[03:11] <rohan> i am trying to add my work's WPA2-TLS connection to KDE network management applet, but somehow it's not working
[03:11] <rohan> the connection just doesn't show up
[03:11] <rohan> any clues?
[05:35] <fayaz> Can anyone point me to some good fonts for python programming on kate?
[07:55] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:56] <jack> hey lordievader
[07:56] <jack> still tired? i am...
[07:56] <lordievader> Hey jack, just woke up ;)
[07:57] <jack> similar here...had a coffee already though
[07:58] <lordievader> I'm having a tea.
[07:59] <jack> black tea? (the one with caffeine)
[08:00] <Mamarok> all tea has caffeine, green and white and oolong as well
[08:00] <lordievader> Green tea, actually. However this is more a topic for #kubuntu-offtopic.
[08:00] <jack> really? ok
[08:00] <Mamarok> true, my bad :(
[08:00] <lordievader> Mamarok: ?
[08:01]  * jack chuckles
[08:01] <Mamarok> lordievader: for answering an off-topic question
[08:02] <jack> Mamarok, you're female and love amarok - correct?
[08:02] <jack> (testing my nick-decryption skills)
[08:02] <Mamarok> jack: how is my gender relevant?
[08:03] <jack> well, guys rarely are mothers
[08:03] <Mamarok> jack: you were pointed to -offtopic already, weren't you?
[08:04] <lordievader> jack: /join #kubuntu-offtopic
[08:04]  * jack chuckles again
[08:04] <jack> okay :P
[08:38] <InforBoy25> wow, this chatroom is 98% dicks
[08:47] <eagles0513875> hey all :) anyone noticing an issue with kmix that it requires one to open the entire mixer to be able to adjust the sound settings?
[08:51] <ikonia> eagles0513875: that used to be a problem in early (very early) kde 4 days
[08:53] <eagles0513875> ikonia: im experiencing that now
[08:54] <eagles0513875> a regression must have been introduced somewhere. is there something in particular i need to install to get debug symbold for kmix
[08:54] <ikonia> why are you looking at debug symbols ?
[08:55] <eagles0513875> maybe if i run it through command line with debug symbols installed ill be able to determine why its not working as it should be
[08:55] <ikonia> are you serious ?
[08:55] <eagles0513875> yes
[08:56] <ikonia> I give in with you,
[08:56] <eagles0513875> how am i supposed to go about determining what the issue is
[08:56] <ikonia> well, normal practice would be to log a bug
[08:56] <ikonia> try to reprroduce it
[08:56] <ikonia> see if it's something specific to your setup or a generic bug
[08:57] <eagles0513875> ok.
[08:57] <ikonia> I don't understand why you try to rush into "technical" solutions you don't understand
[08:57] <ikonia> rather than just working through the basics that may actually add value to people trying to fix it
[08:58] <eagles0513875> i thought it was best practice to try and gather as much information as possible before filing a bug
[08:59] <ikonia> eagles0513875: yes, but information you understand
[08:59] <ikonia> not just random cust and pastes
[08:59] <ikonia> cut
[08:59] <Mamarok> and maybe, just maybe check if you have an actual profile set for Pulseaudio in systemsettings -> Multimedia -> Audio and video settings -> Hardware tab
[08:59] <Mamarok> because in 13.10 there is currently a PA bug cuasing that
[09:00] <ikonia> it's always rush into the high tech solution to look cool rather than actually try to fix the problem or work it through
[09:00] <Mamarok> also starting the question with specifying the version would also be a very good idea
[09:02] <eagles0513875> turns out tweaking the settings a bit in multimedia solved the problem :) thanks Mamarok
[09:02] <Mamarok> eagles0513875: that would have beent eh first thing to do
[09:02] <Mamarok> been the*
[09:02] <ikonia> eagles0513875: do you mean you did exactly what Mamarok said to do or something different
[09:02] <eagles0513875> exactly what she said.
