[09:13] <constrictor> my keyboard keeps defaulting to US, even though I have removed it from my keyboard applet thing
[09:24] <mungbean> http://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/nov/01/snowden-nsa-files-surveillance-revelations-decoded#section/6
[10:07] <Myrtti> new phone day!
[10:08] <GentileBen> Did you get the Nexus 5? :o
[10:08] <Myrtti> yes.
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> \o/ n5
[10:08] <Myrtti> still waiting for Parcelforce though
[10:09] <GentileBen> Oh you're also in the UK.
[10:09] <GentileBen> You sure it'll arrive today? Mine's still at the depot.
[10:10] <Myrtti> parcelforce claims the car has left Cambridge depot
[10:10] <GentileBen> Dispatched on Thursday, arrived at regional depot on Friday, arrived at local depot today at 5am.
[10:10] <GentileBen> Hmm you should get it today then.
[10:10] <GentileBen> Y U NO GET UBUNTU FONE??!! D:
[10:14] <Myrtti> GentileBen: well I'm flashing my old phone with Ubuntu Touch as soon as I can confirm the Nexus 5 works
[10:14] <Myrtti> I was also poor as a church mouse when the pledges were collected
[10:16] <GentileBen> Mice have no currency - they barter with their babies.
[10:16] <GentileBen> Did you get the black or white model?
[10:16] <GentileBen> I got the white, because I'm moving up in the world.
[10:17] <Myrtti> black, did consider white for a while but then realised I'll just be covering it up with a cover anyway so it doesn't really show anyway
[10:17] <GentileBen> There are broadly three groups who buy white phones: poor/lower-class people, girls, and managers.
[10:17] <GentileBen> I'm only one of those.
[10:17] <GentileBen> I'll leave it to others to guess which one.
[10:18] <GentileBen> Myrtti I did like the red bumper, but it's not on sale yet.
[10:18] <GentileBen> It's unlikely I'll be using a bumper anyway. I look after my phones like Snoop Dogg looks after his homies.
[10:19] <GentileBen> As an aside - I wish to god it had the same 5.2" screen and 3200mAh battery as the LG G2... :(
[10:19] <GentileBen> Actually it's 3000mAh.
[10:19] <GentileBen> N5 has only 2300mAh.
[10:19] <Myrtti> a van drives to our drive, our little meerkat is up and about to see if the animal in view is edible
[10:19] <GentileBen> And only 4.95" :(
[10:20] <GentileBen> You keep meerkats?
[10:20] <Myrtti> no, fiance works for CTM :-D
[10:20] <GentileBen> CTM?
[10:20] <Myrtti> compare the mee market
[10:20] <GentileBen> Does he do the voiceovers?
[10:21] <GentileBen> Motion capture?
[10:21] <Myrtti> no.
[10:21] <GentileBen> Oh yeah? Well I'm married to RAY WINSTONE.
[10:22] <Myrtti> first he was playing GTA5, then a van drives over, then he jumps up like a proper little meerkat to see if it's a parcelforce van.
[10:22] <Myrtti> poor thing
[10:22] <Myrtti> not every van can be the one bringing the phones
[10:22] <Myrtti> anyway
[10:23] <GentileBen> I do that when I have deliveries.
[10:23] <Myrtti> I already bought one case, the champagne gold coloured one, but I'm considering another with a clear back so I could stick something nice there
[10:23] <GentileBen> *hears diesel engine approaching* > *runs to street facing side of house* > *looks out window* > *is disappointed*
[10:24] <GentileBen> The worst looking phone on the market has to be the "gold" iPhone 5S.
[10:24] <mungbean> http://ubuntuone.com/1LCEePQqRNU5dcHrCPytiI
[10:24] <GentileBen> I honestly question why any man would buy an iPhone 5S. The screen is TINY for man-hands.
[10:24] <GentileBen> It's an ideal gift for ladies, though.
[10:25] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: are they maverick meerkats?
[10:26] <GentileBen> No, they work for the site Compere the Meerkat. It's a meerkat variety show.
