[00:36] <cpatrick08> kwin is not running on updated kubuntu 13.10 no ppas added. When I run kwin --replace in konsle I get following error message kwin: error while loading shared libraries: libwayland-egl.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[00:40] <cpatrick08> kwin is not running on updated kubuntu 13.10 no ppas added. When I run kwin --replace in konsle I get following error message kwin: error while loading shared libraries: libwayland-egl.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[00:49] <MangaKaDenza> got a bit of a
[00:49] <MangaKaDenza> legal question here
[00:50] <MangaKaDenza> So, I want to make my own distro, and using Kubuntu, I want to use it as a base...
[00:50] <MangaKaDenza> So... would that be legal... to like... use kubuntu and such for a base, and then market it as a different distro
[00:50] <MangaKaDenza> (based on kubuntu)
[01:11] <jack> MangaKaDenza, most probably yes
[01:12] <jack> unless you demand zillions for a copy....
[01:12] <MangaKaDenza> nah
[01:12] <MangaKaDenza> that isn't profitable anymore
[01:12] <MangaKaDenza> more like
[01:12] <jack> :)
[01:12] <MangaKaDenza> Normal edition : free - .99 cents
[01:12] <goodtime> it's leagle probly because its all open sourse
[01:12] <MangaKaDenza> Premium maybe $5
[01:12] <jack> sounds good
[01:13] <MangaKaDenza> and... Supermegaultrafudgesauceversion:$10
[01:13] <goodtime> heh
[01:32] <valorie> MangaKaDenza: as long as you don't try to pretend that you created everything; in other words, you leave the copyright files in place
[01:32] <MangaKaDenza> jes
[01:32] <valorie> selling media is always ok
[01:32] <MangaKaDenza> I'll say "based on kubububububntu"
[01:32] <valorie> you aren't really selling Kubuntu, but the work you put into skinning and distributing it
[01:33] <MangaKaDenza> well... not just skinning...
[01:33] <valorie> well, please give proper attribution
[01:33] <MangaKaDenza> but I <3 KDE
[01:33] <MangaKaDenza> plus the plasma widget thingies
[01:33] <MangaKaDenza> so... I'mma modify some of the code
[01:33] <MangaKaDenza> throw in some new things
[01:33] <MangaKaDenza> etc
[01:34] <valorie> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-March/016617.html
[01:34] <valorie> gives you the links that you probably already have read
[01:35] <valorie> oh, actually that's really old
[01:35] <valorie> but in essentials, nothing has changed
[01:35] <valorie> you can look at Netrunner to see how it's done by them
[02:03] <arthurfiggis> hello :) does anyone know of a way that i could configure usb devices in kubuntu (13.10) to not auto-suspend into power savings mode? i've noticed that with a wired mouse i have no issues but with a wireless mouse the auto-suspend actually cuts in regardless of when the mouse is being moved sometimes :(
[02:18] <szx> kwin(8139): Compositing is not possible <- what does this mean?
[02:39] <arthurfiggis> szx: well...without much more information to go on than that, what it probably means is that kwin tried to enable fancy opengl-based desktop effects, for some reason failed, so it continued on without them :) it's nothing to worry about unless you need said fancy effects!
[07:50] <Gregor3000> hello, is this bug still there upon upgrade: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-nm/+bug/1231360 and what does it actually do?
[07:51] <valorie> Gregor3000: I wasn't bit by that
[07:52] <valorie> not many people are, so we're thinking it's only some hardware that triggers it
[07:52] <Gregor3000> ah. so it's hardware related. hmm... and a si understand it only happens on upgrade but not fresh install?
[08:05] <valorie> of that, I'm not sure
[08:06] <valorie> I haven't heard of problems, but I haven't searched the bug tracker either
[08:10] <Gregor3000> ok. well i will then just cross my fingers and see what happens. but first i need to try it live. thanks for the support.
[08:57] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:58] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[09:51] <MangaKaDenza> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daybRF2pcmA
[09:51] <MangaKaDenza> eer
[09:51] <MangaKaDenza> wrong chan
[09:51] <FloodBotK1> MangaKaDenza: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:25] <ethang> hey folks - anybody else having trouble with muon update manager after upgrading to 13.10
[10:25] <ethang> ?
