[05:21] <Kilos> morning all
[05:23] <Cantide> afternoon all~
[05:23] <Kilos> yo Cantide 
[05:23] <Cantide> yo :p
[05:23] <Cantide> hoe gannit?
[05:23] <Cantide> Lo
[05:23] <Cantide> :p
[05:24] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[05:24] <Cantide> i'm good :)
[05:24] <Cantide> sipping coffee in the internet cafe...
[05:24] <Kilos> enjoying the job?
[05:24] <Cantide> it's raining today
[05:24] <Cantide> yeah '-'
[05:24] <Cantide> getting easier and more fun, too
[05:24] <Cantide> how are things in SA?
[05:24] <Kilos> do they call you teach?
[05:25] <Kilos> things here pretty much the same, except everyone seems to be getting busier by the day
[05:25] <Cantide> i had a student who kept calling me sir last night
[05:25] <Cantide> drove me crazy
[05:28] <Kilos> hahaha
[05:28] <Kilos> you prefer him call you miss?
[05:28] <Cantide> hahahaha
[05:28] <Cantide> i dislike formal titles
[05:29] <Cantide> even being called "teacher" is annoying
[05:29] <Cantide> i have a name, use it :p
[05:29] <Kilos> thats part of the education system, gotta respect teacher
[05:30] <Cantide> sure
[05:30] <Cantide> there are other ways to show respect :)
[05:31] <Kilos> ya baas
[05:32] <Cantide> yes, chief
[05:32] <Cantide> haha
[05:32] <Kilos> haha
[05:32] <Kilos> si senor
[05:32] <Cantide> haha
[05:46] <Kilos> hiya nlsthzn howsit?
[05:49] <nlsthzn> alo uncle Kilos ... you up early
[05:49] <Kilos> no man its nearly 8am
[05:51] <nlsthzn> exactly
[05:52] <Kilos> oh, am i normally later?
[05:52] <Kilos> oh my
[05:56] <nlsthzn> dunno
[05:57] <nlsthzn> :p
[06:01] <Kilos> hehe
[06:01] <Kilos> all good there nlsthzn ?
[06:02] <Kilos> no ahab flue got you
[06:02] <Kilos> flu too
[06:07] <nlsthzn> nope
[06:07] <nlsthzn> and I start my leave today :D:D:D:D:D:D:D
[06:08] <Kilos> lekker
[06:08] <nlsthzn> so I am half asleep and very happy
[06:08] <Kilos> haha
[06:08] <Kilos> thats good, enjoy
[06:15] <nlsthzn> I must ... been a tough one this year...
[06:15] <Kilos> eish and next one most likely worse
[06:16] <Kilos> peeps just seem to get more and more work but no more time
[07:27] <Kilos> hi Xethron 
[07:31] <kbmonkey> greets o/
[07:31] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey 
[07:36] <kbmonkey> whats up doc?
[07:44] <Kilos> all same
[07:46] <Kilos> libreoffice writer is massive. weeks of reading and years before understanding seeps in
[07:46] <Kilos> all new words for things
[07:46] <Kilos> yo JoTraGo 
[07:47] <Kilos> hows you kbmonkey ?
[07:52] <kbmonkey> fine Kilos - had nightmares again. same old story.
[07:52] <kbmonkey> yes writer is massive phew
[07:52] <Kilos> oh my
[07:53] <kbmonkey> you know neil stephenson uses a text editor to write his books :p lol
[07:53] <Kilos> haha i used scribus and managed to make a cover
[07:53] <Kilos> but dunno how to get the cover to office writer
[07:53] <Kilos> who is he?
[07:55] <kbmonkey> he writes fiction. good books. wartime cryptoanalysis and hackers type stuff
[07:55] <Kilos> and covers?
[07:56] <Kilos> like with a pic on?
[07:57] <kbmonkey> yes man. when the story is finished it gets edited into formatting after.
[07:57] <Kilos> eish thats the hard part
[07:57] <kbmonkey> yes!
[07:58] <Kilos> i have my booklet but dunno how to do that stuff
[07:58] <Kilos> grrr
[07:58] <kbmonkey> you can read a very nice story he wrote about microsoft, apple and gnu linux here
[07:58] <kbmonkey> http://www.cryptonomicon.com/command.zip
[07:58] <Kilos> ask him to write one on how to write one
[07:58] <Kilos> hehe
[07:59] <Kilos> called command.zip?
[08:00] <Kilos> ai!
[08:00] <kbmonkey> yes
[08:00] <kbmonkey> "in the beginning was the command line"
[08:00] <kbmonkey> that is wahat it is called
[08:00] <kbmonkey> 80kb
[08:01] <Kilos> haha i have it here ty
[08:01] <Kilos> 81KB
[08:01] <kbmonkey> yw. I think you will like it. It also talks about cars.
[08:01] <Kilos> lol
[08:01] <Trixar_za> In the beginning was sex change operations
[08:01] <Kilos> no time to read anything but writer how to
[08:02] <kbmonkey> what does that have to do with the price of apples Trixar_za ? :P
[08:02] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za whats happening with you os
[08:02] <kbmonkey> when you take a break from the writer docs Kilos 
[08:02] <Trixar_za> I still have to work on it
[08:02] <Trixar_za> Been messing with an IRCd instead
[08:02] <Kilos> what you been doing?
[08:02] <Trixar_za> It uses the same base as what freenode is running actually
[08:02] <Kilos> whats ircd
[08:03] <Trixar_za> IRC daemon - It's the IRC Server
[08:03] <Kilos> oh
[08:03] <Kilos> you dont like freenode?
[08:03] <Trixar_za> No, I just don't like some of the things the IRCd does
[08:03] <Trixar_za> so I'm messing with it
[08:04] <Kilos> you must chat to charl he is doing something to do with a secure irc something or other
[08:04] <Trixar_za> It's one of the fun parts about open source code
[08:04] <Trixar_za> :P
[08:04] <Kilos> and he needs recomendations he said
[08:04] <Kilos> or help
[08:10] <Trixar_za> It's just not flexible enough
[08:11] <Trixar_za> I can't change around modes or even op symbols without breaking it
[08:11] <Trixar_za> I need something else
[08:11] <Kilos> eish
[08:12] <Kilos> there are peeps in durbs looking for a clever guy
[08:13] <Kilos> ai! ticked wrong thing
[08:14] <kbmonkey> lol, click click click
[08:15] <Kilos> i forget i dont have mail open then open it on top of xchat and try kill it quick and end up killing xchat too
[08:15] <Trixar_za> Yeah, like Bill Gates didn't steal the idea with Unix
[08:15] <Kilos> sigh
[08:16] <Trixar_za> or Unix's predecessors
[08:18] <Trixar_za> I kind of doubt I'll finish this
[08:18] <Trixar_za> I couldn't even finish one of Neal Stephenson's books
[08:19] <Trixar_za> He tends to make reality breaking errors in his stories - like he didn't research it properly
[08:19] <Trixar_za> So I instantly doubt most things he authors :P
[08:20] <kbmonkey> nothing in this world comes without a little imagination Trixar_za 
[08:20] <Kilos> oh yes
[08:20] <Kilos> office writer
[08:21] <Trixar_za> Yes, but that's like saying the genius that wrote Hackers (which the movie is based on) did great work in his research. He didn't and I could barely finish the book, much less the movie. Actually the movie was easy because it had Angelina Jolie in it
[08:22] <Kilos> lol
[08:22] <Trixar_za> Imagination can only get you so far. And it gets you slaughtered in Science Fiction
[08:24] <Trixar_za> It's also not a straight forward story about how OSes came into being. Depending on where you start and what you define as an OS, it can have very different beginnings.