[09:03] <ikonia> right - so you did "what Mamarok said to do" not "tweaking the settings"
[09:03] <eagles0513875> what i mean by tweaking i meant changed some settings and tested them with the included speaker testing stuff
[09:03] <ikonia> eagles0513875: no - you did "what Mamarok said to do"
[09:04] <ikonia> you have to make it sound like you are "hacking through a problem" rather than "I did what you suggest Mamarok it worked"
[09:04] <eagles0513875> ok
[09:04] <ikonia> so it's clear that Mamarok's advice is the solution, rather than some black art tweaks you made
[09:05] <ikonia> which you didn't make - you just did what Mamarok said
[09:26] <yossarianuk> ok found an odd bug - not sure if its here to report or evolution...
[09:26] <yossarianuk> the bug is using evolution in Kubuntu 13.10
[09:27] <yossarianuk> If you select the oxygen-gtk theme for gtk3 then start evolution you cannot use the mousewheel in a new message
[09:27] <yossarianuk> (if i change the theme from oxygen-gtk its fine...)
[09:28] <Mamarok> yossarianuk: looks like a bug, this was reported with other gtk apps
[09:29] <yossarianuk> i,e a kubuntu bug ?
[09:29] <Mamarok> in Launchpad, yes
[09:29] <Mamarok> but more likely a problem with the theme
[09:30] <yossarianuk> yes
[09:30] <yossarianuk> tried 3 others and they are fine
[09:30] <yossarianuk> but they all do not look as good as oxygen-gtk...
[09:30] <Mamarok> hm, I don't use many gtk apps, only evolution, but my theme is just plain oxygen
[09:31] <Mamarok> so I have never seen the bug
[09:34] <Shiva_> I have fresh installed kubuntu 13.10 couple of days back...but what I found is extend right feature of screen mangaement system doesnt work after some time say after few reboots, I did install whole thing again still it happens the same..can any one suggest how to overcome that ?
[09:35] <Mamarok> I fear I don't understand, what do you mean by "extend right feature"?
[09:37] <Shiva_> Mamarok, I meant I am use two screen and screen extend feature of display settings dont work after few reeboots from fresh install
[09:37] <Shiva_> *I use
[09:38] <Mamarok> well, I still don't understand what you mean by "extend right", I use two monitors as well and don't see any such feature or options
[09:39] <Mamarok> are you talking about an addition al application?
[09:41] <Shiva_> Mamarok,sorry for not being clear,I simply meant I am unable to use screens separately for different tasks simultaneously, No I am not using any additional applications
[09:41] <Mamarok> Shiva_: might be useful to tell what graphic card you have, and what driver, I think tis can vary from card to card
[09:42] <Mamarok> I have an Intel graphic card here and have never had any problems
[09:43] <Shiva_> mine is  ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD 5650 Graphics
[09:44] <Shiva_> I tried activating additional driver from muon , but still that didnt helped
[09:45] <Mamarok> I try to find where in the configuration files this is defined
[09:46] <Shiva_> The thing is everything works fine up to some reboots from fresh install, but after that it dont work
[09:47] <Mamarok>  sounds like something is overriding a setting, but let me find that configuration file first
[09:47] <Shiva_> sure
[09:55] <Mamarok> Shiva_: hm, seems to be related to krandr, check if you have such a file in $HOME/.kde/share/config/ and pastebin its content somewhere and give the link
[09:56] <Mamarok> I guess it is actually krandrrc, with double r
[09:57] <Shiva_> Mamarok, Sorry I dont have that machine with me right now, am on different pc, I ll get back to you or this group ASAP
[09:57] <Mamarok> Shiva_: and you said it was a fresh installation, not an upgrade?
