[00:04] <penguin42> shauno: Scary picture of their chunk of listing
[00:05] <shauno> hah, yeah.  "still small enough to fit in one listing"
[00:18] <penguin42> shauno: I'm guessing as in one box of fanfold
[00:19] <shauno> yaknow, I don't miss fanfold.  I had a whole tonne of paper that was green & white striped fanfold, with the perforated truck strips on the sides, in landscape
[00:19] <shauno> and I could never, ever, convince my printer to match the line-height of those green & white lines.
[00:20] <AlanBell> suspect I still have some in the loft
[00:20] <ali1234> man... that old fan fold paper with the green stripes on it
[00:20] <AlanBell> and a 132 column dot matrix printer
[00:20] <ali1234> shauno: yeah, exactly... what were they for anyway?
[00:20] <shauno> I suspect it was a test for OCD
[00:20] <AlanBell> I always thought it was something to do with accountants liking them
[00:22] <ali1234> http://www.pdp8online.com/images/greenbar.shtml
[00:30] <popey> i used to set a job going over night, if it failed it would end up with a proper mush of green/white fanfold
[00:30] <penguin42> all the fanfold I ever used was just plain white
[00:31] <penguin42> shauno: No, the OCD is what happens when you're left with a pile of fanout with detachable holes, and you gently sit there peeling them off and tearing them up. Ahem
[09:00] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:01] <MartijnVdS> morning MooDoo
[09:01] <dwatkins> allo allo
[09:01] <MartijnVdS> The Nexus 5 seems to be very light on battery usage
[09:02] <MartijnVdS> Just did an hour-long run, with GPS on, and battery was still at 96%
[09:03] <dwatkins> I gather new phones don't need to use full power for the GPS.
[09:03] <MooDoo> oooo thinking of getting one of them myself
[09:03] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: it's gotten better through the years :)
[09:03] <MartijnVdS> it also has some kind of offloading chip for sound output, lowering battery use when playing music
[09:03] <dwatkins> ah, it's an Android 4.4 feature
[09:04] <dwatkins> "The feature is designed to poll sensors less frequently on the Nexus 5, but Google is partnering with chipset makers to make it available on other devices."
[09:04] <MartijnVdS> it's full of nifty tricks :)
[09:05] <dwatkins> I still can't believe they had to partner with Nestle, perhaps they couldn't think of a pudding beginning with 'K'.
[09:05] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: the original name was to be "Key Lime Pie"
[09:05] <MartijnVdS> but nobody could remember that, I guess
[09:05] <dwatkins> haha ok
[09:05] <dwatkins> What's next, Android Lion Bar?
[09:05] <MartijnVdS> who knows :)
[09:06] <MartijnVdS> Lion Bar, M&M, Nutella
[09:06] <dwatkins> Androidn 6.0 Marathon [after they rename Snickers back again]
[09:07] <MartijnVdS> they could do Raider, then 2 versions later Twix
[09:07] <dwatkins> Opal Fruits
[09:08] <MartijnVdS> Not all of those have the same name internationally though
[09:08] <dwatkins> indeed
[09:09] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: people on reddit were suggesting L to be "Lollipop" or "Lemon Meringue Pie" 8-)
[09:10] <dwatkins> It'll be Lion Bar, I reckon.
[09:11] <MooDoo> not sure about that, too close to osx lion
[09:11] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: and OSX Mavericks isn't too close to Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat?
[09:12] <dwatkins> ah yes, perhaps Life Savers or Licorice Allsorts.
[09:12] <MartijnVdS> , it may contain emulsifiers such as soy lecithin and flavors such as vanilla.
[09:12] <MartijnVdS> In most of the, it may contain emulsifiers such as soy lecithin and flavors such as vanilla.
[09:12] <MartijnVdS> uhh.. what did my mouse just do?
[09:12] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: ok good point :)
[09:13] <dwatkins> paste stuff?
