[05:35] <Kilos> morning all
[05:36] <mazal> More oom
[05:36] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[05:37] <Kilos> ek volg julle werk met thunderbird
[05:37] <Kilos> hehe
[05:37] <Kilos> maar ek gebruik weer evolution
[05:37] <mazal> Ubuntu is 'n gemors van laasweek af
[05:38] <mazal> Thunderbird , Unity dash en Ubuntu One stukkend
[05:38] <mazal> Raak baie geirriteerd met dit
[05:38] <Kilos> wat het gebeur me t dash
[05:38] <Kilos> myne werk goed nog na upgrades
[05:39] <Kilos> op 12.04
[05:40] <mazal> Dash wys nie recent nie en kan ook nie meer search nie
[05:40] <Kilos> o ek het daai recen afgesit sodat ek net goed sien wat ek gebruik
[05:41] <Kilos> ek gebruik selle goed die meeste van die tyd so dit spaar n tikery
[05:41] <mazal> Alles het gekom na laasweek se kernel update
[05:42] <Kilos> en recovery na n oue help nie?
[05:42] <mazal> Nou sukkel ek maar so aan en hoop dat volgende updates gaan reg maak. Het nie tyd vir 'n re-install nie
[05:42] <Kilos> sjoe
[05:42] <mazal> En een van my favourite linux tools , parted magic , is nou skielik ook nie meer free nie
[05:43] <mazal> Moet ook nou gekoop word :(
[05:43] <mazal> So die Ubuntu / Linux wereld krap my weer goed die laaste tyd
[05:43] <Kilos> eish
[05:43] <Kilos> het jy nie n cd met dit op nie
[05:44] <mazal> Ja ek het nog die ou een
[05:44] <mazal> Maar nou kan mens nie meer updated een kry nie
[05:44] <Kilos> dan gebruik die oue man
[05:44] <mazal> En die ander een , Redo , lyk my het gaan stilstaan. Die laaste update was einde 2012 :(
[05:44] <mazal> En remastersys gebeur daar ook niks meer verder nie en het ook gaan stilstaan
[05:45] <Kilos> ja wel wat kan ons doen
[05:45] <mazal> Mens kannie so sukkel nie
[05:45] <Kilos> ek wil nog kyk na relinux
[05:46] <mazal> Ek kannie onthou wanneer laas was Ubuntu problem free nie
[05:46] <mazal> Nuutste versions is vol bollie en LTS ook
[05:46] <Kilos> maar dink my dvdskrywer het gekalf nou
[05:46] <Kilos> ai! man my 12.04 werk goed op unity en kde
[05:47] <mazal> Laaste ruk het dit my weer herhinner aan die gesegde " Linux is only free if your time means nothing "
[05:47] <Kilos> haha
[05:48] <mazal> Is die waarheid , mens moet so baie tyd spandeer aan problem solving en re-installs dat mens nie by iets anders kan uitkom nie
[05:48] <mazal> Of jy moet maar aansukkel en hoop updates fix wat hulle gebreek het dalk
[06:06] <Kilos> is ubuntuone stukkend op jou pc ?
[06:07] <Kilos> ek sal kyk of dit nog hier werk op die 1ste
[06:08] <mazal> Ek het hom reggekry met gesukkel
[06:08] <mazal> Moes hom remove , sekere folder in ~ delete en oor install
[06:09] <mazal> En toe wipe hy al die docs wat ek daardie dag aan gewerk het en vervang met oues wat op die server was
[06:09] <Kilos> ai!
[06:13] <Kilos> aw
[06:16] <bduk1> More almal
[06:16] <Kilos> lo bduk1 
[06:18] <bduk1> Hoe gaan dit daaikant Kilos 
[06:18] <Kilos> goed dankie en daar
[06:19] <bduk1> Kla nie darem bietjie reen gehad en die veld word groen beeste en skape word bietjie vet
[06:20] <Kilos> ja dit moet net aan hou elke week
[06:38] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 space 
[06:39] <space> Hello Kilos, my friend.
[06:40] <Kilos> you well?
[06:40] <space> Who always greets me despite I do nothing for the channel and I am not South African.
