[00:00] <Dr_Willis> ozberk:  you might want to at least summarize the issue.  Not many people will go to a random video
[00:01] <ozberk> ok guys last summarize as you can see that video I can^t login to google chrome
[00:01] <ozberk> my e-mail and pasword are tru
[00:01] <ozberk> e
[00:02] <blurkis> reisio, not really. Just prefers gnome and well even though I can do with 3.8, some part of me always wants the newest.. same reasen I didnt stick with 13.04 :)
[00:03] <ahoneybun> has anyone had issues with steam on 13.10?
[00:04] <wilee-nilee> jubale, The gnome shell has some extensions that might serve you needs.
[00:04] <ahoneybun> steam is having issues connecting to steam servers
[00:04] <ARCILITE> Hello.
[00:05] <ahoneybun> ARCILITE, hello
[00:05] <ozberk> Dr_Willis: I guess no body can't help me with that
[00:05] <k1l> ahoneybun: no problem here
[00:05] <ahoneybun> weird
[00:06]  * ahoneybun thinks it has to do with bumblebee
[00:06] <Dr_Willis> ozberk:  see if a newly made user works. thats standard debugging procedure
[00:06] <AgentSmith> Mr. Anderson
[00:06] <Dr_Willis> ozberk:  if a new user can. that points to some setting issue with the problem user
[00:07] <AgentSmith> Me, yes me.
[00:07] <AgentSmith> Me me me.
[00:10] <PDilyard> you know its bad when you accidentally type "sudo apt-get" in the ubuntu software center search bar
[00:10] <AgentSmith> "I drank too much wine; now I must (use the restroom). Cause and effect.''
[00:11] <tfh> hi, after I upgraded ubuntu to 13.10, my keyboard layout (language) switching shortcut stopped working. I looked online and found a few entries on askubuntu about a bug and that there is an unofficial patch to fix it, I tried that and it still doesn't work ... or I don't understand what the words mean in the short cut, so I want to be able to switch by pressing the Left Alt and Shit keys, but that doesn't work
[00:11] <inokios> http://www.theweeklypay.com/index.php?share=19844/
[00:11] <AgentSmith> Reboot.
[00:12] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, I am back on 13.10 after booting to XP and fixing some security issues
[00:12] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: sweet
[00:13] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, so now I would like to wipe out 13.10 and 12.04.3 while keeping Windows XP intact.
[00:13] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: boot to a live cd and connect up your external drive
[00:14] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: install xchat, or use chatzilla, or whichever you'd like and get back here then
[00:14] <inokios> http://www.theweeklypay.com/index.php?share=19844/
[00:15] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, the external drive may not have sufficient storage for both 12.04.3 and 13.10
[00:15] <Zor> does xdmcp with lightdm require an actual display on the machine running it? I've enabled xdmcp in lightdm.conf, but starting it causes it to bail immediately because it can't find a display (the machine is headless)
[00:15] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: can you make the space?
[00:15] <k1l> inokios: no advertising allowed in the ubuntu channels
[00:16] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: if not, just through the partitions and backup any data you want to keep
[00:16] <inokios> http://www.theweeklypay.com/index.php?share=19844/
[00:17] <k1l> inokios: please stop that advertising. it is against the channel guidelines
[00:17] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, how do I determine the GB in sda5 and sda7?
[00:18] <AgentSmith> Reboot.
[00:19] <k1l> AgentSmith: please be helpfull in here.
[00:20] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: have a peak in gparted or mount them and have a look at df -h
[00:20] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: sorry, lsblk will tell you the size too
[00:22] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, I was using du, but lsblk is better and in GB!
[00:24] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, not enough storage in the external - I need to wipe out sda5, sda6, and sda7, creating a 2.6G Swap
[00:24] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: then save your data on its own
[00:24] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: it's probably all in /home that you need
[00:25] <hitsujiTMO> on both installs
[00:25] <spyke581> Ive accidentally reformatted one of the drive in my BTRFS array during an ubuntu install. Do I start with data recovery or should i set the array back up and then restore it?
[00:25] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: boot the live cd still and i'll talk you through it
[00:25] <Dr_Willis> intrader:   du -h  -> i think gives mb.
[00:26] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, now I get it
[00:27] <ZeThomas> hey I'm trying to install ubuntu but at the very end of the install procedure i get the error "Executing 'grub-install /dev/sdb' failed. This is a fatal error
[00:27] <jmgk> hi ZeTh
[00:27] <jmgk> Eth0R3_,
[00:27] <jmgk> Dr_Willis,
[00:27] <jmgk> :)
[00:27] <FloodBot1> jmgk: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:27] <jmgk> ZeThomas,
[00:27] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, I'll be back from the live CD. see you soon
[00:27] <reisio> ZeThomas: reboot and run 'try' then we can do some things
[00:28] <Kromaz> can anyone please suggest a good webcam?
[00:28] <ZeThomas> reiso: on it
[00:29] <wilee-nilee> Kromaz, we don't really do polls here but take a look http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/
[00:29] <Ari-Yang> okay, so right now I got this error from E17 http://paste.opensuse.org/view/raw/44648643 dunno why
[00:29] <reisio> Kromaz: cheap logitech at walmart
[00:29] <wilee-nilee> most will probably work
[00:30] <gassho> :c
[00:30] <Ari-Yang> so then I opened up a gedit and saved it as test in documents.... and I get "could not save the file /home/test"
[00:30] <Kromaz> wilee-nilee: been try to get an old intel cs330 working with no luck
[00:30] <reisio> Kromaz: go to store, find model, check model against http://www.ideasonboard.org/uvc/ list
[00:30] <gassho> both synaptic and sudo apt-get list more than 5 instances of failing to fetch repo updates ;-;
[00:30] <Ari-Yang> "you are trying to save the file on a read-only disk. Please check that the location correctly and try again.
[00:30] <Ari-Yang> why am I getting this all of a sudden?
[00:31] <gassho> 404 ;-;
[00:31] <Kromaz> thanks guy's will check out the links
[00:31] <thiagomds> good morning
[00:33] <gassho> thiagomds: http://yuni.deviantart.com/art/Early-Bird-244267275
[00:33] <ZeThomas> reisio: I'm in (with nomodeset).
[00:33] <Ari-Yang> just ran gksudo gedit n terminal and got "Unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file."
[00:33] <reisio> ZeThomas: okay, so are you trying to do a dual boot?
[00:33] <ZeThomas> reisio: i immediately get an error in ubiquity
[00:34] <reisio> ZeThomas: hrmm?
[00:35] <dell> hello
[00:35] <reisio> hi
[00:35] <Jordan_U> Ari-Yang: What is the output of "ls -l ~/.ICEauthority"?
[00:35] <ZeThomas> reisio: no, just a simple one, but my sda4 i want mounted as /home, and my sdb i want to install the new systemon
[00:36] <Ari-Yang> Jordan_U: it's -rw------- 1 x x 30792 Oct 17 13:18 /home/x/.ICEauthority
[00:36] <Ari-Yang> I'm not sure what that means...
[00:36] <Jordan_U> Ari-Yang: Is your username 'x'?
[00:36] <Ari-Yang> Jordan_U: no, I just replaced my username with x
[00:36] <Gentoon> Why when I do sudo apt-get update do I keep getting errors like
[00:37] <arvut> this line: sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ $(lsb_release -sc) partner"
[00:37] <Ari-Yang> Jordan_U: like it's -rw------- 1 username-here username-here 30792 Oct 17 13:18 /home/username-here/.ICEauthority
[00:37] <Gentoon>  Failed to fetch http://packages.medibuntu.org/dists/quantal/non-free/binary-i386/Packages  Something wicked happened resolving 'packages.medibuntu.org:http'
[00:37] <arvut> is it correct?
[00:37] <Gentoon> Howcome Ubuntu is always broken
[00:37] <arvut> lol
[00:37] <Ari-Yang> Jordan_U: but does that output look good or bad? I don't really understand it....
[00:37] <Gentoon> I just want a stable Linux Distro
[00:37] <Gentoon> Think I should go back to Debian
[00:38] <arvut> and your name -n is one
[00:38] <Gentoon> It is just a simple apt-get update
[00:38] <Pici> Gentoon: I'm not sure what "Ubuntu" has to do with medibuntu going offline. Neither the Ubuntu project nor Canonical run that site.
[00:38] <Gentoon> Weird since it is a default repo off a vanilla install?
[00:38] <Jordan_U> Ari-Yang: That output looks correct, it tells me that the file ~/.ICEauthority exists and is properly owned by your user.
[00:38] <Gentoon> Herp Derp
[00:39] <Gentoon> But blame it on someone else
[00:39] <Jordan_U> Gentoon: It's not a default repository.
[00:39] <Gentoon> Typical Ubuntu Community
[00:39] <ZeThomas> reisio: "Sorry, Ubuntu 13.10 has experienced an internal error. ExecutablePath /usr/lib/ubiquity/bin/ubiquity. Title: ubiquity crashed with IndecError in _getiter(): could not find tree path '11'"
[00:39] <Gentoon> Really, cause it came out of the box
[00:39] <Ari-Yang> Jordan_U: and a popup window shows up and says this http://paste.opensuse.org/44648643
[00:39] <Gentoon> So, yes it is.
[00:39] <Ari-Yang> Jordan_U: think it's my DE?
[00:40] <reisio> ZeThomas: from 'try'?
[00:40] <Jordan_U> Gentoon: If you would like to have a productive support discussion then please leave out the ranting.
[00:40] <Pici> Gentoon: Would you like help resolving the error?
[00:41] <ZeThomas> reisio: yes, but it's a usb with persistence, so it coulb be from the previous boot (i.e. my install attempt)
[00:42] <ZeThomas> reisio: if i press ok fter that, all seems to be working well
[00:42] <Ari-Yang> Jordan_U: if I right click on a folder and click on properties.... and the Volume says unknown, is that good?
[00:42] <Ari-Yang> Jordan_U: like the Location is displayed, but right below it the Volume says unknown
[00:42] <Jordan_U> Ari-Yang: What is the output of "ls -l ~/.Xauthority"?
[00:43] <Ari-Yang> Jordan_U: -rw------- 1 username-here username-here 55 Oct 31 01:19 /home/username-here/.Xauthority
[00:44] <arvut> hi Pici, take a look at this site pls and tell me if you think its a valid way to add reps and install skype. bit.ly/1avO8NL
[00:44] <Pici> arvut: sure, the partner repository is a real thing and those commands look fine to me.
[00:44] <Pici> !partner
[00:45] <Ari-Yang> I can't create new folder at all
[00:45] <arvut> Pici: alright, I wonder why it screwed up my buddys sources.list then.
[00:45] <arvut> he must have done something seriously wrong
[00:45] <Pici> arvut: It shouldn't touch sources.list. It should put its own file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[00:45] <xcalibur> hi, can anyone help me on Kubuntu, missing top menu items of screens?
[00:46] <arvut> ah
[00:46] <Sagitt> if there is an offical package with problems, who i've to contact?
[00:46] <arvut> he edited sources.list I think, not sure tho
[00:46] <reisio> Sagitt: launchpad
[00:46] <arvut> fun to help someone get started with linux tho. hes totally new to it
[00:46] <Jordan_U> !bug | Sagitt
[00:47] <Ari-Yang> so it seems that I currently can't create any folders or files... not sure why
[00:47] <jeffrey_f> I'm on a 13.10 and gnome.  Trying to add a printer and I see the printer identify in the search, but when I go to install it, I get a pop-dialogue "Failed to add new printer."  I switched to Unity, it was added successfully, but back under gnome, the printer seems to not work and it's network address is "localhost" when it really is 192.168.1.3 (statically set).
[00:47] <Ari-Yang> any suggestions?
[00:47] <ZeThomas> reisio: i'm in lubuntu now, through the 'try' option (with nomosetd
[00:48] <xcalibur> im running kubuntu 13.04, and  I'm missing my file menu (the topbar at every application) can anyone help me?
[00:48] <ZeThomas> what do i do now?
[00:49] <Jordan_U> xcalibur: Try asking in #kubuntu.
[00:49] <jefferson2392> hi
[00:50] <AgentSmith> Reboot.
[00:50] <Ari-Yang> here is the output on mount http://paste.opensuse.org/54010523
[00:53] <Ari-Yang> Jordan_U: did you see the output of mount?
[00:53] <Ari-Yang> http://paste.opensuse.org/54010523
[00:53] <moondog> AgentSmith: this isn't windows :)
[00:54] <lachesis> when i try using an nfs4 share, i get permission denied
[00:55] <jrib> lachesis: give the permission details for the file you are trying to access
[00:55] <lachesis> jrib, drwxrws--x 14 root fileserver 14 Sep 26 18:21 /data
[00:56] <jrib> lachesis: how did you obtain that output?
[00:56] <lachesis> jrib, using all_squash and anonuid, anongid where anonuid is in the group fileserver
[00:56] <lachesis> ls -l on the server
[00:56] <jrib> lachesis: do it on the client
[00:56] <lachesis> [00:56/pi@micke ~]$ ls -ld /data
[00:56] <lachesis> drwxrws--x 14 root 1002 14 Sep 26 18:21 /data
[00:56] <lachesis> and "sudo ls -l /data" gives permission denied
[00:57] <inokios> http://www.theweeklypay.com/index.php?share=19844/
[00:57] <tonyt> http://www.thisis50.com/profiles/blogs/first-photo-of-lax-gunman-paul-ciancia-after-being-shot-by-police
[00:57] <anternat> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[00:58] <jrib> lachesis: what is "all_squash", "anonuid", and "anongid"?
[00:58] <lachesis> what's the suggested pastebin for this channel?
[00:58] <anternat> ty staff
[00:58] <jrib> lachesis: paste.ubuntu.com
[00:59] <lachesis> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6350251/
[00:59] <lachesis> that's my /etc/exports file
[01:00] <lachesis> works great on the .81 box but not the .52 box
[01:00] <jrib> lachesis: .81?
[01:01] <lachesis> yeah
[01:01] <jrib> lachesis: .81 of what
[01:01] <lachesis> 192.168.60.81
[01:01] <jrib> ok
[01:01] <jrib> lachesis: same ubuntu version?
[01:01] <lachesis> yup
[01:01] <lachesis> 13.10 all around
[01:02] <lachesis> hmm, i mirrored the uids on the first box and not the second
[01:02] <lachesis> i thought all_squash was supposed to make that not matter
[01:02] <lachesis> maybe i'm misunderstanding
[01:02] <jrib> lachesis: i'm not familiar with the option, but I would concur with you
[01:03] <jrib> (after reading the man page)
[01:03] <jrib> lachesis: you're mounting in the same way?
[01:04] <lachesis> yep
[01:04] <jrib> lachesis: also, why do you use anongid = 1000 ?
[01:04] <lachesis> that's the group of the user i was trying to emulate
[01:04] <Ari-Yang> well I just checked the contents of /proc/mounts and saw /dev/disk/by-uuid/c569a25a-4c5c-4731-8836-2bdfd7ce3d7e / ext4 ro,relatime,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered 0 0
[01:04] <Ari-Yang> it remounted as ro
[01:05] <lachesis> jrib, oho, let me try that as the fileserver group
[01:05] <lachesis> that was it
[01:05] <lachesis> derp
[01:05] <lachesis> thx for the help
[01:05] <jrib> lachesis: sure, np
[01:06] <Gentoon> Why make the ISO's 883 MB?
[01:06] <Gentoon> Too big for CDR
[01:06] <Gentoon> Might as well put everything on it
[01:07] <AgentSmith> Cd's are 700mb.
[01:07] <Ari-Yang> !bootableusb
[01:07] <Gentoon> uBUNTU13.10 dESKTOP IS 883 mb
[01:08] <Ari-Yang> !livecd
[01:08] <Ari-Yang> !liveusb
[01:08] <SchrodingersScat> optical media is dead
[01:08] <Gentoon> i KNOW HOW TO MAKE A BOOTABLE usb
[01:08] <AgentSmith> I lost my usb key.
[01:08] <Gentoon> oPTICAL MEDIA IS NOT DEAD
[01:08] <Gentoon> oops
[01:08] <Gentoon> If you are targeting USB sticks than why limit it to 883 MB?
[01:09] <Gentoon> Why not put all the packages and make a 4GB ISO?
[01:09] <Dr_Willis> because then the server load would be much higher
[01:09] <Dr_Willis> with people downloading useless stuff
[01:09] <Gentoon> Used to have the option of a net or base install that fit on a CDR
[01:09] <Gentoon> What happened to that?
[01:09] <Dr_Willis> !minimal
[01:10] <Gentoon> Yeah, way to hard to find through the website
[01:10] <Dr_Willis> cant say ive noticed.. or really care.
[01:10] <Gentoon> where is the torent for the net install?
[01:11] <Dr_Willis> !torrents
[01:11] <Gentoon> The Net install?
[01:11] <Dr_Willis> Other flavors can be found at ......
[01:13] <triplc> hi all
[01:14] <triplc> how to tell the grub to use a specific kernel at boot? i am using 12.04.3 and wanna to default to linux 3.2
[01:14] <Dr_Willis> you can select the default item in the /etc/default/grub file
[01:15] <Dr_Willis> or make a custom entry in /etc/grub.d/40_custom
[01:15] <Dr_Willis> then set the default entry in the /etc/default/grub
[01:15] <Dr_Willis> I think the entries start counting at 0 - so it can be a little confuseing how to count them
[01:16] <Dr_Willis> the GRUB docs/wiki/ and askubuntu.com site should also have some guides on selecting the default entry
[01:16] <triplc> Dr_Willis: nice... so, after change that file, do i need to run something? like grub-update or something
[01:16] <Dr_Willis> yes. triplc
[01:16] <wilee-nilee> triplc, That is all correct info and there is a #grub channel.
[01:16] <Dr_Willis> !grub
[01:16] <Gentoon> Dr_Willis: Thanks. Sorry for being a dick.
[01:16] <deper29> triplc: just change GRUB_DEFAULT in /etc/default/grub
[01:17] <triplc> ok thanks
[01:17] <deper29> your default is likely 0, just change it accordingly then 'sudo update-grub'
[01:17] <Dr_Willis> some of the newer releses have th older kernels in a sub menu. Not sure how you select them to be default with the GRUB_DEFAULT item
[01:17] <Gentoon> Just don't think Optical Media is dead is all. I do Desktop Support and anything we dont push via Ghost we use Optical media.. Can't expect every PC in a workplace to have BIOS that support booting USB
[01:18] <tp1999111> hey can anyone help me, when i try to install lubuntu, i get  an error "Executing 'grub-install /dev/sda' failed. This is a fatal error."
[01:18] <wilee-nilee> tp1999111, This a uefi? when and where is this happening?
[01:19] <Dr_Willis> Gentoon:  we have no controll over how the ubuntu devs do things.
[01:19] <tp1999111> wilee-nilee: uefi is disabled in b
[01:19] <tp1999111> wilee-n
[01:19] <wilee-nilee> tp1999111, still a uefi would not install to the mbr is all.
[01:19] <tp1999111> wilee-nilee, uefi is disabled
[01:20] <wilee-nilee> still a uefi would not install to the mbr is all.
[01:20] <wilee-nilee> lol
[01:20] <tp1999111> nwilee-nilee in bios, this happens at the end of the install procedure, when all is set up and copied
[01:21] <wilee-nilee> tp1999111, Ah install thanks, is b a HD?
[01:22] <wilee-nilee> or a partition?
[01:22] <tp1999111> wilee-nilee, sorry, since my computeris now a brick, i have to use my ipad for irc... sdb is a hdd, indeed
[01:24] <wilee-nilee> tp1999111, Internal or external HD?
[01:25] <wilee-nilee> tp1999111, We often recommended the bootrepair app it can be run from a live ubuntu cd. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[01:25] <tp1999111> wilee-nilee, internal; normally i use the biggest sda partition to be mounted as /home, and the sdb (a sdd disk) as my main drive
[01:26] <wilee-nilee> tp1999111, Sounds like a uefi if there is an error with a mbr load, do you know what uefi is? THos is not an apple computer is it?
[01:27] <mythfan> Any know where i can find infos to know if a partition is flaged as bootable...  Installed linhes and got no disk error not able to boot the hd ... I have mythbuntu live cd... So i want to know if i can check partition with this live mythbuntu cd
[01:27] <deper29> Dr_Willis: seems if you want to set a default kernel that's within that submenu you basically have to make your own menuentry by editing /etc/grub.d files
[01:27] <Dr_Willis> mythfan:  sudo fdisk -l         i recall can show the boot flag
[01:27] <tp1999111> wilee-nilee, no it is a toshiba laptop
[01:27] <Dr_Willis> deper29:  yea. thatw why i mentioned the 40_custome file ;)
[01:28] <Dr_Willis> deper29:  i tend to rename 40_custom to somthing of a lower # that way i alwyas get it first if i need it.
[01:28] <deper29> Dr_Willis: ahh, I skimmed over that I guess.
[01:28] <wilee-nilee> tp1999111, Try the bootrepair thang it seems to fix many problems without the fun of doing it from the command line like we used to.
[01:28] <mythfan> Dr_willis if i go in term from the live cd fdisk -l show notting.... Do i have to mont disk
[01:29] <wilee-nilee> tp1999111, Be sure to save the bootinfo summary url generated
[01:29] <Ari-Yang> well looks like I'll have to run fsck (reboot), but I'll do it in a livecd
[01:29] <ritesh_> g
[01:31] <PDilyard> the auto-hide launcher in unity doesnt work for me....i move my mouse to the side and it doesnt reveal it
[01:32]  * wilee-nilee watches Unsealed: Alien Files; Subject "Aliens may invade homes while occupants are asleep."
[01:32] <fishduck> so.. where is gimp stored?
[01:33] <Dr_Willis> mythfan:  fdisk shows all disks and partions the system sees. you then can mount weht you want
[01:33] <areilox> /usr/share/gimp, probably
[01:33] <wilee-nilee> there coming to take you away haha
[01:33] <areilox> er, lib
[01:33] <areilox> /usr/lib/gimp, at least on my box
[01:33] <Dr_Willis> fishduck:  in  the proper system directories...
[01:33] <Dr_Willis> ;)
[01:34] <Dr_Willis> locate gimp
[01:34] <nimbo> hello all, i'm having a problem with the ubuntu 13.10 amd64, unity dash background on my eeepc
[01:34] <nimbo> the background is all black
[01:35] <nimbo> tried turning on or off blur, statis or dynamic
[01:35] <wilee-nilee> nimbo, Have you tweaked it beyond those controls?
[01:35] <nimbo> wilee-nilee: please elaborate
[01:35] <gls_tin> screen -rd
[01:36] <hitsujiTMO> nimbo: what gpu do you have? intel gma?
[01:36] <mythfan> Fdisk -l return that /dev/sda1 seem to have * under boot
[01:36] <Dr_Willis> mythfan:  thats the partion thats flagged bootable.
[01:36] <wilee-nilee> nimbo, There a number of ways to mess with the desktop, unity-twaek and compiz are commonly used
[01:37] <Dr_Willis> nimbo:  this is a netbook?
[01:37] <AgentSmith> Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers .
[01:38] <nimbo> Dr_Willis: yes a eeePC 1215P
[01:38] <mythfan> Dr_willis /dev/sda is the complete disk ?
[01:38] <Dr_Willis> nimbo:  personally - i run xubuntu or lubuntu on my netbook. Unity seems too big a drag on its
[01:38] <wilee-nilee> AgentSmith, Take your meds
[01:38] <stevecoh1> trying to get a scanner to work with ubuntu 13.04 that used to work with 10.04 but now does not. sane-find-scanner doesn't find it, sudo sane-find-scanner does, but there is some perms issue that prevents it from working.  The model is supported.  See http://paste.ubuntu.com/6350373/
[01:38] <Dr_Willis> mythfan:  sda would be the disk. sda1 would be the first partition
[01:39] <hitsujiTMO> nimbo: that uses an intel gma graphics gpu. ity can't handle unitys 3d acceleration
[01:39] <stevecoh1> what do those "could not fetch string descriptor: Pipe Error" things mean?
[01:39] <PDilyard> the auto-hide launcher in unity doesnt work for me....i move my mouse to the side and it doesnt reveal it
[01:40] <nimbo> hitsujiTMO: yes, Intel GMA 3150
[01:40] <wilee-nilee> PDilyard, In that gui to hide it you can set the pressure needed.
[01:40] <XHEART24> hi everyone
[01:40] <nimbo> hitsujiTMO: how can i turn that off?
[01:41] <XHEART24> i what room can i go to to ask for for a youtube to mp3 for 12.04, i will not ask in this room to follow the rules
[01:41] <XHEART24> in what room
[01:41] <hitsujiTMO> nimbo: you cannot use unity on that gpu. it does not handle 3d acceleration which is requited for unity. you must use a different DE. as Dr_Willis suggested you should use xubuntu on that device
[01:41] <hitsujiTMO> nimbo: if you want unity2d you can instal 12.04
[01:42] <AgentSmith> Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers .
[01:42] <mythfan> Dr_willis sda1 seem to have the correct system file sjl
[01:42] <stevecoh1> trying to get a scanner to work with ubuntu 13.04 that used to work with 10.04 but now does not. sane-find-scanner doesn't find it, sudo sane-find-scanner does, but there is some perms issue that prevents it from working.  The model is supported.  See http://paste.ubuntu.com/6350373/
[01:42] <nimbo> hitsujiTMO: so no way of using 13.10
[01:42] <stevecoh1> what do those "could not fetch string descriptor: Pipe Error" things mean?
[01:43] <Dr_Willis> hitsujiTMO:  well one of the things with  the removal of unity2d was the 3d unity was supposed to 'downsize' or whatever the term was. ;) Unity does run on the netbook. its just so slow its nasty ;)  but on a netbooks little screen - lubuntu i find works much better
[01:43] <hitsujiTMO> Dr_Willis: there is NO 3d acceleration at all on that gpu
[01:44] <mythfan>  /bin /boot /data /dev /etc.... The the system seem to be there i could be the bios or grub not booting ?
[01:44] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, tribulations while of live CD: Xchat aborts the package manager, Chatzilla will not connect to Freenode, mibbit does not offer freenode.
[01:45] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, is there a simple IRC client?
[01:45] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: 67.149.93.255
[01:45] <dreamy_> can i compile on a ubuntu 10.10?
[01:45] <nimbo> intrader: try kiwiirc
[01:45] <mythfan> My computer was booting mythbuntu fine .... But not linhes
[01:45] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: sorry: https://webchat.freenode.net/
[01:45] <dreamy_> anyone helping?
[01:45] <wilee-nilee> dreamy_, Compile what your not hooked to the main repos.
[01:45] <hitsujiTMO> !eol | dreamy_ 10.10 is no longer supported
[01:46] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, I will try
[01:46] <XHEART24> 12.04 is very stable
[01:48] <nimbo> hitsujiTMO: i really don't like xfce or lxde UI
[01:48] <XHEART24> what is the command in the terminal to create a virtual window for windows using 12.04?
[01:49] <jmgk> i
[01:49] <nimbo> hitsujiTMO: so maybe oyher distro
[01:49] <AgentSmith> Microsoft Rules!
[01:49] <bekks> XHEART24: Install virtualbox and create a virtual machine, install Windows in it.
[01:49] <hitsujiTMO> nimbo: i suggest installing 12.04 ... it a 2d fallback unity experience, which should be usable on that gpu
[01:50] <tirta-lalondong> I'm running Ubuntu 13.10, and i've just installed few couples of software from Software Center.
[01:50] <XHEART24> bekks is that on the ubuntu programs?
[01:50] <tirta-lalondong> but when i tried to find it, or type it on Dash Home, it shows nothing ?
[01:50] <tirta-lalondong> how to fix this?
[01:50] <Dr_Willis> tirta-lalondong:  what apps?
[01:50] <bekks> XHEART24: I suggest installing the official virtualbox package from the official website: www.virtualbox.org
[01:50] <tirta-lalondong> Geany, VLC, Gparted and so on
[01:50] <tirta-lalondong> none of these apps can be find from Dash home.
[01:51] <Dr_Willis> tirta-lalondong:  could just run them fro a terminal. the dash menus can take time to refresh
[01:51] <tirta-lalondong> but it's installed already
[01:51] <XHEART24> bekks how can i chat with u in private?
[01:51] <tirta-lalondong> exactly, it runs from the terminal, but won't show up when i searched them on dash home
[01:53] <user> hey fellow ubuntu users has anyone else had problems with dropbox and ubuntu 13.10
[01:53] <Dr_Willis> user:  its been working here for me
[01:53] <wilee-nilee> nope, works fine here user state the actual issues
[01:54] <littlegirl> Hey there, is the yelp-tools package installed in Ubuntu by default?