[10:27] <mungbean> this one is MartijnVdS http://ubuntuone.com/1LCEePQqRNU5dcHrCPytiI
[10:27] <mungbean> fail, same link
[10:28] <mungbean> *this* one http://ubuntuone.com/6bESHVcMqqbrt3jbB2F704
[10:28] <GentileBen> This is MartijnVdS with his friends http://lostpr.es/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/wolrdcup-2006-fans-guardian.jpg?w=300
[10:28] <Myrtti> anyway - keeping in mind I'm proper disappointed at the lack of a Nexus 5 Yorkshire Tea case, I might just get http://www.amazon.co.uk/RELEASE-Selling-Absorption-Scratch-Premium/dp/B00ESFLIRC/ and stick a Yorkshire Tea box piece between
[10:29] <GentileBen> Why would you need a shock absorbing case?
[10:29]  * mungbean has tried to like tea, but its the most disgusting drink known to man
[10:29] <GentileBen> It's, erm, solid-state storage. No moving parts. IT'S A PHONE.
[10:29] <Myrtti> because I drop them?
[10:29] <Myrtti> and it's got glass screen?
[10:29] <mungbean> because i drop mine on concrete and it surivves
[10:29] <MartijnVdS> I just don't drop mine
[10:29] <MartijnVdS> weird, I know
[10:29] <Myrtti> I dropped my Nexus One and the back popped out a bit
[10:29] <mungbean> you replace yours too quickly..
[10:30] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: once every 2 years
[10:30] <mungbean> better than some people round here :)
[10:30] <Myrtti> I don't drop mine often, but often enough that I don't want to break it when I do
[10:30] <GentileBen> I've had my N4 for almost a year and not dropped it once.
[10:31] <GentileBen> I never dropped my S2 either.
[10:31] <GentileBen> Or my HTC Desire...
[10:31] <GentileBen> I've never dropped a phone on anything except carpet.
[10:31] <mungbean> i run across roads a lot
[10:31] <GentileBen> I've never dropped a baby either.
[10:31] <GentileBen> I believe the two are related.
[10:31] <GentileBen> People who drop phones cannot be trusted with babies.
[10:34] <mungbean> i generally dont put babies in my pocket
[10:34] <mungbean> what tool can i use to remove the watch strap pins?
[10:35] <Myrtti> pin
[10:35] <Myrtti> sewing pin, notice board pin
[10:36] <mungbean> too thin it seems
[10:36] <mungbean> time to hunt for paper clip
[10:37] <GentileBen> http://memegenerator.net/instance/9161321
[10:38] <mungbean> have you read the docs on that guardian article
[10:38] <mungbean> read the tor sucks one today
[10:39] <mungbean> GentileBen: why do you have "odd" nicknames on irc
[10:39] <GentileBen> Let's get real here. The only people who used Tor were third-world dissidents, paedophiles and general criminals.
[10:39] <GentileBen> Oh, and conspiracy theorists.
[10:39] <GentileBen> As if the government couldn't compromise Tor.
[10:40] <mungbean> i used tor to get a google music account when it was US only.
[10:40] <GentileBen> So you were using it as a proxy.
[10:40] <mungbean> yes
[10:40] <GentileBen> Tor isn't about privacy....it's about transient obfuscation.
[10:41] <GentileBen> Works well for dissidents, paedophiles etc. with transient identities online. Doesn't work for normal folk.
[10:41] <mungbean> most of the docs i read mention "GHCQ do this"
[10:41] <mungbean> GHCQ generally doing things better than NSA techincally wise
[10:41] <GentileBen> Germany, France etc. are just upset because GCHQ do it best.
[10:41] <GentileBen> We were so good, the NSA contracted us to do their dirty work for them.
[10:42] <GentileBen> I found Germany's outrage at Merkel's phone being tapped hilarious. I can guarantee you that the German sigint agency has tapped comms of other world leaders.
[10:42] <GentileBen> They were just upset because Merkel was stupid enough to use an unsecured phone to text other world leaders...
