[05:35] morning all [05:36] More oom [05:36] hi mazal [05:37] ek volg julle werk met thunderbird [05:37] hehe [05:37] maar ek gebruik weer evolution [05:37] Ubuntu is 'n gemors van laasweek af [05:38] Thunderbird , Unity dash en Ubuntu One stukkend [05:38] Raak baie geirriteerd met dit [05:38] wat het gebeur me t dash [05:38] myne werk goed nog na upgrades [05:39] op 12.04 [05:40] Dash wys nie recent nie en kan ook nie meer search nie [05:40] o ek het daai recen afgesit sodat ek net goed sien wat ek gebruik [05:41] ek gebruik selle goed die meeste van die tyd so dit spaar n tikery [05:41] Alles het gekom na laasweek se kernel update [05:42] en recovery na n oue help nie? [05:42] Nou sukkel ek maar so aan en hoop dat volgende updates gaan reg maak. Het nie tyd vir 'n re-install nie [05:42] sjoe [05:42] En een van my favourite linux tools , parted magic , is nou skielik ook nie meer free nie [05:43] Moet ook nou gekoop word :( [05:43] So die Ubuntu / Linux wereld krap my weer goed die laaste tyd [05:43] eish [05:43] het jy nie n cd met dit op nie [05:44] Ja ek het nog die ou een [05:44] Maar nou kan mens nie meer updated een kry nie [05:44] dan gebruik die oue man [05:44] En die ander een , Redo , lyk my het gaan stilstaan. Die laaste update was einde 2012 :( [05:44] En remastersys gebeur daar ook niks meer verder nie en het ook gaan stilstaan [05:45] ja wel wat kan ons doen [05:45] Mens kannie so sukkel nie [05:45] ek wil nog kyk na relinux [05:46] Ek kannie onthou wanneer laas was Ubuntu problem free nie [05:46] Nuutste versions is vol bollie en LTS ook [05:46] maar dink my dvdskrywer het gekalf nou [05:46] ai! man my 12.04 werk goed op unity en kde [05:47] Laaste ruk het dit my weer herhinner aan die gesegde " Linux is only free if your time means nothing " [05:47] haha [05:48] Is die waarheid , mens moet so baie tyd spandeer aan problem solving en re-installs dat mens nie by iets anders kan uitkom nie [05:48] Of jy moet maar aansukkel en hoop updates fix wat hulle gebreek het dalk [06:06] is ubuntuone stukkend op jou pc ? [06:07] ek sal kyk of dit nog hier werk op die 1ste [06:08] Ek het hom reggekry met gesukkel [06:08] Moes hom remove , sekere folder in ~ delete en oor install [06:09] En toe wipe hy al die docs wat ek daardie dag aan gewerk het en vervang met oues wat op die server was [06:09] ai! [06:13] aw [06:16] More almal [06:16] lo bduk1 [06:18] Hoe gaan dit daaikant Kilos [06:18] goed dankie en daar [06:19] Kla nie darem bietjie reen gehad en die veld word groen beeste en skape word bietjie vet [06:20] ja dit moet net aan hou elke week [06:38] hi Vince-0 space [06:39] Hello Kilos, my friend. [06:40] you well? [06:40] Who always greets me despite I do nothing for the channel and I am not South African. [06:40] haha [06:41] If you use linux youre part of the family doesn't matter where you live [06:45] wheee our new gaming server we're taking live on the network has arrived and is being shipped to its hosting location now [06:45] Heyo [06:46] lo all btw :) [06:46] hi Symmetria [06:47] heh, putting down a insanely sized gaming server to host a gaming server for low latency gaming in east and southern africa [06:47] gonna be awesome [06:48] where is this server gonna be situated Symmetria ? [06:50] Battlefield 4? [06:51] kilos, uganda, but the latency back to za is only 50 odd ms [06:51] vince should be on there yes [06:51] ah sounds good for gamers. is this where you gonna stick a mirror on? [06:51] we've pulled a direct gigE circuit between south africa and mombassa, and from mombassa -> nairobi -> kampala we have 10G circuits, so it doesn't have to go beyond africa [06:52] kilos thats seperate hardware, still waiting for approvals on that, hopefully week after next will get them [06:52] we'll host the mirrors though in kenya, for various reasons (space and power being one of them) [06:52] ok and what are the chances of doing a deb-delta on it too? [06:53] will save ll of us time and like 80% data costs [06:53] heh once the hardware arrives for the mirror? thats easy [06:53] the box the mirror will go on is *insanely* huge [06:53] with *insane* amounts of disk space [06:53] lovely [06:53] its wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy bigger than mirror.ac.za [06:54] (256gig of ram, dual 6 core cpus, and close to 200 TB of redundant space) [06:54] whew [06:54] heres hoping [06:55] lol, just gotta get the signature for the 60 or 70 thousand dollars [06:55] ;p [06:55] hehe [06:56] i go feed sheep quick [06:57] Hey Symmetria, do you happen to have access to Harare on fibre? I'm trying to get SIP to Africom there