=== LjL is now known as TheGhostOfLjL [01:13] http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/1pk8y7/cisco_has_licensed_h264_and_is_making_it_freely/ [01:13] woo :) [01:21] i don't see how that is possible [01:21] unless they paid a massive amount of money to every patent holder [01:21] * Azelphur shrugs [01:23] ali1234: $6.5M total I think [01:23] yeah that's not nearly enough [01:23] so you don't have to pay a royalty if you use cisco's binary [01:23] ali1234: the patents for this type of thing go through clearing orgs for the patents in question and I think there was some upper bound [01:24] but you still can't make your own === TheGhostOfLjL is now known as LjL === LjL is now known as TheGhostOfLjL [02:18] connect irc.quakenet [07:11] morning everyone [07:11] hi knightwise [07:11] Martijn , i have a quick question [07:11] wondering if you can help me [07:11] I'll try ;) [07:11] I installed LMDE on my system and have just inserted a brand new usb disk [07:11] formatted it to ext4 [07:11] and now when I try to write something to it it says read only ? [07:12] ext4 drives tend to be owned by root [07:12] you can chown the mount point (After mounting) or set the default user using tune2fs [07:12] ah thats it [07:12] so if I mount it in a folder in my home drive it will be ok ? [07:13] no, the mount will change the permissions/ownership of the mount point usually [07:13] or would it be better to just format it ext3 ? [07:13] that'll have the same issue :) [07:13] ok , so i'll just mount it in a folder. [07:14] knightwise: just mount it, then chown the mount point to the correct user [07:15] that will be persistent across mounts [07:15] http://superuser.com/questions/519824/mounting-ext4-drive-with-specified-user-permission [07:16] so i'm punching in chown knightwise (and then whats my group ? [07:16] whatever you want [07:17] can i leave it blank ? [07:17] check your ~ if you don't have a clue [07:17] ? [07:17] sorry what ? [07:18] ls -ld ~ (your home dir) [07:18] should give you an idea of which group to choose [07:18] my home dir is /home/knightwie [07:19] it's also "~" ;) [07:19] i did the chmod , now when I do an ls-alh it says knightwise in the first column , but root in the second [07:19] so the second column is the group [07:20] bingo [07:20] got it [07:20] lets see if it works [07:20] BINGO !ç :-) [07:20] THanx MartijnVdS :) [07:22] Ha [07:22] thats odd [07:22] when I create a file from the command line, no problemù [07:22] when I try to copy over a file from a different disk it says "read only" [07:24] knightwise: how do you copy it? [07:24] to get the "read only" [07:24] from one finder window to the other [07:24] Finder? [07:24] sorry , nautilus [07:25] some of the files are on a second usb disk , others on an sftp server [07:25] hiiiiiii good morning everyone [07:26] knightwise: weird, maybe it cached the read-onlyness from earlier? [07:26] not sure , [07:26] I even did a chmod -R 777 on the folder to be sure [07:29] doing a reformat at starting over to be sure [07:29] trying this again. [07:40] knightwise: that should not be necessary [07:40] knightwise: is there anything about read-only-ness in the kernel log? [07:42] erm how do i see that ? [07:42] knightwise: dmesg, or check /var/log/kern.log :) [07:43] Oct 31 07:57:25 stargazer kernel: [ 990.550874] EXT4-fs (sdf1): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null) [07:43] sounds good [07:43] in the kern log there doesnt seem to be an issue [07:43] and you can write to it as root, right? [07:43] says it "mounted the filesystem" a [07:43] and you can chown knightwise:knightwise the mountpoint? [07:43] write cache enabled [07:44] yes [07:44] then it's not mounted read-only :) [07:44] and when i create file using the command line it works [07:44] but when i copy over a file from a different disk .. it doesnt [07:44] knightwise: if you've done: mount /dev/whatever /home/knightwise/some_dir; chown knightwise:knightwise some_dir", it should Just Work [07:45] if it doesn't, mount it in /mnt/scratch_disk (or whatever name you want, create the dir first) [07:45] then "mkdir /mnt/scratch_disk/knightwise_stuff" [07:45] chown knightwise:knightwise /mnt/scratch_disk/knightwise_stuff [07:45] then ln -s /mnt/scratch_disk/knightwise_stuff ~/mounted_disk [07:45] it'll be in a subdir, but it'll work :) [07:49] ok , i started from scratch [07:49] the disk is now mounted in /media [07:50] (as linux does so by default) [07:50] that's the automounter [07:50] owner group = Root [07:50] i'm gonna change the label of the disk for