!
[09:53] <knightwise> anyone want some salt on his free internet today ?
[09:55] <diddledan> directhex: plus applicable taxes and shipping
[10:10] <MartijnVdS> also, void where prohibited.
[10:34] <arsen> i wana build a shared linux host for say 2-3 users, with large cpu/memory for some intensive software, and have them all use say... vnc or something to connect to it and use simultaneously. All of this as opposed to say.. buying 3x high powered desktops that spend 50% of their time doing nothing. i was looking at like .. vmware or something as some sort of logical seperation, but i'm now thinking i can probably just do this natively in linux - but my difficult
[10:35] <arsen> thinking aloud, but could be a fun system to build.
[10:36] <MartijnVdS> arsen: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultiseatX ?
[10:37] <arsen> ooh, thanks :D
[10:42] <arsen> so i guess i'd like to do it over the network (then i can use a rackmount server with significantly higher spec) - is that feasible? i think the limitation comes from vnc being able to handle multiple displays.
[10:47] <MartijnVdS> arsen: you can use "remote desktop"
[10:50] <MartijnVdS> arsen: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ThinClients
[11:09] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:11] <BigRedS> Goood Morning!
[11:28] <Myrtti> hum
[11:29] <arsen> hoe hum, this could get pretty complex. can't help but think ESXi with some flexible hardware limits would tick the box
[11:39] <arsen> daftykins  o/
[11:39] <daftykins> hi sir
[11:39] <daftykins> just reconfigured my router... after my ISP remotely reset it...
[11:39] <daftykins> day after i'd left the island =|
[11:39] <arsen> hmph.
[11:39] <arsen> where you at these days?
[11:39] <MartijnVdS> how rude!
[11:40] <daftykins> just returned to Guernsey after a little over 10 days galavanting around England
[11:40] <directhex> wait, an arsen and a daftykins and a directhex?
[11:40] <daftykins> this can mean only one thing...
[11:40] <directhex> just like old times!
[11:40] <daftykins> XD
[11:40] <arsen> \o/
[11:40] <directhex> mandatory http://bash.org/?search=directhex&sort=0&show=25
[11:40] <arsen> ffs
[11:40] <daftykins> should we wear black hats and crowd around a fire?
[11:40] <arsen> showed my boss that again the other day.
[11:40] <daftykins> lmao
[11:40] <daftykins> i remember that day.
[11:40] <arsen> "look at me - i'm internet famous for being a 'tard"
[11:41] <arsen> ive not even clicked the link, i know what it is :<
[11:41] <daftykins> best part was i thought the same but instinctively poked a key :(
[11:41] <MartijnVdS> arsen: aww :)
[11:41] <daftykins> arsen: how be thee?
[11:41] <daftykins> in fact how are we all?
[11:42] <directhex> NAKED! erm, i mean, meetings all day and definitely not naked
[11:42] <arsen> i think that was ~10 years ago :p
[11:42] <daftykins> yep
[11:42] <daftykins> we're THAT old.
[11:42] <arsen> depressing eh.
[11:42] <MartijnVdS> directhex: only the bit that's visible on the webcam is clothed, right?
[11:42] <directhex> maybe a bit less
[11:42] <directhex> closer to 9 years
[11:43] <directhex> MartijnVdS, my majestic torso cannot be contained!
[11:43] <daftykins> directhex: it doesn't soften the blow
[11:43] <directhex> MartijnVdS, nah, i'm wearing a t-shirt with offensive text on it
[11:43] <daftykins> Fliss begs to differ
[11:43] <arsen> i wish i could wear offensive tshirts :(
[11:44] <MartijnVdS> arsen: you can!
[11:44] <arsen> i could put it under my shirt i guess.
[11:44]  * MartijnVdS gives arsen permission to do so
[11:44] <daftykins> hah
[11:45] <arsen> hey here's somethign i thought of the other day - is anyone aware of an infrastructure/hardware style channel on freenode?
[11:45] <arsen> geared towards.. enterprise/business kit, rather than gaming PCs.
[11:45] <mungbean> a bit like the server room forum on ars techinca?
[11:46] <arsen> kinda yeah. i just find myself dealing with hardware a lot recently and i have nobody to talk about it with :D
[11:46] <MartijnVdS> arsen: your $hardware_company representative! ;)
[11:46] <mungbean> i have same problem
[11:46] <mungbean> with ibm kit
[11:47] <MartijnVdS> mungbean, arsen: Start a channel :)
[11:47] <arsen> yeah, sales guys just want sales though :)
[11:48] <arsen> yeah i did - didn't know what to call it, made #infrastructure and was surprised nobody was in there already.
