[05:16] <Kilos> morning superfly Squirm and others
[05:20] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[05:20] <mazal> Môre oom
[05:21] <Kilos> moenie breek nie maak reg
[05:22] <mazal> Ek sal probeer , maar sit niks op papier nie :)
[05:22] <Kilos> hehe
[05:38] <Kilos> hi bduk 
[05:41] <Kilos> ah inetpro zram comes with casper when you install remastersys
[05:41] <Squirm> morning
[06:10] <Kilos> hi Xethron 
[06:14] <superfly> morning Kilos, mazal, Squirm, Xethron
[06:14] <Xethron> morning Kilos, superfly
[06:25] <mazal> Morning superfly 
[06:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[06:26] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy nlsthzn 
[06:26] <superfly> ohi ThatGraemeGuy
[06:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> aloha :)
[06:27] <nlsthzn> alo :)
[06:47] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[06:52] <Symmetria> heh, so someone needs to fix the nvidia drivers under linux
[06:53] <Symmetria> I was testing last night from a live cd and they are broke ;p
[07:09]  * superfly grumbles about the lack of decent repositories in south africa
[07:12] <Kilos> Symmetria, balls in your court
[07:12] <Kilos> you left local repos to others
[07:15] <magespawn> good day
[07:15] <Kilos> ohi magespawn 
[07:15] <Kilos> you winning yet?
[07:16] <magespawn> yup the gate is sorted
[07:16] <Kilos> well done
[07:16] <Kilos> keep records
[07:16] <Vince-0> suurp!
[07:16] <Vince-0> check these Canadian VPS out! http://cloudatcost.com/
[07:16] <Vince-0> once off options yoh
[07:17] <magespawn> hey Vince-0 
[07:19] <magespawn> even the $140 is noce\
[07:20] <magespawn> s/noce\/nice
[07:20]  * nlsthzn is not having any issues with nvidia drivers
[07:32] <Kilos> nlsthzn, you missed our meeting
[07:32] <Kilos> fastest one ever
[07:32] <Kilos> about 30 mins
[07:32] <nlsthzn> I was in bed... was contemplating going but was to tired
[07:32] <nlsthzn> hope it was constructive at least :)
[07:33] <Kilos> aw, ok you forgiven
[07:33] <Kilos> wasnt much to discuss
[07:35] <nlsthzn> k
[08:00] <Kilos> hi laim
[08:00] <Kilos> liamT, as well
[08:01] <liamT> morning everyone
[08:06] <mazal> Oom Kilos , jy gaanit glo nie maar ek het nog 'n probleem gekry , een van my apps het in swart en wit gewys
[08:06] <Kilos> ai!
[08:07] <mazal> Gelukkig vinnig reg gekom weer
[08:07] <Kilos> daar is n probleem daar ek dink. dit maak soos n virus wat groei
[08:07] <Kilos> het jy vensters goed op jou pc
[08:07] <mazal> Nope
[08:08] <Kilos> ek weet ons kry nie virusse nie maar dis die soort ding wat hulle doen
[08:08] <Kilos> elke dag n extra problem
[08:09] <Kilos> net vit interasntheids wil instaleer clamtk en scan home
[08:09] <Kilos> sjoe interesantheid
[08:10] <Kilos> wb magespawn 
[08:10] <Kilos> did you see Squirm going up that way
[08:11] <mazal> clamtk ?
[08:11] <Kilos> antivirus
[08:11] <Kilos> in die repos
[08:12] <Kilos> aptitude install clamtk
[08:12] <mazal> Dis mos daai cli scanner ?
