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cpatrick08kwin is not running on updated kubuntu 13.10 no ppas added. When I run kwin --replace in konsle I get following error message kwin: error while loading shared libraries: libwayland-egl.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory00:36
cpatrick08kwin is not running on updated kubuntu 13.10 no ppas added. When I run kwin --replace in konsle I get following error message kwin: error while loading shared libraries: libwayland-egl.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory00:40
MangaKaDenzagot a bit of a00:49
MangaKaDenzalegal question here00:49
MangaKaDenzaSo, I want to make my own distro, and using Kubuntu, I want to use it as a base...00:50
MangaKaDenzaSo... would that be legal... to like... use kubuntu and such for a base, and then market it as a different distro00:50
MangaKaDenza(based on kubuntu)00:50
jackMangaKaDenza, most probably yes01:11
jackunless you demand zillions for a copy....01:12
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MangaKaDenzanah01:12
MangaKaDenzathat isn't profitable anymore01:12
MangaKaDenzamore like01:12
jack:)01:12
MangaKaDenzaNormal edition : free - .99 cents01:12
goodtimeit's leagle probly because its all open sourse01:12
MangaKaDenzaPremium maybe $501:12
jacksounds good01:12
MangaKaDenzaand... Supermegaultrafudgesauceversion:$1001:13
goodtimeheh01:13
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valorieMangaKaDenza: as long as you don't try to pretend that you created everything; in other words, you leave the copyright files in place01:32
MangaKaDenzajes01:32
valorieselling media is always ok01:32
MangaKaDenzaI'll say "based on kubububububntu"01:32
valorieyou aren't really selling Kubuntu, but the work you put into skinning and distributing it01:32
MangaKaDenzawell... not just skinning...01:33
valoriewell, please give proper attribution01:33
MangaKaDenzabut I <3 KDE01:33
MangaKaDenzaplus the plasma widget thingies01:33
MangaKaDenzaso... I'mma modify some of the code01:33
MangaKaDenzathrow in some new things01:33
MangaKaDenzaetc01:33
valoriehttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-March/016617.html01:34
valoriegives you the links that you probably already have read01:34
valorieoh, actually that's really old01:35
valoriebut in essentials, nothing has changed01:35
valorieyou can look at Netrunner to see how it's done by them01:35
arthurfiggishello :) does anyone know of a way that i could configure usb devices in kubuntu (13.10) to not auto-suspend into power savings mode? i've noticed that with a wired mouse i have no issues but with a wireless mouse the auto-suspend actually cuts in regardless of when the mouse is being moved sometimes :(02:03
szxkwin(8139): Compositing is not possible <- what does this mean?02:18
arthurfiggisszx: well...without much more information to go on than that, what it probably means is that kwin tried to enable fancy opengl-based desktop effects, for some reason failed, so it continued on without them :) it's nothing to worry about unless you need said fancy effects!02:39
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Gregor3000hello, is this bug still there upon upgrade: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-nm/+bug/1231360 and what does it actually do?07:50
ubottuUbuntu bug 1231360 in plasma-nm (Ubuntu) "crash on upgrade from networkmanagement to plasma-nm" [Undecided,Confirmed]07:50
valorieGregor3000: I wasn't bit by that07:51
valorienot many people are, so we're thinking it's only some hardware that triggers it07:52
Gregor3000ah. so it's hardware related. hmm... and a si understand it only happens on upgrade but not fresh install?07:52
valorieof that, I'm not sure08:05
valorieI haven't heard of problems, but I haven't searched the bug tracker either08:06
Gregor3000ok. well i will then just cross my fingers and see what happens. but first i need to try it live. thanks for the support.08:10
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lordievaderGood morning.08:57
FloodBotK1!netsplit08:58
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MangaKaDenzahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daybRF2pcmA09:51
MangaKaDenzaeer09:51
MangaKaDenzawrong chan09:51
FloodBotK1MangaKaDenza: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.09:51
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ethanghey folks - anybody else having trouble with muon update manager after upgrading to 13.1010:25
ethang?10:25
ClamZervnope10:26
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ethangClamZerv: it freezes when getting software list10:26
ClamZervodd10:27
ClamZervethang, just do it in konsole then10:27
lordievaderethang: Can you update the repo's with "sudo apt-get update"?10:27