[06:40] <Kilos> haha
[06:41] <bduk1> If you use linux youre part of the family doesn't matter where you live
[06:45] <Symmetria> wheee our new gaming server we're taking live on the network has arrived and is being shipped to its hosting location now
[06:45] <Vince-0> Heyo
[06:46] <Symmetria> lo all btw :)
[06:46] <Kilos> hi Symmetria 
[06:47] <Symmetria> heh, putting down a insanely sized gaming server to host a gaming server for low latency gaming in east and southern africa
[06:47] <Symmetria> gonna be awesome
[06:48] <Kilos> where is this server gonna be situated Symmetria ?
[06:50] <Vince-0> Battlefield 4?
[06:51] <Symmetria> kilos, uganda, but the latency back to za is only 50 odd ms 
[06:51] <Symmetria> vince should be on there yes
[06:51] <Kilos> ah sounds good for gamers. is this where you gonna stick a mirror on?
[06:51] <Symmetria> we've pulled a direct gigE circuit between south africa and mombassa, and from mombassa -> nairobi -> kampala we have 10G circuits, so it doesn't have to go beyond africa 
[06:52] <Symmetria> kilos thats seperate hardware, still waiting for approvals on that, hopefully week after next will get them
[06:52] <Symmetria> we'll host the mirrors though in kenya, for various reasons (space and power being one of them)
[06:52] <Kilos> ok and what are the chances of doing a deb-delta on it too?
[06:53] <Kilos> will save ll of us time and like 80% data costs
[06:53] <Symmetria> heh once the hardware arrives for the mirror? thats easy
[06:53] <Symmetria> the box the mirror will go on is *insanely* huge 
[06:53] <Symmetria> with *insane* amounts of disk space
[06:53] <Kilos> lovely
[06:53] <Symmetria> its wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy bigger than mirror.ac.za
[06:54] <Symmetria> (256gig of ram, dual 6 core cpus, and close to 200 TB of redundant space)
[06:54] <Kilos> whew
[06:54] <Kilos> heres hoping
[06:55] <Symmetria> lol, just gotta get the signature for the 60 or 70 thousand dollars 
[06:55] <Symmetria> ;p
[06:55] <Kilos> hehe
[06:56] <Kilos> i go feed sheep quick
[06:57] <Vince-0> Hey Symmetria, do you happen to have access to Harare on fibre? I'm trying to get SIP to Africom there reliably
[07:02] <Symmetria> yes
[07:02] <Symmetria> vince *HRM* got an ip for me?
[07:03] <Symmetria> I wanna do some traces and see where it goes 
[07:03] <Symmetria> also, which ISP do you use in south africa?
[07:03] <Symmetria> because I gotta see the peering situation 
[07:03] <Symmetria> (but we are the de-facto isp in zimbabwe, we have multiple 10G between joburg and harare)
[07:04] <Vince-0> liquiid or something? let me get IPs - can I PM you in 5 mins?
[07:04] <Vince-0> 'cos going over seacom is an issue
[07:05] <Symmetria> yeah sure pm whenever
[07:05] <Symmetria> and yeah, Im head of IP strategy for Liquid group globally
[07:06] <Vince-0> ooh I see, shoulda made friends ages ago - these SIP carriers are noobs in Zim and in SA
[07:07] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:08]  * inetpro looking at new mobile phones again
[07:08] <inetpro> anyone here tried the S4 mini yet?
[07:08] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[07:12] <inetpro> hi Kilos
[07:13] <Vince-0> inetpro, negative on the s4 mini
[07:13] <Vince-0> but an office colleague has one and it does OK
[07:15] <inetpro> Vince-0: thanks
[07:15] <inetpro> I'm wondering whether it's a good idea to get an LTE phone
[07:15] <Vince-0> negative,
[07:15] <Vince-0> you'll be lucky to get reliable 3G
[07:16] <inetpro> and whether it falls back to proper HSDPA/3G if there is no LTE coverage
[07:16] <Vince-0> find something with a big battery (I got Moto Razr Maxx)
[07:16]  * inetpro looking for something small for my wife
[07:27] <Symmetria> lol I flip back to this channel and I see 2 lines that refer to a big battery, and then looking for something small for a wife....
[07:27] <Symmetria> and in isolation, those 2 lines looked rather dodgy ;p
[07:28] <inetpro> Symmetria: :-)
[07:28] <Kilos> haha
[07:28] <Kilos> hi magespawn wb
[07:28] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[07:29] <inetpro> obviously more battery is always recommended
[07:29] <magespawn> good morning all
[07:29] <inetpro> magespawn: good morning
[07:30] <magespawn> how are things this morning?