[08:12] <Kilos> tk is gui
[08:12] <mazal> k
[08:14] <mazal> Hoe update ek sy signatures ? Hy se outdated
[08:15] <Kilos> anders weet ek nie wat kan elke dag n nuwe probleem gee nie tensy jou hardeskyf besig is om op te pak
[08:15] <Kilos> freashclam ek dink maar dit hoort te instaleer het
[08:15] <Kilos> freshclam
[08:16] <mazal> En hoe se ek vir hom om te scan , ek sien nie die opsie nie
[08:16] <Kilos> daar is n home button
[08:17] <mazal> Die home button gee net info
[08:17] <Kilos> laat ek dit instaleer en kyk
[08:19] <mazal> Sien my netwerk hardloop so dis seker sy updater wat nou update
[08:20] <Kilos> sien jy home histories preferences en exit
[08:21] <mazal> Yep
[08:22] <mazal> O ek het dit gekry , dis bo in die unity menu wanneer hy oop is
[08:22] <Kilos> myne is heel onder
[08:22] <Kilos> hehe
[08:23] <mazal> Maar dit wil nie werk nie , dink ek moet wag tot hy klaar ge-update het
[08:24] <Kilos> hmm. ek kannie onthou nie, maar miskien is dit een van die goed wat eers na reboot wer
[08:24] <Kilos> werk
[08:24] <Kilos> dit kan eposse scan ook
[08:26] <Kilos> daar in preferences is opsies
[08:27] <Kilos> as jy .* tick kan dit alle exe goed kwarantine
[08:28] <Kilos> maar scan eers home sonder enige van hulle getiek
[08:31] <mazal> Hy scan nou
[08:31] <mazal> Dink nie hy gaan iets kry nie
[08:32] <Kilos> al wat ek ooit gesien het sover is dat dit alle ms goed as virus sien
[08:32] <Kilos> en ek het in van die ms goed trojans gekry
[08:34] <mazal> Nou hoe scan mens ms folders as hy alle ms files as virusse sien ?
[08:36] <Kilos> miskien nie almal nie man
[08:37] <Kilos> ek het nie baie diep in die ding gegaan nie
[08:37] <mazal> It says 6 threats found
[08:37] <Kilos> man clamtk
[08:37] <Kilos> ok kyk wat en waar is hulle
[08:37] <mazal> Wat is die site om foto's te post nou weer ?
[08:38] <Kilos> hmm...
[08:38] <Kilos> skoon vergeet
[08:38] <Kilos> Maaz, google where to post photos
[08:38] <Maaz> Kilos: "Welcome to Flickr - Photo Sharing" http://www.flickr.com/ :: "Where can I post my pictures, movies, or other files online for free?" http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000755.htm :: "Photo and image hosting, free photo galleries, photo editing" http://photobucket.com/ :: "Postimage.org - free image hosting / image upload" http://postimage.org/ :: "Your
[08:38] <Maaz> Shot Photo Community -- National Geographic" http://yourshot.nationalgeographic.com/ :: "Wh…
[08:39] <mazal> dink dis daai flickr
[08:40] <mazal> Ag nee nou moet mens eers sign-up
[08:40] <mazal> Gaanie dit doen nie
[08:40] <Kilos> haha
[08:40] <Symmetria> heh flickr works well as a photo post site
[08:40] <Symmetria> particularly because it allows you to post native resolution photos
[08:41] <Symmetria> (though uploading large quantities of native res photos if you've been using a high end camera is painful)
[08:42] <mazal> Kilos: -> http://slexy.org/raw/s21t3SD56G
[08:42] <Kilos> i go see
[08:43] <mazal> Those ones in the chrome cache worry me
[08:43] <Symmetria> heh the raw images outta my camera are like 40meg big each
[08:43] <Symmetria> and even in the high res jpegs they are 12 
[08:43] <Kilos> and the mozilla one
[08:44] <Kilos> tell it to quarantine or delete them
[08:44] <Kilos> Symmetria, do you run antivirus and firewall on your ubuntu servers
[08:45] <Symmetria> kilos negative on both counts, firewalls are dedicated systems
[08:45] <mazal> Don't know how to get the pop-up again with the quarantine option
[08:45] <Symmetria> because iptables is horrible 
[08:45] <Kilos> hahaha
[08:45] <Symmetria> and never had a need for anti-virus on servers that only allow ssh and http etc 
[08:45] <Kilos> hard work iptables
[08:46] <Symmetria> heh, my firewalls are junos srx 
[08:46] <Symmetria> (junos is built on top of bsd, but it has a nice syntax and it's *FAR* more powerful)
[08:46] <Kilos> Maaz, run it again and tell it delete them
[08:46] <Maaz> Kilos: Huh?