[08:43] <Kilos> ai! footers headers landscape stuff
[08:43] <Kilos> sigh
[08:43] <Trixar_za> http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/hacker-history/hacker-history-3.html
[08:43] <Trixar_za> Got me reading it again
[08:43] <Trixar_za> lol
[08:45] <Kilos> kbmonkey, why dont they just say cover page instead of all the funny stuff
[08:45] <kbmonkey> Trixar_za, many technologies today were just imaginings in science fiction, including space flight, laptops and computers built into your eyewear. Don't tell me imagination can only get you so far! ;}
[08:46] <Kilos> i must go back to my school and ask for my money back
[08:46] <kbmonkey> it is the basis of science fiction
[08:46] <Kilos> they didnt teach me this modern language
[08:46]  * Kilos loves scifi books
[08:46] <kbmonkey> what funny stuff do they say instead of cover page Kilos ?
[08:47] <Trixar_za> Yeah, but Neal Stephenson has a post-apocalyptic world where Apartheid is still strong and is even one of the 'groups' in the city our courier friend lives in
[08:47] <Kilos> all the stuff about styles and that stuff. nowhere does it say your cover page
[08:48] <Trixar_za> Oh and she rides around on a skateboard while shooting a grappling gun at moving cars and trucks to get where she wants to go
[08:48] <Kilos> lol
[08:49] <kbmonkey> awe, just make your own cover page. big words, center page.
[08:49] <Trixar_za> This was around 1992 - but still, kind of a shitty 'future' he created
[08:49] <Kilos> thats energy saving in action
[08:49] <Kilos> i cant even make the big words man
[08:49] <Trixar_za> Although I was semi-pissed off at his portray of South Africans
[08:50] <kbmonkey> it is not post-apocalyptic, it is Dystopian / Orwellian
[08:50] <Trixar_za> Oh no, 1984 is a classic
[08:51] <kbmonkey> yup
[08:51] <Trixar_za> Snow Crash was just bad
[08:51] <Trixar_za> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_Crash
[08:54] <Trixar_za> I still say Neuromancer is the best cyberpunk book ever written
[08:54] <kbmonkey> Kilos, you are looking for a cover page template in writer?
[08:54] <Trixar_za> Which, incidentally, did come out in 1984
[08:54] <kbmonkey> try your hand at making one
[08:54] <Trixar_za> :P
[08:54] <Kilos> yes kbmonkey 
[08:54] <Kilos> ai!
[08:55] <Kilos> 3 wodrs and a pic
[08:55] <Kilos> words
[08:55] <kbmonkey> 1984 was actually about 1948, if you never caught onto that.
[08:57] <Trixar_za> Most writers create some social commentary in their work
[08:57] <Trixar_za> Animal Farm was the same
[09:00] <Trixar_za> Actually, I'm pretty sure politics still works like that
[09:05] <kbmonkey> yes indeed.
[09:41] <charl_> good morning
[09:41] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[09:41]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[09:45] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[09:45] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[09:45] <Maaz> charl_: Sure
[09:55] <Kilos> hi charl_ 
[10:32] <Kilos> kbmonkey, im enjoying that book ty
[10:47] <charl_> hi Kilos 
[10:47] <charl_> Kilos: how's it going
[10:48] <Kilos> good ty and you charl_ 
[10:48] <Kilos> busy reading this http://www.cryptonomicon.com/command.zip
[10:48] <charl_> i'm good, just tired
[10:49] <charl_> cryptonomicon ?
[10:49] <Kilos> its a story
[10:49] <Kilos> 81KB book
[10:49] <charl_> interesting, don't have much time atm, got too much to do as it is
[10:49] <Kilos> text only
[10:50] <Kilos> haha
[10:52] <charl_> have been applying for a bunch of jobs the past week
[10:52] <charl_> i'm learning a lot
[10:53] <charl_> one company actually out-right turned me down because they don't believe they will be able to supply me with sufficient challenges in the long term
[10:53] <charl_> which happens to be 100% accurate too
[10:54] <Kilos> hehe
[10:54] <charl_> another commpany turned me down because i "seem to have a preference for linux" which they don't do
[10:54] <charl_> almost unbelievable you still get that in this day and age
[10:55] <charl_> it's a good thing they realise this by only looking at my cv because otherwise we would have wasted time
[10:55] <charl_> but yeah it blows my mind that you still get companies like that
[10:57] <Kilos> talk to Trixar_za he is also doing some irc thing
[10:57] <charl_> ???
[10:57] <charl_> irc thing?
[10:57] <Kilos> ircd i think it was
[10:58] <Kilos> too far to scroll back
[10:58] <charl_> oh he is setting up an irc server?
[10:58] <charl_> which day was it? i'll check in the logs
[10:58] <Kilos> just now
[10:58] <Kilos> wait i look
[10:58] <charl_> ok
[10:58] <charl_> lemme check
[10:59] <Kilos> Trixar_za> IRC daemon - It's the IRC Server
[10:59] <Kilos> 10.03 this morn
[10:59] <charl_> oh i see
[11:00] <charl_> yeah just read the logs
[11:00] <charl_> i fiddled with bahamut a long time ago (like 10 years ago)
[11:00] <charl_> i laughed at some of the comments in the code
[11:00] <charl_> like "what type of pot have you been smoking" as a comment from one developer to another
[11:00] <charl_> bahamut is the ircd that dalnet is/was running
[11:00] <Kilos> hehe
[11:01] <charl_> http://www.dal.net/?page=Bahamut
[11:01] <charl_> "Bahamut is a UNIX-based Internet Relay Chat Daemon (IRCd) designed for DALnet, one of the major IRC networks in the world. Bahamut replaced DALnet's old ircd, DreamForge at some point in the early 2000's.