ethangClamZerv: I did update & uopgrade and it didn't update anything so I'm assuming I'm up to date.10:28
ethang*upgrade10:28
lordievaderethang: Apt-get works like normal? Could you file a bug against Muon?10:29
ethanglordievader: apt-get seems to work fine.  I could file a bug.  I have no objection in principle to doing so.10:30
ethangI'll check to see if there are any current bugs covering this and file one if not - thanks guys10:32
lordievaderethang: Thank you :)10:32
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BluesKajHey folks11:21
Avihayhello11:23
lordievaderHey Avihay, BluesKaj. How are you both?11:24
BluesKajhi lordievader , fine thanks , and you?11:25
lordievaderDoing good :)11:25
Avihaytrying to find newer version of ktp for 12.0411:26
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silv3r_m00nhi there12:31
silv3r_m00ni upgraded from kubuntu 13.04 to 13.10 and now i am unable to drag a window on the taskbar to another desktop in the pager12:31
silv3r_m00nwhy ?12:31
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wolfgang_i learn java and i need help can who help me?13:34
lordievaderwolfgang_: I guess you would be better off in ##java.13:35
lordievaderwolfgang_: Or else see alis: /msg alis list *java*13:35
wolfgang_okay13:36
MangaKaDenzaguise14:27
MangaKaDenzahow would I get the source for the full kde package14:27
MangaKaDenzalike kubuntu-desktop + all the other kde goodies14:27
lordievaderMangaKaDenza: You either want kubuntu-full or kde-full.14:28
MangaKaDenzawhich one gives me more stuff14:28
BluesKajhttp://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekubuntu , MangaKaDenza14:29
lordievaderMangaKaDenza: Wouldn't know, never installed either of them.14:29
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frank67Hi, I'm on Kubuntu 13.10 amd64 port, I'm not able to get OpenGL working setting it in Desktop Effect panel. Whatever version I try 3.1 2.0 1.2 it fails to enable and "glxinfo | grep render" command seems to me report the right driver loaded... Is it a known issue? TIA14:48
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BluesKajfrank67. the opengl requires an opengl /direct rendering driver , which driver are you using ?14:58
BluesKajdirect rendering capable driver , that is14:59
frank67I'm using radeon on Debian Wheezy all works fine15:00
BluesKajare you using raster or native in qt graphics , frank67 ?15:04
frank67I tried both but still it doesn't work15:06
BluesKajalso check in kmenua.apps>system, for available  additional drivers , frank67 ...not used ati graphics in a while so I'm not sure whether additional drivers are an option15:07
frank67Sorry I don't understand where should I try to looking for :(15:10
thingol_hi everyone, my trouble is when i shutdown my kubuntu box it saves the hardware clock time as if it were UTC, while it is set to local time. What can i do to correct such a behaviour ?15:11
BluesKajkmenu.apps>system, additional drivers , but they may not be available for ati graphics15:12
BluesKajfrank67.^15:13
frank67BluesKaj: Ok tnx anyway15:14
BluesKajthingol_. do you have the date and time being set automatically in the clock settings "adjust date and time "15:15
thingol_BluesKaj: how can i check ?15:17
BluesKajright click on the panel clock15:19
BluesKajthingol_. i don't use the automatic setting , I let the clock use my local settings in "digital clock settings"15:23
thingol_BluesKaj: as far as i can tell there's no automatic time and date setting15:25
BluesKajthingol_. , not this ? http://i.imgur.com/jQ02vr5.png15:27
thingol_BluesKaj: exactly like your screenshot15:29
BluesKajthen look at the autmatic option in the date and time tab15:29
BluesKajis it checked ?15:29
thingol_BluesKaj: nope, it is not. Looks to me like it's some kind of trouble with hwclock service15:30
MangaKaDenzahmm15:33
BluesKajmake sure utc isn't checked  in the adjust date and time , then choose your time zone and apply ,th'15:34
BluesKaj]th^15:34
BluesKajthingol_.^15:35
MangaKaDenzaSo, I want to download the source... for kubuntu-full15:35
MangaKaDenzabut when I do sudo apt-get -d source kubuntu-full it gives me a tiny file15:36
MangaKaDenzawhich is obviously not kubuntu full15:36
BluesKajnever used kubuntu-full , installs all kinds of stuff I don't want15:36
MangaKaDenzawell...15:36
MangaKaDenzahow would I get the source for kubuntu then15:36
BluesKajMangaKaDenza. sudo apt-get install kubuntu-full15:38
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* MangaKaDenza palmface15:38
MangaKaDenzathe source15:38
BluesKajhehe15:38
BluesKaj'it's already in the default repos15:38
lordievaderMangaKaDenza: sudo apt-get source kubuntu-full ?15:39
MangaKaDenza1sec15:39
BluesKajMangaKaDenza. don'y forget "install"15:39
MangaKaDenzaBluesKaj, shtap15:40
BluesKajer don't15:40