[08:46] <Symmetria> you could probably duplicate everything an srx could do on a linux box but it would be an absolute pain in the ass 
[08:47] <Kilos> mazal i mean
[08:47] <Kilos> sjoe
[08:47] <Kilos> dont the servers ever get hacked?
[08:48] <Kilos> like launchpad a while back
[08:48] <magespawn> Hey Kilos I did, I said I would chat with him today
[08:49] <magespawn> Squirm, ping
[08:49] <Kilos> cool
[08:51] <Vince-0> aarg! I hate paypal
[08:53] <mazal> Pitty one can't see from which site those browser fishy stuff came
[09:07] <Kilos> hi psyatw 
[09:07] <Kilos> maybe with some investigation you can
[09:07] <Kilos> or learn to use clamtk to its best uses
[09:08] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[09:13] <Kilos> morning inetpro 
[09:16] <Squirm> hey magespawn, sorry, was in pmb this morning
[09:46] <magespawn> no worries Squirm 
[09:47] <magespawn> There is a Cheetah rehab/breeding project at Emdoneni, and Zulu Croc snake and reptile place and Dumazulu a cultural village
[10:00] <Squirm> the Cheetah rehab thing could be cool
[10:01] <Squirm> magespawn: cost for something like that?
[10:02] <bduk> Good morning everyone
[10:05] <Squirm> morning bduk 
[10:06] <Symmetria> heh I was trying to write code again last night
[10:06] <Symmetria> until what I was doing got so complex it was giving me a migrane and gave up
[10:06] <Symmetria> ;p
[10:07] <Symmetria> heh, networking is a fun field until you start working out the complexities of dynamic routing and path metrics 
[10:07] <Symmetria> "what happens to my network if path X goes down, where does the traffic go"
[10:07] <Symmetria> working that out can be a horrible nightmare
[10:07] <Squirm> I think I'd enjoy that cat sanctuary
[10:08] <Symmetria> heh, I adopted a tiger at the place in outsdhoorn because they needed funding, so I got to name it and pay for its upkeep etc
[10:08] <Symmetria> they let me play with it :)
[10:08] <Symmetria> http://www.alstonnetworks.net/temp/me.jpg <[10:09] <Symmetria> its name is Tika :)
[10:09] <Symmetria> but you gotta be careful of that thing ;p
[10:11] <Squirm> Symmetria: that's cool
[10:11] <Squirm> I want one
[10:11] <Squirm> 2 of my friends were having an argument that you don't find tigers in SA :P
[10:11] <Squirm> well, not ones that roam
[10:17] <Symmetria> heh you don't
[10:17] <Symmetria> tigers aren't native to south africa
[10:17] <Squirm> I know
[10:17] <Squirm> I think he was just arguig for the sake of it
[10:17] <Squirm> arguing
[10:49]  * Symmetria dies
[10:49] <Symmetria> anyone wanna take a guess at what a single 10gig SDH port costs on a router? 
[10:49] <Symmetria> *120 THOUSAND DOLLARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*
[11:06] <Kilos> hi tal0n 
[11:07] <tal0n> hi Kilos 
[11:08] <tal0n> hello everyone else
[11:08] <Kilos> hi wilsonmc_ welcome to ubuntu-za
[11:09] <wilsonmc_> hello :)
[11:10] <wilsonmc_> thanks, Kilos! Howzit?