[01:54] <user> well for me a message pops up and it asks to restart nauitas but when i click it nothing happens
[01:54] <intrader> hitsujiTMO: I am on the live CD! Hurrah!
[01:55] <koffing> Why is 13.10 so slow?
[01:55] <wilee-nilee> user, Use the install from their site.
[01:55] <user> i have i get the same problem
[01:56] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: first thing can you pastebin the output of lsblk so we can figure out what is what again.
[01:56] <wilee-nilee> user, I use gdebi with debs, I wonder if that might be a difference, rather than the ubuntu software center
[01:56] <user> hmm i will try that
[01:57] <user> but i only have my windows computer with me now
[01:58] <wilee-nilee> user, you contacted us in this situation, what should we do?
[01:58] <intrader> hitsujiTMO: I will doLhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/6350442/
[01:58] <zioseieio> http://neutronium.hopto.org
[01:58] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: can you plug in your external tool please
[01:58] <wilee-nilee> I left my magic wand at work
[01:58] <trism> littlegirl: it doesn't look like it, it is a dep of ubuntu-gnome-desktop but not ubuntu-desktop, and I don't see it on the ubuntu 13.10 iso
[01:59] <user> well sorry i was hoping there was a terminal command to fix this but i guess not
[01:59] <trism> littlegirl: so it is probably installed by default in ubuntu gnome
[01:59] <intrader> hitsujiTMO: remember it does not have enough room
[01:59] <hitsujiTMO> intrader for just your /home folders tho?
[01:59] <littlegirl> trism: Thanks! Is ubuntu gnome available by default or is that a choice the user has to make after downloading? I use Kubuntu and I'm trying to get this information to help out the Ubuntu doc team. (:
[02:00] <littlegirl> trism: The yelp-tools package wasn't installed in Kubuntu by default, which is why I'm wondering about Ubuntu.
[02:00] <intrader> hitsujiTMO: only the /home on 13.10
[02:01] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: even tar.gz ed??
[02:01] <trism> littlegirl: ubuntu gnome is a separate project like kubuntu
[02:01] <intrader> hitsujiTMO: can we install on top of 12.04 only
[02:01] <psusi> littlegirl, you can either install the ubuntu gnome remix, or the ubuntu-gnome-desktop package
[02:02] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: i cannot recommend installing on top of another OS ... leads to a lot of problems
[02:02] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: we can backup /home of 12.04 and replace just that is that ok?
[02:03] <littlegirl> trism: Thanks! Does ubuntu gnome have its own IRC channel so I can ask them specifically whether yelp-tools is available in their default release?
[02:03] <wilee-nilee> littlegirl, I'm in the gnome shell, when I type yelp into synapse it shows help, does that sound right?
[02:03] <trism> littlegirl: yes, #ubuntu-gnome
[02:03] <intrader> hitsujiTMO: I was thinking it would mess up configurations. So let's just do it on clean over 12.04 so that I could copy 13.10/home if necessary to 12.04.3/home
[02:03] <littlegirl> psusi: So it's not a separate team the way Kubuntu is, but instead is packages you can choose?
[02:04] <psusi> littlegirl, both of them are both a separate set of packages that are maintained by dedicated teams and have dedicated install media
[02:04] <littlegirl> wilee-nilee: Nope, that comes with the yelp package that's definitely installed by default. (:
[02:04] <littlegirl> trism: Oh, thank you! Off I go. (:
[02:04] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: but do you need anything in /home on 12.04?
[02:04] <littlegirl> psusi: Thanks!
[02:04] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: is there any data you want to backup?
[02:04] <stevecoh1> could not open USB device 0x04b8/0x0131 at 001:005: Access denied (insufficient permissions)  That's my scanner.  How do I give myself permissions to access it?
[02:05] <psusi> littlegirl, in other words, if you want only the gnome desktop, get the gnome remix install cd... if you already have ubuntu installed though, or want to be able to switch back and forth, just install the package
[02:05] <intrader> hitsujiTMO: no, I was on 12.03 too short a time. Nothing except some email
[02:05] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: ok cool. open gparted and delete that partition
[02:05] <intrader> hitsujiTMO: sorry 12.04.3
[02:06] <intrader> hitsujiTMO: shall we verify that it is 12.04.3?
[02:06] <donavan01> Im using Kubuntu and I dont seem to have iwconfig ... am I missing something ?
[02:06] <littlegirl> psusi: That sounds a lot like Kubuntu and the KDE desktop, both of which are options. (:
[02:06] <hitsujiTMO> if you wish, but i do remember it boing /dev/sda7
[02:07] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: sudo mount /dev/sda7 /mnt; cat /mnt/etc/issue; sudo umount /dev/sda7
[02:07] <intrader> hitsujiTMO: please, just to make sure
[02:07] <psusi> littlegirl, right... that is what I said, they both ( kubuntu and gnome remix ) have their own install media, or you can get the same effect by installing the corresponding package
[02:08] <littlegirl> psusi: Cool, thanks. (:
[02:08] <jmgk> hi Little
[02:08] <jmgk> littlegirl,
[02:09] <intrader> hitsujiTMO: it is correct - I have gparted ready
[02:09] <littlegirl> Hey there, jmgk. (:
[02:09] <jmgk> hiya
[02:09] <jmgk> Never knew a girl was into Linux
[02:09] <jmgk> heh
[02:10] <littlegirl> Okay, it looks like Ubuntu GNOME gets it by default and the rest of us have to install it manually. (:
[02:10] <littlegirl> jmgk: There are lots of us. (:
[02:10] <donavan01> wait there is a girl in here ... everyone hide :P
[02:10] <jmgk> heh
[02:10] <jmgk> :p
[02:10] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: delete /dev/sda7 away then start the installer ... no need to create a partition for it ... choose "install alongside" and it should automatically do all that for you
[02:11] <jmgk> :P
[02:11] <wilee-nilee> mmm sexism how quaint
[02:11] <intrader> hitsujiTMO: one operation pending - what do I do with gparted
[02:13] <intrader> hitsujiTMO: dammed, one error while applying the operations
[02:13] <profligacy> I knew a girl that liked BSD.
[02:13] <wilee-nilee> littlegirl, I don't have the yelp-tools installed stock in the shell.
[02:13] <profligacy> big-sized
[02:13] <ZeThomas> wilee-nilee, that didn't work, link i got = http://paste.ubuntu.com/6350459
[02:14] <littlegirl> wilee-nilee: Yep, neither did I in Kubuntu, which is why I figured I'd go asking around and find out who does. (:
[02:14] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: make sure it's unmounted: sudo umount /dev/sda7       then try delete it again.
[02:15] <arvut> can you shrink parts with fdisk? or do you need parted for that?
[02:15] <SonikkuAmerica> hitsujiTMO: ... Don't you use [ umount ] to unmount the MOUNT POINT?
[02:15] <intrader> I made sure, gparted exited gracefully
[02:16] <kostkon> SonikkuAmerica, good catch lol
[02:16] <intrader> hitsujiTMO: I will start the install - using the install offered by live CD
[02:16] <hitsujiTMO> SonikkuAmerica: you can umount the point or the device
[02:16] <SonikkuAmerica> hitsujiTMO: Hm. I was told always umount the mount point
[02:16] <ZeThomas> wilee-nilee, bootloader install failed, and on any partition i give it proceeds to give this error
[02:17] <Dr_Willis> arvut:  parted or gparted.
[02:17] <Dr_Willis> arvut:  fdisk cant
[02:17] <wilee-nilee> ZeThomas, I'm not really up on uefi in general, however there is some great help at the ubuntu forums, if you find none here. That script is a key to the help there and if you make a thread mention uefi in the header, or use the bootrepair thread there
[02:17] <arvut> Dr_Willis: ty
[02:17] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: did it delete the partition of then?
[02:17] <Geo_> hi
[02:18] <Geo_> well if u want to install uefi make a clean install
[02:18] <Geo_> otherwise u gonna have trouble with ur installation
[02:18] <hitsujiTMO> SonikkuAmerica: from man umount: umount [-dflnrv] {dir|device}
[02:19] <SonikkuAmerica> hitsujiTMO: Well, then.
[02:20] <hitsujiTMO> zethomas: what seems to be the problem?
[02:22] <PDilyard> Unable to locate package unity-tweak-tool :(
[02:22] <PDilyard> after following these instructions http://askubuntu.com/questions/256137/change-launcher-icon-opacity-brightness
[02:23] <Dr_Willis> apt-cache search unity | grep tweak
[02:23] <Dr_Willis> unity-tweak-tool - configuration tool for the Unity desktop environment
[02:23] <hitsujiTMO> PDilyard: what version of ubuntu ?
[02:23] <PDilyard> 12.04
[02:23] <hitsujiTMO> PDilyard: you installed the ppa and did apt-get update first?
[02:23] <PDilyard> yes
[02:24] <wilee-nilee> PDilyard, unity-tweak starts at 12.10 take a look at the ppa.
[02:24] <hitsujiTMO> wrong ppa :P
[02:24] <PDilyard> oh hahaha
[02:24] <PDilyard> my bad
[02:24] <Dr_Willis> According to this statement, omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/02/…, Unity Tweak Tool doesn't work for Ubuntu 12.04 LTS,
[02:25] <PDilyard> wait though it worked on my laptop and im running 12.04 there...at least im pretty sure..hang on
[02:25] <wilee-nilee> one can mess with compiz that's always fun, hehe
[02:25] <Dr_Willis> With MyUnity (http://www.uielinux.org/myunity) you can change these settings for the launcher:.........
[02:26] <hitsujiTMO> PDilyard: there's no tweak-tool at all for 12.04: he won't write one for it: https://answers.launchpad.net/unity-tweak-tool/+question/218487
[02:26] <wilee-nilee> know your resets kids
[02:26] <Geo_> you need at leat unity 12.10 for unity-tweak
[02:26] <Geo_> ubuntu 12.10*
[02:27] <hitsujiTMO> ZeThomas: are you still having problems with uefi boot?
[02:27] <PDilyard> hitsujiTMO, nevermind, im using MyUnity on my laptop
[02:32] <stevecoh1> What is the deal with scanners?  A scanner that worked just fine in Ubuntu 10.04 (EPSON V300 PHOTO) does not work in 13.04.  Some sort of permission issue.  There are all these suggestions to try, like sane-find-scanner, but basically it gives RTFM type messages.  Not very helpful.
[02:33] <stevecoh1> It would be easier is TFM was uptodate, but what Ubuntu distributes for XSane is useless in resolving these types of issues.
[02:33] <sleezio> hello, anyone else having a problem running a script from crontab? the script rund fine from terminal, but won't run via crontab...i can see crontab triggering in syslog
[02:34] <hitsujiTMO> stevecoh1: have you added yourself to the xsane group and relogged?
[02:34] <stevecoh1> xsane group?  I added myself to the sane group, that was one suggestion I read.
[02:35] <hitsujiTMO> stevecoh1: sorry sane group ... and have you relogged?
[02:35] <MonkeyDust> san
[02:35] <stevecoh1> yes, still not working
[02:35] <hitsujiTMO> stevecoh1: does it work for an app run with gksudo?
[02:36] <stevecoh1> I changed the group ownership of my device to sane (it was root) and that got me one step further (sane-find-scanner now finds it) but xsane still does not.
[02:37] <stevecoh1> don't know gksudo, and what is the "it" you want me to run with it?
[02:37] <stevecoh1> I tried sudo xsane and it told me this was a very dangerous thing to do, but it didn't work anyway.
[02:38] <hitsujiTMO> stevecoh1: whats the output of sane-find-scanner ?
[02:39] <wafflejock> hitsujiTMO: on average how many computers do you think you fix per day?
[02:39] <hitsujiTMO> wafflejock: what do you mean?
[02:39] <wafflejock> I just see you in here constantly helping people
[02:39] <stevecoh1> hitshjiTMO: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6350597/
[02:40] <hitsujiTMO> wafflejock: it kills the boredom while i'm looking for a new job :P
[02:40] <stevecoh1> adjust permissions as necessary:  what does that really mean?
[02:40] <wafflejock> hitsujiTMO: ah okay I just decided to start my own thing instead of looking for a job or taking a job
[02:40] <areilox> Any particular reason iPod nano's don't mount on Xubuntu 13.10
[02:40] <areilox> ?
[02:41] <hitsujiTMO> stevecoh1: what's the output of: ls -la /dev/bus/usb/001/005
[02:42] <stevecoh1> crw-rw-r-- 1 root sane 189, 4 Nov  2 21:38 /dev/bus/usb/001/005
[02:42] <hitsujiTMO> stevecoh1: sane may not have rites to access the device
[02:42] <stevecoh1> make it crw-rw-rw-?
[02:42] <hitsujiTMO> stevecoh1: dont mess with the pipe directly :P
[02:43] <hitsujiTMO> stevecoh1: you add a udev rule for that
[02:43] <stevecoh1> ok, then what?
[02:43] <stevecoh1> dunno how to do that?  And actually the group owner was root before I messed with it.  Only when I made it sane did sane-find-scanner find it.
[02:44] <stevecoh1> so pls explain udev rules
[02:45] <help-please> I'm running ubuntu 13.10, I am new to ubuntu,  i've searched for some tweak on this 13.10 on web, and my question is, do i really need to install OpenJDK ?
[02:45] <root___> anyone use irssi?
[02:45] <hitsujiTMO> echo "ATTRS{idVendor}==\"04b8\", ATTRS{idProduct}==\"0131\", ENV{libsane_matched}=\"yes\"" >> /lib/udev/rules.d/40-libsane.rules
[02:45] <root___> I am trying to change my handle
[02:45] <hitsujiTMO> stevecoh1: run that line then reattach the scanner
[02:46] <dogarrhea> well.
[02:46] <stevecoh1> ok, will try that.  Should I change group of the device back to root as it was originally?
[02:46] <dogarrhea> I spent all day 8 hours wasting time reconfiguring my development environment for 12.04 LTS
[02:46] <dogarrhea> only to find out that again, the repositories don't have the latest c++11
[02:46] <dogarrhea> what an extreme waste of time setting up ubuntu was
[02:46] <Dr_Willis> the repoistories never have the latest of anything.
[02:46] <Dr_Willis> thats how ubuntu works.
[02:47] <hitsujiTMO> stevecoh1: sorrt should be this: echo "ATTRS{idVendor}==\"04b8\", ATTRS{idProduct}==\"0131\", ENV{libsane_matched}=\"yes\"" | sudo tee -a /lib/udev/rules.d/40-libsane.rules
[02:47] <Dr_Willis> !;atest
[02:47] <Dr_Willis> !latest
[02:47] <dogarrhea> from the recommendations of "Rewrite your code in C" to "Reinstall Ubuntu" to "Configure your c++ compiler and build from source"
[02:47] <help-please> I'm running ubuntu 13.10, I am new to ubuntu,  i've searched for some tweak on this 13.10 on web, and my question is, do i really need to install OpenJDK ?
[02:47] <dogarrhea> i find that open source has been nothing but a waste of time
[02:47] <stevecoh1> thanks, hitsujiTMO, but pls answer if I should put the device ownership back to what it was.
[02:47] <Dr_Willis> help-please:  install whatever java you need.
[02:48] <Dr_Willis> dogarrhea:  we dont care. demand a refund.. this is support  channel. Not a ranting channel.
[02:48] <hitsujiTMO> stevecoh1: the ownership will be changed when you reattach it
[02:48] <stevecoh1> thanks, will try and get back to you.
[02:48] <dogarrhea> refund of my life.. probably won't get one
[02:48] <Dr_Willis> dogarrhea:  again. we dont really care.
[02:48] <dogarrhea> you seem angered
[02:48] <Dr_Willis> if you want support then we are here.
[02:49] <dogarrhea> if you count wrong suggestions as support sure
[02:49] <Dr_Willis> if you want some one to rant to. well.. theres #foreveralone
[02:49] <dogarrhea> "rewrite your entire program in C so you can use mutex"
[02:49] <dogarrhea> that's the support in this channel
[02:49] <Dr_Willis> dogarrhea:  we have no idea of the history of your issue.
[02:49] <dogarrhea> "reinstall ubuntu "
[02:49] <wilee-nilee> or $itsasifwecare
[02:50] <dogarrhea> either way, the "support" from this channel is wrong and even destructive
[02:50] <intrader> hitsujiTMO: I don't see issue displayed on the left bottom as it did before - whre is the issue stored?
[02:50] <Dr_Willis> and no one in here even rembers your original issue dogarrhea .. so have a nice day
[02:50] <garcianc> dogarrhea, what do you need help with?
[02:50] <dogarrhea> getting a c++11 compiler
[02:51] <dogarrhea> 4.6.3 is too old
[02:51] <dogarrhea> and it is the one in ubuntu repositories
[02:51] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: issue of which as in the ubuntu issue?
[02:51] <intrader> hitsujiTMO: it displayed 12.04.3
[02:51] <dogarrhea> earlier, people (about 5-6 people) were all saying "YOUR UBUNTU 10.04 is END OF LIFE. INSTALL A NEWER UBUNTU AND YOUR PROBLEM IS FIXED"
[02:51] <dogarrhea> too bad they are all wrong
[02:51] <kostkon> dogarrhea, they aren't
[02:52] <Dr_Willis> !10.04
[02:52] <Dr_Willis> it in fact IS EOL.
[02:52] <dogarrhea> They are wrong
[02:52] <dogarrhea> it doesn't fix the c++11 issue
[02:52] <garcianc> dogarrhea, what is preventing you from installing the latest compiler?
[02:52] <Dr_Willis> dogarrhea:  and we have no idea what your c++11 issue is.
[02:52] <dogarrhea> What package is supported for the OS?
[02:52] <stevecoh1> xsane still doesn't find it, alas, hitsujiTMO
[02:53] <dogarrhea> the whole point of reinstalling ubuntu according to thsi channel, was to get proper support for c++11
[02:53] <dogarrhea> but I see this is a false statement as only up to 4.6.3 gcc is supported
[02:53] <dogarrhea> and 4.8 is the gcc version i'm after
[02:53] <Dr_Willis> now we have an actual 'statement as to what you want'
[02:54] <hitsujiTMO> dogarrhea: if you want 4.8 install ubuntu 13.10 ... or use a ppa ... or compile it
[02:54] <Dr_Willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/271388/how-to-install-gcc-4-8-in-ubuntu-12-04-from-the-terminal/271561#271561
[02:54] <dogarrhea> trollolol. another install
[02:54] <hitsujiTMO> stevecoh1: if that doesn't work then i'm unsure what the issue is ... that should be enough to make sure xsane has permissions to see and use the device :(
[02:54] <intrader> hitsujiTMO: it displayed 12.04.3 and now nothing. System details says 12.03 LTS, and there are slew of updates which 12.04.3 had included
[02:55] <dogarrhea> Why should I keep reinstalling thigns?
[02:55] <intrader> hitsujiTMO: it displayed 12.04.3 and now nothing. System details says 12.04 LTS, and there are slew of updates which 12.04.3 had included
[02:55] <Pici> dogarrhea: Its up to you.
[02:55] <kostkon> dogarrhea, buy the intel compiler then, i bet it's c++11 ready
[02:55] <stevecoh1> very annoying.  NO such issues back in 10.04
[02:55] <Dr_Willis> dogarrhea:  if you dont want it.. then dont reinstall.. then you are just going to sit there i guess.
[02:55] <dogarrhea> the ubuntu distribution pages said that 13.10 is going to be supported EVEN less than 12.04 lts
[02:55] <dogarrhea> why would I install it
[02:55] <dogarrhea> it's probably got more bugs too
[02:55] <dogarrhea> open shit software.
[02:55] <dogarrhea> whatever i'll figure it out by myself
[02:56]  * Dr_Willis closes the ticket.
[02:56] <dogarrhea> i don't need to listen to idiots
[02:56] <kostkon> dogarrhea, thats your only choice unfortunately.
[02:56] <dogarrhea> like the last time i reinstalled
[02:56] <dogarrhea> to a newer ubuntu
[02:56] <garcianc> dogarrhea, check this link: http://askubuntu.com/questions/312620/how-do-i-install-gcc-4-8-1-on-ubuntu-13-04
[02:56] <kostkon> dogarrhea, then, listen..
[02:56] <intrader> hitsujiTMO: I am going ahead with the updates - it was probably something I missed in the install
[02:56] <kostkon> dogarrhea, install virtualbox and then install 13.10 on that
[02:56] <Pici> dogarrhea: I understand that you are frustrated, but I'm not sure what you're hoping to accomplish here by just complaining.
[02:56] <Dr_Willis> latest release. or lts. theres not much point in using anything in between
[02:56] <dogarrhea> kostkon: i listened last time.
[02:56] <dogarrhea> and i'm not going to reinstall again and again and again and again
[02:56] <minimec> dogarrhea: I don't know why I am helping you, but you can have what you want. Just use this ppa... https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-toolchain-r/+archive/test
[02:57] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: what kernel are you on with it now? uname -r
[02:57] <kostkon> dogarrhea, final word from me: 13.10 in vb
[02:57] <dogarrhea> is 4.8 actually supported on 13.0 are you just saying "REinstall"
[02:57] <pi_____> hi ! what is the best terminal game ?
[02:57]  * Dr_Willis could have reinstalled in the time this discussion has been going on..
[02:57] <Pici> !info g++ saucy
[02:57] <dogarrhea> I have to know that it is supported
[02:57] <Dr_Willis> pi_____:  nethack  ;)
[02:57] <dogarrhea> dr_willis the download wouldn't even complete in this time
[02:57] <Pici> dogarrhea: please see ubottu's output above
[02:57] <dogarrhea> so stop lying
[02:57] <hitsujiTMO> dogarrhea: gcc 4.8.1 is the version of gcc on 13.10
[02:57] <Dr_Willis> dogarrhea:  please stop lying.. yes.. we think you should.
[02:57] <Pici> dogarrhea: Or search yourself on packages.ubuntu.com
[02:58] <pi_____> dr_willis thanks !! going to see now
[02:58] <intrader> hitsujiTMO: 3.8.0-29-generic
[02:58] <Dr_Willis> pi_____:  theres the bsd-games package also with some old skool ascii games
[02:58] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: thats 12.04.3 alright then
[02:58] <dogarrhea> You have searched for packages that names contain c++11 in suite(s) raring, all sections, and all architectures.  Sorry, your search gave no results
[02:58] <dogarrhea> i guess it's just not supported
[02:58] <pi_____> thanks !
[02:58] <minimec> dogarrhea: gcc-4.8 (4.8.1-2ubuntu1~12.04) precise; urgency=low   https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-toolchain-r/+archive/test/+packages
[02:59] <intrader> hitsujiTMO: I tried to bring up Xchat but it does not find it
[02:59] <dogarrhea> hrm. so I don't need to reinstall minimec
[03:00] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: i'd advise installing hexchat instead
[03:00] <minimec> dogarrhea: You need to add that ppa, and probably you are fine...
[03:00] <intrader> hitsujiTMO: apt-get hexchat install?
[03:00] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: sudo apt-add-repository ppa:gwendal-lebihan-dev/hexchat-stable && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install hexchat
[03:01] <Dr_Willis> intrader:  or learn to use irssi or weechat ;)
[03:01] <Greylocks> weechat rocks :-)
[03:02] <Dr_Willis> yep - definatly has an amazeing feature set
[03:02] <intrader> hitsujiTMO: can't install while update is running
[03:02] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: ahh yeah ... wait for the updates to finnish ofc
[03:03] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: hexchat is xchat with a lot of improvements. it will probably replace xchat as the default irc client in the near future
[03:04] <intrader> hitsujiTMO: the webchat is pretty good - I can copy from the display - on xchat I can't
[03:04] <SetiAmon> how do i enlarge the 'min/max close' buttons in the user interface
[03:04] <SetiAmon> everything is way to small on my 1080/1920 hi res display
[03:05] <wilee-nilee> SetiAmon, Unity desktop and what release?
[03:05] <Dr_Willis> SetiAmon:  the ones on the top panel? or the one in the windows title bar?
[03:05] <SetiAmon> gnome 3.8 and ubuntu 13.10
[03:05] <wilee-nilee> SetiAmon, gnome shell?
[03:05] <Dr_Willis> gnome-shell plugin page MIght have some  plugins to tweak the size.
[03:05] <SetiAmon> the universal ones like the ones in the corner to close/minimize or maximize
[03:05] <SetiAmon> yeah i looked
[03:06] <wilee-nilee> SetiAmon, The advanced "tweak tool" has resizing for some things.
[03:07] <SetiAmon> gnome tweak tool?I looked threw that but only font size
[03:08] <wilee-nilee> SetiAmon, Most are font size the panel and buttons are probably a config issue, I menat the advanced tweak tool.
[03:08] <wafflejock> SetiAmon: think the close buttons are part of the theme no?
[03:08] <wafflejock> SetiAmon: I imagine you would have to just change themes but haven't really messed with development on those at all so not sure
[03:09] <Dr_Willis> window decoration  for the windows title bar
[03:10] <SetiAmon> yeah i'll look for a hi res theme
[03:10] <stevecoh1> hitsujiTMO: A problem with your udev rule, was that it wrote it into the file at the end AFTER the line reading LABEL="libsane_rules_end".  I moved it up with all the other EPSON scanners - but that still did not do the trick.
[03:10] <fr1tz3d> try closing the program real quick and re opening it
[03:11] <intrader> hitsujiTMO: would mind repeating the commands - web chat forgets about everything and I rebooted  (about hexchat)
[03:11] <ganjaherbs> does Ubuntu Desktop use gnome-terminal as its BASH Gui?
[03:11] <hitsujiTMO> stevecoh1: and a restart doesn't help?
[03:11] <kostkon> ganjaherbs, yes
[03:11] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: sudo apt-add-repository ppa:gwendal-lebihan-dev/hexchat-stable && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install hexchat
[03:11] <stevecoh1> restart of the scanner or the computer?
[03:11] <Dr_Willis> ganjaherbs:  gnome-terminal is the default teminal
[03:11] <Dr_Willis> ganjaherbs:  theres dozens of others you can choose from
[03:11] <wilee-nilee> SetiAmon, Might be something in dconf-editor this has to be installed I believe.
[03:12] <zykotick9> ganjaherbs: actually - BASH doesn't have a GUI.  there is an default x-terminal and a default shell, but they are independent of one another.
[03:12] <stevecoh1> hitsujiTMO: I restarted the scanner.  I did not restart the computer.  Should I?
[03:13] <hitsujiTMO> stevecoh1: give it a shot, some rules might only be read on startup of specific services
[03:13] <ganjaherbs> zykotick9: is it possible to interact with the shell without a gui?
[03:13] <intrader_> hitsujiTMO, on hexchat
[03:13] <stevecoh1> all right, will try it.
[03:13] <Dr_Willis> ganjaherbs:  that would be a script....
[03:14] <ganjaherbs> Dr_Willis: a script that must be run through a terminal emulator?
[03:14] <Dr_Willis> ganjaherbs:  unless you mean gui as in X.. then that would be the console
[03:14] <dogarrhea> "Repositories are a more trustworthy way to download software than grabbing EXE files from random websites. Since everything in the default repositories is reviewed by the Ubuntu team before it goes out, you know everything there is completely safe for your system." TROLLOLOL aboslute lie and garbage.
[03:14] <intrader_> hitsujiTMO, on hexchat - I can't copy from scrolling screen - oops
[03:14] <zykotick9> ganjaherbs: yes, through "linux" (the real kernel use), by using the "linux-consoles" in F1 -> F6 (by default)
[03:14] <Dr_Willis> ganjaherbs:  so its not clear what you mean. You might want to go read a few bash tutorial guides
[03:14] <ganjaherbs> Dr_Willis: i am now which is why these questinos have arised
[03:15] <intrader_> hitsujiTMO,that means to retype with errors the long command set!
[03:15] <Dr_Willis> ganjaherbs:   your qestions are not making a lot of sence. ;)
[03:15] <wilee-nilee> intrader_, Are you sure I use hexchat anything highlighted goes to my clipboard, might be in the preferences.
[03:15] <zykotick9> ganjaherbs: try "echo $TERM" in a console ;)
[03:15] <wilee-nilee> except the enter to the channel line it has a copy
[03:15] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: in hexchat just selecting the text will copy it
[03:16] <ganjaherbs> Dr_Willis: so in Linux a shell is not 100% necessary and we can run script from x-terminal and use no GUi or shell ?
[03:17] <intrader_> hitsujiTMO, simple!