a sec [07:50] did you re-format? because that's expected in that case [07:50] yes [08:00] ok [08:00] she is mounted in /media [08:01] mkdir /media/BAY2/media [08:01] ok , [08:02] i better do this in a command line window [08:02] not in irc :^) *dumb* [08:03] ok [08:03] knightwise: yeah, that helps [08:03] i did a chmod of the bay2 disk in /media/b [08:03] and i'm now the owner and stiff [08:03] stuff [08:03] knightwise: good job you didn't do "sudo" and put your password in here [08:03] but still .. read only :)- [08:04] gordonjcp: that would have been very stupid [08:04] knightwise: is it mounted read-only? [08:04] gordonjcp: how do i see that [08:04] type "mount" [08:04] morning earthlings [08:05] /dev/sdf1 on /media/BAY2 type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_xattr,barrier=1,data=ordered,uhelper=udisks) [08:05] should work .. right ? [08:05] knightwise: okay, so it's rw, you're the owner of the directory and the directory is rw? [08:06] ah [08:06] drwxr-xr-x 4 knightwise knightwise 4.0K Oct 31 09:05 BAY2 [08:06] so: yes [08:06] http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/A_Quick_Introduction_to_Unix/Permissions :P [08:06] and when I go in from the command line .. it works [08:06] i can create a file / folder [08:07] but not from nautilus [08:07] it only makes sense if its a bug [08:07] Cool - just got my custom url on G+ https://plus.google.com/+AlanLord [08:13] this has to be a bug [08:13] I got a note 2 days ago (I guess?) that I could choose one [08:13] i'm gonna try again with ext3 [08:13] knightwise: ext3 won't fix it [08:13] MartijnVdS: the note2 is a great phone [08:13] i have one too :) [08:14] knightwise: No I mean, a notification from google that I could make an URL like that for my G+ :) [08:14] MartijnVdS: but its soo funny . I works in the command line but it doesnt work from the file explorer. [08:14] aha ! :) [08:14] knightwise: create a subdir owned by you:you, try that [08:14] man i'm not awake this morning [08:14] Did that too [08:14] also, try in a non-root shell :) [08:15] knightwise: can you do ls -lR /media/your_device_name, strip out the filenames you think we should not know, and put it on pastebin? [08:15] ok, [08:16] ps :is it normal that a format to ext3 takes forever and a format to ext4 is done in a jiffy ? [08:16] yes [08:16] ext4 only allocates some necessary bits, and writes the rest as needed ("lazy") [08:18] popey: Latest rumour is that the N5 will be released tomorrow, 15:00 (8am US/Pacific) === iahmad is now known as iahmad|afk [08:20] oh wait [08:20] popey: *this* afternoon, even [08:33] wheeee Benedict and Jonny Lee tonight ♥ [08:36] hey MartijnVdS [08:36] i tried what you suggested [08:36] hey, knightwise :) [08:36] and its the same thing [08:36] so weird [08:36] works fine from the command line [08:37] doesnt work from the finder [08:37] i mean the file explorere [08:37] knightwise: are you sure you're using the correct target in that? [08:37] yes [08:37] how? [08:37] holdon , i'll "drill down" in the file manager [08:38] i won't use the "devices" section but navigate to the media section [08:38] same thing [08:38] so it's mounted in /media [08:38] can you ls -ld /media ? [08:38] uh [08:39] ls -ld /media/your_device_here [08:39] drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 Oct 31 09:32 /media/ [08:39] drwxrwxrwx 4 knightwise knightwise 4096 Oct 31 09:33 /media/BAY2/ [08:39] i just did a chmod -R 777 to try that out [08:39] and still the same error when you use the file explorer [08:40] knightwise: that's a bug [08:40] bingo , i thought so [08:40] I can work around that , i'll just use 12.04 lts instead of LMDE [08:40] knightwise: if you do "mkdir /media/BAY2/whatever", check its ownership (knightwise:knightwise, 0755 (drwxr-xr-x) [08:40] knightwise: can you write in the "whatever" subdir? [08:42] not from the file explorer [08:42] i can from the command line [08:42] transmission has a command line version too, btw [08:42] knightwise: can you do "id" from the command line? [08:42] and a webinterface [08:42] uid=1000(knightwise) gid=1000(knightwise) groups=1000(knightwise),4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),27(sudo),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),113(lpadmin),120(sambashare) [08:43] knightwise: have you tried killing and restarting the file manager? [08:43] maybe it cached something wrong [08:43] holdon [08:43] i'm gonna reboot for a sec [08:43] have you double mounted the mount point or something? [08:44] reboot won't fix it [08:47] http://ntlive.nationaltheatre.org.uk/productions/16546-frankenstein ♥ ♥ ♥ [08:47] theatre-- [08:48] MartijnVdS: that fixed it ! [08:48] a simple reboot [08:48] seems that the file manager does cache things [08:48] MartijnVdS: bubububu Jonny Lee and Benedict... === schwukz_away is now known as schwuk === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [09:06] Good morning all; happy Samhain! :-D [09:31] bit of an embarrasing bug in office 365 [09:31] i forwarded a meeting invite to somebody with a few sarcastic comments. [09:32] guess what 0365 did? it created a nwe meeting and invited everybody to it, with those comments [09:32] haha.. OOPS [09:32] and i couldn't cancel it [09:36] happy reformation day! [09:39] * SuperMatt reforms as a pile of gloop on the floor [09:53] MP did not respond, i guess he is not going to the surveillance debate [09:54] do they publish attendance lists ? [09:54] i guess not [09:56] mungbean, I'd be surprised if you couldn't at least find out if your MP attended, say via ORG. [10:00] In related news: http://goo.gl/VNz11a (Washington Post article on NSA wiretapping Google, Yahoo!) [10:53] good morning everyone [10:57] mungbean: http://www.theyworkforyou.com/ voting records mostly, I think you can wander in and out of the chamber without being recorded [10:58] unless they say anything, that gets recorded too [11:04] Morning all [11:04] morning [11:05] https://plus.google.com/+AlanBell TheOpenSourcerer :) [11:06] :-) [11:06] Now all we need is https://plus.google.com/+LibertusSolutions [11:07] you dont need the plus btw [11:07] http://google.com/+AlanPope [11:07] i thought we had these things ages ago [11:07] no, we have things like http://popey.com/+ ages ago [11:07] note they had a comment on the T&C that they might decide to start charging for it in future [11:07] no it was always long numbers for profile names [11:08] so it's a better-grab-it-now vs they'll probably charge when everyone uses it [11:08] can't see how to make it happen for a page [11:08] why would they charge for it? they want g+ to be an indetity service, rahter than social network [11:08] mungbean: It was in the T&C when you confirm it [11:08] It wouldn't surprise me if they charged for pages [11:08] that would be counter productive [11:09] they want identities [11:09] yeah, for people [11:09] and they want to make money out of companies [11:09] I'm trying to claim +Myrtti [11:09] ah, pages=companies? [11:09] how are they going to get identities? [11:09] mungbean: yeah [11:09] how do you claim the +Name's ?:o [11:09] mungbean: pages can be anything [11:10] g+ offered me MyName [11:10] and other things, but companies can't be people (in theory) [11:10] so if you want a corporate presence on G+ then you make a page for it === Myrtti_ is now known as Myrtti [11:12] never know what to do with G+, i've no real need to use/login/do anything on it when i've got facefail and twatter already :( [11:12] the world needs less social networking, it's hard to keep up! [11:12] Lots of Ubuntu people are on there [11:12] and photo people [11:12] Like this one: https://plus.google.com/b/117044437831175918422/117044437831175918422/about [11:12] TheOpenSourcerer: is that people? :) [11:12] facebook has too many family members on it, twitter is too short and restrictive for a proper conversation [11:12] they don't really care if you use it for social networks [11:12] or they would make it better for that [11:13] that's true - i can see there's a gap for special interest/professional social networking, as linkedin is just an AdFest [11:13] http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2011/08/29/googles-eric-schmidt-says-plus-is-an-identity-service-not-a-social-network/ [11:13] its more of a means for google to collect better quality info about you and to tie it to a real person [11:14] all google searches, gmail, youtube searches etc ,etc [11:14] i find myself in the neverending circle of trying to organise my techy life, whether it be getting all my photos onlnie, and keeping junk ones from amateur 'good' photos, to making sure all my files/contacts/emails/images are sycned to all devices [11:15] arsen: do you have kids? [11:15] no xD [11:15] when you do... [11:15] yeah i can imagine. [11:15] you'll have a pile of bills and letters unopended on the stairs, and a mould patch on the bathroom wall and a leaking tap [11:16] and you won't care about you techie life [11:16] can't help but think life would be esaier if i'd of just gone for android on my phone, and never bothered with an ipad, and never gotten comfortable with OSX as a