[11:01] <charl_> i think ircd was the original irc server or something
[11:02] <Kilos> freenode is ok for me to get here
[11:02] <Kilos> i dont fiddle in it
[11:02] <Kilos> and runs pretty reliably
[11:03] <charl_> yeah freenode is very solid
[11:04] <charl_> i've been looking at this the other day: http://www.atheme.net/
[11:04] <charl_> it's the one pirateirc is using
[11:04] <Trixar_za> That's the services charl_
[11:04] <charl_> yeah i know Trixar_za 
[11:04] <charl_> i can read :)
[11:05] <charl_> but they also seem to have an interesting web interface to services
[11:05] <Trixar_za> Freenode uses ircd-seven, which is a fork of charybdis, which itself is a fork of ratbox-ircd
[11:05] <Trixar_za> I've come to hate it, because I was using a fork of a fork of a fork of ratbox-ircd myself
[11:05] <charl_> lol a fork of a fork of a fork
[11:06] <Trixar_za> and it wouldn't do what I wanted
[11:06] <charl_> that's open source for you all right :P
[11:06] <charl_> i set up bahamut (i think) together with this a number of years ago: http://achurch.org/services/
[11:06] <charl_> worked pretty well but it was a very small network
[11:06] <charl_> are you running / looking to set up a network or just fiddling ?
[11:07] <Trixar_za> Elemental-IRCd --> ShadowIRCd (now defunct) --> Charybdis IRCd --> Ratbox-IRCd
[11:07] <Trixar_za> And I was forking Elemental too
[11:08] <Trixar_za> So... a fork of fork of a fork of a fork
[11:08] <Trixar_za> :P
[11:08] <charl_> heh
[11:08] <Trixar_za> I'm running a network, but I want something a little more configurable than Elemental-IRCd
[11:09] <Trixar_za> And when I mean configurable, I mean something that doesn't crash if I move around channel modes
[11:09] <charl_> interesting, is it a public or private network?
[11:09] <Trixar_za> public
[11:10] <charl_> url?
[11:10] <Trixar_za> rock.gigirc.com
[11:10] <Trixar_za> The website is a bit crappy
[11:10] <Trixar_za> But that link should give you the webchat interface
[11:10] <Trixar_za> Another one of the Atheme projects called Iris
[11:11] <charl_> oh i see, you are also in fact running iris as a web client
[11:12] <charl_> very nice
[11:12] <charl_> nice that it also has services integration
[11:12] <charl_> cool side project
[11:13] <charl_> whaha the channel list in iris looks like a tag cloud
[11:18] <Trixar_za> And the bigger the tag, the more people is in it
[11:24] <charl_> yeah, figured as much
[11:36] <Kilos> hi Private_User 
[12:01] <charl_> lol
[12:02]  * Symmetria waves from the lounge at jfk 
[13:03] <Private_User> yo 'sup Kilos
[13:04] <Kilos> all same here and there
[13:37] <charl_> hi Symmetria 
[13:37] <charl_> how's the traveling going, jetlag yet?
[13:40] <charl_> by the way, past week i upgraded to ubuntu 13.10 at work, big mistake
[13:40] <charl_> did a standard do-release-upgrade and everything worked perfectly except vmware choked on the new kernel
[13:41] <charl_> reinstalled 13.04 - again could not get vmware running
[13:41] <charl_> previously, installed vmware under 12.10 and then upgraded to 13.04 but had no trouble whatsoever
[13:42] <charl_> thought "ok screw this" and installed debian 7 - went without a hitch and installed vmware no prob
[13:43] <charl_> all from a flash drive and grub installed perfectly with my uefi chipset (ubuntu 12.04 lts failed)
[13:44] <charl_> using gnome3 without any problems (no crashes like last year under ubuntu 12.04) and overall it's very fast too
[13:45] <charl_> although, i should add, unity in 13.10 is also looking pretty good
[13:46] <Kilos> whats the diffs charl_ ?
[13:46] <charl_> differences with what? unity?
[13:46] <Kilos> 13.04 wasnt better than 12.04
[13:46] <Kilos> ya
[13:47] <Kilos> i didnt enjoy 13.04
[13:48] <charl_> not sure what the *exact* differences are, just overall (speed, stability) much improved from 13.04
[13:48] <Kilos> ah
[13:48] <charl_> gnome3, kde4 and unity all went through their "nightmare" years at first
[13:49] <charl_> i wouldn't mind just sticking to the lts release as my host operating system but 12.04 just refused to boot after installation
[13:50] <charl_> i think it has something to do with my relatively new chipset and uefi
[13:50] <Kilos> ouch
[13:50] <charl_> debian comes with an ancient kernel (running 3.2.0-4-amd64 now) so i don't have to worry about vmware breaking again
[13:51] <charl_> not that the fault lies with ubuntu, in this respect it's just vmware that doesn't keep itself up to date quickly enough
[13:52] <charl_> and with debian release cycles i am good to go for years ahead :D
[13:52] <Private_User> I am back
[13:52] <charl_> wb Private_User 
[13:52] <Private_User> am now connected using Xubuntu
[13:52] <Kilos> wb Private_User 
[13:52] <Kilos> what you fixed
[13:52] <Kilos> well done
[13:53] <Private_User> well I am testing the Xubuntu, last night I tested Ubuntu and Lubuntu
[13:53] <Kilos> i think it has synaptic preinstalled hey?
[13:53] <Private_User> this machine was a bit slow with ubuntu but I guess its because of the 512MB ram
[13:54] <Private_User> Lubuntu worked fine though
[13:54] <Kilos> you tested them on basic install or after update/upgrade
[13:54] <Private_User> on the basic
[13:54] <charl_> with half a gig on a live cd, that's indeed pushing it
[13:54] <Kilos> you find most ubuntu's speed up after updating
[13:55] <Private_User> ok but I am running them installed on the HDD
[13:55] <Kilos> hehe i also said 512m was min
[13:55] <charl_> yeah that's still pushing it
[13:55] <charl_> we are almost in 2014 after all
[13:55] <Kilos> x and lubuntu should be the best for min ram
[13:55] <Private_User> except I could not get the Kubuntu installed
[13:55] <Kilos> aw what happened?
[13:55] <Private_User> something to do with the partioning I think
[13:56] <Private_User> so I just tested on the live CD
[13:56] <Kilos> its different hey
[13:56] <charl_> if you really want to go minimalist you should install openbox
[13:56] <Kilos> but lekker once you used to it
[13:56] <Private_User> yeah but seems like 512 is min for that as well
[13:56] <charl_> that's about as compact as you can go, unless if you switch to a tiling window manager
[13:57] <Private_User> I will keep them for when I setup my Laptop which has 2GB ram
[13:57] <Kilos> that will be better
[13:57] <Kilos> but your desktop will be fine with more ram
[13:57] <Private_User> so you guys advice that I should use either L or X for this desktop?