[10:26] <ClamZerv> nope
[10:26] <ethang> ClamZerv: it freezes when getting software list
[10:27] <ClamZerv> odd
[10:27] <ClamZerv> ethang, just do it in konsole then
[10:27] <lordievader> ethang: Can you update the repo's with "sudo apt-get update"?
[10:28] <ethang> ClamZerv: I did update & uopgrade and it didn't update anything so I'm assuming I'm up to date.
[10:28] <ethang> *upgrade
[10:29] <lordievader> ethang: Apt-get works like normal? Could you file a bug against Muon?
[10:30] <ethang> lordievader: apt-get seems to work fine.  I could file a bug.  I have no objection in principle to doing so.
[10:32] <ethang> I'll check to see if there are any current bugs covering this and file one if not - thanks guys
[10:32] <lordievader> ethang: Thank you :)
[11:21] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:23] <Avihay> hello
[11:24] <lordievader> Hey Avihay, BluesKaj. How are you both?
[11:25] <BluesKaj> hi lordievader , fine thanks , and you?
[11:25] <lordievader> Doing good :)
[11:26] <Avihay> trying to find newer version of ktp for 12.04
[12:31] <silv3r_m00n> hi there
[12:31] <silv3r_m00n> i upgraded from kubuntu 13.04 to 13.10 and now i am unable to drag a window on the taskbar to another desktop in the pager
[12:31] <silv3r_m00n> why ?
[13:34] <wolfgang_> i learn java and i need help can who help me?
[13:35] <lordievader> wolfgang_: I guess you would be better off in ##java.
[13:35] <lordievader> wolfgang_: Or else see alis: /msg alis list *java*
[13:36] <wolfgang_> okay
[14:27] <MangaKaDenza> guise
[14:27] <MangaKaDenza> how would I get the source for the full kde package
[14:27] <MangaKaDenza> like kubuntu-desktop + all the other kde goodies
[14:28] <lordievader> MangaKaDenza: You either want kubuntu-full or kde-full.
[14:28] <MangaKaDenza> which one gives me more stuff
[14:29] <BluesKaj> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekubuntu , MangaKaDenza
[14:29] <lordievader> MangaKaDenza: Wouldn't know, never installed either of them.
[14:48] <frank67> Hi, I'm on Kubuntu 13.10 amd64 port, I'm not able to get OpenGL working setting it in Desktop Effect panel. Whatever version I try 3.1 2.0 1.2 it fails to enable and "glxinfo | grep render" command seems to me report the right driver loaded... Is it a known issue? TIA
[14:58] <BluesKaj> frank67. the opengl requires an opengl /direct rendering driver , which driver are you using ?
[14:59] <BluesKaj> direct rendering capable driver , that is
[15:00] <frank67> I'm using radeon on Debian Wheezy all works fine
[15:04] <BluesKaj> are you using raster or native in qt graphics , frank67 ?
[15:06] <frank67> I tried both but still it doesn't work
[15:07] <BluesKaj> also check in kmenua.apps>system, for available  additional drivers , frank67 ...not used ati graphics in a while so I'm not sure whether additional drivers are an option
[15:10] <frank67> Sorry I don't understand where should I try to looking for :(
[15:11] <thingol_> hi everyone, my trouble is when i shutdown my kubuntu box it saves the hardware clock time as if it were UTC, while it is set to local time. What can i do to correct such a behaviour ?
[15:12] <BluesKaj> kmenu.apps>system, additional drivers , but they may not be available for ati graphics
[15:13] <BluesKaj> frank67.^
[15:14] <frank67> BluesKaj: Ok tnx anyway
[15:15] <BluesKaj> thingol_. do you have the date and time being set automatically in the clock settings "adjust date and time "
[15:17] <thingol_> BluesKaj: how can i check ?
[15:19] <BluesKaj> right click on the panel clock
[15:23] <BluesKaj> thingol_. i don't use the automatic setting , I let the clock use my local settings in "digital clock settings"
[15:25] <thingol_> BluesKaj: as far as i can tell there's no automatic time and date setting
[15:27] <BluesKaj> thingol_. , not this ? http://i.imgur.com/jQ02vr5.png
[15:29] <thingol_> BluesKaj: exactly like your screenshot
[15:29] <BluesKaj> then look at the autmatic option in the date and time tab
[15:29] <BluesKaj> is it checked ?
