penguin42shauno: Scary picture of their chunk of listing00:04
shaunohah, yeah.  "still small enough to fit in one listing"00:05
penguin42shauno: I'm guessing as in one box of fanfold00:18
shaunoyaknow, I don't miss fanfold.  I had a whole tonne of paper that was green & white striped fanfold, with the perforated truck strips on the sides, in landscape00:19
shaunoand I could never, ever, convince my printer to match the line-height of those green & white lines.00:19
AlanBellsuspect I still have some in the loft00:20
ali1234man... that old fan fold paper with the green stripes on it00:20
AlanBelland a 132 column dot matrix printer00:20
ali1234shauno: yeah, exactly... what were they for anyway?00:20
shaunoI suspect it was a test for OCD00:20
AlanBellI always thought it was something to do with accountants liking them00:20
popeyi used to set a job going over night, if it failed it would end up with a proper mush of green/white fanfold00:30
penguin42all the fanfold I ever used was just plain white00:30
penguin42shauno: No, the OCD is what happens when you're left with a pile of fanout with detachable holes, and you gently sit there peeling them off and tearing them up. Ahem00:31
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MooDoomorning all09:00
MartijnVdSmorning MooDoo09:01
dwatkinsallo allo09:01
MartijnVdSThe Nexus 5 seems to be very light on battery usage09:01
MartijnVdSJust did an hour-long run, with GPS on, and battery was still at 96%09:02
dwatkinsI gather new phones don't need to use full power for the GPS.09:03
MooDoooooo thinking of getting one of them myself09:03
MartijnVdSdwatkins: it's gotten better through the years :)09:03
MartijnVdSit also has some kind of offloading chip for sound output, lowering battery use when playing music09:03
dwatkinsah, it's an Android 4.4 feature09:03
dwatkins"The feature is designed to poll sensors less frequently on the Nexus 5, but Google is partnering with chipset makers to make it available on other devices."09:04
MartijnVdSit's full of nifty tricks :)09:04
dwatkinsI still can't believe they had to partner with Nestle, perhaps they couldn't think of a pudding beginning with 'K'.09:05
MartijnVdSdwatkins: the original name was to be "Key Lime Pie"09:05
MartijnVdSbut nobody could remember that, I guess09:05
dwatkinshaha ok09:05
dwatkinsWhat's next, Android Lion Bar?09:05
MartijnVdSwho knows :)09:05
MartijnVdSLion Bar, M&M, Nutella09:06
dwatkinsAndroidn 6.0 Marathon [after they rename Snickers back again]09:06
MartijnVdSthey could do Raider, then 2 versions later Twix09:07
dwatkinsOpal Fruits09:07
MartijnVdSNot all of those have the same name internationally though09:08
MartijnVdSdwatkins: people on reddit were suggesting L to be "Lollipop" or "Lemon Meringue Pie" 8-)09:09
dwatkinsIt'll be Lion Bar, I reckon.09:10
MooDoonot sure about that, too close to osx lion09:11
MartijnVdSMooDoo: and OSX Mavericks isn't too close to Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat?09:11
dwatkinsah yes, perhaps Life Savers or Licorice Allsorts.09:12
MartijnVdS, it may contain emulsifiers such as soy lecithin and flavors such as vanilla.09:12
MartijnVdSIn most of the, it may contain emulsifiers such as soy lecithin and flavors such as vanilla.09:12
MartijnVdSuhh.. what did my mouse just do?09:12
MooDooMartijnVdS: ok good point :)09:12
dwatkinspaste stuff?09:13
MartijnVdSdwatkins: Life Saver would be a great name :)09:13
dwatkinsMavericks is a silly name, as it starts an entirely new theme, when the animals one was going great.09:14
MartijnVdSthey sort of ran out of big cats09:14
dwatkinsIt's like naming your servers after Star Trek characters, then suddenly switching to constellations.09:15
MartijnVdSsure the ocelot was still available, except Ubuntu took it09:15
dwatkinsThere are plenty of more awesome creatures... http://imgur.com/r/Otters/jN93zpe09:16
MartijnVdSbut.. not cats!09:16
dwatkinsI'm working up to cats.09:16
dwatkinsoh was it cats? I thought it was just animals.... hmm09:16
dwatkinsLeopard, Tiger, yeah I see it now09:16
dwatkinsWhy not switch to dogs, then?09:16
MartijnVdSCATS: All your base are belong to us. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/03/Aybabtu.png09:17
brobostigongood morning everyone.10:44