[13:58] <charl_> or fluxbox, that's another good one
[13:58] <Private_User> since I only have 512MB ram
[13:58] <Kilos> only if you not gonna get more ram
[13:58] <charl_> lubuntu is afaik the most minimalist unless if you go openbox or fluxbox
[13:58] <Private_User> yeah I doubt I will be getting ram any time soon
[13:58] <charl_> are you installing on an old netbook or something?
[13:58] <Kilos> ya then use l or x
[13:59] <Kilos> old desktop
[13:59] <charl_> ah, yeah that's like 10 years old :P
[13:59] <Private_User> ok so now to decide between the 2
[13:59] <charl_> i say lubuntu
[14:00] <charl_> advised it to one of my colleagues as well for a really old laptop
[14:01] <Private_User> ok cool thanks for the advice, now I am leaning towards L
[14:02] <Kilos> with ubuntu you can later install the other gui's if im not mistaken
[14:02] <Kilos> like for unity you install ubuntu-desktop
[14:03] <Kilos> and kubuntu its kubuntu-desktop
[14:03] <Kilos> then you get to choose at boot time which one you want to use
[14:04] <Kilos> but go with lubuntu till you get more ram
[14:06] <Private_User> ok I will do that, and will I be able to use it for doing a little development as well?
[14:06] <Kilos> yes
[14:06] <Private_User> excellent
[14:06] <Kilos> you just gotta update/upgrade
[14:06] <Kilos> what do you want to develope
[14:08] <Private_User> cool now I am wondering if I will need Windows, cause I plan on installing ubuntu on my laptop
[14:10] <Kilos> you can install it alonsdie windows for starters till you used to it
[14:11] <Kilos> then choose on boot
[14:12] <Kilos> the advantage of desktops over lappies charl_  is you can add more dives inside
[14:13] <Kilos> and lotsa usb ports
[14:13] <Kilos> and no stupid mouse thing
[14:13] <Kilos> scroll pad or whatever its called
[14:14] <Private_User> lol
[14:14] <Private_User> touchpad dude
[14:14] <Private_User> :D
[14:14] <Kilos> ya that horrible thing
[14:15] <Kilos> and weak keyboards
[14:16] <Kilos> Private_User, what do you use windows for?
[14:16] <Kilos> im sure ubuntu has all the tools and more
[14:16] <Kilos> only gaming is behind on linux
[14:17] <Private_User> well when I purchased the Laptop thats the OS it came with so I never bothered to change
[14:17] <Kilos> oh so you dont really need it
[14:17] <Kilos> you not into it so deep you have no choice
[14:18] <Private_User> yeah and  now I wanna go full Open Source
[14:18] <Kilos> the do the best cure for all windows probs
[14:18] <Kilos> boot from and install ubuntu
[14:20] <Private_User> but maybe I will just do as you say make Ubuntu my Default OS and if there comes a need to use it then I have it
[14:20] <Private_User> although for now I cannot see a reason
[14:21] <Kilos> you can also run windows in a virtualbox in ubuntu
[14:21] <Kilos> need a fast pc though
[14:22] <Private_User> oh yes that is another plan thanks
[14:29] <Kilos> if you think you might need windows you install ubuntu alongside ang squeeze windows to 20 or 30 of the drive
[14:30] <Kilos> but if you go only ubuntu then partition the drive into root boot and home partitions
[14:31] <Kilos> then when you go to next release or need to do a reinstall you dont format /home and you keep all your settings and stuff
[14:32] <Kilos> and data
[14:37] <Private_User> ok thanks will do
[14:43] <Private_User> btw how much space would you recommend for root, boot and Home?
[14:43] <Kilos> how big is your drive?
[14:44] <Private_User> cause I have now decided that I will use Lubuntu on this dektop, no windows
[14:44] <Private_User> its a 80GB
[14:44] <Kilos> root 30g
[14:44] <Kilos> boot 1g or leave out /boot and it will go in with /root
[14:45] <Private_User> ok and the rest home?
[14:46] <superfly> I don't ever bother partitioning, I just go with the default... life is too short to worry about that
[14:46] <Kilos> ya rest /home or you can make a piece at the end /storage for backups and where you save packages
[14:46] <Kilos> lol
[14:46] <Kilos> hi superfly 
[14:47] <Private_User> ok cool I am gonna do it but what about swap?
[14:47] <superfly> 1 gig
[14:47] <Private_User> should I partion it at the begining of the drive or in the middle?
[14:47] <Kilos> if you install without partitioning it makes its own swap
[14:48] <superfly> automatic usually makes swap in the extended partition
[14:48]  * superfly goes to start the braai
[14:48] <Kilos> yum
[14:48] <Private_User> :D I like it braai
[14:49] <Kilos> yeah
[14:49] <Private_User> don't forget to pour a shot... LOL
[14:49] <Kilos> he dont drink
[14:49] <Kilos> nor me
[14:49] <Private_User> ok cola and a smile then ;)
[14:49] <Kilos> but im too old thats why
[14:50] <Kilos> stopped when i waa about 28 i think
[14:51] <Private_User> brb gonna log off from the desktop cause I am gonna redo the system with Lubuntu using your advice
[14:52] <Kilos> cool good luck. ill be here
[14:54] <Private_User> back
[14:55] <Kilos> wb
[14:55] <Kilos> on winsucks again
[14:55] <Kilos> hehe
[14:55] <Private_User> thanks
[14:55] <Private_User> lol yeah
[14:56] <Kilos> btw how did you find this channel
[14:56] <Kilos> someone asked last night how peeps get here and i didnt know
[14:57] <Private_User> on the Ubuntu site
[14:57] <Kilos> aha
[14:57] <Private_User> but wish I found it earlier
[14:58] <Private_User> cause for that 13.10 install I struggle alot
[14:58] <Kilos> how did you get to hear about ubuntu?
[15:00] <Private_User> well I was interested in Linux for a while but never go around to getting or installing it and also could not decide on which distribution. I mainly chose Ubuntu because it had some South African roots
[15:01] <Private_User> and many say its the best for beginners
[15:02] <Private_User> and would you believe it, I had version 8 sitting on this machine for a while and never got around to install well I did on a virtual box but never really used it
[15:03] <Kilos> hahaha i got given 8.04 from a neighbour that musta gotten mad at my complaints about tindows
[15:03] <Kilos> windows
[15:03] <Private_User> lol
[15:03] <Private_User> yeah most of us were just forced to use it since all new machine came with it and most companies use it as well
[15:04] <Kilos> but couldnt get it to work with 3g so then i started searching for help and was given 8.10 and the repos
[15:04] <Private_User> btw where should I position the swap and boot partition? at the begining of the drive or after the root partition?
