[00:00] <nik90> szymon_w: can you mark that bug affecting you
[00:00] <nik90> will raise the bug hea
[00:00] <nik90> heat*
[00:00] <szymon_w> nik90, sure
[00:02]  * nik90 wonders what Gerry Boland's nick is to say thnx
[00:02] <greyback> nik90: hi :)
[00:03] <popey> heh
[00:04] <greyback> I'm just about to go to bed now, but if you've any questions/problems with the layouting stuff, please let me know, I should be able to help
[00:04] <greyback> nik90: ^^
[00:04] <nik90> greyback: thnx :)
[00:04] <nik90> gnite
[00:05] <greyback> nik90: welcome!
[00:05]  * greyback goes to dreamy sleepy land
[01:18] <mhall119> nik90: were you looking for info about convergence layouts?
[01:18] <nik90> mhall119: yes
[01:18] <nik90> mhall119: but I read the SDK API docs and figured it out
[01:19] <nik90> a bug also reported
[01:19] <mhall119> http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-1.0/UbuntuUserInterfaceToolkit.ubuntu-layouts/ ?
[01:19] <nik90> mhall119: yup that's what I finally used
[01:19] <mhall119> cool
[01:20] <nik90> I will write a small todo post on that. It doesn't seem that difficult to use layouts
[01:20] <nik90> we desperately something similar for the friends feature
[01:20] <nik90> it is a highlighted feature which is missing official documentation
[01:20] <mhall119> you mean how-to kind of docs for friends?
[01:21] <nik90> mhall119: yes
[01:21] <mhall119> yeah, would be helpful, kenvandine can probably provide something
[01:22] <nik90> I think that the developer.ubuntu.com should definitely have docs for Ubuntu specific features such as HUD, Welcome screen infographics, friends, u1db
[01:22] <nik90> I think it is missing all of the above
[01:22]  * nik90 checks
[01:23] <nik90> mhall119: this page -> http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-1.0/
[01:23] <nik90> mhall119: what format do you accept?
[01:24] <nik90> mhall119: I wouldn't mind writing up the documentation for HUD and Welcome Screen Infographics
[02:00] <mhall119> nik90: html chunks
[04:00] <sr20dett> how can i use QGraphicsWebView to view a url in ubuntu touch
[04:01] <sr20dett> found this in a qt fourm but it is not ubuntu-touch specific      QWebView *view = new QWebView();            view->load(QUrl("http://www.naukri.com"));            view->show();
[04:21] <nandersson> Hi, what was the name of the new messaging client coming in Ubuntu Phone?
[04:22] <nandersson> It was some project that could be found on Launchpad, but I have forgot the name :(
[04:22] <nandersson> i.e the software that is replacing pidgin/empathy
[04:54] <nandersson> Is this the package replacing pidgin/empathy in Ubuntu Touch? https://launchpad.net/messaging-app
[04:58] <nhaines> nandersson: it's called "Friends" and it is already in Ubuntu.
[04:58] <nandersson> nhaines, ah, ok thanks a lot!
[05:13] <karbon> hello guys
[05:13] <karbon> I received this error
[05:13] <karbon> ERROR:phablet-flash:Command 'adb push /home/martin/Downloads/phablet-flash/imageupdates/pool/ubuntu-2b5345658b58e55207c4a4e7b6b3d8cd4f3d9a3187d2448fc9020c884234bac0.tar.xz /cache/recovery/' returned non-zero exit status 1
[05:22] <ecardenas> hi good night
[05:22] <ecardenas> excuseme
[05:22] <ecardenas> ubuntu touch 13.10 its work in galaxy s3 gt-i8190l
[05:24] <karbon> hello
[05:25] <karbon> can anyone help?