sysadmin, and ignored facebook. [11:16] i have a fairly clear split on facebook, only family [11:16] i was up between 1-3.30am with teething crying baby [11:16] yeah, it'd just be nice if it was all tidy and in the right place. no one company seems to offer the full 360degree solution with everything synced and harmonised :) [11:16] I ignore Facebook anyway [11:16] none of my facebook friends understand techie stuff [11:17] so i keep it that way === iahmad_ is now known as iahmad [11:19] makes sense, i tend to keep techy chat to irc, or maybe twitter. [11:20] i delete any tweets older than 14 days [11:20] interesting, why and how do you do that mungbean? [11:21] i'm not a heavy tweeter , but i consider its usefulness only transient [11:22] much like reddit, before i quit i realised for all the stuff on the site, most of it is old news, [11:22] so do you manually go back through your profile and press delete on things? [11:22] yep [11:22] i do it on facebook too, but not so strictly [11:22] i think i have a hatred of yesterdays news [11:22] that sounds time consuming [11:23] heh reddit - i think i've managed to successfully avoid reddit in my entire technical life [11:23] haha [11:23] most comments are just fluff and fleeting [11:23] you're the second guy I know who deletes old tweets [11:23] it's an exceptionally odd thing to do [11:23] IMHO [11:23] you're welcome :D [11:23] it's odd in the sense that they're probably aren't really deleted [11:23] who's the other? [11:24] i started to adopt the "i dont care" policy about censoring my online profile and hiding stupid drunk comments [11:24] a guy in my local lug who argues with celebs on twitter [11:24] then auto deletes his tweets [11:24] i don't do that ;P [11:24] that sounds more like trolling and regret [11:25] sounds fun. [11:25] i used to sometimes write a big long reddit comment and then delete it 1hr/1day later [11:26] some people write massive blog posts they never publish [11:26] save yourself the hassle and do like me.. put reddit and G+ in the big basket of unwanted internet content. [11:26] or journals nobody reads [11:26] if your stuff is public you want a more noble history than "going for a poo now" [11:27] if you became high profile like ed snowden and the press raked over your stuff, the last tweet you sent was some lame comment [11:27] people dont actually do that though [11:27] it would be absolutely super if Tinternet would work proper [11:27] gah. [11:27] thats the same argument people gave for not using twitter [11:27] "It's just people talking about their food" [11:27] and sports [11:27] there are various people arguing for a right to be forgotten online [11:27] which maybe true for some, just don't follow those people [11:27] simple [11:28] I forgot about the right to be forgotten [11:28] and people who don't much like the existence of irclogs.ubuntu.com [11:28] ed snowden published a load of "arty" shots on ars technica in 2009 and it got aired in public when the stuff blew up [11:29] it is interesting when what someone wants to be forgotten is their portion of a conversation [11:29] AlanBell: maybe non google searchable irclogs would be nicer [11:29] and less useful [11:29] AlanBell: well, as long as the irclogs site itself has an internal search [11:29] AlanBell: also, how often do you go back to irc logs from '04? [11:29] me, not often [11:30] every so often, to find the same goddamn forum post link i always lose. [11:30] but I do use site:irclogs.ubuntu.com in google searches from time to time [11:30] i haven't changed my irc name lately [11:31] me too [11:31] i want to go back and find a url that was mentioned somewhere or something [11:32] then you know it was on the site, and can use site:blah as MartijnVdS said [11:32] not everything has to be given to the google [11:33] but if google dont index it [11:33] then site: blah doesnt work [11:34] that was shorthand for internal search [11:34] it doesnt though [11:34] and thats only one use case [11:36] ^_^ internet privacy debate. [11:36] oh dear me [11:37] my browser doesn't load iwfchecker.lightning-bolt.net [11:45] * arsen just learnt what iwf is [11:48] http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/30/5048326/h7n9-bird-flu-spread-stopped-by-live-poultry-market-shutdown-researchers-find [11:53] plaese can someone using chrome do a test for me? [11:55] go here and click download https://my.vmware.com/web/vmware/details?downloadGroup=DT-ESXI55-EMULEX-BE2ISCSI-462610&productId=353 [11:55] vmware links don't work in chrome , strangely [11:56] asks me