[03:18] <stevecoh1> hitsujuTMO, alas this did not work either.
[03:18] <zykotick9> ganjaherbs: user level gui - x-terminal-emulator (xterm, gnome-terminal, rxvt ...), then the shell level (bash, sh, ksh ...).  the linux console (virtual consoles) are an odity, and rarely used (they kinda suck actually)
[03:19] <intrader_> hitsujiTMO, should we try to mess it up with 13.10? I think that while updating 13.10 something is left to be finished and when I shutdown 13.10 it can affect 12.04ft
[03:19] <dogarrhea> unable to locate package gcc-4.8
[03:19] <dogarrhea> sudo apt-get install gcc-4.8
[03:19] <stevecoh1> "Try scanimage -L and read the backend's manpage."  What does that mean and where is this manpage
[03:19] <dogarrhea> well. the ppa was added so i don't know what it is
[03:19] <ganjaherbs> zykotick9: got it
[03:20] <intrader> hitsujiTMO: not really left - I am still here dowing webchat
[03:21] <intrader> hitsujiTMO: and something leaks my first name!!!!!
[03:21] <dogarrhea> hrm. i guess Ubuntu is broken.
[03:21] <wafflejock> SetiAmon: was just poking around in my setting on Kubuntu
[03:21] <ganjaherbs> zykotick9: and Ubuntu uses "gnome-terminal" and "bash" and the generic LInux kernel... got it
[03:21] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: do you have it in the options?
[03:21] <Dr_Willis> dogarrhea:  or you dont know how to use a PPA.
[03:21] <wafflejock> can actually customize the window decorations in system settings and just enlarge the buttons
[03:21] <dogarrhea> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-toolchain-r
[03:21] <dogarrhea> so. that did something
[03:21] <zykotick9> ganjaherbs: fyi, if you do "echo $TERM" in xorg it'll say what terminal you are using, when you run it in console it returns "linux" ;)
[03:21] <Dr_Willis> dogarrhea:  after adding a ppa. you do a sudo apt-get update. then sudo apt-get upgrade. or sudo apt-get install whatever
[03:21] <dogarrhea> i removed the gcc and g++ alternatives
[03:21] <zykotick9> ganjaherbs: yup and yup
[03:22] <hitsujiTMO> intrader is it there in network list?
[03:22] <dogarrhea> Dr_Willis: and you're missing the step of removing the older repositories which i have attempted to do
[03:22] <dogarrhea> but it STILL won't find gcc-4.8
[03:22] <Dr_Willis> dogarrhea:  what older ones?
[03:22] <dogarrhea> the previous 4.6 gcc tools
[03:22] <dogarrhea> sudo update-alternatives --remove-all g++
[03:23] <Dr_Willis> if a version is newer in a ppa - you dont remove the older REPOSITORY.. the ppa version should upgrade
[03:23] <dogarrhea> Couldn't find any package by regex gcc-4.8
[03:23] <intrader> hitsujiTMO: network list is shown where?
[03:23] <wafflejock> I think I like the large buttons, very large feels like it's for senior citizens, I'm not sure who huge is for
[03:23] <dogarrhea> it seems pretty broken to me
[03:23] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: hexchat->network list
[03:23] <Dr_Willis> dogarrhea:  sounds more like you dont know what you are doing.
[03:23] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: or ctrl + s
[03:23] <dogarrhea> sounds more like Ubuntu is not doing what it should be doing
[03:24] <Dr_Willis> dogarrhea: sure blame the tool for the users lack of knowledge.
[03:24] <dogarrhea> hrm.. an error occured during the ppa update.
[03:24] <wafflejock> dogarrhea: go to arch if Ubuntu isn't doing your bidding
[03:24] <dogarrhea> A error occured during the signature verification.  The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used.
[03:24] <Dr_Willis> wafflejock:  or gentoo :)
[03:24] <dogarrhea> GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com precise-backports RElease:
[03:24] <wafflejock> yeah see how much ubuntu is really not doing for you :)
[03:25] <intrader> hitsujiTMO: ctrl + s opens a new window - it is what browser's do
[03:25] <dogarrhea> failed to fetch http: blah blah blah blah release
[03:25] <dogarrhea> seems like it's not me
[03:25] <hitsujiTMO> Dr_Willis: wafflejock I'd recommend LFS, you can install whatever version of anything you want in that
[03:25] <Dr_Willis> hitsujiTMO:  can i install kernel 1.0! ;)
[03:25] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: in hexchat?
[03:26] <arvut> all hail the unholy cow!
[03:26] <ganjaherbs> i am looking at the Gnome Project page and there is a picture of a group of people standing on some stiars in fron of a building. where is that?
[03:26] <wafflejock> Dr_Willis: haha do you hate life or what :) I'll stick with a modern kernel
[03:26] <intrader> hitsujiTMO: it keeps on quiting and shown first name when leaving and rejoining
[03:26] <intrader> hitsujiTMO: going to hexchat
[03:26] <dogarrhea> yep. Definitely a bug/broken behavior of Ubuntu
[03:26] <Dr_Willis> wafflejock:  :) i used to use CP/M decades ago
[03:27] <dogarrhea> sudo apt-get update failed
[03:27] <Dr_Willis> dogarrhea:  yep.,. if you want support help definatly be vague and rambling.. state the support issue with details - or  theres not going to be much help forthcomming
[03:27] <dogarrhea> I listed the error
[03:27] <hitsujiTMO> Dr_Willis: ahh i remember cp/m , had that on my asmtrad
[03:27] <arvut> Dr_Willis: send him to gentoo instead
[03:27] <Animus74> Help! I cant boot into ubuntu - Low Graphics Error
[03:27] <dogarrhea> GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com precise-backports RElease:  you're just not reading Dr_Willis
[03:28] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, my leaked name is not here. So it is webchat
[03:28] <arvut> Animus74: install 8.04
[03:28] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: kewl
[03:28] <Dr_Willis> dogarrhea:  i imagine im one of the many in here that dont have you on ignore yet..
[03:28] <dogarrhea> since you refuse to read, I either surmise you are incompetent/illiterate or aggressively useless
[03:28] <Animus74> i have 13.04
[03:28] <arvut> 8.04 has no more support, has it?
[03:28] <poopootrain> So I presume graphics card support on ubuntu is vastly superior to that of debian or any other os since debian has been a right pain in the arse from the start having to manually install things and all sorts is annoying.
[03:28] <arvut> !8.04
[03:28] <arvut> there we go
[03:28] <wafflejock> dogarrhea: how much are you paying us
[03:28] <wafflejock> dogarrhea: bite your tongue
[03:29] <wilee-nilee> one of the few I did that at the least yesterday obvious a problematic user Dr_Willis
[03:29] <dogarrhea> wafflejock: i'm not paying for useless advice
[03:29] <garcianc> he can have my cut
[03:29] <wafflejock> dogarrhea: you're not paying for anything
[03:29] <dogarrhea> wafflejock: what are you offering?
[03:29] <arvut> poopootrain: maybe that is the way you actually learn, and get things done.
[03:29] <dogarrhea> nothing.
[03:29] <Animus74> ive tried most of the suggestions on the askubuntu forums
[03:29]  * Dr_Willis doubles the price
[03:29] <wafflejock> haha
[03:29] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, now should we experiment with shuting down, bringing 13.10 up - run the update manager on 13.10, shutting down 13.10 and rebooting 12.04
[03:29] <poopootrain> alot of money whores in this chat room fantastic what you want to see in a free community -___-
[03:29] <dogarrhea> either way, i'm paying by reporting bugs
[03:29] <dogarrhea> what are you returning?
[03:30] <dogarrhea> NOTHING
[03:30] <dogarrhea> so your point is moot
[03:30] <wafflejock> dogarrhea: when's the last time you walked into a bar or social club and started screaming about how little the club has to offer you and had people really want to help you
[03:30] <poopootrain> dogarrhea: people like you should rot money is not the defacto way of life there should be alternatives to money that don't require hard work with shitty bosses ,etc
[03:30] <wafflejock> dogarrhea: I really don't care if you succeed and given your attitude I hope you don't
[03:30] <dogarrhea> poopootrain: as I said, I'm actually reporting actual bugs
[03:30] <arvut> poopootrain: stop trolling, this is ubuntu support
[03:30] <dogarrhea> and here are a bunch of useless wastes of matter saying "pay me"
[03:31] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: can you give me the output of blkid again
[03:31] <jmgk> lol
[03:31] <poopootrain> I'm confused who I'm speaking too lol
[03:31] <dogarrhea> "pay me. even though you just reported a bug but aren't paid as QA"
[03:31] <wafflejock> dogarrhea: I'm saying quit your bitching not pay me
[03:31] <dogarrhea> that's what people here are saying
[03:31] <poopootrain> who ever is the person who believes money is the only way you wil give advice should rot there done no more talking about it from me
[03:31] <dogarrhea> [20:29] <wafflejock> dogarrhea: you're not paying for anything
[03:31] <wafflejock> dogarrhea: I'm just another bystandard as is everyone here
[03:31] <dogarrhea> what was the implication of this?
[03:31] <dogarrhea> [20:29] <wafflejock> dogarrhea: you're not paying for anything <-- I REPEAT. WHAT IS THE IMPLICATION OF THIS?
[03:31] <wafflejock> you shouldn't bitch at strangers who you don't pay
[03:32] <wafflejock> we aren't your employees
[03:32] <wafflejock> even if we were I would quit
[03:32] <jmgk> poopootrain, hi poopootrain  when is the next train coming?
[03:32] <wilee-nilee> STOP ENABLING THEM
[03:32] <poopootrain> just need a big shit in the sigimond colon and it will flush it self out
[03:32] <jmgk> oh
[03:32] <dogarrhea> it's fine. if i stop using this product, the bugs stop being reported.
[03:32] <arvut> anything else than virtual machine support that I should add to a gentoo that is installed in vbox then moved to physical ssd?
[03:32] <wafflejock> awesome then stop
[03:32] <wafflejock> I don't care
[03:32] <garcianc> please
[03:33] <jmgk> poopootrain,  lol
[03:33] <poopootrain> ;)
[03:33] <poopootrain> I should really go back to my normal nick
[03:34] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6350759/ I think that you are thinking that it is possible for 13.10 to polute the restart of 12.04
[03:34] <FailDrain> much better <3
[03:34] <dogarrhea> i'm saying it's broken. and people are saying "what are you paying me?" seems as trollish as it can be.
[03:34] <dogarrhea> no one cares to even verify that the keys are bad
[03:34] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, it just happens that I remember that I was seting up graphics on 13.10
[03:34] <dogarrhea> "PAY ME"
[03:35] <FailDrain> dogarrhea: I agree that people should out of the kindness of there hearts help others honestly I do , I would but maybe that's just me
[03:35] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: nah, 13.10 should be able to run independently of 12.04.
[03:35] <dogarrhea> I agree that people should not waste time reporting bugs that they aren't paid to find.
[03:35] <jmgk> FailDrain, ncie nick
[03:35] <jmgk> but I don't care
[03:35] <jmgk> Quit trolling like the other user said
[03:35] <hitsujiTMO> dogarrhea: at this point it's clear that you are not going to get what you wan't from here. Can you please move on to where you can be helped.
[03:36] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: we can see if we can fix that from here.
[03:36] <dogarrhea> yep. time to delete this vm and remove the ubuntu isos. yet again after 3 years
[03:36] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, yeah it should but if they are not careful with the updates this may happen and it could explain the non-starting 12.04 (with graphics not coming up)
[03:36] <dogarrhea> get your act together open shit software.
[03:37] <wafflejock> thank jebus
[03:37] <FailDrain> I think I finally understand why people don't want to support linux that much just look at it , it's a complete mess where as windows is full proof it works even with a few annoyances but there not majorly experience breaking like linux drivers and other things are.
[03:37] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: what probably happend was update-grub may have overwritten the mbr
[03:37] <IdleOne> Can we all please stop with the off topic chat. Get back to actual support.
[03:37] <hitsujiTMO> intrader:or grub-install i should say
[03:37] <jmgk> wo
[03:38] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, remember that 12.04 was installed after 13.10 - out of disgust with 13.10
[03:38] <FailDrain> I am trying ubuntu and if I find that I gotta read disgusting documentation of artificial trash I'm going back to windows
[03:38] <FailDrain> ;)
[03:38] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: ahh kk :P just tihnking about how to go about without the possiblilty of overwriting the mbr
[03:39] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, well, I can continue from here restoring as I need from 13.10 (CAREFULLY)
[03:39] <wafflejock> FailDrain: the fragmentation in Linux and extreme flux do make it more difficult to support for end users but it's also why Linux is able to evolve more quickly, things are becoming more stable where it is being used more widely by governments and larger corporations (beyond running the servers)
[03:39] <KillBiebs> hrm. I can sudo with my psasword but when I try to su it keeps telling me authentication failure - any ideas?
[03:40] <wafflejock> FailDrain: windows is as much of a mess they just hide it all in SxS configurations and the like that end up chewing up all your hard disk space and running like garbage after a million security updates and antivirus software
[03:40] <Dr_Willis> KillBiebs:   wht are you doin with su exactly?
[03:40] <KillBiebs> ah nevermind I got it figured out
[03:40] <Directorate_alph> hi
[03:40] <rypervenche> KillBiebs: Yes, because the root user is disabled by defualt.
[03:40] <wilee-nilee> KillBiebs, why would you use su and have you installed gksu?
[03:40] <IdleOne> wafflejock: Please stop with the off topic.
[03:40] <KillBiebs> no what is gksu? :)
[03:40] <FailDrain> pity pity pity
[03:40] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, it is through the MBR that they communicate about pending updates during upgrades
[03:40] <zykotick9> !gksudo
[03:41] <Dr_Willis> FailDrain:  im reminded of the time i had to reformat and reinstall windows to fix a .net issue...
[03:41] <wafflejock> IdleOne:  done people are just making me crazy in here today sorry
[03:41] <ganjaherbs> zykotick9: what do oyu mean if i "do" <echo $TERM> in "xorg" ... can you link me a website that will explain xorg to me so i can understand what you mean by this? do you mean i have to run that command in a terminal emulator in the xorg directory?
[03:41] <KillBiebs> nah this is all in terminal. I have been trying to do the least amount of work through gui as possible
[03:41] <IdleOne> Dr_Willis: Getting real sick and tired of you dude. Drop the off topic
[03:41] <Dr_Willis> wafflejock:  Yep! do a back flip when you bend over backwards for them!
[03:41] <FailDrain> my problems mainly come down to compilation issue's being a pain in the arse but somehow in linux everything can be done in one command and stuff which is just like what why did they do that to promote linux or what
[03:41] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, did you do something to change your color from red to green?
[03:42] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: mkdir ~/oldhome; sudo mkdir /mnt/13.10; sudo mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/13.10; ln -s /mnt/13.10/home ~/oldhome
[03:42] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: if someone says your name, it will highlight it
[03:42] <zykotick9> ganjaherbs: xorg is the GUI in linux/bsd land (right now).  all the desktop environments run on xorg ;)  i mean, in any terminal in the GUI try "echo $TERM" and it should return gnome-terminal or xterm or whatever.... in the console F1-F6 it says "linux" ;)
[03:44] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: no the mbr contains the tiny bootstrap that tells the bios where to load grub from when you start the computer. the priblem is, is that grub was one of the recent updates in 13.10 and if that is on your update list, it will try to reinstall the bootstrap into the mbr on the update..
[03:44] <ganjaherbs> zykotick9: so my output was <xterm>
[03:45] <zykotick9> ganjaherbs: are you actually runing xterm?  (or is gnome-terminal perhaps faking "xterm" as an answer i wonder?)
[03:45] <ganjaherbs> not sure but that is what it says
[03:45] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, your facility with bash is astounding - some 30 years ago i was there too!
[03:45] <ganjaherbs> zykotick9: i am using whatever saucy desktop default
[03:45] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, here we go!
[03:45] <zykotick9> i get rxvt-unicode in 1 windows, and screen-256color in another ;)
[03:45] <hitsujiTMO> zykotick9: gnome-terminal will fake a number of terminals. xterm is the default
[03:46] <ganjaherbs> hitsujiTMO: why does gnome terminal do this?
[03:46] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, it is all there!
[03:48] <stevecoh1> hitsujitmo: check this out: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6350801/
[03:48] <hitsujiTMO> ganjaherbs: a lot of scripts and apps look at $TERM to determine what is supported (colours etc) so most terminals will default to xterm or xterm-color or xterm-256color so the scripts will correctly respond... look at ~/.bashrc as one example
[03:48] <stevecoh1> hitsujiTMO: check this out: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6350801/
[03:48] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, yes that is possible!
[03:48] <lotuspsychje> morning to all(its time to go to sleep hitsujiTMO :p )
[03:49] <wafflejock> haha hi lotuspsychje
[03:49] <ganjaherbs> hitsujiTMO: ok
[03:49] <lotuspsychje> wafflejock: hello mate
[03:50] <hitsujiTMO> stevecoh1: it shouldn't really matter a whole lot where it gets written to, but it's worth a shot to try the change
[03:50] <hitsujiTMO> lotuspsychje: ahh crap, its 4am again :(
[03:50] <daedalus_> where is it 4am?
[03:50] <stevecoh1> hitsujiTMO, should it be 60 or 40 or both?
[03:50] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, I can't believe how you stay awake!
[03:51] <ganjaherbs> Saudi Arabia?
[03:51] <hitsujiTMO> stevecoh1: try just 60.
[03:51] <stevecoh1> so copy the 40 file as /etc.../60?
[03:51] <hitsujiTMO> stevecoh1: no, just copy the 1 line i gave you
[03:52] <hitsujiTMO> its 4am in Ireland
[03:52] <wafflejock> wait hitsujiTMO where are you greenland? I'm in Chicago
[03:52] <wafflejock> oh
[03:52] <ganjaherbs> daedalus_: i was 3 hours off. West Africa is 4 am now
[03:52] <wafflejock> okay
[03:52] <stevecoh1> that file has section markers, etc.  Are those important?
[03:52] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, that's where you are mate?
[03:53] <daedalus_> ganjaherbs: way too early
[03:53] <ganjaherbs> daedalus_: it is 4 am in "Côte d’Ivoire "
[03:53]  * lotuspsychje likes the variety of countries in #ubuntu
[03:53] <hitsujiTMO> stevecoh1: there prob for the update scripts so it should be ok to ignore them
[03:53] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: yup
[03:54] <daedalus_> ganjaherbs: i hope there is red bull there
[03:54] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, I am USA CA, but originally from beautiful and sadly US puppy Colombia
[03:54] <ganjaherbs> daedalus_: like in "The Last Unicorn"?
[03:54] <daedalus_> intrader: nor or south cal?
[03:55] <lotuspsychje> lets stick to ubuntu support guys
[03:55] <daedalus_> ganjaherbs: no like the energy drink
[03:55] <intrader> daedalus_, south - Fountain Valley
[03:55] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: hehe there's nothing wrong with CA (have some family and friends there)
[03:55] <daedalus_> intrader: ah im north
[03:56] <daedalus_> there are plenty of things wrong with california
[03:56] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, yes, sunny and beautiful - now let's get back to business as lotuspsychje says
[03:56] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: go backup you're stuff for now
[03:56]  * lotuspsychje hopes to see 1700 users in #ubuntu-offtopic one day...
[03:56] <hitsujiTMO> your*
[03:57] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, thanks a lot for your help. I will not boot to 13.10 - just in case!
[03:57] <stevecoh1> ok, trying restart
[04:01] <No-Mad> exit
[04:01] <stevecoh1> no luck hitsujTMO: I'm going to bed.  Maybe write a bug report.  This is a bunch of BS.
[04:01] <stevecoh1> thanks for your help, though\
[04:01] <hitsujiTMO> stevecoh1: np, sorry i couldn't help
[04:03] <wilee-nilee> stevecoh1, For what it's worth I remember having to run a reset on the install to get mine working per the web.
[04:04] <wilee-nilee> a rm on the config basically
[04:15] <sarvsav> hi
[04:16] <sarvsav> what's the meaning of this statement?
[04:16] <sarvsav> $ set -- *
[04:16] <sarvsav> i have read somewhere to list all files of folder you can run this command. $ set -- *
[04:16] <sarvsav> then
[04:17] <sarvsav> $ echo $#
[04:17] <sarvsav> i know, $# counts the list of arguments
[04:17] <sarvsav> but what set -- is doing?
[04:21] <zee_hax0r> hello!
[04:22] <Animus74> low graphics mode - Cant boot
[04:22] <lotuspsychje> zee_hax0r: hello mate what can we do for you?
[04:22] <zee_hax0r> nothing, I just like saying hello.
[04:22] <lotuspsychje> !details | Animus74
[04:24] <Animus74> i have problem with booting ubuntu. i run a very old pentium processor, 13.04 , intel graphics. The low graphics error started randomly. i have no clue how to fix it, even though i tried several suggestions given on ask ubuntu
[04:24] <ianorlin> does it have pae?
[04:25] <ianorlin> pentium M?
[04:25] <Animus74> no. just pentium.
[04:25] <Animus74> dual core
[04:25] <Flos> Animus74, how low the mode is? and what video card is it?
[04:26] <Animus74> intel graphics card. it just says low graphics mode
[04:27] <ianorlin> what happens after it says low graphics mode?
[04:27] <hitsujiTMO> Animus74: can yuo tell us the output of: lspci | grep VGA
[04:27] <Animus74> okay. im booting. ill tell the display as iboot
[04:28] <Animus74> first the dual boot screen
[04:28] <Animus74> i select ubuntu
[04:28] <Animus74> its loading
[04:28] <Animus74> suddenly screen goes blck
[04:29] <stevecoh1> hitsujiTMO:  Grr, it's all come back to me.  My scanner isn't supported after all.  It was listed on some list but then there was an html page in /usr/share/doc that said it wasn't.  I had to download some drivers from Epson and now it works!
[04:29] <Animus74> system is running in low graphics mode
[04:29] <hitsujiTMO> stevecoh1: hehe cool, at least you should be able to grab those drivers noe
[04:29] <stevecoh1> I think I had to do the same thing 3 years ago with Ubuntu 10.4
[04:29] <hitsujiTMO> now*
[04:29] <Animus74> your graphics card could not be detected
[04:29] <poopootrain> Well it appears that ubuntu is ten times better then debian and will officially be my os of choice for linux
[04:29] <poopootrain> debian needs to grow up.
[04:30] <Animus74> so any suggestions guys?
[04:30] <ianorlin> press control alt f1 and see if you can get into a terminal
[04:30] <Animus74> yeah i can
[04:30] <hitsujiTMO> can you do <ctrl> + <alt> + <f1> to get up a console tty?
[04:30] <ianorlin> and then do the lspci | vga
[04:31] <Animus74> yeah
[04:31] <hitsujiTMO> lspci | grep VGA
[04:31] <ianorlin> crud hitsujiTMO is right command
[04:31] <Animus74> it says UserPc Login
[04:32] <Animus74> i suppose i should login then?
[04:32] <hitsujiTMO> Animus74: just login with your account
[04:32] <Animus74> okay. done
[04:32] <Animus74> ill try the command now
[04:32] <zee_hax0r> Is Ubuntu a new version of Windows 2008?
[04:32] <ianorlin> no
[04:33] <Animus74> okay. so it says VGA compatible controller : Intel something
[04:34] <Animus74> what next?
[04:34] <hitsujiTMO> Animus74: do you have internet access from there? can you ping google? ping www.google.com
[04:34] <Animus74> okay il try. i dont see hpw it can be connected to my wifi, but..
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> !ubuntu | zee_hax0r
[04:35] <Animus74> unknown host google.com
[04:35] <zee_hax0r> Is it like doors than? Should I replace all me windows with doors?
[04:35] <hitsujiTMO> Animus74: just so we can get you to install pastebinit. that will allow you to dump text to the net
[04:35] <Animus74> okay
[04:35] <hitsujiTMO> Animus74: crap ... can you type the full string of thet VGA output line so
[04:36] <Animus74> fine
[04:36] <lotuspsychje> zee_hax0r: plz keep this channel for ubuntu support only
[04:37] <expo987> my iMac won't shut down (running Ubuntu)
[04:37] <expo987> killing all remaining processes...............................[FAILED]
[04:38] <Animus74> 00:02.0 VGA(in red ) compatible controller : Intel Corporation Mobile 4 series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev7)
[04:38] <expo987> how do i get this machine to start shutting down properly
[04:39] <hitsujiTMO> animus: ok now: lspci -k         the VGA line should be there again.but 1 or 2 lines below that it should say what kernel driver is used. can you tell us the kernel driver
[04:41] <Animus74> there are too many lines, and i cant scroll up
[04:41] <hitsujiTMO> lspci -k | less
[04:42] <Animus74> okay , its i915
[04:43] <hitsujiTMO> ok: lspci -nn | grep VGA        there should be a set of digits [8086:XXXX]    can you tell me what XXXX is
[04:44] <Animus74> okay
[04:45] <hitsujiTMO> what are the 4 digits for XXXX
[04:47] <Animus74> hmm. it doesnt say anything.
[04:48] <hitsujiTMO> can you try it again: lspci -nn | grep VGA       make sure VGA is all caps
[04:48] <Flos> Animus74, could you type the whole output?
[04:50] <xeno_> I'm wanting to configure the apache2 on my Ubuntu laptop to simply allow CGI scripts to talk with AJAX.
[04:50] <xeno_> I have it executing a simple CGI script.  I'd like to avoid using PHP, and just stick with simple CGI.
[04:51] <hitsujiTMO> xeno_: iirc the default virtualhost is set up for cgi
[04:52] <xeno_> Yes, I have a cgi script working.
[04:52] <xeno_> Perhaps I need to ask a different question.
[04:52] <xeno_> Is there a configuration that allows or disallows access via XMLHTTPRequest?
[04:52] <e2xistz> How is the state of AMD/ATI graphics support? I'm wary of getting an AMD CPU because of that.
[04:53] <hitsujiTMO> xeno_: probably, but that if off by default
[04:54] <xeno_> I'm sorry, but there's nobody over on the apache channel, and I am using Ubuntu.
[04:54] <daedalus_> e2xistz: I have AMD stuff what do you mean by support? like drivers?
[04:54] <hitsujiTMO> e2xistz: as bad as it's always been. what gpu specifically are you looking to go for?
[04:54] <daedalus_> hitsujiTMO: gmta
[04:55] <whoever> hi all what is a good server? i have a vizio smart tv and it seems to like dlna but cant't find my samba shares, do i need a server like plex running to be found by my not so smart tw
[04:55] <e2xistz> Last time I tried an AMD cpu laptop, the driver was terrible, only 2d and buggy as hell.
[04:56] <hitsujiTMO> xeno_: do you want ajax to talk to cgi?
[04:56] <e2xistz> I have been sticking with Intel cpu because of the great video driver.
[04:56] <xeno_> Yes, hitsujiTMO.
[04:56] <xeno_> I'd prefer that over PHP.
[04:56] <daedalus_> checkout the new AMD powered MSI amd laptop forbes did a review on
[04:56] <hitsujiTMO> xeno_: that works by default
[04:56] <hitsujiTMO> xeno_: you should have no problems with it
[04:57] <xeno_> Okay, then the world is saying it's my damned AJAX that is broken.  Thanks guys.  That helps.
[04:57] <curatrix> .part
[04:59] <hitsujiTMO> e2xistz: atm on ubuntu 13.10: 8k series is difficult to get the driver working on ( you'll have to use a proprietary driver from ppa or ati website. 7k series is pretty o to get running. anything else is pretty much a doddle. the issue with the proprietary drivers is poor 2d acceleration.
[05:01] <FailDrain> how would I run a a.out file in ubuntu terminal ?
[05:01] <xeno_> Oops.  Sorry guys.  One more thing.  Could it be that AJAX is prevented by default on public_html/cgi-bin trees?
[05:01] <FailDrain> I just compiled a main.cpp with g++
[05:01] <hitsujiTMO> FailDrain: ./a.out
[05:01] <daedalus_> is there anything that aptitude can do that apt- cant or vice versa?
[05:01] <FailDrain> thanks hit
[05:01] <ianorlin> you can also use the -o option on g++ to name it something else
[05:01] <e2xistz> hitsujiTMO: Thanks. I'm only thinking of basic integrated AMD video built into the chip/motherboard.  Just want the basic desktop and video working.
[05:01] <FailDrain> Sweet suck on that windows with your shitty cd garbage trash!
[05:02] <FailDrain> suck my wet hairy balls ;P
[05:02] <zee_hax0r> OK!
