[03:18] <ahoneybun> hello all
[04:16] <ScottK> I may be able to make it anyway.
[04:16] <ScottK> Sched change.
[05:58] <cortexA9> hello
[07:38] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:58] <jussi> ahoneybun: you can now go ask in #ubuntu-irc for an ubuntu cloak ;=) (if you want one)
[08:02] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: zing
[08:02] <Quintasan> jussi: \o
[08:02] <jussi> Quintasan: heya
[08:18] <soee> good morning
[08:23] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: morning
[08:24] <Quintasan> Ah, there you are
[08:24] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Where are you collaborating with detrout?
[08:24] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: packaging and stuff for ktp?
[08:24] <Quintasan> Y
[08:24] <Quintasan> I'm sick, laying in bed. Thought I could be more productive.
[08:25] <shadeslayer> ah
[08:25] <Quintasan> I still have no freaking idea how to use gbp
[08:25] <shadeslayer> today is not going to be a productive day, too many things to do apart from work :/
[08:30] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1246214] kde-window-manager (4:4.11.2-0ubuntu1): missing dependency @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1246214 (by aanno)
[08:33] <Quintasan> jsahd;lkjsahoi;
[08:33] <Quintasan> holy shit how is this supposed to wrok
[08:34] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Can you into git-buildpackage?
[08:43]  * valorie passes some hot tea to Quintasan
[08:43] <valorie> feel better soon
[08:43] <Quintasan> Thanks
[08:45] <Riddelll> morning friends
[08:46] <valorie> oooo, Riddelll is wagging an extra L today
[08:46] <valorie> dang, I need to go to bed.....
[08:47] <Quintasan> \o Riddelll
[08:47] <valorie> this day was too short!
[08:47] <lordievader> Whoo, is today special that it deserves an extra 'l'?
[08:48] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: not really :S
[08:49] <Quintasan> I must be doing something wrong
[08:49] <Quintasan> trying to do git-import-orig
[08:49] <Quintasan> it fails to work and whines about conflicts
[08:49] <Riddell> just means I got disconnected from freenode at some point :)
[08:50] <lordievader> ;)
[09:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: I attend whenever the rest of the world has time :P
[09:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: very good of you, 2000UTC tonight it is
[09:09] <valorie> oh my, I don't think I'll be around
[09:10] <valorie> oh well, I'll listen to the recording if I'm not
[09:10] <valorie> haven't had a chance to test mumble this release yet anyway
[09:10] <valorie> niters all
[09:11] <apachelogger> shortterm ftw :P
[09:11] <apachelogger> now everyone will have a not working mumble setup
[09:28] <apachelogger> no clue what to do with bug 1232156
[09:30] <Quintasan> eh
[09:31] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1198509] kscreenlocker_greet does not focus w/ 2 monitors @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1198509 (by Brad Huntting)
[09:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: please send a mail to the list about mumble 
[09:34] <apachelogger> Quintasan: eh is not a bug status
[09:49] <yofel> apachelogger: he and me already sent mails ^^
[09:49] <apachelogger> where? :O
[09:50] <yofel> -devel o.O?
[09:50] <apachelogger> ohm
[09:50] <apachelogger> wtf
[09:51] <apachelogger> since yesterday evening I got some 200 mails :O
[09:51] <apachelogger> didn't see the meeting mail because it was on the third page
[09:51] <yofel> lol
[09:54] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: so, where is sauce for ktp 0.7.0 packaging?
[09:54] <shadeslayer> lunchpad
[09:54] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: not in bzr
[09:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: saying what?
[09:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: nevermind, I just didn't see the mail xD
[09:55] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: So we have 0.7.0 in Ubuntu and 0.6.2 in Debian?