reliably [07:02] yes [07:02] vince *HRM* got an ip for me? [07:03] I wanna do some traces and see where it goes [07:03] also, which ISP do you use in south africa? [07:03] because I gotta see the peering situation [07:03] (but we are the de-facto isp in zimbabwe, we have multiple 10G between joburg and harare) [07:04] liquiid or something? let me get IPs - can I PM you in 5 mins? [07:04] 'cos going over seacom is an issue [07:05] yeah sure pm whenever [07:05] and yeah, Im head of IP strategy for Liquid group globally [07:06] ooh I see, shoulda made friends ages ago - these SIP carriers are noobs in Zim and in SA [07:07] good mornings [07:08] * inetpro looking at new mobile phones again [07:08] anyone here tried the S4 mini yet? [07:08] hi inetpro [07:12] hi Kilos [07:13] inetpro, negative on the s4 mini [07:13] but an office colleague has one and it does OK [07:15] Vince-0: thanks [07:15] I'm wondering whether it's a good idea to get an LTE phone [07:15] negative, [07:15] you'll be lucky to get reliable 3G [07:16] and whether it falls back to proper HSDPA/3G if there is no LTE coverage [07:16] find something with a big battery (I got Moto Razr Maxx) [07:16] * inetpro looking for something small for my wife [07:27] lol I flip back to this channel and I see 2 lines that refer to a big battery, and then looking for something small for a wife.... [07:27] and in isolation, those 2 lines looked rather dodgy ;p [07:28] Symmetria: :-) [07:28] haha [07:28] hi magespawn wb [07:28] hey Kilos [07:29] obviously more battery is always recommended [07:29] good morning all [07:29] magespawn: good morning [07:30] how are things this morning? [07:30] bit more lively [07:31] Hi magespawn [07:31] Morning everyone I haven't greeted yet [07:55] * inetpro takes note that the S4 mini has very poor battery life [07:56] perhaps I should reconsider and rather get the note 3 phablet for her [08:03] hmm... dont fiddle inside pc when system is running [08:12] Kilos: what did you break this time? [08:13] hahaha i took out the dvd writet without first shutting down then screen went blank, so had to switch off and on rebooting 12.04 had to fix lotsa orpan inodes [08:13] writer [08:14] i wanna try the writer on a not recently upgraded 12.04 [08:15] ;p my new monitors should arrive in 15 minutes! [08:16] you like a kid at christmas time [08:16] haha [08:16] oh i havent done the weekly smileys i think [08:17] :) :-) [08:37] hi Cantide hows it going there? [08:37] Kilos: it's going well so far :) [08:37] hehe http://www.vodacom.mobi/mobile/main/gift [08:37] how are things in SA? [08:37] good [08:38] also good ty [08:38] '-' [08:38] one smses a friends cell number to 1234 and they get 500 free smses [08:39] >_> [08:39] scam? [08:39] nope i got from my sister [08:39] hi Xethron [08:39] oh :) [08:39] they been advertising it on tv as well [08:40] maybe they feeling the pressure from other isp's [09:14] hi psyatw [09:16] hi Kilos [09:21] hi Kilos [09:22] hi Xethron_ [09:22] when you moving psyatw ? [09:23] Kilos, I don´t know yet [09:23] I have to apply [09:24] well do it man, dont keep us in suspence [09:24] hehe [09:24] hehe [09:24] just now someone else gets the job [09:24] I´ve just come back from Krakow [09:25] well, I hope not [09:25] I´m going to work on it this week, I also need to update my CV [09:25] good [09:26] lotsa IT peeps looking for work so dont waste time [09:37] yeah, I know [09:37] oom Kilos [09:38] ya seun? [09:38] Listen if my logic is right : [09:38] lol [09:38] I just made a iso of my 12.04 with broken unity dash ok [09:38] When I boot that iso in live mode , the unity dash is fine [09:38] yes [09:39] So for me , this looks like whatever is wrong is not a program error , otherwise it would have been broken in live model as well ? [09:39] then its something corrupt on your system [09:39] Am I thinking right ? [09:40] imo yes [09:40] So I'm thinking some or other broken config file in ~ [09:41] Cos nothing in ~ is included in the iso [09:41] is that ~ /home/ [09:42] i use ~/Desktop/ so the ~ is a shortcut past /home/miles/ hey [09:42] ~ is /home/mazal [09:42] ya [09:43] I think something in there broken with unity config files [09:43] so you got something not happy in your own mazal conf [09:43] If my logic makes sense [09:43] sounds right to me, but you should ask the clever peeps [09:43] There's mos tons of unity and gtk config files in our home folders [09:44] you could go with aptitude reinsta [09:44] reinstall some of the unity files [09:44] or ubuntu-desktop [09:45] what would re-install ubuntu-desktop do ? [09:45] snap ! [09:45] it installs the desktop [09:45] Or just re-install my iso that works [09:45] aptitude should find and sort the prob [09:46] I don't know aptitude well [09:46] you can do that too yes. i install lots [09:46] sudo aptitude reinstall ubuntu-desktop [09:46] But would rather find a fix less time consuming [09:46] I think I must try that one oom [09:46] or sudo apt-get install ubuntu-dektop --reinstall [09:47] Gonna give that a try now [09:47] i like aptitude it gives you feedback that i understand and removes whats not needed [09:53] oh my he crashed [09:53] or rebooted hopefully [09:56] Nog dieselle [09:56] wb mazal [09:56] ai [09:56] Maar die ander user id op my pc sin werk ook reg [09:56] Is iets in my user se configs , maar wat en hoe kry mens dit reg [09:57] then its personal [09:57] google [09:57] Google weet nie , het al getry [09:58] i dunno if sudo dpkg --configure -a kan help nie [09:59] tell me again what is wrong with your dash [10:01] only forgets recently used? [10:04] app lens no recent section at all and all lenses can't search [10:04] For example file lense I can't search my files [10:05] lemme look in synaptic [10:06] open synaptic and type in lens [10:06] then right click reinstall them all [10:07] or see what they are called and use aptitude to reinstall [10:09] Done , laak eers logout en sien [10:10] hehe [10:11] Nope , selle [10:11] ai [10:12] theres some conf file you gonna have to rename or delete first then run lots of installs again to reconfigure [10:14] Gonna try to re-install unity now [10:14] something in /mazal/ [10:14] hmm... [10:18] No difference [10:18] ai! [10:18] use the other user [10:19] or make new user with your same nick [10:19] username [10:19] and give it admin rights [10:20] same username and password [10:20] That will cos a lot of issues with configs and permissions [10:20] then once going and if all is good remove the original user [10:21] not if you use same username and password [10:21] Can't have 2 users with same name [10:22] hmm... [10:22] I will have to backup , remove my user , re-create user , put backup back [10:22] hopefully backup dont keep the prob in it [10:22] Will only put back folders that is neccesary [10:23] i wish one of the clever guys would give some guidance [10:23] Will try that when I have time [10:23] ons poep in die donker hier [10:23] Ya [10:24] if one could just find which conf file is the faulty one you can sommer remove it and copy the one from another user without probs [10:26] sjoe if you register your sim with vodacom they want id number or passport number [10:26] grrr [10:27] i dont trust that [10:55] Yay got my thunderbird sorted at least [10:55] Ubuntu one and thunderbird working again , just unity dash problem left [11:03] what did you do? [11:07] Found out how to disable lighning updates in Thunderbird and installed older version again [11:19] oh mazal you can also use synaptic to lock versions of installed packages [11:19] Not for thunderbird add-ons [11:20] You have to do it inside thunderbird add-on manager itself [11:20] you get the package thats installed and tick on it then go edit i think it was and choose lock version [11:20] ok [11:21] any other stuff you dont want upgraded then [11:21] Can I tick " Don't upgrade girlfriend 4.0 to Wife 1.0 " ? [11:21] oh no its on package you get lock version [11:21] lol [11:22] i locked firefox long ago [11:26] I'm still on chrome , don't use firefox anymore [11:26] haha [11:27] If you do that "lock version" will it still download the deb files but just not install them ? [11:27] i dunno [11:27] i think so ya [11:27] i saw once something about packages downloaded but no installed [12:35] hmm... no fish it seems [12:39] Kilos, another one for you [12:39] ok [12:39] The "lock version" setting in synaptic [12:39] yes [12:40] Does it also lock it for cli apt-get ? [12:40] yes but not aptitude upgrade [12:40] aptitude over rides it [12:40] k [12:41] i just did a remastersys to a stick using startup disk creator [12:41] and it works [12:42] I always take it to usb and dvd [12:42] so that overcomes my need to get a dvd writer for a while [12:42] In 13.04 it doesn't work though [12:42] i always did brasero or k3b to dvd [12:43] 13.04 startup disk creator kept crashing like crazy [12:43] made one on a stick using unetbootin but this was with startup disk creator [12:44] i didnt even try it because i couldnt get it to work on older buntus [12:44] Unetbootin never worked on my remastersys iso's. Some or other bug [12:44] lol wierd thats all i could get to work [12:44] Just kept giving boot loader error [12:45] ai! [12:45] I'm gone , have a nice