[00:02] <mterry> robru, https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/ubuntu-seeds/trusty-drop-qtaudioengine/+merge/193166
[00:02] <robru> mterry, thx
[00:07] <Mirv> added it to the bug too
[00:59] <GreySyntax> Hi Guys, does anybody know what order the scripts would need to be run manually to boot trying to work out whats causing a bootloop
[00:59] <GreySyntax> systemd-udevd is up and /root is already mounted
[01:02] <AskUbuntu> Is the ubuntu phone filesystem mountable via a usb connection? | http://askubuntu.com/q/368221
[01:08] <akasoldats> yo, i just wanted say the colors for W-I-P and Perfect are the same here -  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/M7
[01:11] <GreySyntax> akasoldats: last time that dev updated was august, trying to build a new image from scratch atm
[01:32] <MrWhite> Hey Hey
[01:32] <MrWhite> Had a quick question if someone wouldn't mind answering
[01:33] <MrWhite> Is anyone here?
[01:33] <MrWhite> Any dev's around?
[01:33] <MrWhite> :(
[01:34] <RobbyF> sleeping I thinkl.
[01:56] <MrWhite> yo yo
[01:56] <MrWhite> Anyone ever get touch on an old Windows tablet?
[01:56] <MrWhite> Like a slate tab?
[04:12] <zhangchao> I want to customize ubuntu touch kernel，Should I use linaro or arm-eabi to compile the kernel?
[05:20] <AskUbuntu> Mobile broadband not connect without unplug and plug | http://askubuntu.com/q/368294
[05:21] <AlanO_> I have a Nexus 4 running Ubuntu touch 14.04 (r5). Ever since loading 14.04, I haven't been able to connect the device to the QT ide, is this a known issue, or something that I've done wrong?
[05:44] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu touch 14.04 (r5) QT IDE problem | http://askubuntu.com/q/368302
[07:17] <jnhghy> Hi, I'm am a ubuntu user (made some small python apps for my ubuntu but I can't say I'm any tech ...) and I have a kind of futuristic question I guess... could it be possible in a not too far future version of ubuntu to send the digital TV signal that I get from my cable company throw wifi and receive it in my ubuntu phone? that can be connected to the TV and me to be able to have a not full-screen window that will show the tv cable stream? does it
[07:17] <jnhghy> sound doable in a near future or is it too SF?
[07:18] <diwic> jnhghy, the main problem is DRM - the stuff is encrypted
[07:18] <diwic> jnhghy, if you have an unencrypted stream I think it should be possible already
[07:19] <diwic> jnhghy, that said, wifi connections are kind of unstable in terms of latency, at least right now
[07:20] <RAOF> jnhghy: Depends on what you mean by "digital TV signal"
[07:20] <jnhghy> RAOF: at this point all I can think of is the signal that I get throw the tv cable...
[07:21] <RAOF> So, you can't send _that_ straight over wifi, because you need a hardware tuner in order to actually get information out of it :)
[07:22] <jnhghy> diwic: thanks for the info, the tv unencrypts the signal ... so I'm guessing that at least for a big company that would be doable... I haven't seen the wifi latency to be an issue until you pointed it out... another thing to think at...
[07:22] <RAOF> But once you've got the mpeg2 out, that works now, at least to an Ubuntu PC.
[07:22] <RAOF> That's roughly what MythTV and the other TV frontends do.
[07:24] <jnhghy> RAOF: thanks for the info ... I've checked MythTV, and it's for DVR, the idea of beeing able to switch channels from inside the OS was kinky ...
[07:26] <AskUbuntu> Can i install Ubuntu Touch on my Samsung Galaxy Note 1 | http://askubuntu.com/q/368349
[07:59] <Daneil> hi
[07:59] <Daneil> any1 here?
[08:00] <Daneil> can someone please help
[08:00] <AskUbuntu> WhatsApp aviable for Ubuntu Phone? | http://askubuntu.com/q/368360
[08:01] <Daneil> help!
[08:45] <Elnogga> hello
[08:46] <Elnogga> I was wondering how the Ubuntu-touch works with the galaxy S2 i9100?
[08:49] <ogra_> badly ... the port once was one of the best ones we had, but i think it didnt go forward at some point (i.e. i dont think calls or sms work yet)
[08:49] <Elnogga> oh ok
[08:50] <Elnogga> well its my old phone so I wont be using it for calls anyway
[08:50] <Elnogga> just wanna change OS's
[08:50] <ogra_> there is some planning going on to have regular porting clinics this cycle, hopefully the ports situation gets better again then
[08:51] <ogra_> to get a first impression trying the S2 port is surely not worng though ... just keep in mind it is not up to par with i.e. the nexus4 which is fully supported
[08:56] <ogra_> xnox, whats the reason to make use of any libGL stuff in android ? (nothing on arm should ever use GL, its all GLES)
[09:03] <RedPandaFox> What is the easiest way to update to the latest nightly? Is the best way still reflashing the latest build, or can we OTA update?
[09:04] <ogra_> the nexus devices can all do OTA nowadays
[09:04] <RedPandaFox> Which way is that? Through system settings?
[09:04] <ogra_> (you just use the GUI tool from the system-settings app to update them)
[09:05] <ogra_> note, this requires that your initial install was done using ubuntu-system
[09:05] <ogra_> (the phabelt-flash option that is)
[09:05] <RedPandaFox> Arh, that is why then. Awesome.
[09:06] <RedPandaFox> Also what is the best option for contact sync from Google if syncevolutuion wont work?
