[03:07] <leif_> morning
[03:37] <leif_> :)
[03:41] <cfhowlett> leif_, morning in China, midnight in the states.  How about: Greetings!
[03:41] <leif_> sorry
[03:41] <leif_> :)
[03:42] <leif_> those time zones
[03:42] <cfhowlett> leif_, what'd you need help with
[03:42] <leif_> nothing atm
[03:42] <leif_> maybe there is a oftopic for xbuntu
[03:42] <cfhowlett> !ot
[03:43] <leif_> ok sorry
[03:43] <leif_> still new at this
[03:43] <cfhowlett> no worries.
[05:00] <Kleedrac> Hey guys - I'm doing the 13.10 upgrade but it's spent the last hour on libots0 - is this an issue?
[05:04] <vrkalak> I did it .. upgraded to 13.10
[05:05] <Kleedrac> vrkalak: I take it yours didn't hang on libots?
[05:05] <vrkalak> it fairly simple really
[05:06] <vrkalak> and no errors
[05:06] <vrkalak> xubuntu 13.04 to 13.10
[05:06] <cfhowlett> Kleedrac, clean install is always an option ... the better option IMO
[05:07] <Kleedrac> cfhowlett: I hate doing that because it takes me a while to get everything set up the way I like it and this is one of my daily-use machines
[05:07] <cfhowlett> Kleedrac, put /home in a separate partition.  point to /home on the new install.  done;.
[05:08] <cfhowlett> Kleedrac, but I do understanc
[05:08] <cfhowlett> *understand*
[05:08] <Kleedrac> cfhowlett: /home is its own partition actually but wouldn't I still have to install/configure dropbox, btsync, oo.o, etc etc etc?
[05:23] <cfhowlett> Kleedrac, sorry, afk.  user settings will be retained in /home so configurations, etc. should carry over.  if there's an app upgrade though, reconfigure
[05:24] <Kleedrac> cfhowlett: I kinda figured - sadly I'm more of a windoze user as my daily driver (games man) but for school I figured it was a good idea to stretch my linux muscles :)
[05:24] <Kleedrac> Torrenting the 13.10 iso as we speak
[05:25] <cfhowlett> Kleedrac, your upgrade is still stuck?  abnormal behavior
[05:26] <Kleedrac> Yeah libots0 is still being unpacked (or so the ubuntu overlords would have us believe)
[05:26] <cfhowlett> Kleedrac, I think not.  could be a mirror issue.  get your torrent, md5sum check and install that puppy
[05:27] <Kleedrac> Sounds like a plan
[09:27] <silv3r_m00n> hi there, i am trying xubuntu 13.10, when i open youtube it says you need additional plugin to play videos, but when i close the popup, the videos start playing, howcome ? dont i need to install the flashplugin-nonfree package ?
[09:28] <well_laid_lawn> my guess would be html5
[09:28] <well_laid_lawn> I don't know why the popup pops up
[09:44] <silv3r_m00n> well_laid_lawn: oh yes, its html5
[10:31] <xubuntu793> hii
[10:31] <xubuntu793> somebody on?
[10:31] <xubuntu793> i got a short question
[10:32] <knome> !somebody | xubuntu793
[10:32] <ObrienDave> we have a bunch of short answers LOL
[10:33] <xubuntu793> I try to run a ".run" file. Now i try to type in "./name.run"  but the terminal ist just doing a new prompt. what could be the problem?
[10:33] <xubuntu793> Thank you for your support
[10:34] <xubuntu793> is it possible to get any output why it is doing nothing?
[10:37] <xubuntu793> !details
[10:38] <ObrienDave> cool, a self help group ;)
[10:38] <xubuntu793> :(
[10:39] <ObrienDave> !patience
[10:42] <xubuntu793> I try to run a ".run" file. Now i try to type in "./name.run"  but the terminal ist just doing a new prompt. what could be the problem?
[10:42] <xubuntu793> Thanks
[10:42] <koegs> analyze the .run file!