[15:05] <Kilos> and since then i use windows to use up bad sectors in the beginning of old drives and install ubuntu alongside
[15:05] <Kilos> i make / then /swap then /home
[15:05] <Private_User> and /boot?
[15:06] <Private_User> or will it not make a difference?
[15:06] <Private_User> if its seperate that is
[15:06] <Kilos> oh my
[15:06] <Kilos>   /root /boot /swap /home
[15:07] <Private_User> thanks I am performing the install now
[15:07] <Kilos> cool
[15:08] <Kilos> just remember if you install without partitioning sometime the you can use a command to save your /home to a stick or another drive or so
[15:09] <Kilos> because its painful to do a clean install and have to setup everything from scratch
[15:09] <Kilos>   /home remembers everything
[15:10]  * Symmetria waves from 30 thousand feet up in the air
[15:10] <Private_User> thanks
[15:11] <Kilos> isnt that illegal Symmetria ?
[15:11] <Symmetria> kilos lol nope, inflight wifi between nyc and sfo
[15:12] <Kilos> aha
[15:12] <Kilos> not like cellphones
[15:12] <Symmetria> its actually bloody fast
[15:45] <Kilos> Private_User, cant still be installing
[15:45] <Kilos> oh maybe
[15:45] <Private_User> lol nope just completed
[15:45] <Private_User> now I am gonna wait for after 00:00 and install all the update
[15:45] <Kilos> with 1.5g ram it takes 25 mins to install 12.04
[15:46] <Kilos> ok save these commands
[15:46] <Kilos> sudo apt-get update
[15:47] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install aptitude
[15:47] <Kilos> in some aptitude is installed
[15:47] <Kilos> then sudo aptitude upgrade
[15:48] <Kilos> should be 3 or 400m of upgrades i think
[15:48] <Kilos> oh no
[15:48] <Kilos> you have 12.04.3
[15:48] <Kilos> maybe 200m
[15:51] <Private_User> thanks
[15:51] <Kilos> np
[15:51] <Kilos> did you say you do, or want to do web design?
[15:52] <Private_User> this waiting for 00:00 to do installs a real drag
[15:52] <Private_User> I do web design
[15:52] <Private_User> well when I get the clients
[15:52] <Kilos> there must be lotsa tool sofr it
[15:52] <Private_User> times have been slow
[15:52] <Kilos> tools for
[15:53] <Kilos> Maaz, google web design apps for ubuntu
[15:53] <Maaz> Kilos: "Design and user experience | Ubuntu for phones | Ubuntu" http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/features :: "App Design Guides | Ubuntu Design" http://design.ubuntu.com/apps :: "Web design software - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/118520/web-design-software :: "Resources - 12 Indispensable Web Design Apps for Ubuntu | Think ..."
[15:53] <Maaz> http://thinkdesignblog.com/resources-12-indispensable-web-design-apps-for-ubuntu.htm :: "The new Ubuntu App Develope…
[15:53] <Kilos> you can go mad with ubuntu
[15:54] <Private_User> thank you Maaz
[15:54] <Kilos> you gotta say maaz ty
[15:54] <Kilos> or maaz thank you
[15:54] <Kilos> he be our bot
[15:54] <Private_User> Maaz thank you
[15:54] <Maaz> Private_User: Okay :-)
[15:54] <Kilos> and coffee maker
[15:56] <Private_User> lol ok
[15:56] <Private_User> brb
[15:56] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[15:56]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[15:56] <Kilos> now ask him coffee please
[15:57] <Kilos> only prob is cyber coffee dont help you stay up late
[16:00] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[16:00] <Kilos> Maaz, dankie
[16:00] <Maaz> Groot plesier Kilos my vriend
[16:18] <Private_User> cool stuff
[16:19] <Private_User> what els can Maaz do?
[16:19] <Private_User> *else
[16:19] <Kilos> lots
[16:19] <Kilos> he does the logs and links for our meetings
[16:19] <Private_User> Maaz, what can you do?
[16:19] <Maaz> Private_User: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff.
[16:19] <Maaz> Ask me "help me with ..." for more details.
[16:21] <Private_User> Maaz, thanks
[16:21] <Maaz> Private_User: Sure
[16:21] <Kilos>   and Maaz was written by some of our guys 
[16:21] <Kilos> in python and is in the ubuntu repos
[16:21] <Private_User> excellent
[16:21] <Kilos> we got the best
[16:22] <Kilos> they just busy most of the time so leave me to mislead peeps
[16:22] <Private_User> lol
[16:22] <Kilos> the fly is one of the kingpins here
[16:22] <Kilos> when he talks listen
[16:24] <Kilos> he knows more about software than braaing i think
[16:24] <Private_User> duly noted
[16:25] <Private_User> well I think I know enough not to burn the meat
[16:25] <Private_User> LOL
[16:25] <Kilos> lol
[16:25] <Kilos> and tumbles and drussel are ubuntu devs
[16:27] <Private_User> wow so we have some good help here when we need it
[16:27] <Kilos> and the crashkid is a master at sorting crashes but he is in the states now
[16:28] <Kilos> we got the best
[16:30] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn didnt see you sneak in
[16:30] <Kilos> sorry
[16:32] <Kilos> hi psychicist 
[16:32] <Kilos> whew im slack today
[16:32] <Kilos> too much office
[16:33]  * Symmetria glances out the window and at the in flight map and notes he is now right over milwaukee 
[16:34] <Kilos> what you doing there Symmetria 
[16:34] <Symmetria> going to see juniper
[16:34] <Symmetria> p brb they bringing me icecream
[16:34] <Kilos> lol
[16:34] <Symmetria> gotta eat that ;p haha
[17:13] <nlsthzn> alo
[17:13] <nlsthzn> again
[17:14] <Kilos> lol
[17:16] <nlsthzn> stupid children being annoying... we leopard crawling to catch them off guard...
[17:17] <Kilos> hahaha
[17:17] <nlsthzn> jumped out the sliding door and took pictures like crazy... they go running in all directions :p
[17:17] <nlsthzn> pity I can't shoot them with any kind of non lethal weapon
[18:09] <kbmonkey> hello again !
[18:28] <Kilos> yo
[18:35] <kbmonkey> yo yo
[18:35] <kbmonkey> \O/
[18:35] <kbmonkey>  |
[18:35] <kbmonkey> \\
[18:45] <kbmonkey> it is raining again!