[11:10] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[11:11] <Kilos> if you need linux help state your prob
[11:11] <Kilos> tell us a bit about yourself
[11:11] <Kilos> if you know all about ubuntu/linux hang here and hope for others to help
[11:11] <Kilos> hehe
[11:12] <wilsonmc_> i'm good, thanks. No linux help is required at the moment (but I have received good help on this channel in the past)
[11:12] <Symmetria> haha I said to my boss "so like, in order to motivate me to actually coem to the office, can you plz be duplicating my home setup in my office at work, else Im going from a nice setup to a crappy setup and its very demoralizing"
[11:12] <Symmetria> haha so he agreed 
[11:12] <Symmetria> before he actually saw my home setup ;p
[11:12] <tal0n> haha rookie mistake ;)
[11:14] <wilsonmc_> "About": I'm aCape Town based CS student, and love open source software and hardware
[11:14] <wilsonmc_> as for helping others with Linux problems... Ehm, I can help compound them :D
[11:15] <Symmetria> tal0n lol did you see my photos of my home office?
[11:16] <wilsonmc_> Lol Symmetria do u have a pic?
[11:16] <Symmetria> http://www.alstonnetworks.net/temp/computer.jpg
[11:17] <wilsonmc_> hahaha! your boss must have experienced quite a rush 
[11:18] <tal0n> Symmetria: i haven't seen the new monitors yet
[11:18] <Symmetria> ;p what that pic doesnt adequately show is the sound system linked to that 
[11:18] <Symmetria> tal0n look at that pic I just pasted
[11:19] <Symmetria> and yes, its running windows because the nvidia linux drivers are fubar and won't work with that setup :(
[11:20] <tal0n> nice!
[11:20] <Symmetria> heh those 2 monitors on the right are 2560x1080p res
[11:20] <Symmetria> ultra wides 
[11:21] <wilsonmc_> incredible setup, 4 sure
[11:21] <tal0n> thats epic
[11:21] <Symmetria> tal0n lol, its linked to a yamaha RX-A810 Advantage amplifier
[11:22] <wilsonmc_> i see a few xbox titles there in the corner ;)
[11:22] <Symmetria> that does 720p -> 1080p video hardware upscale for the DSTV links 
[11:22] <Symmetria> and then paradigm series 7 surround speakers 
[11:22] <tal0n> add a couple of workspaces to that and you're sure to lose your running aps ;)
[11:22] <Symmetria> amplifier and tv are both also internet connected 
[11:22] <tal0n> must be quite and experience lol
[11:22] <Symmetria> (you can actually browse to my amplifier with a web browser)
[11:23] <tal0n> an*
[11:23] <Symmetria> lol the sound system was designed to ensure my neighbors always had good taste in music, irrespective of if they wanted good taste in music or not ;p
[11:23] <tal0n> lol
[11:24] <Symmetria> if I don't open the windows when that thing is cranked on full, pretty sure I'd break the glass ;p
[11:24] <wilsonmc_> lol
[11:24] <Symmetria> the machine itself that drives all that
[11:25] <Symmetria> is a 6 core i7 3960K, with 128gigs of ram, and 6 x 3TB disks 
[11:25] <wilsonmc_> :O
[11:25] <Symmetria> with a gigE normal network card into it for normal network traffic, and a 10G fiber into a fiber switch thats connected to my 3 file servers
[11:25] <Symmetria> with each file server now having 6 x 4TB disks in them 
[11:26] <tal0n> thats a whole lot of Gb's
[11:26] <Symmetria> hehe I got asked the other day by someone "why on EARTH would you do this"
[11:26] <Symmetria> I replied "for the same reason I do anything, because I can" ;p
[11:26] <Symmetria> haha
[11:26] <wilsonmc_> "coz i can"
[11:26] <wilsonmc_> hahaha knew it
[11:27] <Symmetria> lol, think its also because this is kinda, my space, no one gets into my office, ever
[11:28] <Symmetria> lol my maid knows she's banned from my office and setting foot in there would get her fired ;p lol
[11:34] <tal0n> anybody know where i can get ubuntu stickers from locally? its going to cost me ±R160 if i buy it from the canonicle store which seems a bit excessive for a couple of stickers...