[10:43] <Myrtti> atleast I've not much heard of Sweden
[10:43] <mungbean> so i watched papillon last night, no wonder hoffman got chosen for rainman. last 20 mins of the film is the rainman character entirely
[10:43] <GentileBen> Myrtti: no doubt Sweden infiltrated the networks of European sauna makers.
[10:44] <Myrtti> GentileBen: all the Finnish traffic to outside world goes through sweden
[10:44] <GentileBen> Every country does it. The US and China are good because of scale and budget. North Korea, Saudi Arabia etc. are good because they're authoritarian regimes with no rights to speak of. GCHQ are good because of skill. Big difference.
[10:44] <Myrtti> and "The FRA law (FRA-lagen in Swedish) is a Swedish legislative package that authorizes the Swedish Defence Radio Authority to warrantlessly wiretap all telephone and Internet traffic that crosses Sweden's borders."
[10:44] <mungbean> strange that they run such old versions of windows inhouse
[10:45] <Myrtti> so...
[10:45] <GentileBen> Why can't we just celebrate the fact that the British SIGINT agency is easily the best in the world?
[10:45] <Myrtti> they've been politely quiet about their outrage
[10:45] <GentileBen> It's like the SIGINT Olympics and we've won most of the golds.
[10:47] <mungbean> my dog thinks its walkies time everytime i put on my trakkie bottons
[10:47] <mungbean> sitting there quivering and whining
[10:48] <spych102> sorry to interrupt this fascinating topic... but how do i order a Dell XPS 13 Developer edition in the UK?
[10:50] <GentileBen> http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/11/images-from-the-glorious-world-around-us-that-we-never-see/
[10:51] <Myrtti> spych102: http://www.dell.com/uk/business/p/xps-13-linux/pd.aspx?s=bsd
[10:52] <spych102> i did that and then it pressed select and then was told "it's not available online, please contact sales team"
[10:53] <spych102> which i did and the chap i spoke to couldn't help...
[10:53] <spych102> maybe i should just order a german one...
[10:54] <GentileBen> Don't - it'll end up in Poland.
[10:54] <spych102> huh?
[10:55] <GentileBen> War joke. Nevermind.
[10:55] <spych102> that joke got tired like 40 years ago lol
[10:55] <mungbean> :-|
[10:56] <spych102> they are our friend now
[10:56] <spych102> ...or at least they think they are
[10:58] <spych102> anyway... any more thoughts on how to order one would be appreciate :-(
[10:58] <spych102> :-)
[10:59] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:59] <mungbean> you chatted onine to dell or request callback
[10:59] <spych102> request call back
[11:00] <spych102> the guy i spoke to was a bit confused but gave me his personal email and will get back to me during the work week so he was a really pleasant chap... but i'm sure these are available through some strange route..
[11:00] <mungbean> is this different? http://www.dell.com/uk/business/p/xps-13-l321x-mlk/pd
[11:00] <mungbean> http://www.dell.com/uk/business/p/xps-13-l321x-mlk/fs
[11:01] <spych102> yes it has a different processor (i5 instead of i7)
[11:02] <spych102> and i can't be arsed to install ubuntu...
[11:02] <spych102> just want it preinstalled
[11:02] <Myrtti> there's been rumours that they're upgrading it soon, but those rumours have been on for months
[11:04] <spych102> well the only upgrade that would count would be a better resolution screen...
[11:04] <mungbean> check the outlet
[11:04] <spych102> outlet? was ist das?
[11:07] <mungbean> #dell outlet innit
[11:09] <spych102> nicht moeglich
[11:10] <spych102> no matches in product category
[11:14] <mungbean> out of stock
[11:14] <mungbean> looking hopeful
[11:16] <spych102> ah well, my old lappy's got a german keyboard... i can put up with that...
[11:16] <spych102> what's a swapped Z and a Y between friends?
[11:17] <spych102> at least it's not french... (the keyboard, i have nothing against our snail eating friends)
[11:17] <mungbean> azerty!
[11:20] <spych102> c'est la vie, mes amis
[11:23] <mungbean> my baby only burps after milk if this is playing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgzS18Vktm0
[11:24] <mungbean> driving me insane
[11:26] <spych102> you're playing that to a baby? i'm calling social services...
