[00:01] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: I ran OurProject through urlvoid to test it on various malware checking and blacklist checking sites and it comes up clean. Here's the report: http://www.urlvoid.com/scan/ourproject.org/
[00:01]  * littlegirl is off to feed and will be back later. (:
[00:03] <shadeslayer> hmm, so all was discussed was documentation?
[00:08] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer, not by choice just was not much developers Riddell said
[00:08] <shadeslayer> oh ok
[00:09] <ahoneybun> I believe he said that
[00:09] <shadeslayer> -> only available from 8 AM UTC to 5 PM UTC <- I'd like to keep a sane work schedule :P
[00:10]  * ahoneybun wonders how to get his @kubuntu.org email alias
[00:11] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: its lpusername@kubuntu.org
[00:11] <shadeslayer> which points to your address on Launchpad
[00:11] <shadeslayer> ( the primary email address on launchpad )
[00:11] <ahoneybun> I tried that
[00:13] <ahoneybun> oh
[00:13] <ahoneybun> wait
[00:14] <ahoneybun> nope does not work
[00:23] <ahoneybun> now it worked
[03:16] <rohan> i am not able to connect to WPA2-TLS in kubuntu 13.10. is that a known bug? 
[07:49] <apachelogger> rohan: no
[07:56] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:43] <apachelogger> W: Failed to fetch http://at.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/saucy/Release.gpg  Cannot initiate the connection to at.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (2a00:1860:1:2::101). - connect (101: Network is unreachable) [IP: 2a00:1860:1:2::101 80]
[08:43] <apachelogger> now why it try to use ipv6
[10:15] <shadeslayer> sigh, someone is still building kopete git for 12.10 -.-
[10:19] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:23] <shadeslayer> morning
[10:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yeah was a lot of docs chat
[10:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: the main topic we didn't cover was merges
[10:44] <shadeslayer> okay
[10:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: also I'd like to chat about logind and systemd and whatnot
[10:45] <shadeslayer> Riddell: there was a discussion about plasma startup in #plasma minutes ago
[10:45] <shadeslayer> you might want to read up
[10:45] <Riddell> hmm I wasn't on channel
[10:46] <shadeslayer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6335052/
[10:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: mostly it seems like KDE is going to go the systemd way
[10:50] <shadeslayer> but maybe we can generate upstart files by parsing systemd files / whatever
[10:50] <Riddell> wibble
[10:50] <shadeslayer> but even then, certain features might not be available, might be fiddly
[10:51]  * shadeslayer is not well versed on init systems currently to comment on this
[10:52] <shadeslayer> so if someone who is better at this wants to bring it up, now is the time
[10:52] <shadeslayer> else, it's going to be systemd 
[10:53] <tester56> hi, does anyone know the upstream location of "kde-gtk-config" package?
[10:53] <shadeslayer> see the package description
[10:53] <Riddell> https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/base/kde-gtk-config
[10:54] <shadeslayer> https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/base/kde-gtk-config
[10:54] <shadeslayer> heh
[10:54] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I presume we can live with systemd since gnome uses it and ubuntu/unity adapts what they have, but it would scare me
[10:55] <shadeslayer> Riddell: As far as I can see systemd is going to be a second class citizen on Ubuntu
[10:55] <Riddell> is that a good way to think of it?  isn't it more that they nick bits and reimplement bits as needed?
[10:56] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: yo, ping me when you want me to set up the account
[10:56] <shadeslayer> sounds about right
[10:56] <Quintasan> It's not even a second class citizen/
[10:56] <shadeslayer> so, not even second class citizen
[10:56] <Quintasan> systemd package in Ubuntu is so crippled it's not systemd
[10:56] <shadeslayer> I believe frankenstien is the word for it ;)
[10:56] <Quintasan> Namely - it doesn't even have the systemd binary
[10:57] <shadeslayer> I am quite lost as to what we're going to do for PW2 btw
[10:59] <tester56> Riddell, shadesplayer thx, stupid question, but where can i report bugs?
