[01:27] <sr20dett> Hello I was going through the tutorial for the currency converter, when I insert the code and run it...it says this          unity::action::ActionManager::ActionManager(QObject*): 	Could not determine application identifier. HUD will not work properly. 	Provide your application identifier in $APP_ID environment variable.
[01:27] <blaroche> sr20dett: for the most part you can ignore that.  does the app run?
[01:28] <sr20dett> im running on the computer itself not a phone
[01:28] <sr20dett> no it does not run
[01:29] <blaroche> that likely isn't the reason its not running, it just means the app doesn't have HUD integration.  i've been meaning to look more into that myself, but haven't yet
[01:29] <sr20dett> I get a window that opens when I hit run but its like a transparent box.....or just empty box
[01:29] <blaroche> so, are there other messages or clues to the problem?
[01:30] <blaroche> sec, letme go look at the tutorial
[01:31] <sr20dett> thank you
[01:32] <blaroche> as i look... sounds like a qml syntax error, any other messages?
[01:33] <blaroche> can you put your qml in http://paste.ubuntu.com/ ?
[01:34] <sr20dett> Starting /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/bin/qmlscene -I /home/kurt/Buntu-SDK/Currency -I /usr/bin -I /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml /home/kurt/Buntu-SDK/Currency/Currency.qml unity::action::ActionManager::ActionManager(QObject*): 	Could not determine application identifier. HUD will not work properly. 	Provide your application identifier in $APP_ID environment variable. /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/bin/qmlscene exited 
[01:34] <sr20dett> ya I can do that
[01:34] <sr20dett> Do you need it in a certin format
[01:36] <sr20dett> ummm I copied and pasted it from http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/qml/tutorial/
[01:37] <blaroche> lets try a known good example, and you do bzr branch lp:ubuntu-sdk-tutorials and run the getting-started/CurrencyConverter from that?
[01:39] <sr20dett> where do I do that?
[01:39] <sr20dett> is it on the dev site?
[01:39] <blaroche> sudo apt-get install bzr
[01:39] <blaroche> bzr branch lp:ubuntu-sdk-tutorials  -- will download the tutorial code repo to current directory
[01:39] <sr20dett> gottcha lol
[01:40] <sr20dett> i have not heard of it
[01:40] <blaroche> no worries
[01:40] <sr20dett> its already at it's newest version......hmmm
[01:40] <blaroche> likely installed with sdk
[01:41] <sr20dett> im on ubuntu 13.10
[01:41] <sr20dett> i have a nexus 7 2012 and 2013
[01:41] <sr20dett> the 12 has touch already the 2013 has multirom
[01:41] <blaroche> open getting-started/CurrentyConverter/CurrentlyConverter.qmlproject in Qt Creator
[01:42] <blaroche> run it.  hopefully it runs
[01:44] <sr20dett> in open project?
[01:44] <blaroche> yea, file->open file or project
[01:45] <sr20dett> i dont see it, I changed my default directory would that matter
[01:46] <blaroche> did bzr branch lp:ubuntu-sdk-tutorials grab the sources?
[01:47] <sr20dett> no i just checked the version sorry again doing it now
[01:51]  * blaroche steps out for a few...
[01:57] <sr20dett> blaroche!!!!!
[01:57] <sr20dett> It worked thank you!
[02:02] <sr20dett> i feel dumb now haha
[02:02] <blaroche> great :)  no worries
[02:03] <blaroche> so i'd just compare what works with what doesn't and hunt the problem ;)
[02:04] <sr20dett> no man.......you dont know haha
[02:04] <sr20dett> I didnt finish the code
[02:04] <sr20dett> looking at it makes alot sense now
[02:05] <blaroche> i made much the same mistakes at first..
[02:06] <sr20dett> that same error came up so you were right for it not meaning much
[02:07] <blaroche> yea HUD support...  not needed but prolly good to do.  i don't know much about it myself yet
[02:08] <sr20dett> ive taken some classes beginner C/C++ and a visual basic class....some web stuff as well, I use only linux but most classes I find are for windows of course.
[02:08] <blaroche> a battle for another day
[02:08] <blaroche> Qt has a lot of good general tutorials
[02:08] <sr20dett> really need something to focuse on enough to finish
[02:08] <blaroche> http://qt-project.org/
[02:09] <sr20dett> Ya I see nokia started it and A few companies have been useing it
[02:09] <sarnold> blaroche: hopefully useful to you: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Specifications/ApplicationConfinement#Launching_applications
[02:09] <sr20dett> is it easy to use qt stuff from other platforms and make it run on ubuntu touch?
[02:09] <sr20dett> everything else youve done has been
[02:09] <blaroche> sarnold: bookmarked!