[15:30] <thingol_> BluesKaj: nope, it is not. Looks to me like it's some kind of trouble with hwclock service
[15:33] <MangaKaDenza> hmm
[15:34] <BluesKaj> make sure utc isn't checked  in the adjust date and time , then choose your time zone and apply ,th'
[15:34] <BluesKaj> ]th^
[15:35] <BluesKaj> thingol_.^
[15:35] <MangaKaDenza> So, I want to download the source... for kubuntu-full
[15:36] <MangaKaDenza> but when I do sudo apt-get -d source kubuntu-full it gives me a tiny file
[15:36] <MangaKaDenza> which is obviously not kubuntu full
[15:36] <BluesKaj> never used kubuntu-full , installs all kinds of stuff I don't want
[15:36] <MangaKaDenza> well...
[15:36] <MangaKaDenza> how would I get the source for kubuntu then
[15:38] <BluesKaj> MangaKaDenza. sudo apt-get install kubuntu-full
[15:38]  * MangaKaDenza palmface
[15:38] <MangaKaDenza> the source
[15:38] <BluesKaj> hehe
[15:38] <BluesKaj> 'it's already in the default repos
[15:39] <lordievader> MangaKaDenza: sudo apt-get source kubuntu-full ?
[15:39] <MangaKaDenza> 1sec
[15:39] <BluesKaj> MangaKaDenza. don'y forget "install"
[15:40] <MangaKaDenza> BluesKaj, shtap
[15:40] <BluesKaj> er don't
[15:40] <lordievader> MangaKaDenza: Could very well be that kubuntu-full is another meta package, so the source could be just a debian/control file.
[15:41] <MangaKaDenza> urgh
[15:41] <MangaKaDenza> say... what folder would it go in normally
[15:42] <ricky_> D:
[15:42] <BluesKaj> lordievader. it's in muon
[15:42]  * MangaKaDenza comforts ricky_ 
[15:42] <BluesKaj> This package depends on all of the packages in the Kubuntu DVD for a very complete system. Installing this package will include much more than the default Kubuntu Plasma Desktop or Netbook installation.
[15:42] <BluesKaj> It is safe to remove this package if some of the packages are not desired.
[15:42] <MangaKaDenza> lordievader, what folder....
[15:43] <MangaKaDenza> but what folder!
[15:43] <MangaKaDenza> would it go in
[15:43] <lordievader> MangaKaDenza: I'm not sure what folder you are talking about? The debian/control thing I mentioned? That is inside the package.
[15:44] <MangaKaDenza> nono...
[15:44] <MangaKaDenza> so I did sudo apt-get source kubuntu-full
[15:44] <MangaKaDenza> so what folder would that go in
[15:45] <lordievader> MangaKaDenza: From the man page: It will then find and download into the current directory
[15:45] <MangaKaDenza> wut
[15:46] <MangaKaDenza> ...still lost
[15:48] <BluesKaj> yeah , well read my post above to in stall  ,there's no need to download it to afolder because it already exists in te universe repos
[15:50] <lordievader> MangaKaDenza: Jup bunch of dependencies. After you ran "apt-get source" there should be a folder named kubuntu-meta-1.291 in your cwd.
[15:50] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Sometimes you want to check out a package before installing ;)
[15:50] <BluesKaj> lordievader. he said he wanted them all ,
[15:51] <MangaKaDenza> cwd ?
[15:51] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Ah, didn't get that.
[15:51] <yoyo> Whatever working directory you are in when you run that command will download it into that folder. Your current directory can be determined by typing:  pwd
[15:51] <lordievader> MangaKaDenza: Current working dir.
[15:51] <MangaKaDenza> ahhh
[15:53] <MangaKaDenza> so the working dir was /
[15:53] <MangaKaDenza> but... I can't find it
[15:54] <lordievader> MangaKaDenza: Normal users cannot write there. So if you didn't use sudo it probably got an error.
