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| Dylan | ppp | 03:03 |
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| DanChapman | good morning | 08:02 |
| jibel | Good morning | 08:07 |
| DanChapman | morning jibel | 08:08 |
| DanChapman | how are you? | 08:08 |
| jibel | Hey DanChapman, I'm fine thanks, and you? | 08:10 |
| elfy | morning jibel DanChapman | 08:10 |
| DanChapman | jibel, I'm doing good thanks :-) | 08:11 |
| DanChapman | morning elfy | 08:11 |
| elfy | DanChapman: I've got a week off tomorrow - so you can expect to get your ear bent re autopilot :p | 08:12 |
| DanChapman | elfy, sounds good to me. :-) | 08:15 |
| elfy | that's one of us then :p | 08:15 |
| elfy | autopilot confuses the bejeesus out of me ;) | 08:16 |
| DanChapman | elfy lol! | 08:19 |
| elfy | DanChapman: elfy when thinking of autopilot ... http://tinyurl.com/ox4ax6o | 08:26 |
| elfy | bbl | 08:26 |
| DanChapman | elfy lol awesome!!! | 08:27 |
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| slickymaster | good morning all | 10:14 |
| DanChapman | morning slickymaster | 10:14 |
| slickymaster | DanChapman: Hi, Dan | 10:14 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 10:58 |
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| elopio | good morning! | 14:03 |
| davmor2 | morning elopio | 14:07 |
| thomi | elfy: anything in particular? I'd love to improve the documentation to help you out | 14:24 |
| thomi | hi elopio | 14:24 |
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| elfy | thomi: hi - not sure what you are referring to :) | 16:43 |
| thomi | elfy: "<elfy> autopilot confuses the bejeesus out of me ;)" | 16:46 |
| elfy | oh right | 16:46 |
| elfy | wellll then thomi | 16:47 |
| elfy | I'm only interested in what it can do for Xubuntu :) | 16:47 |
| elfy | which last time I looked into it - wasn't very much | 16:47 |
| thomi | remind me: Xubuntu uses Gtk? | 16:48 |
| elfy | but generally - unless you've got time to dig into m/l's and balloons blogs and the one page I managed to find - there does seem to be a paucity of information for it | 16:48 |
| elfy | yep - gtk2/3 in varying amounts | 16:48 |
| elfy | thomi: what 'we' are trying to ascertain is whether it's going to be of use to us for automatic testing of anything other than images | 16:50 |
| balloons | elfy, thomi has been grooming a rather nice tutorial for a little while now: http://unity.ubuntu.com/autopilot/tutorial/tutorial.html | 16:50 |
| elfy | k | 16:50 |
| elfy | shame it's not mentioned anywhere then :p | 16:51 |
| balloons | that and the api reference, you can't ask for much more http://unity.ubuntu.com/autopilot/api/index.html | 16:51 |
| elfy | that's a whole lot more than the last time I looked | 16:51 |
| balloons | it is the official documentation, it should be linked from everywhere | 16:51 |
| thomi | sorry guys, I'm in a meeting at the moment, so I can't pay much attention, but I'll be back soon | 16:51 |
| elfy | balloons: but you know what it is that I'm after from it | 16:51 |
| elfy | I'll look at those 2 | 16:52 |
| balloons | elfy, yes.. I would give you the same advice.. dig in and try it | 16:52 |
| elfy | I did that - it never worked ;) | 16:52 |
| balloons | DanChapman, has a nice gtk emulator he's spent a bit of time on to make it easier, but don't worry about that for now | 16:52 |
| balloons | gtk apps can be finicky, it's not quite as easy with them | 16:52 |
| * balloons installs leafpad | 16:53 | |
| elfy | yep - understood - but that's what we'd be looking at it for | 16:53 |
| elfy | I'll be back later - was only really responding to a ping, just got in from work | 16:53 |
| elfy | tbh balloons I've never actually managed to get myself past the "Is it going to be of any use to us?" question | 16:59 |
| elfy | and nothing that I've found to read has anything to help with that question | 17:00 |
| balloons | elfy, we can chat later when you have time, no worries | 17:00 |
| balloons | elfy, well it will provide you a way to automatically check packages you care about | 17:00 |
| balloons | make sure they aren't broken.. if that's useful or not is up to you I guess :-) | 17:00 |
| elfy | I understand that Canonical et al are only really interested in it working for their things - nothing wrong with that | 17:00 |
| balloons | we have a number of tests for things we didn't write.. we care about everything we ship in the repos ;-) | 17:01 |
| elfy | right - so if I got someone interested in getting it to check things for us - we'd at least get a this is/or isn't broken | 17:01 |
| elfy | balloons: you know what I mean :) | 17:01 |
| balloons | elfy, you could get feedback on brokeness.. but if you setup as build tests you could prevent the package from getting into the archive | 17:02 |
| balloons | let's use an example. Say you want to land the new version of xfce with a new panel. you build the new packages, but the panel tests fail and the panel doesn't build. | 17:02 |
| elfy | balloons: my biggest issue is I don't code - so can't see the wood for the trees - so I have to find someone else to possibly waste their time - if you follow my drift | 17:02 |
