[00:00] <ochosi> well i also need to rebuild the greeter
[00:00] <brainwash> however, you did not notice the flicker anyway, so you won't see any difference
[00:00] <brainwash> or?
[00:00] <ochosi> well i see *some* screen-corruption
[00:00] <ochosi> it's not a clearly grey background
[00:01] <ochosi> so i can see whether your patch improves my situation
[00:01] <ochosi> i assume it works for you?
[00:02] <brainwash> uhm, I did not test this patch in particular
[00:02] <ochosi> you mean you didn't test your own patch? :D
[00:04] <brainwash> I messed around with the code and created the patch afterwards from scratch
[00:04] <brainwash> the idea is still the same
[00:05] <ochosi> well i'd say it's more useful if *you* test it than if *i* do
[00:05] <ochosi> :)
[00:06] <brainwash> yeah, I guess
[00:07] <brainwash> didn't want to release a diff of my local greeter copy
[00:07] <ochosi> and anyway, posting patches that you didnt test yourself is only useful if you can't reproduce a bug
[00:07] <ochosi> sure, but why not clean it up locally and test it before uploading the patch to lp?
[00:08] <brainwash> it's not meant to be a final patch, work in progress
[00:08] <ochosi> sure, still
[00:09] <brainwash> I'll test it, it's nothing complex anyway and the idea should be clear
[00:09] <ochosi> yup
[00:09] <ochosi> agreed to that
[00:10] <brainwash> but still, it will only work if the user actually uses the lightdm gtk greeter
[00:10] <ochosi> yeah, but i thought we're trying to resolve this specifically for xubuntu
[00:10] <ochosi> then we can see whether other distros pick it up
[00:13] <jjfrv8> ochosi, bluesabre, slickymaster, just to nail down this screenshot thing, I thought I would note all the details in a draft on the wiki. http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=playground:sceenshot-stds
[00:14] <jjfrv8> Judging by what's been discussed so far, I think the only thing left to decide is whether to use a custom highlight color or not.
[00:14] <ochosi> jjfrv8: well done!
[00:14] <jjfrv8> I was using a darker color than the default to try to make it match the xfce stuff a little closer.
[00:14] <ochosi> yeah, i don't have a particular preference here. but if we do use a custom highlight-color, we should note it's hex-color-value so ppl without gtk-theme-config can easily reproduce it
[00:15] <jjfrv8> good point
[00:16]  * Unit193 wonders if he should get brainwash to figure out the bug he found with xfwm.
[00:18] <pleia2> oh goodie, will brainwash fix all the things?
[00:18] <jjfrv8> bluesabre, if you can give us your vote on the draft, then I guess we can proceed. Tell me if I'm off base about the file size thing, too.
[00:18]  * ochosi hopes so
[00:18] <bluesabre> I certainly hope that brainwash takes the title "official fixer"
[00:20] <bluesabre> jjfrv8: yeah, I wonder if we should have the latest elementary-xfce and greybird for best support?
[00:20] <bluesabre> ochosi ^
[00:22] <brainwash> tzzzz
[00:22] <ochosi> bluesabre: latest as opposed to what? version from S?
[00:22] <brainwash> ochosi: ok, tested now
[00:22] <ochosi> brainwash: so it works?
[00:22] <brainwash> it appears to work
[00:23] <bluesabre> maybe, I know the icon theme at least has minor fixes like document-open-symbolic, repeat, shuffle
[00:23] <ochosi> hm true
[00:23] <ochosi> then let's use the git-version always
[00:23] <brainwash> ochosi: well, no compile errors and so on, and no flicker after login
[00:23] <ochosi> parole will always be a first-class citizen in elementary-xfce anyways
[00:23] <ochosi> brainwash: sounds promising!
[00:23] <ochosi> brainwash: i'll give it a shot asap then
[00:24] <brainwash> no need to hurry
[00:24] <bluesabre> shimmer-project daily ppa? https://launchpad.net/~shimmerproject/+archive/daily
[00:25] <Unit193> Anyway, to get it in the devel channel rather than offtopic (since it's now not just a crazy me issue.)  Clicking and holding onto minimize then hitting alt+tab makes xfwm hang.
[00:26] <ochosi> bluesabre: +1
[00:26] <brainwash> holding minimize.. why would you do that? :D
[00:27] <bluesabre> oh, nice find Unit193
[00:27] <bluesabre> and darn it, you froze my xfwm
[00:27] <Unit193> brainwash: Actually, I even dragged it to the center of the screen then hit alt+tab the first time. :P  Answer: I don't exactly know, it was late at night and I didn't want to minimize it anymore.
[00:27] <Unit193> bluesabre: TTY, killall and it'll respawn fine.
[00:27] <brainwash> it does not freeze for me
[00:28] <ochosi> brainwash: how does the compile-option for xfwm4 look like exactly?