[11:03] <Riddell> tester56: bugs.kde.org
[11:03] <tester56> btw: where is the kubuntu artwork launchpad page? I would have a suggestion for the default air plasma theme: when logging out there is a moon shown, which makes no sense to me, the kubuntu logo would make more sense. I have patched that on my install
[11:04] <Riddell> tester56: we don't generally change upstream artwork
[11:04] <Riddell> tester56: that image used to be a konqi the dragon but I was overruled back in the day in favour of the moon
[11:05] <tester56> you do change stuff, for example you change the kde-logo in kickoff to a kubuntu one
[11:06] <Quintasan> Uh I don't think we do that tester56
[11:06] <tester56> (KDEDESKTOP -> Kubuntu) 
[11:06] <Quintasan> Ah
[11:06] <Quintasan> I'm using the classic menu
[11:08] <tester56> okay if you say you wont change that, it's okay ... was just a suggestion ... but it would only be an effort of 1 minute
[11:08] <Riddell> kubotu: newpackage kte-collaborative 0.2
[11:08] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1246673
[11:08] <Riddell> tester56: upstream request that we change that
[11:09] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 1246433 for your SRU eyes
[11:10] <tester56> Riddell: I am afraid I don't know what you mean by that
[11:11] <Riddell> tester56: KDE devs request that we change the logo in the kickoff menu but would prefer us not to change artwork elsewhere, since we like the KDE artwork we don't feel there's any need to change it elsewhere
[11:11] <soee> good morning
[11:12] <tester56> Riddell, okay, thanks for pointing out
[11:20]  * Riddell posts to list suggesting not to do a mass merge
[11:20] <Riddell> I see https://merges.ubuntu.com/ isn't even updated anyway
[11:37] <debfx> MoM looks only at unstable, not experimental
[11:37] <Riddell> right but it's useful for all our non-KDE SC packages
[11:40] <debfx> what isn't up-to-date in MoM?
[11:41] <Riddell> aah, I clicked the wrong link
[11:42] <Riddell> I clicked the manual merges link
[11:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: cor neon5 has 3 PPAs?  how often does the kf5 one build?
[11:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell: daily
[11:58] <shadeslayer> well, whenever LP detects changes in bzr
[11:58] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what's the difference with kf5-daily?
[11:58] <shadeslayer> packages are copied from kf5 to kf5-daily whenever all packages build in kf5
[11:58] <Riddell> aah
[11:58] <shadeslayer> then someone smoke tests them and moves them to weekly
[11:58] <Riddell> aah
[11:59] <Riddell> clever
[11:59] <shadeslayer> quite
[11:59] <shadeslayer> you can even move them by adding PROMOTE to the PPA description
[11:59] <shadeslayer> automation ftw
[12:00] <Riddell> nifty
[12:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: read the descriptions :P
[12:07]  * shadeslayer rages against kuiserverjobtracker
[12:07] <shadeslayer> no apol as well
[12:14] <apachelogger> hiding?
[12:14] <shadeslayer> probably
[12:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw what does muon use for authorization?
[12:15] <shadeslayer> the password dialog that pops up and what not
[12:15] <shadeslayer> I think I screwed my system somehow because I can't run qapt-batch --update
[12:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: polkit
[12:16] <shadeslayer> hmm
[12:17] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion kdevelop 4.5.2
[12:17] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1246696
[12:19] <shadeslayer> hmmm
[12:19] <shadeslayer> utterly broken my system is]
[12:24] <apachelogger> that's news right there
[12:32]  * shadeslayer has to reinstall
[12:37] <shadeslayer> kubotu: newversion cmake
[12:37] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help newversion'
[12:38] <shadeslayer> kubotu: newversion cmake 2.8.12
[12:38] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1246701
[12:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^ could you do the needful? I have no upload rights for cmake
[12:38] <Riddell> shadeslayer: the needful?
[12:39] <shadeslayer> grab new cmake from https://launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/kf5 , check if everything is good, and upload to trusty?
[12:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: onto it
[12:40] <shadeslayer> thx :)
[13:23] <tester56> does anyone know a general solution for the following problem: If you have an application and you want to find out the location of an icon in the toolbar, how would you do that? 
[13:23] <tester56> (kde applications)
[13:24] <Riddell> tester56: i.e. you look at a GUI and go "that's a nice icon, I wonder what the file is that stores it"?