[09:55] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: and 0.7.0 in git experimental
[09:55] <shadeslayer> in debian
[09:59] <Quintasan> holy shit
[09:59] <Quintasan> I don't know how this works
[10:01] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I don't see 0.7.0 anywhere in the packaging branch on alioth
[10:01] <shadeslayer> http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-kde/kde-extras/libkpeople.git
[10:02] <shadeslayer> http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-kde/kde-extras/kde-telepathy/ktp-call-ui.git;a=commit;h=62e178d2d3a81b3b6d1ad3a4209f46c49834408d
[10:02] <shadeslayer> http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-kde/kde-extras/kde-telepathy/ktp-text-ui.git;a=commit;h=3ad00d1aac44ec1f13ac9e97e2ed46fb9cdc97e9
[10:02] <Quintasan> That's 0.6.80
[10:02] <shadeslayer> detrout is updating it
[10:03] <Quintasan> looks like I have to wait for her to show up
[10:03] <Quintasan> I'm not really good with this gbp mumbojumbo
[10:07] <shadeslayer> I hear apachelogger is good at it
[10:07] <apachelogger> hm?
[10:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: git buildpackage
[10:11] <apachelogger> not really, read the manual
[10:13] <Quintasan> No, this is getting retarded
[10:13] <shadeslayer> runninh debuild on firefox is always fun
[10:14] <Quintasan> I'm trying to import new upstream version into the repository using git-import-orig and it whines and throws merge conflicts at me
[10:14] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you have to import into the upstream branch :P
[10:14] <apachelogger> not the debian derivate
[10:14] <Quintasan> apachelogger: dude, read the manual
[10:14] <Quintasan> it apparently does that automatically unless told otherwise
[10:15] <Quintasan>               The branch in the Git repository the upstream sources are put onto. Default is upstream.
[10:16] <apachelogger> Quintasan: guess you'll have to merge then :P
[10:16] <apachelogger> or you could simply import it yourself
[10:16] <apachelogger> rm -rf * && tar -xf && git add * && git commit -a
[10:17] <apachelogger> no clue hwy import-orig would not do that anyway and instead wants to merge
[10:18] <apachelogger> a bit weird because really you are not going to merge perstine upstreamv1 with prestine upstreamv2 but simply accept v2 as the new thing and discard any merge conflicts that may occur
[10:18] <apachelogger> i.e. what happens when you wipe the working tree and import a new source by means of copy
[10:25] <Quintasan> apachelogger: so, I ran git-import-orig --pristine-tar -u 0.7.0 --debian-branch=master --upstream-branch=upstream -v ../ktp-common-internals-0.7.0.tar.bz2
[10:26] <Quintasan> it tries to merge upstream to master
[10:26] <Quintasan> it imported the code into upstream branch just fine, it fails to merge it for some reson though.
[10:27] <Quintasan> this is weird
[10:33] <apachelogger> I don't even need to read the manual to know that this is expected behavior here :P
[10:34] <apachelogger> there is no reason why that tool would need to know the debian branch to import the prestine tar
[10:34] <apachelogger> so clearly it is using it to then try an automerge of upstream to debian
[10:54] <Riddell> "Subject: Your membership in ubuntu-irc-members is about to expire"  do I care?
[10:55] <Riddell> "This team is used for votes in the Ubuntu IRC Community. This includes the election of Ubuntu IRC Council Members."
[10:55] <Riddell> hmm ok
[11:51] <Riddell> how can I see all the bugs on rekonq in bugs.kde.org ?
[11:51] <Riddell> this form says the words field can't be empty https://bugs.kde.org/query.cgi
[11:51] <apachelogger> https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=779155&query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=CONFIRMED&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&product=rekonq
[11:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: on the page you linked you just need to select rekonq and click search :P
[11:54] <Riddell> on simple search page I get "The Words field cannot be empty. You have to enter at least one word in your search criteria."
[11:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: need advanced
[11:55] <apachelogger> simple search is "Find a specific bug by entering words that describe it. KDE Bugtracking System will search bug descriptions and comments for those words and return a list of matching bugs sorted by relevance."
[11:56] <Riddell> hmm, I prefer launchpad
[12:12] <Riddell> I don't suppose anyone is able to set this up? http://ec2-50-16-165-6.compute-1.amazonaws.com/owncloud/index.php
[12:12] <Riddell> I've spent ages getting that package installable on raring but now it doesn't do anything when you set it up
[12:13] <Riddell> this makes me grumpy
[12:43] <jussi> Riddell: tsimpson might be able to, we have owncloud working on ubottu.com thanks to him
[12:47] <Riddell> ScottK: oh well I give up on bug 1245593 please just review the saucy package
[12:48] <tsimpson> I edited config/config.php (and we use sqlite3 DB rather than mysql)
[12:50] <Riddell> tsimpson: why did you need to edit config/config.php ?