[05:02] <FailDrain> lol
[05:02] <hitsujiTMO> daedalus_: i think it's jsut more that apt- and aptitude do things differently. apt- is preffered and aptitude can cause some issues ( i don't know the specifics as i don't use it )
[05:03] <daedalus_> hitsujiTMO: is aptitude just a wrapper around apt-?
[05:03] <wilee-nilee> FailDrain, This is a world wide page crossing cultures and ethnic groups, keep it appropriate in the language please.
[05:03] <FailDrain> man I love ubuntu so much thank you guys for making such a great os!
[05:03] <FailDrain> np wilee-nillee: just taking the piss allite my bad
[05:08] <wafflejock> daedalus_: aptitude uses apt
[05:09] <wafflejock> daedalus_: it's a front end built in n-curses
[05:09] <wafflejock> n-curses is just some library that lets you setup "windows" and menus in a terminal using ascii
[05:09] <wafflejock> the software center is also just a front end for apt
[05:09] <ianorlin> um stuff using ncurses can use utf-8 as well
[05:10] <wafflejock> ianorlin: ah thanks for the correction was thinking ASCII-art not really about the charset
[05:48] <lenovox100e> hey! i am considering installing ubuntu on my thinkpad lenovo x100e. according to this: http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201011-6817/ it should work. i've got the same processor as mentioned in the link. so here comes the questions: 1. will an ubuntu install go smoothly on this machine? 2. should i get 12.04 or should i go for the latest lts (13.03) or latest ubuntu version 13.10
[05:48] <lenovox100e> - forgive my stupid question and english. cheers!
[05:48] <FloodBot1> lenovox100e: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:49] <RaginHam> in adding something to the "application autostart", is there a way to run a terminal command?
[05:49] <Eques> no.
[05:49] <lenovox100e> sorry floodbot! ^^
[05:50] <RaginHam> lenovo: that is ubuntu certified
[05:50] <RaginHam> meaning everything should be a quick easy conversion (normally)
[05:52] <RaginHam> I'd venture to say start with 12.04. Once you get familiar with things you can go to newest software 13.10
[05:52] <lenovox100e> RaginHam: thanks for the quick reply. alright, will give it a shot then. any thoughts on which version? 12.04 (certified version) vs 13.04 (lastest lts version) vs 13.10 (latest version)
[05:53] <RaginHam> 12.04
[05:53] <RaginHam> would be my suggestion
[05:53] <lenovox100e> saw your reply just as i hit enter to my follow up question. mind reader!
[05:53] <lenovox100e> alright, will give that a shot then.
[05:54] <RaginHam> but some of these guys suggest stuff daily, and have more experience with different computers. I've only configured my few different systems (none which were certified)
[05:54] <RaginHam> even then, it's normally something small or quirky that I must flex my google muscle to figure out
[05:54] <lenovox100e> security wise is there a difference between 12.04 vs 13.10, i mean the packages within 12.04 must be a little outdated by now, or will i easily fix this with an update of complete system?
[05:55] <RaginHam> eques: what's your thoughts, good sir?
[05:58] <lenovox100e> alright, i will go ahead with this. ubuntu 12.04 that is. thanks a lot for the help!
[05:59] <RaginHam> dual boot or jumping in?
[06:01] <RaginHam> hopefully we see him back here in awhile ;)
[06:17] <Ermolegomosi> Guys I burned dban onto a bootable USB and then autonuked.   It's currently wiping both USB and hdd...   Will it crash or just go through?
[06:18] <Ermolegomosi> Guys I used a bootable USB for dban on my laptop.  Ran autonuke it's currently wiping USB and hdd... Will it crash eventually destroying self? Or run fine?
[06:19] <Ermolegomosi> Crap sorry lag didn't mean to repeat
[06:22] <genii> Most likely it's entirely loaded into ram and will successfully wipe both the hd and the media it booted from
[06:24] <Same> Same dban question sorry got logged out
[06:24] <Same> Did anyone answer?  Sorry
[06:26] <Same> Anyone run dban off USB and autonuke?
[06:26] <Zeeb> Hey guys i needed some help with my screen... it seems that it is out of bounds? btw its a fresh install of ubuntu http://imgur.com/6GXGGCO
[06:27] <zhaotongxue> today i will go to school
[06:27] <zhaotongxue> nice to bye you ....!
[06:28] <zhaotongxue> hello
[06:29] <genii> Same: Most likely it's entirely loaded into ram and will successfully wipe both the hd and the media it booted from. But this is more an educated guess.
[06:29] <zhaotongxue> .........
[06:30] <zhaotongxue> nice .
[06:30] <zhaotongxue> bye
[06:30] <FloodBot1> zhaotongxue: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:33] <rajmahendra> I am trying to upgrade to new version of ubuntu i run the updater and after what when i restart my system it says the graphic is not supported move to mover graphics i say yes but the windown i showing a blank screen and rotating cursor for many minutes and noting is coming. anyone help me ?
[06:34] <alpharender_> lol gotta love computers
[06:34] <alpharender_> update bios on pos dell laptop and now ubuntu core dumps on boot
[06:35] <rajmahendra> anyone suggest me to recover back ?
[06:35] <wafflejock> alpharender_: may want to check out the HDD settings in the BIOS perhaps something just got defaulted differently... worth a shot at least
[06:38] <alpharender_> rajmahendra, find out what graphics card you have with lspci, check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for clues
[06:38] <alpharender_> rajmahendra,  try a different tty on ctrl+alt+f1 .. (f7 is X)
[06:41] <rajmahendra> alpharender_:  i don't see any exception as such in the log
[06:41] <wafflejock> rajmahendra: yup as alpharender says you probably want to check out your Xorg log also you probably want to check out /etc/X11/xorg.conf you may want to try backing up that file by moving it (mv) then use X -configure
[06:41] <rajmahendra> at the end i see server terminated successfully closing log file
[06:41] <wafflejock> http://askubuntu.com/questions/4662/where-is-the-x-org-config-file-how-do-i-configure-x-there
[06:41] <genii> !xorgconf
[06:41] <zerocircle> hi!
[06:42] <zerocircle> what's widgets???
[06:42] <wafflejock> zerocircle: in KDE?
[06:42] <zerocircle> means in general, what's difference in api and widget wafflejock
[06:42] <alpharender_> rajmahendra,  gotta be something
[06:43] <alpharender_> if you have an nvidia card its easy to get deprecated in updates and make your system broken as it updated a new module which does not support the card anymore
[06:43] <alpharender_> if you have a dell... its easy to break by using it
[06:44] <wafflejock> zerocircle: not sure I understand the question... a widget generally doesn't have it's own window decorations but rather is added to a panel or to the desktop in KDE
[06:44] <wafflejock> alpharender_: truth
[06:44] <alpharender_> something is wrong at the dell labs when they push out bios updates every three months for one system
[06:44] <Guest21346> #need help guyz
[06:44] <wafflejock> alpharender_: I worked at the Wrigley building in Chicago and we used Dells, constantly HDD breaking and keyboards disconnecting
[06:45] <wafflejock> alpharender_: luckily they were good about replacing stuff and very easy to fix
[06:45] <zerocircle> wafflejock, u'r right google also saying samething... I just heared this name alot.. asking
[06:45] <Guest21346> #how to hack web pages guyz
[06:45] <Guest21346> #how to hack web pages guyz
[06:45] <Guest21346> #how to hack web pages guyz
[06:45] <FloodBot1> Guest21346: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:45] <alpharender_> wafflejock,  ever have 4, 24 disk 10krpm SAS servers shipped with the wrong sas cable, causing enclosure errors leading to false-positive smart failures?
[06:45] <Guest21346> #how to hack web pages guyz
[06:45] <alpharender_> yeah... dell does that
[06:45] <wafflejock> haha yeah can't say that I have
[06:46] <Guest21346> #....
[06:46] <Guest21346> how tohack re
[06:46] <wafflejock> that's terrible
[06:46] <alpharender_> how to hack.. first reach into your pocket
[06:46] <alpharender_> find the plastic thingy with #s on it
[06:46] <Guest21346> fuck you guyzz
[06:46] <alpharender_> tell them to us
[06:50] <alpharender_> i have this dell i7 laptop and thing overheats, stupid thing does not turn on fans until its too late
[06:51] <wafflejock> alpharender_: yeah rocking an i7 here too they are toasty
[06:51] <wafflejock> alpharender_: I just use my laptop with external everything and it's sitting on a huge quite fan
[06:52] <wilee-nilee> alpharender_, You install lm-sensors and run the commands?
[06:52] <alpharender_> i can bareley get there
[06:52] <alpharender_> barely ?
[06:52] <alpharender_> barely
[06:53] <wafflejock> oh yeah quiet* haha programmers so good at spelling
[06:53] <alpharender_> what is annoying is when it turns on you can hear the fans hit turbo mode during post test, but it never does that for normal ops
[06:53] <alpharender_> Hmm
[06:54] <alpharender_> i should just bite the bullet put windows back on and install linux on the desktop
[06:54] <kik11> hello. can anybody help? xmodmap settings are falling after changing keyboard layout. What to do with that?
[06:58] <jacobo_> exit
[07:03] <BradTN> Can anyone help me setup my software raid plz?
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> !raid | BradTN
[07:04] <BradTN> thx...
[07:04] <wafflejock> alpharender_: Don't do it https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Fan_Speed_Control
[07:05] <BradTN> can someone actually help me now?
[07:05] <BradTN> getting some weird dialogue when trying to create the raid
[07:05] <alpharender_> dont?
[07:05] <wafflejock> alpharender_: go back to windows :)
[07:05] <wafflejock> alpharender_: step back from the ledge man :)
[07:05] <alpharender_> Yea im wasting too much time with this
[07:06] <alpharender_> its so weird, my crappy acer i5 laptop runs linux just fine
[07:07] <genii> !details | BradTN
[07:07] <genii> eg: What does the "weird dialogue" say, for instance
[07:11] <wafflejock> alpharender_: just installed a CPU sensor I'm sitting at 47 degrees C
[07:12] <wafflejock> i7 3630QM 2.4GHz running Kubuntu 13.04
[07:13] <BigMao> Hi there, off topic question - I had antipasto tonight and it had these olive-like seed pods
[07:13] <BigMao> also resembling green grapes with stems
[07:13] <BigMao> what are those called?
[07:14] <wafflejock> alpharender_: turned off the big fan under it and started up KSP and it's up to 60 degrees C
[07:14] <alpharender_> I have similar issue but it just does not feel right
[07:14] <alpharender_> its sluggish and crappy
[07:14] <genii> BigMao: That's not an Ubuntu support question, please ask in #ubuntu-offtopic or another channel.
[07:15] <alpharender_> i repasted the sink too... boy do they do a crappy job with the paste
[07:15] <wafflejock> alpharender_: yeah the build quality isn't superb... I'm running System76 right now, pretty happy with it but only a year in we'll see how it stands up over time
[07:16] <wafflejock> alpharender_: saw lots of GX270s with blown capacitors was just a cheap part in an otherwise decent motherboard
[07:16] <alpharender_> wafflejock,  the system76 running a 'standard' bios?
[07:16] <alpharender_> pheonix ...
[07:16] <wafflejock> alpharender_: the bios is garbage
[07:17] <wafflejock> think it's american megatrends
[07:17] <wafflejock> but doesn't have much to offer there
[07:17] <alpharender_> you know what i mean...dell has it all dellified
[07:17] <wafflejock> the SSD is great though
[07:17] <wafflejock> I feel like I can't use computers without SSD anymore, and it sucks cause they're expensive and small
[07:18] <wafflejock> plus gives me a misconstrued idea about what other peoples experience will be like even testing server code (MySQL execution) is so much faster on my machine than on the actual server
[07:19] <alpharender_> expectations are awesome
[07:19] <alpharender_> another department asked if we can virtualize SSD
[07:20] <alpharender_> something with tempfs i guess
[07:21] <wafflejock> yeah CPU here gets up to 69 that seems to be where it stops
[07:21] <arun> Facing a strange bug in Ubuntu 12.04 LTS 64bit version
[07:22] <arun> The whole system tends to freeze for about 10-15 minutes when the mouse pointer is taken to top left region of screen while using firefox
[07:23] <wafflejock> arun: only with firefox?
[07:23] <arun> and this happens within the first 30minutes of stating the system, if u make it through.. it does not happen
[07:23] <arun> yes
[07:23] <arun> I have observed this only with firefox
[07:23] <arun> and after the latest update
[07:24] <arun> how can i report this bug?
[07:24] <lotuspsychje> arun: what was your default Os on your system?
[07:24] <arun> Ubuntu
[07:24] <lotuspsychje> arun: did you buy it this way?
[07:24] <arun> i have installled it over OpenSuSE12.3 64bit...
[07:24] <arun> no..
[07:25] <arun> I installed openSuSE first
[07:25] <arun> and then installed Ubuntu over it..
[07:25] <wafflejock> arun: perhaps run firefox from console and see if you get any feedback, also maybe run htop from a another tty ctrl+alt+f1 to see what's going on
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> arun: default Os when it came out the store?
[07:25] <arun> there was no default OS when i purchased it..
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> ok
[07:25] <arun> well it was DOS,
[07:25] <wafflejock> arun: wow really
[07:26] <wafflejock> arun: is it old or they just had dos?
[07:26] <arun> no.. ive got i5 3rd gen and all, i just did not prefer Windows
[07:26] <wafflejock> arun: yeah that's cool I'm just surprised anyone has MS-DOS anymore?
[07:26] <arun> its  a thinkpad, so they always give u  DOS
[07:26] <lotuspsychje> arun: the reason im asking this because i've seen weird freezes with win7 as default Os freezing ubuntu
[07:27] <arun> I have kept my laptop safe from Windows
[07:27] <wafflejock> arun: ah I didn't know that interesting
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> arun: but if only FF freezes this will not be your case
[07:27] <wafflejock> arun: another reason to like thinkpad I suppose
[07:28] <wafflejock> arun: yeah I would just try to make sure it's FF and see if it's choking the CPU or what
[07:28] <wafflejock> you can use top, htop, iotop, to get some more info
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> arun: maybe try to start firefox from terminal, see what kind errors you getting
[07:28] <arun> I cant use anything during the freeze
[07:28] <arun> nothing works, it seems llike a kernel Panic.
[07:28] <wafflejock> arun: you can switch to another screen using Ctrl+Alt+F1 no?
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[07:28] <wafflejock> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/
[07:28] <arun> no
[07:29] <arun> I cant switch to other screens
[07:29] <lotuspsychje> arun: so its a whole system freeze?
[07:29] <arun> yes.. the whole system.. just like a kernel Panic, but without the stack dump and all..
[07:29] <lotuspsychje> arun:  how do you know its FF related?
[07:29] <arun> but it comes back live after 10-12 minutes
[07:29] <wafflejock> arun: perhaps you can use sshd to remote in?
[07:29] <arun> iit always happened with Firefox, this is the 7t time
[07:30] <lotuspsychje> thats one strange situation indeed
[07:30] <arun> i am not using FF ryt now.. and the system is working fine..
[07:30] <arun> PS: FF has to be in the foreground
[07:30] <wafflejock> arun: yeah would say switch to Chromium or whatever for the time being and file the bug with Mozilla if you can't find it
[07:30] <lotuspsychje> arun: i would hunt errors in /var/log/syslog.1 and try start firefox from terminal
[07:32] <arun> i am alien to debugging techniques, so if u guys can tell me where to look for what, i will be glad to help
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> arun: you have memory enough to handle FF?
[07:33] <Smokie> Hello I have a network/NAS Query can anyone assist pls?
[07:33] <wafflejock> I'm sure with an i5 it should be okay
[07:33] <intrader> Anyone, basic understanding needed. Why in the navigator's /home view I don't see an intrader folder?. In a terminal I find it under /home
[07:33] <wafflejock> I have a Dell C600 sitting over here that can run firefox
[07:33] <wafflejock> granted if anything with Flash loads it just crashes Flash but this thing has a HDD that was made in 2000
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> intrader: you need to click /home then usernames will show
[07:34] <wafflejock> intrader: not sure what navigator/file browser you're using but if you hit Ctrl+L you can see the path for your current folder your  viewing
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> intrader: entering /home will show you folder intrader
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> intrader: from terminal it will show /home/intrader
[07:35] <wafflejock> !ask | Smokie
[07:35] <AJH101> Hi i have a fresh install of 13.10 - is the blue login screen the default?! Where do I change it please? thanks
[07:36] <intrader> lotuspsychje, navigator is that application that displays the home folder
[07:36] <Smokie> I have a NAS, how do I add it into my system so that its always there, rather than having to 'mount' it every time?
[07:36] <wafflejock> AJH101: should be in system settings login screen I believe... I'm on Kubuntu 13.04 but generally setting are about the same
[07:36] <wafflejock> Smokie: believe you need fstab
[07:36] <wafflejock> !fstab
[07:37] <zero_coder> hello, my applications are freezing at times
[07:37] <zero_coder> i am using ubuntu 13.10
[07:38] <intrader> lotuspsychje, click on /home where?
[07:38] <wafflejock> zero_coder: are you watching system monitor or htop or anything to see if your CPU is spiking?
[07:38] <wafflejock> intrader: in your navigtor if you hit Ctrl+L you should be able to type the path the same as you would in a terminal
[07:39] <wafflejock> you can hit Ctrl+L then type /home and hit enter and it should show all of your users folders (assuming defaults)
[07:39] <wafflejock> depending on your file browser they usually have a button to click to see the /home folder in the bar on the left as well
[07:39] <zero_coder> wafflejock :yep
[07:39] <wafflejock> zero_coder: seeing anything peaking out?
[07:40] <zero_coder> wafflejock, it goes upto 30 at max
[07:40] <wafflejock> do you have a quad-core?
[07:40] <wafflejock> it may be peaking one of the cores
[07:40] <zero_coder> wafflejock, nope , dualcore
[07:40] <wafflejock> hyperthreading?
[07:40] <zero_coder> wafflejock, yes
[07:40] <wafflejock> okay makes sense again :)
[07:40] <wafflejock> 25% would be a single "core" on your system peaking out I believe
[07:41] <wafflejock> so what is at the top of htop
[07:41] <wafflejock> or if you sort by CPU in system monitor
[07:41] <zero_coder> wafflejock, my browser
[07:41] <wafflejock> got flash running or any pages that might be suspect?
[07:42] <zero_coder> gmail
[07:42] <wafflejock> yeah could be
[07:42] <theadmin> GMail isn't Flash
[07:42] <wafflejock> gmail works on this old machine here
[07:42] <wafflejock> but it's heavy
[07:42] <wafflejock> lots of moving parts and ajax
[07:42] <wafflejock> youtube crashes the machine here entirely
[07:42] <wafflejock> well crashes the browser
[07:43] <AJH101> wafflejock: thanks for the suggestion but i cannot find what i need to change the login screen background. any other ideas out there?
[07:43] <zero_coder> wafflejock, i have tried different os , its all the same
[07:43] <pngl> I have a problem with installing software from a ppa: I added it but apt-get says the software can't be found. The ppa is https://launchpad.net/~avsm/+archive/ppa
[07:43] <wafflejock> zero_coder: hmm weird wonder if you're having some HDD issues or something then
[07:43] <wafflejock> zero_coder: perhaps fsck
[07:43] <zero_coder> pngl, have u updated after adding repo?
[07:43] <arun> wat should i look for the next time system crashes with FF?
[07:44] <pngl> I did apt-get update afterwards, but then apt-get install opam gives me:"Unable to locate package opam"
[07:44] <zero_coder> wafflejock, fsck tried. 0 bad blocks
[07:44] <wafflejock> pngl: means the URL is wrong
[07:44] <wafflejock> or repo is down
[07:44] <zero_coder> pngl : apt-cache search opam
[07:44] <pngl> wafflejock: I did sudo add-apt-repository ppa:avsm/ppa
[07:44] <pngl> zero_coder: no result
[07:44] <wafflejock> zero_coder: well wait though the 25% CPU still seems really high for the browser, is that true with FF or chromium
[07:45] <Pici> pngl: opam is only available for raring from that PPA, are you on that release?
[07:45] <helmut_> hi
[07:45] <zero_coder> wafflejock, FF is a night mare.. freezes too often for me
[07:45] <pngl> Pici: ah thanks, I'm on 13.10 :)
[07:45] <zero_coder> pngl : :)
[07:46] <kalakadsn> suggest some good CD/DVD burning application
[07:46] <zero_coder> wafflejock, even this xchat window is freezing for a second or so at times
[07:46] <kalakadsn> hello everyone, please suggest me some good CD/DVD burning application for ubuntu
[07:47] <wilee-nilee> zero_coder, Install htop and see what's eaten it
[07:47] <zero_coder> kalakadsn, brasero
[07:47] <wafflejock> zero_coder: wee-heird not sure
[07:47] <wafflejock> +1 brasero
[07:47] <wafflejock> K3B works fine too
[07:47] <wafflejock> for KDE
[07:47] <wilee-nilee> zero_coder, Maybe check your ram
[07:47] <kalakadsn> zero_coder: it is not good at all, it made my DVD unusable
[07:48] <zero_coder> wilee-nilee, check the ram??
[07:48] <kalakadsn> zero_coder: i also tried K3B and it crashes very oftenly
[07:48] <wafflejock> kalakadsn: I've never had it crash burned plenty of ISOs
[07:48] <wilee-nilee> zero_coder, Knock out the variables
[07:48] <kalakadsn> zero_coder: and these crashes are reproducible
[07:48] <wafflejock> kalakadsn: usually I check the MD5 sum and have it verify the disc never had a problem really
[07:49] <zero_coder> wilee-nilee , variables?
[07:49] <wilee-nilee> zero_coder, possibilities.
[07:49] <wafflejock> I gotta say disc burning is one of those things that has just about always worked everywhere for me, Img Burn on windows and either Brasero or K3b
[07:49] <zero_coder> wilee-nilee, i have been trying to spot the trouble for hours now
[07:50] <kalakadsn> wafflejock: let me tell you the steps i took, i open K3B and select data project and then i added files to the project, whenever i click to files added to the project, in the section given below , it crashed
[07:50] <zero_coder> wilee-nilee, tried different flavours of linux, tried different apps whatever watever :P
[07:50] <wilee-nilee> zero_coder, Sure and when doing that you generally check every possibility to get down to what is causing it.
[07:51] <wilee-nilee> zero_coder, If this is happening across multiple OS's I would look at the hardware.
[07:51] <zero_coder> wilee-nilee, checked the harddisk , it has no bad sectors . someone told me that unity needs 3d graphics rendering , so switched to lde , even that has troubles
[07:51] <kalakadsn> mostly when i click to the added folder
[07:51] <wafflejock> zero_coder: yeah it sounds like it must be something low level with your hardware and the kernel or something that's going wrong if it's the same problem across different distros and things memory check isn't a bad idea
[07:52] <wafflejock> kalakadsn: let me try like I said mostly burn ISOs
[07:52] <zero_coder> wafflejock, how to od a memory check?
[07:52] <zero_coder> do*
[07:52] <wilee-nilee> missing drivers or broken ram...etc
[07:52] <wafflejock> zero_coder: you can boot with a install iso it gives an option for memory check... think maybe holding shift during boot can get you grub menu with memory check
[07:52] <genii> zero_coder: Usually one of the boot options is called memtest
[07:53] <zero_coder> wafflejock, okay got it
[07:53] <kalakadsn> wafflejock: Try to add a folder to the data project, whatever size it have, and then click to the added folder, in the added data section(DVD), it instantly crashes
[07:53] <zero_coder> genii, thanks
[07:53] <wafflejock> kalakadsn: yeah not sure no issue here
[07:53] <wafflejock> I just dragged in some random stuff
[07:53] <wafflejock> 6.7mb apparently not much but no crash
[07:53] <wafflejock> I'm using Kubuntu though
[07:54] <kalakadsn> what could be the problem, should i add some addons
[07:54] <wafflejock> if I were Unity I would probably go Brasero
[07:54] <kalakadsn> i am using minimal set of application in the KDE, i tried to run the same in both KDE and ubuntu
[07:54] <kalakadsn> same resutl
[07:54] <kalakadsn> result*
[07:54] <wafflejock> try running k3b from command line
[07:54] <wafflejock> see if you get any feedback about the crash
[07:55] <kalakadsn> wafflejock: let me check
[07:56] <wangn> .ubuntu
[07:56] <wangn> ,ubunut
[07:56] <wangn> ,ubuntu
[07:56] <wangn> !ubuntu
[07:57] <aleksejs_> Hi, could anyone help me?
[07:58] <wafflejock> !ask | aleksejs_
[07:58] <genii> aleksejs_: Perhaps first describe to the channel more specifically what you need assistance with, then someone may take it up
[07:58] <wilee-nilee> aleksejs_, Do we guess the problem or you gonna tell us?
[07:59] <wafflejock> my way was easier :)
[07:59] <kalakadsn> wafflejock: it work for some time, i tried two times, it worked okay in command line but third times, it crashed again, my folder contains MP3 AND Images, here is the output in the terminal http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6351518/
[08:00] <wafflejock> kalakadsn: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12662760/qt-creator-crashes-after-choosing-new-project
[08:00] <wafflejock> kalakadsn: shot in the dark
[08:00] <wafflejock> kalakadsn: Qt is from nokia and does UI stuff cross platform, apparently removing some part of it helps though
[08:01] <kalakadsn> wafflejock: it is related with celemtine player, but celemtine is running fine, should i remove it
[08:01] <kalakadsn> i mean package that is mentioned in the link
[08:01] <wafflejock> kalakadsn: no harm can always re install
[08:01] <kalakadsn> :D
[08:02] <wafflejock> kalakadsn: not really sure how else to debug that error but to google and cross fingers
[08:02] <wafflejock> kalakadsn: without getting into downloading the k3b source and all
[08:03] <wafflejock> kalakadsn: perhaps if you'd like can also try running brasero from command line and see if the error gives something that doesn't require removing anything you use or anything at all for that matter... your call
[08:04] <wangn> Bonjour!
[08:04] <wafflejock> !ubuntu-fr | wangn
[08:04] <wafflejock> !ubuntufr | wangn
[08:05] <wafflejock> dern it
[08:05] <kalakadsn> wafflejock: Brasero made my DVD's unusable at all, i don't dare to try that again
[08:05] <kalakadsn> i will try brasero with rewritable dvd
[08:05] <aleksejs_> here's a problem: I have a laptop with i3 and GF720m. I tried to launch some steam games via wine, and most of them worked, but some of them crashed. I've found out that one of these games is using a i3 built-in vga, not GF720, so I've decided to try to enable 720 by default. I've tried this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bumblebee and now all games are crashing at the launch. I've tried to completely wipe out wine. steam and all these games, nothing helps. T
[08:05] <aleksejs_> he example of error: http://pastebin.com/Dxx2dAir
[08:05] <wafflejock> kalakadsn: hmm strange perhaps try to lower the burning speed that's the only thing I think has effected the readability of a burned disc for me
[08:08] <kalakadsn> wafflejock: thanks, removal of that package worked like a charm
[08:08] <kalakadsn> both in command line
[08:08] <wafflejock> kalakadsn: sweet glad to hear it
[08:08] <kalakadsn> or run from menu
[08:08] <kalakadsn> a HIT IN THE DARK, worked
[08:08] <kalakadsn> heheheh
[08:08] <wafflejock> yeah saw a couple of other bugs filed with same result
[08:08] <wafflejock> bad package, very bad package
[08:11] <kalakadsn> wafflejock: Thanks again for the help
[08:11] <wafflejock> kalakadsn: sure thing always glad when it works out for people
[08:13] <kalakadsn> wafflejock: is there any way to improve read write speed to the NTFS partitions, i have a dual boot system and it is necessary for me to switch to windows for office 2010 like programs
[08:15] <kalakadsn> i couldn't format all my system, in ext4 partitions
[08:15] <kalakadsn> so i need them, because of windows thing
[08:15] <wafflejock> kalakadsn: not sure about that, I generally just run Kubuntu like 99% of the time and have Win 8 in a virtual machine for Adobe CS stuff when I need it
[08:16] <wafflejock> kalakadsn: can't use LibreOffice?
[08:16] <kalakadsn> libre office is good but Microsoft office set standards in the industry , libre office is way behind Microsoft office
[08:16] <wafflejock> kalakadsn: way behind in what respects?
[08:16] <wafflejock> I'd be surprised they're lagging much anymore since the whole 2010 XLSX DOCX etc are pretty well documented
[08:17] <kalakadsn> can use Libreoffice but document compatibility, calibri like fonts
[08:17] <kalakadsn> looks horrible in libre office
[08:17] <wafflejock> hmm yeah fonts are always an issue
[08:18] <ripthejacker> how do I add a sudo command to my script?