[09:06] <RedPandaFox> I use two step authentication on my google
[09:21] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Orthopaedic Nurses Day! :-D
[09:23] <TURK> one x in the stable?
[09:50] <xnox> ogra_: emulator/i386 loads host's libGL.
[09:51] <ogra_> aaah !
[09:51] <ogra_> *epiphany*
[09:51] <xnox> ogra_: which in turn provides accelarated GL, GLESv1, GLESv2 on the guest side, via libGL*_translator.so libs.
[09:51] <ogra_> yeah
[09:51] <xnox> =)
[09:51] <ogra_> i totally forgot about x86 :)
[10:58] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:58] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu-touch reverse USB tethering | http://askubuntu.com/q/368433
[11:29] <nik90> RedPandaFox: you can still googlesync despite two step authentication
[11:29] <nik90> RedPandaFox: just get an appplication specific password from google and enter that as your password
[11:29] <nik90> instead of your actual password
[11:30] <nik90> it is a bunch of random letters generated by google..you should be able to generate one at security.google.com/accounts I think
[11:36] <w-flo> are the phablet.ubuntu.com repos going to see an update to newer cm code for trusty?
[11:45] <ogra_> w-flo, there is a sprint goinh on this week where that will get decided
[11:46] <w-flo> ogra_, thanks! :)
[11:53] <davmor2> ogra_: morning dude is there a new image yet?
[11:54] <ogra_> davmor2, not before bug 1245958 is fixed
[11:54] <davmor2> ogra_: right no worries
[12:01] <RedPandaFox> nik90, awesome! I will give that a go
[12:02] <pitti> ogra_: didn't you say we'd build trusty images now?
[12:02] <pitti> ogra_: I just flashed devel-proposed again, and it's still saucy
[12:02] <ogra_> pitti, sure
[12:03] <ogra_> pitti, devel doesnt point to trusty yet
[12:03] <pitti> uh, how much more "devel" can it get? :-)
[12:03] <ogra_> pitti, asac wants us to wait for the first green image at http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/trusty/touch/
[12:04] <pitti> ogra_: somehow the CI test runners seem to flash trusty
[12:04] <pitti> I need to reproduce a failure there, do you happen to know how to install a trusty image?
[12:05] <ogra_> phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel trusty
[12:05] <pitti> I tried dist-upgrading, but that falls over badly due to some weird "cannot remove /usr/bin/unity8: device busy" error (even after stopping unity8)
[12:05] <ogra_> or on the device: system-image-cli -c trusty -b 0
[12:05] <ogra_> (if you have a saucy system image install already)
[12:06] <pitti> ogra_: ah, danke!
[12:07] <pitti> ogra_: (not trusty-proposed or something/)
[12:08] <ogra_> pitti, proposed is currently very broken due to bug 1245958
[12:09] <pitti> ogra_: oh, so that's probably why https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/dialer-app/enable-phonesim-tests/+merge/191248 keeps failing :)
[12:09] <davmor2> pitti: trust me image 8 gets on your nerves very quickly :)
[12:09] <pitti> ogra_: as the tests work perfectly fine with devel-proposed
[12:09] <ogra_> ... which is saucy :)
[12:10] <pitti> ogra_: right, which kept me wondering why I coudln't reproduce, until I checked lsb_releae
[12:10] <pitti> davmor2: no worries, I mostly want to confirm I get the same crash locally, to ensure it's not something in the test runners
[12:11] <ogra_> pitti, system-image-cli -i ... better than lsb_release ;)
[12:11] <pitti> yeah, if only it would actually work
[12:11] <pitti> more often than not it complains about /var/log/whatever not existing
[12:11] <ogra_> hmm ?
[12:11] <pitti> something seems to remove the log directory
[12:11] <ogra_> werid, works flawless for me on mako and maguro
[12:13] <davmor2> ogra_: oh Alan has  just posted a potential fix now do I test it or do I do my job :)
[12:17] <ogra_> davmor2, someone testing and confirming the fix would surely speed this up
[12:18] <davmor2> ogra_: I know but job ;)  Give me 5 to finish what I'm doing :)
[12:25] <janimo`> rsalveti, is the android ROM/ubuntu interface changing ? I just noticed the phablet-trusty branch
[12:31] <davmor2> ogra_: I'm not sure I'm knowing enough to build or patch this https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/mir/fix-1245958
[12:39] <Predu> hello
[12:40] <Predu> i need some help
[12:41] <cjohnston> Predu: just ask your question
[12:41] <Predu> i want to install ubuntu on my smartphone
[12:41] <Predu> and i don't know if my smartphone (LG OPTIMUS ME P350) support ubuntu
[12:42] <cjohnston> Predu: look on the wiki page in the topic
[12:43] <Predu> there are 4 devices listed, is that all?
[12:43] <cjohnston> that's all that is officially supported
[12:43] <cjohnston> there are community ports for others
[12:44] <davmor2> Predu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices if it's not there you would need to look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting and create your own port
[12:44] <davmor2> Predu: I don't recommend the latter unless you know what you are doing
[12:59] <nerochiaro> tmoenicke: zsombi|afk: any updates on the textChanged events problem ?