[05:26] <ecardenas> hi karbon
[05:26] <ecardenas> excusame for my english its not good
[05:26] <ecardenas> im have samsung s3 mini gt-i8190l
[05:27] <ecardenas> and like install ubuntu touch 13.10
[05:27] <karbon> yes i have galaxy nexus
[05:27] <karbon> but it got stuck
[05:28] <ecardenas> an dont have idea its work in this phone
[05:31] <ecardenas> ubuntu touch 13.10 only work in nexus 4 and heiguer
[05:31] <ecardenas> and higer
[05:42] <karbon> i followed the instructions for glaxy nexus
[05:43] <karbon> http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/install
[07:18] <morphis> ogra_: ping
[07:59] <vmalep> Hi all. I reiinstall my Nexus 4 on the 17th, but since then, it indicate no update available? Is it so or should I run a new  "phablet-flash ubuntu-system -b"?
[08:22] <successus> salud
[08:28] <Maclaren> hello, i want to upgrade ubuntu touch 13.10 to the 13.10 beta version
[08:28] <Maclaren> can it be done through the terminal
[08:32] <nhaines> There is no 13.10 beta version.  We are on 13.10.  Release 100 last I checked.
[09:46] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday and happy Authors' Day! :-D
[09:51] <popey> xnox: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6340336/ - emulator segfaults for me ☹
[09:52] <obiwlan> did anyone get x11 forwarding to work with ubuntu touch? x11 forwarding is enabled in sshd_config by default, but when i log in (ssh -X phablet@ubuntu-touch) the DISPLAY variable isn't set
[09:53] <popey> unlikely, the phone doesn't ship with X
[09:53] <popey> it being enabled is just a default option I suspect
[09:53] <popey> not an indication that it should work
[09:53] <obiwlan> i installed x11-common and x11-apps
[09:53] <obiwlan> it's in the package repository
[09:54] <obiwlan> i thought it was worth a try. so i could carry my development environment with me
[09:55] <nhaines> obiwlan: you'd need to have an X server that supported your graphics hardware, and then you'd need to start X.
[09:55] <nhaines> I guess that'd just be the beginning.
[09:56] <obiwlan> nhaines: no, the server is my desktop
[09:58] <obiwlan> nhaines: you don't need to start x on the client machine where the apps are running or do you? x can be a little confusing
[09:59] <ogra_> you shouldnt need that, no
[10:00] <obiwlan> it wouldn't make sense to have x packages and firefox, eclipse in the ubuntu touch repository otherwise
[10:00] <obiwlan> which depend on x
[10:00] <ogra_> "the ubuntu touch repository" ?
[10:00] <ogra_> it is the normal ubuntu repo
[10:01] <ogra_> (which is also used for arm desktop and server images)
[10:01] <obiwlan> ogra_: oh, ok .. didn't notice it
[10:02] <ogra_> the touch images are built with recommends disabled ... i suspect you are missing dependencies to make the X forwarding work
[10:02] <obiwlan> ogra_: probably
[10:07] <ogra_> gra@chromebook:~$ apt-cache show openssh-server|grep ^Recommends
[10:07] <ogra_> Recommends: xauth, ncurses-term, ssh-import-id
[10:07] <ogra_> try installing these
[10:07] <ogra_> (at least xauth i think)
[10:10] <obiwlan> ogra_: yay, xauth was missing. thank you!
[10:12] <obiwlan> i'm starting to like UT :D
[10:15] <obiwlan> not the perfect experience, since i still need a thin client instead of just a dumb monitor and input devices... but it already gives a good impression of what's going to happen in the future
[10:16] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:24] <davmor2> ogra_: is it me or did the maliit become a lot less reliable on webapps and pages
[10:25] <ogra_> hmm, i havent noticed it being worse here
[10:31] <davmor2> ogra_: for me it's not showing up on comments for g+ Facebook or twitter is was on saucy
[10:32] <ogra_> well, that sounds liek a regression ... works for me though
[10:37] <xnox> popey: emulator: ping program: /home/alan/adt-bundle-linux-x86_64-20130219/sdk/tools/ddms looks weird.
[10:38] <xnox> popey: can you please run it in a clean environment not populted by any other android builds?