to log in [11:56] then it works [11:56] doesn't even respond to my click [11:56] oh. adblock plus [11:57] I was about to say [11:58] that happens so rarely === TheGhostOfLjL is now known as LjL [12:43] Can anyone explain UK trains to me? :) [12:44] Snowden has secured employment with a "major" Russian website and will start work on Friday. Neither the particular employer nor Snowden's exact duties have been detailed, other than to say that he'll be performing a "technical support" role. [12:44] They run on tracks, somehow never seem to run on time, and if there's a single leaf on the track everybody panics. [12:44] so hegot a visa? [12:44] Azelphur: sure, but in the Netherlands, you can get one ticket and use it for all operators [12:44] MartijnVdS: metal wheels on metal rails, lots of slippy. old trains from 60s [12:44] Azelphur: also, 1 operator per line [12:44] MartijnVdS: you and your sane country [12:44] :( [12:45] MartijnVdS: You generally can buy one ticket here as well - although there may be offers from some operators to do cheaper stuff [12:45] where u wnna go to/from? [12:45] mungbean: from Gatwick into London [12:45] and back [12:45] gatwick express [12:46] theres a special train [12:46] .. that's £10 more expensive than regular tickets [12:46] http://www.gatwickexpress.com/ [12:46] and quick [12:46] yes, just get a regular ticket [12:46] gatwick express is fast, but slightly more money. normal train tickets work from gatwick to victoria (or clapham junction) [12:46] then u try not to fly to brighton next time and choose a london airport :P [12:47] MartijnVdS: transportdirect.info [12:47] penguin42: I was looking at nationalrail [12:47] hmm shouldn't be much difference [12:47] Would tickets work at any time during the day, or are they train-dependent (or just route-dependent) [12:48] MartijnVdS: Generally in most places most tickets aren't provider specific, so you don't worry about who is running the train, sometimes you get special offers from one provider which makes theirs cheaper [12:48] MartijnVdS: Generally you get on/off peak tickets but no more [12:48] penguin42: or more expensive ;) [12:48] Azelphur: could you please do me a favour [12:48] Myrtti: sup? [12:48] Azelphur: could you ping hilla.kapsi.fi [12:48] tickets / routes can be done on thetrainline.com or nationalrailenquiries [12:48] I just feel like ripping the head of a TalkTalk customer rep right now [12:49] Myrtti: works for me (v6 and v4) from .nl [12:49] MartijnVdS: If you do a search on transportdirect, go to the tickets/costs tab it then shows you the ticket types, and if you click on the type it'll show you the restrictionson that type of ticket [12:49] Myrtti: 4 packets transmitted, 4 received, 0% packet loss, time 3001ms [12:49] MartijnVdS: how much ££ you getting quoted? [12:49] right [12:49] rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 65.925/66.200/66.410/0.273 ms [12:49] so it's just me [12:49] penguin42: great, thanks! [12:49] mine is blackholed somewhere in TalkTalk cabling then [12:49] MartijnVdS: If you buy in advance they're cheaper, but you can always buy on machines in the stations [12:50] and TalkTalk want me to login to the account which I don't have a password for or any actual wish to have it. [12:50] before they do anything else [12:50] penguin42: yeah, did that before, but that cost a lot of money :) [12:51] MartijnVdS: OK, some of the in-advance ones are cheaper because they book to a particular time/seat - some are just cheaper because you book in advance [12:52] whats the cheapest ticket you seen so far? [12:52] for what? [12:52] sorry question for MartijnVdS [12:52] for his journey [12:52] mungbean: 2 singles for £10 each, but I think those are "you have to get on that one specific train" type tickets [12:53] not a good combination with planes i suppose [12:53] next one down is £28 for the return fare, which makes the £31 for the easy option (gatwick express) the best/least confusing option [12:53] going alone? [12:53] yeah [12:53] but on Easyjet [12:56] wonder how much the buy @ station is for the regular railway [12:56] i.e. buy for particular train, but buy at station [12:57] http://www.headforpoints.com/2012/11/28/gatwick-express-promotional-code/ [12:57] life is confusing [12:58] *read* [13:00] also...for the brave http://www.easybus.co.uk/london-gatwick [13:00] mungbean: took a bus from Luton into London once. Cheap, effective but *shudder* [13:00] took a bus from london to northern island once [13:00] ireland*? [13:00] and also london to barcelona, pisa, etc [13:01]