[13:00] <zsombi|afk> nerochiaro: none from my side
[13:19] <tmoenicke> nerochiaro: ping
[13:23] <lucas__> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/daily sudo apt-get update
[13:23] <lucas__> sudo apt-get install <app-name>
[13:23] <lucas__> sudo apt-get install touch-coreapps
[13:24] <lucas__> sudo apt-get install unity8
[13:24] <lucas__> unity8 -mousetouch
[13:25] <lucas__> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:phablet-team/tools
[13:25]  * ogra_ wonders when lucas__ will notice that he is typing into the wrong terminal :)
[13:25] <lucas__> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/phablet-team/tools/ubuntu [dist-codename] main deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/phablet-team/tools/ubuntu [dist-codename] main
[13:26] <lucas__> sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install phablet-tools android-tools-adb android-tools-fastboot
[13:26] <xnox> ogra_: too bad sudo password was cached =/
[13:26] <ogra_> haha
[13:26] <lucas__> shit
[13:26] <xnox> shit: command not found
[13:34] <nerochiaro> tmoenicke: sorry was at lunch
[13:34] <nerochiaro> tmoenicke: what's up ?
[13:35] <tmoenicke> nerochiaro: do you have the bugreport about the textchanged issue?
[13:36] <nerochiaro> tmoenicke: bug 1243164
[13:58] <AskUbuntu> Cannot run Ubuntu (touch) Facebook App | http://askubuntu.com/q/368491
[14:22] <barry> thomi: with the new autopilot ppa, results are much better (but still not failure free).  i'll start looking into the details today
[14:22] <thomi> barry: hey man - just woke up - if you send me the results I'd love to take a look
[14:23] <thomi> it's useful to me to see someone who doesn't already have all the dependencies set up
[14:23] <thomi> ...means I can fix the package deps
[14:23] <barry> thomi: go have some coffee and a nice muffin :)  will email you in the meantime
[14:23] <thomi> I'm not sure nice muffins are available in this hotel :-/
[14:24] <barry> thomi: more room for coffee then!
[14:24] <thomi> mmmm... hotel coffee :)
[14:26] <genii> So long as it's not decaf ;)
[14:37] <barry> thomi: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6330336/
[14:37] <barry> thomi: clearly at least one dep missing
[14:37] <thomi> yes
[14:37] <thomi> barry: do you have python-autopilot-tests installed?
[14:38] <karni> Do we have something like the "lifecycle delegate" mentioned in the 'Draft: Application Model' document, that I belive is public?
[14:38] <barry> thomi: i do now :)
[14:38] <thomi> barry: I wonder if we can pick this up later today? I have to go have breakfast and then I have a session to run this morning
[14:38] <karni> Or is this still just a design we want to look into in the future?
[14:38] <barry> thomi: oh for sure.  let's chat later whenever you're free
[14:51] <sr20dett> In the ubuntu sdk how can i use items out of the component show case in my app.
[14:52] <t1mp> sr20dett: are you writing a QML app?
[14:53] <sr20dett> Yes
[14:53] <sr20dett> In the ubuntu sdk using simple touch ui
[14:53] <t1mp> sr20dett: ok, here is the API for the ubuntu components http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-1.0/
[14:53] <t1mp> sr20dett: I'd start with these - http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-1.0/Ubuntu.Components/
[14:54] <sr20dett> Thabks
[14:54] <sr20dett> Thanks lol
[14:54] <t1mp> sr20dett: there is a tutorial here http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/qml/tutorial/
[14:54] <sr20dett> Good total noob haha
[14:55] <t1mp> sr20dett: or have a look at the getting started http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/qml/get-started/ and include the components from the API webpage. Most components have examples listed in the pages.
[14:58] <t1mp> sr20dett: and have fun with it :)
[14:58] <sr20dett> Will do when im of work!!! Haha
[14:59] <moredeb> hello guys. i have plenty of time to spare and i'd like to contribute to ubuntu touch core apps. i have a tiny experience with qml but i'm eager to learn. do you have any advice for a starter?
[14:59] <popey> moredeb: hey!
[15:00] <moredeb> popey: hey!
[15:00] <popey> moredeb: we have bugs in core apps if you're interested in taking a look?
[15:00] <moredeb> i am. anything in particular?
[15:02] <popey> can i get back to you in a few, I am on a phone call right now
[15:02] <moredeb> popey: ok
[15:02] <popey> they are all linked from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps
[15:03] <popey> and bugs in launchpad may be tagged by priority..
[15:07] <moredeb> popey: i'll look into it. thanks
[15:14] <popey> moredeb: if you have any questions, feel free to ping me.
[15:55] <rsalveti> janimo`: hey, I just basically decided to freeze the saucy branch, so we can work on the trusty branch instead
[15:55] <rsalveti> janimo`: I created a branch for both hybris and platform-api, do you know if that will still be available once they are updated with your script?
[15:56] <rsalveti> janimo`: I'm testing it now and will send the email saying what I did in there and how we should move along during the trusty cycle
[15:56] <janimo`> rsalveti, ok, I just thaught the ROM side is independent of what is happening in Ubuntu land, but at least for kernel images picking the series makes sense
[15:56] <janimo`> rsalveti, I'll check to see if the scripts needs any mods
[15:57] <rsalveti> janimo`: the rom side is independent at this point at least, but we might decide to move to 4.3 or 4.4 over the next following weeks
[15:57] <rsalveti> to support more recent devices
[15:57] <janimo`> rsalveti, the script used the master branch for hybris and platfrom IIRC
[15:57] <rsalveti> janimo`: cool
[15:57] <janimo`> rsalveti, great. Is this based on newer CyanogenMod or plain AOSP 4.3/4/4 ?
