[03:13] <willie_> Got a quick question about Studio and copying files into usr/share in file manager. Anyone here give me a hand?
[12:49] <Ze_Force> hi, is it possible to use both the rt-kernel and fglrx drivers with UbuntuStudio ?
[12:50] <cfhowlett> rt kernel is mostly for audio concerns.  fglrx is graphics.  choose.
[12:50] <Ze_Force> is multimedia a futurist concept here ? ^^
[12:51] <cfhowlett> Ze_Force, no.  just trying to suggest a focus.   I see no reason why rt wouldn't run fglrx
[12:52] <Ze_Force> it is because the rt-patch used to prevent installation of the fglrx driver in the past
[12:53] <cfhowlett> easy to test ...
[12:54] <Ze_Force> I am on Sabayon (gentoo variant) right now
[12:54] <Ze_Force> considering switching to US
[13:04] <Ze_Force> what is the default desktop ?
[13:05] <cfhowlett> xfce4
[13:07] <Ze_Force> cool
[13:08] <cfhowlett> next version, 14.04 will be LTS.  I'd recommend you go with 12.04 and upgrade in April
[13:08] <Ze_Force> is it possible to change it for another desktop easily like it is possible with Ubuntu ?
[13:09] <cfhowlett> Ze_Force, ubuntustudio is ubuntu.   It's built on Xubuntu= ubuntu + xfce4.  switch destkop environments is easy
[13:09] <Ze_Force> fine
[13:10] <Ze_Force> Sabayon is a bitch
[13:10] <Ze_Force> gentoo was better
[14:59] <studio-user295> hola
[17:59] <ziggy> Hi. I have been using ardour for some time now and while it really seems to be promising, the fact that it crashes all the time (and corrupts sessions) is quite annoying. Is there a serious alternative?
[18:00] <ziggy> I don't like renoise, because I prefer playing unquantized midi notes and also use audio hardware. Rosegarden seems to be complicated (is it worth the effort?) and qtractor is unfinished...
[18:02] <holstein> ziggy: dosent crash for me
[18:02] <holstein> i would say, the serious alternative would be to troubleshoot your issues
[18:02] <holstein> i would relax the jack settings
[18:02] <holstein> ziggy: are you using an internal audio device?
[18:02] <ziggy> To avoid segmentation faults?
[18:03] <holstein> ziggy: i get no segmentation faults
[18:03] <ziggy> No, external usb interface
[18:03] <holstein> ziggy: i use a well supported firewire interface
[18:03] <ziggy> It literally gave me ~ 3 segmentation faults just today.
[18:03] <holstein> ziggy: i have a test i do. i run at 3ms latency 8 tracks recording and 24/96
[18:03] <ziggy> Using AVLinux
[18:03] <holstein> i do that overnight
[18:03] <holstein> i get no segmentation faults or xruns
[18:04] <holstein> ziggy: AVlinux is more of an appliance
[18:04] <holstein> ziggy: its not officially supported here, but if you are having issues with it, it could be due to upgrading it
[18:04] <holstein> ziggy: sounds to me like its driver related
[18:04] <holstein> ziggy: what would i do? test with another audio device, such as the internal audio card
[18:05] <holstein> ziggy: relax the jack settings are run with the internal card for a bit
[18:05] <holstein> ziggy: ubuntutsudio avlinux and ardour/JACK are quite stable
[18:06] <ziggy> So is there some alternative to ardour? I also don't like the midi editor that much, sometimes notes disappear when I draw them.
[18:07] <holstein> ziggy: there are many
[18:07] <holstein> ziggy: your problem is *not* wth ardour
[18:08] <holstein> ziggy: there is no problem like you mention inherent in ardour
[18:08] <holstein> ziggy: there is issues like that iherent with driver support
[18:08] <holstein> ziggy: test with another audio device
[18:08] <ziggy> Other audio applications do not give me these errors.
[18:09] <holstein> ziggy: they are likely not useing the resources the same
[18:09] <holstein> ziggy: no one has those issues with ardour.. they are not known bugs.. i do not have those issues with ardour.. i do have those issues with audio devies
[18:09] <holstein> devices*
[18:09] <holstein> ziggy: there are many DAWs.. renoise is a popular one for midi folk
[18:09] <ziggy> Well I congratulate you to that, but I do.
[18:10] <holstein> ziggy: sure.. but that doesnt make the issue and "ardour issue"
[18:10] <ziggy> And I am using AVLinux which is supposed to come pre-configured, isn't it?
[18:10] <holstein> ziggy: avlinux is an appliance.. it is not to be upgraded
[18:10] <holstein> ziggy: did you upgrade it?