[07:30] <Kilos> bit more lively
[07:31] <mazal> Hi magespawn 
[07:31] <mazal> Morning everyone I haven't greeted yet
[07:55]  * inetpro takes note that the S4 mini has very poor battery life
[07:56] <inetpro> perhaps I should reconsider and rather get the note 3 phablet for her
[08:03] <Kilos> hmm... dont fiddle inside pc when system is running
[08:12] <inetpro> Kilos: what did you break this time?
[08:13] <Kilos> hahaha i took out the dvd writet without first shutting down then screen went blank, so had to switch off and on rebooting 12.04 had to fix lotsa orpan inodes
[08:13] <Kilos> writer
[08:14] <Kilos> i wanna try the writer on a not recently upgraded 12.04
[08:15] <Symmetria> ;p my new monitors should arrive in 15 minutes!
[08:16] <Kilos> you like a kid at christmas time
[08:16] <Kilos> haha
[08:16] <Kilos> oh i havent done the weekly smileys i think
[08:17] <Kilos> :) :-) 
[08:37] <Kilos> hi Cantide hows it going there?
[08:37] <Cantide> Kilos: it's going well so far :)
[08:37] <Kilos> hehe http://www.vodacom.mobi/mobile/main/gift
[08:37] <Cantide> how are things in SA?
[08:37] <Kilos> good
[08:38] <Kilos> also good ty
[08:38] <Cantide> '-'
[08:38] <Kilos> one smses a friends cell number to 1234 and they get 500 free smses
[08:39] <Cantide> >_>
[08:39] <Cantide> scam?
[08:39] <Kilos> nope i got from my sister
[08:39] <Kilos> hi Xethron 
[08:39] <Cantide> oh :)
[08:39] <Kilos> they been advertising it on tv as well
[08:40] <Kilos> maybe they feeling the pressure from other isp's
[09:14] <Kilos> hi psyatw 
[09:16] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[09:21] <Xethron_> hi Kilos
[09:22] <psyatw> hi Xethron_
[09:22] <Kilos> when you moving psyatw ?
[09:23] <psyatw> Kilos, I don´t know yet
[09:23] <psyatw> I have to apply
[09:24] <Kilos> well do it man, dont keep us in suspence
[09:24] <Kilos> hehe
[09:24] <psyatw> hehe
[09:24] <Kilos> just now someone else gets the job
[09:24] <psyatw> I´ve just come back from Krakow
[09:25] <psyatw> well, I hope not
[09:25] <psyatw> I´m going to work on it this week, I also need to update my CV
[09:25] <Kilos> good
[09:26] <Kilos> lotsa IT peeps looking for work so dont waste time
[09:37] <psyatw> yeah, I know
[09:37] <mazal> oom Kilos 
[09:38] <Kilos> ya seun?
[09:38] <mazal> Listen if my logic is right :
[09:38] <Kilos> lol
[09:38] <mazal> I just made a iso of my 12.04 with broken unity dash ok
[09:38] <mazal> When I boot that iso in live mode , the unity dash is fine
[09:38] <Kilos> yes
[09:39] <mazal> So for me , this looks like whatever is wrong is not a program error , otherwise it would have been broken in live model as well ?
[09:39] <Kilos> then its something corrupt on your system
[09:39] <mazal> Am I thinking right ?
[09:40] <Kilos> imo yes
[09:40] <mazal> So I'm thinking some or other broken config file in ~
[09:41] <mazal> Cos nothing in ~ is included in the iso
[09:41] <Kilos> is that ~ /home/
[09:42] <Kilos> i use ~/Desktop/ so the ~ is a shortcut past /home/miles/ hey
[09:42] <mazal> ~  is /home/mazal
[09:42] <Kilos> ya
[09:43] <mazal> I think something in there broken with unity config files
[09:43] <Kilos> so you got something not happy in your own mazal conf
[09:43] <mazal> If my logic makes sense
[09:43] <Kilos> sounds right to me, but you should ask the clever peeps
[09:43] <mazal> There's mos tons of unity and gtk config files in our home folders
[09:44] <Kilos> you could go with aptitude reinsta
[09:44] <Kilos> reinstall some of the unity files
[09:44] <Kilos> or ubuntu-desktop
[09:45] <mazal> what would re-install ubuntu-desktop do ?
[09:45] <mazal> snap !