[15:58] <daker> Kyle: ping
[15:58] <sergiusens> rsalveti, was that decided already?
[15:58] <rsalveti> janimo`: we don't know which base we'll be using yet, but let you know once we decide something
[15:58] <rsalveti> janimo`: but it could still be CM, if they also update to the more recent AOSP codebase
[15:58] <rsalveti> sergiusens: nops
[15:59] <sergiusens> rsalveti, anything interesting happening at the sprint?
[15:59]  * sergiusens wants the gossip
[15:59] <rsalveti> sergiusens: :-)
[16:01] <ogra_> yeah, keep a microphone on and stream it
[16:01] <janimo`> rsalveti, CM 10.2 nightlies are based on AOSP 4.3 so hopeflly they will be a good foundation for phablet
[16:01]  * ogra_ adds an audio backdoor to the next touch build :P
[16:03] <rsalveti> janimo`: yeah
[16:03] <rsalveti> janimo`: but we might need 4.4 in case we decide to officially support the new nexus 5
[16:15] <Kyle> daker: pong
[16:15] <Kyle> daker: you ping me a lot, and I don't know you ;)
[16:17] <daker> Kyle: sorry about that, are you Kyle Nitzsche ?
[16:18] <Mirv> tvoss: hi. we've one test in process-cpp failing almost every time https://launchpadlibrarian.net/155386797/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-armhf.process-cpp_0.0.1%2B14.04.20131030.1-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[16:18] <ogra_> daker, thats kyleN usually
[16:19] <daker> ogra_: ah ok
[16:20] <tvoss> Mirv, looking
[16:22] <Mirv> tvoss: then as another issue when the test does successfully pass, the packaging complains about symbols files not update, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/155386600/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-amd64.process-cpp_0.0.1%2B14.04.20131030.1-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[16:22] <Mirv> tvoss: I'd file a bug but https://bugs.launchpad.net/process-cpp isn't configured yet
[16:22] <Mirv> tvoss: thanks
[17:17] <kenvandine> alan_g, i tested your mir fix on my mako, seems to fix the crash!
[17:17] <kenvandine> kdub, ^^
[17:18] <kenvandine> can you guys get someone to approve that branch so we can get it landed?
[17:18] <alan_g> kenvandine: \o/
[17:19] <alan_g> alf_: ^^
[17:20] <alan_g> racarr: kdub alf_  ^^ = https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/mir/fix-1245958/+merge/193225
[17:20] <kdub> great :)
[17:21] <alan_g> kdub: can you approve?
[17:23] <kdub> alan_g, yeah, we probably need ~vanvugt/mir/version-0.1.1 too, right?
[17:24] <kdub> approved
[17:25] <alan_g> kdub: I don't follow - that's for the dev branch, not lp:mir
[17:27] <kdub> alan_g, ah, yeah... didn't notice that
[17:55] <robru> does anybody know where the webapps click packages are hosted?
[18:01] <Kyle> ubot5: no
[18:01] <Kyle> erm
[18:01] <Kyle> daker: no
[18:01] <daker> Kyle: ok sorry about that
[18:55] <kdub> davmor2, Mirv, kenvandine that crashing fix landed into lp:mir
[18:55] <kenvandine> kdub, yeah, i'm building it now to land it
[18:56] <kenvandine> kdub, then we'll get an image built
[18:56] <ogra_> yeah
[18:57] <kdub> thanks kenvandine
[18:57] <kenvandine> ogra_, i did verify the fix against image 8...  no crashes :)
[18:57]  * ogra_ is watching trusty-changes ... once it landed i'll roll an image 
[18:57] <kenvandine> ogra_, awesome
[18:57] <ogra_> yay
[18:59] <Mirv> kdub: thanks a lot! ken will see it through.
[19:01] <davmor2> \o/
[19:02] <popey> ogra_: a new image toda
[19:02] <popey> *today
[19:02] <popey> gnnnn.. today?
[19:02] <ogra_> popey, later, yeah
[19:02] <popey> sweet
[19:02] <ogra_> waiting for new Mir love
[19:02] <popey> feel free to ping me and I'll test stuff
[19:02] <ogra_> yeah, i will
[19:09] <snwh> is pressure sensitivity of the screen supported?
[19:18] <kdub> snwh,  i know at the system compositor level, its supported
[19:19] <snwh> kdub, thanks, i was curious about that
[19:19] <kdub> mir's touch demo client is input-sensitive at least :)
[19:19] <kdub> sorry, pressure sensitive
[19:25] <kenvandine> ogra_, it's hit trusty-proposed
[19:25] <ogra_> great
[19:26]  * ogra_ will watch until it hopped over the fence
[19:28] <rsalveti> ogra_: can we drop the "saucy" links/images in cdimage/current for touch?
[19:28] <ogra_> rsalveti, ?? current points to the last blessed daily
[19:29] <rsalveti> ogra_: right, but we also have saucy images in there
[19:29]  * ogra_ wonders what you mean
[19:29] <rsalveti> well, at least I have it here, wonder if it's a mirroring thing haha
[19:29] <ogra_> rsalveti, yes, for the SRU builds
[19:29] <rsalveti> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/
[19:30] <rsalveti> we have saucy in there as well
[19:30] <ogra_> rsalveti, right, thats where cdimage spits our SRU images
[19:31] <rsalveti> ogra_: hm, ok, quite confusing
[19:31] <ogra_> oh
[19:31] <ogra_> err
[19:31] <ogra_> you mean *in* that driectory
[19:31]  * ogra_ glares
[19:31] <rsalveti> ogra_: yesh
[19:31] <rsalveti> yeah
[19:31] <ogra_> i meant http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/saucy/daily-preinstalled/
[19:32] <ogra_> rsalveti, will clean that up
[19:32] <ogra_> thanks for pointing it out !