[11:27] <constrictor> where are desktop launchers stored?
[11:27] <mungbean> unity? .desktop files
[11:28] <constrictor> yeah
[11:28] <constrictor> thanks
[11:28] <constrictor> anyone use eclipse?
[11:28] <constrictor> the menu think does not show up
[11:31] <popey> morning
[11:32]  * penguin42 yaaaaawwwwwwwnnnns at popey
[11:32] <popey> nice lie in ☻
[11:33] <mungbean> bah need to go buy bread
[11:35] <penguin42> G+ really needs to start sorting posts properly - it's just put Popey's 'Friday 1st November' post to the top of my list
[11:35] <popey> it bubbles up popular ones doesnt it?
[11:35] <popey> like fb
[11:36] <penguin42> popey: It does? Hmm ok but then it's still ahead of your Riddling post that has more +'s and was posted later
[11:42]  * brobostigon upgrades his nexus7 to cm 10.2-m1 , fingers crossed.
[11:43] <popey> will nexus 7 get 4.4?
[11:43] <brobostigon> yes.
[11:43] <brobostigon> all models, as i understand it.
[11:43] <popey> not galaxy nexus
[11:43] <brobostigon> nope.
[11:45] <brobostigon> 4.3 definatly seems smoother compared to 4.2 on nexus7,
[11:52] <MartijnVdS> 4.4 is super smooth on the n5
[11:52] <mungbean> i bet
[11:53] <brobostigon> :)
[11:54] <penguin42> the release notes make a lot of fuss about being more careful with memory and some changes for responsiveness
[11:58] <popey> so i guess its a bit galling to see it not released for the phone that would benefit from that, the gnex
[12:04] <brobostigon> i reckon there will be a cm release of 4.4 for galaxy nexus, it isnt that old yet. and it fits the requirements.
[12:20] <GentileBen> It'll take a while.
[12:20] <GentileBen> CM is pretty US-centric for some reason.
[12:21] <GentileBen> Also, Android is now becoming Google Play, so underlying Android version is less important.
[12:22] <GentileBen> Google figured out how to bypass the carriers being cunts: giveplay.apk privs over the entire device and push updates over Play. Simples.
[12:22] <GentileBen> Also they're releasing components like the stock keyboard through Play.
[12:46]  * penguin42 does need to upgrade to something a bit more modern; my ZTE Blade is running cyanogenmod 7.x and there's no official newer version
[12:48] <mungbean> im stuck on CM7 too
[12:48] <penguin42> on what?
[12:54] <mungbean> htc desire
[12:57] <mungbean> bbc click chatting with woz today
[12:58] <mungbean> he still says "us" referring to apple
[13:05] <brobostigon> old habit dies hard.
[13:06] <shauno> joinnnn ussssss
[13:07]  * dwatkins also has a HTC Desire HD
[13:08] <dwatkins> in light of the fact Google's apps are forced upon you with Kitkat, I'm not bothered that I'm stuck on Gingerbread / CM7.2
[13:11] <Nafallo> pfff
[13:11] <mungbean> kate russell is explaining what a hashtag is
[13:12] <Nafallo> I've got the Galaxy S2, with Android 4.3.1
[13:12] <Nafallo> *shrugs*
[14:29] <MartijnVdS> Dear neighbors, I can understand that you and your friends are excited about getting married, but PLEASE STOP THE NOISE IT'S BEEN 3 HOURS
[14:29] <MartijnVdS> (of non stop engine revving, horn honking and drum beating)
[14:37] <ali1234> well at least they are not firing guns into the air
[14:38] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: only because they can't get them
[14:38] <MartijnVdS> they must have burned up one motorcycle back tyre
[14:44] <GentileBen> Myrtti did your N5 arrive?
[14:45] <Myrtti> not yet
[14:45] <GentileBen> Mine is still in the MK depot. :[
[14:45] <Myrtti> "Loaded to vehicle for delivery"
[14:45] <GentileBen> PARCELFORCE, Y U NO DISPATCH TO DRIVER
[14:48] <popey> Now TV box getting some love from Sophie watching kids stuff on iPlayer curled up on sofa
[14:59] <awilkins> What's the clock / calendar applet called? Mine has crashed and I can't be bothered to restart X.
