[00:00] <Poisoned_Dragon> When I re-purposed a Dell File server, to use as a desktop, I didn't use the raid feature. The onboard controller worked just fine. Granted, It wasn't a Cisco Blade server, but options can be changed.
[00:00] <Poisoned_Dragon> But, I digress.
[01:47] <xubuntu091> je reste bloqué a enregistrement des paquets
[01:48] <xubuntu091> paquet installés
[01:48] <Unit193> !fr
[04:23] <csalvador> hey guys
[06:16] <kRush> anyone successfully running the latest amd biary blob on 13.10? I just get the wallpaper after login/no UI =/
[06:17] <kRush> *binary
[06:51] <A_J_> how do i enable wireless networks in xubuntu ? any help
[06:52] <well_laid_lawn> !wifi
[06:54] <A_J_> well_laid_lawn this is an xubuntu specific problem. cause i enabled it via the cli just can't do it via the GUI
[06:54] <A_J_> says wireless network disabled in the dropdown on the desktop
[06:54] <A_J_> and in network manager the previous network shows up ( saved pw) with no way to connect to it
[06:56] <well_laid_lawn> if you bring down the wifi in a terminal can you then remove the old connection in network manager ?
[06:56] <A_J_> oh well i can scan for it. can't seem to connect to it.
[06:56] <A_J_> some syntax error
[07:43] <A_J_> hey all.. i need help. how do i restore the taskbar( bar on top) to default settings.. i messed mine up bad
[07:46] <A_J_> :(
[08:26] <well_laid_lawn> A_J_:  you can remove the files for the panel in ~/.config/xfce4/
[08:27] <well_laid_lawn> while not in X or they just get saved again
[11:44] <ngomes> hello
[11:44] <ngomes> about the known bug on 13.10 networkmanager
[11:45] <ngomes> suspend hangs networkmanager on wakeup
[11:45] <ngomes> workaround killall Networkmanager brings networkmanager
[11:45] <ngomes> but
[11:45] <ngomes> i cant suspend anymore either shutdown
[11:45] <ngomes> gives me a dbus error
[11:46] <ngomes> its still not solved , right
[12:35] <brainwash> ngomes: not yet solved (officially)
[12:36] <brainwash> ngomes: bug 1184262, comment 73
[12:40] <ngomes> brainwash, hmmm some say it works some say it doesnt
[12:41] <brainwash> ngomes: if your session gets stuck and won't allow you to suspend again, then this fix will most likely fix it
[12:42] <ngomes> isnt this package available in the ubuntu repositories ?
[12:42] <ngomes> i hate to add PPA
[12:42] <brainwash> it is, but the "broken" one
[12:42] <ngomes> hmm
[12:42] <brainwash> well, simply download the .deb file and install it manually
[12:43] <brainwash> or compile from source
[12:44] <ngomes> ok done
[12:44] <ngomes> dpkg did not told me about upgrading the package ...
[12:44] <ngomes> oh wait
[12:45] <ngomes> preparing to replace (...)
[12:45] <ngomes> guess its ok
[12:45] <ngomes> ill go test
[12:45] <brainwash> alright, add a comment to the bug report with your test result(s)
[12:46] <ngomes> hello ?
[12:46] <brainwash> yeah?
[12:46] <ngomes> suspended twice , looks like its solved :D
[12:47] <ngomes> ( gotta love tcp timeouts ) :)
[12:47] <ngomes> ok , dont know if i have account
[12:47] <ngomes> on launchpad
[12:48] <brainwash> don't worry
[12:48] <ngomes> i dont see a reply box
[12:48] <ngomes> to add my comment
[12:48] <brainwash> did you login?
[12:49] <brainwash> the comment box is located at the bottom of the site
[12:52] <ngomes> brainwash, comment 107 :-)
[12:53] <ngomes> i see now , i was not logged in
[12:53] <brainwash> ngomes: thanks :)
[12:53] <ngomes> :-)
[12:53] <ngomes> great. now only sound volume is bugged
[12:54] <ngomes> its ok , i can go on multimedia and select volume
[12:54] <brainwash> that's bug 1208204
[12:54] <ngomes> is it solved ?
