[06:29] <auscompgeek> oh yeah, I was going to mention this a while back, but forgot
[06:30] <auscompgeek> wubi doesn't have Ubuntu GNOME in its list of Ubuntu flavours, but it does install after adding it in
[09:32] <x-Na_> Hello, is there anyone awake?
[09:33] <x-Na> I finally got around investigating my problem with gnome-shell crashing when changing users, as this is a multiuser computer.
[09:33] <x-Na> And it seems that whenever I change from LightDM to GDM, it causes the gnome-shell of the first logged in user to crash
[09:34] <x-Na> ...when user is switched
[09:34] <x-Na> This does not happen when running same setup in Virtualbox, though
[09:34] <x-Na> So first thought I get is that it is a combination of GDM and NVidia drivers, probably
[09:36] <x-Na> I haven't found any relative bugs from launchpad, though. The problem is that it is REALLY hard to find any help with a multiuser setup, seems almost that it is not very common for people to run multiuser setups
[09:37] <x-Na> But anyways, I want to file a bug about this, but I'd appreciate any help so that I get all the necessary information along so that it won't get just closed as invalid etc
[16:55] <cxexa> Hi all. Are the instructions here the best way to go about checking out 3.10 on a fresh Ubuntu Gnome install?  http://www.webupd8.org/2013/09/how-to-install-gnome-310-in-ubuntu-1310.html
[16:55] <cxexa> short version: still need to add next and staging PPAs?
[17:39] <roasted> I'd be so happy to help answer if people would stick around long enough :(
[17:58] <teemperor> roasted: it's hard
[17:58] <teemperor> :)
[18:18] <MaverickPT> hi
[18:22] <x-Na> roasted, well I've been here all day after I explained my situation :D
[18:27] <teemperor> hi MaverickPT
[18:27] <teemperor> x-Na: and it got solved? :)
[18:28] <MaverickPT> was just wondering how long each release is supported until but I found it all by myself
[18:29] <MaverickPT> you guys running 13.10 yet?
[18:31] <teemperor> MaverickPT: sticking on the LTS :)
[18:45] <x-Na> teemperor, nobody answered anything :)
[18:45] <teemperor> x-Na: that's sad, what's your problem?
[18:46] <x-Na> Switching to GDM cause the gnome-shell of the first logged user to crash (disappear completely, leaving desktop unusable) when switching users
[18:46] <x-Na> Happens on 3.8 and 3.10
[19:18] <x-Na> ...and silence again...
[19:19] <x-Na> I am suspecting that at some point I will have explain to my wife why we do not use windows. And this does not really improve the situation...
[19:20] <x-Na> +to
[19:20] <SonikkuAmerica> x-Na: GDM knocks off a current session? How?
[19:20] <SonikkuAmerica> One second...
[19:20] <x-Na> session stays, but gnome-shell crashes and leaves an empty white backgound
[19:20] <teemperor> x-Na: you can ping people :)
[19:21] <teemperor> x-Na: sometimes people get busy anf forget stuff :D
[19:21] <x-Na> i know
[19:21] <x-Na> with kids and all
[19:21] <teemperor> x-Na: using another greeter? lightdm has a lot of nice ones
[19:22] <x-Na> hbut
[19:22] <x-Na> lock screen works only with gdm, right?
[19:22] <x-Na> wife was wondering where it had gone
[19:22] <x-Na> hence this situation
[19:22] <teemperor> x-Na: AFAIK it uses the gnome lockscreen even with lightdm
[19:22] <x-Na> 3.8 does not
[19:23] <x-Na> earlier the situation was different
[19:23] <x-Na> It seems to have changed from 3.8 onwards
[19:24] <x-Na> I would use 3.10 but it needs GDM
[19:24] <x-Na> works like a charm as long as there is only one user logged on
[19:24] <x-Na> cant reproduce on virtualbox
[19:25] <x-Na> And I am losing my battery on my phone.
[19:27] <teemperor> x-Na: hmm, weird
[19:27] <teemperor> i'm using 3.4
[19:27] <teemperor> kinda
[19:29] <x-Na> With 3.6 there were problems with GDM too, it had problems, but it worked in sense of logging and switching users
[19:29] <x-Na> But as I said, usually multiuser setups get neglected, IMHO
[19:29] <teemperor> x-Na: as the guy making the pantheon-greeter
[19:29] <teemperor> yes
[19:29] <teemperor> priority is low
[19:29] <teemperor> :(
[19:30] <x-Na> Which is sad, though
[19:30] <teemperor> x-Na: yeah, multi-user systems with graphical display are not thaat common
[19:30] <x-Na> I wouldn't want to switch to Windows for reasons like this, have been GNU/Linux only since 2004.
[19:30] <teemperor> that*
[19:30] <x-Na> But in 2004 things worked
[19:30] <x-Na> What happened in these 9 years
[19:31] <teemperor> x-Na: true, so much stuff gets broken
[19:31] <teemperor> x-Na: i would say: use elementary OS but you were already in #elementary because of bugs ;)
[19:31] <teemperor> and it's not my job to play the advocate in a gnome channel. Just helping out because it seems that gnome-ubuntu is low on manpower
[19:32] <x-Na> I fell in love with Linux almost instantly, when I started back in 1998
[19:32] <teemperor> btw, is the bug also happening on other distros?
[19:32] <teemperor> fedora? arch or something?
[19:32] <x-Na> I haven't tried
[19:32] <x-Na> As I have only one desktop-pc that needs to work
[19:32] <teemperor> if you have another system, you can push that bug to the gnome devs (instead of the gnome-ubuntu devs)
[19:32] <x-Na> And I really do not want to go rpm
[19:33] <teemperor> nobody wants, rpm is fugly
[19:33] <teemperor> you could try debian :)
[19:33] <x-Na> It does not have 3.10
[19:33] <x-Na> I switched to ubuntu back in the old days as it got me the latest Gnome faster
[19:33] <teemperor> yeah, not the latest, but you enjoy stability :)
[19:34] <teemperor> ubuntu turned the non-LTS to a beta-test thingy
[19:34] <x-Na> Well
[19:34] <x-Na> No comment on that
[19:34] <x-Na> So far everything else has worked
[19:34] <x-Na> But as they focus on Unity...
[19:34] <x-Na> Which just does not appeal to me at all
[19:35] <x-Na> Debian might have 3.8, though
[19:36] <x-Na> but I don't want to go through the hassle of installing and reinstalling just for test...
[19:38] <x-Na> I did file a bug, but let's see what happens
[19:39] <teemperor> x-Na: gnome bugtracker?
[19:41] <x-Na> No, ubuntu-bug
[20:07] <Ben10> hi where do i report a bug on the latest ISO
[20:12] <Ben10> if anyone sees this later, the entire X Window System freezes when columns are dragged in GNOME System Monitor.  This affects the 64 and 32 bit versions
[22:26] <carlosmtnz> hi