[13:24] <tester56> for example
[13:24] <Riddell> you'd need to look through the source to find the name of the icon
[13:25] <Riddell> then it might be a file local to the application or it might be from the oxygen-icon-theme
[13:25] <tester56> but the image has to exist somewhere in the file system
[13:25] <tester56> yeah but i don't know if the icon is part of oxygen or if it is an application specific one
[13:25] <Riddell> I guess you could also use strace and grep to see what icon files it opens
[13:25] <Riddell> although it might be cached
[13:26] <tester56> how do icon theme creators handle that situation?
[13:26] <tester56> afk -> lunch
[13:27] <Riddell> with difficulty
[13:27] <Riddell> there's a freedesktop icon theme spec which lists many icons you need
[13:27] <Riddell> but you also just need to see what's in oxygen-icons and copy them
[13:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: tester56 there's also kiconfinder
[13:46] <tester56> shadesplayer: and how does that work?
[13:48] <BluesKaj> tester56. kiconfinder nameofplasmoid
[13:48] <tester56> yeah, but that is not what i am looking for 
[13:49] <tester56> Riddell: how would the strace method work?
[13:50] <Riddell> strace konsole 2>&1  | grep usr/share/icon
[13:50] <Riddell> might do it, but they might also be cached
[13:52] <tester56> okay, lets do it with a simple example: kmenuedit: there is a new submenu icon ... let's find out the location of that icon
[13:53] <tester56> strace kmenuedit 2>&1  | grep usr/share/icon reveals nothing
[13:54] <Riddell> /usr/share/kde4/apps/kmenuedit/icons/hicolor/22x22/actions/menu_new.png ?
[13:54] <Riddell> kmenuedit is from kde-workspace (apt-cache showsrc kmenuedit)
[13:55] <Riddell> apt-get source kde-workspace  to get the code
[13:55] <Riddell> cd kde-workspace-4.11.1/kmenuedit
[13:55] <Riddell> grep "New Submenu" *
[13:55] <Riddell> ah it's in kmenuedit.cpp
[13:55] <Riddell> less kmenuedit.cpp
[13:56] <Riddell> I see "New Submenu" is a KAction which a couple lines above has     action->setIcon(KIcon("menu_new"));
[13:56] <Riddell> locate menu_new
[13:56] <Riddell> comes up with /usr/share/kde4/apps/kmenuedit/icons/hicolor/22x22/actions/menu_new.png
[13:56] <Riddell> voila :)
[13:57] <Riddell> which is local to kmenuedit and in the pixmaps directory as hi22-action-menu_new.png
[14:00] <tester56> Riddell: nice, thank you very much!
[14:00] <tester56> that should always work, given the source of the application
[14:01] <Riddell> yep
[14:04] <mikhas> Riddell, o/
[14:05] <mikhas> thanks for everything in E., I appreciate your help/introduction very much
[14:06] <Riddell> mikhas: hope you liked it, how did the innovation day go?
[14:06] <mikhas> lots of information to process
[14:06] <mikhas> they are very friendly towards people with no medical background, that was nice
[14:06] <Riddell> will you free the NHS?
[14:07] <mikhas> yes, of course. I got inspired by william wallace when I visited the monument in Stirling
[14:07] <mikhas> ;-)
[14:07] <Riddell> excellent :)
[14:07] <mikhas> there are some big players in the field who'd happily give the software away as long as they get to keep the data
[14:08] <Riddell> they sound evil
[14:08] <mikhas> so free software + free/private data is both needed
[14:08] <mikhas> actually they have cookies and dress nicely
[14:08] <Riddell> the worst sort
[14:08] <mikhas> if only someone from KDE would work on a private cloud thing or so
[14:08] <mikhas> ;-)
[14:09] <Riddell> someone who kolaborated on an own cloud maybe
[14:09] <mikhas> yeah, too bad we wouldn't know of anyone
[14:11] <mikhas> Riddell, do you feel motivated to remain involved there?