evening [12:45] when it asks for password just before loading the boot loadrer you cant make it wait [12:45] Cheers all [12:45] you too [12:45] Lekker aand oom [12:46] jy ook dankie [14:09] magespawn: hey [14:09] magespawn: is there anything touristy to do up your way? [14:10] heading to St. Lucia on Friday, staying in Hluhluwe-Imfolozi Park, Hluhluwe side [14:21] there used to be boat tours up the estuary right to the lake in the old days and of course game spotting drives for tourist in the reserve [14:22] but our game guide retired and became a geek [14:25] Kilos: I've booked a tour on the Estuary [14:25] Lots Squirm, but I have to run now, I can chat in the morning [14:26] magespawn: cool. [14:26] I mean, we're in the park. but I can only look at animals for a set amount of time :P Then I may start getting bored [14:26] well, at least driving around the park and looking FOR animals [14:27] no fun in that [14:27] lol [14:27] ya better to watch game on tv [14:27] you'll see more of it [14:27] then you can switch channels [14:27] only things I'd really like to see are leopard and cheetah [14:28] on the estuary there used to be lotsa hippos and crocs to see [14:28] best to watch cheetah on tv [14:28] then you see more [14:29] i dunno maybe there are some downloadable vids of cheetah catches and so on [14:31] its almost like on rugby you see much more on tv [14:32] and miss out the boring part of travelling or not being close enough etc [14:32] i used to enjoy walking through the pretoria zoo [14:33] there the animals battle to hide away [14:48] hi fromsite [14:48] welcome to ubuntu-za [14:48] what site you from? [14:48] hehe [14:48] ok bye [14:51] lol [14:51] kilos [14:51] wanna see something hardcore? [14:51] porn? [14:51] no thanks [14:51] lol, I know its booted into windows so don't shoot me [14:51] but check this out [14:51] http://www.alstonnetworks.net/temp/computer.jpg [14:51] ;p thats now my completed setup [14:52] wow [14:52] looks good [14:52] can/do you use all of that? [14:53] yip [14:53] :) [14:53] i can only manage to watch one screen at a time [14:53] how many eyes you got? [14:53] lol, you get used to it [14:53] whew [14:53] only problem with this setup is the heat it generates [14:54] need a better aircon in my office [14:54] ;p [14:54] lol [14:54] lekker for winter [15:24] hi Private_User welcome to ubuntu-za [15:24] crazy nick you have [15:26] lol [15:26] yeah used to used it a long while back [15:26] hehe [15:32] so how many of you geeks are like sheldon in the big bang theory [15:33] what a twit [15:40] has anybody here performed a new install using the ubuntu 13.10 ISO? [15:41] quite a few have tried it yes [15:41] you having probs? [15:42] yep probs [15:42] tried so many different suggestions from the forums and askubuntu [15:42] http://askubuntu.com/questions/368439/unable-to-install-ubuntu-desktop-13-10 [15:42] that is an issue I have as well [15:43] well mosy of the guys are on their way home but state your problem and hang till someone gets a chance to answer [15:43] no worries thanks [15:43] s/mosy/most [15:44] is this your first ubuntu? [15:45] yes [15:45] and are you also only using 500m ram? [15:45] yep [15:45] ubuntu loves lotsa ram [15:45] all the same for me [15:45] i battled even with old pcs with anything under 640m ram [15:46] not old pcs old releases [15:46] if you can add 1g or even 2g you will see everything works [15:47] :( [15:47] aw sorry but thats what i see [15:47] was trying to avoid that [15:47] lemme look at the rest there [15:48] but I do have a minimal install of ubuntu 13.04 server on the same machine [15:48] yes server uses min ram [15:48] its the graphics that needs it [15:48] the gui [15:49] im sure its a ram shortage, but lets see what the guys say when they get home [15:50] yeah thought as much so you say it will not even be possible to maybe from within the server run the install? [15:50] dont you know anyone close by where you can borrow a gig or two just to test? [15:51] your server will run fine until you install a graphic user interface [15:52] hang on I just remember I tried this on a virtual box machine with even less ram, it was extremely slow but worked well the installation part [15:52] im using basically the same setup pc wise but with 1.5g of ram [15:52] once logged in I shut it down cause it was extremely slow so thought it might work on the desktop pc [15:53] ok and you have no issues [15:53] im sure its ram [15:53] then if there are no other suggestions I will have to see if I could get some memory [15:53] nope running 12.04 unity kde and an old 10.10 install [15:54]