[10:43] <xubuntu793> how can i do this?
[10:43] <xubuntu793> open the code?
[10:43] <koegs> first you can try "file yourrunfile.run" and it will show which type the file is
[10:44] <koegs> if it is a shell-script or something like that, you can open it with a text editor
[10:44] <xubuntu793> ok ill give u the output
[10:45] <xubuntu793> ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (GNU/Linux), statically linked, stripped
[10:45] <xubuntu793> running 64bit OS
[10:47] <koegs> where did you get that file?
[10:49] <xubuntu297> qualche italiano che mi può aiutare??
[11:09] <xubuntu601> qualche amico italiano che mi può aiutare????
[11:09] <cfhowlett> !it
[11:58] <gdos> Hello. No issues, so far, with Xubuntu 13.04 other than my fonts are not rendering correctly (i.e. some fonts are not displaying at all, especially when using xfce-terminal); This is quite annoying. I've already cleared out my local user cache and settings as well as reset the font cache but still not displaying correctly.
[12:35] <gdos> HELP! No issues, so far, with Xubuntu 13.04 other than my fonts are not rendering correctly (i.e. some fonts are not displaying at all, especially when using xfce-terminal); This is quite annoying. I've already cleared out my local user cache and settings as well as reset the font cache but still not displaying correctly.
[12:57] <gdos> HELP! No issues, so far, with Xubuntu 13.04 other than my fonts are not rendering correctly (i.e. some fonts are not displaying at all, especially when using xfce-terminal); This is quite annoying. I've already cleared out my local user cache and settings as well as reset the font cache but still not displaying correctly.
[13:00] <koegs> http://www.patience-is-a-virtue.org/
[13:04] <xubuntu172> hey everybody,i've got a problem. after restart the live cd i use actually changed it's language from german to, i think bangladesh i read anzwhere in the settings and now i dont know how to turn it back, is there any way how to_
[13:05] <knome> xubuntu172, save your work and boot the live cd again; you are able to pick the language from the login
[13:05] <xubuntu172> doestn work, with anz language i choose it just come  this crap..
[13:12] <xubuntu172> any other ideas?
[13:13] <koegs> where did you download the image for the live-cd?
[13:15] <xubuntu172> on xubuntu.org
[13:36] <gdos>  HELP! No issues, so far, with Xubuntu 13.04 other than my fonts are not rendering correctly (i.e. some fonts are not displaying at all, especially when using xfce-terminal); This is quite annoying. I've already cleared out my local user cache and settings as well as reset the font cache but still not displaying correctly. Only monospace font is used.
[13:41] <knome> gdos, you've said that every 30 minutes now and no answer; what about searching in other places, like forums?
[13:42] <gdos> yep. even googled it. found similar answers though no real solution.
[13:42] <gdos> knome: or at least a solution that works.
[13:46] <bgardner> gdos: Got a screenshot for us?
[13:46] <gdos> bgardnet: yea where do i paste it?
[13:47] <bgardner> !paste | gdos
[13:48] <gdos> bgardner: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-10292013-074738am.php
[13:49] <bgardner> gdos: Hm, and what font does your terminal *think* it's using?
[13:50] <gdos> bgardner: all of my apps/settings can't seem to get out of monospace.
[13:50] <gdos> i went so far as to 'reset' my xfce settings (by removing .local .cache and .config directories)
[13:51] <bgardner> gdos: Not sure what you mean by that.  The displayed font in your screenshot is clearly not a monospace font.
[13:51] <gdos> hold on i'll take a screenshot of the settings and also of the font list.
[13:53] <gdos> bgardner: terminal preferences - http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-10292013-075303am.php
[13:55] <gdos> bgardner: font list - http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-10292013-075408am.php (as you can see i choose for this demonstration 'courier new ' which should obviously be different than the default monospace which as it appears, is not)
[13:57] <gdos> *BRB*
[14:00] <gdos> *BACK*
[14:02] <gdos> ok i just tried installing nvidia drivers 304 and still same issue.