[10:39] <popey> hmmm, okay
[10:41] <davmor2> popey, ogra_: have you got a phone that doesn't have the updated music player on it yet.  I seem to keep getting Network error trying to update it I'm about to chase it with my team to see if it is an error our side
[10:41] <popey> nope
[10:41] <popey> updated both
[10:42] <ogra_> i installed manually on myy maguro yesterday ... didnt update apps on the mako for a while, let me see
[10:44] <ogra_> update worked fine
[10:44] <davmor2> just me then that's good :)
[10:50] <JamesTait> Downloaded fine on my laptop too.
[10:52] <JamesTait> ogra_, this reminds me, I hacked together a little Python script to get click packages. It handles the SSO login and oauth signing and drops the downloaded file in $HOME.  If it would be of use, I can drop it somewhere public.
[10:53] <ogra_> sure, /me would post it to the ML ;)
[10:54] <popey> xnox: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6340586 - better, runs
[10:56] <JamesTait> ogra_, good idea! :)
[10:57] <xnox> popey: \o/
[10:57] <xnox> popey: now i guess i should be able to unset the environment variables that screwed it up =)
[10:58] <popey> xnox: yeah, ANDROID_HOME is the only one I think I have set
[10:59] <xnox> popey: cool thanks.
[11:53] <davmor2> ogra_: oh that's interesting there was a system update too I'm wondering if that was blocking it
[11:54] <ogra_> unlikely
[11:54] <ogra_> they should be completely separate
[11:55] <davmor2> ogra_: pass then the system update has the new version of the music app on it :)
[11:55] <davmor2> so now I have no more apps that are out of date :)
[11:56] <ogra_> oh, did the updater show you the app even after the system update ?
[11:56] <popey> hmm
[11:57] <popey> i made a webapp and listed a bunch of webappUrlPatterns but the website still seems to break out into a separate webbrowser
[11:58]  * popey fiddles
[12:12] <popey> ogra_: Ignoring empty or invalid webapp url pattern: "https?://dict.cc/*"
[12:12] <popey> webbrowser-app: unrecognized option '--webappUrlPatterns=https?://dict.cc/*,https?://touch.dict.cc/*'
[12:12] <ogra_> oh ?
[12:12] <popey> lots of that
[12:12] <popey> check the log in ~/.cache/upstart
[12:12] <ogra_> the reviewer asked me for this
[12:12] <popey> I see same on my app
[12:12] <popey> no, they won't
[12:12] <ogra_> it used to be just dict.cc
[12:12] <popey> it appears in the log when you stat the app
[12:13] <ogra_> --webappUrlPatterns=https?://dict.cc/* was my original code
[12:13] <popey> application-click-com.ubuntu.developer.ogra.dict_dict_0.3.log
[12:13] <popey> thats the latest version ?
[12:13] <ogra_> yes
[12:14] <popey> right, so thats generating those errors
[12:14] <popey> I dont know if it's a problem or not
[12:14] <ogra_> desktop_Exec_webbrowser_target_netloc_matches_patterns (dict, https?://dict.cc/*)&quot;: &quot;&#39;touch.dict.cc&#39; != primary pattern
[12:14] <ogra_> I suggest fixing this by using this as the Exec in the desktop file:
[12:14] <ogra_> Exec=webbrowser-app --webapp --enable-back-forward --webappUrlPatterns=https?://dict.cc/*,https?://touch.dict.cc/* http://touch.dict.cc/
[12:15] <ogra_> thats the mail i got
[12:16] <ogra_> (the mails are really hard to read in a text only mailer btw)
[12:16] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Specifications/WebAppsConfinement
[12:16] <ogra_> ah, you mean the last point ?