lordievaderMangaKaDenza: Could very well be that kubuntu-full is another meta package, so the source could be just a debian/control file.15:40
MangaKaDenzaurgh15:41
MangaKaDenzasay... what folder would it go in normally15:41
ricky_D:15:42
BluesKajlordievader. it's in muon15:42
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BluesKajThis package depends on all of the packages in the Kubuntu DVD for a very complete system. Installing this package will include much more than the default Kubuntu Plasma Desktop or Netbook installation.15:42
BluesKajIt is safe to remove this package if some of the packages are not desired.15:42
MangaKaDenzalordievader, what folder....15:42
MangaKaDenzabut what folder!15:43
MangaKaDenzawould it go in15:43
lordievaderMangaKaDenza: I'm not sure what folder you are talking about? The debian/control thing I mentioned? That is inside the package.15:43
MangaKaDenzanono...15:44
MangaKaDenzaso I did sudo apt-get source kubuntu-full15:44
MangaKaDenzaso what folder would that go in15:44
lordievaderMangaKaDenza: From the man page: It will then find and download into the current directory15:45
MangaKaDenzawut15:45
MangaKaDenza...still lost15:46
BluesKajyeah , well read my post above to in stall  ,there's no need to download it to afolder because it already exists in te universe repos15:48
lordievaderMangaKaDenza: Jup bunch of dependencies. After you ran "apt-get source" there should be a folder named kubuntu-meta-1.291 in your cwd.15:50
lordievaderBluesKaj: Sometimes you want to check out a package before installing ;)15:50
BluesKajlordievader. he said he wanted them all ,15:50
MangaKaDenzacwd ?15:51
lordievaderBluesKaj: Ah, didn't get that.15:51
yoyoWhatever working directory you are in when you run that command will download it into that folder. Your current directory can be determined by typing:  pwd15:51
lordievaderMangaKaDenza: Current working dir.15:51
MangaKaDenzaahhh15:51
MangaKaDenzaso the working dir was /15:53
MangaKaDenzabut... I can't find it15:53
lordievaderMangaKaDenza: Normal users cannot write there. So if you didn't use sudo it probably got an error.15:54
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MangaKaDenzai was root15:54
MangaKaDenzaoh dear16:06
MangaKaDenzait seems I removed the universe source16:06
MangaKaDenzahow do I put that back in16:06
MangaKaDenzavia terminal16:06
MangaKaDenzaand multiverse while I'm at it16:06
MangaKaDenzahello?16:09
MangaKaDenzahello?16:11
toamsedit /etc/apt/sources.list16:17
MangaKaDenzatoams, are the ubuntu repos the same as the kubuntu ones16:21
toamsnot sure, i think so since my sources point to ubuntu.com16:23
lordievaderMangaKaDenza: Yes. We use the same repo's.16:23
MangaKaDenzaoic16:24
toamsis anyone here also having problems with the muon updater?16:26
toamsit says updates avaible but when i click on it it says system up to date16:27
lordievadertoams: What does apt have to say about it?16:28
toamsapt says system not up to date, apt-get upgrade installs a few upgrades16:29
toamsnot a big problem, but a little annoying16:31
lordievadertoams: Then it is a bug with Muon, could you file a bug please?16:31
toamsin kubuntu or kde?16:31
lordievadertoams: In launchpad, so Kubuntu.16:32
toamsfound my problem mentioned in this bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/+bug/124380716:35
ubottuUbuntu bug 1243807 in muon (Ubuntu Trusty) "[SRU] Update Muon to 2.1.0" [Undecided,Fix released]16:35
lordievadertoams: Ah, then there is no need to report it again. You could confirm the bug though.16:38
StravHe. I'm having some issues in making kde recognize (and prioritize) by usb headset when it's connected, can anyone help?16:39
MangaKaDenzawhat16:40
MangaKaDenzathis is weird16:41
MangaKaDenzaso...16:41
MangaKaDenzaI want to remove xubuntu-desktop16:41
mokushhave you guys seem that mgreslin's g+ post is at the top of hackernews? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=665391416:41
MangaKaDenzabut when i apt-get remove xubuntu-desktop , it says its a file of around 31;216:41
cerMangaKaDenza: because you are only removing the meta package not the whole desktop .... :)16:54
BluesKajmost of his needs have already been pointed out and explained ,but he seems reluctant to follow our suggestions , cer17:00
cerBluesKaj: thanks17:02
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SkapiNhi there17:14
cerSkapiN: hi!17:43
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sheytanSo, hello then! :)18:52
sheytanDoes any body know if I can use nvidia Optimus already on 13.10?18:52
searchfgoldAre there any Easter Eggs that are specific to Kubuntu?18:55
BluesKajdoubt it , Kubuntu is mostly up front with their apps afaik19:00
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geniiSort of reminds me of https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7233119:02