[19:32] <rsalveti> ogra_: thanks for fixing it :-)
[19:32] <ogra_> (and hanging on until my brain got it :) )
[19:34] <ogra_> rsalveti, fixed
[19:34] <rsalveti> ogra_: thanks!
[19:36] <marinella> hello, i'm Marinella from Italy, i have a problem with Ubuntu Touch       WARNING:phablet-flash:--no-backup is deprecated, use --bootstrap instead error: device not found and phablet-flash:Device either not connected, doesn't have adb enabled or the property system cannot be accessed.  May you help me, please
[19:37] <popey> what command did you use marinella ?
[19:37] <marinella> phablet-flash ubuntu-system --no-backup
[19:38] <popey> marinella: so it's right, you should be able to just  phablet-flash ubuntu-system , or  phablet-flash ubuntu-system  --bootstrap, if you want a clean flash
[19:41] <marinella> Popey ,And how i can do it?
[19:42] <marinella> i have problem with this adb, how enable?
[19:43] <popey> marinella: you don't have adb installed? Did you follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install ?
[19:43] <marinella> not
[19:43] <futurestack> phablet-tools has unmet dependencies?
[19:43] <popey> I'd recommend following that guide
[19:44] <marinella> yes Popey  i see  it
[19:44] <futurestack> I can't get past step 1 in that guide on a 13.10 fresh iso
[19:45] <marinella> my installation from here before: http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/install
[19:45] <futurestack> depends on android-tools-adb >4.2.2 but it is uninstallable
[19:45] <marinella> ok so: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[19:46] <marinella> i have nexus 4  androide 4.2
[19:47] <futurestack> is it because I'm using amd64+Mac ?
[19:48] <popey> shouldn't be
[19:48] <marinella> thanks Popey now i see thah guide
[19:49] <futurestack> it also mentions 'python-lzma'
[19:49] <futurestack> as being uninstallable
[19:49] <popey> sounds odd, can you pastebin (paste.ubuntu.com) the output of "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get install android-tools-adb" ?
[19:51] <futurestack> yeah gimme a sec
[19:54] <futurestack> http://sprunge.us/BXZL
[19:56] <popey> futurestack: what do you see with "apt-cache policy android-tools-adb
[19:57] <futurestack> Installed: (None) Candidate: (none) Version Table:
[19:57] <marinella> i don't understand, but why? adb: unable to connect for backup
[19:57] <marinella> may be problem with usb connection my computer?
[19:59] <popey> i dont understand, android-tools-adb is in the 12.10 repository
[20:00] <popey> sergiusens: any ideas? ^^
[20:00] <futurestack> I'm using 13.10, should I use 12.10?
[20:00] <marinella> i have ubuntu 13.04... i don't have ubuntu 13.10 may be this?
[20:01] <futurestack> I saw 'saucy' mentioned on the install guide so I figured it was workable
[20:02] <futurestack> but I can download/burn a 12.10 image, I'm just making usb sticks to flash the phone
[20:02] <marinella> so i don't have adb in my ubuntu 13.04 now i understand for this i hace problem installation ubuntu touch on nexus 4 with guide
[20:04] <marinella> how i can do?
[20:05] <popey> it should all work with 13.04 and 13.10 as I understand it
[20:07] <popey> sorry, when I said 12.10, i meant 13.10
[20:07] <marinella> yes
[20:08] <futurestack> I did the ppa add, it said successfully imported the key... ran the update... then this
[20:11] <futurestack> I mean, I wasn't expecting the process to be easy but I certainly didn't expect to get stumped at step 1 :P
[20:12] <marinella> popey  have you a solution for my problem?
[20:13] <popey> futurestack: ok, what version of ubuntu is it? lsb_release -a says 13.10?
[20:13] <marinella> adb: unable to connect for backup
[20:13] <popey> marinella: what device?
[20:13] <futurestack> 'No LSB modules are available.'
[20:13] <marinella> i have nexus 4 with android 4.2 and i have got ubuntu  13.04
[20:14] <futurestack> I'm booting off a usb stick, maybe something to do with that?
[20:14] <futurestack> , maybe it's something to do with that?
[20:14] <futurestack> nrgh, lag
[20:14] <popey> futurestack: almost certainly
[20:14] <futurestack> ok
[20:14] <popey> you're probably missing the universe repo being enabled on the live cd
[20:15] <popey> s/cd/usb/
[20:15] <marinella> sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install phablet-tools android-tools-adb android-tools-fastboot  --> it's ok but after i have:  adb backup -apk -shared -all :  adb: unable to connect for backup  ... bu why?
[20:15] <popey> marinella: have you followed the steps to enable debug?
[20:15] <futurestack> alright
[20:15] <futurestack> I will find something to install it on
[20:15] <futurestack> tyvm!
[20:15] <popey> marinella: i have _never_ done a backup like that
[20:15] <marinella> yes enable Developer
[20:16] <marinella> ok popey
[20:16] <popey> I did step 1, 2, 3, 4, not step 1.5
[20:17] <marinella> yes all
[20:17] <marinella> WARNING:phablet-flash:--no-backup is deprecated, use --bootstrap instead error: device not found ERROR:phablet-flash:Device either not connected, doesn't have adb enabled or the property system cannot be accessed. Make sure the device is booted into the operating system and that adb is working correctly.