[11:48] <mungbean> Cannot join to channel #sysadmin (You must be invited)
[11:48] <arsen> that's probably why nobody is in there. xD
[11:48] <MartijnVdS> #big-hardware?
[11:48] <mgdm> try ##sysadmin
[11:48] <mgdm> (wild guess)
[11:48] <mungbean> Cannot join to channel ##sysadmin (Bad channel key)
[11:49] <mgdm> ah well
[11:49] <arsen> i'll stick with #infrastructure - covers more than just servers i guess.
[11:49] <directhex> * Now talking on ###sysadmin
[11:49] <MartijnVdS> directhex++
[11:50] <mungbean> try #reddit-sysadmin
[11:50] <arsen> now to remember how to ircadmin.
[11:50] <daftykins> arsen: :o you gonna make that server we spoke of?
[11:54] <arsen> which what where? :o
[14:20] <andrewebdev> anyone with nodejs experience able to help me with this? http://askubuntu.com/questions/367846/how-can-i-install-older-version-of-node-less
[16:41] <Azelphur> Does anyone know when you hit the criteria for fibre being too slow and requiring repairs?
[16:42] <Azelphur> I'm only getting 31.15mbit on my up to 72mbit line
[16:47] <daftykins> O_O
[16:47] <mungbean> i wonder what the cost difference between dyson hand dryer and the mistubishi almost identical ripoffs
[16:48] <mgdm> Messiest urinals ever, those
[16:48] <daftykins> XD
[16:51] <Azelphur> This is pretty bizarre actually, if I test on bbmax I get 60mbitish
[16:51] <Azelphur> but everywhere else, consistently poor results.
[16:52] <AlanBell> Azelphur: you are plugged directly into it? no wifi or anything else in the way?
[16:52] <Azelphur> ethernet to router running dd-wrt to fiber modem
[16:52] <AlanBell> you can plug direct into the ADSL2 box if you install pppoe
[16:53] <AlanBell> but yeah, that should be fine, if the router is fine
[16:54] <Azelphur> yea, routers fairly beefy
[16:54] <Azelphur> WRT610N running DD-WRT, it's always been high performance
[16:56] <daftykins> what are you getting on real world transfers?
[16:57] <Azelphur> 2MB/sec from my server in NYC (dedicated 1gbit)
[17:02] <AlanBell> Azelphur: we are getting a fairly solid 69.73Mbps down our line as measured by speedtest.net
[17:03] <Azelphur> It's speeding up a tad now, managed to get 45. Seems to have /huge/ jumps in speed o.O
[17:04] <Azelphur> but yea, http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3065455675 and http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3065489100
[17:04] <Azelphur> those two tests are only 20 minutes apart
[17:05] <AlanBell> bit of local contention maybe
[17:05] <Azelphur> maybe, that's a huge amount of contention
[17:06] <Azelphur> don't mind us, just overselling your 70mbit connection down to 20. xD
[17:10] <Seeker`> Azelphur: Originally, BT Infinity required at least 16 mbit I think
[17:11] <Azelphur> I see, not hitting the threshold...just
[19:14] <AlanBell> how can I locally test the speed of my wireless network card?
[19:15] <AlanBell> I have something that is on the wired lan I guess I could netcat stuff to it, I just wonder if there is a tool that just does it
[19:16] <ali1234> i used wget for it
[19:17] <ali1234> fetching the same file over and over on a loop
[19:17] <ali1234> then running md5sums on it
[19:17] <ali1234> got loads of errors, i think it was a bad card
[19:19] <popey> iperf
[19:19] <popey> AlanBell: iperf -s on one box, iperf -c <ip of other box> on the other
[19:20] <DJones> popey: Are you ok for a pm
[19:21] <popey> anytime
[19:29] <AlanBell> thanks popey, exactly what I wanted
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> hey, twitter now expands photos by default
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> from supported services
[20:06] <arsen> nload is also handy if you want to view your inbound/outbound on an interface - means you can see the bandwidth ceiling pretty easily :P
[20:23] <diddledan> two for tuesday sounds tempting
[21:01] <Azelphur> oh wow, I figured out why my internet is having issues
[21:01] <Azelphur> great, it's cleanfeed.
[21:01] <Azelphur> welcome to chinafiltering folks, it only goes downhill from here.
[21:05] <Azelphur> can't load pretty much any pages on imgur any more, since all the traffic is trying to be routed through talktalks crappy cleanfeed server that can't take the load, time to tunnel all traffic on port 80 I guess. -.-
[21:06] <diddledan> Azelphur: ouch
[21:06] <diddledan> that's bad
[21:06] <Azelphur> yup
[21:06] <Azelphur> $ ping -c 20 imgur.com 20 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 19142ms
[21:06] <Azelphur> I get 1 packet through every 200 or so.