[12:17] <ogra_> "must match" ... hrm
[12:17] <popey> just referring to the docs
[12:17] <ogra_> thats annoying
[12:17] <popey> but yes
[12:17] <popey> which is annoying for me because m.bbc.co.uk/news redirects to www.bbc.co.uk/news
[12:18] <ogra_> right
[12:18] <ogra_> i know plenty of such pages
[12:18]  * popey tries http?://*.bbc.co.uk/news
[12:18]  * popey tries http?://*.bbc.co.uk/news/*
[12:18] <ogra_> they just carry over the user agent to the main page
[12:19]  * ogra_ has a similar prob with m.slashdot.org 
[12:19] <ogra_> using a qml wrapper works, but then yuo are lacking a back button and wont have the --webappUrlPatterns to open external links in a browser
[12:20] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1226690
[12:21] <ogra_> bah, k
[12:21] <ogra_> i'll change dict.cc
[12:24]  * popey fettles bbc
[12:26] <ogra_> popey, try if it also happens with http://daker.me/2013/10/package-your-webapp-for-ubuntu-touch.html
[12:27] <ogra_> if not, it should be easily fixble by adding m.bbc.co.uk to the us-overrides.js of the browser
[12:27] <popey> hmm
[12:27] <ogra_> m.slashdot.org works fine with it
[12:28] <popey> damnit
[12:28] <ogra_> its just that this way lacks all the browser features like the back button etc
[12:28] <ogra_> (and the url patterns indeed)
[12:28] <popey> gonna unpublish bbcnews till I can fix it
[12:31] <ogra_> what happens to unpulished apps people have installed already btw ?
[12:31] <ogra_> do we wipe them ?
[12:32] <popey> hehe
[12:32] <popey> remote wipe
[12:33] <popey> yeah, that would go down well ㋛
[12:33] <popey> no, they just disappear from the store
[12:38] <popey> ogra_: that works but no back button is frustrating
[12:39] <ogra_> right
[12:39] <ogra_> i filed a bug for having a cmdline option to override the UA
[12:39] <ogra_> trying to find it
[12:40] <popey> the UA isnt the issue for me
[12:42] <ogra_> oh ?
[12:42] <ogra_> but you said the qml wrapper works
[12:42] <ogra_> the only puprose of this is to override the UA
[12:43] <ogra_> (you could also just add a line to the ua-overrides.js for this url pattern)
[12:44] <ogra_> bug 1245465
[12:45] <popey> hang on.
[12:46] <popey> I am not seeing a problem with the UA
[12:46] <popey> the problem I get is that it redirects from m.bbc.co.uk/news to www.bbc.co.uk/news and back to m.bbc.co.uk/news
[12:46] <popey> which launches a separate browser session
[12:46] <popey> using daker's method to confine it (without munging the UA) is good for solving that problem, but then I get no back button
[12:47] <ogra_> ah, so you commented the UA sring in the qml file ?
[12:47] <ogra_> *string
[12:47] <popey> removed it, yes
[12:47] <ogra_> ah, k
[12:49] <daker> popey: so removing the UA function made it work ?
[12:50] <popey> "work"
[12:50] <popey> no
[12:51] <popey> the UA isn't the issue for me
[12:55] <daker> the UA is an issue you need to send the mobile UA too
[12:55] <popey> its not an issue for the site I am using
[12:55] <popey> the issue is the redirect which it always does
[12:55] <popey> which is fine, because it redirects back again to teh right page
[12:56] <popey> I just don't seem to be able to craft the weburlpatterns right
[13:04] <daker> you are being redirect to http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/ because you are not sending a mobile UA
[13:05] <ogra_> daker, well, i would think he still gets the mobile version (which would mean the UA is fine)
[13:09] <popey> i do
[13:09] <popey> it goes m -> news -> m again
[13:13] <ogra_> popey, davmor2, so if you guys try to keep a few apps open (for me thats >4 on maguro and >6 on mako) do you also see the die after a few hours being in the bg ... (and then end up with an empty thumbnail or even shuffled thumbnail labeling)
[13:14] <popey> not tried as I keep rebooting mine
[13:14] <popey> will leave one for a bit
[13:14] <ogra_> ah, well, i switched completely to my mako
[13:14] <ogra_> and it makes it failrly unusable ...
[13:14] <ogra_> some apps start over if you swipe to them ...