[09:45] <Kilos> it installs the desktop
[09:45] <mazal> Or just re-install my iso that works
[09:45] <Kilos> aptitude should find and sort the prob
[09:46] <mazal> I don't know aptitude well
[09:46] <Kilos> you can do that too yes. i install lots
[09:46] <Kilos> sudo aptitude reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[09:46] <mazal> But would rather find a fix less time consuming
[09:46] <mazal> I think I must try that one oom
[09:46] <Kilos> or sudo apt-get install ubuntu-dektop --reinstall
[09:47] <mazal> Gonna give that a try now
[09:47] <Kilos> i like aptitude it gives you feedback that i understand and removes whats not needed
[09:53] <Kilos> oh my he crashed
[09:53] <Kilos> or rebooted hopefully
[09:56] <mazal> Nog dieselle
[09:56] <Kilos> wb mazal 
[09:56] <Kilos> ai
[09:56] <mazal> Maar die ander user id op my pc sin werk ook reg
[09:56] <mazal> Is iets in my user se configs , maar wat en hoe kry mens dit reg
[09:57] <Kilos> then its personal
[09:57] <Kilos> google
[09:57] <mazal> Google weet nie , het al getry
[09:58] <Kilos> i dunno if sudo dpkg --configure -a kan help nie
[09:59] <Kilos> tell me again what is wrong with your dash
[10:01] <Kilos> only forgets recently used?
[10:04] <mazal> app lens no recent section at all and all lenses can't search
[10:04] <mazal> For example file lense I can't search my files
[10:05] <Kilos> lemme look in synaptic
[10:06] <Kilos> open synaptic and type in lens
[10:06] <Kilos> then right click reinstall them all
[10:07] <Kilos> or see what they are called and use aptitude to reinstall
[10:09] <mazal> Done , laak eers logout en sien
[10:10] <Kilos> hehe
[10:11] <mazal> Nope , selle
[10:11] <Kilos> ai
[10:12] <Kilos> theres some conf file you gonna have to rename or delete first then run lots of installs again to reconfigure
[10:14] <mazal> Gonna try to re-install unity now
[10:14] <Kilos> something in /mazal/
[10:14] <Kilos> hmm...
[10:18] <mazal> No difference
[10:18] <Kilos> ai!
[10:18] <Kilos> use the other user
[10:19] <Kilos> or make new user with your same nick
[10:19] <Kilos> username
[10:19] <Kilos> and give it admin rights
[10:20] <Kilos> same username and password
[10:20] <mazal> That will cos a lot of issues with configs and permissions
[10:20] <Kilos> then once going and if all is good remove the original user
[10:21] <Kilos> not if you use same username and password
[10:21] <mazal> Can't have 2 users with same name
[10:22] <Kilos> hmm...
[10:22] <mazal> I will have to backup , remove my user , re-create user , put backup back
[10:22] <Kilos> hopefully backup dont keep the prob in it
[10:22] <mazal> Will only put back folders that is neccesary
[10:23] <Kilos> i wish one of the clever guys would give some guidance
[10:23] <mazal> Will try that when I have time
[10:23] <Kilos> ons poep in die donker hier
[10:23] <mazal> Ya
[10:24] <Kilos> if one could just find which conf file is the faulty one you can sommer remove it and copy the one from another user without probs
[10:26] <Kilos> sjoe if you register your sim with vodacom they want id number or passport number
[10:26] <Kilos> grrr
[10:27] <Kilos> i dont trust that
[10:55] <mazal> Yay got my thunderbird sorted at least
[10:55] <mazal> Ubuntu one and thunderbird working again , just unity dash problem left
[11:03] <Kilos> what did you do?
[11:07] <mazal> Found out how to disable lighning updates in Thunderbird and installed older version again
[11:19] <Kilos> oh mazal you can also use synaptic to lock versions of installed packages
[11:19] <mazal> Not for thunderbird add-ons
[11:20] <mazal> You have to do it inside thunderbird add-on manager itself
[11:20] <Kilos> you get the package thats installed and tick on it then go edit i think it was and choose lock version
[11:20] <Kilos> ok
[11:21] <Kilos> any other stuff you dont want upgraded then
[11:21] <mazal> Can I tick " Don't upgrade girlfriend 4.0 to Wife 1.0 " ?
[11:21] <Kilos> oh no its on package you get lock version
[11:21] <Kilos> lol
[11:22] <Kilos> i locked firefox long ago
[11:26] <mazal> I'm still on chrome , don't use firefox anymore
[11:26] <Kilos> haha
[11:27] <mazal> If you do that "lock version" will it still download the deb files but just not install them ?