[11:35] <Kilos> there are links somewhere you can get them and print them or have them printed
[11:35] <Kilos> maybe Squirm remembers where
[11:36] <Kilos> and maia should still know
[11:37] <Symmetria> heh tal0n, the only really really cool thing on this setup
[11:37] <Kilos> tal0n, you can ask on the mailing list for the link to download them im sure
[11:37] <Symmetria> I have DSTV dual-view in here 
[11:37] <Kilos> someone will remember
[11:37] <tal0n> cool thanks Kilos 
[11:37] <Symmetria> and my monitors are setup through the amp so I can flip up dstv on any of them
[11:37] <Symmetria> and choose between the decoders
[11:37] <Symmetria> so I can have dstv on the main screen watching one football game, dstv on the secondary screen watching another football game, and have 3 screens left to work ;p
[11:37] <Symmetria> or split the dstv over all 5 ;p
[11:38] <tal0n> lol nice Symmetria 
[11:38] <Kilos> tal0n, look here http://www.bauer-power.net/2008/09/free-powered-by-ubuntu-stickers-get.html
[11:42] <tal0n> thanks Kilos ill look into it
[11:44] <Squirm> Kilos: tal0n, I haven't found any
[11:45] <Kilos> i remember someone wanted to have printed locally and he was given links on where to download them
[11:45] <Kilos> many months ago
[11:46] <Squirm> ok
[11:46] <Squirm> I wanted some
[11:46] <Squirm> quite a while back
[11:46] <Squirm> 2 or so years ago :P
[11:46] <Kilos> im sure they had printed for a release party or somethhing
[11:46] <Kilos> maybe queery
[11:46] <Kilos> i forget
[11:47] <Kilos> inetpro, will remember
[11:47]  * Kilos ducks
[11:48] <Squirm> you could easily print your own though
[11:48] <Squirm> buy labels
[11:48] <Squirm> and use glabels
[11:48] <Squirm> glables
[11:49] <Squirm> you can get the images off google images
[11:49] <tal0n> hmm thanks Squirm ill try that
[11:50] <Kilos> yeah its just getting the link for the pics
[11:50] <Kilos> maia even made some different ones i think
[11:50] <Squirm> http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs51/f/2009/278/4/5/ubuntu_stickers_by_Solo_Dev.jpg
[11:51] <Kilos> http://deviantdark.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-Stickers-63103968
[11:51] <Squirm> http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2068/2385289526_58b45c5514.jpg
[11:51] <Kilos> hehe
[11:51] <Squirm> you'd have to cut the latter, rounded images
[11:52] <tal0n> awesome. thanks!
[11:53] <Symmetria> there, finally, all done
[11:53] <Symmetria> got the cable from the dual view decoder upstairs down to my office 
[11:54] <Symmetria> now I can watch 2 football games at once while having 3 screens available to work ;p
[11:54] <Symmetria> signal splitters ftw 
[12:00] <bduk> Symmetria: must love football
[12:00] <Symmetria> bduk lol, Im a huge liverpool fan
[12:01] <bduk> No you won't see me there
[12:02] <bduk> Do liverpool play two games at once?
[12:02] <Symmetria> bduk haha no, but when you're watching other games to track where the league table is going 
[12:02] <Symmetria> its nice ;p
[12:02] <Symmetria> nothing better than watching liverpool winning while at the same time watching man united losing ;p
[12:02] <bduk> Just joking your sport is your sport
[12:50] <mazal> Enjoy your evening everyone
[12:50] <mazal> Cheers
[12:52] <Kilos> inetpro, ping
[12:52]  * Kilos thinks big storm coming
[12:53] <Kilos> wind might blow you off your bicycle
[13:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> ooooh is it bragging day today?
[13:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> can i play too?