[14:59] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: indicator-datetime/
[15:00] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: ^
[15:00] <MartijnVdS> but it's a dbus service
[15:00] <MartijnVdS> that should be automagically started
[15:00] <awilkins> Ah
[15:00] <awilkins> Ok, will probably just relog in a bit then
[15:01] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: try restarting unity
[15:01] <MartijnVdS> that might bring it back
[15:21] <mungbean> spent an hour opening bank statements etc from 2011 to present
[15:21] <mungbean> think im doing it wrong
[15:25] <mungbean> foudn my v5c form thought \o/
[15:26] <Myrtti> well bummer. http://www.parcelforce.com/help-information/frequently-asked-questions/track-parcel#9
[15:26] <Myrtti> oh well
[15:27]  * GentileBen shares his Maoam with MartijnVdS
[15:27] <MartijnVdS> your what?
[15:27] <GentileBen> Maoam
[15:27] <GentileBen> M-A-O-A-M
[15:27] <MartijnVdS> sounds dirty
[15:27] <mungbean> they are
[15:28] <mungbean> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/foodanddrinknews/6096788/Haribos-MAOAM-candy-criticised-for-sexual-sweet-wrappers.html
[15:28] <GentileBen> http://www.bmstores.co.uk/images/hpcProductImage/imgFull/257103-Maoam-Maomix-180g.jpg
[15:31] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: wow that's bad UI
[15:31] <Myrtti> no kiddin
[15:32] <GentileBen> I always assumed they had Maoam in Dutchovia.
[15:32] <brobostigon> GentileBen: they did in germany.
[15:35] <MartijnVdS> GentileBen: I'm not exactly a candy connoisseur
[15:35] <mungbean> i love sweets and crisps
[15:36] <GentileBen> MartijnVdS: I have no cheeses I can offer you.
[15:36] <GentileBen> Nor am I well-versed in the construction of windmills.
[15:36] <MartijnVdS> GentileBen: Stereotype much?
[15:36] <GentileBen> ...
[15:37] <GentileBen> And I thought you people had a sense of humour.
[15:37] <mungbean> GentileBen: you didn't answer my question earlier ;)
[15:39] <GentileBen> Que?
[15:40] <mungbean> why the "odd" freenode nicks.
[15:40] <mungbean> raycischarles and gentileben and other jew related ones..
[15:42] <GentileBen> Oh, that.
[15:42] <GentileBen> Does there need to be a rational reason?
[15:42] <GentileBen> Can't we just enjoy my brand of irreverant, risqué humour?
[15:43] <mungbean> maybe its over my head.
[15:44] <mungbean> all the crispinthejew and goy stuff
[15:45] <mungbean> wifey thinks i've had the day off cos she's had the toddler while 've had the 7 month old who occasionally sleeps :(
[15:45]  * mungbean wiped out
[15:46] <mungbean> need more haribo
[15:47] <GentileBen> Maoam is a subsiduary of Haribo Candy Concern.
[15:48] <mungbean> spotted a custard doughnut on the way to the haribo drawer
[15:48] <mungbean> i was just wondering what a psychiatrist would say about your humour ;)
[15:50] <mungbean> or is it psycotherapist, i never remember
[15:50] <MartijnVdS> psychopath?
[15:51] <GentileBen> Psychotherapist.
[15:51] <GentileBen> Sounds like a prisoner's nickname.
[15:51] <GentileBen> Psycho the Rapist!
[16:45] <MooDoo> afternoon all
[16:45] <MartijnVdS> hi mooman
[16:46] <MooDoo> didn't expect a lot of people in here....no one at bonfire parties?
[16:54] <MartijnVdS> does anyone have experience with wireless charging (Qi)?
[16:57] <shauno> MooDoo: it's a bit early for that?