[18:10] <ziggy> Only to the newsest ardour version.
[18:11] <holstein> ziggy: this is the ubunstudio channel.. try ubuntustudio 13.10 live
[18:11] <holstein> ziggy: i have no such crashes on AVlinux stock.. it is not intended to be upgraded
[18:11] <ziggy> Seriously man, I appreciate your efforts but I was only coming here to get some information about alternative daws.
[18:12] <holstein> ziggy: there are many.. renoise, as i said, is a popular one
[18:12] <holstein> ziggy: ardour is one of the best and well supported pieces of software for opensource in general
[18:13] <holstein> ziggy: you will not find anything more supported in audio, and not much in the larger FOSS ethos
[18:13] <ziggy> Ubuntu Studio comes with the RT kernel enabled by default, right?
[18:13] <holstein> ziggy: *nothing* has an RT kernel anymore
[18:13] <holstein> ziggy: we have a lowlatency kernel by default that performs quite well
[18:13] <ziggy> Oh, I don't care whether it's open source. I'd even say that's become a label of unfinished and unintuitive software most of the time.
[18:14] <holstein> ziggy: renoise is not open.. and i didnt assume you cared, which is why i suggested it
[18:14] <ziggy> Ok, thank you. I have an installation disc sitting right next to me. Will try that next week.
[18:14] <holstein> ziggy: i dont and didnt suggest installing anything
[18:14] <holstein> ziggy: try the latest ubunustudio 13.10 live without installing
[18:15] <ziggy> Renoise is installed in AVLinux by default. As I have stated, I like to not use quantized midi tracks. REnoise aims for a type of computer generated music that I don't want to make.
[18:15] <holstein> ziggy: renoise is one of the other larger and well supported DAWs
[18:15] <holstein> ziggy: qtractor, rosegarden. there are many
[18:15] <holstein> nondaw
[18:16] <holstein> ardour is the major one with support that folks prefer on linux
[18:16] <holstein> im sure you can untick a "quantize" button in renoise..
[18:17] <ziggy> YES! But of course you can!
[18:17] <ziggy> The thing is, this program is built around a workflow to generate a genre of music which I do ... not... like...
[18:17] <ziggy> Christ, gimme a chance to answer.
[18:18] <holstein> ziggy: ?
[18:18] <ziggy> You can even record classical music with renoise. But people strangely don't do it.
[18:18] <holstein> ziggy: i do not mean to be abrasive and i assure you im not removing any chance from you to answer.. cheers
[18:19] <holstein> ziggy: im only offering to you big, well supported, well known, and stable options
[18:19] <ziggy> Thank you for your efforts.
[18:19] <holstein> ziggy: the ardour issue is not even on this operating system. and AVlinux is not intended to upgrade, or install ardour into it.. its an appliance, and its not supported or created anymore
[18:19] <ziggy> Was just checking whether there was something I might have missed.
[18:20] <holstein> ziggy: there are many in the ubuntu and debian repositories.. you can always check with kxstudio or #opensourcemusicians and see if someone shares your workflow
[18:20] <ziggy> Ubuntu Studio is off-putting because it comes with this shiny annoying shell that eats up my CPU performance and I want something that just works (TM) without having to configure shit for a week or so, hence AVLinux.
[18:20] <holstein> ziggy: this is not the avlinux support channel
[18:21] <holstein> ziggy: there is a reason you are here, and i suggest trying the ubuntustudio 13.10 live.. it has none of those "issues" for me
[18:21] <ziggy> And... here it comes again: I know. I was trying to get suggestions regarding some DAW other than ardour and figured I could ask here.
[18:22] <holstein> ziggy: you did, and i did.. cheers.. avlinux is not created any longer
[18:23] <ziggy> Now that is not entirely true, you see the latest version was released ... approx. 3 months ago.
[18:23] <holstein> ziggy: the developer told me there would be no more releases, and i have seen none..
[18:25] <ziggy> I am very confident that the latest version is just about 3 months old.
[18:25] <holstein> ziggy: the most recent effort lists as a "beta"
[18:25] <holstein> ziggy: its not a release though.. its a beta, and you are having issues.. and its not officially release.. and i was told my the developer there would be no more releases
[18:26] <holstein> ziggy: i use it.. and i like it.. but i dont run beta software in production.. and i dont have any issues with ardour as you report
[18:26] <ziggy> Thank god I still have this copy of Ubuntu Studio floating around
[18:35] <ziggy> Ubuntu Studio it shall be.
[18:35] <ziggy> good night.
[23:07] <paulo_> ola