[13:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> never mind..... i got nothing :-/
[13:15] <Kilos> hehe
[14:58] <Kilos> hi Private_User hows things
[15:01] <Private_User> Kilos, not too bad, your side
[15:01] <Kilos> good ty. did you get 12.04?
[15:02] <Private_User> nope gonna try and get it tonight did not manage to stay awake or wake up after 00:00
[15:02] <Kilos> haha you like me. i struggle with late nights
[15:03] <Private_User> how big a deifference is lubuntu from the dektop ubuntu?
[15:03] <Kilos> uses a differnt interface
[15:04] <Kilos> so no dash. lotsa guys prefer it
[15:04] <Kilos> i dont fancy the xfce interface
[15:04] <Private_User> is the interface the only difference?
[15:04] <Kilos> but it is more lightweight
[15:05] <Kilos> basically yes they use the same repos
[15:05] <Private_User> what about functionality will I be able to add some server functions as well?
[15:06] <Kilos> you can add what you like i think. what functions do you want to use
[15:06] <magespawn> Squirm, I think they all have websites
[15:06] <magespawn> sorry i have been out the office most of the afternoon
[15:06] <magespawn> no i am off home
[15:06] <Kilos> yo magespawn 
[15:06] <magespawn> hey Kilos 
[15:06] <Kilos> whats a very lightweight ubuntu
[15:07] <magespawn> i will be online later again 
[15:07] <magespawn> cheers
[15:07] <Kilos> Private_User, only has 500m ram and onboard graphics on a P4
[15:07] <Kilos> ok later then
[15:08] <Private_User> btw my ram is 512MB (2x256MB)
[15:08] <Kilos> oh ya 512m
[15:10] <Kilos> looks like lubuntu is the one but im not sure if it will be happy with 512m ram
[15:11] <Symmetria> heh, it will if you dont try and run any modern gui on it 
[15:12] <Symmetria> 512meg of ram = condemned to cli as far as Im concerned
[15:12] <Kilos> i also thought so
[15:12] <Kilos> worked kiff on server
[15:17] <Private_User> but I have read the min requirments is 384MB
[15:17] <Kilos> i couldnt get ubuntu installed with less than 640MB
[15:18] <Kilos> gui's are hungry things
[15:19] <Private_User> but then on this link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements it says 512MB is min
[15:19] <Private_User> oh well let me try the version 12 later
[15:20] <Private_User> and if that do not work maybe try lubuntu
[15:20] <Kilos> lubuntu is lighter and faster
[15:27] <Kilos> uh oh
[15:27] <Kilos> Maaz, tell inetpro on freenode ai! wat het jy nou gebreek
[15:27] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto, I'll tell inetpro on freenode
[15:31] <Kilos> thats the work servers down
[15:31] <Kilos> oh my
[15:31] <superfly> I used to run KDE on 512m RAM
[15:32] <superfly> people are crazy
[15:32] <Kilos> will 12.04 kde work then superfly 
[15:33] <superfly> Kilos: maybe. you'd probably need to turn off 3D effects
[15:33] <Kilos> Private_User, if you got the data to play with and can stay awake you can download kubuntu as well
[15:33] <Kilos> oh ya with shift+F12 hey
[15:33] <Kilos> inetpro, plustwo wb
[15:38] <Kilos> hmm... they battling
[15:39] <Kilos> oh no alt+F12
[15:39] <Kilos> one of them
[15:47] <tal0n> cheers all
[15:47] <Kilos> cheers tal0n 
[15:48] <Kilos> have a good night
[16:40] <Private_User> thanks Kilos will maybe try just busy trying to see what differences there are so far many say nothing major
[16:41] <Private_User> only interface and a few default packages
[17:48] <Private_User> hey guys does anybody know if my Nokia Internet stick from CellC will work on ubuntu or do I have to download software for it?
[17:49] <Private_User> I am using the Nokia CS19 internet stick
[18:10] <kbmonkey> hello
[18:23] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey 
[18:23] <Kilos> no software needed
[18:23] <Kilos> network manager should see it
[18:24] <Kilos> internet stick=usb modem right?