ubottuKDE bug 72331 in general "kde needs 'easter eggs'" [Wishlist,Resolved: wontfix]19:02
searchfgoldToo bad, perhaps a more respectful feature request would have gotten something other than a very blunt WONTFIX.19:05
keithzgI'm sure the KDE maintainers would be amenable to a patch or two that added an easter egg, though.19:08
keithzgOr one could just write a plasmoid or such that did something hidden but fun.19:08
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* genii ponders apt-get muon ...er, moo19:14
keithzgSuper cow powers!19:19
MangaKaDenzaMOOOOO19:19
MangaKaDenzabut srsly19:20
MangaKaDenzawtf does that mean19:20
keithzgAt risk of automated flooding protection beating me down,19:20
keithzg         (__)19:21
keithzg         (oo)19:21
keithzg   /------\/19:21
keithzg  / |    ||19:21
keithzg *  /\---/\19:21
FloodBotK1keithzg: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.19:21
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MangaKaDenza:>19:21
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keithzgHelp, help, I'm being repressed!19:22
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[Relic]Is there a list of problems caused by version upgrade; like ksysguard not having and sensors listed to add to tabs?20:44
tompserhello, I'm having problems with the muon updater in kubuntu 13.10, in 13.04 I got muon 2.0.1 and it works just fine, systray pops up when there's updates and I just click it un upgrade, but with muon 2.1.0 nothing pops up and when there's available updates muon just says my system is up to date, but apt-get find upgrades20:55
tompserhow come?20:55
valorietompser: known issue; fix in the works20:56
tompserok, tried googling, looking forums and mailing list but all it said was to upgrade muon to 2.1.020:57
valorieyou can just use apt-get until you download the fix as part of updates20:57
valorie:-)20:57
valoriesee https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/+bug/124380720:57
ubottuUbuntu bug 1243807 in muon (Ubuntu Trusty) "[SRU] Update Muon to 2.1.0" [Undecided,Fix released]20:57
valorieyou can confirm if you like, but fix is released, it says20:58
tompserok20:58
tompserthanks :)20:58
tompserswitched from slackware to kubuntu to get rid of all the poping up terminals and fixing things with a lot of typing to get a modern feel of the system so I got a little dissapointed when the updater didn't work from start :P20:59
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tompserstill I feel like a sucker for complaining about it though, since it's open software I reckon I should put some time and effort in it to get it to work instead of being nagging, but it's a bit annoying I have to say :D21:01
valoriewell, somehow that bit of code wasn't properly tested I guess21:04
seregayandex.ru21:07
tompseryeah, just feeling that kubuntu, and linux distros in general, is starting to get really polished and clean to get some public attention with the "year of the linux on the dekstop" that's been in the talking for years finally can be a reality21:09
tompserso if all those small things that a person used to linux systems don't really mind can get cleaned up, this show will really be able to get on the road so to speak21:10
valorienext release is LTS, so the next few months will be spent (I hope) polishing21:10
valorieand testing21:10
MangaKaDenzablargh21:10
MangaKaDenzaI still21:10
MangaKaDenzacannot find21:10
MangaKaDenzathe source21:11
MangaKaDenzafor kubuntu21:11
FloodBotK1MangaKaDenza: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.21:11
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valorietompser: when you find a little problem, please file a bug21:11
valorieit is esp. important this round to get things working well21:11
valorieas I recall, this release will be supported for many years21:12
valorieMangaKaDenza: the source for kubuntu?21:12
valoriethere are many sources21:12
tompserthat's probably something to consider valorie, LTS is the thing to go for when looking for a solid experience i guess21:12
MangaKaDenzaya21:12
valorieone per application21:12
MangaKaDenzathe source code21:12
MangaKaDenzaall of it21:12
MangaKaDenzafor kubuntu-full21:12
tompsermaybe it's a bit dumb to come flaming about instability when just installing bleeding edge kubuntu instead of lts :D21:13
valorieturn on sources in your repos list21:13
BluesKajthe /etc/apt/sources.list , MangaKaDenza21:13
MangaKaDenza1sec21:13
valorieand apt-get update && apt-get upgrade21:13
BluesKajgawd21:13
robert___Hi21:13
valorietompser: you weren't flaming, just grumbling a bit21:14
valoriethat's OK as long as you file bugs21:14
valorieand work with the devels to get them fixed21:14
robert___maybe somebody had a problem with drivers for NVS 4200M?21:17
BluesKajrobert___. don't quote model numbers without the manufacturer please21:19