[09:58] <Shiva_> yeah,Its fresh installation
[09:58] <Mamarok> because now KDE 4.11 uses KScreen, not krandr anymore, so if you have such a file you should probably erase it
[10:00] <Shiva_> okay ,  I ll note it down and try out and get  back to you with results, thanks for the support :)
[10:08] <Mamarok> just ping me
[10:13] <Mamarok> Shiva_: ditch what I said about krandrrc, keep that file and just pastebin the content, must be something like 3 lines or so
[10:16] <Mamarok> and if you use the fglrx driver of your card, it has its own settings
[10:18] <Shiva_> I ll ping  you back as soon as I get to my kde machine
[10:19] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:24] <BluesKaj> lordievader. an upstart script or...?
[10:37] <BluesKaj> lordievader., any error output if you try to monitor output in the terminal?
[10:45] <lordievader> BluesKaj: It's a solved problem.
[10:46] <BluesKaj> lordievader. ok \
[10:59] <mausschubser> skreech_: hi, do you remeber me?
[10:59] <BluesKaj> nope
[11:00] <BluesKaj> :)
[11:01] <mausschubser> BluesKaj: want to help?
[11:01] <BluesKaj> what's your issue mausschubser
[11:02] <mausschubser> I cannot write on my external HDD
[11:02] <mausschubser> as fas as we found out I don't have to rights to do this, only root has them
[11:02] <mausschubser> far
[11:02] <BluesKaj> ext or ntfs ?
[11:02] <mausschubser> ext
[11:02] <mausschubser> 4
[11:04] <BluesKaj> shows in dolphin places ?
[11:04] <mausschubser> the hdd?
[11:04] <mausschubser> or the error message?
[11:06] <BluesKaj> the drive
[11:06] <BluesKaj> mausschubser.^
[11:08] <mausschubser> BluesKaj:  yes, it does show
[11:11] <excognac2> ikonia: i'm on the new machine, 13.10 kubuntu installed. there is no xorg.conf in /etc/X11
[11:11] <excognac2> ikonia: shall i create it?
[11:12] <BluesKaj> ok choose it or highlight it in dolphin , mausschubser , then, file/properties/permissions tab , what's the user and group ?
[11:13] <excognac2> anybody: is that normal i don't have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[11:15] <BluesKaj> excognac2. yes
[11:15] <BluesKaj> !xorg
[11:15] <excognac2> BluesKaj: if i stop kdm, i have to go tex mode right? (I just wanna create it to paste for somone helping me)
[11:18] <mausschubser> BluesKaj: root
[11:18] <BluesKaj> whynot highlight and copy the output in the cli , excognac2
[11:19] <BluesKaj> mausschubser. and is the user listed as you?
[11:20] <excognac2> BluesKaj: what is cli? mono-runtime?
[11:20] <mausschubser> command line interface
[11:21] <mausschubser> right?
[11:21] <mausschubser> BluesKaj: no, I am Mausschubser, but it only says root
[11:22] <BluesKaj> mausschubser. try mounbting the dsrive in system settings > removable devices
[11:22] <BluesKaj> err mounting
[11:22] <excognac2> cyaz lata
[11:23] <BluesKaj> mausschubser. is yout username listed beside "User" ?
[11:27] <mausschubser> BluesKaj:  I can mount it and have read access, no, it's not
[11:43] <excognac> does 13.10 use kdm or lightdm?
[11:43] <excognac> by default
[11:44] <tsimpson> excognac: lightdm
[11:44] <BluesKaj> lightdm
[11:45] <monkeyjuice> excognac:  is on #ubuntu also
[11:46] <monkeyjuice> hey BluesKaj ;)
[11:48] <BluesKaj> hi monkeyjuice :)
[11:49] <AceKing> I am having a sound problem in Chromium. I did a clean install of 13.10 64 bit the other day. If I go onto youtube, I don't get any sound. However, if I use Firefox, the sound works perfectly. Any ideas what could be wrong?
[11:49] <BluesKaj> mausschubser. lost my connection for a bit
[11:52] <Mamarok> AceKing: please check the sound profile in Systemsettings -> Multimedia -> Audio and Video Settings -> Audio Hardware Setup, there currently is a bug with Pulseaudio not setting a default profile on startup
[11:53] <AceKing> Mamarok: ok, I will check that. Thank you!