[08:18] <wafflejock> sorry dunno I do web development stuff mostly so I rely on Adobe for Photoshop to get comps and whatnot from designers, and to mock stuff up myself here or there, but like I said just run in a VM and have an SSD so I don't feel the performance is that bad
[08:18] <kalakadsn> like live preview of shadows, color change, etc
[08:18] <wafflejock> kalakadsn: I mostly really just use Google Docs which is really basic but the ease of sharing makes it worthwhile
[08:18] <artur_> aaau
[08:19] <ripthejacker> I have a script that runs a command to connect to pppoe network and then set a static ip to the eth0 interface
[08:19] <wafflejock> kalakadsn: granted I'm starting a small business and we are usually working with other small businesses who haven't completely bought into the Microsoft ecosystem
[08:19] <kalakadsn> i could not use win8 in virtual machine because i have only 2 gb ram on my system and processor is only dual core, with no hardware virtualization
[08:19] <wafflejock> kalakadsn: ah yeah that's probably not a great idea then
[08:20] <kalakadsn> yes, microsoft costs a lot
[08:20] <wafflejock> newer hardware an option? for a 1000 you can get something very nice
[08:20] <kalakadsn> wafflejock: No, its a laptop
[08:20] <ripthejacker> I am running this script from a zshell
[08:21] <wafflejock> kalakadsn: well meant just replacing the laptop isn't an option?
[08:21] <aleksejs_> So, any ideas about my problem?
[08:21] <ripthejacker> When I try to run that script, I get the error: permission denied.
[08:21] <kalakadsn> wafflejock: No, My finance doesn't allow me to replace laptop, and i will move to libre office slowly
[08:22] <kalakadsn> i am trying my hand and getting familiar
[08:22] <wafflejock> ripthejacker: http://askubuntu.com/questions/155791/how-do-i-sudo-a-command-in-a-script-without-being-asked-for-a-password
[08:22] <ripthejacker> wafflejock: I checked that, but that's not what I want, I want to be asked a password.
[08:23] <ripthejacker> But instead of asking me the password it just give me permission denied error
[08:23] <wafflejock> ripthejacker: if you  just use sudo in the script it doesn't prompt you?
[08:23] <ripthejacker> wafflejock: no, It fails with error, permission denied.
[08:23] <wafflejock> ripthejacker: I'm not familiar with doing this but it seems like if you had sudo something in a command it would prompt
[08:23] <wafflejock> huh
[08:23] <ripthejacker> FYI, I use zsh
[08:25] <ripthejacker> wafflejock: ok Gotit
[08:25] <ric__264> paradiso
[08:25] <ripthejacker> the file didn't have the execute permission, but this zsh still had it in autocomplete
[08:26] <wafflejock> ripthejacker: ah okay good to know
[08:26] <ripthejacker> wafflejock: have been using zsh for only few days now. And guess this is one of the gotchas.
[08:26] <wafflejock> ripthejacker: yeah I've pretty much always stuck with bash why zsh?
[08:28] <ripthejacker> wafflejock: This autocompletion and really good customizations
[08:28] <ripthejacker> :P
[08:28] <ripthejacker> It has been really helpful.
[08:28] <wafflejock> ripthejacker: so the thing that just shot you in the foot :P
[08:28] <Kevin_Flynn> Ubuntu 12.04 desktop...  After reinstalling  Ubuntu belkin Basic Wireless usb adapter F7D1101 keeps dropping the connection.  Installed with ndiswrapper.
[08:28] <ripthejacker> wafflejock: hehe , yeah I know
[08:29] <wafflejock> thats cool though fun to check out new stuff, and any kind of scripting is always good
[08:30] <salamandre85> Hi all, 12.04 LTS dead from Nvidia 319 driver, no access to drivers from recovery mode. Need instructions on how to get to root shell or TTY from grub
[08:31] <wafflejock> salamandre85: boot in from grub then use Ctrl+Alt+F1 after the system boots to get a shell
[08:31] <wafflejock> salamandre85: then back up your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and make a new one
[08:31] <wangn> Who knows the default video card module for the 'Intel i5m480 video card'?
[08:31] <wafflejock> X -configure
[08:31] <wafflejock> copy the new one to the old location
[08:32] <salamandre85> wafflejock: do you mean hit Ctrl+Alt+F1 while grub is up?
[08:32] <wangn> wafflejock: Say to me?
[08:32] <wafflejock> salamandre85: no, select your OS at grub even though the video is going to fail when you get in there, once it shows you the video failure you can switch to tty
[08:33] <wafflejock> wangn: nope sorry don't know
[08:33] <salamandre85> wafflejock: it doesn't get that far
[08:33] <salamandre85> wafflejock: (if I'm lucky) I get splash, then freeze
[08:33] <wafflejock> salamandre85: can't Ctrl+Alt+F1 at that point?
[08:34] <salamandre85> wafflejock: i'll try it
[08:34] <wafflejock> salamandre85: yeah even if the X display stuff is botched you can usually get there
[08:34] <wangn> wafflejock: aha, I find it use in your way, thank u!
[08:34] <wafflejock> heh np glad you found it
[08:35] <wafflejock> almost everything is 1 a wifi problem or 2 a X config problem
[08:35] <wafflejock> unforntunately the wifi ones are varied and complicated
[08:35] <Kevin_Flynn> I've been looking for a linux driver for my usb adapter but, I can't find one.
[08:35] <wafflejock> Kevin_Flynn: yeah I saw your post but nothing to contribute
[08:35] <wafflejock> Kevin_Flynn: sorry
[08:36] <wafflejock> I've had a lot of luck with Intel chipset based wireless adapters
[08:36] <Kevin_Flynn> wafflejock, It's Ok.  I was hoping someone else might notice.
[08:37] <Kevin_Flynn> I don't even know why it would drop the connection.
[08:38] <wafflejock> yeah I've got this old Dell C600 I picked up from a client that is basically a zombie computer at this point but any wifi adapter I put in it, it can scan the wifi networks and can see my router but can't connect (regardless of security options)
[08:39] <wafflejock> on the other hand my System76 connects flawlessly everywhere and gets great speed
[08:39] <wafflejock> also believe the wifi card I got for the desktop is intel based too... was for the hackintosh compatibility there though
[08:40] <Kevin_Flynn> Guess I should get a d-link or something with more Linux compatibility.
[08:41] <wafflejock> Kevin_Flynn: yeah it really helps to have compatible hardware, not worth the struggle
[08:41] <Kevin_Flynn> K. Thanks.
[08:44] <aleksejs_> ok, thank's for "help", I've figured it somehow by myself. I have another question, this should be easier: I've installed ubuntu without any swap partition, but now I can see that this was a bad idea, because games use RAM a lot. Is it possible to enable swap partition without reinstalling OS? Will ubuntu see it and will it work with it?
[08:45] <aeon-ltd> aleksejs_: you have 2 choices swap file or partition, choose one
[08:45] <Raymii> I've got a folder with too many subfolders, which when removing lets rm crash. However it is taking up all of the disks space. How do I remove the folder?
[08:45] <Raymii> I've got a folder with too many subfolders, which when removing lets rm crash. However it is taking up all of the disks space. How do I remove the folder?
[08:45] <wafflejock> !swap
[08:46] <aleksejs_> aeon-ltd, so, if I just create swp partition, will it work?
[08:46] <wafflejock> aleksejs_: sorry you didn't get a response at first think you were asking about games in wine, I have only used steam games that actually are made for Linux so have no experience trying to run them in wine or the like
[08:46] <aeon-ltd> aleksejs_: yes, and use 'swapon' to load it it will work
[08:47] <wafflejock> aleksejs_: details in the link too
[08:47] <wafflejock> !swap | aleksejs_
[08:48] <aleksejs_> wafflejock, it's possible to run steam via winetricks, so most of windows steam games will work
[08:48] <wafflejock> Raymii: are you running sudo rm -rf on the folder
[08:48] <Raymii> both
[08:48] <Raymii> wafflejock Both
[08:48] <wafflejock> aleksejs_: that's cool to know just saying think you were possibly ignored cause lots of people haven't tried (er at least I haven't)
[08:49] <wafflejock> Raymii: you may need to boot from a live CD not sure why that would happen though
[08:49] <Raymii> wafflejock This is what I did: hile true; do mv a a.tmp; mkdir a; mv a.tmp a/; done
[08:49] <Raymii> wafflejock This is what I did: while true; do mv a a.tmp; mkdir a; mv a.tmp a/; done
[08:49] <aleksejs_> here's a tutorial which I've found useful (maybe other's will). It's skyrim specific, but it shows how to launch steam games with steam wineprefix http://www.steamgamesonlinux.com/skyrim-the-elder-scrolls-v/
[08:50] <Raymii> wafflejock It is an openvz VM, even removing it from the host system does not work...
[08:50] <Raymii> wafflejock I even cannot remove the VM
[08:51] <wafflejock> sorry Raymii you lost me there
[08:51] <Raymii> wafflejock I think I'm screwed :(
[08:53] <wafflejock> Raymii: yeah I mean without being able to install anything else I'm not sure what you can do
[08:53] <wafflejock> even so I imagine most tools just use rm in the background
[08:53] <wafflejock> I have K4DirStat which shows a nice chart of file disk space usage
[08:54] <Raymii> wafflejock Yep they do..
[08:54] <wafflejock> and can delete from there but I imagine it's still just rm in the background
[08:54] <wafflejock> Raymii: have you tried from a live cd?
[08:54] <Raymii> wafflejock Yes I did, rm crashes as well...
[08:55] <wafflejock> Raymii: bummer
[09:02] <zero_coder> wafflejock, nothing wrong with the ram
[09:02] <r0x> my ubuntu completely freezes
[09:02] <zero_coder> r0x, for a couple of seconds every  at times?
[09:02] <r0x> nope
[09:03] <r0x> i had to reboot the machine
[09:03] <r0x> no signal of life in an hour
[09:03] <zero_coder> r0x , oops
[09:03] <r0x> i'm trying to understand what happened
[09:04] <zero_coder> tried monitoring?
[09:04] <wafflejock> zero_coder: yeah not sure when you don't have a browser running and you run htop or top is something still spiking any of the cores
[09:04] <r0x> but in kernel.log isn't written anything useful
[09:04] <wafflejock> zero_coder: only time I think I've had behavior like that is when I had some hard disk problems... you don't have any extra USB stuff plugged in do you?
[09:05] <zero_coder> wafflejock, nope
[09:05] <zero_coder> wafflejock, each of the core is going upto 10
[09:06] <wafflejock> zero_coder: that seems about okay
[09:06] <wafflejock> zero_coder: I am idling with about 4% per CPU listening to pandora through Pithos and quite a bit of stuff open
[09:06] <zero_coder> wafflejock, the thing is computer doesnt actually freeze
[09:06] <wafflejock> 2.4Ghz quadcore
[09:07] <zero_coder> wafflejock, so my processing is okay
[09:07] <wafflejock> zero_coder: yeah it seems reasonable
[09:07] <zero_coder> wafflejock, its just that certain applications maybe
[09:07] <wafflejock> it sounds like something interrupt wise is going wrong or something
[09:07] <wafflejock> wireless keyboard and/or mouse?
[09:08] <zero_coder> nope
[09:08] <zero_coder> i have connected my phone for charging through USB port
[09:08] <aleksejs_> http://i.imgur.com/dwI5zqO.png << is this a problem with vga drivers?
[09:11] <wafflejock> aleksejs_: again no idea but looks like something with the Z-Buffer
[09:11] <zero_coder> wafflejock, my phone connected through usb port
[09:12] <wafflejock> aleksejs_: this based on one class in 3D graphics though... it just looks like it's not properly applying the shaders or anything and just showing the Z-buffering (stuff closest to the camera being rendered with flat colors)
[09:12] <Kolmogorov> Testing (please ignore)
[09:12] <wafflejock> zero_coder: yeah I mean I would disconnect anything just to elimate possibilities
[09:12] <zero_coder> wafflejock, okay
[09:13] <wafflejock> zero_coder: best to strip down to a point where it works then slowly add one by one to see what causes the problem if possible
[09:13] <zero_coder> wafflejock, everything is disconnected
[09:17] <zero_coder> wafflejock, disconncted and reconnected not much difference
[09:34] <stephans> Hi, how can I fix NTFS filesystems under ubuntu 13.10?
[09:36] <wafflejock> stephans: you have to be more specific about how it's broken
[09:37] <stephans> wafflejock: I want to run fsck to see what is broken... but fsck.ntfs is no longer available in ubuntu 13.10
[09:38] <genii> man ntfsfix
[09:43] <ripthejacker> how do I run a .desktop file in a terminal?
[09:44] <x1> how do i set the default folder view to detailed list
[09:44] <ripthejacker> Trying to run the .desktop fails silently, But if the I try to run the entry in 'Exec' it runs fine.
[09:45] <x1x1> how do i set the default folder view to detailed list?
[09:45] <x1x1> on lubuntu
[09:47] <wafflejock> ripthejacker: .desktop file just contain info for the binary and icon and the like
[09:47] <wafflejock> ripthejacker: cat the .desktop file to see what it runs
[09:49] <ripthejacker> wafflejock: I manually created the desktop file
[09:49] <ripthejacker> shall I pastebin?
[09:50] <ripthejacker> wafflejock: desktop-file-validate on the file gives no output
[09:50] <ljunggren> Hey guys, what happens if i run "sudo do-release-upgrade -d" in 13.10 ??
[09:51] <ripthejacker> ljunggren: No new release found
[09:51] <ljunggren> ripthejacker, it did actually
[09:51] <wafflejock> ripthejacker: ah sorry wasn't following yeah may not hurt to post the pastebin of the .desktop file
[09:51] <cfhowlett> ljunggren, nada.  No development release by that number.
[09:51] <cfhowlett> yet
[09:52] <ljunggren> well it happens alot in terminal right now
[09:52] <genii> ripthejacker: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/378783
[09:54] <ripthejacker> wafflejock: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6351896/
[09:54] <ripthejacker> genii: yes I saw that
[09:55] <ripthejacker> genii: even the gnome-open behaves the same way
[09:56] <genii> ripthejacker: Yes, currently for me xdg-open, gnome-open, kde-open, and exo-open all open them in editor
[09:56] <wafflejock> ripthejacker: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/116131256/azureus.desktop
[09:56] <ljunggren> How do i mount my second hdd with execute rights?
[09:56] <ljunggren> i want to install games on my second hdd
[09:57] <genii> ljunggren: Does it have a filesystem which supports linux ownerships and permissions?
[09:57] <wafflejock> ripthejacker: perhaps that will help, for azureus but a bug about some other issues for having it launch for magnet links
[09:57] <ljunggren> genii, i have no idea
[09:57] <ljunggren> genii, what filesystem can be used?
[09:57] <wafflejock> ljunggren: is this a blank HDD or one you're willing to blank?
[09:58] <genii> ljunggren: Preferably ext4
[09:58] <ljunggren> wafflejock, rather not.. got alot of pics and movies on it already
[09:58] <ljunggren> just wanted to add a folder for games :(
[09:58] <momchil> Hi, I'm trying to install windows 7 to dual boot it. Allocated space with gparted, formatted it with ntfs, put a /boot flag on the partition, but the windows installer says "Setup was unable to create a new system partition........" and I can't proceed. Threads about it on forums are from people who are trying to accomplish different things, so their solutions don't work for me.
[09:59] <genii> ljunggren: Please pastebin result of: sudo fdisk -l     ...and result of just: mount
[09:59] <ljunggren> filesystem is NTFS.. genii
[09:59] <wafflejock> ljunggren: NTFS doesn't support linux permissions so far as I know
[09:59] <ljunggren> hurray
[09:59] <ljunggren> !
[09:59] <wafflejock> ljunggren: you can maybe just partition part of the drive
[10:00] <cfhowlett> momchil, install windows first, then ubuntu
[10:00] <wafflejock> ljunggren: I probably wouldn't do this without backing up critical stuff first though
[10:00] <ljunggren> Well..actually i have one 20gb partition.. but i fear thats not enough for steam?
[10:00] <ripthejacker> wafflejock: It's not installed in the default folder.
[10:01] <Benkinooby> hi, i have trouble sharing my wireles to an other computer via lan. router<->wireless<->mylaptop<->lancable<->othercomputer
[10:01] <momchil> cfhowlett, I will know next time, but it's not really an option for me since I have tons of work in /home and lots of configured software installed.
[10:01] <Benkinooby> mylaptop is ubuntu. the othercomputer is a debian i want to install but wlan during install does not work
[10:02] <wafflejock> !fixboot | momchil
[10:02] <Benkinooby> so i want to do it throgh my ubuntu box
[10:02] <wafflejock> !fixgrub | momchil
[10:03] <wafflejock> momchil: ah I see having problems on the windows installer side of things though
[10:03] <momchil> wafflejock, yeah... i was just typing a response :)
[10:03] <momchil> can
[10:03] <momchil> can't see how grub will help me *
[10:03] <wafflejock> Benkinooby: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing
[10:04] <Benkinooby> wafflejock: ah yes. i followed it but faild but i think where i made a mistake. but thank you for the hint
[10:05] <wafflejock> Benkinooby: yeah have only done this in windows myself but figured the page might help
[10:05] <wafflejock> momchil: have you tried with just wiping a partition in Gparted and not formatting with NTFS within Gparted?
[10:05] <wafflejock> momchil: perhaps just letting Windows work with the empty partition
[10:06] <semajnad> Following this tutorial works very well, http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2012/03/chroot-sftp-setup/ but how could I then give the user I denied SSH access again?
[10:06] <momchil> no, haven't. Seems like a decent possibility. Will try it out now. thanks.
[10:08] <wafflejock> eh alright I'm tuckered out g'night all
[10:08] <semajnad> Can someone please check out this tutorial and tell me how I would reverse part of it to give the user ssh access after denying it? http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2012/03/chroot-sftp-setup/
[10:08] <ljunggren> how old is fglrx-updates compared to the one found on amd website? i can't tell.. fgrlx-amdcccle says 3.100 something and the website newest say something else
[10:11] <circ-user-E7BTm> Hi there.. I was wondering if anyone could help me get cuda installed on my ubuntu 12.04 ? I have tried adding the nvidia repo, and doing apt-get install cuda, but it fails for some reason.
[10:11] <hlotac> or rather, it says it succeeds. But the directory /usr/local/cuda-5.5 is not there.. (even if locate tells me it is)
[10:12] <semajnad> Is anyone able to help with that above please?
[10:18] <semajnad> Can someone here give me a hand with an problem i've got with ubuntu?
[10:18] <gordonjcp> !ask | semajnad
[10:18] <r0x> !patience
[10:19] <semajnad> Can someone please check out this tutorial and tell me how I would reverse part of it to give the user ssh access after denying it? http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2012/03/chroot-sftp-setup/
[10:19] <andry> !read-the-question gordonjcp
[10:19] <andry> :P
[10:19] <r0x> !debian
[10:19] <r0x> !archlinux
[10:19] <r0x> !MacOS
[10:19] <r0x> !Apple
[10:20] <r0x> !unitysucks
[10:20] <mautbaba> can anyone point me on how can I install matlab on ubuntu ?
[10:20] <trupheenix> can any kind soul here help me configure postfix and saslauthd? I keep getting this error: Nov  3 10:09:15 localhost postfix/smtpd[8066]: warning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: No such file or directory
[10:22] <falematte> mautbaba, You have to download the files, then there is an installer
[10:22] <mautbaba> i am thinking for the cracked version ?
[10:23] <gordonjcp> !piracy | mautbaba
[10:23] <mautbaba> oHkay, myBad
[10:24] <gordonjcp> semajnad: see in section two, it says to modify the user
[10:25] <semajnad> gordonjcp: Yes
[10:25] <gordonjcp> semajnad: where it says /sbin/nologin change it to say /bin/bash
[10:25] <semajnad> gordonjcp: Yes I've done that and set it back to /bin/bash and it still won't let me login. I'm in Putty and when it's set to nologin it just closes if you login, and when it's set to bash it still just closes.
[10:25] <gordonjcp> semajnad: I'll let you try to guess what /sbin/nologin does, when you run it
[10:26] <gordonjcp> semajnad: you might need to restart sshd
[10:26] <gordonjcp> semajnad: use vipw to verify that this user's shell is set back to /bin/bash
[10:26] <semajnad> gordonjcp: I was, I checked with grep
[10:27] <semajnad> gordonjcp: "guestuser:x:1009:1020::/home/guestuser:/bin/bash"
[10:27] <gordonjcp> semajnad: and you've got a password set for that?
[10:27] <semajnad> gordonjcp: Yes, it's just 1 at the moment
[10:27] <gordonjcp> semajnad: weird
[10:28] <semajnad> gordonjcp: I know and ive had this problem for over 36 hours haha can't work out how to get back in.
[10:28] <gordonjcp> semajnad: well you can wait until I get back from the shops so I can test it locally  ;-)
[10:28] <semajnad> gordonjcp: Ah hold on
[10:28] <semajnad> gordonjcp: Even though it won't let me login, it does let me do su guestuser
[10:28] <ZeThomas> hey, can someone help me, i installed from usb, but at the very end i got the message that the bootloader could not be installed… now my computer is almost a brick
[10:29] <semajnad> gordonjcp: If I run something under su guestuser, will that run as though guestuser ran it?
[10:29] <gordonjcp> semajnad: yes
[10:29] <gordonjcp> ZeThomas: you're trying to install to the wrong drive
[10:29] <semajnad> gordonjcp: We'll i'd appreciate a local test on that tutorial so it's not just me going crazy but that could be  temp workaround, as I only need to run something as guestuser not actually be logged in as him.
[10:29] <gordonjcp> semajnad: ooo
[10:29] <semajnad> gordonjcp: ooo?
[10:30] <gordonjcp> semajnad: try dropping guestuser out of the sftpusers group
[10:30] <semajnad> gordonjcp: How do you do that? Because deluser guestuser sftpusers says you cant remove from primary group?
[10:30] <gordonjcp> semajnad: stick them in another group for now
[10:31] <gordonjcp> semajnad: or, comment out the thing you added to sshd_config in section four
[10:31] <ZeThomas> gordonjcp: don't i get to choose the drive? my sda is where all my documents are (i mount it as /home normally), sdb is where the system should be, is there no way of accomplishing this without loosing my data?
[10:31] <semajnad> gordonjcp: I've tried that as well and it still doesn't work :P
[10:31] <gordonjcp> semajnad: restarted sshd?
[10:31] <gordonjcp> ZeThomas: and you're installing to /dev/sdb ?
[10:31] <ZeThomas> yes
[10:31] <semajnad> gordonjcp: How do you restart sshd because I've always just used service ssh restart and I've tried putting sshd in there and it says....
[10:32] <semajnad> unrecognised serivce
[10:32] <semajnad> "service sshd restart sshd: unrecognized service"
[10:32] <gordonjcp> sudo service ssh restart
[10:32] <semajnad> I'm logged in as root, but just tried that as well and it says unrecognised service
[10:33] <gordonjcp> /etc/init.d/ssh restart
[10:33] <wafflejock> !fixgrub | ZeThomas
[10:33] <semajnad> gordonjcp: ssh or sshd?
[10:33] <gordonjcp> ssh
[10:33] <semajnad> gordonjcp: okay done :)
[10:34] <gordonjcp> now try
[10:34] <ZeThomas> gordonjcp: when i was in the repartition menu it already started acting weird, it gave me two mouse cursors… and at the end, it gave me the option to choose another drive to put the bootloader on, but none worked
[10:34] <gordonjcp> ZeThomas: strange
[10:34] <semajnad> gordonjcp: Nah, just closes putty when I try to login
[10:35] <semajnad> gordonjcp: " guestuser:x:1009:1020::/home/guestuser:/bin/bash2
[10:35] <semajnad> OOPS that 2 was a "
[10:36] <semajnad> gordonjcp: Where does it say in grep what they're group is? For me it says guestuser:x: what's the x?
[10:36] <mrafiq> how to change the driction of words in LIber office
[10:37] <MonkeyDust> mrafiq  try #libreoffice or #openoffice
[10:37] <mrafiq> i want to write contents of a table from up wards to down wards positon how to do that
[10:38] <mrafiq>  im im using liber office
[10:40] <ZeThomas> wafflejock: i'm running boot-repair, and it tells me that it's set to boot in legacy mode, and to reboot in efi mode… however, when i do that, my system boots in windows (holding shift doesn't change anything)
[10:41] <ZeThomas> wafflejock: paste.ubuntu.com/6352064
[10:42] <n008> Hi, I am using  Alienware TactX ™ Keyboard, anyone have an idea what to donwload to change the lights?
[10:43] <wafflejock> ZeThomas: sorry not very familiar with EFI issues and a bit too tired to think straight
[10:43] <n008> http://www.dell.com/support/drivers/us/en/19/driverdetails?driverid=5K3FM this is the driver for windows
[10:44] <ZeThomas> wafflejock: no prob; gordonjcp, can you understand this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6352064
[10:47] <MonkeyDust> n008  Linux is not in the drop down list http://support.alienware.com/Support_Pages/Restricted_Pages/driver_downloads.aspx
[10:49] <pedrocr> I have a folder that has too many files in it that ls seems to block forever without any output
[10:50] <pedrocr> anyone know how to get around this?
[10:50] <MonkeyDust> pedrocr  even in a terminal, with ls ?
[10:50] <pedrocr> MonkeyDust, yep
[10:51] <pedrocr> MonkeyDust, I was running motion to store events from cameras and it wrote way too many jpg files into the same directory, I should have saved them to something like "%Y/%M/%d/%file"
[10:51] <ZeThomas> hey, i try to boot from live cd, but after the splash, all i get is a black screen. i can C-A-F1 to tty1 allright. nomodeset is added.
[10:52] <MonkeyDust> pedrocr  what's motion?
[10:52] <pedrocr> MonkeyDust, motion detection for surveilance cameras, like zoneminder
[10:57] <hlotac> are there any out of the box prereqs for doing the *.deb installation of CUDA from the nvidia developer site? Or should it take care of itself?
[10:59] <ljunggren> i decided to try to install gpu drivers from amd website.. to i need to uninstall the one already installed? fgrlx-updates and fgrlx-amdccle before doing so?
[11:02] <ljunggren> im following this guide:" http://linuxg.net/catalyst/#comment-94577 " do i need to remove currently installed fgrlx-updates before doing it?
[11:04] <momchil> wafflejock, that didn't work, but I found the problem - the windows installer freaks out if there are more than 4 partitions. I have sda1 for ubuntu and sda2 is split into 3 more - sda5 - swap, sda6 - /home and sda7 - the space for windows. And there is 1 MB sda3 (probably alignment issue).
[11:04] <momchil> any idea how this can be fixed?
[11:05] <MonkeyDust> momchil  use !pastebin to show us that, please
[11:07] <hack72_> hola
[11:07] <momchil> uhm, MonkeyDust idk what you mean by that? The partition table? Or the error that the windows installer gives me?
[11:08] <hack72_> !list
[11:08] <MonkeyDust> momchil  the windows installer? better ask in ##windows, then, I guess
[11:09] <belgianguy> is there a way to see when the 3.12 kernel will be in Ubuntu?
[11:09] <momchil> MonkeyDust, thanks for the tip!
[11:09] <guest-EgyeEU> hey guy
[11:09] <lotuspsychje> !es | hack72_
[11:09] <guest-EgyeEU> i Need some help please
[11:09] <HitsujiTMO> belgianguy 3.12 is not even finished yet
[11:10] <lotuspsychje> !ask | guest-EgyeEU
[11:10] <belgianguy> HitsujiTMO: read on some forum that some are already using it, I guess they are using release candidates then
[11:10] <rymate1234> my wireless on ubuntu keeps dropping and then coming back up a couple seconds later
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> rymate1234: ubuntu version and wifi chipset plz?
[11:11] <belgianguy> HisaoNakai: it's just that I was looking into the radeon.dpm=1 thing, but it's still unclear to me
[11:11] <rymate1234> ubuntu 13.10
[11:11] <rymate1234> it's an rtl8192cu
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> rymate1234: did you upgrade or clean install 13.10?
[11:12] <guest-EgyeEU> im using anonymous for the first time but i cant access to some option bcz im login like a guest i need to know how to get an account plz
[11:12] <rymate1234> lotuspsychje, clean install
[11:12] <rymate1234> well it's not brand new
[11:12] <rymate1234> but it was a fresh installation
[11:12] <rymate1234> no upgrading
[11:12] <lotuspsychje> rymate1234: did your wifi card work on previous ubuntu version?