MooDoomorning brobostigon how are you?10:44
brobostigonMooDoo: depressed, and my eczema is bad, and you?10:46
MooDoobrobostigon: i'm at work....still it's not too bad here10:51
brobostigonMooDoo: :( :)10:52
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popeyquiet day ☻11:42
MooDooyeah, people still recovering from last night probably lol11:42
* MartijnVdS is a bit exhausted from running earlier11:43
brobostigoni am still in shock, kate gave me back her engagement ring, last night.11:43
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: :(11:44
MooDoobrobostigon: oh no :(11:44
brobostigonit was a good 6 months, nonetheless.11:44
nigelbbrobostigon: :(12:12
nigelbpopey: I was a bit surprised not seeing your name in the CC nominees :)12:12
merajhelo i am new to ubuntu and want to install wine  can you plz help me12:12
popeymeraj: sure, if you ask your question12:12
popeyoh, you did ☻12:12
popeymeraj: sudo apt-get install wine12:12
nigelbOr look for wine in the software center12:13
merajubuntu  13.10 i have wine in my pen drive  and want to install12:13
popeynigelb: i've already served on the cc in the past, stepped down to focus on other things, then got hired by canoical12:13
merajthat code is not working12:13
popeymeraj: what happens?12:13
nigelbcan you pastebin the output?12:13
merajsays unable tp locate package12:14
merajtp is to12:14
MarquessDeBonBonMartijnVdS are you dressing as Zwarte Piet this year?12:14
brobostigonsudo apt-get update     . then try again.12:14
popeymeraj: is the machine you're installing wine on connected to the internet?12:14
MarquessDeBonBonhttp://www.sinterklaasfabriek.nl/project/userfiles/sinterklaas-en-zwarte-piet.jpg lol Holland12:15
merajno the code not working some index file faile to download12:15
merajno its another computer12:15
popeymeraj: can you connect the machine to the internet?12:16
merajsays could not resolve security.ubuntu.com12:16
meraj my net setter is not being shown in that12:16
merajhow to connect12:16
merajelse i have to switch win7 of that laptop to connect12:17
popeymeraj: http://askubuntu.com/questions/974/how-can-i-install-software-or-packages-without-internet-offline12:18
* popey goes for lunch12:18
merajexplain em sir i am unable to solve it12:22
MartijnVdSmeraj: The best chance is to get that machine connected to the internet. Does it have a wireless chip? Ethernet port/12:23
merajok am tryng12:25
MartijnVdSmeraj: That's doesn't answer the questions: what kind of machine is it? Does it have wifi? Does it have ethernet?12:26
MartijnVdS(is it a laptop? a desktop? something else?)12:26
merajit has wifi and is laptop12:27
MartijnVdSmeraj: and the network icon is not in the top right?12:27
MartijnVdSmeraj: you might get more/faster help on #ubuntu12:27
mungbeanMartijnVdS: https://plus.google.com/photos/113770755938741426586/albums/5941851279821101745/5941851282157336802?sqi=104613975513761463450&sqsi=f519a7cd-31d2-4c2a-a6a1-f3bb617eb0fd&pid=5941851282157336802&oid=11377075593874142658613:17
mungbeanwow hideous url13:18
MartijnVdSwasn't there a P2P network called that?13:37
brobostigoni must be sad, watching ghostbusters on ch5.13:39
mgdmbrobostigon: no, that is the very opposite of sad13:39
mgdmGhostbusters is brilliant13:39
mgdmMartijnVdS: yeah, there was13:40
MooDoomgdm: just don't cross the streams13:40
MartijnVdSMooDoo: .. eww?13:40
mgdmgood advice for any situation13:40
MooDooMartijnVdS: eww? have you not seeing ghostbusters?13:41
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MartijnVdSMooDoo: I have :)13:44
moonrackerhi guys - where can i get technical support on ubuntu 13.04 video issues?13:59
lubotu3Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience13:59
lubotu3Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com/ or http://ubuntuforums.org/ or http://askubuntu.com/14:03
DJonesMaybe !details would be a better factoid14:15
lubotu3Please give us full details. For example: "I have a problem with ..., I'm running Ubuntu version .... When I try to do ..., I get the following output: ..., but I expected it to do ..."14:15
DJonesRather than scaring somebody away14:15
DJonesOr pointing them to #ubuntu14:16
MooDooraaaaaaaaa i'm not scarey14:16
* DJones suggests looking in a mirror :)14:16