| balloons | it saves you from building and pushing in things that might be broken | 17:03 |
| elfy | mm | 17:04 |
| elfy | I wonder if any other flavours are bothering | 17:05 |
| balloons | autopilot is but a tool, and it's only one tool | 17:06 |
| elfy | yea - I understand that - I'm just trying to get a really basic understanding so I can at least make a half-informed decision on how far to run with it | 17:07 |
| elfy | and nothing that I've read is at that level - it's all how to build testcases | 17:07 |
| elfy | but gtg now for a bit | 17:08 |
| balloons | well building a testing infastructure or not lol is not going to be in tool docs | 17:08 |
| balloons | if you want it, it can be done, and here's some tools we use to do it (but it's not the only way) | 17:08 |
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| samgabbay | Hello Everyone Samuel Gabbay Here :) | 18:15 |
| samgabbay | seems like everyone is leaving | 18:27 |
| elfy | samgabbay: not everyone :) | 18:39 |
| samgabbay | elfy: omg i remember you!!!!! so long ago | 18:39 |
| elfy | lol - I'm always somewhere :) | 18:40 |
| samgabbay | elfy: haha what's new? | 18:40 |
| * samgabbay slaps ChanServ around a bit with a large trout | 18:41 | |
| samgabbay | lol | 18:41 |
| * samgabbay slaps elfy around a bit with a large trout | 18:46 | |
| samgabbay | WAKE UP :D | 18:46 |
| balloons | haha | 18:48 |
| balloons | someone discovered the trout | 18:48 |
| samgabbay | YES! | 18:48 |
| samgabbay | well i gotta go :( sorryy | 18:49 |
| elfy | very Captain Beefheart | 18:56 |
| balloons | thomi, is this fixed in 1.4? https://bugs.launchpad.net/autopilot/+bug/1209004 | 19:15 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1209004 in Autopilot "Process Manager tries to call Xlib on phablet devices" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 19:15 |
| elfy | balloons: I'm back now, if you've got time to chat - but I'm not sure if we'll get anywhere between us - we don't seem to be able to see each other's points very well atm | 19:16 |
| elfy | I'll probably hassle dan tomorrow | 19:17 |
| balloons | elfy, simply stated reading the autopilot tutorial won't help you at all if you are trying to decide if you want to create a test infrastructure or not | 19:17 |
| elfy | yep - I got that far :) | 19:17 |
| elfy | I think that what I have to do is get someone to look into for us - luckily I have a suitable candidate in mind :) | 19:18 |
| balloons | ok, if you want that, then you have to choose a tool | 19:18 |
| thomi | balloons: no, but I had a meeting this morning that included getting the unity8 work scheduled | 19:18 |
| thomi | so.. soon :) | 19:18 |
| balloons | thomi, :-) ty | 19:18 |
| elfy | balloons: choose a tool? what do you mean? is there different tools to do autopilot with? | 19:19 |
| balloons | elfy, so for gtk apps you can use mango, ltsp, xpresser, autopilot, sikuli, or something else you write :-) | 19:20 |
| balloons | elfy, autopilot is but a tool to test apps.. specifically it will test gtk2/gtk3 and qt apps | 19:20 |
| thomi | ..and qml | 19:20 |
| thomi | :) | 19:20 |
| balloons | and then of course, if you want to test at a different level than a functional or UI level, there's tools for that too | 19:21 |
| balloons | ^^ autopilot is not one of those tools, nor is anything I listed above most likely either :-) | 19:21 |
| balloons | elfy, I've either confused you or you get it all perfectly.. I'll guess the former | 19:22 |
| elfy | :p | 19:23 |
| elfy | I'll have a read when I'm more awake I think | 19:25 |
| elopio | balloons: who develops the rss ? | 19:27 |
| balloons | elopio, ohh right.. what issues are you having? | 19:27 |
| elopio | balloons: there's a test that adds a topic name, and then looks for it on the tabs. | 19:30 |
| elopio | but the topic is not added to the tabs. | 19:30 |
| balloons | mm, yes, ok. | 19:30 |
| elopio | I'm wondering if the test is outdated, or it's a real bug. | 19:30 |
| balloons | well at one point the topic was added | 19:30 |
| balloons | rss reader has historically just broken the tests with UI changes | 19:31 |
| * balloons launches rss reader | 19:33 | |
| balloons | elopio, yes, see the topics are all tabs at the top | 19:33 |
| balloons | elopio, so I would call that a bug | 19:34 |
| elopio | balloons: ack. | 19:42 |
| elopio | I'm going to have lunch, and then back to finish that. | 19:42 |
| balloons | doug5, bonsoir mon ami | 19:58 |
| balloons | Letozaf_, buonasera | 19:59 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, buonasera :D | 19:59 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, you are international you know all languages | 19:59 |
| doug5 | balloons, bonsoir! :-) | 20:00 |
| doug5 | balloons, so...what's next? | 20:00 |
| doug5 | Letozaf_, ciao Carla :-) | 20:00 |
| balloons | Letozaf_, I'm just laughing because doug5 was lamenting learning french.. I thought I would tease him a little | 20:00 |
| doug5 | balloons, lol | 20:00 |
| Letozaf_ | doug5, ciao Andrea :D | 20:01 |
| balloons | doug5, well I just asked for all of your tests to get pulled into the latest images, so reports.qa.ubuntu.com should turn green for calendar :-) | 20:01 |