[12:53] <tsimpson> Riddell: it was the easiest way to set it up
[12:54] <tsimpson> we had an older install there, so I just copied a couple of config values over and it worked
[12:56] <tsimpson> Riddell: what's failing for you?
[12:57] <tsimpson> afaik you just enter the root users details for mysql and it should auto-configure
[12:57] <Riddell> tsimpson: my raring backport package is failing to let me create an admin account
[12:57] <Riddell> yes, it'll be a fault in the packaging
[12:57]  * Riddell gets lunch
[12:58] <tsimpson> someone... wanted the latest and greatest beta release, so I didn't even bother with the packages
[13:00]  * jussi coughs
[13:00]  * jussi hands tsimpson cupcakes
[13:01] <tsimpson> ooh cupcakes!
[14:19]  * shadeslayer increases PPA queue's by 6 hours for 4 builders
[14:19] <shadeslayer> Just uploaded FF :>
[14:20] <Riddell> firefox?
[14:20] <shadeslayer> yes, with KDE patchery
[14:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/firefox/+packages
[14:31] <Riddell> hi littlegirl 
[14:41] <littlegirl> Riddell: Hey there. (:
[14:45] <Riddell> those left hand smileys always confuse me, I read them as sad smileys then realise they're left handed
[14:48] <littlegirl> Oh, sorry, been doing them for years, so it's probably too late to untrain myself. (:
[14:49] <Riddell> ☺
[14:49] <littlegirl> Oh, so totally cool. (:
[14:49]  * littlegirl steals ☺ from Riddell.
[14:50] <littlegirl> I also notice some of the developers doing \o/.
[14:51] <littlegirl> I tried to test Mumble yesterday, but nobody was on. ): <--- that's my sad smiley
[14:55] <lordievader> Hehe, that one is even more confusing ;)
[15:02] <shadeslayer> ^^
[15:02] <littlegirl> ☹
[15:03] <littlegirl> Better? (:
[15:03] <lordievader> \o/
[15:16] <littlegirl> So, did I do my time conversions correctly? Is the meeting in 4.75 hours? I'm assuming 4pm Eastern time, and we all know that the New York time zone is the most important one on earth, so UTC shouldn't even be used. (:
[15:18] <apachelogger> yeah
[15:19] <Riddell> everyone should just use UTC, that would make life so much simpler
[15:19] <littlegirl> That's true, and that would solve it nicely. This conversion thing is awful. ☹
[15:22] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ok if I SRU your libnm-qt, plasma-nm and cyphermox's nm update to saucy?
[15:24] <shadeslayer> Riddell: what's the decision wrt plasma-nm renaming
[15:24] <Riddell> hmm good question
[15:24] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what did you do in trusty?
[15:24] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I did not rename
[15:24] <shadeslayer> since we want the new name in trusty
[15:24] <shadeslayer> but shipped a update file
[15:24] <Riddell> meaning upstream renamed and our package followed?
[15:24] <shadeslayer> in kubuntu-desktop-settings
[15:28] <Riddell> shadeslayer: hmm, the sru could do the same but having it in kubuntu-desktop-settings would be problematic if you only installed plasma-nm and not kubuntu-desktop-settings for whatever reason
[15:29] <shadeslayer> yeah, I'd prefer to ship the update in plasma-nm , but you recommended that we ship it in kubuntu-settings
[15:29] <shadeslayer> can be easily changed though
[15:36] <cyphermox> Riddell: what NM update?
[15:38] <Riddell> cyphermox: to 0.9.8.4
[15:38] <cyphermox> hmm
[15:38] <cyphermox> if you feel it's good for a SRU, I won't stop you
[15:39] <cyphermox> just be aware that there is minimal new feature in there
[15:39] <cyphermox> I was hopeing to figure out exactly what commit to SRU once I knew what the problem was again
[15:40] <cyphermox> I also heard 0.9.8.4 was having trouble with dnsmasq, which is what is blocking it in proposed via autopkgtest so far, but I think it's just a broken test environment
[15:47] <ScottK> cyphermox: On saucy, tethering via my phone is no longer working.  Any idea if that's NM related or related to the new plasma-nm/
[15:48] <cyphermox> ScottK: not without more info... is that wireless (bluetooth?) or wired tethering?