[11:27] <Kilos> i dunno
[11:27] <Kilos> i think so ya
[11:27] <Kilos> i saw once something about packages downloaded but no installed
[12:35] <Kilos> hmm... no fish it seems
[12:39] <mazal> Kilos, another one for you
[12:39] <Kilos> ok
[12:39] <mazal> The "lock version" setting in synaptic
[12:39] <Kilos> yes
[12:40] <mazal> Does it also lock it for cli apt-get ?
[12:40] <Kilos> yes but not aptitude upgrade
[12:40] <Kilos> aptitude over rides it
[12:40] <mazal> k
[12:41] <Kilos> i just did a remastersys to a stick using startup disk creator
[12:41] <Kilos> and it works
[12:42] <mazal> I always take it to usb and dvd
[12:42] <Kilos> so that overcomes my need to get a dvd writer for a while
[12:42] <mazal> In 13.04 it doesn't work though
[12:42] <Kilos> i always did brasero or k3b to dvd
[12:43] <mazal> 13.04 startup disk creator kept crashing like crazy
[12:43] <Kilos> made one on a stick using unetbootin but this was with startup disk creator
[12:44] <Kilos> i didnt even try it because i couldnt get it to work on older buntus
[12:44] <mazal> Unetbootin never worked on my remastersys iso's. Some or other bug
[12:44] <Kilos> lol wierd thats all i could get to work
[12:44] <mazal> Just kept giving boot loader error
[12:45] <Kilos> ai!
[12:45] <mazal> I'm gone , have a nice evening
[12:45] <Kilos> when it asks for password just before loading the boot loadrer you cant make it wait
[12:45] <mazal> Cheers all
[12:45] <Kilos> you too
[12:45] <mazal> Lekker aand oom
[12:46] <Kilos> jy ook dankie
[14:09] <Squirm> magespawn: hey
[14:09] <Squirm> magespawn: is there anything touristy to do up your way?
[14:10] <Squirm> heading to St. Lucia on Friday, staying in Hluhluwe-Imfolozi Park, Hluhluwe side
[14:21] <Kilos> there used to be boat tours up the estuary right to the lake in the old days and of course game spotting drives for tourist in the reserve
[14:22] <Kilos> but our game guide retired and became a geek
[14:25] <Squirm> Kilos: I've booked a tour on the Estuary
[14:25] <magespawn> Lots Squirm, but I have to run now, I can chat in the morning
[14:26] <Squirm> magespawn: cool.
[14:26] <Squirm> I mean, we're in the park. but I can only look at animals for a set amount of time :P Then I may start getting bored
[14:26] <Squirm> well, at least driving around the park and looking FOR animals
[14:27] <Squirm> no fun in that
[14:27] <Kilos> lol
[14:27] <Kilos> ya better to watch game on tv
[14:27] <Squirm> you'll see more of it
[14:27] <Kilos> then you can switch channels
[14:27] <Squirm> only things I'd really like to see are leopard and cheetah
[14:28] <Kilos> on the estuary there used to be lotsa hippos and crocs to see
[14:28] <Kilos> best to watch cheetah on tv
[14:28] <Kilos> then you see more
[14:29] <Kilos> i dunno maybe there are some downloadable vids of cheetah catches and so on
[14:31] <Kilos> its almost like on rugby you see much more on tv
[14:32] <Kilos> and miss out the boring part of travelling or not being close enough etc
[14:32] <Kilos> i used to enjoy walking through the pretoria zoo
[14:33] <Kilos> there the animals battle to hide away
[14:48] <Kilos> hi fromsite 
[14:48] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[14:48] <Kilos> what site you from?
[14:48] <Kilos> hehe
[14:48] <Kilos> ok bye
[14:51] <Symmetria> lol 
[14:51] <Symmetria> kilos
[14:51] <Symmetria> wanna see something hardcore?
[14:51] <Kilos> porn?
[14:51] <Kilos> no thanks
[14:51] <Symmetria> lol, I know its booted into windows so don't shoot me
[14:51] <Symmetria> but check this out
[14:51] <Symmetria> http://www.alstonnetworks.net/temp/computer.jpg 
[14:51] <Symmetria> ;p thats now my completed setup 
[14:52] <Kilos> wow
[14:52] <Kilos> looks good
[14:52] <Kilos> can/do you use all of that?