[13:14] <ogra_> but well, they start over from scratch
[13:15] <ogra_> so all open data is lost etc
[13:15] <ogra_> (browser always starts from ubuntu.com, selected topic in shorts isnt selected anymore but you end up at the start page)
[13:16] <davmor2> ogra_: I have 5 open and it is running at a snails pace but still going, usable would be a vast overstatment
[13:16] <ogra_> yeah, maguro is really bad here ... but for me it even happens with 2 or 3 apps on maguro
[13:17] <ogra_> after a fresh reboot it works for a while
[13:17] <davmor2> ogra_: http://ubuntuone.com/1iXIRnGo61HOQJGpFGQRPY
[13:17] <ogra_> the apps seem to be properly SIGSTOPed as they should and start again if i swipe to them
[13:17] <ogra_> but after a while one or two of them crash
[13:17] <ogra_> and the havoc starts
[13:18] <ogra_> yeah
[13:19] <davmor2> ogra_: hmm actually each individual app seems to be okay when it has the foreground, it's just if you try and do anything that uses the system that it grinds to a halt
[13:19] <ogra_> well, for how many hours did you keep them ?
[13:20]  * ogra_ has the habit of using a handfull apps that always stay open ... and after a while they start to die 
[13:20] <ogra_> on maguro i usually only have 3 open ... mako allows more and survives a lot longer ... but shows the same behavior
[13:22] <sergiusens> ogra_, confirming the label switch
[13:22] <sergiusens> ogra_, although I switched back to sf as I got tired of waiting ages for things to happen
[13:22] <ogra_> sergiusens, any idea against what to file this ?
[13:22] <sergiusens> ogra_, I'd say either unity8 or unity-mir
[13:22] <ogra_> i suspect the whole app lifecycle thing still doesnt work as it should
[13:23] <sergiusens> ogra_, it does fairly well for webapps
[13:23] <ogra_> (apps are supposed to always keep their state even if they get completely killed IIRC)
[13:23] <ogra_> sergiusens, i see it mostly with webapps
[13:23]  * ogra_ usually has 4 news sites open, G+ and shorts 
[13:24] <ogra_> usually shorts is the first one to die though
[13:24] <sergiusens> ogra_, yeah, state and webapps I can give to you as not ideal
[13:24] <ogra_> but often enough i also get the "empty swipe" for a webapp
[13:24] <ogra_> i'm just trying without swap on mako ...
[13:25] <ogra_> it actually seems to happen later then
[13:25] <ogra_> (but still happens)
[13:32] <jjlwork> I am installing on Nexus 7 (grouper), when I do fastboot flash boot trusty-preinstalled-boot-armfh+grouper.img   I get FAILED (command write failed (invalid argument)) can anyone help
[13:34] <popey> Hmm. I thought I could fiddle with .local/share/applications/foo.desktop and then "start application APP_ID=foo_1.0" and it use that new desktop file
[13:34] <popey> seems not
[13:34] <popey> desktop file data cached somewhere else?
[13:36] <popey> woop woop
[13:37] <popey> fixed it via judicous use of trial and error
[13:44] <pablin262004> hi my device bird73gb is posible install ubuntu?
[13:45] <popey> pablin262004: is it listed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices ?
[13:45] <pablin262004> nop
[13:48] <pablin262004> its clone chinesse phone
[13:49] <pablin262004> h7300
[13:50] <popey> pablin262004: so you need to find someone to port to it, does CyanogenMod 10 work on it?
[13:52] <pablin262004> thanks
[14:56] <freppo> hi
[14:56] <freppo> hi
[15:42] <Jesseee> is there currently an ubuntu touch emulator?
[15:42] <popey> Jesseee: no, but it's being worked on
[15:42] <Jesseee> how soon do you think it would become available :3/
[15:44] <popey> Jesseee: it's already available, but the GUI doesn't yet work
[15:45] <Jesseee> where can i go for more information?