[15:54] <MangaKaDenza> i was root
[16:06] <MangaKaDenza> oh dear
[16:06] <MangaKaDenza> it seems I removed the universe source
[16:06] <MangaKaDenza> how do I put that back in
[16:06] <MangaKaDenza> via terminal
[16:06] <MangaKaDenza> and multiverse while I'm at it
[16:09] <MangaKaDenza> hello?
[16:11] <MangaKaDenza> hello?
[16:17] <toams> edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:21] <MangaKaDenza> toams, are the ubuntu repos the same as the kubuntu ones
[16:23] <toams> not sure, i think so since my sources point to ubuntu.com
[16:23] <lordievader> MangaKaDenza: Yes. We use the same repo's.
[16:24] <MangaKaDenza> oic
[16:26] <toams> is anyone here also having problems with the muon updater?
[16:27] <toams> it says updates avaible but when i click on it it says system up to date
[16:28] <lordievader> toams: What does apt have to say about it?
[16:29] <toams> apt says system not up to date, apt-get upgrade installs a few upgrades
[16:31] <toams> not a big problem, but a little annoying
[16:31] <lordievader> toams: Then it is a bug with Muon, could you file a bug please?
[16:31] <toams> in kubuntu or kde?
[16:32] <lordievader> toams: In launchpad, so Kubuntu.
[16:35] <toams> found my problem mentioned in this bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/+bug/1243807
[16:38] <lordievader> toams: Ah, then there is no need to report it again. You could confirm the bug though.
[16:39] <Strav> He. I'm having some issues in making kde recognize (and prioritize) by usb headset when it's connected, can anyone help?
[16:40] <MangaKaDenza> what
[16:41] <MangaKaDenza> this is weird
[16:41] <MangaKaDenza> so...
[16:41] <MangaKaDenza> I want to remove xubuntu-desktop
[16:41] <mokush> have you guys seem that mgreslin's g+ post is at the top of hackernews? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6653914
[16:41] <MangaKaDenza> but when i apt-get remove xubuntu-desktop , it says its a file of around 31;2
[16:54] <cer> MangaKaDenza: because you are only removing the meta package not the whole desktop .... :)
[17:00] <BluesKaj> most of his needs have already been pointed out and explained ,but he seems reluctant to follow our suggestions , cer
[17:02] <cer> BluesKaj: thanks
[17:14] <SkapiN> hi there
[17:43] <cer> SkapiN: hi!
[18:52] <sheytan> So, hello then! :)
[18:52] <sheytan> Does any body know if I can use nvidia Optimus already on 13.10?
[18:55] <searchfgold> Are there any Easter Eggs that are specific to Kubuntu?
[19:00] <BluesKaj> doubt it , Kubuntu is mostly up front with their apps afaik
[19:02] <genii> Sort of reminds me of https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72331
[19:05] <searchfgold> Too bad, perhaps a more respectful feature request would have gotten something other than a very blunt WONTFIX.
[19:08] <keithzg> I'm sure the KDE maintainers would be amenable to a patch or two that added an easter egg, though.
[19:08] <keithzg> Or one could just write a plasmoid or such that did something hidden but fun.
[19:14]  * genii ponders apt-get muon ...er, moo
[19:19] <keithzg> Super cow powers!
[19:19] <MangaKaDenza> MOOOOO
[19:20] <MangaKaDenza> but srsly
[19:20] <MangaKaDenza> wtf does that mean
[19:20] <keithzg> At risk of automated flooding protection beating me down,
[19:21] <keithzg>          (__)
[19:21] <keithzg>          (oo)
[19:21] <keithzg>    /------\/
[19:21] <keithzg>   / |    ||
[19:21] <keithzg>  *  /\---/\
[19:21] <FloodBotK1> keithzg: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:21] <keithzg>     ~~   ~~
[19:21] <MangaKaDenza> :>
[19:21]  * MangaKaDenza farts on FloodBotK2
[19:22] <keithzg> Help, help, I'm being repressed!
[20:44] <[Relic]> Is there a list of problems caused by version upgrade; like ksysguard not having and sensors listed to add to tabs?