DJonesI've seen photo's NEVER AGAIN14:17
MooDoowell i did warn you14:17
Myrttimeh, I can't find a keyboard that I'd like14:26
Myrttierm no.14:36
shaunoeww, AZERTY14:48
AlanBellshauno: yeah, that was the only problem I could see with it too14:59
mgdmI think those autoresponder things in the bot are counterproductive15:01
mgdmgranted I'm not the most useful person around here at any one time15:02
AlanBellmgdm: yeah, some of them can be at times (some are dead handy)15:02
AlanBellmgdm: which factoids would you remove?15:03
AlanBellhttp://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu&search=&order=popularity%20DESC&page=0 !ask is the top of the list, used just over 30,000 times15:08
MooDooso are we saying we shouldn't use !ask?15:10
AlanBellnot really, just having a chat about the usefulness of factoids15:12
MooDooah ok15:13
AlanBellhi Uldics15:29
MooDoohello Uldics15:30
UldicsI know this is walking on edge. But simple and sincere things. I am bonified now. I wish to install Windows 7 on my Ubuntu box, just for games. I have the sticker and all the legal stuff is orrrighty. The hurdle seems to be in MS way to get people legally to their OS. It seems impossible. First I tried downloading (from official distributor) an ISO file of Win7 PRO. It would not even start installing from USB flash - it finds disks, can delete15:34
Uldicsand create a partition to install on, but when it comes to installing, then its all halfsix and nothing is possible - it can not even find its own created partition. That seems rather strange if I may only use polite words. Then I bought the obsolete form of empty media - DVD-R, burned same image to it and can install. But the legal PC can not accept the registration, the key is not good - I have Win 7 PRO OEM sticker, which has no ISOs15:34
Uldicsavailable. So it can be installed, but not registered. What a bummer. So I need an ISO editor on Ubuntu. But I can not get it, as the ISO is UDF. How can I do it, oh Lord_15:34
AlanBellcan't say I have tried to install anything newer than XP15:37
MooDoonormally I do it the other way around, install windows first then ubuntu....15:38
AlanBellperhaps the folk in ##windows could help you, it just isn't a problem we are likely to know the answer to15:38
UldicsThe problem now is to get editing UDF15:38
Uldicswindows first then ubuntu I know, the stupidest system first :D15:39
UldicsI have unplugged all other disks when installing W715:39
UldicsThat forum post have been on, no help15:40
Uldicsisomaster doesn help15:40
Uldicsthat is exactly what I want to do, delete that one file15:40
Uldicsbut my system only shows a txt with text that this is udf system15:41
MooDooI think you just need to "ubuntu edit udf iso" search for that in google, there are loads of pages regarding it15:42
UldicsAlanBell: The #windows people do not know anything about othe file systems than fat32 and ntfs15:42
Uldicsloads of pages, but any good? Will try now15:42
Uldicshehe, all pages been on :D :(15:43
AlanBellseems there have been a few attempts to support UDF, but not that great, and no longer really supported15:43
Uldicsok, that explains15:44
AlanBelljust not a particularly valuable problem to solve I guess15:44
AlanBellhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-udf/ somewhat abandonned in 200815:44
Uldicsthen what the hell, just need to download the illegal version and keep on15:44
AlanBellhttp://www.bitwizard.nl/udf/ stopped in 199815:44
MooDooisn't downloading the iso of windows ok as long as you have a valid license?15:45
AlanBellyou would have to ask Microsoft15:46
Uldicsit is, but you can not get an image of OEM version15:46
UldicsMS says, you just buy, NOW!!!15:46
Uldicshave been on their forums15:46
MooDoowell you sholdn't need to as you mentioned you had a valid oem license...15:46
Uldicsthats why I need to manipulate their ISO to remove one file, so it accepts also OEM key15:47
Uldicsit is to mee too indeed strange15:47
Myrttiplease tell me that the roundabouuts feel not so horrible if you're driving and not the passenger16:01
mungbeananyone used acetoneISO ?16:02
mungbeanUldics: might help you16:03
mungbeanAcetoneISO will let You mount typical proprietary images formats of the Windows world such as ISO BIN NRG MDF IMG and do plenty of other things.16:03