[09:13] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: Life Saver would be a great name :)
[09:14] <dwatkins> Mavericks is a silly name, as it starts an entirely new theme, when the animals one was going great.
[09:14] <MartijnVdS> they sort of ran out of big cats
[09:15] <dwatkins> It's like naming your servers after Star Trek characters, then suddenly switching to constellations.
[09:15] <MartijnVdS> sure the ocelot was still available, except Ubuntu took it
[09:16] <dwatkins> There are plenty of more awesome creatures... http://imgur.com/r/Otters/jN93zpe
[09:16] <MartijnVdS> but.. not cats!
[09:16] <dwatkins> I'm working up to cats.
[09:16] <dwatkins> oh was it cats? I thought it was just animals.... hmm
[09:16] <dwatkins> Leopard, Tiger, yeah I see it now
[09:16] <dwatkins> Why not switch to dogs, then?
[09:17] <MartijnVdS> CATS: All your base are belong to us. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/03/Aybabtu.png
[09:17] <dwatkins> haha
[10:44] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:44] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon how are you?
[10:46] <brobostigon> MooDoo: depressed, and my eczema is bad, and you?
[10:51] <MooDoo> brobostigon: i'm at work....still it's not too bad here
[10:52] <brobostigon> MooDoo: :( :)
[11:42] <popey> quiet day ☻
[11:42] <MooDoo> yeah, people still recovering from last night probably lol
[11:43]  * MartijnVdS is a bit exhausted from running earlier
[11:43] <brobostigon> i am still in shock, kate gave me back her engagement ring, last night.
[11:44] <popey> oops
[11:44] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: :(
[11:44] <MooDoo> brobostigon: oh no :(
[11:44] <brobostigon> it was a good 6 months, nonetheless.
[11:45] <MooDoo> :(
[11:45] <brobostigon> :(
[12:12] <nigelb> brobostigon: :(
[12:12] <nigelb> popey: I was a bit surprised not seeing your name in the CC nominees :)
[12:12] <meraj> helo i am new to ubuntu and want to install wine  can you plz help me
[12:12] <popey> oh?
[12:12] <popey> meraj: sure, if you ask your question
[12:12] <popey> oh, you did ☻
[12:12] <popey> meraj: sudo apt-get install wine
[12:13] <nigelb> Or look for wine in the software center
[12:13] <meraj> ubuntu  13.10 i have wine in my pen drive  and want to install
[12:13] <popey> nigelb: i've already served on the cc in the past, stepped down to focus on other things, then got hired by canoical
[12:13] <meraj> that code is not working
[12:13] <popey> meraj: what happens?
[12:13] <nigelb> can you pastebin the output?
[12:14] <meraj> says unable tp locate package
[12:14] <meraj> tp is to
[12:14] <MarquessDeBonBon> MartijnVdS are you dressing as Zwarte Piet this year?
[12:14] <brobostigon> sudo apt-get update     . then try again.
[12:14] <popey> meraj: is the machine you're installing wine on connected to the internet?
[12:15] <MarquessDeBonBon> http://www.sinterklaasfabriek.nl/project/userfiles/sinterklaas-en-zwarte-piet.jpg lol Holland
[12:15] <meraj> no the code not working some index file faile to download
[12:15] <meraj> no its another computer
[12:16] <popey> meraj: can you connect the machine to the internet?
[12:16] <meraj> says could not resolve security.ubuntu.com
[12:16] <meraj>  my net setter is not being shown in that
[12:16] <meraj> how to connect
[12:17] <meraj> else i have to switch win7 of that laptop to connect
[12:18] <popey> meraj: http://askubuntu.com/questions/974/how-can-i-install-software-or-packages-without-internet-offline
[12:18]  * popey goes for lunch
[12:22] <meraj> explain em sir i am unable to solve it
[12:23] <MartijnVdS> meraj: The best chance is to get that machine connected to the internet. Does it have a wireless chip? Ethernet port/
[12:23] <MartijnVdS> ?