[16:57] <MooDoo> shauno: you'd think so but I bet there are a lot of firework displays tonight
[16:57] <MooDoo> there are in our area
[17:09] <MooDoo> well at least i'm at work till 10 :S
[17:15] <shauno> still at work too.  but most our bonfires were last week
[18:10] <Myrtti> ooh ooh I just realised I had Dracula pills in my handbag
[18:10] <MooDoo> dracula pills?
[18:11] <Myrtti> salmiakki
[18:12] <Myrtti> http://www.salmiyuck.com/2010/09/dracula-piller.html
[18:14] <daftykins> erk
[18:17] <Myrtti> nomnom
[18:18] <Myrtti> I've just been told they're not crisps
[18:18] <Myrtti> and I shouldn't shove three into my mouth at once
[18:18] <daftykins> seems dubious advice
[18:18] <Myrtti> indeed
[18:22] <penguin42> Myrtti: You weren't mixing those in to the trick-or-treat were you?
[18:23] <Myrtti> penguin42: we escaped to cinema to see National Theatres Frankenstein on Thursday
[18:26] <directhex> Myrtti, that site is hosting malware, FYI
[18:27] <mgdm> mmmmm salmiakki
[18:27] <mgdm> I wonder if there's somewhere in Glasgow I can acquire that
[18:28] <Myrtti> directhex: oh
[18:28] <directhex> tells you your java is out of date, links you to a trojan'd fake java installer
[18:30] <daftykins> directhex: you must be special, i didn't get that :D
[18:31] <MartijnVdS> it's a blogspot site
[18:39] <shauno> no red flags here either
[18:49] <Myrtti> ok, mouth going numb now, stopping :-P
[18:49] <directhex> i think it's the ad network
[18:50] <directhex> clicksor.com
[18:50] <directhex> they're known for it
[19:46] <ilinux> Hi I have a question
[19:47] <daftykins> ask away!
[19:47] <ilinux> Does ubuntu have problems with High speed broadband from BT?
[19:47] <daftykins> nope
[19:48] <daftykins> sounds like you might have a wireless/wired network driver issue
[19:48] <daftykins> can you detail your system and what exactly is going wrong compared with what you expect?
[19:48] <daftykins> also someone else will have to answer as i'm in need of food \o/
[19:48] <ilinux> a colleague accuses me of killing her laptop after installing ubuntu and BT gave her a new high speed hub
[19:49] <ilinux> lol thanks no was what I was after lol
[19:50] <ilinux> She says and I quote " I can only get access to wifi at nighttime". How the hell would that work?
[19:50] <daftykins> lmao
[19:51] <daftykins> i demand you get to the bottom of that one! sounds hilarious
[19:51] <ilinux> Discrimination against linux at it's best :))
[19:51] <penguin42> ilinux: That's quite good, although there was a great bug where some printers wouldn't print on Tuesday's
[19:51] <ilinux> we'll let you browse the web but only once everyone else has gone to bed
[19:52] <ilinux> pmsl
[19:53] <ilinux> I hope it's not a wireless driver issue as it seemed to be ok before bt changed the hub
[19:53]  * penguin42 has seen things which wouldn't connect to some ap's but would to others
[19:54] <penguin42> ilinux: If you can force it to 2.4GHz rather than 5 I'd certainly try it
[19:54] <ilinux> It gets better btw. The line engineer told her that she couldn't stream LF because Linux couldn't stream so he installed Chrome.
[19:55] <penguin42> LF?
[19:56] <ilinux> when she told him she had been watching it before, he said and again I quote "that's illegal, you're obviously stealing your neighbour's bandwidth"
[19:56] <ilinux> Love Film with Campholio's fix
[19:56] <ali1234> i have a rule
[19:56] <ali1234> if you let BT monkeys touch your equipment, i won't fix it
[19:57] <ilinux> iches or cm?
[19:57] <ilinux> Nice one. Nor TT
[19:58] <ilinux> I refuse to phone TT about internet issues as they say and again "We don't support Leenux" When I say well how the hell have I been using it <click>
[19:59] <ali1234> why do you even tel them
[19:59] <ilinux> I don't usually. I say windows, get the response then ask hey what about Linux?
[20:01] <penguin42> ilinux: Say you just use it from a tablet - don't have any computers....