[15:45] <popey> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg04900.html
[15:45] <Jesseee> ty
[15:45] <popey> np
[16:32] <davmor2> ogra_: okay so I've had 6 apps open since you talked about the issue and I've just had to reboot the device to me though it looks like 3 of the 6 had been closed while scrolling between the apps.  In reality I think they just all stayed open and the icons disappeared.  But rebooting does indeed get me back to a fairly speedy system again
[16:33] <ogra_> well, the apps get killed in the back
[16:33] <davmor2> ogra_: in that case the 3 apps left open were using all the memory :)
[16:35] <ogra_> they should get SIGSTOPed ... if the ram gets low their state should be saved they should be killed to free the ram ... and once you open them again they should be started at the point where they were killed
[16:36] <ogra_> at least thats how i always understand tvoss if he talks about it
[16:36] <ogra_> i think the SIGSTOP (and start) works just fine
[16:36] <ogra_> but as soon as one app gets killed everything goes crazy
[16:36] <ogra_> (and they never pick up where you were)
[16:38] <sr20dett> Why is it when i start a simple touch ui and run it before i do anything.........its a transparent box
[16:39] <sr20dett> The design tab and code say there should at least be a button
[16:47] <popey> ogra_: davmor2 just looked at my nexus 4, all the apps are still running
[16:47] <ogra_> popey, was it suspended inbetween ?
[16:48] <popey> i tapped power button, yeah
[16:48] <popey> a few hours ago
[16:48] <davmor2> popey: I was waking my up and switching between the apps every 30 minutes or so
[16:49] <ogra_> popey, flick through them
[16:49] <popey> i just did
[16:49] <ogra_> one will start dieing at some point
[16:50] <popey> all 7 still open
[16:50] <ogra_> well then you are lucky ... i just had to start all of them again after all the labels were wrong
[16:51] <ogra_> but it doesnt seem to happen after any fixed time frame
[16:51] <ogra_> i think it is a matter of usage
[16:55] <popey> hmmm
[17:25] <Moebieus> anyone willing to help me flash back to android? read the site just had a question on one of the steps
[18:02] <Marinella> Hello guyts
[18:02] <Marinella> Guys
[18:03] <davmor2> Marinella: hello
[18:04] <Marinella> I have a question, in my ubuntu touch  i have  problem with increase audio smartphone soul song, how  can i do for resolve this problem?
[18:06] <Marinella> audio too low for music Soul, how icreas it? are there a solution for this problem?
[18:08] <Marinella> my device it's Nexus 4
[18:11] <successus> salud
[18:25] <Marinella> how  increase audio  music soul from ubuntu touch?
[18:26] <mpt> seb128, http://www.lukew.com/ff/entry.asp?1797
[18:26] <seb128> mpt, thanks
[18:27] <seb128> mpt, found the bug, I even assigned to you some weeks ago when it was filed ;-)
[18:27] <seb128> mpt, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1239884
[18:28] <mpt> Okay, I’ll blat through bugs this afternoon
[18:28] <seb128> mpt, thanks
[18:29] <Marinella> how can i boost audio  in my ubuntu touch,  soul  ringtone audio too low,  why?
[18:37] <Marinella> ok, now i have go... bye
[18:39] <mpt> Marinella, the volume hardware buttons should do that. If they do not, that is a bug.
[18:45] <Marinella> mpt  soul  ringtone audio too low
[18:46] <Marinella> mpt volume max but sound audio too low
[18:47] <yahoo> whats the version no of latest release ?
[18:48] <yahoo> ...
[19:17] <Dicegasm> guys, do you know when ubuntu will support nexus5?
[19:18] <Marinella> bye
[19:19] <popey> Dicegasm: when a) someone buys one, b) someone ports to it
[19:19] <Marinella> popey
[19:19] <popey> Marinella: hello
[19:19] <Dicegasm> popey, do you know when the desktop version will be available ?
[19:20] <Marinella> popey, i have go... bye
[19:21] <popey> Dicegasm: 14.04 to 14.10 timescale
[19:21] <Dicegasm> Popey, ooh :/ 5 months.. until 14.04,..