[12:55] <brainwash> workarounds do exist
[12:56] <ngomes> i see
[12:56] <ngomes> gonna wait
[12:56] <ngomes> its not very important to me right now
[12:57] <brainwash> the long term solution would be add support for ubuntu's gtk3 indicators
[12:57] <ngomes> and the update-manager icon does apeear not more
[12:57] <brainwash> see bug 1238997
[12:57] <ngomes> it opens up a task in task manager
[12:58] <brainwash> update-manager indicator -> bug 1246364
[13:00] <ngomes> no workaround
[13:01] <ngomes> its ok too , no big problem
[13:01] <ngomes> ill wati
[13:01] <ngomes> i still prefer the icon rather the minimized window
[13:03] <brainwash> maybe it will be fixed or some adjustments will be made, but not any time soon I'm afraid
[13:04] <ngomes> ok
[13:04] <ngomes> i'll wait
[13:05] <ngomes> the suspend / network manager was the one annoying me
[13:05] <ngomes> rest is fine
[13:05] <ngomes> apart from that
[13:06] <ngomes> few kernel releases ago , i could list all kernel modules with modprobe -l , now ( i think its after 3.x.x) i cant ... do you know how can i do this ?
[13:07] <brainwash> don't know, try lsmod
[13:09] <ngomes> lsmod lists the modules kernel is using at the moment , i was asking the opposite
[13:10] <ngomes> parameter -l is out of modprobe manual :o
[13:10] <ngomes> deep changes in this
[13:10] <brainwash> right
[13:11] <brainwash> found this http://lwn.net/Articles/529781/
[13:11] <brainwash> and https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=134393
[13:13] <ngomes> ok , thanks , couldnt find that out , but its what i was looking for
[13:14] <moondog> hmm, they apparently moved the default menu in 13.10
[13:15] <ngomes> looks the same to me
[13:15] <moondog> I grabbed the one from /etc/xdg/menus like I would typically do and put it in ~/.config/menus and everything changed
[13:16] <moondog> so that's apparently not where it's getting it
[13:16] <moondog> it *was* the norm
[13:16] <brainwash> /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/menus
[13:16] <moondog> thank you :)
[13:16] <ngomes> do you want an alternative menu ? i've seen one few days ago , cant remember the name
[13:16] <ngomes> whisky something
[13:16] <moondog> oh yeah, Mint uses that
[13:17] <moondog> it's not bad
[13:17] <ngomes> i've seen a post of someone using it as alternative to xfce one
[13:17] <brainwash> this one http://gottcode.org/xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin/
[13:17] <moondog> whisker menu
[13:17] <ngomes> yes whisker-menu
[13:18] <ngomes> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/10/whisker-menu-xfce-ubuntu-app-menu-with-search?utm_source=feedly
[13:19] <ngomes> here is the article about it
[13:24] <ngomes> well , i done here
[13:24] <ngomes> i«m
[13:24] <ngomes> see you next time
[13:41] <xubuntu399> buona sera a tutti
[13:41] <cfhowlett> !it
[13:42] <Junka> !ge
[13:42] <Junka> !ja
[13:42] <Junka> :O
[13:45] <elfy> Junka: this channel isn't a playground - if you want to check out ubottu factoids do so here http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi
[13:50] <Junka> elfy, sorry :(
[18:43] <ljunggren> hi
[18:44] <ljunggren> is there any differnce between isntalling fglrx-updates and download and try to install from amd website?
[18:44] <bekks> ljunggren: The difference is: the latter will break on every kernel update.
[18:45] <ljunggren> bekks, you mean if i download from website?
[18:45] <bekks> Yes.