[14:02] <bgardner> gdos: Never seen anything like that before, hang on a moment while I do some research.
[14:02] <gdos> ok.
[14:03] <bgardner> gdos: Any interesting font-related messages in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[14:04] <gdos> i can't even copy / paste that to look at it so hold on while i look.
[14:07] <gdos> bgardner: here is the log from /var/log/Xorg.0.log  -  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6324105/
[14:08] <gdos> it looks like my font paths are in-correct?
[14:09] <bgardner> gdos: No, I checked yours against mine and you actually have more than I do.
[14:10] <gdos> OK.
[14:12] <asd__123123123> how to install fonts on xubuntu 11.10. They are .otf
[14:12] <asd__123123123> sorry 13.10 is version
[14:13] <gdos> bgardner: whenever i try and copy paste something (or move around and hover or links), the fonts shift.
[14:15] <bgardner> gdos: My apologies, but I'm not finding anything - fonts aren't really my specialty, though - perhaps someone else can weigh in with a suggestion.
[14:18] <gdos> it only seems to happen with certain apps (like xchat) so i'm thinking since its not obviously a driver issue, could it be a QT (what xfce uses) issue or some other font rendering issue (for example does not happen with webpages but installed apps).
[14:21] <bgardner> gdos: Try a webpage that you know shows a monospace font - like your pastebin link above.  Does it also show monospace correctly?
[14:21] <gdos> yes.
[14:22] <gdos> monospace is the only font that xserver seems to let me use and even then it displays oddly as I've stated.
[14:22] <bgardner> gdos: But not errors in your Xorg.0.log.  Hm.
[14:22] <bgardner> *no
[14:23] <gdos> exactly.
[14:23] <gdos> would it be a QT issue? currently QT5 is installed. would I break anything if I reverted to QT4 ?
[14:24] <bgardner> gdos: What Xubuntu version are you running?
[14:24] <gdos> 13.04
[14:26] <bgardner> gdos: I don't know the answer to your QT question, but I would be very leery of doing such a downgrade if I were you.
[14:27] <bgardner> gdos: My own plan would be to dig deeper for font-related messages first.
[14:27] <bgardner> gdos: Admittedly, not sure yet where to look that we haven't already...
[14:30] <bgardner> gdos: Have you checked file permissions on /usr/share/fonts and below, just for fun?
[14:33] <gdos> bgardner: looking now.
[14:35] <gdos> bgardner: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-10292013-083451am.php
[14:35] <gdos> same results for all folders & files under /usr/share/fonts
[14:36] <bgardner> gdos: Same as mine.  :P
[14:37] <gdos> so i'm wondering would it hurt to do a force re-install of xubuntu-desktop ? and how would i do that through the command line ? would that reset most system wide settings back to default ?
[14:41] <bgardner> gdos: I don't know, I would guess 'sudo apt-get --reinstall install xubuntu-desktop' and probably not.
[14:42] <gdos> bgardner: i found this - http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/pureubuntu - wonder if i changed that from 'purge' to '--reinstall install' ?
[14:43] <gdos> and removed that last part?
[14:44] <bgardner> gdos: Do you have a good backup?
[14:45] <gdos> yea.
[14:46] <bgardner> gdos: One moment, checking something.
[14:46] <gdos> just did a 'test' and it only wants to install NEW: libindicate and libotr - wonder if that is significant?
[14:48] <bgardner> gdos: Just found a reference to the "right" way to do this, and it confirms that "sudo apt-get install --reinstall xubuntu-desktop" is correct.
[14:49] <gdos> OK.
[14:49] <bgardner> gdos: If I were you, that would be my next move.
[14:57] <XATRIX> Hi guys, why i don't see any color output when i do ".... | grep --color=auto grep-some-phrase" ?
[15:01] <bgardner> XATRIX: Which terminal?
[15:01] <thinair> Does it support colors?
[15:01] <gdos> bgardner: it seems like none of my settings are being saved. wonder if that is a key? (btw, reinstalling xubuntu-desktop didn't work, neither did rebooting into an older kernel.