[00:31] <brainwash> ochosi: config.h, #define MONITOR_ROOT_PIXMAP 1
[00:32] <ochosi> ok, will see whether it changes anything for me
[00:33] <ochosi> brb
[00:36] <ochosi> brainwash: doesn't seem to work for me. i can in fact see the grey bg now :)
[00:37] <ochosi> but it might be due to other components being from git, like xfdesktop etc
[00:38] <ochosi> anyway, time to go to sleep
[00:38] <ochosi> night everyone!
[00:38] <brainwash> good night
[00:38] <jjfrv8> night, ochosi 
[00:38] <ochosi> brainwash: as soon as i get a chance, i'll re-test this in a cleaner env
[00:38] <ochosi> (might not be tomorrow though)
[00:38] <brainwash> ochosi: make sure  #define MONITOR_ROOT_PIXMAP 1  does not get overwritten
[00:39] <ochosi> well yeah, just now it becomes clear to me that editing config.h is pointless
[00:40] <brainwash> it's a generated file :D
[00:40] <ochosi> yeah
[00:40] <ochosi> see, i'm too tired for this s***
[00:42] <brainwash> Unit193: oh right, I'm using a custom built xfwm4 version, maybe that's the reason I cannot reproduce the freeze
[00:46] <ochosi> brainwash: so why not add to the bugreport how to build xfwm4 exactly so that also tired ppl can do it? :]
[00:47] <brainwash> read the autotools manual :)
[00:48] <brainwash> maybe that a good opportunity for me to learn how to setup a PPA
[00:48] <brainwash> mmh
[01:09] <Unit193> brainwash: Rolling from git right?  So pointless to report as it's already fixored.  Gotcha.
[01:10] <brainwash> Unit193: probably, well, go ahead and test it
[01:19] <brainwash> Unit193: default xfwm4 shipped by saucy does not freeze either
[01:21] <brainwash> I clicked on the minimize button and kept holding it while triggering alt-tab, nothing special happened
[01:24] <Unit193> Got 2 people to confirm, 2 people deny. >_<
[01:28] <brainwash> the usual procedure would be to check log files
[02:28] <Unit193> brainwash: Yeeep.  dmesg, syslog, xsession-errors, and startxfce said nothing.
[08:02] <Unit193> brainwash: As of late, suspend in Xfce somehow hasn't actually suspended the system, but pm-suspend works and resumes correctly it'd seem.
[08:04] <Unit193> Calling it over login1: Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Failed: Operation already in progress
[09:58] <slickymaster> good morning all
[10:05] <knome> morning slickymaster 
[10:05] <slickymaster> knome: hi, good morning
[10:34] <brainwash> Unit193: right, that's bug 1184262 which nobody is able to fix, not even the mighty pitti (he isn't affected by the issue though)
[10:42] <slickymaster> ochosi, jjfrv8, bluesabre, I've been through yesterday's log and it seems that there are no final conclusions on what theme and icons to use for http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=usage
[12:50] <jjfrv8> slickymaster, I think the theme and icons have been decided on. We just need bluesabre to weigh in on the custom highlight color.
[12:53] <jjfrv8> slickymaster, and bluesabre wants us to use the PPA that I put in the draft screenshot standardization document: http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=playground:sceenshot-stds
[13:09] <jjfrv8> And slickymaster, can you put your usage draft here? http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=playground:slickymaster
[13:09] <jjfrv8> instead of on the main wiki page.
[13:10] <jjfrv8> We can combine yours and mine later after they are reviewed.
[13:13] <jjfrv8> but upload your screenshots to root>wiki>usage-menu-items. That way we won't have to move them later when we move the doc pages.
[13:13] <jjfrv8> does that make sense?
[14:21] <brainwash> interesting request bug 1245870
[14:28] <slickymaster> jjfrv8: absolutely. It's clear as water :)
[14:30] <slickymaster> jjfrv8, bluesabre, as soon as bluesabre has a decision on the custom highlight color we're good to go
[14:31] <jjfrv8> yup
[14:46] <jjfrv8> slickymaster, bluesabre, per ochosi's recommendation, I listed the custom highlight color number in the draft standards doc.
[14:47] <slickymaster> jjfrv8: you'll have to send me the url to the draft standards doc
[14:48] <jjfrv8> slickymaster, http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=playground:sceenshot-stds
[14:49] <slickymaster> jjfrv8: oh, I see. Thanks a bunch
[14:49] <jjfrv8> np
[21:08] <knome> bluesabre, you around?
[21:15] <knome> ochosi, ?
[22:10] <bluesabre> slickymaster, jjfrv8; I'm cool with the highlight color, I'll try to update my screenshots accordingly
[22:10] <bluesabre> knome: yes
[22:14] <knome> bluesabre, i commented on the bug and then noticed you had noticed the same thing and went over it in #shimmer. so nevermind
[22:14] <bluesabre> ah
[22:14] <bluesabre> which bug?
[22:14] <Unit193> The fun ones, Bug 1245355
[22:15] <bluesabre> ah
[22:15] <bluesabre> yeah, I'll try to get an upstream fix on that today or tomorrow