[18:45] <kbmonkey> it is great
[19:13] <magespawn> Good evening all
[19:13] <Kilos> hiya magespawn 
[19:14] <magespawn> How things Kilos?
[19:14] <Kilos> no better ty
[19:14] <Kilos> haha
[19:14] <Kilos> still trying to make a book cover with writer
[19:14] <magespawn> But also no worse either
[19:14] <Kilos> hows you?
[19:14] <Kilos> na same but good otherwise
[19:15] <Kilos> too much to read in office documentation
[19:16] <magespawn> Bit tired, long week, another long one next week
[19:16] <Kilos> eish you gotta get that stuff all setup now so you can become normal again
[19:20] <magespawn> It will happen
[19:20] <magespawn> Is inetpro around?
[19:22] <inetpro> uh?
[19:22] <inetpro> good evening magespawn
[19:23] <inetpro> and hi to everyone else
[19:23] <magespawn> Hey inetpro
[19:23] <inetpro> sup?
[19:24] <magespawn> What is your opinion of allowing network access from the internet for cctv cameras?
[19:24] <Kilos> hmm...
[19:24] <Kilos> naand inetpro 
[19:24] <inetpro> magespawn: hmm...
[19:24] <inetpro> everyone does it in one way or the other
[19:25] <Kilos> password protected access magespawn 
[19:25] <Kilos> or some more secure way
[19:26] <inetpro> in fact storing your footage offsite asap is generally a good idea
[19:26] <magespawn> Not as far as i could see, but it might have been through a vpn. Also microsoft rdp all forwarded through the router
[19:27] <inetpro> eish
[19:27] <Kilos> lol
[19:27] <Kilos> enough said
[19:27] <Kilos> why is microsoft involved
[19:28] <magespawn> Not for offsite storage just to check cctv cameras, and not for a security company either
[19:28] <magespawn> They have windows on most of their machines.
[19:29] <Kilos> but there is what to be stolen there?
[19:29] <Kilos> is it just to see cctv
[19:30] <Kilos> or check if cmeras are working
[19:30] <Kilos> cameras too
[19:31] <magespawn> Just to see cctv
[19:31] <Kilos> oh to like monitor them remotely
[19:31] <Kilos> from how many pcs?
[19:32] <magespawn> Do not know.
[19:32] <Kilos> only your peeps or anyone 
[19:32] <Kilos> oh my
[19:32] <magespawn> Exactly
[19:33] <Kilos> if its like only your businesses senior peeps maybe you can take a chance but not if its open to everyone
[19:34] <magespawn> Nobody is tell8ng me diddly
[19:34] <Kilos> eish
[19:34] <Kilos> they scared of you and you the only one with some security sense
[19:34] <magespawn> I have to dig for everything
[19:34] <magespawn> Maybe
[19:35] <Kilos> inetpro, why so quiet?
[19:35] <Kilos> what do they expect from you magespawn to secure the system or what?
[19:35] <inetpro> sorry, busy reading 
[19:36] <magespawn> Well I took that as implied, since the network is part of my responsibility
[19:38] <Kilos> maybe you can encrypt some connections so others cant use it
[19:38] <inetpro> magespawn: welcome to the world of computers
[19:39] <magespawn> Lol, ty inetpro
[19:39] <Kilos> inetpro, http://www.telkommobile.co.za/coverage/lte/
[19:39] <Kilos> maybe you can turn your external antenna to get lte
[19:39] <magespawn> I like to try an follow best practices and standards.
[19:40] <Kilos> im am 6 ks past where they show coverage
[19:40] <magespawn> No luck hey Kilos
[19:40] <Kilos> lol maybe with external yagi
[19:40] <inetpro> Kilos: nice, it looks like I have LTE
[19:41] <Kilos> yoohoo
[19:41] <inetpro> how do I test it?
[19:41] <Kilos> where are you
[19:41] <inetpro> Kilos: at home
[19:41] <inetpro> sitting in my chair
[19:41] <Kilos> move your map till it shows you then give me the link
[19:41] <Kilos> maybe it works
[19:41] <Kilos> no man
[19:42] <inetpro> :-)
[19:42] <Kilos> you want my emaill addy again?
[19:42] <Kilos> does the pink show around you?
[19:42] <inetpro> Kilos: yep
[19:42] <Kilos> wow lucky man
[19:43] <Kilos> now you can really burn data
[19:44] <Kilos> oh ya what did you break at work the other day
[19:44] <magespawn> Who Kilos?
[19:44] <Kilos> the pro
[19:45] <Kilos> yesterday or day before , i forget
[19:45] <inetpro> Kilos: I broke something?
[19:45] <Kilos> they all dropped of irc
[19:45] <Kilos> ya man how often do you disappear from here
[19:45] <inetpro> hmm... that was probably just some disconnect between us and freenode
[19:45] <Kilos> ai! ek sukkel met my volk
[19:46] <inetpro> nothing major that I noticed on our network
[19:46] <Kilos> and you and your libreoffice writer are breaking my head
[19:46] <inetpro> why>
[19:46] <inetpro> ?
[19:46] <Kilos> with things like leave the formatting for later
[19:47] <Kilos> im sukkeling to make a cover page
[19:47] <Kilos> the docs are too massive to read in a foreign language
[19:47] <inetpro> why even read the docs?
[19:48] <Kilos> acover is a cover not a style or some funny thing
[19:48] <Kilos> well its the first time ive ever used any office stuff
[19:48] <inetpro> Kilos: you should learn like the kids
[19:48] <Kilos> how?
[19:48] <inetpro> they don't need manuals
[19:48] <Kilos> lol
[19:49] <inetpro> they just click a button to see what happens
[19:49] <Kilos> eish ive had too many messups trying things
[19:49] <inetpro> so take a button/icon at a time and run through all of them 
[19:49] <Kilos> and i dont remember what i did so do the same messup the next day
[19:50] <Kilos> no man them buttons dont tell you this is how you make large text for a headline or whatever its calleed
[19:50] <inetpro> create a new test document and start playing around
[19:50] <Kilos> ai!
[19:51] <inetpro> well there are buttons, dropdowns, widgets, etc
[19:52] <inetpro> then there are menu items as well
[19:52] <Kilos> there is a garage full of unknown stuffs
[19:52] <inetpro> nee man
[19:52] <Kilos> all in modern language
[19:53] <inetpro> tell me which one sounds greek to you
[19:53] <Kilos> ai!
[19:53] <Kilos> styles for one
[19:53] <inetpro> take anyone and look it up in the dictionary
[19:53] <Kilos> masterpage for another
[19:53] <Kilos> ai!