[18:45] <ljunggren> so fglrx-updates is the best choice
[18:45] <ljunggren> i just want best performance
[18:46] <ljunggren> i dont think opensource drivers will cope with games as well as propdrive
[18:48] <ljunggren> thanks for the help
[18:57] <xubuntu949> bonjour
[18:58] <xubuntu949> j'ai installé xubuntu 13.10 et j'ai un problème de surchauffe avec ma carte graphique ATI radeon 3400
[18:58] <bekks> !fr | xubuntu949
[19:36] <m3kk> is linux ready to completly replace windows for gaming now?
[19:36] <m3kk> with steam and all
[19:37] <holstein> !steam
[19:37] <m3kk> was that meant for me?
[19:37] <holstein> m3kk: that really has nothing to do with "linux".. its about the game developers and hardware manufacturers supporting linux
[19:37] <holstein> m3kk: yes.. that is the steam information
[19:37] <m3kk> holstein: thanks
[19:37] <m3kk> i mean drivers? are they on-pare? in experience
[19:38] <holstein> m3kk: if they are made/designed to me, yes
[19:38] <Junka> m3kk: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=gpus_windows81_ubuntu&num=1
[19:39] <m3kk> wow junka nice link
[19:42] <m3kk> oh.. linux is pretty behind
[19:42] <m3kk> =/
[19:42] <holstein> m3kk: its actually not linux that is behind.. its linux support
[19:43] <m3kk> yeah
[19:43] <m3kk> drivers
[19:43] <m3kk> i mean in-direct
[19:43] <holstein> you can find hardware that will have *better* perfomance in linux
[19:43] <m3kk> or something
[19:43] <m3kk> i should buy  a gtx 680 it seems
[19:43] <holstein> if you are gaming, linux is an option.. a new option
[19:44] <m3kk> nice way to put it
[19:45] <m3kk> guess ill just stick with win8.1 for gaming till now only because of performance in game
[19:45] <holstein> or, help steam make it better by using it..
[19:46] <holstein> when folks on linux want games, they will come
[19:46] <holstein> arguably the best thing to do is to just use linux and ask for and demand support and buy games for linux, from hardware vendors that support linux
[19:49] <m3kk> yeah
[19:52] <m3kk> holstein: you talked me in to it.. i will actually install linux now on my main desktop pc..
[19:52] <m3kk> wish me luck
[19:52] <holstein> m3kk: enjoy!
[19:56] <m3kk> i know this belongs to #ubuntu-steam but you seem pretty good at it holstein , is it possibly to install games from steam on a seperate disk than ubuntu is isntalled on ? i only have 64gb SSD and it will vannish if i start installing games on it.. i have another 500GB HDD that i intented for games etc
[20:03] <RipresaTecn> could move your home to the hdd
[20:05] <RipresaTecn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving
[20:06] <RipresaTecn> then use live cd to expand root partition thats on the sdd
[20:06] <RipresaTecn> ssd*
[20:06] <m3kk> hm
[20:06] <m3kk> i don't know
[20:07] <m3kk> cant i just chose path install like windows?
[20:07] <bekks> m3kk: sure.
[20:07] <m3kk> but moving home to E: ( my HDD) perhaps is a good idea.. since its there i have all my movies and pictures?
[20:07] <RipresaTecn> not sure im just throwing stuff out there since nobody was answering you
[20:08] <bekks> E: is a Windows drive letter.
[20:08] <RipresaTecn> lol when you convert linux terms to windows terms you make your life harder
[20:08] <m3kk> yes
[20:09] <m3kk> RipresaTecn: thanks
[20:10] <m3kk> writing a liveusb now!
[20:10] <RipresaTecn> im trying to find a good resource that will teach you how linux handles storage devices
[20:10] <m3kk> that would be awesome and probably really confusing
[20:10] <RipresaTecn> lol
[20:11] <m3kk> but i really would love to learn
[20:11] <bekks> !beginner
[20:11] <bekks> hmm.