[11:12] <HitsujiTMO> belgianguy, yes, it's still on RC phase. If we're lucky we'll see it in 14.04, other wise we'll just have to wait for 14.10
[11:12] <rymate1234> I'm using this driver https://github.com/pvaret/rtl8192cu-fixes as the kernel driver didn't work at all
[11:13] <cuddylier> Hi
[11:13] <rymate1234> lotuspsychje, not really, I had to install a driver and blacklist the built in kernel driver
[11:13] <belgianguy> HitsujiTMO: hmm, yeah, I guess some can install it from outside of the PPA, but then I'll just wait for it to appear in the PPA
[11:13] <lotuspsychje> rymate1234: anything usefull in /var/log/syslog.1 as wifi errors?
[11:13] <cuddylier> Is it possible to auto refresh a website via ssh but not actually see the web page?
[11:14] <ikonia> refresuh a website by ssh ?
[11:14] <cuddylier> Yes
[11:14] <gordonjcp> cuddylier: what exactly are you trying to d?
[11:14] <gordonjcp> *do?
[11:14] <ikonia> you use a browser of some sort to see a web page, where does ssh come into it?
[11:14] <HitsujiTMO> cuddylier, you're question makes no sense
[11:14] <cuddylier> I have a remote script that runs whenever someone loads the we page
[11:14] <belgianguy> HitsujiTMO: but is there any good documentation on the radeon.dpm kernel parameter ? This should presumably also work in 3.11
[11:14] <lotuspsychje> maybe he means ssl
[11:14] <belgianguy> but I can't see any data and it still overheats IMO
[11:15] <cuddylier> So I need to load the web page on my server box and auto refresh it so it runs e.g. Every minute.
[11:15] <rymate1234> lotuspsychje, what am I looking for?
[11:15] <barkofink> hi can't access samba server from android
[11:15] <barkofink> [12:12] <barkofink> bsplayer lan for instance
[11:15] <guest-EgyeEU> how could i get an account?
[11:15] <cuddylier> Whenever the page is loaded an email import is ran
[11:15] <lotuspsychje> rymate1234: maybe pastebin the whole syslog.1
[11:15] <HitsujiTMO> belgianguy: afaik, thats part of the gpu additions in 3.12
[11:15] <ikonia> cuddylier: you could use something like wget or curl to make a http request to your server for the page
[11:15] <barkofink> hi can't access samba server from android
[11:15] <cuddylier> ikonia would wget not just download the web page file?
[11:16] <rymate1234> lotuspsychje, but it's huge
[11:16] <belgianguy> HitsujiTMO: ah, good to know, I'll try to look for a 3.12 changelog then
[11:16] <ikonia> cuddylier: yeah, just download it to /tmp and delete it
[11:16] <barkofink> can see folders but access deny
[11:16] <ikonia> cuddylier: or to /dev/null
[11:16] <lotuspsychje> !paste | rymate1234
[11:16] <barkofink> with bsplayer for instance
[11:17] <rymate1234> lotuspsychje, no, i mean it's massive
[11:17] <gordonjcp> cuddylier: what are you trying to do?  What exactly is the problem you are trying to solve?
[11:17] <rymate1234> i know about pastebin
[11:17] <lotuspsychje> rymate1234: i know, they mostly are :p
[11:17] <Greylocks> guest-EgyeEU: see https://www.freenode.net
[11:18] <lotuspsychje> rymate1234: but as your default driver doesnt work, we need to find other clues
[11:18] <cuddylier> gordonjcp I want to load a webpage fully via ssh, as soon as this webpage is loaded it is running a script from the web server the website is hosted on.
 imma check that
[11:19] <cuddylier> I'm having issues running the script using the php command on the server box but the script works perfectly from a web browser
[11:19] <cuddylier> and when the webpage is loaded it runs an email import into whmcs
[11:19] <cuddylier> http://billing.spartanhost.net/pipe/pop.php
[11:19] <cuddylier> Click that and leave it to load for a few secs and you'll see what I mean
[11:20] <nginx-happy> What is the command to show all groups in my system?
[11:20] <gordonjcp> cuddylier: when you say "load", what exactly do you mean?  Load onto what?
[11:21] <rymate1234> o.o
[11:21] <rymate1234> i thinik i fixed it
[11:21] <lotuspsychje> rymate1234: what did you do?
[11:21] <rymate1234> unplugged the adaptor and put it in again
[11:21] <rymate1234> xD
[11:21] <HitsujiTMO> cuddylier: if you want to trigger the php script in such a fashion, just add a cron to wget the page as everyone has suggested
[11:21] <lotuspsychje> !yay | rymate1234
[11:21] <MonkeyDust> nginx-happy  'groups' (without the quotes)
[11:22] <mrafiq_> HOW TO MAKE BOOT ABLE IMAGE FROM A DVD DISK
[11:22] <ikonia> please don't use caps
[11:22] <lotuspsychje> !caps | mrafiq_
[11:23] <ikonia> just ask the question clearly, explaining what you've done / what's not working
[11:23] <HitsujiTMO> !usb | mrafiq_
[11:23] <barkofink>  hi can't access samba server from android
[11:23] <barkofink>  hi can't access samba server from android
[11:23] <semajnad> gordonjcp: Mind if I send you what I've done and can you take a look at it?
[11:23] <ubuntu> witam
[11:23] <ikonia> barkofink: please don't spam the channel
[11:23] <HitsujiTMO> !patience | barkofink
[11:23] <lotuspsychje> !pl | ubuntu
[11:23] <lotuspsychje> barkofink: do you even use ubuntu?
[11:25] <guest-EgyeEU> it does not give me what im lookin for
[11:25] <ikonia> guest-EgyeEU: what do you actually want ?
[11:25] <barkofink> lotuspsychje:no i'm on mageia but samba should be same protocol sharing
[11:25] <ikonia> barkofink: ok, so this channel is not the channel you need for support
[11:26] <barkofink> iconia:why don't you shut up and get a life?
[11:26]  * lotuspsychje hides
[11:26] <ikonia> barkofink: there is no need for that,
[11:26] <ikonia> barkofink: http://www.mageia.org/en/support/ that shows the support resources you should use
[11:26] <myordo> r
[11:27] <myordo> есть русские ?
[11:27] <lotuspsychje> !ru | myordo
[11:28] <nginx-happy> What is the command to show all groups in my system?
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> nginx-happy: someone already showed you, scroll up
[11:28] <ikonia> nginx-happy: quick check is to look in the groups gui, or just cat /etc/group
[11:28] <guest-EgyeEU> Ikonia im using anonymous for the first time i can not login like an user but just like a guest. then i wanna create an account.
[11:29] <MonkeyDust> barkofink  type /join #mageia   <-- some 100 people there
[11:29] <ikonia> guest-EgyeEU: anonymous on ubuntu, or do you mean anonymous freenode account ?
[11:29] <hlotac> Can anyone take a look at this? I am struggling with apt-get and some nvidia cuda stuff, it just wont install the packages i need: http://pastebin.com/pd4qW8mV
[11:29] <nginx-happy> THANKS
[11:29] <guest-EgyeEU> Ikonia anonymous account
[11:30] <ikonia> guest-EgyeEU: anonymous on what ? your operting system, this IRC chat session ?
[11:30] <guest-EgyeEU> on my operating system
[11:30] <semajnad> Is it not normal then to chroot someone to their home directory? is that why I'm having problems?
[11:31] <ikonia> guest-EgyeEU: ok, so you're using what version of ubuntu
[11:31] <ikonia> semajnad: it's certainly not the norm for day to day operations, it's quite pointless on most occasions
[11:31] <nginx-happy> where could i find out what number represent -rw-r--r-- ? and vice versa?
[11:31] <ikonia> nginx-happy: just google chmod or man chmod
[11:31] <guest-EgyeEU> anonymous-os
[11:32] <ikonia> guest-EgyeEU: ok, so this channel only supports ubuntu, not anonymous-OS, so we can't help you in here
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> !chroot | semajnad
[11:32] <HitsujiTMO> nginx-happy: http://www.linux.org/threads/file-permissions-chmod.4094/ google is your friend
[11:33] <guest-EgyeEU> what about freenode?
[11:33] <ikonia> guest-EgyeEU: what about freenode ?
[11:33] <arsdragonfly> nginx-happy ,r-4,w-2,x-1
[11:33] <nginx-happy> HitsujiTMO, yes sir and see what i found http://codepen.io/loraxx753/details/nBaAf
[11:33] <guest-EgyeEU> yeah/ i wanna know some think abt it
[11:34] <ikonia> guest-EgyeEU: I'd suggest looking on their website for the support information / where to ask questions
[11:34] <semajnad> ikonia: I created a user called net001 and a group called thenetwork, net001 I used "useradd -g thenetwork -d /home/thenetwork/net001 -s /sbin/nologin net001" and then create "mkdir /home/thenetwork" and "/home/thenetwork/net001" finaly in ssh_config I added http://pastie.org/8452053 that to the bottom and restarting shh with "service ssh restart". However when I loginto FTP it won't connect me. Do you know if I'm doing something wr
[11:34] <mrafiq_> in disk creator the button  of make startup disk is not highlighted although i have selected the usb and image
[11:34] <HitsujiTMO> guest-EgyeEU, then maybe try #freenode
[11:34] <guest-EgyeEU> ok im gonna check it
[11:34] <hlotac> *hairrip*
[11:34] <ikonia> semajnad: you've got nologin shell set
[11:34] <MonkeyDust> guest-EgyeEU  anonymous-os is no longer maintained, no longer exists, is what i find here
[11:34] <ikonia> semajnad: hence why you can't login
[11:34] <semajnad> ikonia: Sorry I meant login to FTP
[11:35] <semajnad> ikonia: Won't let me login to FTP
[11:35] <ikonia> semajnad: yes, you still have a nologin shell
[11:35] <guest-EgyeEU> okay
[11:36] <lotuspsychje> mrafiq_: did you format the usb?
[11:36] <semajnad> ikonia: Oh, so if I still want them to login to FTP should I use /bin/false instead?
[11:36] <guest-EgyeEU> it is seemed like backtrack is better than anonymous-os/
[11:36] <guest-EgyeEU> lol
[11:36] <ikonia> semajnad: change it to say /bin/bash for a test, then work out the process
[11:36] <ikonia> guest-EgyeEU: backtrack is also dead and unmaintained
[11:37] <cuddylier> What's the best way to download to /dev/null? When I try to CD to the directory it doesn't exist.
[11:37] <cuddylier> Using the wget command
[11:37] <ikonia> cuddylier: it's a special file
[11:37] <guest-EgyeEU> so what is the better right now?? ikonia
[11:37] <ikonia> cuddylier: I'd suggest looking at "man wget"
[11:37] <ikonia> cuddylier: look for the output option
[11:37] <ikonia> cuddylier: try to check the basics of the commands you want to use before asking "how do I...."
[11:37] <HitsujiTMO> cuddylier, wget -O /dev/null http://www.example.com/url
[11:37] <semajnad> ikonia:  It doesn't seem to like it that I've chrooted them to /home/thenetwork/net001 even though chrooting them to /home/thenetwork works :/
[11:38] <ikonia> semajnad: so your problem is a subdirectory, as opposed to the actual chroot
[11:39] <ikonia> semajnad: if you're trying to use ftp, why are you making changes to ssh_config - which is the ssh client config
[11:39] <semajnad> ikonia: Because that's what chroots them in FTP?
[11:39] <ikonia> semajnad: ssh_config is for the ssh client
[11:39] <ikonia> semajnad: it's nothing to do with ftp
[11:39] <semajnad> ikonia: Yes but it works for FTP :/
[11:39] <guest-EgyeEU> cuddylier www.filecrop.com
[11:39] <semajnad> ikonia: So when I log into FTP i'm locked in my home directory
[11:40] <ikonia> semajnad: no, I'm sorry, it doesn't, ssh_config is for for ssh clients, you're either mistaken or don't really understand what you are changing
[11:40] <HitsujiTMO> semajnad, are you thinking of sftp?
[11:40] <semajnad> ikonia: I've ran through the steps perfectly, and it does lock them into their home directory in FTP. Hold on.
[11:40] <semajnad> HitsujiTMO: Damn yes HitsujiTMO  thanks
[11:40] <ikonia> semajnad: it really doesn't
[11:40] <semajnad> HitsujiTMO: I always forget that difference.
[11:40] <HitsujiTMO> semajnad, ftp != sftp :P
[11:41] <eer> When opening a new tab in Firefox for example , will the information about that weg page be stored in the memory of the graphics card or the memory installed on the mainboard?
[11:41] <semajnad> HitsujiTMO: I just can't work out why it's not letting me log-into SFTP once I've chrooted them to /home/thenetwork/net001
[11:41] <ikonia> semajnad: even so, again ssh_config is for your local client, not the server, so ssh_config should not make any difference, sshd_config, for sftp yes
[11:41] <cuddylier> Is -o the option for the wget command to specify the output directory? I just read through the manual for wget and it's not extremely clear
[11:42] <semajnad> ikonia: YES I'm using sshd_config, sorry I'm quite new to this ;)
[11:42] <cuddylier> So wget -o /dev/null http://billing.spartanhost.net/pipe/pop.php
[11:42] <ikonia> semajnad: you need to be MUCH more clear and specific
[11:42] <ikonia> cuddylier: no, please try to pay attention -O
[11:42] <semajnad> ikonia: I thought I was being :P Thanks for the help. So do you know why this wouldn't be working?
[11:42] <cuddylier> ikonia you mean a capital O?
[11:42] <ikonia> semajnad: I've no idea as you're asking a totally different question to the question you did 60 seconds ago
[11:42] <guest-EgyeEU> Ikonia: what is better sys according to u?
[11:43] <semajnad> ikonia: Okay, let me get this down and pastie it to you, if you don't mind.
[11:43] <ikonia> guest-EgyeEU: I'd suggest trying in ##linux
[11:43] <ikonia> semajnad: just ask the channel clearly, not me
[11:43] <HitsujiTMO> !ot | guest-EgyeEU this is a support channel, not a chat channel
[11:44] <philinux> Time and date keeps disappearing in 13.10 - setsid unity gets it back. Any fix yet
[11:45] <alpharender_> really? eww thats a terrible bug
[11:45] <lffl>  HexChat: 2.9.6 ** OS: Linux 3.11.6-031106-generic x86_64 ** Distro: Debian wheezy/sid ** CPU: 2 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-4130 CPU @ 3.40GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 3,39GHz ** RAM: Physical: 994,0MB, 60,8% free ** Disk: Total: 6,8GB, 13,4% free ** VGA: InnoTek Systemberatung GmbH VirtualBox Graphics Adapter ** Sound: ICH - Intel 82801AA-ICH ** Ethernet: Intel Corporation 82540EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller ** Uptime: 7m 2s **
[11:45] <ikonia> lffl: please don't paste that sort of thing, we don't need to see you system spec, and it's not really relevant to a support channel
[11:45] <alpharender_> incorrect time is computing hell
[11:45] <guest-EgyeEU> hey guy thanks
[11:46] <philinux> alpharender_: ah found this now was using wrong google foo. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-datetime/+bug/1239710
[11:48] <lotia> hi all. is there a way to specify ppas for different distros when using pbuilder-dist?
[11:48] <eer>  When opening a new tab in Firefox for example , will the information about that weg page be stored in the memory of the graphics card or the memory installed on the mainboard?
[11:48] <ikonia> lotia: PPA's are distro specific by default, not sure what you mean
[11:53] <semajnad> Okay, this is exactly what I've done and an explanation of what isn't going right. If someone can take a look I'd be very grateful http://pastie.org/8452074
[11:55] <hkan> hello, i have a quick question
[11:55] <hkan> where can i find out the infos like 'hd(0, 5)'
[11:55] <MonkeyDust> hkan  then hope thre answer is quick also, shoot!
[11:56] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:56] <hkan> I plugged in my external hdd and I need to find what it's number
[11:57] <hkan> must be something like hd(1,0) but im not sure
[11:57] <hkan> MonkeyDust ?
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: hello mate
[11:58] <BluesKaj> hkan. sudo fdisk -l , or mount in the terminal
[11:58] <BluesKaj> hey lotuspsychje
[11:58] <hkan> yess fdisk it is. thanks a lot BluesKaj
[11:59] <BluesKaj> hkan. yw
[11:59] <lotuspsychje> i've just install wobbly windows on 13.04 with compiz-plugins-extra and works smooth after reboot
[12:00] <lotuspsychje> just letting you guys know
[12:01] <Benkinooby> hi, is there a way to see my wireless passord. i have stored it on my computer but can't remeber it to give it to a friend
[12:01] <shankara> hi,  Silverghost
[12:01] <lotuspsychje> Benkinooby: in http://192.168.1.1
[12:02] <cuddylier> I did the command and now my root login doesn't work hmm
[12:02] <cuddylier> But services are still working fine
[12:02] <eer>  When opening a new tab in Firefox for example , will the information about that web page be stored in the memory of the graphics card or the memory installed on the mainboard?
[12:02] <lotuspsychje> eer: are you on ubuntu?
[12:03] <eer> lotuspsychje, yes, of course
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> eer: maybe the #firefox guys might know it?
[12:03] <eer> lotuspsychje, thx
[12:03] <eer> join #firefox
[12:03] <hkan> OK this is more complicated than I thought, for example: sda1 is (hd0,1) and sdb5 is (hd1, 5), I use a SD card, and it's name is not sdaX but it's mmcblk0p4, what now? :/
[12:04] <Benkinooby> lotuspsychje: got it, thnk. i can use "show passowrd" in the setting menu of the connction
[12:04] <ikonia> hkan: normally hd0,0 is sda1
[12:04] <yeyeman> please tell me there's a way to make geany caret stop blinking
[12:04] <hkan> ikonia: ok but that's not what i concern about
[12:05] <ikonia> hkan: hd is just a disk reference the sd card is just a disk
[12:05] <hkan> I'm trying to create an grub2 ISOBOOT record on grub.cfg
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> yeyeman: geany?
[12:05] <hkan> I placed my iso file on my SD card
[12:06] <ikonia> hkan: there is a good chance grub will not see the card
[12:06] <cuddylier> wget --directory-prefix=dev/null billing.spartanhost.net/pipe/pop.php
[12:06] <cuddylier> Is that good?
[12:06] <yeyeman> lotuspsychje: yeah geany
[12:06] <HitsujiTMO> hkan: boot to the grub prompt and type: ls       it will list all devices and their grub names
[12:06] <semajnad> Okay, here's my question. I have CHROOTED a user to a directory and locked their SSH access with /bin/false. However when I try to reverse it and let them have SSH access again, it won't let me back in. Here are the steps I've taken http://pastie.org/8452089#7
[12:06] <shankara> I have been using ubuntu 12.04.3 on Atom processor from past 1 and half year. Now i am facing a peculiar problem. It works fine when I log in, but, after some time when ever a new dailogue box appears it appears white and blank without any text. At that time I can not open any application. I can only use the opened application.
[12:06] <hkan> OK will try, thanks
[12:06] <ikonia> cuddylier: why are you not using -O as you where advised, as you've ben told twice, /dev/null is not a directory
[12:07] <shankara> Can any one please help?
[12:07] <cuddylier> Ah, I get it now
[12:07] <cuddylier> wget -O dev/null billing.spartanhost.net/pipe/pop.php
[12:07] <cuddylier> That yeah?
[12:07] <phoenix101> using ubuntu on samsung n150plus netbook laptop, wants to change resolution other than 800x600
[12:08] <ikonia> cuddylier: it's pointless trying to explain this again as you are not paying attention and not paying attention the minor details
[12:08] <HitsujiTMO> cuddlier: wget -O /dev/null http://billing.spartanhost.net/pipe/pop.php
[12:08] <HitsujiTMO> cuddylier, dev/null != /dev/null
[12:08] <cuddylier> HitsujiTMO I see my mistake now, thanks
[12:09] <alpharender_> semajnad,  no real good answer why, if you restart sshd after altering the shell does it work? That is ... sshd does not like you playing with the users file maybe? Are you able to utilize usermod -l  or -u  for lock and unlock?
[12:10] <semajnad> alpharender_: What does -l or -u do? That sound promising, let me search
[12:10] <shankara> I have a problem in my system, can anyone help me please
[12:10] <semajnad> alpharender_: With that not also lock the SFTP access?
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> phoenix101: your default install resolution is 800x600?
[12:11] <semajnad> alpharender_:  and everyone keeps saying restart sshd but I can only seem to restart ssh with service ssh restart, service sshd restart says unrecognised service
[12:12] <shankara> I have been using ubuntu 12.04.3 on Atom processor from past 1 and half year. Now i am facing a peculiar problem. It works fine when I log in, but, after some time when ever a new dailogue box appears it appears white and blank without any text. At that time I can not open any application. I can only use the opened application.
[12:12] <ikonia> the ssh service is the sshd daemon
[12:13] <ljunggren> ok i have gotten a perfect ubuntu install with drivers (even AMD) and all.. i just want two things now: Automount a partition on boot and Autostart Ubuntu on boot, somehow it gets me to grub auto now with 8sec timeout.. i want ubuntu direct
[12:13] <ljunggren> how
[12:13] <semajnad> ikonia: Ah so that's all I have to restart.
[12:14] <shankara> Hi, radu_, , are you the one who made a script for installing LBP2900 driver script?
[12:14] <semajnad> ikonia: So why won't it let me back into ssh after I've ucommented the CHROOT lines AND given them back bash shell.
[12:14] <ikonia> semajnad: what do you mean, why won't it let you back in,
[12:15] <radu_> shankara no
[12:16] <semajnad> ikonia: Once I've got CHROOT working perfecty at line 34, I then give them back SSH access andI can get in, however then I lock them down again and open it back up and i'm still locked out.
[12:16] <shankara> radu: ok. sorry.
[12:16] <ikonia> semajnad: what do you mean by "locked out",
[12:16] <ikonia> semajnad: explain the actual failure
[12:16] <shankara> radu: I am having a pecular problem in display can you kindly help?
[12:16] <HitsujiTMO> ljunggren, read up on fstab ... you need to put info of the partition you want to mount in there. you need to edit the grub config (/etc/default/grub) and update-grub to change the timers.
[12:17] <ljunggren> HitsujiTMO,  ok thanks
[12:18] <semajnad> ikonia: If you don't mind reading the last 3 lines on http://pastie.org/8452116 I think that explains my issue, otherwise I might get it mixed up and just confuse everyone
[12:19] <ikonia> semajnad: ForceCommand internal-sftp......
[12:20] <semajnad> ikonia: But I've commented out those lines at this point and I still can't log into SSH
[12:20] <ikonia> semajnad: according your pastebin, you've uncommented them, not commented them out
[12:20] <ikonia> semajnad: look in the ssh auth log and see what it's complaining about
[12:20] <semajnad> "#Commented back in those lines in sshd_config as before and I'm still getting Access Denied in SSH? How do I get in?" sorry that's where it says I comment them back in
[12:21] <semajnad> ikonia:  Okay, two seconds.
[12:24] <semajnad> ikonia: http://pastie.org/8452121
[12:25] <ikonia> semajnad: come on - I'm asking you to look at it, not just paste me everything
[12:26] <ikonia> semajnad: restart sshd, tail the log, connect with ssh, watch the error, connect with sftp, watch the error/sucess, comapre
[12:26] <ikonia> compare
[12:28] <semajnad> ikonia: Sorry I'm very new to this. Let me try that.
[12:29] <semajnad> ikonia: That's strange, I trailed the log, then restarted ssh and I can now get back in :/
[12:29] <semajnad> tailed*
[12:30] <ikonia> semajnad: yes, because you didn't restart the service after you re-commented those lines
[12:30] <noface17> hi
[12:31] <semajnad> ikonia: But I did :/ let me try replicating that.
[12:31] <ikonia> semajnad: I don't believe you did looking at your patebin
[12:31] <ikonia> semajnad: and that's backed up by the fact that after you've restarted it, it's working
[12:31] <semajnad> At the bottom line 76 I said commented back in the lines
[12:32] <ikonia> semajnad: yes, and then didn't restart it
[12:32] <semajnad> ikonia: Damn, your right :/
[12:32] <lotia> ikonia: thanks for the response. I mean within the config for pbuilder and pbuilder-dist, how do I specify them in a distro specific way.
[12:33] <ikonia> semajnad: this isn't meant rude, but you are going to get no-where and just waste peoples time with level of detail, you're not giving accurate information, you're not paying attention to the important small things
[12:33] <ikonia> lotia: apologies, I don't know what pbuilder is
[12:33] <semajnad> ikonia: No I understand. I'm new to linux and am still trying to learn that the smallest details can make a big difference.
[12:34] <semajnad> ikonia:  Not really an excuse but I'll get there. Thanks a lot for your time and help.
[12:34] <ikonia> semajnad: I appreciate you are new, but being able to type the correct file name you are editing, or the correct service you are using, or remember to stop/start a service after you've been told to, isn't anything to do with being new, it's just lack of attention
[12:34] <vishnu_> How to configure alps touchpad in ubuntu
[12:35] <semajnad> ikonia: Ye it is. I'm being careless because I'm getting impatient, which is worst thing I can do because It'll just take longer.
[12:35] <vishnu_> How can I configure my touchpad in linux
[12:36] <MonkeyDust> vishnu_  is this useful https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[12:36] <vishnu_> MonkeyDust: THank you so much
[12:48] <phoenix101> lotuspsychje: yes, and I donot have any other resolution options available in display manager
[12:48] <Ubuntivity> Hello
[12:50] <Ubuntivity> I need to change the 'compression' attribute of a file in an NTFS partition, how can I do that?
[12:50] <robford> Hi all, can anyone help?! Just installed XUBUNTU 13.10 and it's set my screen resolution to 1024x768 yet this monitor can handle higher. Is there a way to overide this to get the correct res?
[12:53] <Ubuntivity> robford: are there any restricted drivers available for your video card?
[12:54] <snql> hi
[12:54] <robford> No, its intel graphics
[12:54] <robford> Just looking here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[12:55] <minimec> robford: Check #24 of this forum thread. That is the thing you could try. In the 'xrandr --addmode ...' at the end you would have to replace 'DVI-0' with output port. You can check your ports with 'xrandr'. https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=164385
[12:55] <Ubuntivity> Execuse me, How can I change the 'compressed' attribute in an NTFS partition?
[12:56] <robford> Thank you :)
[12:56] <bekks> Ubuntivity: Boot Windows, uncompress the files.
[12:56] <Ubuntivity> bekks: I need to uncompress them in Linux because I can't boot windows "BOOTMGR is compressed" :/
[12:57] <bekks> Ubuntivity: You need to boot a Windows CD and reapir the boot files.
[12:58] <talkletstalk> Hey guys
[12:58] <talkletstalk> Can I troll here????
[12:58] <David_> anyone figure out how to install ubuntu since the 3.10 update with amd drivers?  I put hte cd in and say "install" in GRUB, but all I get in return is a screen with corrupt graphics that I can't see anything in
[12:58] <Ubuntivity> It is actually not my PC, a friend has this problem on it. I can't boot from CD since the CD drive seems faulty!
[12:58] <ikonia> talkletstalk: clear and only answer/warning "no" - the channel is for ubuntu support only
[12:59] <giwrgaras> hi i reeinstalled my windows 8 and i cannot access my ubuntu now!
[12:59] <giwrgaras> any ideas?
[12:59] <bekks> !grub2 | giwrgaras
[12:59] <talkletstalk> ikonia Ok!!!!
[13:01] <giwrgaras> i had ubuntu 13.04 and i updated to .10. i have only the .04 dvd will the repair work?
[13:01] <David_> why not just download the 3.10 iso?
[13:02] <giwrgaras> more burning and dvds if i can avoid that why not
[13:02] <David_> is anyone able to help me do a brand new install of ubuntu 3.10 using amd drivers?  the gfx is corrupt when I load it by cd and I can't install because of it
[13:02] <yeats> giwrgaras: it shouldn't matter for grub repair
[13:02] <giwrgaras> gr8
[13:03] <giwrgaras> so my ubuntu is still there its just that windows deleted or did something to grub
[13:04] <yeats> giwrgaras: as long as you didn't overwrite it during the windows install, yeah
[13:07] <giwrgaras> is there any way to see if it is somewhere? before i do anythig
[13:07] <giwrgaras> anything*
[13:08] <marlo> i've set up public key log-in to my ubuntu server, and now i can log in automatically with ssh user@host without entering a password, but the home directory is encrypted
[13:08] <bekks> giwrgaras: sudo fdisk -l
[13:09] <giwrgaras> im on windows now lol
[13:09] <bekks> giwrgaras: you need a live cd...