[15:48] <cyphermox> then I'd like to look at /var/log/syslog...
[15:49] <cyphermox> ScottK: can you file a bug I'll look at it now
[15:49] <cyphermox> brb, running out of battery.
[15:50] <ScottK> Sure.
[15:52] <ScottK> cyphermox: Bug #1244775 might be relevant.  I'll investigate.
[15:53] <cyphermox> ah, no, I don't think it's the same thing
[15:53] <cyphermox> unless your phone needs to be modeswitched, that is
[15:57] <ScottK> Would I know?
[15:57] <ScottK> It's a Galaxy S3.
[15:58] <ScottK> I'll file another bug then.
[16:00] <ScottK> cyphermox: I filed Bug #1246389 
[16:06] <cyphermox> thanks
[16:07] <cyphermox> ScottK: so, wired tethering, correct?
[16:13] <ScottK> cyphermox: Yes.  Via USB.
[16:15] <cyphermox> alright
[16:23] <ScottK> Riddell: owncloud/saucy done.
[16:23] <Riddell> yay
[16:43] <Quintasan> oh
[16:43] <Quintasan> Upgrading kdeconnect-kde in trusty
[16:46] <shadeslayer> Riddell: did you look at the processor bug thingy in libsolid?
[16:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yeah it's in -proposed I think
[16:47] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 1234887  bug 1246367  bug 1246382  for your consideration
[16:47] <shadeslayer> ah cool
[16:47] <Riddell> shadeslayer: bug 1245542
[16:49] <ScottK> Riddell: I asked infinity to look at NM.  All look at the others once he decides on that.
[16:51] <Riddell> ScottK: thanks, althought the other two aren't reliant upon the nm update
[16:52] <ScottK> Right, but if we're going to do them, it make sense (kind of) do test them as a set.
[16:52] <Riddell> yeah
[17:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: we need a SRU for kde-connect
[17:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ok, are you able to verify?
[17:18] <shadeslayer> yep, can verify
[17:18] <shadeslayer> also jussi
[17:18] <Riddell> "Rejected by Adam Conrad: network-manager does not have an MRE, and this is far too extensive for an SRU"
[17:18] <Riddell> cyphermox: oh well there goes that idea
[17:19] <Riddell> Quintasan: how's the new version doing?
[17:19] <Quintasan> I did not manage to test anything yet as I'm still getting the "This device is using an old version of the protocol"
[17:19] <Quintasan> Gotta reboot I guess.
[17:22] <Riddell> ScottK: uh oh, do we not reconcile?
[17:22] <ScottK> That's why I asked him.
[17:22] <ScottK> Since we don't need the new one, we're still good.
[17:28] <cyphermox> Riddell: I asked before, could you just let me know what the problem is with plasma and if I can't find the right commit I'll write a patch
[17:32] <Riddell> cyphermox: the trouble is I'm not too sure, it's a bunch of small bugs which upstream has some of which might be caused by nm, some by libnm-qt and some by plasma-nm
[17:33] <cyphermox> ok
[17:33] <cyphermox> in that case wouldn't it be better to SRU all those except NM, and then ship NM when the actual NM bug can be properly identified?
[17:34] <Riddell> cyphermox: you may well be right
[17:35] <cyphermox> ScottK: fixing your bug today might prove challenging, but next week I should be able to acquire a Galaxy S3
[17:35] <ScottK> cyphermox: Totally cool.  Thanks.
[17:36] <cyphermox> in the meantime, could you attach /var/log/syslog to the bug, maybe there's some clues there
[17:39] <cyphermox> ScottK: you seem like someone who potentially would have your own local mirror... do you?
[17:39] <xnox> ScottK: Riddell: can strigi be demoted to universe?
[17:40] <ScottK> cyphermox: No.