[20:11] <m3kk> i installed ubuntu on my mothers OOooooldass laptop because it was not running even XP good..
[20:11] <RipresaTecn> wow
[20:12] <bekks> m3kk: Then dont expect wonders.
[20:12] <m3kk> it was overheating and it was freezing even after full reinstall.. i just tested it with ubuntu and its like brand new.. runs much better then my new laptop
[20:12] <m3kk> i didn't just last resort.. worked out beaaaautiful
[20:12] <m3kk> she loves it
[20:12] <RipresaTecn> http://askubuntu.com/questions/56929/what-is-the-linux-drive-naming-scheme
[20:12] <RipresaTecn> maybe that will help clear things up
[20:13] <m3kk> bekks: wonder did happen ;)
[20:13] <m3kk> i will check
[20:13] <m3kk> aha.. so my "C" will be used as just / then
[20:13] <bekks> No.
[20:13] <m3kk> my whole SSD as /
[20:13] <bekks> There are no drive letters.
[20:13] <m3kk> no?
[20:14] <m3kk> nono i know
[20:14] <RipresaTecn> yes C is /
[20:14] <bekks> RipresaTecn: Uhm no.
[20:14] <RipresaTecn> well yah if you convert it pretty much is
[20:14] <m3kk> Yeah so when i install ubuntu my whole SSD (WItch is NOW C;) will be /
[20:14] <bekks> Technically, you can install Windows on D:-Z: - you cannot install linux anywhere but /
[20:15] <RipresaTecn> well now we are getting overly technical
[20:15] <m3kk> i understand, but my ssd will be / either way
[20:15] <RipresaTecn> to his eyes yes c is /
[20:15] <m3kk> root
[20:15] <well_laid_lawn> c is a partition, linux names the partitions like /dev/sda
[20:15] <well_laid_lawn>  /dev/sdb etc
[20:16] <m3kk> ok
[20:16] <m3kk> so guys
[20:17] <m3kk> what i have is 64GB SSD, 500gb HDD ( filled with pics and movies) .. the best deal for me (and easiest) would be just crashnburn install ubuntu over win8 on ssd right?
[20:17] <m3kk> im in the liveusb right now
[20:17] <well_laid_lawn> you can dualboot if you still want to keep windows
[20:17] <well_laid_lawn> !dualboot
[20:17] <m3kk> i raelly dont want to dualboot
[20:17] <m3kk> im trying to break up with windows
[20:18] <well_laid_lawn> just nuke the win install then
[20:18] <m3kk> good lord
[20:18] <m3kk> sounds brutal
[20:18] <m3kk> and awesome
[20:18] <well_laid_lawn> you just overwrite the win install with linux
[20:19] <well_laid_lawn> I recommend making a seperate /home partition too
[20:19] <m3kk> wait
[20:20] <m3kk> well_laid_lawn: you mean instead of choosing "Nuke Windows 8 with Ubuntu" i should chose "Something else.."
[20:21] <well_laid_lawn> if you have no experience making partitions going with the default install might be a lot less stress
[20:21] <m3kk> yeah
[20:21] <well_laid_lawn> try that first then
[20:22] <m3kk> but why does ubuntu think default i want my start-handle ( direct translate from swede) to be oni my 500gb hdd? aka /dev/sda
[20:22] <well_laid_lawn> it only takes about 20 minutes for an install so if you change your mind later it is quick enough to redo things
[20:23] <well_laid_lawn> it's normal to install the boot loader to the disk with the root partition
[20:23] <m3kk> i have a lot of options really.. i dont know why
[20:23] <m3kk> /dev/sda 500gb
[20:23] <m3kk> /dev/sda1
[20:23] <m3kk> /dev/sda3 (windows 8 loader)
[20:23] <m3kk> /dev/sda4
[20:23] <m3kk> /dev/sdb 64GB SSD
[20:23] <m3kk> /dev/sdb1
[20:23] <m3kk> /dev/sdc 2gb
[20:25] <m3kk> i think i will just "replace win 8 with ubuntu" .. and hope for the best? i just  hope it does not delete everything on my second HDD
[20:25] <well_laid_lawn> you said win8 was on the ssd ...