[11:53] <Mamarok> yaw :)
[11:56] <alvin> Any new twitter clients for KDE?
[11:58] <tsimpson> alvin: choqok
[11:58] <BluesKaj> alvin. what's wrong with a plain browser for twitter access?
[11:58] <alvin> tsimpson: No, Choqok does not support Twitter. It used to, but it hasn't been working for over a year.
[11:58] <tsimpson> I just went off the description
[11:58] <alvin> BluesKaj: lots. Actually Choqok was very good.
[11:59] <tsimpson> you could maybe try hotot-qt
[11:59] <Mamarok> there is a fix in the work for Choqok
[11:59] <alvin> Glad to hear that. About time too.
[12:00] <alvin> Well, I should have said Twitter stopped supporting Choqok of course.
[12:00] <BluesKaj> ok alvin , I'll take your worf for it :)
[12:00] <BluesKaj> word
[12:01] <alvin> I'm not a browser guy. That's like using webmail instead of decent software.
[12:02] <BluesKaj> well if twiiteris important then i suppose a dedicated client would be best
[12:02] <alvin> Not that important, but a client can do faster searches for example. Also, the layout is nicer.
[12:03] <alvin> and you don't have to open a browser. It runs in the background and notifies you
[12:03] <BluesKaj> never searched, so I don't know , might have used it 3 times in my life
[12:06] <BluesKaj> guess I'm a twitter luddite
[12:06] <alvin> You're not missing that much
[12:07]  * BluesKaj nods
[12:07] <alvin> but I do use it from time to time. If lots of my customers start calling that there are problems with their internet, you can find information faster on Twitter than from some helpdesks ;-)
[12:08] <BluesKaj> then it's a necessary tool for your work , that's something different
[12:08] <mausschubser> BluesKaj:  no problem, I think I have a solution
[12:09] <BluesKaj> mausschubser. ok , what is it?
[12:09] <mausschubser> starting dolphin with su rights
[12:10] <mausschubser> and then I added myself to "media" for rwx
[12:10] <mausschubser> rights
[12:12] <BluesKaj> well you could do blkid and take the string and modify it a bit in pastebin to fit the syntax. mausschubser , but running as root isn't advisable
[12:13] <BluesKaj> pastebin = brain fart , i mean fstab
[12:14] <mausschubser> lol
[12:16] <mausschubser> BluesKaj: don't worry, Iḿ only doing it for a backup
[12:16] <mausschubser> but you're right
[12:17] <BluesKaj> mausschubser. if your not in wan , but a home pc then i suppose iy'd not too dangerous
[12:17] <BluesKaj> it's
[12:49] <mausschubser> BluesKaj: thanks, problem is fixed
[12:52] <yossarianuk> For the non working mouse wheel issue in certain gtk3 apps when using oxygen-gtk3 theme I have made a bug report
[12:53] <yossarianuk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/oxygen-gtk3/+bug/1246676
[12:53] <yossarianuk> which it turns out is a dupe of
[12:53] <yossarianuk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/oxygen-gtk3/+bug/1244941
[12:56] <alvin> Interesting new features in Telepathy: http://www.sharpley.org.uk/blog/ktp-0-7
[13:05] <BluesKaj> mausschubser. good
[14:26]  * SonikkuAmerica is thinking about pursuing an AAS in Info Science after he gets done with his BRE
[14:26] <SonikkuAmerica> ... Wrong channel
[15:35] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[16:22] <wxl> um, is there some sort of situation which would lead to plasma freaking out, running xkill (skull and crossbones mouse cursor) and blacking out the screen?