| doug5 | balloons, cool | 20:01 |
| balloons | fingers crossed tomorrow or the next day they'll pull it | 20:01 |
| balloons | as far as what's next, well, there's some other apps that look like they are having some issues | 20:02 |
| balloons | I myself was looking at file manager, and elopio was looking at rssreader, and looking for you Letozaf_ :-) | 20:02 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, looking for me ? | 20:02 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, here I am, sorry I missed a couple of days >:P | 20:03 |
| balloons | Letozaf_, lol, no worries! he was just wondering about the rss reader tests.. they were failing, but they found a bug in the app | 20:03 |
| balloons | just doing there job ;-) | 20:03 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, oh! I feel better now, I was wondering why they were failing | 20:04 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, by the way should I install autopilot 1.4 ? I am still running 1.3 | 20:04 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, or is it better to wait | 20:04 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, I see that to get autopilot 1.4 you need to get it from a PPA | 20:05 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, ppa:autopilot/experimental isn't it ? | 20:06 |
| balloons | Letozaf_, I still have 1.3 installed locally | 20:07 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, ok fine I was wondering what you guys where using | 20:07 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, have you got Trusty ? | 20:07 |
| balloons | yes, running trusty | 20:08 |
| balloons | it's still 1.3 in the repo | 20:08 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, yes I saw it | 20:08 |
| balloons | doug5, as far as what's next, are you interested in doing something besides core apps tests? | 20:08 |
| doug5 | balloons, yep sure | 20:09 |
| balloons | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ContributingTestcases#Needed_autopilot_tests | 20:09 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, I suppose I will have to wait for the rssreade app bug to get fixed, so maybe I can do something else,meanwhile | 20:10 |
| balloons | doug5, Letozaf_ yes I was just looking at what still needs written | 20:10 |
| balloons | it would be useful to give Dan a hand on the ubiquity tests for sure | 20:11 |
| doug5 | balloons, I'll take a look at ubiquity, thx | 20:15 |
| Noskcaj | balloons, feel free to point people to testdrive too, because my glade is broken, and dan, dustin and andres are all too busy to finish the gtk3 port | 20:15 |
| doug5 | balloons, if there is something that comes out on the qml apps and you need help, just assign it to me | 20:16 |
| balloons | doug5, excellent thank you.. | 20:16 |
| balloons | doug5, for the moment I don't think anything new is needed (at least not noted in a bug), but you can always debug and fix issues | 20:17 |
| balloons | or hack on ubiquity :-) | 20:17 |
| balloons | dan's post is a good intro: http://www.ubuntuhackers.com/ramping-up-automating-ubiquity/ | 20:17 |
| doug5 | balloons, one thing I could do is to improve clock-app test case on search location | 20:18 |
| doug5 | balloons, and start with ubiquity, yes | 20:18 |
| balloons | doug5, basically we need additional image tests automated | 20:19 |
| doug5 | balloons, makes sense :-) | 20:20 |
| balloons | doug5, everything you see here, if possible, we want to automate | 20:20 |
| balloons | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/305/builds/55927/testcases | 20:20 |
| balloons | this page is the wip project page for everything https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/AutomatedTesting/ubiquity | 20:20 |
| balloons | you can see our raw pad notes from a few weeks ago | 20:20 |
| balloons | we discuss each of the tests we don't yet have automated tests for and what we think we can automate, etc | 20:21 |
| doug5 | balloons, can I ask Dan if I have questions? | 20:22 |
| balloons | doug5, yes of course.. you can ask me questions as well.. but Dan is the guy to ask if he's around :-) | 20:24 |
| doug5 | balloons, ok :-) I have to go, see you guys | 20:27 |
| balloons | doug5, see you.. thanks again! | 20:28 |
| doug5 | balloons, np, it's fun working on these things :-) | 20:29 |
| balloons | indeed.. a little addicting eh? you've got a good knack for writing them.. it's great | 20:29 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, I was reading about Ubiquity tests, can I use Trusty ISO's too ? or is it better to stick with Saucy ? | 21:03 |
| balloons | Letozaf_, yes, go for it.. the iso shouldn't matter for test writing, but why not use trusty, as that's what we intend t test ;-) | 21:03 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, well yes you're right! | 21:04 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, nice it started running a test on Saucy (I'm still downloading Trusty) Dan did a great job! let's see what happens ... | 21:33 |
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