[20:55] <tompser> hello, I'm having problems with the muon updater in kubuntu 13.10, in 13.04 I got muon 2.0.1 and it works just fine, systray pops up when there's updates and I just click it un upgrade, but with muon 2.1.0 nothing pops up and when there's available updates muon just says my system is up to date, but apt-get find upgrades
[20:55] <tompser> how come?
[20:56] <valorie> tompser: known issue; fix in the works
[20:57] <tompser> ok, tried googling, looking forums and mailing list but all it said was to upgrade muon to 2.1.0
[20:57] <valorie> you can just use apt-get until you download the fix as part of updates
[20:57] <valorie> :-)
[20:57] <valorie> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/+bug/1243807
[20:58] <valorie> you can confirm if you like, but fix is released, it says
[20:58] <tompser> ok
[20:58] <tompser> thanks :)
[20:59] <tompser> switched from slackware to kubuntu to get rid of all the poping up terminals and fixing things with a lot of typing to get a modern feel of the system so I got a little dissapointed when the updater didn't work from start :P
[21:01] <tompser> still I feel like a sucker for complaining about it though, since it's open software I reckon I should put some time and effort in it to get it to work instead of being nagging, but it's a bit annoying I have to say :D
[21:04] <valorie> well, somehow that bit of code wasn't properly tested I guess
[21:07] <serega> yandex.ru
[21:09] <tompser> yeah, just feeling that kubuntu, and linux distros in general, is starting to get really polished and clean to get some public attention with the "year of the linux on the dekstop" that's been in the talking for years finally can be a reality
[21:10] <tompser> so if all those small things that a person used to linux systems don't really mind can get cleaned up, this show will really be able to get on the road so to speak
[21:10] <valorie> next release is LTS, so the next few months will be spent (I hope) polishing
[21:10] <valorie> and testing
[21:10] <MangaKaDenza> blargh
[21:10] <MangaKaDenza> I still
[21:10] <MangaKaDenza> cannot find
[21:11] <MangaKaDenza> the source
[21:11] <MangaKaDenza> for kubuntu
[21:11] <FloodBotK1> MangaKaDenza: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:11] <valorie> tompser: when you find a little problem, please file a bug
[21:11] <valorie> it is esp. important this round to get things working well
[21:12] <valorie> as I recall, this release will be supported for many years
[21:12] <valorie> MangaKaDenza: the source for kubuntu?
[21:12] <valorie> there are many sources
[21:12] <tompser> that's probably something to consider valorie, LTS is the thing to go for when looking for a solid experience i guess
[21:12] <MangaKaDenza> ya
[21:12] <valorie> one per application
[21:12] <MangaKaDenza> the source code
[21:12] <MangaKaDenza> all of it
[21:12] <MangaKaDenza> for kubuntu-full
[21:13] <tompser> maybe it's a bit dumb to come flaming about instability when just installing bleeding edge kubuntu instead of lts :D
[21:13] <valorie> turn on sources in your repos list
[21:13] <BluesKaj> the /etc/apt/sources.list , MangaKaDenza
[21:13] <MangaKaDenza> 1sec
[21:13] <valorie> and apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[21:13] <BluesKaj> gawd
[21:13] <robert___> Hi
[21:14] <valorie> tompser: you weren't flaming, just grumbling a bit
[21:14] <valorie> that's OK as long as you file bugs
[21:14] <valorie> and work with the devels to get them fixed
[21:17] <robert___> maybe somebody had a problem with drivers for NVS 4200M?
[21:19] <BluesKaj> robert___. don't quote model numbers without the manufacturer please
[21:19] <tompser> I guess that's true valorie
[21:19] <MangaKaDenza> huh
[21:19] <MangaKaDenza> guys, I'm having a bit of a weird thing
[21:19] <MangaKaDenza> so I type in apt-get remove xubuntu-desktop
[21:19] <tompser> on the same topic I'm leaning on though, for some discussion, what do you people think of this linux on the dekstop thing nowadays?
[21:20] <tompser> is it ready to get some momentum?
[21:20] <MangaKaDenza> and I expect that the files would be a few megabytes, but instead I get
[21:20] <MangaKaDenza>   xubuntu-desktop
[21:20] <MangaKaDenza> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[21:20] <MangaKaDenza> After this operation, 45.1 kB disk space will be freed.