[19:22] <popey> it'll come round sooner than you think ☻
[19:26] <Dicegasm> i really wanted the ubuntu edge :(
[19:28] <popey> so did i!
[19:58] <a_muva> I'm having problems with alarm. Does it work?
[19:58] <a_muva> look like I can not save settings
[20:06] <Marinella> Hello how can i disable bluetooth ?
[20:09] <Marinella> i want permanently disable bluetooth becouse i see there is a bug
[20:11] <nik90> a_muva: Alarms dont work yet
[20:52] <cwayne> stgraber, ping
[20:54] <stgraber> cwayne: ping-ish (at a conference)
[20:54] <stgraber> *pong
[20:55] <kpanic> Hello
[20:56] <cwayne> stgraber, ah, i can bother you another time then :)
[20:56] <popey> ogra_: ok, now my phone is unusable
[20:57] <kpanic> I'm trying to get ubuntu touch on i9300, it's booting fine but I think there's an issue with udev!
[20:58] <popey>  1737 phablet   20   0  666856 662204   1132 S  0.6 34.6   6:25.47 init
[20:58] <popey> that doesnt look good
[20:58] <kpanic> the radio is asking to load image phone from /dev/block/mmcblk0p7
[20:59] <kpanic> while the device is under /dev directly
[21:14] <cwayne> kenvandine, how does signon-ui differ from phone <-> desktop?
[21:15] <cwayne> namely, how is it that my account-plugin on desktop has a known id, but ont he phone ID is blank
[21:15] <kenvandine> cwayne, on the phone it uses the webview UI
[21:15] <kenvandine> on the desktop it uses the Qt stuff
[21:15] <kenvandine> widgets that is
[21:15] <cwayne> kenvandine, so are the webkit.d/ conf files ignored?
[21:16] <cwayne> i.e. does it pull the Username/ID from there on desktop?
[21:16] <kenvandine> those are used still
[21:17] <kenvandine> but i think on the desktop it's webkit1
[21:17] <kenvandine> phone is webkit2
[21:17] <cwayne> hm
[21:17] <kenvandine> on the phone the wrapper to load it is QML/webkit2
[21:18] <cwayne> i just don't get why the ID isn't automatically populated, as it seems twitter has essentially a blank qml-plugin, so how does it get pulled in while mine does not
[21:19] <kenvandine> i'd say it is most likely something with that QML loader in the account plugin
[21:20] <cwayne> i was hoping to have an empty one like twitter's, as api calls for this account are a bit more involved
[21:20] <cwayne> so iw as trying to avoid having to do an api call to get the display name
[21:22] <kenvandine> look at the Main.qml in flickr
[21:22] <kenvandine> it does a function call to get the username
[21:22] <kenvandine> i don't think we had to do that before...
[21:22] <cwayne> i saw facebook does that, but twitter's doesn't have to do that function call
[21:23] <beuno> kenvandine, heya!   since you're Mr Friends, do you know if google talk is suppose to work in touch?
[21:23] <cwayne> kenvandine, any api call to fitbit has to have oauth signed auth headers, so it's a bit more complicated than passing the token in the url
[21:23] <beuno> kenvandine, it seems to always just tell me to set up things in online accounts, but I do have it set up
[21:25] <kenvandine> beuno, i don't think there is an app for google talk on touch
[21:25] <beuno> kenvandine, makes sense. Is it planned at all?
[21:26] <kenvandine> not sure... i hope so
[21:26] <kenvandine> we basically need a chat client
[21:26] <kenvandine> check with bfiller
[21:26] <kenvandine> cwayne, can you ask mardy about that on monday?
[21:28] <cwayne> kenvandine, sure thing!  i think it can certainly be done in a qml plugin, but it's somewhat non-trivial (at least for someone like me who doesn't know what they're doing :P)
[21:28] <kenvandine> i'm just not seeing why you would need to if it works on the desktop
[21:28] <kenvandine> anyway... time to EOD!
[21:28] <kenvandine> have a great weekend!