[20:01] <ilinux> true
[20:02] <ilinux> Does anyone have Ubuntu 12.4 running on BT high speed BB?
[20:03] <daftykins> "Hi, I'm having trouble with your service. I am using an etch-a-sketch connected to lego mindstorm kits which is driven by an arduino."
[20:03] <daftykins> s/is/are/
[20:05] <ilinux> lol
[20:05] <penguin42> daftykins: Have you tried clearing the display?
[20:05] <popey> evening
[20:06] <MooDoo> evening alan
[20:06] <daftykins> hi mr.popey
[20:07] <daftykins> i was somewhat confused when in Brighton the other day, to see in a local Maplin store a humongous box purported to be a 'raspberry pi starter kit'
[20:07] <ali1234> what is confusing about that?
[20:07] <daftykins> the box was 2 feet wide, by one high, by about 4 inches depth
[20:07] <ali1234> it has a keyboard in it
[20:08] <daftykins> it said a mini one :D
[20:08] <daftykins> i think the set was ~£90 too
[20:08] <ali1234> http://www.maplin.co.uk/raspberry-piandreg-board-and-starter-kit-652805
[20:08] <daftykins> 70-90ish
[20:08] <daftykins> ah full size
[20:08] <daftykins> well thanks for ruining the tale ali1234
[20:08] <daftykins> :D
[20:08] <ali1234> you do need quite a lot of stuff to make the raspberry pi useful
[20:08] <daftykins> it's more amusing that such a small board comes in such a box
[20:09] <ilinux> like a tv
[20:09] <ilinux> I have one in a matchbox in the cupboard
[20:10] <ilinux> I cut slits in a swanvesta box fot the ports
[20:10] <ali1234> http://www.maplin.co.uk/raspberry-pi-pro-kit-783586
[20:12] <daftykins> hrmm, a halogen bulb only lasted me 7 months
[20:12] <daftykins> seems a bit disappointing
[20:12] <ilinux> the kb has a button with Win written on it. Sould have a raspberry
[20:12] <daftykins> i wonder if those ancient porcelain fuse wire consumer boards cause blows more regularly
[20:14] <ilinux> Can I just rtn to my post please. Does it sound like an isp issue that she has with intermitent connection or a driver issue as she has 12.4 on a 5yr old laptop?
[20:16] <daftykins> if it's a laptop, can using a network cable be a good test to rule out wireless funkiness?
[20:17] <penguin42> yeh I like wires, you can see where the packets are going
[20:17] <penguin42> ilinux: As I say, I have seen wireless issues specific to combos of laptops and access point and distro, so yes it's possible
[20:20] <daftykins> yep cabling for the win
[20:25] <ilinux> Hope she doesn't want me to buy her a new laptop :(
[20:27] <ilinux> Can we all chip in?
[20:28] <penguin42> ilinux: If you can tell the hub to only do 2.4GHz you might have a better chance - but how does it fail?
[20:30] <ilinux> I don't know she was sketchy. but will speak to her more on Monday
[20:30] <penguin42> ilinux: Yeh so that's the important think to nail down; what's the problem exactly, can you gather any logs, and is it really wifi specific
[20:31] <daftykins> and try lovely cables
[20:31] <ilinux> Problem is I can't go to her house to check
[20:31] <daftykins> just a quick wired test would be wondrous compared with hours of wifi fiddling
[20:31] <ilinux> true
[20:31] <daftykins> can't invite yourself over? :D
[20:31] <daftykins> what made you reinstall someone elses system with Linux anyway 0o
[20:32] <daftykins> i'd never force it upon someone
[20:32] <ilinux> lol hours of fiddling might get in the way of finding the problem :P
[20:32] <daftykins> hence trying a cable is ace \o/
[20:32] <penguin42> ilinux: Do you have any remote access setup or anything where you can get any info from it?
[20:32] <ilinux> I love Linux. I have done it for about 30 satisfied people now
[20:33] <penguin42> ilinux: But family is hard!