[21:20] <MangaKaDenza> Do you want to continue [Y/n]? n
[21:20] <FloodBotK1> MangaKaDenza: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:20] <tompser> is it comparable with windows and os x on that front?
[21:21] <tompser> I'm thinking of things like openoffice/libreoffice, steam for linux and other things that can make the big difference
[21:22] <tompser> as well as all those small things, like graphic upgrader, splash screen on bootup and such
[21:23] <tompser> will it ever be in the competition or will stuff like android completely take over the linux desktop from the more traditional computer os?
[21:23] <robert___> its nvidia graphics card
[21:24] <robert___> i have thinkpad laptop with optimus system on the board
[21:24] <robert___> OS kubuntu 12.04
[21:25] <robert___> and when i switch on discrete graphics card (nvidia) i have a problem with turn on laptop
[21:26] <robert___> sometimes can sometimes cant
[21:26] <BluesKaj> robert___. try the bumblebee-nvidia driver
[21:27] <BluesKaj> i have to go ....it's been a long day
[21:27] <robert___> i heard about that  but im afraid..
[21:27] <robert___> its working good?
[21:29] <robert___> with intel graphic card..everything is good but sometimes have to switch to nvidia beacouse of display port
[21:30] <robert___> i have restricted drivers from nvidia installed..but i think that is problem w ACPI
[21:31] <valorie> tompser:
[21:31] <valorie> oops, for the return: I've been using linux on desktop for well over 10 years
[21:31] <robert___> i cant suspend system or hibernate beacause its not possible to return
[21:31] <valorie> I can't imagine using android instead
[21:31] <valorie> it SUCKS
[21:32] <valorie> I've heard that the newest windows is sort of good
[21:32] <valorie> looks really bad to ME
[21:32] <Addle> hehe I like Android, but not on a desktop or laptop.
[21:32] <valorie> it's crap on my phone, but I need a new phone
[21:32] <valorie> so I'll withhold judgement
[21:34] <tompser> I totally agree with that and I'm a desktop user of linux, but I'm interested in it so I'm also thinking about the widespread use, when it might be picked up by those people who doesn't really use a computer with passion, and when it might get picked up for use by corporations in everyday business use and things like that
[21:34] <tompser> maybe it only needs oem support and get bundled with new computers, or do you think that the os itself has some maturing to do before it might be able?
[21:35] <valorie> when the companies like canonical get more contracts for linux-on-desktop for new computers
[21:35] <valorie> no, you've pegged it
[21:35] <Addle> Pre-installed would be good, yes. And as long as the drivers are all there and good for your hardware, it usually works fine anyways.
[21:35] <valorie> people who have struggled through installing Windows think that's how it's gotta be
[21:35] <valorie> they never want to do that again
[21:36] <valorie> therefore, most will not wipe Windows and put on a linux
[21:36] <valorie> once they learn how easy it is, that can change
[21:36] <valorie> most people don't want to learn that, and why should they?
[21:37] <valorie> should just help people get their work and entertainment done
[21:37] <valorie> like a toaster making toast
[21:37] <valorie> sure, you have to clean out crumbs occasionally, but otherwise it should Just Work
[21:39] <SkapiN> hi everybody. I have some trouble with my LCD 12" monitor. Works well with windows, but ugly color/shade/refrehing with linux. i950 intel driver, 1240*7xx resolt, 60hz. I changed the depth color but nothing better. No specific output on xorg log.... I dont know which way to take ... Alp...Plaz
[21:43] <SkapiN> 915 soz*
[22:08] <msx> hello all, what's the user passwd in the Live session?
[22:20] <wxl> ubuntu if i remember correctly msx
[22:20] <Unit193> Username should be 'kubuntu', password should actually be blank.
[22:20] <msx> wxl: hey, thanks, already figured it out, it's just blank
[22:20]  * wxl shrugs
[22:20] <msx> exactly
[22:20] <msx> thanks folks!
[22:21] <wxl> Unit193: you should make that a factoid
[23:49] <[Relic]> so is there anyway to get ksysguard to see the sensors list in 13.10?
[23:53] <[Relic]> I see, nice how it is hidden without any icon or arrow showing something there