[17:40] <cyphermox> alright. :/
[17:40] <ScottK> xnox: Kubuntu has nothing to do with what's in Main.
[17:40] <Riddell> xnox: I'm not sure, what's keeping it in main and why do you care?
[17:40] <ScottK> He's trying to demote libav to Universe.
[17:41] <ScottK> Which we do kind of care about since that affects vlc and ffmpegthumbs.
[17:41] <ScottK> (given the 'stellar' security record of both ffmpeg and libav)
[17:43] <xnox> ScottK: Riddell: right in main kde4libs (build-depends) and libkio5 (depends)
[17:43]  * xnox smells a rabbit hole
[17:50] <Quintasan> Riddell: Well, uploading kdeconnect-kde to trusty
[17:51] <Riddell> Quintasan: does it fix the problem?
[17:51] <Riddell> win 14
[17:51] <Riddell> tsk
[17:51] <Quintasan> Riddell: "old protocol" problem? it does
[17:51] <Riddell> excellent
[17:51] <Riddell> Quintasan: what can you do with it?
[17:52] <Quintasan> Well, basically you get notifications from your phone
[17:52] <Riddell> so text arrives on phone and it pops up on your plasma desktop?
[17:52] <Quintasan> It has nifty functionality like MPRIS support - meaning you can remote control amarok and whatever implements MPRIS
[17:53] <Quintasan> also, if you have anything playing (music, video) and someone calls you it automagically pauses the playback
[17:53] <Quintasan> and resumes once you finish the call
[17:53] <Riddell> nice
[17:54] <Quintasan> as for text messages -> 0.3 did send a notification but it was an empty notification
[17:54] <Quintasan> Not sure how does it work in 0.4
[17:55] <Riddell> controvertial stuff from agateau, he doesn't object to CLA! http://agateau.com/2013/10/29/my-stance-on-cla/
[18:01] <Quintasan> Riddell: Uploaded to trusty
[18:01] <Quintasan> Do we want a backport in PPA?
[18:02] <Riddell> Quintasan: well an SRU if it's completely broken
[18:03] <Quintasan> Riddell: The problem does not come from the kdeconnect-kde itself
[18:03] <Quintasan> The Android application got updated to use the new protocol
[18:04] <ScottK> That's SRUable.
[18:04] <ScottK> (if it's broken due to the protocol update)
[18:04] <Riddell> and kdeconnect-kde fixes it,so SRU it
[18:04] <Quintasan> ScottK: Well, technically it works, you just need older version of the Android application :P
[18:04]  * Quintasan stops whining and files SRU
[18:11] <shadeslayer> @_@
[18:11] <shadeslayer> tsimpson: your letter is so freaking long
[18:12] <shadeslayer> s/letter/email/
[18:12] <kubotu> shadeslayer meant: "tsimpson: your email is so freaking long"
[18:12] <tsimpson> yes, it is
[18:12] <Quintasan> Riddell, ScottK: bug #1246433
[18:13] <tsimpson> shadeslayer: I could have stretched it out (even) more, but I wasn't that crule
[18:16] <shadeslayer> tsimpson: I read the first few paragraphs, but I am losing interest after each word because it's so long, but as someone who has IRC op's, this looks important
[18:18] <tsimpson> shadeslayer: it's something that's been bugging me for years
[18:22] <yofel> what mail?
[18:22] <Riddell> Quintasan: did you upload to saucy-proposed?
[18:22] <Quintasan> yofel: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2013-October/001619.html
[18:23] <yofel> thx
[18:23] <Quintasan> Riddell: No, I'm actually not sure what the version should be
[18:23] <Quintasan> 0.4-0ubuntu1.1?
[18:23] <Riddell> I've been using ~saucy1
[18:23] <Riddell> you could also use ~ubuntu13.10.1
[18:29] <Quintasan> Riddell: Uploaded
[18:29] <Riddell> awooga, thanks Quintasan 
[18:30] <Quintasan> So, waiting for approval
[18:34] <cer> hi everybody. Is the kubuntu kernel identical to the stock ubuntu kernle?
[18:35] <ScottK> cer: Yes.
[18:35] <cer> ScottK: thanks.