[19:54] <inetpro> you are trying to make things complicated for nothing
[19:54] <Kilos> all i want now is big writing for a heading on the cover
[19:54] <Kilos> i dragged a pic to it
[19:55] <inetpro> ai!
[19:55] <Kilos> and the writer can only open once at a time
[19:55] <Kilos> i cant read the docs and practise my way through
[19:56] <Kilos> maybe this is why books are so expensive
[19:56] <Kilos> tons of hard work
[19:56] <inetpro> Kilos: have you not seen the little dropdown that has a number in it?
[19:57] <inetpro> when you hover your mouse over it it should say "Font Size"
[19:57] <inetpro> right next to another dropdown that says "Font Name"
[19:58] <inetpro> and to the right of it there's a liitle big B for Bold
[19:58] <Kilos> ya i see font size
[19:59] <Kilos> but i only want 3 words large not everything
[19:59] <inetpro> so go highlight a stukkie text and change the font size
[19:59] <Kilos> oh
[20:00] <inetpro> ai!
[20:01] <Kilos> yoo hoo slim seun baie dankie
[20:01] <Kilos> im gonna have to put you by the acknowledgements
[20:02] <inetpro> break down the wall in front of you man
[20:02] <inetpro> you remind me of the days when we introduced computers to the old tannies at the office many years ago
[20:03] <Kilos> being suck a small booklet it doesnt need an index hey?
[20:03] <Kilos> im worse than them man
[20:03] <inetpro> some of them had this massive wall in front of them, too scared to even touch the keyboard
[20:04] <Kilos> im like apple mac im a hardware guy
[20:06] <inetpro> Kilos: nee man, that is very unlike you 
[20:07] <Kilos> sjoe ive been battling for weeks now
[20:07]  * inetpro has huge respect for Kilos's persistent nature 
[20:07] <Kilos> feels like months
[20:16] <Kilos> ai!
[20:23] <magespawn> Keep at it Kilos
[20:23] <Kilos> lol
[20:25] <Kilos> i try make a gray page but forget to highlight the whole area so it makes a small gray strip across. so i try make the whole area same colour and they gray becomes bron except for that gray strip
[20:25] <Kilos> grrr
[20:26] <magespawn> Well now you know how to create a brown page with a grey strip at the top.
[20:27] <Kilos> hahaha 
[20:27] <Kilos> close writer and reopen and its gray
[20:27] <Kilos> sigh
[20:27] <inetpro> Kilos: just remember to learn like the kids!
[20:29] <inetpro> Kilos: and then...
[20:29] <inetpro> there's always LibreOffice Draw
[20:29] <Kilos> ai! shup
[20:30] <Kilos> first and last book
[20:30] <inetpro> click File | New | Drawing
[20:31] <inetpro> and once you have saved a nice drawing you can Insert Picture from file
[20:32] <Kilos> maybe i must put a big hammer on the cover
[20:32] <Kilos> i cant draw man
[20:32] <inetpro> ai! You coming with that wall again?
[20:33] <Kilos> sigh
[20:33] <Kilos> im not 40 something
[20:33] <Kilos> im 60 something
[20:33] <magespawn> This from the guy who came here only few years ago
[20:33] <Kilos> too late to learn to draw as well
[20:34] <Kilos> this book is gonna cost a fortune
[20:36] <inetpro> Kilos: "Nobody cares about what you can't do." Greg Hickman 
[20:37] <Kilos> lol
[20:38] <magespawn> Inetpro now thats a truth
[20:41] <inetpro> Kilos: s/can't/choose not to/g
[20:42] <Kilos> huh
[20:42] <magespawn> And another, inetpro, you full of them tonight
[20:43] <inetpro> magespawn: that comes from "Yes You Can: How to Stop Saying You Can’t Do Something" http://www.prolificliving.com/blog/2012/10/08/yes-you-can/
[20:44]  * superfly is not a fan of self-help literature
[20:45] <inetpro> superfly: sure thing, I just don't like the word can't
[20:46] <superfly> inetpro: there are certain situations where it is necesary. Also, knowing your limitations is not a bad thing.
[20:47] <inetpro> it really is a powerful word that blocks your mind if you use it too often
[20:47] <inetpro> superfly: what you say is true
[20:48] <Kilos> hmm...
[20:49] <superfly> Kilos: are you using LibreOffice Writer?
[20:49] <Kilos> yessir
[20:50] <superfly> are you using the styles? (F11, I think, brings up the window)
[20:51] <Kilos> i need to read up again what the styles do
[20:51] <Kilos> i did it plain
[20:51] <Kilos> default i think its called
[20:51] <superfly> Kilos: you can make more, and you can apply different styles to different elements... like use the headings for headings :-)
[20:52] <superfly> it makes managing the style of your document MUCH easier
[20:52] <Kilos> i need to find a way to read the docs and keep writer open separately
[20:53] <inetpro> Kilos: Alt+Tab
[20:54] <Kilos> oh will that swop them
[20:54] <Kilos> then that can help
[20:54] <Kilos> ty
[20:55] <inetpro> yw
[20:56] <Kilos> i was hoping acroread could read it but no go
[20:58] <inetpro> Kilos: File | Export as PDF...
[20:58] <Kilos> export to where
[20:59] <Kilos> see these funny words
[20:59] <Kilos> export is landuit
[20:59] <inetpro> Kilos: Portable Document Format (PDF) is a file format used to represent documents in a manner independent of application software, hardware, and operating system
[21:00] <Kilos> oh ya writer can do the pdf thing
[21:00] <Kilos> maybe thats the way i gotta put it online
[21:01] <inetpro> nou praat ons
[21:03] <Kilos> but then i still gotta get me a site to sell it on
[21:04] <inetpro> Kilos: that's where you need to learn the skills of a Bill Gates
[21:04] <Kilos> office is quite lekker actually. if one wrote often and got used to it then it would be easier
[21:04] <Kilos> marketing?
[21:05] <magespawn> Lots of ways to do thise Kilos
[21:05] <magespawn> this
[21:06] <Kilos> tell me
[21:06] <inetpro> Kilos: he was able to convince millions to pay for ones and zeros
[21:06] <Kilos> lol
[21:08] <magespawn> You can blog it, tweet it, G+ it
[21:08] <superfly> inetpro: for really bad ones and zeroes too
[21:08] <Kilos> oh ya
[21:08] <Private_User> Evening People, I see the ballies are awake ...hehe
[21:08] <Private_User> :D
[21:08] <Kilos> hehe hiya Private_User 
[21:09] <magespawn> Well the ones and zeros aren't that bad, it is just they way they are put together
[21:09] <Private_User> good Kilios, just waiting as usual for after 00:00. Gonna do all the updates for my install
[21:09] <inetpro> magespawn: but how does he convince people to hand him a few $$$?