tompserI guess that's true valorie21:19
MangaKaDenzahuh21:19
MangaKaDenzaguys, I'm having a bit of a weird thing21:19
MangaKaDenzaso I type in apt-get remove xubuntu-desktop21:19
tompseron the same topic I'm leaning on though, for some discussion, what do you people think of this linux on the dekstop thing nowadays?21:19
tompseris it ready to get some momentum?21:20
MangaKaDenzaand I expect that the files would be a few megabytes, but instead I get21:20
MangaKaDenza  xubuntu-desktop21:20
MangaKaDenza0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.21:20
MangaKaDenzaAfter this operation, 45.1 kB disk space will be freed.21:20
MangaKaDenzaDo you want to continue [Y/n]? n21:20
FloodBotK1MangaKaDenza: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.21:20
tompseris it comparable with windows and os x on that front?21:20
tompserI'm thinking of things like openoffice/libreoffice, steam for linux and other things that can make the big difference21:21
tompseras well as all those small things, like graphic upgrader, splash screen on bootup and such21:22
tompserwill it ever be in the competition or will stuff like android completely take over the linux desktop from the more traditional computer os?21:23
robert___its nvidia graphics card21:23
robert___i have thinkpad laptop with optimus system on the board21:24
robert___OS kubuntu 12.0421:24
robert___and when i switch on discrete graphics card (nvidia) i have a problem with turn on laptop21:25
robert___sometimes can sometimes cant21:26
BluesKajrobert___. try the bumblebee-nvidia driver21:26
BluesKaji have to go ....it's been a long day21:27
robert___i heard about that  but im afraid..21:27
robert___its working good?21:27
robert___with intel graphic card..everything is good but sometimes have to switch to nvidia beacouse of display port21:29
robert___i have restricted drivers from nvidia installed..but i think that is problem w ACPI21:30
valorietompser:21:31
valorieoops, for the return: I've been using linux on desktop for well over 10 years21:31
robert___i cant suspend system or hibernate beacause its not possible to return21:31
valorieI can't imagine using android instead21:31
valorieit SUCKS21:31
valorieI've heard that the newest windows is sort of good21:32
valorielooks really bad to ME21:32
Addlehehe I like Android, but not on a desktop or laptop.21:32
valorieit's crap on my phone, but I need a new phone21:32
valorieso I'll withhold judgement21:32
tompserI totally agree with that and I'm a desktop user of linux, but I'm interested in it so I'm also thinking about the widespread use, when it might be picked up by those people who doesn't really use a computer with passion, and when it might get picked up for use by corporations in everyday business use and things like that21:34
tompsermaybe it only needs oem support and get bundled with new computers, or do you think that the os itself has some maturing to do before it might be able?21:34
valoriewhen the companies like canonical get more contracts for linux-on-desktop for new computers21:35
valorieno, you've pegged it21:35
AddlePre-installed would be good, yes. And as long as the drivers are all there and good for your hardware, it usually works fine anyways.21:35
valoriepeople who have struggled through installing Windows think that's how it's gotta be21:35
valoriethey never want to do that again21:35
valorietherefore, most will not wipe Windows and put on a linux21:36
valorieonce they learn how easy it is, that can change21:36
valoriemost people don't want to learn that, and why should they?21:36
valorieshould just help people get their work and entertainment done21:37
valorielike a toaster making toast21:37
valoriesure, you have to clean out crumbs occasionally, but otherwise it should Just Work21:37
SkapiNhi everybody. I have some trouble with my LCD 12" monitor. Works well with windows, but ugly color/shade/refrehing with linux. i950 intel driver, 1240*7xx resolt, 60hz. I changed the depth color but nothing better. No specific output on xorg log.... I dont know which way to take ... Alp...Plaz21:39
SkapiN915 soz*21:43
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msxhello all, what's the user passwd in the Live session?22:08
wxlubuntu if i remember correctly msx22:20
Unit193Username should be 'kubuntu', password should actually be blank.22:20
msxwxl: hey, thanks, already figured it out, it's just blank22:20
* wxl shrugs22:20
msxexactly22:20
msxthanks folks!22:20
wxlUnit193: you should make that a factoid22:21
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[Relic]so is there anyway to get ksysguard to see the sensors list in 13.10?23:49
[Relic]I see, nice how it is hidden without any icon or arrow showing something there23:53

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