[00:17] <astraljava> Emailing logs is all good and dandy, as long as there's no hardcoded email addresses induced.
[00:25] <lderan> can't find any
[00:27] <astraljava> Ok, Unit193, breathe normally again.
[00:32] <Unit193> astraljava: Not yet, nope.
[00:36] <astraljava> Oh yeah, sorry I forgot who I was talk*... typing to.
[00:37] <Unit193> Well, that and gparted went to sleep on the job (segfault during op)
[00:51] <Unit193> queuebot:#ubuntu-release: New: accepted light-locker [source] (trusty-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1]
[00:53] <astraljava> Unit193: Ugh, that's not nice.
[00:53] <Unit193> astraljava: Reeeeeeeeally not good. :/
[00:55] <Unit193> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1237134  And the ubuntu1 version is just because it's in Ubuntu first, there are no debian/patches/ files.
[01:45] <ali1234> http://askubuntu.com/q/369302/12435
[02:04] <skellat> ali1234: It went kaboom because test-glib-events failed on the PPA builder
[03:18] <Unit193> brainwash: Re: Update notifier appindicator, I seem to have it, though I did edit the dbus file.
[03:40] <bluesabre> re: xfce-4.11, I agree about not shipping dev components for an LTS
[03:41] <Unit193> Well, in some ways I do too, but I want them personally. :P
[03:41] <bluesabre> re: bottom panel, I like the bottom panel, prefer plank more
[03:41] <Unit193> Isn't backports at a lower pin number?  Can we ship some there?
[03:41] <Unit193> Yeah, I keep it as well.
[03:41] <bluesabre> re: meeting sunday at 22UTC, I'll try to make it
[03:42] <bluesabre> dunno about backports
[03:49] <Unit193> ...And guess what?  Can't make the meeting. :)
[04:01] <bluesabre> Not even trying :P
[04:05] <Unit193> Can't, busy at that time. :P
[06:37] <Unit193> knome: bug 1242417 - https://launchpadlibrarian.net/154805913/grub2_2.00-19ubuntu2_2.00-19ubuntu2.1.diff.gz
[06:42] <knome> Unit193, i know, but does that really affect us?
[06:43] <Unit193> No, remember about the /etc/default/grub.d/xubuntu.cfg idea?
[06:46] <knome> yes, and i'm aware that's related
[06:46] <knome> thanks for the heads up though :)
[06:47] <Unit193> Cool, wasn't sure you saw, or would care to see. :P
[06:47] <knome> i did, they are probably doing a .1 release for studio
[06:48] <Unit193> smarts backed it out.
[06:48] <knome> aha..
[06:48] <Unit193> (Or, he did and someone else I think did in the repo.)
[06:48] <knome> mmkay
[06:48] <knome> it's november!
[06:49] <knome> BAHH.
[10:33] <brainwash> elfy: this annoying issue remains, bug 1247002
[10:35] <elfy> yea - I'd noticed that for a while actually - I wonder if it is actually a bug or a change in behaviour that's just been badly communicated
[10:35] <elfy> it is a bit 'windowsy' for my liking
[10:35] <elfy> not been annoyed enough to actually report it I must add
[10:36] <brainwash> windowsy like in ms windows?
[10:37] <elfy> yea
[10:37] <elfy> a bit YOU WILL RESTART AND WE'LL ANNOY YOU TILL YOU DO :p
[10:37] <brainwash> but microsoft allows the user to close the restart window
[10:38] <brainwash> if you run unity, it will remain in the sidebar, not a bit deal there I think
[10:38] <ali12341> that's currently the top post in r/ubuntu
[10:38] <brainwash> big
[10:39] <elfy> ali12341: is it - I harldy ever go there 
[10:39] <brainwash> r/ubuntu :D
[10:39] <elfy> reddit I assume
[10:40] <ali12341> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/1pnwfx/who_put_windows_on_my_laptop/
[10:40] <brainwash> http://imgur.com/VoI36N0
[10:40] <brainwash> yeah
[10:43] <brainwash> but keeping the window open/alive is the only solution right now, if there is no working appindicator
[10:45] <Unit193> Ctrl+Alt+Esc click, fixed. :D
[10:49] <elfy> of course it was a WHOLE lot more annoying when the restart button didn't do anything even if you did click it :p
[10:53] <brainwash> mmh, anyone familiar with https://www.ksplice.com/ "Ksplice Uptrack lets you apply 100% of the important kernel security updates released by your Linux vendor without rebooting.
[10:53] <brainwash> "?
[10:54] <brainwash> I feel like installing this software which sends information to Oracle :)
[10:54] <elfy> I'm aware of it 
[10:56] <Unit193> I've used it.
[10:57] <brainwash> the funny thing is that update-manager will continue to show the restart window even on such a rebootless system
[10:58] <brainwash> Unit193: and it worked flawless?
[10:59] <Unit193> brainwash: 1. No, it won't as uptrack moves/removes /run/reboot-required.  2. Define "flawless"?