[02:09] <blaroche> thank you
[02:11] <blaroche> Qt is cross platform fantastic
[02:12] <blaroche> qml api's may differ a bit, but most other stuff ports well
[02:16] <sr20dett> I think that link is a little bit above my head.....not thinking about security just yet haha bookmarked it for safe keeping
[03:08] <sr20dett> blaroche: does it matter that the app plays great and looks great but the design tab looks pretty bad
[03:13] <blaroche> generally no.  the design usaually is dependent on many variable that may or may not be set
[03:14] <blaroche> i actually don't use it often.  so i may not be the best judge of it
[04:35] <sr20dett> when running an application on the phone under the ubuntu sdk does the app have to be saved into the phone?
[04:35] <sr20dett> [00:31:34] sed: can't read /home/phablet/dev_tmp/CurrencyConverter/CurrencyConverter.desktop: No such file or directory         --------Got this error when I tried to run the currency app that I know my computer runs
[04:57] <sr20dett> are there any other tutorials that run out of the box like the bzr ubuntu-sdk-tutorials?
[09:07] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Samhain! :-D
[10:18] <aquarius> popey, you did ken's review?
[10:19] <popey> yes
[10:19] <popey> just now
[10:19] <aquarius> I'm not hassling you for it; just a little disappointed that some of your compatriots didn't step in and do it while you were asleep. you sem to do all the reviews :)
[10:20] <popey> i think it's the usual sweet spot of dead time in the world
[10:20] <aquarius> yeah, probably: night here, evening in the US, and no reviewers in, say, indonesia
[10:20] <popey> I mean, 2AM UK, europe are sleeping, it's way past EOD for the western colonies too
[10:20] <popey> exactly
[10:21] <aquarius> question: is the plan really that manual review will entirely go away once the click-reviewers-tools are a bit more detailed, or will there always be a manual approval step?
[10:27] <popey> aquarius: i believe we want to get rid of the manual step altogether
[10:27] <aquarius> cool.
[10:28] <aquarius> also, I think that upgrading apps doesn't work. Every time I upgrade an app it whitescreens on starting it, but if I remove the app and reinstall it it works :(
[10:28] <aquarius> I am not running trusty, though, so this may have been fixed.
[10:32] <popey> how are you starting it?
[10:33] <popey> I suspect the dash doesn't update on upgrade and your dash points to the previous release still
[10:33] <popey> and the white screen is qmlscene trying to run a non-existent qml file
[10:36] <aquarius> aah
[10:36] <aquarius> that could well be it
[10:36] <aquarius> same error that you discovered with pinned launcher icons?
[10:37] <aquarius> the dash needs a kick in the rounds, then :)
[10:44] <popey> yes
[10:45] <popey> bug 1245890
[10:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1245890 in Unity 8 "Pinning to launcher followed by upgrade, breaks pinned app link" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1245890
[10:45] <popey> maybe leave a comment / confirm on that
[11:47] <popey> still getting a fair number of desktop apps submitted to the touch store
[14:34] <failDev> Hey i've a question can anybody help me?
[14:34] <ogra_> how would anybody know ?
[14:34] <ogra_> :)
[14:36] <ogra_> (read that as: ask your question and we might know if we can answer it ;) )
[14:36] <failDev> my problem is that i've runned a virtual machine with ubuntu and i want to develope an app but i only see a black window and the message "unrecognized OpenGL version" appears
[14:36] <failDev> and sorry about my bad english :)
[14:41] <popey> failDev: known bug in qt
[14:41] <ogra_> sounds like you are missing graphics drivers for the VM
[14:41] <popey> https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-32225
[14:41] <ogra_> or what popey said :P
[14:41] <popey> QSG_RENDER_LOOP=basic qmlscene app.qml
[14:41] <failDev> okey thanks :)
[14:41] <popey> do that to run your app until qt fix teh bug
[14:42] <popey> well, its fixed, but upstream.. so until we get the fix
[14:42]  * popey hugs Mirv 
[14:43] <failDev> sorry but i'm to silly :D where should i write this?
[14:44] <popey> open a terminal inside the vm
[14:44] <popey> navigate to teh directory containing your qml app
[14:45] <popey> export QSG_RENDER_LOOP=basic
[14:45] <popey> qmlscene your_app.qml
[14:45] <popey> whatever your app is called
[14:48] <failDev> don't works anywhere it only comes a black window
[14:49] <failDev> ahh now it works!!!
[14:50] <ogra_> \o/
[14:50] <failDev> i did the LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1 and it works
[14:50] <failDev> thanks a lot! :)
[14:52] <failDev> but when i run it in the qt creator it don't works :D
[14:53] <failDev> omg i'm a real noob
[14:55] <popey> failDev: nah, I'd expect it to fail in qtcreator
[14:56] <popey> maybe launch qtcreator from the terminal where you set those environment variables?
[14:58] <failDev> no anaywehre
[18:05] <randomcpp> nik90, I saw your initiative, torico, too bad I can't at the moment help as a developer :(
[18:53] <mrqtros> lisette, hi, are you here? :)
[20:18] <derEremit> Hi, know what would be an incedible feature for me:
[20:19] <derEremit> using a subsonic server as a backend
[20:19] <derEremit> could this theoretically be done?
[20:20] <derEremit> sorry wrong channel