[20:34] <ilinux> I'm also a masochist
[20:34] <penguin42> yes, that helps
[20:35] <shauno> tends to help if your victims are masochists too :/
[20:36] <ilinux> I only pick out the sadistic ones
[20:37] <ilinux> they give me more pain
[20:38] <shauno> today's lesson .. if you lose something that has velcro on it, it's stuck to a part of your body you can't see.
[20:40] <penguin42> ouch
[20:41] <daftykins> shauno: hahaha
[20:42] <mgdm> git checkout master
[20:42] <mgdm> errrr
[20:53]  * daftykins throws code at mgdm
[22:39] <GentileBen> Oh my god, Alan "dumbass" Shearer just said Aaron Ramsey's been the best player in the Premier League this season.
[22:39] <GentileBen> He's a terrible pundit and has no insight to offer - just clichés.
[22:40] <mgdm> Isn't he perfectly qualified, then?
[22:43] <GentileBen> Touché, mgdm.
[22:47] <ali1234> the thing about arsenal is they always try to walk it in
[22:51] <ali1234> is there a reason why unity-design mailing list hasn't seen a post for over a month?
[22:51] <ali1234> and what mailing list can i use to try to get some eyes on the dbusmenu problems?
[22:59] <Myrtti> ooh. https://plus.google.com/u/0/+AdeOshineye/posts/ZqAKmsMLM23
[23:06] <ali1234> sounds cool
[23:10] <shauno> the speakers list looks a bit odd so far
[23:11] <ali1234> never heard of any of them... why odd?
[23:13] <shauno> looking through http://www.ticosa.org/Site/Programme.html
[23:13] <shauno> perhaps it's just the descriptions, but only one, maybe two of them sound remotely ontopic
[23:13] <ali1234> yeah i was expecting when they said "ancient" code
[23:14] <ali1234> more like, "how to recover code from tape reels" and stuff
[23:14] <ali1234> not "how to deal with the spaghetti code you wrote last thursday"
[23:19] <AlanBell> oh, I was expecting a bit more cobol era stuff
[23:20] <ali1234> kids today...
[23:20] <AlanBell> not stuff found in version control history
[23:27] <mgdm> I've seen him speaking a couple of times
[23:28] <mgdm> (including a conference I helped organise)
[23:28] <mgdm> quite interesting, both times
[23:28] <shauno> who?
[23:28] <mgdm> Ade (the guy whose G+ account it was on)
[23:29] <mgdm> (He works on G+ alongside a couple of folk I know, FWIW)
[23:32] <penguin42> hmm, I've done actual stuff with *old* code and can be somewhere between interesting and disgusting
[23:35] <shauno> it sounds like an interesting topic, I think we just have differing ideas of "Archaeology"
[23:35] <penguin42> nod
[23:37] <penguin42> I've done a few projects where I've got dragged onto projects to resurrect them after the previous guy left maybe 18months earlier and you have to figure out how things work, and then find yourself tracking a bug down to a comment made 10 years earlier;   I've also had to do things like build ancient Motif on modern systems
[23:37] <shauno> eg, I was reading recently about how a few bugs in the lunar module's flight computer were caused by having two 400Hz AC power busses, but no-one ever specified that they should be in phase with each other.  but the software expected this
[23:38] <mgdm> did you see the thing about the PS1 recently?
[23:38] <mgdm> gamasutra.com/blogs/DaveBaggett/20131031/203788/My_Hardest_Bug_Ever.php
[23:40] <penguin42> shauno: Haha that's a great one
[23:43] <shauno> this one .. http://www.doneyles.com/LM/Tales.html
[23:44] <shauno> interesting read.  things like having to write it so that you can reboot at any stage and it'd pop right back where it left off
[23:44] <penguin42> mgdm: Bad story - it doesn't really tell you what happened!
[23:45] <mgdm> better than your story :P
[23:46] <shauno> funny enough, I got there from finding the source for the landing guidance on googlecode.  and finding the comment "temporary I hope hope hope" sat there 40 years later
[23:47] <penguin42> haha yes
[23:47] <penguin42> shauno: The transcripts from the Apollo missions are good - very much more like normal guys/engineers - lots of 'if I was building this damn thing...'