[12:25] <meraj> ok am tryng
[12:26] <MartijnVdS> meraj: That's doesn't answer the questions: what kind of machine is it? Does it have wifi? Does it have ethernet?
[12:26] <MartijnVdS> (is it a laptop? a desktop? something else?)
[12:27] <meraj> it has wifi and is laptop
[12:27] <MartijnVdS> meraj: and the network icon is not in the top right?
[12:27] <MartijnVdS> meraj: you might get more/faster help on #ubuntu
[13:17] <mungbean> MartijnVdS: https://plus.google.com/photos/113770755938741426586/albums/5941851279821101745/5941851282157336802?sqi=104613975513761463450&sqsi=f519a7cd-31d2-4c2a-a6a1-f3bb617eb0fd&pid=5941851282157336802&oid=113770755938741426586
[13:18] <mungbean> wow hideous url
[13:37] <MartijnVdS> wasn't there a P2P network called that?
[13:39] <brobostigon> i must be sad, watching ghostbusters on ch5.
[13:39] <mgdm> brobostigon: no, that is the very opposite of sad
[13:39] <mgdm> Ghostbusters is brilliant
[13:39] <brobostigon> :)
[13:40] <mgdm> MartijnVdS: yeah, there was
[13:40] <MooDoo> mgdm: just don't cross the streams
[13:40] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: .. eww?
[13:40] <mgdm> good advice for any situation
[13:41] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: eww? have you not seeing ghostbusters?
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: I have :)
[13:59] <moonracker> hi guys - where can i get technical support on ubuntu 13.04 video issues?
[13:59] <MooDoo> ask
[13:59] <MooDoo> !ask
[13:59] <MooDoo> ;)
[14:03] <moonracker> !patience
[14:15] <DJones> Maybe !details would be a better factoid
[14:15] <DJones> !details
[14:15] <DJones> Rather than scaring somebody away
[14:16] <DJones> Or pointing them to #ubuntu
[14:16] <MooDoo> raaaaaaaaa i'm not scarey
[14:16]  * DJones suggests looking in a mirror :)
[14:16] <MooDoo> :p
[14:17] <DJones> I've seen photo's NEVER AGAIN
[14:17] <MooDoo> well i did warn you
[14:17] <DJones> :)
[14:26] <Myrtti> meh, I can't find a keyboard that I'd like
[14:35] <AlanBell> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hello-Kitty-Keyboard-Mouse-Kit/dp/B0086VY8BM
[14:36] <Myrtti> erm no.
[14:48] <shauno> eww, AZERTY
[14:59] <AlanBell> shauno: yeah, that was the only problem I could see with it too
[15:01] <mgdm> I think those autoresponder things in the bot are counterproductive
[15:02] <mgdm> granted I'm not the most useful person around here at any one time
[15:02] <AlanBell> mgdm: yeah, some of them can be at times (some are dead handy)
[15:03] <AlanBell> mgdm: which factoids would you remove?
[15:08] <AlanBell> http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu&search=&order=popularity%20DESC&page=0 !ask is the top of the list, used just over 30,000 times
[15:10] <MooDoo> so are we saying we shouldn't use !ask?
[15:12] <AlanBell> not really, just having a chat about the usefulness of factoids
[15:13] <MooDoo> ah ok
[15:27] <Uldics> Hi!