[18:36] <ScottK> apachelogger: Would you please sanity review the kdeconnect-kde SRU waiting for approval: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/155422626/kdeconnect-kde_0.3-0ubuntu1_0.4-0ubuntu1~saucy1.diff.gz - my head swims.
[18:36] <cer> ScottK: second (and last) question .... is there a way to easuly set up a separate environment into which download the headers pacakges to compile / re compile specific packages? something like pbuilder, but easier to set up, and up to date.
[18:37] <Quintasan> cer: I'm pretty much sure pbuilder is the thing you want
[18:37] <cer> ScottK: pbuilder seems to haev gone "out of production" so to speak.
[18:38] <Quintasan> well
[18:38] <Quintasan> There is also sbuild and cowbuilder.
[18:38] <Quintasan> You can also just create a chroot using debootstrap
[18:38]  * ScottK uses pbuilder with the pbuilder-dist wrapper (ubuntu-dev-tools) and it's super easy/works fine.
[18:39] <ScottK> pbuilder-dist $release create/build/etc
[18:39] <cer> Thanks Quintasan / ScottK.
[18:39] <Quintasan> If I knew how to make sbuild cache the contents I'd use it
[18:39] <cer> ScottK: would it still keep the dependecies separate from the main system?
[18:40] <ScottK> Yes
[18:44] <cer> ScottK: is pulling in a few packages the pbuilder-dist .... 
[18:44] <ScottK> They'll just be in the package cache.  They are only installed in the chroot, not the main system.
[18:45] <cer> ScottK: sorry, I meant installing ubuntu-dev-tools is pulling quite a few packages in ....
[18:46] <cer> ScottK: including debian-keyring
[18:46] <ScottK> Sure, there's lots of good stuff in there.
[18:47] <cer> ScottK: I hope so, it is 47 Mb
[18:47] <cer> ScottK: there must be enough stuff to run google in it.
[18:48] <cer> ;)
[18:57] <ahoneybun> hey littlegirl lordievader 
[18:58] <lordievader> Hey ahoneybun, how are you today?
[18:59] <ahoneybun> lordievader, good just trying to write notes for the trusty meeting later
[18:59] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Anything interesting?
[18:59] <Quintasan> Meeting is in 2 hours?
[18:59] <Quintasan> ahoneybun: Grats on membership.
[18:59] <ahoneybun> 1 to me
[18:59] <ahoneybun> Quintasan, thanks :)
[18:59] <ahoneybun> 4pm in ETC
[18:59] <ahoneybun> I think 20:00 UTC?
[19:00] <lordievader> That's what I read.
[19:00] <Quintasan> So one hour
[19:00] <ahoneybun> Quintasan, yea
[19:00]  * Quintasan is UTC+2
[19:00] <lordievader> Here it is UTC+1 since a few days.
[19:00] <Quintasan> Oh, yeah
[19:00] <Quintasan> UTC+1 now too
[19:01] <Quintasan> I forgot about that
[19:01] <ahoneybun> lordievader, about moving to a different wiki, if we do what would it give us and about needing members with tech knowledge for the the docs
[19:01] <ahoneybun> lordievader, want me to move the notes to google docs and we can share notes>
[19:01] <ahoneybun> ?
[19:02] <lordievader> ahoneybun: I'm not really sure what you are asking. Do you mean you want to attract members with web knowledge?
[19:03] <ahoneybun> lordievader, mostly with partition knowledge
[19:03] <ahoneybun> for the installation page
[19:04] <lordievader> ahoneybun: What level should that be? Else I could write something.
[19:04] <ovidiu-florin> hello world
[19:05] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: that seems like a good ideea
[19:06] <ahoneybun> lordievader, well there are many  different ways you could partition your hdd or sdd
[19:06] <ahoneybun> and we are trying to take into account all we can
[19:08] <ovidiu-florin> we have something like that on the kubuntu Romania Site
[19:08] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin, you do?
[19:08] <ovidiu-florin> it's not published yet because to the screenshots need to be changed
[19:09] <ahoneybun> of course
[19:09] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Perhaps that could be included in the documentation once we workout how we are going to do localization?