[10:59] <brainwash> without causing any trouble
[11:00] <Unit193> Never made the system unstable, tried to hit a bug with the patch applied and couldn't, but didn't verify beforehand that it did work.
[11:00] <brainwash> and why did you stop using it?
[11:00] <Unit193> On one computer I bake my own kernel, and I didn't on the other.
[11:01] <Unit193> Note, inxi knows about spliced kernels. :)
[11:01] <brainwash> wow, thanks for the information
[11:04] <slickymaster> morning all
[11:06] <elfy> Bug #1033226 
[11:14] <Unit193> brainwash: I'm not saying it works magic, but handy because server kernel is technically the same as desktop, just no -extras.  I do know of one other at least that uses it.
[11:15] <brainwash> Unit193: I'll give it a go then
[11:16] <elfy> give it a go in -offtopic :p
[11:17] <brainwash> just looking for a "solution" to get rid of the restart window :)
[11:17] <brainwash> so it's ontopic, well if you consider talk about the update-manager ontopic =S
[11:17] <Unit193> sudo rm /run/reboot-required /run/reboot-required.pkgs
[11:20] <ochosi> brainwash: nice, your update-manager patch just landed
[11:20] <ochosi> (i mean "just" landed here on my laptop :))
[11:21] <elfy> does that add a restart later button ... :p
[11:21] <ochosi> no, but it makes the restart-button actually work :)
[11:21] <ochosi> good first step
[11:22] <elfy> aah yes - I got that yesterday :)
[11:22] <brainwash> a restart later button, yeah, if you press it, it will minimize the window :P
[11:23] <Unit193> Copy from windows, hide for 30 minutes.
[11:29] <brainwash> I don't expect any change before 14.04
[11:31] <ochosi> well, 14.04 is a good-enough goal i'd say
[11:32] <Unit193> I'd agree as this is the first I've known about it.
[11:36] <ochosi> cool thing is that the window is closeable via e.g. plank :)
[11:36] <ochosi> and then there's always xkill (handy to have that bound to ctrl+alt+esc like it used to be)
[11:36] <ochosi> bbl
[11:39] <Unit193> ochosi: You setting up another default kebind I have now?! ;)
[16:56] <brainwash> xmir still lacks proper support for dpms, utilizes a software cursor, does screen flickering on quite few occasions, even reacts delayed to some events and does not like systems with hybrid graphics if both gpus are powered on
[16:57] <brainwash> what a bummer
[16:58] <brainwash> oh, and I noticed some redraw issues too 
[21:37] <Unit193> brainwash: Hey, sounds like it works better for you, then!
[21:55] <brainwash> Unit193: lucky me :)
[21:58] <brainwash> so xmir or not? clearly a NO at this point
[22:01] <Unit193> It's an LTS and it'd be the first with it, I'm saying no.
[22:04] <brainwash> could be shipped as optional choice, but not in the current unpolished state
[22:12] <brainwash> Unit193: btw, got some suspend/resume test results finally?
[22:13] <Unit193> brainwash: Nothing much, worked so far, but funny that wireless came alive faster when "directly" using pm-suspend. :P
[22:16] <brainwash> the whole issue is slowly driving me mad, pitti released the new package and wasn't seen online since then, another dev removed all the duplicated reports and reassigned them to the linux package while asking people to test kernel 3.12
[22:16] <brainwash> it's a mess
[22:18] <Unit193> When I was using pm-suspend I was on the generic kernel, now I'm back to liquorix, so that'll hit 12 once it's released.
[22:45] <slickymaster> night all
[22:47] <elfy> good night slickymaster 
[22:47] <slickymaster> hi elfy, how are you?
[22:47] <elfy> tired - should be asleep lol
[22:48] <slickymaster> :), yeah, that makes two of us
[22:48] <slickymaster> and tomorrow I'll have to wake up pretty early
[22:49] <slickymaster> I'll just finish one last thing at http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=playground:slickymaster and thn I'm off to bed
[22:49] <elfy> cool
[22:49] <slickymaster> and then ^^
[22:49] <elfy> I'm planning trusty from my point of view
[22:49] <elfy> or trying to get a start :)
[22:50] <slickymaster> I know, I've been paying attention 
[22:50] <elfy> :)
[22:50] <slickymaster> no need to say that I'm here for everything you might need, righ?
[22:50] <slickymaster> right
[22:50]  * slickymaster and is typing skills
[22:51] <elfy> no need to say so - I know I can shout :)
[22:51] <slickymaster> :)
[22:52] <slickymaster> and as far as I've been able to get, you're going to be dealing with a plate full of tests
[22:52] <elfy> :)
[22:53] <slickymaster> I'm sure you'll cruise through the all storm
[22:53] <elfy> it's not the rerun of saucy I'm thinking about, but the getting in testing for things that we hope to land :)
[22:54] <slickymaster> yeah, I know what you mean
[22:55] <slickymaster> but I'm under the impression that the autopilot tests will take a more important role this next cycle, at least with Xubuntu, but I might be misunderstanding it
[22:56] <elfy> not looking that way from where I'm sitting at the moment I'm afraid 
[22:58] <elfy> anyway - good night all :)