[20:25] <m3kk> yeah it is really
[20:25] <well_laid_lawn> so win8 is on /dev/sdb1 then
[20:25] <well_laid_lawn> ?
[20:25] <m3kk> it should
[20:26] <m3kk> its ntfs partition
[20:26] <m3kk> the /dev/sda3 windows 8 loader is just 367MB big
[20:26] <well_laid_lawn> sounds like the live cd didn't sort the partitions out right then
[20:26] <m3kk> hum
[20:27] <m3kk> the /dev/sdb1 says size 64020 with used space "unknown"
[20:28] <well_laid_lawn> I can't see the setup from here so I'm just going by what you say, and there's a contradiction there
[20:28] <m3kk> okok i can take a screendump
[20:29] <m3kk> somehow
[20:30] <m3kk> a shame i cant maximize the window..  cant see everything in that little
[20:30] <ubuntu_> ok im here
[20:30] <ubuntu_> its m3kk
[20:32] <ubuntu_> give me a good site to upload 3 screenshots?
[20:32] <elfy> imagebin
[20:33] <RipresaTecn> imgur
[20:33] <well_laid_lawn> postimage
[20:34] <ubuntu_> gahd
[20:34] <ubuntu_> does not work
[20:35] <ubuntu_> wrong file type
[20:35] <ubuntu_> im so happy
[20:36] <well_laid_lawn> if it is .JPG with capitals change it to lower case
[20:36] <ubuntu_> png
[20:36] <well_laid_lawn> k
[20:36] <ubuntu_> not even that can go smooth
[20:37] <well_laid_lawn> first time doing something is always the hardest
[20:37] <ubuntu_> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/199/g0j.partition1/
[20:37] <ubuntu_> check if that works
[20:37] <ubuntu_> only site that did not give me error
[20:38] <ubuntu_> well_laid_lawn,
[20:38] <ubuntu_> and here is n2.. it worked this time
[20:38] <ubuntu_> http://imagebin.org/275562
[20:39] <ubuntu_> and n3 http://imagebin.org/275563
[20:40] <ubuntu_> i cant even enter my ssd or my hdd from the live usb.. that is strange
[20:40] <ubuntu_> i do not have permission
[20:41] <well_laid_lawn> did you check the iso and cd you burnt?
[20:41] <well_laid_lawn> !md5
[20:41] <ubuntu_> yeah its ok i have been here before actually with different iso
[20:41] <ubuntu_> it was xubuntu
[20:42] <ubuntu_> and mint
[20:42] <ubuntu_> i cant enter those drives for some reason
[20:43] <well_laid_lawn> well, technically speaking, if you are using the ubuntu live cd you should be trying #ubuntu for help
[20:43] <well_laid_lawn> it looks like your ssd is ntfs
[20:43] <ubuntu_> is that bad
[20:43] <well_laid_lawn> no
[20:44] <ubuntu_> haha
[20:44] <well_laid_lawn> if you are confident /dev/sdb1 is the win8 install put ubuntu on that
[20:45] <ubuntu_> i could just "replace win 8 with ubuntu".. but my fear is that it tries to put ubuntu on my 500gb somehow
[20:46] <well_laid_lawn> yes, some ppl remove other disks to eliminate such chances for errors
[20:46] <well_laid_lawn> with a manual install there is less chance for the system to get it wrong
[20:46] <ubuntu_> yeah
[20:46] <well_laid_lawn> but a greater chance you will
[20:47] <ubuntu_> hah
[20:47] <ubuntu_> so i should put /dev/sdb to / then
[20:47] <well_laid_lawn> no
[20:47] <well_laid_lawn>  /dev/sdb1
[20:48] <ubuntu_> oh
[20:48] <well_laid_lawn>  /dev/sdb is the disk you don't install to disks
[20:48] <ubuntu_> now im confused
[20:48] <well_laid_lawn>  /dev/sdb1 is a partition, you install to partitions
[20:48] <ubuntu_> oh right
[20:48] <ubuntu_> thanks lol
[20:48] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[20:49] <ubuntu_> so i can just press /dev/sdb1 .. and chose that for / ? do i need to configure any other drive? swap etc?