Uldicshmm, I think I have it, but it didnt help, will check right now16:09
Uldicsgot it mounted, thats a step forward16:11
Uldicsbut just after unsuccessful point and click , which gave a correct terminal command to get it16:13
Uldicsnow the question gets, how to get it changed and still bootable - it mounted it only read only16:13
UldicsI understand I can just copy files to a new folder16:14
Uldicsbut when I will try to make a new iso, it will not be 1. UDF and 2. bootable like normal W7 DVDs16:14
Uldicsor should I forget the UDF and make new bootable DVD (plain ISO) with unetbootin?16:16
AlanBellor use a real operating system :)16:17
Uldicsyes, I am using, just wanted to play some games since I have got a hold of a PC with legal sticker16:17
Uldicsand the newest games arent ready for Linux16:18
Uldicsnot that I dont like it16:18
Uldicsits much better than MS16:18
MooDoonothing in steam Uldics ?16:23
* AlanBell doesn't really do games16:27
AlanBellmy son was getting me to help on some lego thing on the PS3 earlier, I kept flipping characters or something, I could barely work out which one I was supposed to be controlling16:27
popeyjust finished playing minecraft with the kids16:29
DJonespopey: Have you  seen Laura's map since a reset, its interesting16:29
popeyhaha, that is odd16:30
popeyhttp://sass.shmoo.com/snowflake that one?16:30
DJonesSeriously odd, Yep, thats the one16:30
DJonesSpiders web16:31
popeyhttp://popey.mooo.com/home/#/24/64/248/-5/0/0 is our little home16:31
popeyoh, map not updated16:31
MooDoothat's changed a bit from the last time I looked at the map16:31
DJonesLaura wanted Savanah, so we kept exploring till some was found16:32
DJonesI made a 22,000 block walk northwards, took ages :)16:33
UldicsMooDoo: The game I am fan of is not on Steam, unfortunately only on DX16:41
UldicsSo Wine, Playonlinux and so on is not optional16:42
mungbeancan anyone recommend a good and economic(lol) colour multi finction printer for my mum?16:43
popeymungbean: printware.co.uk have price per print for all their printers i believe16:47
mungbeangreat, cheers16:50
* DJones gives up on Canonical/Ubuntu answering a question on askubuntu, basically, we've changed our policy, but have no idea how it will affect users, we haven't thought that far ahead18:20
daftykinswhat was the question?18:21
DJonesdaftykins: If you're using 12.10 how will you upgrade in February 2014 & onwards, 13.04 goes EOL in January 2014, but 12.10 not until April 2014, so if you use 12.10 and don't upgrade to 14.04 before January and then to 13.10, how will you upgrade in future?18:23
shaunohopefully the answer is a nice simple "we won't turf 13.04 off the mirrors the moment it's EOL, so you can upgrade to one and then the other"18:24
daftykinsdon't the repos stay available, just slightly more awkward to update with? when a release goes EOL18:24
DJonesThats what you would hope, but trying to get somebody to confirm it is impossible18:25
shaunothey stay available on old-releases.u.c, but they're rarely expired off the main mirrors the moment they're EOL18:25
DJonesAnswers so far have been to manually amend your sources list to oldreleases etc, but for the new/inexperienced users thats not a good reply18:26
shaunousually it's a few months later when people who meant to upgrade but put it on the backburner completely forget about it, and then act surprised when apt-get goes blank18:26
DJonesshauno: Yeah, but 3 months?18:26
DJonesI honestly don't think the people who decided to reduce lifespans actually though the consequences through18:27
DJonesIts a one off, won't happen against after 12.10, but, now is too late to be making a decision about it18:27
daftykinsi still come from the old school thinking that 'upgrades' are risky and go funny :D18:29
daftykinsbut then i don't run Ubuntu on the desktop anywhere really, that would give me any exposure to how well it works18:29
shaunoI only have ubuntu-desktop in VMs, where it tends to get delete because it's boring, long before it needs upgrading19:16
diddledaneww @ pink re: the hello kitty keyboard from earlier19:33
diddledanthe keyboard doesn't offend me other than that and the azerty layout19:33
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