[15:29] <AlanBell> hi Uldics
[15:30] <MooDoo> hello Uldics
[15:34] <Uldics> I know this is walking on edge. But simple and sincere things. I am bonified now. I wish to install Windows 7 on my Ubuntu box, just for games. I have the sticker and all the legal stuff is orrrighty. The hurdle seems to be in MS way to get people legally to their OS. It seems impossible. First I tried downloading (from official distributor) an ISO file of Win7 PRO. It would not even start installing from USB flash - it finds disks, can delete
[15:34] <Uldics> and create a partition to install on, but when it comes to installing, then its all halfsix and nothing is possible - it can not even find its own created partition. That seems rather strange if I may only use polite words. Then I bought the obsolete form of empty media - DVD-R, burned same image to it and can install. But the legal PC can not accept the registration, the key is not good - I have Win 7 PRO OEM sticker, which has no ISOs
[15:34] <Uldics> available. So it can be installed, but not registered. What a bummer. So I need an ISO editor on Ubuntu. But I can not get it, as the ISO is UDF. How can I do it, oh Lord_
[15:37] <AlanBell> can't say I have tried to install anything newer than XP
[15:38] <MooDoo> normally I do it the other way around, install windows first then ubuntu....
[15:38] <AlanBell> perhaps the folk in ##windows could help you, it just isn't a problem we are likely to know the answer to
[15:38] <Uldics> The problem now is to get editing UDF
[15:39] <Uldics> windows first then ubuntu I know, the stupidest system first :D
[15:39] <MooDoo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1559374
[15:39] <Uldics> I have unplugged all other disks when installing W7
[15:40] <Uldics> That forum post have been on, no help
[15:40] <Uldics> isomaster doesn help
[15:40] <Uldics> that is exactly what I want to do, delete that one file
[15:41] <Uldics> but my system only shows a txt with text that this is udf system
[15:42] <MooDoo> I think you just need to "ubuntu edit udf iso" search for that in google, there are loads of pages regarding it
[15:42] <Uldics> AlanBell: The #windows people do not know anything about othe file systems than fat32 and ntfs
[15:42] <Uldics> loads of pages, but any good? Will try now
[15:43] <Uldics> hehe, all pages been on :D :(
[15:43] <AlanBell> seems there have been a few attempts to support UDF, but not that great, and no longer really supported
[15:44] <Uldics> ok, that explains
[15:44] <AlanBell> just not a particularly valuable problem to solve I guess
[15:44] <AlanBell> http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-udf/ somewhat abandonned in 2008
[15:44] <Uldics> then what the hell, just need to download the illegal version and keep on
[15:44] <AlanBell> http://www.bitwizard.nl/udf/ stopped in 1998
[15:45] <MooDoo> isn't downloading the iso of windows ok as long as you have a valid license?
[15:46] <AlanBell> you would have to ask Microsoft
[15:46] <Uldics> it is, but you can not get an image of OEM version
[15:46] <Uldics> MS says, you just buy, NOW!!!
[15:46] <Uldics> have been on their forums
[15:46] <MooDoo> well you sholdn't need to as you mentioned you had a valid oem license...
[15:46] <Uldics> exactly
[15:47] <MooDoo> strange....
[15:47] <Uldics> thats why I need to manipulate their ISO to remove one file, so it accepts also OEM key
[15:47] <Uldics> it is to mee too indeed strange
[16:01] <Myrtti> please tell me that the roundabouuts feel not so horrible if you're driving and not the passenger
[16:01] <MooDoo> ;)
[16:02] <mungbean> anyone used acetoneISO ?
[16:03] <mungbean> Uldics: might help you
[16:03] <mungbean> AcetoneISO will let You mount typical proprietary images formats of the Windows world such as ISO BIN NRG MDF IMG and do plenty of other things.
[16:09] <Uldics> hmm, I think I have it, but it didnt help, will check right now
[16:11] <Uldics> got it mounted, thats a step forward
[16:13] <Uldics> but just after unsuccessful point and click , which gave a correct terminal command to get it
[16:13] <Uldics> now the question gets, how to get it changed and still bootable - it mounted it only read only
[16:14] <Uldics> I understand I can just copy files to a new folder
[16:14] <Uldics> but when I will try to make a new iso, it will not be 1. UDF and 2. bootable like normal W7 DVDs
[16:16] <Uldics> or should I forget the UDF and make new bootable DVD (plain ISO) with unetbootin?