[16:24] <wxl> i guess the user might have have spazzed out, accidentially hit ctrl-alt-esc and then clicked on the desktop
[16:50] <genii> wxl: That would probably be my best guess, they hit the key combo somehow and then kept trying to click on stuff
[17:36] <rohan> could someone help with a network manager issue? I am unable to make and save changes to an 802.11 WPA2-enterprise wifi connection.
[17:45] <rohan> apachelogger: could you help me here, then? :) ^
[17:54] <rohan> i'm unable to add WPA2-TLS connections even on the livecd
[18:05] <ovidiu-florin> rohan: what kubuntu version?
[18:05] <rohan> ovidiu-florin: 13.10
[18:08] <Shiva> Mamarok: ping
[18:14] <ovidiu-florin> rohan: how are you adding that connection, describe step by step, please
[18:14] <ovidiu-florin> ?
[18:15] <rohan> ovidiu-florin: i tried both clicking on the connection from gui and adding it manually using edit connections dialogue
[18:16] <ovidiu-florin> and what happens?
[18:17] <rohan> it just doesn't add
[18:17] <rohan> i added all the parameters, the certificate, key, password, etc. and on clicking ok, the connection doesn't appear
[18:25] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[19:10] <MangaKaDenza> say
[19:10] <MangaKaDenza> how do I force any given command?
[19:10] <MangaKaDenza> I don't mean use with root privs
[19:11] <MangaKaDenza> I mean "disregard all errors/warnings and hope for the best that my laptop doesn't blow up"
[19:12] <lordievader> MangaKaDenza: Depends on the application.
[19:12] <MangaKaDenza> :<
[19:12] <MangaKaDenza> but... is there like sudo force somecommand/programthing
[19:13] <lordievader> MangaKaDenza: Nope, that is usually some switch in the application  itself.
[19:13] <MangaKaDenza> :<
[19:13] <lordievader> What are you trying to do?
[19:14] <MangaKaDenza> lordievader, apt-get install something that keeps returning broken dependancies no matter what I does
[19:15] <littlegirl> MangaKaDenza: That's a good way to "blow up" the laptop. (:
[19:15] <MangaKaDenza> :<
[19:15]  * littlegirl comforts MangaKaDenza
[19:15] <littlegirl> MangaKaDenza: Can you satisfy the dependencies?
[19:17] <lordievader> MangaKaDenza: Ah, that is (usually) curable. Could you paste the entire output?
[19:17] <lordievader> !paste | MangaKaDenza
[19:18] <MangaKaDenza> actually nvm
[19:18] <MangaKaDenza> I j...
[19:18] <MangaKaDenza> wat
[19:18] <MangaKaDenza> I just fixed it
[19:18] <MangaKaDenza> but different question...
[19:18] <MangaKaDenza> How do I run every program as root without having to do sudo something or kdesudo or gksudo
[19:19] <Dudalus_> weeahh..my windows just died :D
[19:19] <MangaKaDenza> :<
[19:19] <lordievader> MangaKaDenza: sudo -i
[19:20] <lordievader> MangaKaDenza: That will get you are root shell.
[19:20] <MangaKaDenza> wait... is that different than sudo su
[19:20] <Dudalus_> MangaKaDenza: no important data..just the last windows installation (NOW is the moment to trash windows hehe)
[19:20] <littlegirl> MangaKaDenza: Please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo and see the warning on deciding to do something like that.
[19:21] <MangaKaDenza> one more question
[19:21] <MangaKaDenza> is it possible...
[19:21] <lordievader> MangaKaDenza: sudo su works aswell.
[19:21] <MangaKaDenza> to copy dkpg a few times, and then make a apt-get variant that uses those?
[19:22] <MangaKaDenza> so I can do multiple installs/upgrades/etc at once?
[19:22] <lordievader> MangaKaDenza: I'm sorry I don't understand.
[19:22] <MangaKaDenza> for example
[19:22] <MangaKaDenza> when I run apt-get install somepackage in one terminal
[19:22] <MangaKaDenza> I cant install something else in parralel
[19:23] <littlegirl> MangaKaDenza: I wrote a page on how to do that, but I'm not sure if I'm allowed to put the link in this channel, so I'll whisper it at you.