[15:02] <bgardner> gdos: Like which settings?
[15:02] <XATRIX> bgardner: xfce4-terminal
[15:02] <gdos> bgardner: xchat for example. even simple apps like leafpad and mousepad.
[15:03] <bgardner> gdos: Start checking your permissions on your home directory, and yes, that could be related.
[15:04] <GridCube> gdos, rename your .bashrc for a moment and relog
[15:04] <bgardner> XATRIX: Can you show a screenshot?  Do this command: echo test | grep test --color=auto
[15:05] <XATRIX> Yes, now i see color output
[15:05] <XATRIX> Wait a bit
[15:05] <XATRIX> Can my 'screen' command inside my xfce4-terminal cause troubles ?
[15:05] <XATRIX> I work under screen
[15:06] <bgardner> XATRIX: I would suspect so, yes.
[15:06] <XATRIX> (
[15:06] <bgardner> XATRIX: Probably not a deal breaker, you just have to figure out how to configure it
[15:06] <XATRIX> Yea , i'm on it
[15:06] <XATRIX> But still have no idea tho
[15:07] <bgardner> XATRIX: Check your screen man page and come back here if you can't find a solution
[15:07] <XATRIX> aright , thanks
[15:07] <gdos> ok.
[15:08] <bgardner> gdos: Any luck with either permissions check or using GridCube's suggestion?
[15:09] <gdos> bgardner: all permission settings are as i suspected as they should be.
[15:09] <bgardner> gdos: Okay, then try what GridCube suggested next.
[15:10] <gdos> bgardner: ok. also, i tried pterm and for some reason the fonts are small (as if its reading some other settings), when i had pterm installed on xubuntu 12.10 the fonts were much larger.
[15:12] <gdos> bgardner: here is my pastebin of /etc/default/console-settings - http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6324444/
[15:17] <bgardner> gdos: Well, based on the docs /etc/default/console-settings seems to only apply to genuine consoles (not *term windows under X), which you said work properly, yes?
[15:17] <GridCube> gdos, does this happen to the guest user as well?
[15:17] <gdos> bgardner: yes that is correct and i just tried 'konsole' (kde terminal emulator) and am able to change fonts fine there and seem to display correctly! HOWEVER, when I *DO* select a font, NOT all fonts are listed. coincidence?
[15:19] <bgardner> gdos: I have little experience with KDE, so not sure if that is related or not.  Do please try the guest login suggestion and let us know what you get there.
[15:19] <gdos> but this 'font issue' happens in not just xfce4-terminal but other apps as well (such as xchat); why is konsole the only app that is displaying my fonts correctly?
[15:19] <gdos> bgardner: will do.
[15:21] <gdos> GridCube: ok just tried guest account. same thing.
[15:21] <gdos> and tried 'konsole' there as well. same thing.
[15:26] <gdos> found this - http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/tag/pure-xubuntu/
[15:29] <GridCube> gdos, konsole uses qt and not gtk
[15:29] <GridCube> so its using a complete different rendering engine
[15:29] <gdos> GrigCube: so gtk might be broken?
[15:32] <GridCube> it could be, i have no idea, all i know from seeing your questions in this channel in the last weeks is that you have tinkered with your system so much that anything could be faulty
[15:35] <gdos> but this is from a fresh install of xubuntu :)
[15:35] <gdos> i've ran all the 'hardware tests' i could think of and hardware checks out fine.
[15:48] <gdos> GridCube: must be a gtk issue (or something not configured correctly in an install script?). i ran all of these listed here - http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/tag/pure-xubuntu/ - now my fonts seem to work (so far for the most part still verifying)
[15:49] <bgardner> gdos: When you said this was a new install, was it a new install to a blank partition or an in-place upgrade?
[15:50] <gdos> bgardner: blank partition. somehow something i did screwed up my apache2 settings so i decided to do a 'fresh' install of Xubuntu 13.04
[16:09] <kRush> what's the problem with amd prop. drivers and 13.10?