[13:10] <giwrgaras> i had the ubuntu to dll a new windows edition and the windows deleted my ubuntu or something
[13:10] <Ubuntivity> So.. no way to change the compression of NTFS partition??
[13:10] <bekks> marlo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedHome
[13:11] <bekks> giwrgaras: "or something". Boot a linux live cd, and furst check where your ubuntu is installed. You cant do anything to repair it using windows.
[13:11] <marlo> bekks, thanks
[13:11] <manolitos> hello guys
[13:11] <manolitos> can anyone help me use an usb tv tuner to my ubuntu 13.10?
[13:12] <bekks> !details | manolitos
[13:12] <williangliao> can anyone help me with the amd display driver
[13:13] <bekks> !anyone | williangliao
[13:13] <chro> I'm using "Welcome to Ubuntu 12.04.3 LTS (GNU/Linux 3.2.0-35-generic x86_64)". But when I do "$ sudo do-release-upgrade" it says "No new release found". Why ?
[13:13] <lars_> Could I ask a question about my connection to the Ubuntu server?
[13:13] <bekks> chro: there is now new lts release until now.
[13:13] <manolitos> i  have ubuntu 13.10 and i want to watch dvb tv (Greece) and i dont know how to "install" the usb tv tuner
[13:13] <chro> bekks what is LTS?
[13:13] <bekks> *no new
[13:13] <MonkeyDust> chro  i guess because it searches for the next LTS, but that isnt ready yet
[13:13] <bekks> !lts | chro
[13:13] <williangliao> when i install the display drivers , it goes blackscreen......
[13:14] <marlo> bekks, how would i rsync to this machine using public-key login, then?  will i not have the same issue as ssh ?
[13:14] <chro> but can I use the latest kernel with this LTS ?
[13:15] <bekks> marlo: I never dealt with encrypted homes.
[13:15] <bekks> chro: why do you need that?
[13:15] <David_> how do you fix the graphics corruption of 3.10 when installing ubuntu, or am I stuck with LTS?
[13:15] <marlo> bekks, yea.... i'm starting to regret it myself
[13:15] <dreamy_> !oldware
[13:15] <chro> bekks, because it's the requirement of a framework I'm using
[13:15] <lars_> I'm using Kubuntu 12.04, and when I was booting up, I accidentally clicked on Restart X Server.  Is this going to cause problems for me?  I already noticed sth weird happened when I tried to use a photography program.  It looks like my server got changed.
[13:15] <bekks> !eolupgrade|dreamy_
[13:17] <bekks> williangliao: Keep it in the channel please.
[13:19] <manolitos> anyone know about dvb tv?
[13:19] <bekks> !anyone | manolitos
[13:19] <bekks> marlo: Which DVBT chipset do you have, what did you do to use it, etc.?
[13:20] <bekks> marlo: that was for manolitos, sorry.
[13:20] <williangliao> bekks: how to install amd display driver, when i install it ,it says OKMS part of installation failed,
[13:20] <manolitos> bekks could you please help me? i want to watch tv with my tv tuner and i dont know how to install it
[13:20] <bekks> manolitos: Then answer the questions please.
[13:21] <moonracker_> anyone got tips for playing dvd films in ubuntu?
[13:21] <manolitos> what questions?
[13:21] <MonkeyDust> moonracker_  you mean titles?
[13:21] <bekks> williangliao: I never had and never will use AMD graphics. Which ubuntu are you on, which package exactly are you trying to install, whats the full error message? Pastebin that information please and provide the URL.
[13:22] <semajnad> ikonia: All working now, so basically to save time and the risk of making a mistake, I'll just set their shell to bash when I need to use their account and su into it instead of commenting that file
[13:22] <bekks> manolitos: Which DVBT chipset do you have, what did you do to use it, etc.?
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[13:23] <manolitos> i dont know what dvbt chpset i have. it's usb
[13:23] <manolitos> how can i see it?
[13:23] <MonkeyDust> moonracker_  this is the ubuntu support channel, better ask somewhere else
[13:23] <bekks> manolitos: then you have to find that out first.
[13:23] <manolitos> what to write to terminal in order to find it ou?
[13:23] <manolitos> t
[13:23] <moonracker_> cheers...newbie at this...ta
[13:23] <manolitos> yes i am a little bit newbie :P
[13:24] <bekks> manolitos: lsusb
[13:24] <bekks> !dvbt | manolitos
[13:24] <bekks> hmm.
[13:24] <Viccieb> Hi,
[13:25] <bekks> !paste | manolitos
[13:26] <bekks> manolitos: And keep it in the channel, dont paste it in a query again.
[13:26] <manolitos> 1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 Bus 002 Device 006: ID 03f0:c302 Hewlett-Packard DeskJet D2300 Bus 002 Device 005: ID 05e3:0608 Genesys Logic, Inc. USB-2.0 4-Port HUB Bus 002 Device 004: ID 1a1d:c001 Veho  Bus 002 Device 003: ID 058f:6254 Alcor Micro Corp. USB Hub Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 001 Device 00
[13:26] <Viccieb> I've been using 13.10 for a while now (been upgrading it form 13.04). I had too many freezes, so I went back to the latest LTS. I backuped all my relevant data (including evolution) but now when I'm back on 12.04 (I've installed evolution) my backup won't restore... How do I install a newer version of Evolution???
[13:26] <manolitos> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6352768/
[13:26] <manolitos> this is
[13:26] <manolitos> i think
[13:26] <martinuni> I was addicted to watching pornography for 10 years.
[13:26] <martinuni> If you want to know how i won the fight simply write me a short line now: anonymouswriter7@hushmail.com
[13:27] <Daniel0> lol hilarious
[13:27] <bekks> !ot | martinuni
[13:27] <bekks> manolitos: Is the device currently plugged in?
[13:28] <manolitos> yes i have plugged in
[13:28] <manolitos> but i dont know which is
[13:28] <manolitos> mb i got to replugged in
[13:28] <manolitos> i will get it out and plugged in again
[13:30] <manolitos> oh it does not appears anything when i put it into usb :(
[13:30] <manolitos> but when i m into win7 it works
[13:30] <manolitos> to the same usb
[13:31] <bekks> manolitos: unplug it, run lsusb, pastebin it. plug it in, wait 10s, lsusb, pastebin it. And Windows is out of interest in this channel.
[13:31] <manolitos> i did exactly that and there is no difference
[13:32] <manolitos> to lsusb
[13:32] <Viccieb> I've been using 13.10 for a while now (been upgrading it form 13.04). I had too many freezes, so I went back to the latest LTS. I backuped all my relevant data (including evolution) but now when I'm back on 12.04 (I've installed evolution) my backup won't restore... How do I install a newer version of Evolution???
[13:32] <giwrgaras> the dvd of my ubuntu 13.04 is a live cd?
[13:32] <giwrgaras> can i use that?
[13:32] <giwrgaras> but ive upgraded as i mentioned before from that to .10
[13:33] <LjL> bekks, please don't redirect spam like that to #ubuntu-offtopic, it's not an "anything goes" channel
[13:33] <bekks> LjL: Ok.
[13:33] <manolitos> giwrgaras are u fro mgreece?
[13:34] <nginx-happy> how could I find out what are in my runlevels ? update-rc.d list doesn't work
[13:34] <manolitos> i ll do a restart and coming back
[13:34] <bekks> !upstart | nginx-happy
[13:35] <nginx-happy> bekks, so any other way?
[13:35] <ikonia> nginx-happy: ubuntu only uses run level 2
[13:36] <nginx-happy> ikonia, i want to find out if nginx is in my default runlevel or is that deprecated?
[13:36] <Darksonn> Ubuntu randomly started booting to a black screen
[13:36] <bekks> nginx-happy: It is deprecated, since ubuntu uses upstart.
[13:37] <nginx-happy> so should say if nginx is in my upstart?
[13:39] <theUser> Which volume control app lets you turn sound over 100% when sound is from really weak source ?
[13:40] <bekks> theUser: You need an amplifier then.
[13:40] <Rory> theUser: It won't make it magically louder
[13:40] <k1l_> theUser: vlc does this from software
[13:40] <Rory> theUser: Yes VLC will but it will distort and clip
[13:40] <Hodapp> Rory: If the source is really weak, then no, it won't.
[13:40] <k1l_> yes, its getting better. that is still a compromise
[13:41] <Darksonn> anyone have any idea why ubuntu suddenly began booting to a black screen?
[13:41] <theUser> It wont as long as your not pushing into bad clipping...   right clicking on the speaker in xfce4 just fine
[13:42] <theUser> but in LXDE it don't work
[13:42] <k1l_> Darksonn: do you have errormessages or some logfiles? like .xsession-errors in /home or syslog/dmesg in /var/log
[13:42] <tcstory> what's different between vim user manual and vim reference manual?
[13:43] <bekks> theUser: the first is the user manual, the second the complete reference.
[13:43] <Darksonn> k1l_: ill get into terminal and check
[13:43] <tcstory> vim reference manual has more than 2000 pages
[13:43] <Araneidae> How do I find out which action is *really* bound to my power button -- I think the GUI is lying
[13:43] <bekks> theUser: Yes.
[13:45] <MonkeyDust> Araneidae  computers are machines, they don't lie
[13:46] <Araneidae> MonkeyDust, I am lost for words
[13:46] <Araneidae> Do you have an answer for my question, though?
[13:46] <DrGrov> How can I check my SSH status on 13.10? Is it enabled by default or?
[13:46] <k1l_> Araneidae: i think you want to look up "xev". but i am not sure if its working with the power button. there is some BIOS action behind that what the OS does with that button
[13:46] <cfhowlett>  !ssh
[13:46] <bekks> DrGrov: sudo lsof -i | grep 22
[13:47] <mrafiq__> when ever i installed the ubuntu via dvd it gives an error massage insert the removeable media
[13:47] <DrGrov> cfhowlett: Thank you :)
[13:47] <k1l_> DrGrov: you need to install the ssh-server if you want to connect to that machine with ssh
[13:47] <Araneidae> What's happened is that when I upgraded Xubuntu from 13.04 to 13.10 the power button action has changed from suspend to shutdown.
[13:47] <DrGrov> bekks: Thanks, will see the output.
[13:47] <Araneidae> I can still suspend from the logoff menu
[13:47] <DrGrov> k1l_: Oh, I see. Can I easily set it up for remote access with SSH?
[13:48] <bekks> DrGrov: Yes, just read the links given.
[13:48] <k1l_> DrGrov: see the bots message.
[13:48] <martinuni> I was addicted to watching pornography for 10 years.
[13:48] <martinuni> If you want to know how i won the fight simply write me a short line now: anonymouswriter7@hushmail.com
[13:48] <MonkeyDust> martinuni  are you a script or bot?
[13:48]  * cfhowlett ... don't care
[13:48] <dcope> hey all, is there an appropriate monit channel or are monit questions allowed in here?
[13:48] <CoolApps2> Okay^^^^^^^
[13:48] <martinuni> a bot ;-) lol
[13:49] <adamu> Hello
[13:49] <MonkeyDust> martinuni  please stop being un-funny
[13:49] <DrGrov> bekks: That output showed nothing. That means it is turned off by default, all remote access to this machine via SSH?
[13:49] <cfhowlett> smite and ban please
[13:49] <cfhowlett> adamu, greetings
[13:49] <bekks> DrGrov: Thats mean: there is no ssh server running.
[13:49] <CoolApps2> Anyway I am having a strange issue today...
[13:49] <CoolApps2> Somehow the power cog disappeared...
[13:50] <FailDrain> How do I change the global font in Ubuntu 13 GNOME?
[13:50] <FailDrain> It's screwed up the fonts in USC
[13:50] <FailDrain> Sorry not font!! Font color!
[13:50] <DrGrov> bekks: Roger that. I always wanted to set up some kind of remote access due to having a better machine now that supports things better.
[13:50] <cfhowlett> FailDrain, best to ask the gnome folk ...
[13:51] <DrGrov> bekks: Would SSH be the best option or should I focus on something else probably with a GUI of some kind?
[13:51] <Darksonn> k1l_: theres no logfiles in /home, theres alot of files in var/log, not sure what to look for
[13:51] <Voxel33> ola ola
[13:51] <cfhowlett> !es|Voxel33,
[13:52] <k1l_> Darksonn: sorry: /home/<user>/
[13:52] <adamu> For remote access from the console you can't beat SSH
[13:52] <Voxel33> cfhowlett,  and ubottu i am french ;)
[13:52] <Darksonn> no log files there
[13:52] <DrGrov> adamu: So SSH is the best thing if I want simple remote access to monitor the beast from afar? :)
[13:52] <cfhowlett> Voxel33, heh.  the ola ola threw me.
[13:52] <bekks> DrGrov: SSH is the best option.
[13:53] <k1l_> Darksonn: and in /var/log/ see for dmesg or syslog. after reboot that old logs get changed to dmesg.0 etc to make a new one for that run. so take a look there
[13:53] <DrGrov> bekks: Roger that boss. :)
[13:53] <adamu> DrGrov: Yeah you can also do fun stuff like create SSH tunnels to get around pesky web filters :P
[13:53] <Voxel33> ^^
[13:53] <DrGrov> adamu: Ah, you mean tunnels to get past geoblocking and such filters? :D
[13:54] <phoenix101> okay...i got it.. i used the xrandr command to find the available display option and found that my n150plus supports only 1024x600
[13:54] <adamu> DrGrov: Yeah
[13:54] <Darksonn> k1l_: i found a dmesg and syslog file in var/log/
[13:55] <Darksonn> k1l_: there both really long
[13:55] <DrGrov> adamu: Oooh, that sounds great. On a beginner, intermediate, advanced level, how difficult is it to set up a fully working SSH server with those fun things you mention?
[13:56] <k1l_> Darksonn: they are from this boot. from last boot they get renamed to dmesg.0, from the 2nd last boot its dmesg.1 ...... so you need to find that logfile which is from the situation where that black screen appeared
[13:56] <k1l_> Darksonn: if you are not familiar with the messages in it, put it into a pastebin and show the link here
[13:57] <adamu> DrGrov: Its easy for a beginner as long as you have access to google once you install OpenSSH (sudo aptitude install openssh) its easy to configure everything I 'think' you might even be allowed to create SSH tunnels by default
[13:57] <k1l_> Darksonn: i would start with the .xsession-errors in the users-home
[13:58] <DrGrov> adamu: I can install all apps like normal through Synaptic as well?
[13:58] <DrGrov> adamu: Or I need to use a terminal?
[13:58] <MonkeyDust> to me, the terminal *is* the normal way
[13:59] <DrGrov> MonkeyDust: I love you :)
[14:00] <adamu> DrGrov: Do you have much experience with the console? I am not familiar with Synaptic I generally just use aptitude
[14:00] <DrGrov> MonkeyDust: *nogay*
[14:00] <Darksonn> k1l_: okay, i found xsessionerrors
[14:00] <DrGrov> adamu: Yes, I have some experience with the console but I tend to want to use GUI for app installations.
[14:02] <adamu> DrGrov: Oh, Well I guess you could maybe try X11 forwarding but I have never used it before and normally have it disabled but you could give it a try if I am correct it would allow you to run a graphical tool like synaptic remotely with X11 Forwarding (http://itg.chem.indiana.edu/inc/wiki/software/openssh/200.html)
[14:02] <Darksonn> k1l_: it says something about gtk-critical alot of times in xsessionerrors
[14:04] <DrGrov> adamu: I might be explaining everything a bit wrong in terms. What I would love to have is remote access to my files on /home from anywhere. Is SSH a way to achieve that or should I look into something else?
[14:04] <gordonjcp> DrGrov: use shfs
[14:04] <gordonjcp> *sshfs
[14:04] <gordonjcp> this keyboard is *terrible*
[14:05] <adamu> DrGrov: Yeah you can do that with SSH OpenSSH also allows you to connect over SFTP to access your files with a graphical FTP client such as FileZilla
[14:06] <DrGrov> adamu: Ok, that is what I mean. So then it is not all that difficult to manage. I have used temporary file storage via gFTP on SFTP protocol.
[14:07] <DrGrov> adamu: But not on my own box, but the idea is the same.
[14:08] <Darksonn> k1l_: i have no idea what to look for in this xsessionerrors file
[14:08] <adamu> DrGrov: No it should be really easy just sudo aptitude install openssh on the machine then on another machine ssh <username>@<ipaddress> to connect to your system with SSH then if you want to connect via SFTP you can use filezilla/any other ftp client of your choosing
[14:09] <Darksonn> k1l_: its 39 GB size
[14:10] <k1l_> Darksonn: 39GB is way too much. there is alot going wrong there. i would suggest to delete that file and do a relogin. which ubuntu is that? which desktop? do you use some special theme?
[14:10] <cfhowlett> Darksonn, the whole ubuntu distro doesn't run 39 G!
[14:12] <Darksonn> k1l_: seems like i got the terminal started in readonly
[14:12] <CoolApps2> I am missing the power cog today...
[14:12] <k1l_> Darksonn: does "df -h" show its over 95% somewhere?
[14:13] <CoolApps2> Before the time was missing...
[14:13] <CoolApps2> Any idea?
[14:13] <Darksonn> k1l_: moment, restarting to get out of readonly so i can delete it
[14:15] <CoolApps2> ?
[14:15] <Darksonn> k1l_: okay i removed xsessionerrors now
[14:16] <simone> !list
[14:16] <k1l_> Darksonn: then relogin and see if there are new errors now.
[14:16] <Darksonn> k1l_: okay, ill restart the pc
[14:17] <k1l_> Darksonn: but interesting is this all only after you had a black screen. but that could be caused by drivers or other stuff. so that is just a search where the error is. not a solution to the error
[14:19] <Darksonn> k1l_: xsessionerrors dosent exist now, should i try starting normally (into blackscreen) and see if the file then exists?
[14:19] <adamu> So today I am thinking about removing Windows 7 from my system and 'FINALLY' being able to just use linux over the years I have been able to get rid of Photoshop (gimp), Microsoft Office (Libreoffice), Dreamweaver (Vim) which were my main reasons for keeping windows anyway, I am thinking today might be the day... The nice thing is if I need Microsoft Office (Or Visual Studio) I can connect to my UNIs computer lab with VMWare View.. Have I lost
[14:19] <adamu> my mind or do you think I can do it? Has anyone else had similar experiences??
[14:19] <k1l_> yes
[14:19] <Darksonn> koay
[14:21] <Darksonn> k1l_: now in blackscreen, restarting into terminal
[14:21] <Darksonn> when i touch the onoff button it does show the ubuntu with dots below before shutting down btw
[14:22] <cfhowlett> adamu, lots of people have done it.  at worst, save your win7 for a virtualbox install.
[14:22] <hedin> I have experienced blackout of my screens on 13.04 and now 13.10... Where should I report this? I have posted the details on dpaste. https://dpaste.de/tJmw
[14:23] <Darksonn> k1l_: still no xsessionerrors file
[14:23] <k1l_> Darksonn: if you dont even see the login screen its more a videocard or driver issue. than the syslog in /var/log/ is more interesting
[14:24] <Darksonn> okay
[14:24] <k1l_> Darksonn: im away for some minutes now. so if you get that log file to a pastebin others could have a look, too
[14:24] <stef1541> hey guys
[14:24] <ianorlin> yes you can adamu but I have heard people have problem with tax software
[14:25] <adamu> cfhowlett: So just to make sure I am understanding you correctly, you think I should get have linux as my main operating system with no other operating systems on the system and then run windows 7 in virtualbox?
[14:25] <hellangel> adamu, that is what i have done last week, i only use ubuntu now and a win7 VM for photoshop and visual studio
[14:25] <Darksonn> k1l_: i found syslog
[14:25] <stef1541> can anyone explain me what people mean if they say linux works out the box ?
[14:25] <adamu> Would it be considered bad practice to boot from a gparted live cd and delete my windows partition and then resize my linux partition reboot and boot into linux (after of course backing up my files)
[14:26] <cfhowlett> adamu, I merely suggest that as a recommendation if you've decided to go solo ubuntu.  I've heard others give good reports.  I'd also suggest you run the LTS only version unless you truly NEED the latest/greatest shiny version with a 9 month lifespan.
[14:26] <hellangel> stef1541, it works without  needing to install stuff.. so you get it "out of its box" and it works right away
[14:26] <MonkeyDust> stef1541  that you don't have to install additional software
[14:26] <cfhowlett> adamu, not bad practice at all
[14:26] <BluesKaj> stef1541. that's a pretty general statement , and i don't think it's valid
[14:27] <ianorlin> or you could dual boot two distros if you wanted to
[14:27] <cfhowlett> stef1541, what is your specific issue?
[14:27] <cfhowlett> !who
[14:28] <hellangel> adamu, i went from fedora + windows dualboot to ubuntu and im glad i did :>
[14:28] <stef1541> i read that line when they were talking about linux security does it mean linux doesn't need anti virus software to clean the pc against malware. I'm making a thesis about Linux clients as an alternative for windows clients and i read about linux working out the box but didn't really know what i ment so i came here for asking ^^ i heard linux works mounting based that everything is a file that
[14:28] <stef1541> needs to be mounted still i don't understand it but does that mounting system means out of the box ?
[14:29] <adamu> cfhowlett: okay thanks
[14:29] <Darksonn> k1l_: syslog is 1.9 MB
[14:29] <cfhowlett> adamu, be safe, have fun
[14:30] <adamu> hellangel: Yeah I have been looking forward to this day for a long time I have been using linux for about 2 years but have never actually been able to get rid of Windows due to Windows only software
[14:30] <hellangel> stef1541,  "mounting based"? well, if you mean the boot-image, then kind of yes
[14:30] <adamu> Well I am off to go get rid of Windows (have to run a backup first though so it will probably take a little while)
[14:30] <hellangel> adamu, heh yeah, same here, i got all the games to run on ubuntu, which was kind of the only reason for me to boot windows
[14:30] <hellangel> adamu, good luck with that =)
[14:30] <stef1541> well yeah i mean all files need to be unpacked since everything is a file to linxu but is that right i don't really understand >.<
[14:30] <cfhowlett> !steam
[14:30] <cfhowlett> !wine
[14:31] <adamu> hellangel: Thanks I'll be back to report the good news later..
[14:31] <cfhowlett> gamers may find steam and wine worth checking out
[14:31] <hellangel> stef1541,  all files need to be unpacked? huh? there are boot-images that get mounted and "started" if you will, but that is all, i dont know what you mean by things need to be unpacked
[14:32] <stef1541> steam and wine make  it possible to runn windows software
[14:32] <hellangel> stef1541, linux uses filesystems aswell
[14:32] <hellangel> cfhowlett, you might suggest playonlinux as well
[14:32] <hellangel> +wanna
[14:32] <neurot1cal> what server distro would someone recommend is good for someone wanting to learn linux sysadmin type tasks? i tried latest ubuntu but cant stand the new gui
[14:32] <cfhowlett> neurot1cal, ubuntu server doesn't come with a gui
[14:32]  * neurot1cal current windows sysadmin wanting to learn linux
[14:32] <hellangel> neurot1cal, server distru and desktop (gui) doesnt match up for me really
[14:32] <neurot1cal> well, i installed ubuntu-desktop ;p
[14:32] <cfhowlett> !ubuntu-server
[14:32] <MonkeyDust> stef1541  maybe these links are useful    http://www.whylinuxisbetter.net/   http://mybroadband.co.za/news/software/32474-a-windows-users-guide-to-linux.html
[14:33] <cfhowlett> neurot1cal, if you want to learn server, learn the command line.  no desktop needed.
[14:33] <MonkeyDust> stef1541  and this http://opensource.com/
[14:33] <neurot1cal> ok
[14:34] <neurot1cal> i already prefer powershell on windows server
[14:34] <cfhowlett> !lamp|neurot1cal,
[14:34] <neurot1cal> has some similarities to bash i hear
[14:34] <neurot1cal> awesome, thanks!
[14:34] <cfhowlett> neurot1cal, setting up lamp is a nice all around project for server sysadmins
[14:34] <malinus> When I do lsof, I can easliy see that dnsmasq is running. When I try to apt-get remove it, it tells me that it is not installed?
[14:35] <neurot1cal> i work for microsoft ;) this should be a good step out of my comfort zone
[14:35] <malinus> What is going on?
[14:35] <hellangel> cfhowlett, in my opinion lamp is for NON admins, admins should rather install the packages themself =)
[14:35]  * cfhowlett reaches for pitchfork, tar and feathers ...
[14:35] <cfhowlett> hellangel, :)  ok
[14:36] <neurot1cal> hellangel, is there a good, well-known, linux 101 guide/curriculum out there? i wanna start from the basics and build up
[14:36] <vietnam_no1> hello world
[14:36] <neurot1cal> not just learn how to get things to work functionally
[14:36] <vietnam_no1> hey boy !
[14:36] <cfhowlett> vietnam_no1, greetings boy
[14:36] <MonkeyDust> neurot1cal  "life begins, the moment you leave the comfort zone"
[14:36] <neurot1cal> heheh
[14:36] <neurot1cal> DANGER ZONE!!
[14:37] <hellangel> neurot1cal, well, you might just pick a server distribution and think of what you actually want to do and then google those things.. like step 1: install a webserver, then you google how to do that in that distribution and read and understand it.. thats how i learned it :)
[14:37] <cfhowlett> vietnam_no1, if you have an ubuntu question, please ask it in channel.
[14:38] <neurot1cal> is there a big difference between centos and ubuntu server?
[14:38] <neurot1cal> have a friend in the industry who swears by centos, on the enterprise side
[14:38] <hellangel> neurot1cal, there are differences like the packagemanager for instance
[14:38] <cfhowlett> neurot1cal, they're both good.
[14:38] <BluesKaj> neurot1cal.  depends on your needs ,of course
[14:39] <hellangel> neurot1cal, most people would recommend debian, i HATE debian and would never use it again so.. it is mostly a taste issue
[14:39] <neurot1cal> i really like what i can do with freenas
[14:39] <neurot1cal> but want to have more capability
[14:39] <Darksonn> k1l_: you there?
[14:39] <stef1541> since linux is open source who runns everything and controls about what can be updated what not i mean if everyone can see and check linux open source who does see if they use it properly and are the developers who work on linux distro's people people who are high in IT or can it be like anyone ?
[14:40] <cfhowlett> neurot1cal, check out #ubuntu-server
[14:40] <cfhowlett> and forums
[14:40] <hellangel> the distribution is just the base of your server, you can add software to all linux distributions, some have them in repositories already to just install them via the packagemanager, others require software to be built manually
[14:40] <neurot1cal> cfhowlett, thanks
[14:41] <BluesKaj> stef1541. try to use some punctuation instead of a run on sentence with several ideas , your post is confusing otherwise
[14:41] <hellangel> stef1541, that is per distribution kind of.. distributions have a selection of stuff (kernels, software) they provide
[14:42] <hellangel> so distributions are "mainly" groups of certain selected software
[14:42] <neurot1cal> hellangel, ahhh so when i'm doing 'sudo apt-get install blahblah', if blahblah is part of the packagemanager it just knows where to install from
[14:42] <scatharis> Sup.
[14:42] <hellangel> neurot1cal, almost yeah, apt-get install bla will search the repositories you have installed for that kind of package, and the information where to install and what dependencies are required is in the package
[14:43] <stef1541> hellangel what do you mean with groups of certain selected software ? Do people select the software ?
[14:43] <hellangel> stef1541, yes
[14:43] <hellangel> the packagers of the distribution select the software to be available (or installed in the default installation) in their distributions
[14:43] <cfhowlett> stef1541, well that software ain't gonna select itself!
[14:44] <cfhowlett> :)
[14:44] <semajnad> Can someone explain to me what "script /dev/null" does?
[14:44] <semajnad> In simple terms :P
[14:44] <hellangel> semajnad, it runs a script with the parameter /dev/null.. do you mean > /dev/null?
[14:44] <hellangel> "script > /dev/null" writes its output into /dev/null -> nirvana! =)
[14:44] <stef1541> @ hellangel And who does overlook everything to see the right decision are made ? I mean it can be like anyone or not ? xD i'm trying to understand this i mean it's so awesome to see how linux grown to be something outstanding ^^
[14:45] <semajnad> I'm trying to run 'screen' after su'ing to a user. However it doesn't let you. So someone suggested doing su <user> then script /dev/null and screen then works.
[14:45] <hellangel> stef1541, the people who are a part of the administration of the distribution..