[19:23] <MangaKaDenza> as dpkg is locked
[19:24] <littlegirl> Oh, I'm not sure if my page will handle that. You might want to use multiple TTY sessions to accomplish that. I have a page on that as well, but once again am not sure if I'd be allowed to paste that in here.
[19:25] <itaylor57> it locks it for a reason so you won't bork you system
[19:25] <MangaKaDenza> and yet another question
[19:26] <MangaKaDenza> how do I check my java version
[19:26] <MangaKaDenza> and java sdk
[19:26] <itaylor57> java -version
[19:26] <itaylor57> from konsole
[19:26] <rohan> ovidiu-florin: any hints?
[19:26] <rohan> ovidiu-florin: would any logs help?
[19:27] <MangaKaDenza> OpenJDK
[19:27] <ovidiu-florin> rohan: can you connect to the network?
[19:27] <MangaKaDenza> how do I install Oracle's java stuff
[19:27] <itaylor57> there is a ppa
[19:27] <rohan> ovidiu-florin: no, becase i can't save the settings
[19:27] <itaylor57> i have java version "1.7.0_45"
[19:27] <genii-o-lantern> The webupd8 ppa
[19:27] <itaylor57> yep
[19:27] <ovidiu-florin> rohan: do you get an error?
[19:27] <rohan> ovidiu-florin: i can't even connect to insecure guest wifi we have a twork
[19:27] <itaylor57> that is the one
[19:27] <rohan> ovidiu-florin: no errors: it just fails to add/save the network
[19:28] <MangaKaDenza> webupd?
[19:28] <MangaKaDenza> whats the url for it
[19:28] <rohan> ovidiu-florin: i even enabled saucy-proposed to get the new nm-client packages and such
[19:28] <itaylor57> MangaKaDenza: http://www.webupd8.org/2012/01/install-oracle-java-jdk-7-in-ubuntu-via.html
[19:29] <ovidiu-florin> some logs would help, but I wouldn't know where to find them
[19:29] <genii-o-lantern> MangaKaDenza: As usual I'm going to flash the "USE AT OWN RISK" sign blinking in large red neon letters at you.
[19:29] <rohan> ovidiu-florin: yes, if you can tell me what to provide, i would happily do so
[19:30] <rohan> ovidiu-florin: ok, correction: i can connect to insecure wifi, it just works. but i still ca'nt connect to WPA2-TLS
[19:31] <MangaKaDenza> also with my flood of questions
[19:31] <MangaKaDenza> how do I install all reccomended/suggested packages with the package I'm installing in konsole
[19:32] <Quintasan> MangaKaDenza: apt-get install with pull recommends by default
[19:32] <Quintasan> will pull*
[19:32] <MangaKaDenza> pull ?
[19:32] <MangaKaDenza> ah
[19:33] <rohan> ovidiu-florin: in general my net has been terribly slow and riddled with issues
[19:33] <Quintasan> MangaKaDenza: Recommends and Suggests are two different things :)
[19:33] <MangaKaDenza> suggests then
[19:35] <Quintasan> MangaKaDenza: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dreq.en.html#idp771504
[19:35] <Quintasan> MangaKaDenza: Using apt-get will install recommends as well
[19:36] <Quintasan> If you want to install suggest as well then use apt-get install --install-suggests
[21:22] <wolfgang_> hi
[21:35] <yossarianuk> hi - does anyone know how long it takes for the local mirrors to catch up with updates ?
[21:38] <tsimpson> depends on the mirror, but for the main mirrors they should update 4 times a day (every 6 hours) at the least
[21:39] <tsimpson> most should be more frequent
[21:40] <yossarianuk> ok thank you
[21:45] <yossarianuk> anyway of finding out the status of a specific  mirror (UK)?