[16:18] <ClaudiuT> hello
[16:18] <ClaudiuT> are there any USB .img images available with the latest version of Xubuntu?
[16:19] <Sysi> the .iso one can be used like .img one
[16:19] <ClaudiuT> ok, thanks!
[17:12] <brauleinchen> im trying to upgrade to 13.10 but I cannot pass the !downloading release tool" part, it dowloands the second file (2 of 2) and then nothing
[17:13] <brauleinchen> 64 bits
[17:13] <GridCube> brauleinchen, have you tried to switch mirrors?
[17:17] <brauleinchen> apparently it worked, thanks GridCube
[17:20] <xubuntu329> chiedo aiuto ad italiani, ce ne sono?
[17:20] <xubuntu329> chiedo aiuto ad italiani, ce ne sono?
[17:42] <xubuntu807> hi friend..... i needdd help....
[17:42] <xubuntu807> please...
[17:42] <xubuntu807> hablo espanol and italian...
[17:42] <xubuntu807> my ingles is ok ...
[17:42] <xubuntu807> i have 1 problem xubuntu....
[17:42] <xubuntu807> wirels problem...
[17:43] <GridCube> !details | xubuntu807
[17:43] <GridCube> please try to write in one sentence
[17:44] <GridCube> !it | also xubuntu807
[17:44] <GridCube> but you are welcome here
[17:44] <xubuntu807> :D 1000 tak ...  gracias thanks....
[17:45] <xubuntu807> i like linux.... but i have 1 problem ... i have 1 dell inspiron. 1501 ... xubuntu... the problem is wirels.. drivers wireles.. no work..... no have internet in that pc... who can fixie that..... please.. please
[17:49] <xubuntu807> ??? who???
[17:50] <bazhang> !wifi | xubuntu807
[17:53] <teratoma> brand new install of xubuntu and a new user.  the sound applet in the top right doesnt work. how can i fix?  http://i.imgur.com/HNiFwMo.png
[17:56] <GridCube> teratoma, very anoying known bug 1208204, see comment 5 for an easy fix, comment 41 to a deeper fix, see bug 1238997 for a long term solution
[17:56] <GridCube> yes, i have that copied on a text file
[19:10] <juken> Hi all, with the PrintScrn button, is there a way to select a region you want to copy to the clipboard?
[19:11] <juken> I know I've had the capability in the past, not necessarily with xubuntu, but it was an option before (looks like the same script/application) as well... perhaps just a different version or perhaps a plugin.
[19:17] <bgardner> juken: Yes, in Settings->Keyboard change the shortcut for Print from "xfce4-screenshooter -f" to "xfce4-screenshooter -r -m"
[19:21] <juken> bgardner: thanks, will I need to restart my session?
[19:21] <bgardner> juken: Nope
[19:24] <juken> bgardner: Hmm... If I add in the -r the dialogue no longer comes up
[19:25] <bgardner> juken: Did you change it to -r -m?
[19:26] <juken> bgardner: ah, I see, that works.
[20:25] <noobrulezz> hiiiii
[22:22] <asd> does anybody know what should i do with sound icon on panel?   http://i.imgur.com/g3HaTWV.png
[22:30] <xubuntu990> hello xubuntu
[22:51] <brauleinchen> hi
[22:52] <brauleinchen> i am now upgrading to 13.10, the upgrade tool is downloading new packets. If i turn off the machine,next time i resume the upgrading, will it start from scratch or will the already downloaded files still be there?
[22:58] <David-A> brauleinchen: i don't know for sure, but i would guess they are saved. (however, if you interrupt the process after it changed sw sources and before completion, you may have a real mess to untangle)
[22:59] <brauleinchen> David-A, ok
[22:59] <brauleinchen> thx
[23:25] <agentgreen420> Is there a known bug in xfce4-terminal involving dragging tabs from one window to another? Because sometimes, randomly, it just doesn't seem to work.