[18:27] <Tonberry> my cs19 works in 12.04
[18:28] <Private_User> yep
[18:28] <Private_User> so what up people
[18:31] <Private_User> anybody here know of any good free open-source wysiwig applications?
[18:31] <Private_User> for web development
[18:31] <Tonberry> for doing what?
[18:31] <Tonberry> no idea
[18:33] <Private_User> I have tried Kompozer but I recently downloaded S-soft HTML editor
[18:36] <Kilos> Maaz, google good free open source wysiwig apps
[18:36] <Maaz> Kilos: "List of HTML editors - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HTML_editors :: "Free WYSIWYG HTML Editors for Windows - Web Design - About.com" http://webdesign.about.com/od/htmleditors/tp/aatpfreewyswin.htm :: "Best Free WYSIWYG HTML Page Editor Review" http://www.godandscience.org/general/free_wsyiwyg_html_editors.html ::
[18:36] <Maaz> "CKEditor.com | The best web text editor for everyone" http://ckeditor.com/ :: "Top 10 Best…
[18:37] <Kilos> http://www.1stwebdesigner.com/design/10-best-wysiwyg-
[18:38] <Kilos> i dunno what wysiwig is anyway
[18:39] <Private_User> wysiwyg = What You See Is What You Get
[18:40] <Private_User> sorry I mis-spelt earlier
[18:42] <Private_User> cause I get tired of actually writing the HTML code want something that I can quickly create websites and then edit the code only if the application is not doing what I want it to do
[18:42] <Private_User> sorry I mean if the website not the application
[18:42] <Kilos> where you get free websites
[18:43] <Kilos> or hosts or whatever they are
[18:44] <Private_User> btw I found this site if you don't really have a creative mind like me http://all-free-download.com/free-website-templates/
[18:44] <Private_User> they have free templates
[18:45] <Private_User> you can download what you think might be simalair to a design you might want for the website then just tweak it your needs
[18:45] <Private_User> especially if you lazy like me
[18:45] <Private_User> LOL
[18:47] <Kilos> templates need a site too dont they
[18:47] <Kilos> where you get free sites
[18:49] <Private_User> there are a few out there hey but the domain name will be yourname.therename.com or something like that
[18:49] <Private_User> where theirname will be what their domain name is
[18:50] <Kilos> ya but arent they tiny, like only 500m or so
[18:50] <kbmonkey> oh hi Kilos 
[18:50] <Kilos> haha wakey wakey
[18:50] <Private_User> like wozaonline and also sites.google.com
[18:50] <Kilos> hows things kbmonkey ?
[18:50] <Kilos> free?
[18:51] <Private_User> yeah so these are just for people who want to advertise there business or maybe just start a blog of there own
[18:51] <Private_User> yep free
[18:51] <kbmonkey> fine kilos. on phone tonight, it is pretty slow.
[18:51] <Kilos> ill check them out ty. will need one soon
[18:52] <Kilos> fones suck on irc
[18:52] <Kilos> on everything except fone calls
[18:56] <kbmonkey> yup. I bough a ne domain
[18:56] <kbmonkey> *I bought a new domain
[18:57] <Kilos> where
[18:59] <kbmonkey> Once I figure out how to link it to web space :p
[18:59] <kbmonkey> eish
[18:59] <Kilos> haha
[18:59] <kbmonkey> keyboardmonkey.co.za
[18:59] <Kilos> i hate the internet at times
[19:00] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:00] <Kilos> what you gonna do with it now
[19:01] <kbmonkey> gonna put pictures of bananas
[19:01] <Kilos> lol
[19:02] <Private_User> lol
[19:04] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:04] <kbmonkey> gn kilose	
[19:04] <Kilos> bed time for ballies
[19:04] <Private_User> sleeping so early?
[19:04] <Kilos> haha
[19:04] <Private_User> what your night surfing?