[21:48] <keithzg> Arghh, this doesn't make any sense. Tried adding a bridge to a co-workers desktop; didn't really work, so we removed it. But now networking is entirely broken for him, even though no visible remnants of the bridge setup remain.
[21:50] <keithzg> We even tried entirely removing NetworkManager and just adding auto eth0, iface eth0 inet dhcp to /etc/network/interfaces . . . it comes up but nope. No IP.
[21:50] <keithzg> I'm completely baffled, arghh.
[21:54] <keithzg> I'm not even seeing eth0 in /dev now...
[21:54] <keithzg> although I don't see it in mine either, so I guess that's changed?
[21:55] <yossarianuk> try sudo ifconfig -a
[21:56] <keithzg> youssarianuk: all that does is rub my face in the fact that eth0 is there and not getting an address ;)
[21:56] <genii-o-lantern> keithzg: try sudo dhclient -r eth0 && sudo dhclient eth0
[21:57] <genii-o-lantern> keithzg: In ifconfig, does it show any traffic in the RX packets and TX packets lines?
[22:00] <keithzg> genii-o-lantern: Sadly, although dhclient is quite happy to release, it just hangs there forever on 'sudo dhclient eth0'. And yeah, there's traffic on RX and TX (way more on recieve than transmit, although I guess that's not too surprising).
[22:01] <genii-o-lantern> keithzg: What is other end of the network cable plugged into?
[22:03] <keithzg> genii-o-lantern: a gigabit switch; eventually it's all run by an old router computer, which runs DHCP. Again, this was all working just fine before we tried setting up a network bridge . . . sigh.
[22:04]  * keithzg is baffled at how he managed to muck this up so mysteriously
[22:04] <genii-o-lantern> keithzg: Do you have a link to the instructions you used when trying to make the network bridge? Perhaps it has something enlightening.
[22:05] <keithzg> genii-o-lantern: Well, it was two-part. First we tried to do it through the plasma NM widget, which didn't really work.
[22:07] <keithzg> Then we tried to do it the way I had previously set up on my former desktop (which the SSD died on so I'm not using it at the moment, though). That starts out basically like https://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections#Setting_up_your_Bridge
[22:08] <keithzg> So basically all I did was install bridge-utils, try to add a bridge; didn't work (well, I mean, the bridge was added but didn't seem to be functional). That was with brctl. Tried then with /etc/network/interfaces. That also didn't work.
[22:10] <keithzg> So reverted /etc/network/interfaces to the default three-line (comment heading, auto lo, and defining lo as loopback). Now we had no network connection, no IP.  So we uninstalled NetworkManager and added the two lines for eth0, assumming that hey, how could THAT not work?
[22:11] <genii-o-lantern> keithzg: In /etc/default/bridge-utils ...is it disabled?
[22:13] <keithzg> genii-o-lantern: No, although the only line in there is "BRIDGE_HOTPLUG=Yes". I should probably just uninstall bridge-utils though, eh?
[22:13] <keithzg> (to clarify, there are two other lines, but they're just comments)
[22:14] <genii-o-lantern> keithzg: I think probably to purge it, yes
[22:17] <genii-o-lantern> keithzg: After purge of bridge-utils, I would do: sudo service networking restart     ... then see if you can release/renew the IP on eth0 again
[22:20] <keithzg> genii-o-lantern: Purged with "apt-get purge bridge-utils" (was that always a thing? I swear I remember having to use aptitude to purge packages back in the day...) but upon restarting the networking service, I get "networking stop/waiting"...and it hangs for a while...in fact it is still hanging.
[22:21] <genii-o-lantern> keithzg: Thats fine, should eventually time out. Probably dhcp issues again
[22:22] <keithzg> genii-o-lantern: But why the dhcp issues? What's now broken with that on this Kubuntu install that wasn't broken a few hours ago?
[22:22] <keithzg> That's kindof the crux of the issue...