[14:53] <Symmetria> yip
[14:53] <Symmetria> :)
[14:53] <Kilos> i can only manage to watch one screen at a time
[14:53] <Kilos> how many eyes you got?
[14:53] <Symmetria> lol, you get used to it
[14:53] <Kilos> whew
[14:53] <Symmetria> only problem with this setup is the heat it generates 
[14:54] <Symmetria> need a better aircon in my office
[14:54] <Symmetria> ;p
[14:54] <Kilos> lol
[14:54] <Kilos> lekker for winter
[15:24] <Kilos> hi Private_User welcome to ubuntu-za
[15:24] <Kilos> crazy nick you have
[15:26] <Private_User> lol
[15:26] <Private_User> yeah used to used it a long while back
[15:26] <Kilos> hehe
[15:32] <Kilos> so how many of you geeks are like sheldon in the big bang theory
[15:33] <Kilos> what a twit
[15:40] <Private_User> has anybody here performed a new install using the ubuntu 13.10 ISO?
[15:41] <Kilos> quite a few have tried it yes
[15:41] <Kilos> you having probs?
[15:42] <Private_User> yep probs
[15:42] <Private_User> tried so many different suggestions from the forums and askubuntu
[15:42] <Private_User> http://askubuntu.com/questions/368439/unable-to-install-ubuntu-desktop-13-10
[15:42] <Private_User> that is an issue I have as well
[15:43] <Kilos> well mosy of the guys are on their way home but state your problem and hang till someone gets a chance to answer
[15:43] <Private_User> no worries thanks
[15:43] <Kilos> s/mosy/most
[15:44] <Kilos> is this your first ubuntu?
[15:45] <Private_User> yes
[15:45] <Kilos> and are you also only using 500m ram?
[15:45] <Private_User> yep
[15:45] <Kilos> ubuntu loves lotsa ram
[15:45] <Private_User> all the same for me
[15:45] <Kilos> i battled even with old pcs with anything under 640m ram
[15:46] <Kilos> not old pcs old releases
[15:46] <Kilos> if you can add 1g or even 2g you will see everything works
[15:47] <Private_User> :(
[15:47] <Kilos> aw sorry but thats what i see
[15:47] <Private_User> was trying to avoid that
[15:47] <Kilos> lemme look at the rest there
[15:48] <Private_User> but I do have a minimal install of ubuntu 13.04 server on the same machine
[15:48] <Kilos> yes server uses min ram
[15:48] <Kilos> its the graphics that needs it
[15:48] <Kilos> the gui
[15:49] <Kilos> im sure its a ram shortage, but lets see what the guys say when they get home
[15:50] <Private_User> yeah thought as much so you say it will not even be possible to maybe from within the server run the install?
[15:50] <Kilos> dont you know anyone close by where you can borrow a gig or two just to test?
[15:51] <Kilos> your server will run fine until you install a graphic user interface
[15:52] <Private_User> hang on I just remember I tried this on a virtual box machine with even less ram, it was extremely slow but worked well the installation part
[15:52] <Kilos> im using basically the same setup pc wise but with 1.5g of ram
[15:52] <Private_User> once logged in I shut it down cause it was extremely slow so thought it might work on the desktop pc
[15:53] <Private_User> ok and you have no issues
[15:53] <Kilos> im sure its ram
[15:53] <Private_User> then if there are no other suggestions I will have to see if I could get some memory
[15:53] <Kilos> nope running 12.04 unity kde and an old 10.10 install
[15:54] <Kilos> also if you want to run a virtual box in it you will need maybe 4g ram to work lekker
[15:54] <Private_User> so I am guessing the other alternative is to maybe install a lighter version like lubuntu or something like that
[15:55] <Kilos> when you get the gray screen do you see a cursor?
[15:55] <Kilos> even then 500m is min
[15:55] <Private_User> nope nothing
[15:56] <Kilos> well lets hear if anyone else has any other suggestions
[15:57] <Kilos> tumbleweed, am i right?
[15:57] <Kilos> Private_User, what graphics card have you got there?
[15:58] <Private_User> hopefully somebody can give a work around. this PC was just collecting dust so i thought I might as well use it
[15:58] <Private_User> its an onboard card I think
[15:58] <Private_User> hang on let me confirm
[15:58] <Kilos> ok
[15:59] <Kilos> a 3g P4 works well with 2g ram and even faster with a goodish graphics card
[16:00] <Kilos> oh also is it a dual core or single core
[16:01] <Kilos> some dual cores dont have the bios setup to use the second one so that also slows it down some
[16:01] <Private_User> its onboard
[16:02] <Kilos> should work. lemme just think a bit
[16:02] <Kilos> hmm...