[20:18] <marinella> now i'm tired i go smok cigarett
[20:18] <popey> marinella: does it show up with "adb devices" ?
[20:19] <marinella> popey adb devices List of devices attached
[20:20] <sergiusens> popey, android-tools-adb is supposed to be in saucy alright
[20:20] <popey> marinella: looks like you haven't enabled usb debugging
[20:20] <popey> sergiusens: yeah, he was on a live usb stick
[20:21] <sergiusens> popey, ah, it's in universe
[20:21] <sergiusens> fyi https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/android-tools
[20:21] <timppa> Hi, should I be able to update trusty image to latest via OTA?
[20:22] <cjohnston> timppa: what are you currently on?
[20:22] <timppa> on the first trusty image I suppose
[20:22] <timppa> 14.04 r5 = about the phone
[20:23] <cjohnston> what channel did you get it from?
[20:23] <timppa> trusty
[20:23] <cjohnston> 5 is the latest
[20:23] <timppa> ok
[20:24] <timppa> was the image released yesterday for saucy?
[20:24] <marinella> popey  now i'm here you say: marinella: looks like you haven't enabled usb debugging.... but where in my ubuntu 13.04? yes?
[20:24] <popey> no, on the device
[20:24] <cjohnston> timppa: saucy was released on the 17th
[20:24] <popey> marinella: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install#Step_2_-_Device_unlock and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install#Step_3_-_Initial_Device_Setup
[20:25] <timppa> trusty-preinstalled-touch-armhf.tar.gz         29-Oct-2013 13:56  396M
[20:26] <timppa> that's the latest trusty == r5 ?
[20:26] <cjohnston> timppa: you just asked about saucy. 5 is the latest stable trusty image
[20:26] <timppa> yes :)
[20:27] <timppa> I was just confused as Ihad r5 before the update and I had r5 after update also
[20:29] <marinella> popey:Now unlock your device and confirm the backup operation.... which is  password? password root my ubuntu 13.04?
[20:29] <popey> password?
[20:29] <popey> I have no idea what is asking you for a password.
[20:30] <marinella> yes why  ---> sudo adb backup -apk -shared -all
[20:30] <marinella> so :  adb backup -apk -shared -all
[20:31] <marinella> yes --- not sudo
[20:33] <marinella> there is a password... my be password from root ubuntu touch?
[20:33] <kdub> where did android-chroot go?
[20:34] <popey> marinella: as I said, I havent ever done the backup
[20:34] <marinella> i understand
[20:36] <fzeta> hi all!
[20:36] <marinella> how i can do with this password? may be password root my ubuntu 13.04?
[20:36] <popey> the password is your password, if you are running sudo
[20:37] <marinella> but password nexus or password ubuntu 13.04?
[20:37] <marinella> not nexus 4 ask  me password
[20:38] <popey> The password is your ubuntu password, if you type sudo in ubuntu.
[20:38] <marinella> yes for that but after device ask me password now i read you
[20:38] <popey> I can't help with that. I havent ever done the backup
[20:39]  * popey goes to make foood
[20:41] <marinella> popey:software device nexus 4 say: if you wish  to encrypt the full backup data enter  a poassword below....ahhhhhhhhhhh wait so i don't enter password for encrrpt and i do  back up my data...
[20:41] <marinella> yessssssssssssssssssss
[20:42] <marinella> popey smack
[20:45] <popey> ☻
[20:46] <cpined> hello
[20:46] <cpined> anyone know of a way to install Ubuntu touch on a coby kyros?
[20:51] <popey> cpined: someone would need to port ubuntu touch to that device
[20:51] <cpined> popey: Is that difficult to do?
[20:52] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting <- see that guide
[20:52] <popey> I haven't done it, but it needs some skill
[20:52] <cpined> ic....thanks...I'll see how far I can get.
[20:52] <fzeta> if anyone cares http://goo.gl/Pi9NXJ
[20:53]  * snwh is away: Away
[21:02] <marinella> Popey: smackkkkkkkkkkkkkk now i have got my ubuntu touch wowwwww
[21:16] <ondra> ssweeny: ping
[21:16] <ssweeny> ondra, pong
[21:16] <popey> marinella: yay
[21:17]  * snwh is back (gone 00:24:05)
[21:18] <fginther> sergiusens, how do you feel about adding an option to phablet-config to add .deb packages from a zip file or URL?
[21:18] <Mirv> Saviq: I believe that qtubuntu FTBFS is stopping my effort for now, do you have any idea of that?
[21:19] <marinella> bye guys and thanks popey
[21:19] <marinella> now i have my ubuntu touch  bye from italy sicily smackkkkk
[21:20] <popey> ☻
[21:20] <Mirv> Saviq: I'll put the other recipes in as well to have build results, but as a whole unity8 won't start without qtubuntu rebuild I believe
[21:55]  * snwh is away: Away
[22:00] <kenvandine> ogra_, did you get am image spin going?
[22:06] <aquarius> larsu, ping about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/1099972 and thank you for your comments. I don't know how to mark it as affecting *both* indicator-sound *and* gnome-settings-daemon; can you do that? (If you think it's still applicable to gnome-settings-daemon after reading my comment, of course.)
[22:08] <Mirv> Saviq: ok unity8 FTBFS too, but qtubuntu-sensors build fine. I'll start a qt5.2 bug tag maybe?