[22:23] <genii-o-lantern> keithzg: Yes, it's very odd. I'm beginning to suspect some oher thing as the problem... like, maybe we are doing all these operations to eth0 but eth1 is actually the one plugged into the right place, etc
[22:24] <genii-o-lantern> keithzg: When you were trying to use it as a bridge, did you add/remove/shuffle adapters around?
[22:25] <keithzg> genii-o-lantern: Not really, no, other than adding the bridge adapters. The adapter that was in use was at the time called eth0.
[22:27] <keithzg> genii-o-lantern: I did notice while rebooting while debugging that startpar-bridge was trying to turn on repeatedly during the time it was waiting for a network connection, if that means anything.
[22:28] <genii-o-lantern> keithzg: Just for my peace of mind... please do: sudo rm /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules  && sudo touch /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules   ( this will clear out the list of what hardware  is associated to what designation)
[22:29] <keithzg> Done.
[22:30] <genii-o-lantern> keithzg: I think probably a reboot is in order now, i will be here when you return. This is to make sure the eth0 gets correct designation, and that no cached stuff related to the bridging is interfering
[22:32] <keithzg> It's still hanging at "waiting for network configuration..."
[22:35] <genii-o-lantern> keithzg: Yeah, so for now do ctrl-c to stop it
[22:35] <keithzg> Oh, it's done *now*, I let it run the 60 seconds, heh.
[22:38] <genii-o-lantern> keithzg: This makes me think it's some deeper issue, as before. Is it possible to do a pastebin of exactly what's in the /etc/network/interfaces file? Maybe copy it to a usb stick onto the machine you're using now, etc
[22:41] <keithzg> genii-o-lantern: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6338205/
[22:41] <genii-o-lantern> Reading
[22:42] <keithzg> (and there's nothing in interfaces.d, for the record)
[22:42] <genii-o-lantern> Hm, it all looks good there.
[22:43] <genii-o-lantern> Thought maybe some syntax problem or lines out of order but nope.
[22:44] <genii-o-lantern> keithzg: When you do: sudo ifconfig -a    ...do you see other adapters not listed in the interfaces file?
[22:46] <keithzg> genii-o-lantern: only the silly avahi one that shows up if dhcp fails.
[22:46] <genii-o-lantern> OK
[22:47] <keithzg> genii-o-lantern: Okay, I just decided to give up and do what I should've done long ago: define a damned static IP :P
[22:47] <genii-o-lantern> keithzg: This was my next suggestion. And then to see if you can ping the dhcp server
[22:48] <genii-o-lantern> (router/modem/whatever )
[22:48] <keithzg> genii-o-lantern: oh, yeah, it works abso-${expletive}-lutely fine now
[22:49] <keithzg> The dhcp server is a PC running as a router. And it's running Trustix.
[22:49] <keithzg> I am eagerly awaiting the day it dies and I can replace it with something from living memory :P
[22:49] <genii-o-lantern> keithzg: Makes me think the dhcp server doesn't want to hand out an IP to it now
[22:50] <keithzg> genii-o-lantern: Yeah, I was thinking that too. But hell if I'm going to dig around in the hilariously user-hostile realm that it lives in, I'm just going to call it a day for now, go off to the bar to meet up with friends, and tomorrow I'll just add the PC's hostname to the static IP config :)
[22:51] <keithzg> genii-o-lantern: thank you VERY much for your help, take care!
[22:51] <genii-o-lantern> keithzg: There was some mention of that in the debian article you linked to earlier..eg: "Note: If, after trying to use the bridge interface, you find your network link becomes dead and refuses to work again, it might be that the router/switch upstream is blocking "unauthorized switches" in the network (for example, by detecting BPDU packets). "
[22:51] <genii-o-lantern> keithzg: Have a good night. Glad to help.
[22:52] <keithzg> <genii-o-lantern: Ooh, good catch. But yeah, I'm out, later!
[22:52]  * keithzg runs off for some much needed refreshment