[21:06] <moreati> Azelphur: httpseverywhere might do https://imgur.com/ the can't filter want they can't decrypt
[21:07] <Azelphur> this is actually a very good test of it
[21:07] <diddledan> 99.5% packet loss, nice
[21:07] <Azelphur> I'm gonna try and load the exact same image, at the exact same time, https and http, see what happens.
[21:07] <diddledan> are any other sites affected or is it only imgur?
[21:08] <Azelphur> only imgur.
[21:08] <Azelphur> and the packet loss is inside talktalk
[21:08] <shauno> Azelphur: curiously, I've heard that on other ISPs recently; http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/Up-to-60Mb-Speed/imgur-com-very-slow/td-p/2007786  and http://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/1orqkp/imgur_blocked_for_virginmedia_customers/
[21:08] <Azelphur> shauno: yes, that's how I figured it out.
[21:08] <Azelphur> looks like it's done at the IP level too, so I can't even get through on HTTPS.
[21:09] <diddledan> and this is why I sign every petition I come across related to censorship
[21:09] <MartijnVdS> time to come to .nl! no censorship like that *by law*
[21:09] <Azelphur> \o/
[21:09] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: damn you dutch!
[21:09] <Azelphur> now I can't browse reddit since 99% of the content is on imgur
[21:09] <Azelphur> :(
[21:09] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: *bless
[21:10] <ali1234> i told you not to get talktalk
[21:10] <shauno> I've said for years that it's much easier to be british when you don't have to live there.  it's not meant to sound as mean as it ends up though
[21:10] <ali1234> i told you....
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: can't you call your ISP and say you're over 18 and want the adult internet, or something
[21:10] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: cleanfeed superceeds that.
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> wow, evil
[21:10] <Azelphur> ali1234: yea, I wonder if I could use this as means to break contract
[21:11] <Azelphur> SSH tunneling to my server in USA for now, imgur works fine again :)
[21:19] <penguin42> shauno: I seem to be able to get imgur from vm
[21:20] <Azelphur> penguin42: yea, but all the traffic is being cleaned through virgins cleanfeed server
[21:20] <Azelphur> and when that's slow, or unusable, you get imgur (and other sites) inaccessible
[21:20] <Azelphur> which is what I'm getting now, only talktalk.
[21:22] <penguin42> Azelphur: Interestingly I am seeing odd things with google maps/image searches with it having problems with lots of open connections - e.g. an image search where it displays hundreds of iamges I'm seeing a lot stalling
[21:22] <Azelphur> fun
[21:28] <moreati> penguin42: long shot, does your router have a public IP? What your decribing sounds like a failure mode of carrier grade NAT
[21:28] <penguin42> moreati: Yes it does have public IP
[21:29] <penguin42> moreati: However, whether Google sees those IPs directly or whether it ends up going through some hideous combination of caches/'transparent' proxies/filters then who the heck knows
[21:40] <shauno> odd, those are both almost entirely https here
[21:40] <penguin42> shauno: Do they do that for things like image search results?
[21:41] <shauno> they go even stranger for image results, they use data: blobs instead of making another request
[21:45] <shauno> google have a very bizarre idea of optimization, since everything comes out of the object storage anyway, it doesn't actually make any difference to them whether its served as a static asset or not
[21:59] <diddledan> google's in a pretty unique position in that everything needs to be dynamics
[21:59] <diddledan> --s
[22:01] <shauno> it's not so much that it needs to be.  it's pretty much the default.  you prefer static or cache because the filesystem is faster than filesystem+exec or filesystem+preprocessor
[22:02] <shauno> their backend is their object storage either way.  so shoving the results of the query out in one huge chunk is faster than having you make 60 http requests, 60 requests off the object storage, etc.  they have no filesystem to prefer
[22:17] <shauno> can't help thinkign ad heuristics are quite broken.  booked a room at a hotel, because I've stayed there a few times and like the location.
[22:17] <shauno> it now pops up as a little text ad in every single youtube video
[22:39] <Myrtti> dwatkins: guess what?
[22:39] <Myrtti> wow. So much doge!
[23:24] <penguin42> shauno: Sigh yes, I hate getting ads for things I've already bought - months before
[23:29] <Azelphur> wheee, this is fun. TF2 just released the halloween update, so we put up a server running the event, which filled in ~5 seconds
[23:29] <Azelphur> then another...and another...and another, we're now running 10, 32 slot event servers (so 320 players)
[23:29] <Azelphur> shifting 55mbit/sec xD