[19:09] <ovidiu-florin> but it's public on the author's blog
[19:10] <ovidiu-florin> here: http://tutorialekubuntu.blogspot.ro/2013/10/instalarea-sistemului-de-operare.html
[19:10] <ovidiu-florin> it's a little twisted
[19:10] <ovidiu-florin> but it covers that topic
[19:11] <ovidiu-florin> the author did the partitioning from the live cd instead of the installer
[19:11] <ahoneybun> lordievader, I shared a link to the on Google+ to you and the others in the Kubuntu Docs team
[19:12] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin, it seems he did the live cd and the installer
[19:12] <ahoneybun> other then I can't read it I think it is exactly what we need
[19:13] <ovidiu-florin> on the installer he just chose the partitions
[19:13] <ahoneybun> covers resizing, dealing with dual booting
[19:13] <ovidiu-florin> it is meant for windows users that want to dualboot
[19:13] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Just so you know I wont be attenting the mumble meeting.
[19:14] <ahoneybun> lordievader, ok I just wanted to know if you wanted me to bring anything up
[19:15] <lordievader> ahoneybun: You need to mention what you want from the people for the partitioning pages, and perhaps have an idea on how to reach those people.
[19:16] <ahoneybun> lordievader, I'm just trying to get what ideas and thoughts everyone has to improve what we have
[19:16] <ahoneybun> but you are right
[19:17] <lordievader> ahoneybun: I know, but most times it is usefull to have a starting idea that people can discuss. Starting is the most difficult part ;)
[19:18] <ahoneybun> lordievader, yep
[19:18] <ovidiu-florin> I have a question about the kubuntu wiki: Why is it a syncronised version of the Ubuntu one? I mean if I change something on the Kubuntu wiki, it's reflected in the Ubuntu wiki.
[19:18] <ovidiu-florin> an those things are kubuntu specific
[19:18] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: it is the ubuntu wiki
[19:18] <yofel> just with a different default theme if you use our DNS
[19:21] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin, so you could translate that for us to use once we get permission from the author?
[19:22] <ahoneybun> use the knowledge of it anyway
[19:22] <ovidiu-florin> my opinion is that it coud use some tweeking
[19:23] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin, just to get some ideas
[19:27] <ovidiu-florin> sure I'll translate
[19:28] <ovidiu-florin> I missed a comma over there 
[19:44] <cer> thanks a lot ScottK/ Quintasan haev nice evening!
[19:57] <ahoneybun> littlegirl, https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cEPmSs2kwR-cKHh1erIOMWwxqXrEOQudxUvHZ7l55yE/edit
[19:59] <ahoneybun> littlegirl, https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cEPmSs2kwR-cKHh1erIOMWwxqXrEOQudxUvHZ7l55yE/edit?usp=sharing
[20:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: ping meeting?
[20:02] <Riddell> txwikinger, Quintasan: meeting?
[20:02] <Riddell> allee: meeting?
[20:03] <allee> Riddell: yes
[20:03] <Riddell> allee: are you coming? (you answered the doodle poll)
[20:03] <Riddell> it's on mumble
[20:04] <yofel> shadeslayer: still awake?
[20:04] <shadeslayer> yes
[20:04]  * shadeslayer will listen in
[20:04] <allee> Riddell: I'm already in mumble as allee ;-)
[20:04] <shadeslayer> actually
[20:04] <shadeslayer> we're going out :S
[20:04] <allee> first time mumble user
[20:04] <apachelogger> just got home, will be there in a bit
[20:05] <shadeslayer> cannot attend, though here's what I want to say
[20:05] <shadeslayer> * Working on new driver manager
[20:05] <shadeslayer> * Hacking on libqapt to tie into plasma to show cache update progress and installation progress
[20:06] <shadeslayer> * Working with apol to get muon fixed
[20:06] <shadeslayer> ( He posted some patches on the bugs I forwarded him, need to test them out )
[20:06] <Riddell> allee: oh aye :)
[20:07] <apachelogger> getting a drink real quick
[20:07] <shadeslayer> yofel: Riddell http://i.imgur.com/67QGOE6.png > driver manager screenshot 
[20:08] <shadeslayer> code in lp:~rohangarg/+junk/driver-manager-kde
[20:08] <shadeslayer> feel free to hack
[20:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: anyone taking notes?