[16:03] <Kilos> im not sure about 13.10 but onboard i couldnt get more than 2d graphics with 12.04
[16:04] <Kilos> then with a nvidia graphics card in unity came alive
[16:06] <Kilos> if you dont have capped data you can try 12.04. its not as crazy as 13.10
[16:06] <Kilos> lots of guys here go with the LTS releases
[16:08] <Kilos> or even try mint
[16:08] <Kilos> Squirm, you here?
[16:09] <Private_User> ok I think I will try that maybe download that version and see if it works
[16:09] <Private_User> but will have to do it late after 00:00
[16:10] <Private_User> use my off peak data
[16:10] <Kilos> night surfer data?
[16:10] <Kilos> hehe same here
[16:10] <Kilos> 8ta?
[16:10] <Private_User> I have this CellC 200giga
[16:10] <Private_User> once of prepaid for 12 months
[16:11] <Kilos> ah
[16:11] <Private_User> 50GB peak
[16:11] <Kilos> i use the 8ta 2+1
[16:11] <Private_User> 150GB offpeak
[16:11] <Private_User> but once off
[16:11] <Kilos> ya if you can stay up so late thats great
[16:12] <Kilos> 150g is stacks
[16:14] <Private_User> yep its way better that some of the other packages out there, I dream of the day when broadband is cheap here
[16:14] <Kilos> haha dont we all
[16:15] <Private_User> yep
[16:20] <Private_User> btw do you know of a good free open source IRC client I can use?
[16:24] <Kilos> yes
[16:24] <Kilos> xchat its in the ubuntu repos
[16:24] <Kilos> and pidgin for other IM's
[16:25] <Kilos> you know about using the command so just type in sudo apt-get install xchat
[16:26] <Private_User> thanks will check them out
[16:26] <Kilos> yw
[16:29] <Kilos> Private_User, i think this is the link you want for 12.04
[16:31] <Private_User> link?
[16:36] <Kilos> sorry storming so power keeps dying
[16:36] <Kilos> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04.3/release/
[16:38] <Private_User> thank you
[16:38] <Private_User> will use this link later
[16:39] <Kilos> anytime. you must make this channel your main irc channel
[16:41] <Private_User> will do gonna install the IRC client now since I am using the browserbut is it 1.6GB?
[16:41] <Kilos> and we have community meetings here once a month
[16:42] <Kilos> is what that big?
[16:42] <Kilos> irc client is tiny
[16:42] <Private_User> oh sorry the ISO image for
[16:42] <Private_User> ubuntu 12.04
[16:43] <Kilos> whew maybe  but normally around 750m or so
[16:43] <Kilos> 733 was my last one
[16:45] <Kilos> maybe theyve grown some
[16:46] <Private_User> ok
[16:47] <Kilos> you know how to use the terminal hey?
[16:49] <Private_User> I am still learning the commands
[16:49] <Kilos> ctrl+alt+t opens it
[16:49] <Kilos> are you here now from the live iso?
[16:52] <Private_User> from the live ISO? are you speaking about at the setup menu?
[16:53] <Private_User> ok I have just logged in using the client gonna log off from browser now
[16:53] <Kilos> no when you boot from the stick you can choose try ubuntu and then its like a working system
[16:54] <Kilos> hi Resu_Etavirp welcome to ubuntu-ZA
[16:54] <Kilos> oh is that you?
[16:54] <Kilos> hehe
[16:54] <Resu_Etavirp> yep I now closed my browser using the client now
[16:54] <Kilos> you full of crazy nicks
[16:55] <Resu_Etavirp> lol
[16:55] <Kilos> how did you find this channel
[16:57] <Kilos> yo zerlgi 
[16:57] <Kilos> wb
[16:57] <zerlgi> yo Kilos, tx
[16:59] <Kilos> hehe wb
[17:00] <Kilos> what happened
[17:01] <Private_User> tx
[17:01] <Private_User> was just checking a few settings on this client, very simple and easy to use
[17:01] <Kilos> yeah its the best one for me
[17:05] <Private_User> no idea what happened there
[17:05] <Kilos> hehe
[17:05] <Private_User> got the message: Disconnected (An established connection was aborted by the software in your host machine).