[14:15] <Riddell> mikhas: I'm not especially involved currently, I just helped kirstin her hack event
[14:15] <Riddell> but happy to help any way I can
[14:16] <mikhas> well, critical feedback or "insider" information about local organizations in that area, might be useful
[14:16] <mikhas> I currently look at bioquarter and don't know what to make from that
[14:17] <mikhas> sounds good in general but also very patent friendly
[14:18] <mikhas> (is commercialisation a real word even?)
[14:18] <tester56> Riddell: thank you very very much
[14:20] <Riddell> yes they'll be into commercialisation and monetisation with patents
[14:20] <Riddell> which may be fine, I don't know anything about the ethics of patents on biotechnology
[15:35] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[16:36] <Riddell> shadeslayer, apachelogger: could you copy cmake from kf5 to weekly and daily PPAs?
[16:36] <Riddell> (or add me to the team so I can do it)
[16:36] <ovidiu-florin> yofel valorie ScottK shadeslayer jussi could you please respond to my fund request as soon as possible so that (if approved) I can get the cheap price and not loose the reservation.
[16:37] <ovidiu-florin> it expires on 2013.11.01 1:00 PM UTC (tommorow)
[16:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: that's not how weekly and daily work
[16:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: I know, but it's how I work :)
[16:38] <apachelogger> why would you want to copy them?
[16:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: because I'm using weekyly and now I want to build git which needs the new cmake only in kf5
[16:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: so there's an incentive to make sure all framework branches build tomorrow :P
[16:48] <jussi> quick membership meeting for ovidiu-florin :P :P 
[17:14] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: question, what is your agenda for the munich meetup?
[17:16] <ovidiu-florin> I would like to fix some KDE Bugs, work on the Kubuntu Docummentation and (finally) meet some of you guys.
[17:16] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: ^
[17:16] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: If you could send a slightly detailed plan for the documentation to the mailing list, I'll vote
[17:17] <ovidiu-florin> we talked about it yesterday on the mumble
[17:17] <shadeslayer> ah I see, I thought ahoneybun wrote the plan
[17:17]  * shadeslayer looks
[17:17] <ovidiu-florin> I'll be translating some of the content we have on the romanian Kubuntu site and adding it to the official wiki
[17:17] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: ^
[17:18] <ovidiu-florin> mostly regarding the Installation of Kubuntu
[17:19] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: ahoneybun asked littlegirl to write a outline of the meeting
[17:19] <shadeslayer> I see
[17:24] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: should I still send that documentation plan to the mailing list?
[17:24] <shadeslayer> not the same document, just outline what you want to do at the sprint
[17:24] <shadeslayer> will help KC decide
[17:24] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[17:33] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: sent
[17:37] <rohan> could someone help with a network manager issue? I am unable to make and save changes to an 802.11 WPA2-enterprise wifi connection. 
[17:45] <apachelogger> support is in #kubuntu
[17:54] <rohan> i'm unable to add WPA2-TLS connections even on the livecd 
[17:54] <rohan> and with saucy-proposed upgrades 
[19:21] <Quintasan> ScottK: What do your SRU powers can tell about kdeconnect-kde?
[19:29] <Quintasan> nvm
[19:29] <Quintasan> bdmurray is looking at it since I messed up the Closes syntax
[20:48] <yossarianuk> hi - can someone confirm that this bug  -- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1242417 is now fixed?
[20:48] <yossarianuk> i.e - if install and enable updates during installation it will now boot UEFO ?
[20:48] <yossarianuk> *UEFI*
[21:01] <ScottK> For Kubuntu it should be fixed.  Not yet, AFAIK for Ubutu Studio.
[21:15] <genii-o-lantern> The topic got changed... does someone have the polo shirt link offhand?
[21:17] <ScottK> jussi: ^^^
[21:18] <jussi> genii should be still in the off topic topic
[21:19] <genii-o-lantern> Ah, OK
[21:19] <genii-o-lantern> Yes, it is :)
[21:20] <jussi> on mobile so copying and so on is hard
[21:35] <yossarianuk> hi - does anyone know how long it takes for the local mirrors to catch up with updates ?
[21:44] <genii-o-lantern> jussi: Done.
[23:10] <yofel> kubotu: topic restore
[23:10] <kubotu> yofel, you don't have 'topic' permissions here
[23:10] <yofel> apachelogger: ^