[20:09]  * shadeslayer out
[20:26] <apachelogger> don't tell anyone but I am not listening right now :P
[20:27] <mamarley> Psst, people!  apachelogger isn't listening right now!
[20:27] <apachelogger> ey!
[20:29] <Riddell> apachelogger: just making trello cards as needed
[20:31]  * apachelogger falls off chair
[20:31] <apachelogger> kubotu: order coffee
[20:31]  * kubotu slides a cup of steamy hot coffee down the bar to apachelogger.
[20:33] <apachelogger> kubotu: topic learn
[20:33] <kubotu> done
[20:36] <apachelogger> yofel broke the serva
[20:36] <littlegirl> kubotu: order coffee
[20:36]  * kubotu slides a cup of steamy hot coffee down the bar to littlegirl.
[20:36] <littlegirl> I had no idea we could do that. (:
[20:37]  * genii makes his own coffee, and slides it down the bar to himself.
[20:37] <littlegirl> LOL
[20:37]  * mamarley doesn't drink coffee.
[20:40] <apachelogger> ahoneybun: have you tried turning it off and on again? :P
[20:40] <yofel> lol
[20:41] <apachelogger> afk real quick
[20:45] <apachelogger> re
[20:46] <apachelogger> I think kde will choose KDM
[20:48] <yofel> wasn't it decided that that's un-portable to wayland?
[20:49] <ovidiu-florin> so wayland will come only with KDE5, right?
[20:49] <yofel> right, kubuntu >= 14.10
[20:50] <ovidiu-florin> dang.. I was really hoping for a wayland LTS :D
[20:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: 14.04 should be KDE SC 4.12.4 release
[20:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: final freeze Apr 10, .4 is Apr 1
[20:51] <yofel> agreed, that might only leave one week after release to fix bugs in .5, but 4.13 will likely be too late
[20:52] <apachelogger> yofel: 4.13 will be june/july
[20:53] <apachelogger> also LTSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
[20:53] <apachelogger> why are we talking about the wiki?
[21:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: releases are deadlines
[21:05] <apachelogger> afk
[23:05] <littlegirl> ahoneybun, can you do items 2a and 2b?
[23:05] <littlegirl> I can't remember what was said on that. (:
[23:06] <ahoneybun> ok
[23:09] <littlegirl> LOL, that's one way to deal with them. (:
[23:11] <ahoneybun> well ovidiu-florin  dealt with them both 
[23:27] <littlegirl> So is that Google doc done, or would you like anything else added to it, or changed on it?
[23:28] <ahoneybun> littlegirl, its done I believe
[23:28] <littlegirl> I did the stacked layout like that so you could copy and paste it into an email for the mailing list if you want. (:
[23:28] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: Cool. (:
[23:31] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: http://wikkii.net/ might be an option for MediaWiki hosting. I haven't checked it out thoroughly, though.
[23:31] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: I spoke too soon. It's ad-supported. ☹
[23:41] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: This, however, looks really promising: http://wu.ourproject.org/moin/FrontPage
[23:41] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: Here
[23:41] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: Here's the Wikipedia page on OurProject: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ourproject.org
[23:42] <littlegirl> It sounds to me like  a perfect place to host a wiki, and from a quick look at the FAQ, you can supply your own wiki software if you don't like theirs (no idea which kind they use).
[23:46] <ahoneybun> littlegirl, I see
[23:46] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: I'm not sure if it's legitimate, but it looks like it's been around for a while, and its focus is on freedom and learning, which sounds perfect. Also, even if you don't use it for the wiki, it could be a good place to host any other kind of documents. (:
[23:47] <ahoneybun> yea
[23:48] <littlegirl> Oh, it looks like they use MoinMoin. But the FAQ did say you can use what you like, so if you feel strongly about MediaWiki, they'd let you use it. (:
[23:50] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: Here's what Norton has to say about it: https://safeweb.norton.com/report/show?url=http%3A%2F%2Fourproject.org%2F
[23:50] <shadeslayer> yofel: meeting minutes?
[23:51] <shadeslayer> or anyone who attended ^^