[21:10] <Kilos> Private_User, when you type someones nick in type the first 3 letter any case and hit tab
[21:10] <Kilos> tab completes the nick for you
[21:10] <magespawn> By selling the same ones and zeros more than once, and getting  people to believe they need it.
[21:11] <Private_User> Kilos, thanks did not know that
[21:11] <superfly> mostly by convincing computer hardware manufacturers to bundle Windows, and ONLY Windows
[21:11] <Kilos> yw
[21:11] <Private_User> ah sorry dude, just realised I mis-spelt your nick earlier
[21:11] <Kilos> inetpro, see our new ubuntero
[21:12] <inetpro> Private_User: welcome at #ubuntu-za
[21:12] <Kilos> better than me he got ubuntu going with 512m ram
[21:12] <superfly> magespawn: if you asked people, "Did  you buy Windows?" there answer will be "no."
[21:12] <Private_User> thank you inetpro
[21:12] <Kilos> i couldnt do it with less than 640m
[21:12] <superfly> magespawn: not because they have an illegal copy, but because it came with their computer
[21:13] <Kilos> magespawn, you must read that book
[21:13] <magespawn> Indeed, by presenting it 'as is'.
[21:13] <Kilos> quite funny
[21:13] <Kilos> http://www.cryptonomicon.com/command.zip
[21:13] <magespawn> Your book Kilos?
[21:13] <Kilos> no man
[21:13]  * inetpro busy reading that ^^
[21:16] <Kilos> ami fsck -f works to a win drive if you have that ntfsprogs installed
[21:17] <Kilos> but not without ntfsprogs
[21:19] <Kilos> whew maybe i should get the new kubuntu with my night surfer data
[21:24] <magespawn> I am off to bed all, good night
[21:25] <Kilos> sleep tight magespawn 
[21:34] <Kilos> whats a final beta release
[21:35] <Kilos> i see that for kubuntu 13.10
[21:35] <Kilos> isnt beta like second stage
[21:36] <Kilos> and final the release stage
[21:36] <inetpro> Kilos: http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download#download-block
[21:39] <Kilos> ty inetpro 
[21:41] <Kilos> would you suggest the bit torrent download
[21:41] <Kilos> i could maybe wget it that way
[21:43] <superfly> Kilos: no, bittorrent is a protocol, like http
[21:44] <superfly> you need a bittorrent client
[21:44] <Kilos> oh my
[21:45] <Kilos> i did bittorrent something a while back but think i reinstalled since then ty superfly 
[21:45] <Kilos> how long will 13.10 be supported
[21:46] <superfly> the usual, 2 years?
[21:46] <Kilos> oh great i thought they dropped it to 6 months
[22:10] <Kilos> aw inetpro i cant wget that link
[22:10] <Kilos> grrrr
[22:11] <Kilos>     [  <=>                                  ] 15 570      53,3K/s   in 0,3s    
[22:11] <Kilos> 2013-11-03 00:06:04 (53,3 KB/s) - `download' saved [15570]
[22:11] <Kilos> thats all. something wrong there
[22:12] <Kilos> thats all thats there even with wget -c
[22:12] <Kilos> grrr
[22:12] <inetpro> Kilos: ai!
[22:13] <Kilos> im bang to use opera
[22:13] <Kilos> in case it drops and i got no download manager
[22:13] <Kilos> and im falling off the chair already
[22:14] <inetpro> http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/releases/13.10/release/kubuntu-13.10-desktop-i386.iso
[22:14] <Kilos> thats wgettable hey?
[22:14] <Kilos> ty 
[22:14] <inetpro> yep
[22:14] <inetpro> or the 64bit version
[22:14] <inetpro> http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/releases/13.10/release/kubuntu-13.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[22:15] <Kilos> no man no 64bit stuff here
[22:15] <inetpro> BTW, an updated version of that command line story is available at: http://garote.bdmonkeys.net/commandline/index.html
[22:15] <Kilos> its running
[22:15] <Kilos> aha
[22:16] <inetpro>  The Command Line in 2004 
[22:16] <Kilos> save it
[22:16] <Kilos> its all before ubuntu
[22:16] <inetpro> true
[22:16] <Kilos> i wonder how he feels now
[22:17] <inetpro> he switched to OS X
[22:17] <Kilos> thats mac?
[22:17] <inetpro> at least at the time when he was asked n 2004
[22:17] <inetpro> yep
[22:17] <Kilos> he sounds like Symmetria 
[22:18] <inetpro> anyway, me needs some sleep
[22:18] <inetpro> good night
[22:18] <Kilos> he loves his mac and all his screens show windows
[22:18] <Kilos> hahaha
[22:20] <Kilos> whew the isos are getting bigger. 1g already
[22:20] <Kilos> Private_User, you winning
[22:21] <Private_User> yep started the update
[22:21] <Private_User> it seems to be busy
[22:21] <Kilos> ive got a 1g download just started
[22:21] <Kilos> eina
[22:22] <Kilos> gonna be short of sleep tonight
[22:43] <Private_User> yeah I have been short of sleep since I started trying to get these ubuntu to work
[22:43] <Private_User> but at least I now have it working
[22:43] <Kilos> lol
[22:43] <Kilos> you will see after upgrading it runs better
[22:45] <Kilos> just remember if you want to install things first look in synaptic if it is in the repos. ive been warned not to just install stuff off the net
[22:45] <Private_User> ok looks like updates have completed
[22:45] <Kilos> how many meg?
[22:45] <Private_User> I will now do the above check for the software in repos
[22:46] <Kilos> you have synaptic hey?
[22:46] <Kilos> if not sudo aptitude install synaptic
[22:47] <Private_User> yes it is installed
[22:47] <Private_User> I also see the Ubuntu software centre
[22:47] <Kilos> good then if you want to check for something there is a small search window top right
[22:48] <Kilos> type in there and it will show everything related
[22:48] <Kilos> that software centre is slow
[22:48] <Kilos> synaptic is more efficient
[22:48] <Kilos> but not as pretty
[22:49] <Private_User> ok and its looking easier to read
[22:51] <Kilos> in update manager if you go to settings you can turn off updates and only do them late at night to save data
[22:55] <Private_User> saw that it was first thing I did especially with my experience with windows
[22:55] <Private_User> lol
[22:55] <Kilos> lol
[22:56] <Kilos> our upgrades dont kill the pc
[22:56] <Kilos> and they are free
[22:56] <Kilos> no pay $49
[22:58] <Kilos> and normally with upgrades things get better
[23:41] <Kilos> right i got 13.10
[23:41] <Kilos> night all