[19:04] <Kilos> tell him kbmonkey 
[19:04] <Kilos> thats why i never get to use it
[19:05] <Kilos> once a month a force myself to stay awake and download an iso
[19:05] <kbmonkey> yes :]
[19:05] <kbmonkey> we ballies sleep early ;]
[19:05] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:05] <Private_User> you should get a download manager with a timer so at certain times of the day it will download
[19:05] <kbmonkey> why is your name Private_User , Private_User ?
[19:06] <Private_User> then set it to download during your nite surfer time
[19:06] <Private_User> LOL
[19:06] <Private_User> I could not figure out a good nick that I liked
[19:06] <kbmonkey> lol
[19:07] <kbmonkey> fair enough
[19:07] <Private_User> and I chose this a long time ago when I first got internet back when dial-up was what we had
[19:07] <Private_User> thought it would make me "anonymous"
[19:07] <Private_User> well that was the idea back in the day
[19:07] <Private_User> but now I kinda like it
[19:08] <Private_User> so how old are you guys to call yourselfs ballies
[19:08] <Private_User> I have friends who claim the same thing
[19:09] <Private_User> but thats just there excuse to go home early on a night out
[19:09] <Private_User> LOL
[19:09] <kbmonkey> I was pulling kilos's leg
[19:09] <Private_User> lol
[19:09] <Private_User> ok
[19:11] <Private_User> me I am waiting for after 00:00
[19:11] <Private_User> gonna use my off peak data
[19:11] <Private_User> ;)
[19:11] <kbmonkey> good idea!
[19:12] <kbmonkey> mine is finished already. so on the phone :P
[19:12] <Private_User> been having issues trying to install ubuntu 13.10 so gonna download 12.04 and try that if not lubuntu
[19:12] <kbmonkey> never had a modem. friends did though. it was great.
[19:13] <Private_User> yeah if I think about that time it felt quick but after using broadband you wonder how you managed with the dial up speed
[19:14] <Private_User> remember when I first started working and after using the company network went back home and use the dial-up I got frustrated after 5min and just disconnected
[19:14] <Private_User> LOL
[19:15] <Private_User> I miss the days of using the company T3 lines now I am using 3G
[19:16] <kbmonkey> I don't know. I get more done without fast internet.
[19:18] <Private_User> yeah but depends, fast capped internet or slow uncapped internet thats the choices we seem to have in ZA
[19:18] <Private_User> fast uncapped internet, prices seem to be rip offs in my opinion
[19:19] <Private_User> and they all have their acceptable usage policy
[19:19] <Private_User> I understand illegal activities but still...
[19:22] <Private_User> maybe people should get together and form something like the "free and open source software" for broadband/internet access
[19:22] <Private_User> mmm... that would be interesting
[19:24] <Private_User> I am wondering how it would work, unless there is such offerings if not maybe we should figure out how we would start and manage something like that
[19:26] <kbmonkey> you get wireless user groups. wan's of connect machines across suburbs.
[19:27] <kbmonkey> although spread and minimal, probably of the proliferation of commercial access
[19:28] <kbmonkey> I think this connection is pushing 10kb/s at the moment - phew
[19:28] <kbmonkey> just like the old days, eh? ;)
[19:30] <Private_User> lol
[19:31] <Private_User> are you using you landline or mobile phone?
[19:32] <kbmonkey> the phone. the 3g broadband is out of data for tonight.
[19:33] <Private_User> ok yeah all the capped solutions are not worth it cause we always finish them before the month ends
[19:34] <Private_User> my friend has uncapped and he does like on average 5GB a day
[19:34] <Private_User> he checked his stats on the service providers website
[19:34] <kbmonkey> that is disgusting. lol.
[19:36] <Private_User> and he has a 1mb line
[19:36] <kbmonkey> well I am off, some chores before the day ends. hope we talk again Private_User, thanks :]
[19:37] <Private_User> cool stuff kbmonkey later
[22:18] <Resu_Etavirp> brb