[22:08] <Mirv> Saviq: actually only some tests fail
[22:10] <ogra_> kenvandine, no, mir is stuck in proposed
[22:11] <kenvandine> grrr
[22:11] <kenvandine> ogra_, why?
[22:11] <ogra_> kenvandine, and i'm realy tired, that might still take a few cycles
[22:11] <kenvandine> ok
[22:11] <kenvandine> ogra_, understandable
[22:11] <ogra_> cyphermox, and infinity are on it in #ubuntu-release
[22:11] <kenvandine> i'm glad i have it fixed in my image
[22:12] <ogra_> uts is broken and autopilot needs a respin it seems
[22:14] <larsu> aquarius: sure, if you give me a good reason to do so :) (I really think this doesn't belong into the sound menu's code)
[22:15] <aquarius> larsu, see comment on the bug, and then we'll argue about it :) (tl;dr: song metadata is known by sound menu and the app and no-one else, and apps should not have to talk bluetooth)
[22:18] <larsu> aquarius: no, apps expose MPRIS (or something similar). The sound menu is just one client that reads the meta data
[22:18] <larsu> aquarius: something in the bluetooth stack could also read it
[22:19] <aquarius> larsu, right, but it is totally unclear to me that gnome-settings-daemon should read that mpris metadata. I agree that probably the cleanest thing is to have *another* daemon running which does this, but that feels a lot like it'll just never happen: adding this to the sound menu would make it more likely to actually happen, and it'd make Ubuntu better than every other plaform because everyone else screws this up and
[22:19] <aquarius>  we could be great. :)
[22:22] <larsu> aquarius: fair enough. It just feels wrong in the stack for to me. I don't know enough about the bluetooth stack to give an informed opinion here, so I'll just add indicator-sound back to the bug for now :)
[22:23] <larsu> aquarius: thanks for the detailed bug report btw ;)
[22:24] <aquarius> larsu, right. I don't know enough about the bluetooth stack to implement something like this (nor do I know enough about C to do it :)), hence a bug report which did its best to outline what would be a cool feature, list all the different parts of it, and explain why it's cool :)
[22:24] <aquarius> you get detailed bug reports when I'm incapable of saying "here is a stupid python implementation" ;-)
[22:24] <larsu> haha, cool!
[22:26] <aquarius> it should probably also be assigned to $SOMETHING in the bluetooth stack, but I know so little about that that I don't even know package names :P
[22:26] <larsu> me too - I'll ask around
[22:27] <aquarius> also, the initial bug report said "and then music-playing web apps can work with bluetooth headsets, something no other platform can do", and since then iOS7 has come out and that *does* work there. I do not know whether this is evidence for doing this or evidence against :)
[22:32] <xnox> larsu: i wish notification bubles had text-to-speech functionality =) especially to announce the "Adele - Someone Like You" like it's done on some digital / automated radio stations =)
[22:32] <zbcm> Hi, where can I download the image? I can't find it.
[22:34] <larsu> xnox: shouldn't that be a feature of the music player?
[22:35] <larsu> so that it can start the song _after_ the anuncement?
[22:35] <larsu> *announcement
[22:40] <aquarius> larsu, clearly there should be a daemon listening to mpris which does the announcements, then it'd work for every music player ;)
[22:40] <aquarius> hey, can upstart listen to mpris now?
[22:41] <aquarius> it can do D-Bus stuff
[22:41] <aquarius> if so, then you wouldn't need a daemon; you could just drop an upstart user session script which listens for mpris new-song notifications and shells out to "echo $MPRIS_SONG_NAME | festival --tts" ;)
[22:41] <aquarius> larsu, that might be the solution for the bluetooth stuff, too....?
[22:42] <aquarius> I am totally in love with upstart user sessions, incidentally, in case you couldn't tell :P
[22:45] <w-flo> wait, we can use/will be able to use mpris in apps? sounds pretty cool. I disabled my mpris code because I was afraid of confinement breaking things :)
[22:46] <aquarius> w-flo, it's possible that it doesn't work right now, but there will need to be QML bindings to it, yes :)
[22:46] <aquarius> w-flo, whether they exist at the moment is another question :P
[22:46] <w-flo> well, I wrote my own using qt-dbus or whatever it's called
[22:46] <w-flo> not sure if that is even in the image though :D
[22:47] <aquarius> woah. you qualify as being tough enough :)
[22:47] <aquarius> you might want to approach the SDK people and say: you guys need for native apps to be able to talk to the sound menu: is this thing that I've written any help in getting started on that? :)
[22:47] <w-flo> it's probably poor quality, I just hacked something together until things showed up in the sound indicator thingie..
[22:48] <w-flo> well I'd rather not share that ugly code :D
[22:48]  * aquarius grins
[22:48] <aquarius> bzoltan is the chap to talk to about the SDK.
[22:48] <aquarius> ha! seb128 disagrees with larsu that my bluetooth bug ought to involve gnome-settings-daemon ;)
[22:49] <aquarius> xnox, the above thought about a tiny upstart script that listens to mpris d-bus stuff was directed at you :)
[22:49] <larsu> aquarius: I'm glad he's sitting next to me right now!
[22:49] <larsu> seb128: no cookie!
[22:49] <seb128> aquarius, hey, how are you?