[20:49] <ubuntu_> and i should also make the "starthandler" to my 64gb ssd?
[20:50] <ubuntu_> edit partition : ext4 or something?
[20:54] <ubuntu_> Hey.. i chose "replace win8" and after that  i could chose either 500gb hdd or 64gb ssd. to install
[20:54] <ubuntu_> so it will all be good right?
[20:54] <well_laid_lawn> sounds like it will
[20:55] <ubuntu_> well shoot here i go
[20:55] <bekks> Since you hopefully made a backup before, you dont have to be concerned.
[20:55] <ubuntu_> bekks, ofc not
[20:55] <bekks> Then you dont have any data worth to be kept and you can continue.
[20:56] <ubuntu_> this is where i should say YOLO but i dont want to seem like a bigger idiot than i already do
[20:56] <ubuntu_> then i already appear to be
[20:56] <ubuntu_> or something
[20:56] <ubuntu_> thanks for the help guys
[20:58] <well_laid_lawn> luck
[21:10] <m3kk> crap
[21:11] <m3kk> File /WINDOWS/system32/winload32 error error cant reboot
[21:13] <well_laid_lawn> hold the power on button down for more than 5 seconds
[21:14] <m3kk> really?
[21:15] <m3kk> should i remove /dev/sda3 ntfs aka the Windows 8 loader? a partition that is fairly ...
[21:15] <m3kk> unesecary
[21:15] <m3kk> sorry english
[21:17] <m3kk> well_laid_lawn: it just .. shuts down again if i hold it down for more than 5 sec
[21:19] <m3kk> nailed it..
[21:33] <m3kk> do i need to unisntall opensource amd drivers before installing fglrx?
[21:59] <bet0x> Hello, my volumen indicator is empty on my panel, how can i fix this? i installed xubuntu-desktop from console
[22:40] <bet0x> where i submit a patch for xubuntu?
[22:41] <ochosi> bet0x: on launchpad
[22:41] <ochosi> for what package?
[22:42] <bet0x> http://www.barrahome.org/2013/11/02/parche-indicador-de-sonido-en-xubuntu-13-10.html
[22:42] <bet0x> the sound indicator is broken
[22:42] <bet0x> i made that small patch wich fix it so now i have my sound control back
[22:42] <ochosi> ah right
[22:42] <ochosi> well there is already a bugreport with a patch for that
[22:43] <bet0x> oh ok
[22:43] <bet0x> wasted my time T_T
[22:43]  * bet0x feeling slow
[22:44] <ochosi> bet0x: depends on your patch
[22:44] <xubuntu841> hi
[22:45] <bet0x> ochosi, was a simple one anyways =p
[22:45] <bet0x> xubuntu841, hi
[22:45] <ochosi> bet0x: well next time feel free to search launchpad first ;)
[22:45] <ochosi> bet0x: here's the bugreport anyway: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/1208204
[22:46] <xubuntu841> please, do you know which distro runs on old laptop, like non-pae cpu?
[22:46] <ochosi> xubuntu841: i think xubuntu 12.04 (LTS) could, but i'm not sure now
[22:47] <xubuntu841> thanks. i'm trying a lot of distros with no results...
[22:50] <bekks> xubuntu841: 11.10, then update to 12.04
[22:50] <bekks> or 10.04 and update to 12.04
[22:51] <bet0x> i upgraded from 13.04 to 13.10 then installed xubuntu-desktop
[22:51] <bet0x> and thats when happened