[17:06] <Kilos> what host machine?
[17:07] <Private_User> exactly no idea
[17:07] <Kilos> lol
[17:11] <Private_User> this is my windows laptop but not for long I wanna built a completely free and open source system hence my reason for wanting to install on the desktop and start testing to ensure I am able to perform all tasks I need to
[17:11] <Kilos> aha
[17:12] <Kilos> how big is the lappies hdd
[17:13] <Private_User> around well I have the drive partioned into 2 x 109GB but they both almost full
[17:13] <Kilos> so something in windows disconnected you
[17:13] <Kilos> hehe
[17:13] <Private_User> just a gig left in one and around 7 on the other
[17:14] <Symmetria> gawd this desktop setup is awesome when working on tons of things at once
[17:14] <Kilos> bit min otherwise you could run ubuntu alongside windows
[17:14] <Symmetria> I dont know how I'll ever go back to one or 2 screens 
[17:14] <Symmetria> once you go to a setup like this, moving back is horrible
[17:15] <Private_User> so is everybody here ubuntu experts?
[17:17] <Kilos> ya most are
[17:17] <Kilos> only im a noobie
[17:18] <Kilos> \2 of the guys are ubuntu devs and others are programming specialists
[17:18] <Kilos> like python
[17:18] <Private_User> excellent
[17:19] <Private_User> cool stuff
[17:19] <Kilos> we are like a happy family here
[17:26] <Private_User> not sure why I am being disconnected
[17:26] <Kilos> you could get xchat for windows as well
[17:27] <Kilos> http://www.silverex.org/
[17:28] <Private_User> thanks
[17:28] <Private_User> brb
[17:47] <Symmetria> lol I wouldnt call myself an expert 
[17:48] <Symmetria> but I know enough to get around 
[17:48] <Symmetria> ;p
[17:48] <Kilos> such modesty
[17:48] <Kilos> you good at what you do
[17:48] <Symmetria> yeah :) but it aint ubuntu related most of the time 
[17:49] <Symmetria> in networking, yes, there Im an expert, and I know it
[17:49] <Symmetria> lol
[17:49] <Symmetria> in ubuntu? enough to use it pretty well :) 
[17:49] <Kilos> ah
[17:49] <Kilos> horses for courses
[17:54] <Symmetria> heh interesting
[17:54] <Symmetria> you know on amazon's webpage, it shows recommended items
[17:54] <Symmetria> I've just found out that they got their scaling properly, so even if you stretch that page super wide, it properly displays the recommended items next to each other no matter the res
[17:55] <Symmetria> lol, I stretched it across the entire desktop and the page still scaled properly 
[18:03] <Kilos> lol
[18:03] <Kilos> you like playing
[18:06] <Symmetria> hehehe
[18:06] <Symmetria> just seeing what I can do with a desktop this big
[18:06] <Symmetria> ;p
[18:07] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:08] <Symmetria> its just kinda freaky that amazon as you stretch it wider and wider, more and more recommended items appear as you do ;p its cool
[18:55] <Kilos> so guys , we waiting for an answer here about installing 13.10 on a p4 with only 500m ram
[18:55] <Kilos> i dont think it will work,
[18:56] <Kilos> here is the link to what happens
[18:56] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/368439/unable-to-install-ubuntu-desktop-13-10
[18:56] <Kilos> graphics is a prob but im sure ram is too min
[19:32] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight. see ya morrow
[19:37] <Private_User> btw guys correction the ram is 512MB (2x256MB)
[19:39] <Private_User> found on this site https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements I met te min requirements therefore I assumed it would work
[19:39] <Private_User> *the
[19:40] <Private_User> ok looking forward to a solution will check again later
[19:40] <Private_User> for now I am off be back later... much much later ;) cheers
[19:43] <superfly> Private_User: you should be able to do a text install with 512 megs of RAM... though I thought you should be able to do a GUI install with 512
[19:43] <superfly> but if your screen card is the problem, then the text install should allow you to get to a point of installing the right drivers
[19:58] <Symmetria> hahaha
[19:58] <Symmetria> man I always said dell stinks
[19:58] <Symmetria> http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/30/dell-laptops-dont-smell-like-urine/?ncid=rss_truncated
[23:01] <Symmetria> anyone awake that would feel like taking on a small coding project for some decent pay?