[22:49]  * aquarius laughs
[22:49] <seb128> larsu, who cares, I'm keeping space for the steak tonight
[22:49] <aquarius> heya seb128! How's it going? Life on the outside is surprisingly fun :)
[22:49] <larsu> :D
[22:50] <aquarius> seb128, rumour has it that you were playing my Riddling game with kenvandine earlier in the week :)
[22:50] <seb128> aquarius, good, I'm a bit annoyed to you, I wasted one hour at the bar earlier in the week because of your astronaut bug :p
[22:50]  * seb128 shakes fist at buggy games
[22:50] <aquarius> I really am sorry about the astronaut bug. I can't even blame it on the code: the fault was just that I can't read!
[22:51] <aquarius> it is fixed now :)
[22:51] <charles> maybe we should spend all our bug time at the bar
[22:51] <seb128> thanks for fixing it ;-)
[22:51] <aquarius> and davidcalle has completed the game, so there aren't any other totally game-destroying bugs (other than the two I've fixed, but one of them got fixed before anyone got to that level ;))
[22:51]  * charles contemplates a Bug Triage Drinking Game
[22:52] <fishscene> lol charles. You'd have a flood of new game dev's and QA personel with that game…. or policy ;)
[22:53] <aquarius> charles, pah! What you want -- I've been meaning to do this for *years* -- is Launchpad Fantasy Football. At the beginning of the year, you get a certain stack of money and you buy a team of Ubuntu developers, and then every time one of them fixes a bug or triages something or writes a branch or something you get a score... and the game is to end up with a higher score than everyone else at the end of the year
[22:53] <aquarius> it'd be comedy. And in five years everyone's performance ratings will be based on how much they cost in Launchpad Fantasy Football :)
[22:53] <RAOF> Speaking of things-that-should-be-on-the-image: telepathy & telepathy-qt.
[22:53]  * RAOF needs his phone IM platform!
[22:53] <aquarius> that's a good idea
[22:54] <aquarius> bit vicious on battery life, though, innit? Do other IM systems on phones actually connect themselves, or use server push notifications?
[22:54] <xnox> aquarius: what was your bug? link?
[22:54]  * charles signs pitti in the first draft
[22:54] <charles> https://launchpad.net/~pitti/+karma
[22:54] <aquarius> xnox, my bug was https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/1099972 -- I discussed it with you when filing it :)
[22:54] <RAOF> aquarius: Shouldn't be terrible on the battery life; you just need to keep a TCP connection open.
[22:55] <RAOF> aquarius: It'll be idle almost all the time. This is how IM works on non-terrible phone platforms
[22:55] <aquarius> charles, the magic automated algorithm thingy (patent pending) would obviously work out the prices so you can't buy pitti *and* seb *and* didrocks, for example ;)
[22:55] <RAOF> aquarius: And, by “non-terrible phone platforms” I believe I currently mean “android” ☺
[22:55] <aquarius> RAOF, ah, OK. I do not know much about battery life, which is why I'm not allowed to write daemons ;)
[22:56] <kenvandine> aquarius, riddling is awesome :)
[22:57] <xnox> aquarius: ah gotcha. Wanted to read the full bug =)
[22:57] <aquarius> kenvandine, people certainly seem to have enjoyed it, even with a game-breaking astronaut bug which makes seb128 want to shoot me ;)
[22:59] <xnox> aquarius: to be honest we will need "gadgets" api / protocols eventually for: usb, bluetooth, nfs, etc.
[23:00] <aquarius> xnox, we probably will -- but I would really, really, really not like to tell app developers that if they want their apps to work right with bluetooth, they have to do that themselves. Because most won't bother. But they *will* bother to integrate with the Sound Menu because it's there all the time... so if integrating with the sound menu means you automatically work with bluetooth headsets and car stereos, then
[23:00] <aquarius> Ubuntu will have bluetooth support 126 million times better than any rival platform :)
[23:01] <xnox> aquarius: is there existing api / protocol mechanisms for streaming that type of info/notifications over bluetooth?
[23:02] <aquarius> xnox, there must be, because other phones do it
[23:02] <xnox> aquarius: last time I did anything remotely close to that I had to install their "app" on my phone and then it started to work.
[23:03] <aquarius> they just don't do it *reliably*, because app developers don't do it reliably. For example, Apple's music and podcast apps on iOS work perfectly with the lock screen music controls and with bluetooth devices such as my car. Most other music apps do not correctly report metadata for the song they're playing.
[23:03] <aquarius> And music-playing *web* apps have no way to talk to bluetooth, even if we have a native bluetooth api for native apps.
[23:03] <aquarius> but everyone can talk to the sound menu -- music playing web apps can *already* do that
[23:04] <aquarius> so if the thing which talks to bluetooth is driven by the same data that the sound menu is, then everything Just Works -- if we ever have lock screen music controls, they'd just work too.
[23:04]  * xnox notes that aquarius is talking to rural inhabitant of London who doesn't own a single bluetooth capable device, nor a car.
[23:05] <xnox> ( well my phone has bluetooth, but nothing to connect to =) )
[23:05] <aquarius> that's why I made the bug report so detailed, so it would hopefully make at least a tiny bit of sense even to people who don't have a car because they have nowhere to park it ;)
[23:05] <xnox> aquarius: i think we need to have bluetooth to car thing / integration, not for music (as that drains battery) but for calls to begin with.
[23:05] <xnox> kind of slightly more important =)
[23:06] <aquarius> well, possibly
[23:06] <aquarius> I agree we probably need calls first
[23:06] <aquarius> but I bet you half the people who *use* the bluetooth in their car use it more for music ;)
[23:07] <JurassicJon> screw talking to people, more music