[16:17] <AlanBell> or use a real operating system :)
[16:17] <Uldics> yes, I am using, just wanted to play some games since I have got a hold of a PC with legal sticker
[16:18] <Uldics> and the newest games arent ready for Linux
[16:18] <Uldics> not that I dont like it
[16:18] <Uldics> its much better than MS
[16:23] <MooDoo> nothing in steam Uldics ?
[16:27]  * AlanBell doesn't really do games
[16:27] <AlanBell> my son was getting me to help on some lego thing on the PS3 earlier, I kept flipping characters or something, I could barely work out which one I was supposed to be controlling
[16:28] <popey> bless
[16:29] <popey> just finished playing minecraft with the kids
[16:29] <DJones> popey: Have you  seen Laura's map since a reset, its interesting
[16:29] <popey> no
[16:30] <popey> haha, that is odd
[16:30] <popey> http://sass.shmoo.com/snowflake that one?
[16:30] <DJones> Seriously odd, Yep, thats the one
[16:31] <DJones> Spiders web
[16:31] <popey> http://popey.mooo.com/home/#/24/64/248/-5/0/0 is our little home
[16:31] <popey> oh, map not updated
[16:31] <MooDoo> that's changed a bit from the last time I looked at the map
[16:32] <DJones> Laura wanted Savanah, so we kept exploring till some was found
[16:33] <DJones> I made a 22,000 block walk northwards, took ages :)
[16:41] <Uldics> MooDoo: The game I am fan of is not on Steam, unfortunately only on DX
[16:42] <Uldics> So Wine, Playonlinux and so on is not optional
[16:43] <mungbean> can anyone recommend a good and economic(lol) colour multi finction printer for my mum?
[16:47] <popey> mungbean: printware.co.uk have price per print for all their printers i believe
[16:50] <mungbean> great, cheers
[18:20]  * DJones gives up on Canonical/Ubuntu answering a question on askubuntu, basically, we've changed our policy, but have no idea how it will affect users, we haven't thought that far ahead
[18:21] <daftykins> what was the question?
[18:23] <DJones> daftykins: If you're using 12.10 how will you upgrade in February 2014 & onwards, 13.04 goes EOL in January 2014, but 12.10 not until April 2014, so if you use 12.10 and don't upgrade to 14.04 before January and then to 13.10, how will you upgrade in future?
[18:24] <shauno> hopefully the answer is a nice simple "we won't turf 13.04 off the mirrors the moment it's EOL, so you can upgrade to one and then the other"
[18:24] <daftykins> don't the repos stay available, just slightly more awkward to update with? when a release goes EOL
[18:25] <DJones> Thats what you would hope, but trying to get somebody to confirm it is impossible
[18:25] <shauno> they stay available on old-releases.u.c, but they're rarely expired off the main mirrors the moment they're EOL
[18:26] <DJones> Answers so far have been to manually amend your sources list to oldreleases etc, but for the new/inexperienced users thats not a good reply
[18:26] <shauno> usually it's a few months later when people who meant to upgrade but put it on the backburner completely forget about it, and then act surprised when apt-get goes blank
[18:26] <DJones> shauno: Yeah, but 3 months?
[18:26] <daftykins> hehehe
[18:27] <DJones> I honestly don't think the people who decided to reduce lifespans actually though the consequences through
[18:27] <DJones> Its a one off, won't happen against after 12.10, but, now is too late to be making a decision about it
[18:29] <daftykins> i still come from the old school thinking that 'upgrades' are risky and go funny :D
[18:29] <daftykins> but then i don't run Ubuntu on the desktop anywhere really, that would give me any exposure to how well it works
[19:16] <shauno> I only have ubuntu-desktop in VMs, where it tends to get delete because it's boring, long before it needs upgrading
[19:33] <diddledan> eww @ pink re: the hello kitty keyboard from earlier
[19:33] <diddledan> the keyboard doesn't offend me other than that and the azerty layout