[14:45] <hellangel> so team ubuntu decides what we get ;)
[14:45] <hellangel> in the repositories, that is (you can still install other stuff or build it yourself)
[14:45] <stef1541> @ hellangel so team ubuntu is like a team of people like Microsoft has it's teams ?
[14:46] <hellangel> semajnad, huh, if you "su" to a user, you are that user and that user is running the screen no?
[14:46] <hp_> i use tor for surfing the web .. when it works it accept no keyboard layout .. how can i make it accept to write in via keyboard?
[14:46] <semajnad> hellangel: If as root you do eg '
[14:46] <hellangel> stef1541, kind of yes.. if you wanted you could just start your own distribution
[14:46] <semajnad> oops
[14:46] <semajnad> hellangel: If as root you do, for example 'su usr01' so you are running as them, then do 'screen' it says : "Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/1' - please check." so someone suggested doing script /dev/null first
[14:47] <semajnad> hellangel: doing /dev/null does then let you run screen, just wondering if it's a safe thing to do when your running an executable under screen.
[14:47] <stef1541> @ hellangel but compared to microsoft Linux community the user's themself got the right to speak. While in windows people get pushed to use things they don't need or want. start my own distribution ? your serious ? so it can be a distribution of linux sucks big time because a noob made it ?
[14:47] <hellangel> semajnad, if you su to usr01 and execute "screen" as usr01, you should have usr01's screen session... no idea what /dev/null has to do with that
[14:48] <hellangel> stef1541,  that always depends, you could just create a company and hire people to make you a new distribution and call it Foobuntu
[14:48] <semajnad> hellangel: Yes, I'm saying if you su to user01 then type screen to oppen a screen session, it won't let you, you get Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/1' - please check.
[14:48] <asad2005> Can i upgrade my ubuntu unity to ubuntu gnome?
[14:48] <hellangel> semajnad, it does let me ;)
[14:48] <hellangel> asad2005, you can install gnome3 on your ubuntu installation sure
[14:48] <semajnad> hellangel: Well I must be doing something wrong haha, there are some other people with this issue as well, so if /dev/null works, is it safe to use?
[14:48] <stef1541> i understand i think ^^ luckily i don't need to write about that i my thesis
[14:48] <ThinkT510> asad2005: that isn't an upgrade, thats just installing another desktop environment (and yes you can do that)
[14:49] <hellangel> semajnad, you arent telling me everything, because /dev/null itself does have _nothing_ to do with screen ;)
[14:49] <asad2005> ThinkT510: is just apt-get install gnome3
[14:49] <stef1541> the most user friendly distro's are ubuntu, mint ? what else ?
[14:49] <semajnad> hellangel: Hmmm, I don't really know then. All I was told is sometimes when you su to a user and type screen, you get the message "Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/1' - please check." and someone said that if you use script /dev/null then use screen it works. and it does :/ not sure why then.
[14:49] <hellangel> asad2005, first google result: http://askubuntu.com/questions/358989/install-gnome-3-10-in-ubuntu-13-10-without-breaking-unity
[14:50] <semajnad> hellangel:  - http://dbadump.blogspot.co.uk/2009/04/start-screen-after-sudo-su-to-another.html
[14:50] <ThinkT510> asad2005: gnome-shell
[14:50] <OerHeks> !nounity
[14:52] <hellangel> semajnad, never heard of that hack, seems very dirty
[14:52] <cfhowlett> stef1541, that's a religious question:)  depends who you ask, what you mean by friendly, etc.  and it's a poll, so ... offtopic for this channel.
[14:52] <semajnad> hellangel: Okay, so I'm not sure why I can't do it then :/ do you have any ideas?
[14:52] <asad2005> ThinkT510: hellangel: thanks
[14:52] <fudus> chances if you don't like unity you won't like gnome shell either though. If you want the XP/Vista look try cinnamon which has  the  Vista style taskbar with starmenu at bottom left
[14:53] <semajnad> hellangel:  My situation is that usr001 is jailed to the directory /home/network/usr001/directory through the sshd_config, and I'm logged in as root to su to usr001 to run an executable, but it gives me the error ""Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/1' - please check."
[14:53] <hellangel> semajnad, it sounds more like a weird permission issue you are hacving
[14:53] <nii236|RPi> Hey all, after updatin to 13.10 I can no longer type in the compose window in gmail in Chromium. Has there been any changes recently that would've caused this?
[14:53] <semajnad> hellangel: Lol probably, I've been at this chroot thing for 48 hours now. I'll have to find a workaround :/
[14:53] <fudus> apt-get install cinnamon and relogging in is all that is needed if you prefer the XP/Vista style system
[14:54] <semajnad> hellangel: When you say dirty? What do you mean. I don't really mind if it's a sloppy approach as my server isn't actually being used for much, but is /dev/null then screen safe to do?
[14:55] <hellangel> semajnad, im not even sure what "script" is
[14:55] <semajnad> hellangel:  ah ;) Okay, no worries. But thanks for looking :)
[14:55] <semajnad> hellangel: and that makes two :P
[14:55] <scatharis> hey all....flashplugin-installer (sp?) isn't in the canonical-partners repo anymore, or it seems, as of 13.10....any reason?
[14:55] <hellangel> seems like script /dev/null will save all your session logs into /dev/null .. but why this should be a workaround for the permission issue, i dont know
[14:55] <hellangel> @ semajnad
[14:55] <ThinkT510> !info flashplugin-installer | scatharis
[14:56] <semajnad> hellangel:  ?
[14:56] <scatharis> well, that's a shame.  I won't enable multiverse.  guess I'll get the tarball straight from adobe and manage it myself.
[14:56] <fudus> it is in multiverse in 13.10
[14:56] <stef1541> pfff dunno how far i would go to describe the difference between linux clients and windows clients. What i mean is i got already lots of wiki and comparison sites and some books but i need around 100 pages :s xD
[14:56] <arnex> hi
[14:56] <stef1541> hi arnex
[14:57] <scatharis> Thank you for the information, though.  appreciated.
[14:57] <ThinkT510> scatharis: you realise that the repo is enabled on a default install
[14:57] <BrianH> script /dev/null just prevents messages from appearing.
[14:57] <BrianH> Think of it like a black hole.  Anything written to /dev/null is destroyed.
[14:57] <fudus> if you have partners repo enabled, you can install flashplayer directly
[14:57] <scatharis> yes.  it's a pain to disable it immediately, so sometimes I do a super-minimal install, or just go from the last LTS like I did on this box.
[14:57] <scatharis> fudus:  it appears to no longer be in partners
[14:58] <fudus> adobeflash or something
[14:58] <scatharis> yes, up until 13.10 it was in partners; was moved to multiverse (not an option)
[15:00] <nii236|RPi> Hey all, after updatin to 13.10 I can no longer type in the compose window in gmail in Chromium. Has there been any changes recently that would've caused this?
[15:04] <stef1541> Are there reasons why people should not choose for Linux acsept compatibility with high end software ?
[15:04] <fudus> http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/ ah no saucy upload, explains that then
[15:04] <scatharis> Oh hey, one other question while I'm at it.  During startup, I've got grub set to use a plain-text console as I prefer.  However after the init scripts start (I suspect upstart stuff is going on at this point) there is zero console output...then a few seconds before my xdm starts, I get a whole spew of modem-manager messages at a high resolution graphics mode.  how do I get to see init script output on boot?  got a couple
[15:04] <scatharis>  I need to write and watch come online
[15:04] <ThinkT510> stef1541: if by high-end you mean closed source then thats about the only reason yes
[15:05] <ZeThomas> hey, i am trying to make a bootable usb with usb-creator-gtk, but it is in 'Installing the bootloader...' for 30 minutes now already... is this normal?
[15:05] <fudus> nii236|RPi: try the official chrome debs? the chromium in official repos are usually behind the offiicial version
[15:06] <stef1541> with high end software i mean programs that are made for windows like manny games , photo drawing tools i dunno software that people need and only are avaiable for windows that's the main reason people wouldn't use linux right ? my question was if there would be other reasons  ?
[15:07] <scatharis> I would wager that there's 10x more important software running on linux/BSD than on windows :)
[15:07] <scatharis> Add in solaris and aix
[15:07] <ThinkT510> stef1541: almost all those examples you give are windows only because they are closed source and designed as such, anywho your questions are getting rather offtopic
[15:07] <stef1541> sorry :s
[15:08] <stef1541> i quess i better go
[15:08] <stef1541> thanks for all the help and the info
[15:08] <stef1541> bye
[15:11] <gassho> how come mister synaptic won't select sourcecode checking
[15:12] <gassho> as in checking the option to download source code
[15:12] <gassho> just what the sizzlin you tryin to hide :U
[15:12] <ikonia> gassho: it downloads the source debs, (which contain the source code)
[15:13] <gassho> it  goes from check to -
[15:13] <gassho> as if by magic i might add
[15:13] <gassho> ;-;
[15:13] <ikonia> gassho: sorry, you're not making sense
[15:13] <ikonia> can you try to just state clearly what's not working as you want
[15:13] <gassho> checkmarking the source code option in synaptic!
[15:14] <ikonia> checkmarking?
[15:14] <nico_> quit
[15:14] <quoveridis> ./quit
[15:14] <quoveridis> ^^
[15:16] <martincpt> hi
[15:16] <semajnad> The ending of breaking bad :(
[15:17] <ikonia> semajnad: if you want to chat about non-ubuntu stuff, try #defocus, or #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:17] <semajnad> ikonia:  Sorry, that's all I gotta so :P
[15:18] <gassho> clicking the little box so that it goes to a check symbol immediately reverts to a - symbol and when i close and repoen repositories it shows a blank box symbol
[15:19] <semajnad> If you created a screen session as 'root' then in the session did 'su usr001' and ran en executable, would the executable be ran by usr001 intstead of root ye?
[15:19] <ikonia> user001
[15:19] <ikonia> creating a screen session as root is a bad idea though
[15:19] <gassho> lol
[15:19] <gassho> bad boys
[15:19] <ikonia> gassho: ok, so the gui is not allowing you to enable the source download
[15:19] <ikonia> gassho: is that what you are saying ?
[15:19] <ianorlin> screen the terminal multiplexer?
[15:20] <gassho> i guess
[15:20] <gassho> i dont really know what all dem1's n 0's do
[15:20] <ThinkT510> semajnad: if thats a desktop version of ubuntu you shouldn't be logging in as root (its not supported in here)
[15:20] <ikonia> gassho: 1's and 0's ? where ? what are you talking about ? could you take a screen shot as it appears your having a hard time explaining it
[15:20] <semajnad> ThinkT510: It's Ubuntu 13.10 desktop? Why can't you log in as root?
[15:20] <sunnyson> halloo, new to the irc channels. quick question for anyone using ubuntu on hp laptops... any success on installing wireless+bluetooth drivers for mediatek m7630 card?
[15:21] <ikonia> semajnad: the root account is disabled by default
[15:21] <semajnad> ikonia: But I can connect to it :/
[15:21] <semajnad> ikonia: Without having to enable it
[15:21] <ikonia> semajnad: then it's not an ubuntu standard build
[15:21] <ikonia> semajnad: is this a vps by any chance ?
[15:21] <ianorlin> yes it can
[15:21] <gassho> just tell me how to enable source download
[15:21] <ianorlin> although some might have broadcom wireless
[15:21] <semajnad> ikonia: No it's a dedicated server that I aasked them to put Ubuntu 13.10 on and when I log in it says that :/
[15:21] <gassho> through cli terminal
[15:21] <ikonia> semajnad: can you show me the ouptut of "uname -a" please.
[15:22] <quoveridis> if you do screen within screen within screen within screen, swapping windows at random each time, is there a chance you might never get out? (something like inception)
[15:22] <semajnad> ikonia: " Linux h88-150-197-34 3.11.0-12-generic #19-Ubuntu SMP Wed Oct 9 16:20:46 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux"
[15:22] <ikonia> semajnad: it sounds like it's not a proper ubuntu install as the root account should be disabled by default, you shouldn't be able ot login
[15:22] <semajnad> ikonia: What version of ubuntu have I got?
[15:22] <ikonia> 3.11 - looks like 13.10
[15:23] <semajnad> ikonia: Okay, so should I have a root user on 13.10?
[15:23] <ikonia> semajnad: no, no root account should be enabled in any ubuntu install
[15:23] <semajnad> ikonia: Awesome
[15:23] <sunnyson> halloo, new to the irc channels. quick question for anyone using ubuntu on hp laptops... any success on installing wireless+bluetooth drivers for mediatek m7630 card?
[15:23] <Rexodus> 22223.
[15:23] <semajnad> ikonia: I didn't think there was much difference between ubuntu and ubuntu with a GUI. I thought they operated basically the same.
[15:23] <crusie> hey - I just installed ubuntu and steam - finally got my GFX card working (ATI) but now I realise I have to use my other partition for steam games (not enough space) - how do I mount a partition from another drive. I assume it has to have read/write/execute
[15:23] <ikonia> semajnad: they do, and root should not be enabled in either
[15:24] <Rexodus> semajnad: cat /etc/issue
[15:24] <sunnyson> cruise how did u get it to work, i am trying to install amd drivers and i get the flxgr error
[15:24] <semajnad> ikonia: What do you mean? I thought you just said root is enabled in any?
[15:24] <semajnad> "Ubuntu 13.10 \n \l"
[15:24] <ikonia> semajnad: no, I said root is not enabled in any
[15:24] <ikonia> semajnad: remember the "pay attention" bit
[15:24] <semajnad> ikonia: " no, no root account should be enabled in any ubuntu install"
[15:24] <ikonia> 15:22 < ikonia> semajnad: it sounds like it's not a proper ubuntu install as the root account should be disabled by default, you shouldn't be able ot login
[15:24] <gassho> just tell me how to enable source download ikonia
[15:25] <crusie> semajnad, I really can't remember - think I build the latest beta drivers from ATI website
[15:25] <ikonia> semajnad: yes, no root account should be abled, eg: root account should be disabled
[15:25] <ThinkT510> semajnad: english isn't your first language?
[15:25] <ianorlin> ikonia https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[15:25] <ikonia> ianorlin: why are you giving me that link ?
[15:25] <crusie> I don't know much about ubuntu - reinstalled 5 times because I couldn't revert the broken drivers...
[15:25] <semajnad> ThinkT510: Lol it is I read that as no no, root account should be enabled in all ubuntu, sorry me screwing up.
[15:25] <ianorlin> it explains why root isn't enabled by defualt
[15:25] <ikonia> semajnad: not a problem
[15:26] <ikonia> ianorlin: I know why root isn't enabled, that's why I'm saying "it should not be enabled"
[15:26] <crusie> I think the most important step would be the ATI-config --initial at the end BEFORE you reboot
[15:26] <ThinkT510> semajnad: notice where the coma is
[15:26] <crusie> I think that's what did the trick for me sam113101
[15:26] <crusie> semajnad,  even
[15:26] <semajnad> ThinkT510: Yes I know ;)
[15:26] <ianorlin> sorry wrong person
[15:26] <semajnad> Well all I can say is when I got the server I could log in stragith away as root.
[15:26] <semajnad> straight*
[15:27] <CoolApps2> How do I restore the Power cog?, it disappeared today, the other day the time was missing but then it came back after a reboot.
[15:27] <ikonia> semajnad: seems like the people doing the install have either been tinkering or using a non-standard ubuntu build
[15:27] <semajnad> ikonia: Is this a bad thing specifically? I'm i'm using it for is hosting game servers.
[15:27] <ThinkT510> semajnad: which means somebody enabled it for you, which is not the default setup and not the way ubuntu was intended to be used
[15:28] <crusie> I'
[15:28] <crusie> I'm starting to think there is still too much terminal for me in ubuntu
[15:28] <ikonia> semajnad: well, yes and no, are you having problems, no so it's not bad, wil you have problems, what else is different - who knows, can people help you, possibly not as it may not all work the same as a stanard ubuntu install depending on the risk
[15:28] <ikonia> semajnad: so not a clear yes/no response
[15:28] <ahoneybun> hey ikonia
[15:28] <ikonia> hello adamu
[15:28] <CoolApps> Any idea?
[15:28] <ikonia> hello ahoneybun even
[15:28] <adamu> ikonia: Hello
[15:28] <ikonia> adamu: sorry about that, wrong person
[15:29] <CoolApps> I have asked earlier but no one replied...
[15:29] <semajnad> ikonia:  Okay, so far everything seems to have worked smoothly (except where I screw up) so I'll just go along with it for now and if I have problems maybe get the Virtual KVM and install it myself.
[15:29] <adamu> ikonia: Its okay
[15:29] <ikonia> semajnad: that wouldn't fix anything as you'd be running a kvm instance from a possible "risk" host
[15:29] <crusie> how do I remount a partition as read/write/execute?
[15:29] <CoolApps> Ok what about refreshing the Ubuntu UI? (The top bar)
[15:30] <adamu> Is SCP good for copying large greater than 50gb tarballs across a network?
[15:30] <holymac> i want to load ubuntu or something linux on my phone.
[15:31] <crusie> holymac, you really wanna tinker in terminal on your phone ?
[15:31]  * ahoneybun is waiting on his build of AOKP to finish
[15:31] <holymac> maybe ... if wifi works.
[15:31] <DJones> !touch | holymac Not something I have experience of, but the bot's channel may be able to help,
[15:32] <vladimir> hi guys ... i have interresting problem ... when I press display brightness adjustment on my keyboard, immediatelly configuration window of Display setting arrises ... this means that each keyboard press on that button provokes generation of new window of Dispplay settins ... has anybody the same problem? thank you.
[15:33] <semajnad> ikonia: I appreciate the concerns, but to be honest this is only a game server and I back things up anyway, so if one day there's a huge security exploit it won't make much difference to me. Although I understand the dangers if this was being used for a proper business etc.
[15:34] <ikonia> semajnad: of course, it's fully up to you to asses the risk and manage it
[15:34] <semajnad> ikonia: But thanks again for all the help, everyone here. I've been trying to work my head around this for 2 days :) now at least I can get going!
[15:35] <crusie> how do I remount a partition as read/write/execute?
[15:35] <adamu> semajnad: what game are you setting up a server for?
[15:35] <adamu> cruise: man mount
[15:36] <vladimir> crusie, mount -o remount,rw /partition
[15:36] <crusie> tried - makes no sense to me
[15:36] <semajnad> adamu: Minecraft for this one right now, but we just use it for any servers. Why?
[15:36] <semajnad> adamu: Server for a friend this one.
[15:36] <adamu> semajnad: I was just curious
[15:37] <gassho> ;-;
[15:38] <UbuntuIsSpyware> fuck you ubuntu users!!! your are for the dick
[15:39] <MsCourtney> !ops
[15:39] <adamu> Well if your not satisfied with it feel free to return to get back any money you paid for it
[15:40] <MonkeyDust> MsCourtney  do'nt call the ops too easily, please
[15:40] <MsCourtney> Sorry about that
[15:40] <UbuntuIsSpyware> !ops
[15:40] <UbuntuIsSpyware> !ops
[15:40] <FloodBot1> UbuntuIsSpyware: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:42] <FailDrain> Anyone played Forgotto on Ubuntu Software Center not bad music , graphically but the controls stink so bad and it trys to be fun does an okay job but It didn't keep me entertained that long got bored after like 30minutes
[15:43] <malgorath> I have 2 500g hard drives on my ASUS ROG G75VW Laptop. The first one is windows 8 that I use for gaming. Can ubuntu be installed on the secondary hard drive without destroying my install of windows 8?
[15:44] <MsCourtney> malgorath Yes
[15:44] <adamu> I just found the most useless application you could possibly install (cowsay)
[15:44] <adamu> It is fun though... :/
[15:44] <FailDrain> adamu: go on tell me all about it :D
[15:45] <extremelyanonrym> hi
[15:45] <CoolApps> apt-get moo
[15:45] <malgorath> MsCourtney: Is there anything special that has to be done?
[15:45] <CoolApps> :P
[15:45] <FailDrain> love this classic 8bit music tones! buda doo daa durda burda doo
[15:45] <kanthalaraghu> hiee there ...
[15:45] <extremelyanonrym> hi kanthalaraghu
[15:45] <MsCourtney> malgorath yes give me a sec
[15:46] <extremelyanonrym> hey n e buddy is there
[15:46] <zykotick9> adamu: how can you say cowsay is useless?  it's perfect when i want a cow to say something!
[15:46] <FailDrain> lol it's a cow?
[15:46] <BluesKaj> MOOOO
[15:46] <Icemold_> mooo
[15:46] <FailDrain> NOM NOM GRASS !
[15:46] <adamu> zykotick9: Thats a good point :P
[15:47] <MsCourtney> malgorath use manual partitiioning select correct hard drive for boot loader
[15:47] <extremelyanonrym> i want to learn
[15:47] <malgorath> MsCourtney: Primary Hard Drive for boot loader?(aka over write windows 8 boot loarder?)
[15:48] <wet88> hello ...who can help me with the following error : Python (v2.7) requires to install plugins to play media files of the following type: text/html decoder ?
[15:49] <bekks> wet88: Where's there error at that?
[15:49] <wet88> I'm trying to play a radio stream in my Rhythmbox
[15:50] <LjL> MsCourtney: i think your ops call was appropriate, for what is worth
[15:50] <mrafiq> where to get adobe flash player for ubuntu 13.10
[15:51] <adamu> mrafiq: you can download it from adobe
[15:51] <MsCourtney> mrafiq Install ubuntu-restrice
[15:51] <MsCourtney> restricted-extras
[15:51] <BluesKaj> mrafiq. , install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:51] <mrafiq> ok
[15:51] <mrafiq> thanks
[15:51] <extremelyanonrym> hi
[15:53] <MrMonkey31> bit of a goofy question here: if I've modified the xorg.conf file for another linux installation, and I do chown root, that will or will NOT mark it as belonging to the root for that other install?
[15:53] <mrafiq> how to setup vpn
[15:53] <bekks> !vpn | mrafiq
[15:53] <adamu> MrMonkey31: no it will only change it on that computer modifying the permissions for a folder/file on one computer will not change them on another
[15:53] <wet88> bekks ? could you help me please? I tried this until now: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1864150&page=2
[15:54] <zykotick9> MrMonkey31: it's standard that root is always uid=0 so it should be root on all systems.
[15:54] <bekks> wet88: whats the output of "lsb_release -a"?
[15:55] <wet88> @bekks No LSB modules are available
[15:55] <zykotick9> MrMonkey31: re: adamu's comment, so long as you use a "real" filesystem or network to transfer (so the POSIX permissions are preserved) the change IS actually transferable from one system to another.
[15:55] <wet88> ubunt 12.04.3 LTS precise
[15:56] <bekks> wet88: Thats not the entire output. Pastebin the entire output and provide the URL please.
[15:56] <adamu> zykotick9: interesting..
[15:57] <MrMonkey31> zykotick9: ok thanks guys, learned something :}
[15:58] <wet88> bekks  http://pastebin.com/MhpqU8df
[15:59] <martincpt> can anyody tell me how can I change outgoing email addresses from localhost.localdomain to my real domain?
[16:01] <wet88> thanks!
[16:01] <bekks> wet88: And what are you doing to get which message exactly?
[16:02] <wet88> I just added a radio address in Rhythmbox and then I'm double clicking to open to listen ...
[16:03] <CoolApps> Anyway to refresh or restart the Ubuntu status bar?
[16:04] <technec> i installed ubuntu 13.10 on my laptop and 1440x900 is not a selectable resolution. how do i go about adding or setting 1440x900?
[16:05] <martincpt> technec: I think you should search for display then you can set up resolution
[16:06] <ocooel> Official support for 12.04 users. Is it possible..?
[16:08] <himanshu_linux> hi
[16:08] <technec> martincpt: is it required that i edit config files or is there an app i can install and use?
[16:09] <kunji> Hey everyone, I know it isn't strictly on topic, but does know what, if any, free web platforms (e.g. wordpress, drupal, etc.. ) has good built in support for user accounts and transactions?  I'll be running it on Ubuntu at least :P  If it's not something that someone can answer off the top of their head, then could someone point me to a better channel to ask this in, thanks.
[16:09] <zykotick9> technec: is this a portable computer?  in a terminal try "lspci -v | grep -i vga" are two cards listed, or just one?  what is it (are they)?
[16:10] <gassho> just tell me how to enable source download
[16:10] <minimec> technec: Check #24 of this forum thread. That is the thing you could try. In the 'xrandr --addmode ...' at the end you would have to replace 'DVI-0' with output port. You can check your ports with 'xrandr'. https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=164385
[16:11] <technec> zykotick9: its a macbook and the output of lspci result in:  Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS
[16:11] <martincpt> technec: go to dash home and search for 'display' I was able to set up resolution there on 12.04
[16:11] <zykotick9> technec: best of luck then.
[16:11] <MO_Handes> what is the appropriate partition size for root? if I'm only creating a partition for /home separately? is 14gb enough?
[16:12] <k1l> MO_Handes: something between 5Gb and 10Gb imho
[16:12] <kunji> MO_Handes: It's enough to start with, remember that your apps are going to be installed there though.
[16:12] <trijntje> gassho: apt-get download
[16:12] <CoolApps> Is there a way to restart the status bar on Ubuntu 13.10?
[16:12] <technec> zykotick9: yeah, most instructions are for nvidia or ati video cards
[16:12] <k1l> MO_Handes: on my laptop here its 5,9GB used form / with a pretty standard desktop usecase
[16:13] <kostkon> CoolApps, only if you restart unity
[16:13] <CoolApps> And how do you restart Unity?
[16:13] <CoolApps> The power cog disappeared today so yeah. :P
[16:13] <technec> minimec: i'll take a look, thanks
[16:14] <kostkon> CoolApps, press ctrl+alt+f4, then give: setsid unity, then ctrl+alt+f7 to go back
[16:14] <CoolApps> A week ago the time disappeared...
[16:14] <kostkon> CoolApps, or just do it in the terminal
[16:15] <zykotick9> kostkon: you need ctrl in xorg to get to VTs, but once in console it's just alt+F? to move around.  so, "c+a+f4" then "a+f7" to get back properly.  CoolApps
[16:15] <kostkon> zykotick9, didnt know that thanks
[16:16] <zykotick9> kostkon: fyi, alt+arrow (left or right) can also move around, get back to xorg.
[16:16] <kostkon> zykotick9, that's even better
[16:18] <ocooel> Is there paid support for personal desketop or is this the best place to visit..?
[16:19] <IdleOne> You can check canonical.com for paid support options
[16:19] <kostkon> ocooel, http://www.ubuntu.com/support
[16:20] <noche> Hello, I am having trouble booting into my Ubuntu partition because hitting shift doesn't stop it from loading Win7. Does anyone have any advice?
[16:20] <jmgk> hola noche
[16:21] <zykotick9> noche: was win7 installed after ubuntu?
[16:21] <noche> No, it was the other way around
[16:21] <zykotick9> noche: fyi, you can just HOLD shift after bios to get grub2, no need for tapping
[16:21] <noche> Even when I hold shift Win7 is still booted
[16:21] <noche> and moving the arrow keys does not work either
[16:22] <zykotick9> OH, do you see grub?
[16:22] <noche> I do.
[16:22] <noche> I set the timeout limit to 1 second
[16:23] <zykotick9> lol, no need for shift then!
[16:23] <noche> but no key allows me to select Ubuntu
[16:23] <noche> the "e" or "c" keys don't do anything either
[16:24] <zykotick9> noche: lol, to be honest i have the same problem with my usb wireless keyboard.  i can't interact with grub.  in my case i can plug in a ps2 keyboard and use that temporarily.  i have no idea how to fix it.  best of luck!
[16:24] <noche> Thanks!
[16:24] <noche> I'll try that
[16:24] <noche> I'm using a Lenovo laptop
[16:25] <zykotick9> noche: DANDER PS/2 is NOT hot pluggable!  don't unplug it with the computer on!
[16:25] <noche> oh no
[16:25] <noche> I'm going to use a USB laptop
[16:25] <noche> I mean USB keyboard
[16:26] <noche> And thanks again zykotick9
[16:27] <hseg> Trying to burn Ubuntu LiveCD for 12.04.3 onto CD. Problem is that .iso is 708MB, while disk capacity is 702MB for all CDs I've tried. Might I be doing something wrong here?
[16:27] <adamu> What is better (in your opinion) virtualbox or kqemu
[16:27] <zykotick9> hseg: use a dvd :|
[16:28] <zykotick9> hseg: i believe with the .3 update it pushed it over the cd limit.... "i believe" i'm not 100% certain
[16:28] <Isualin> or a usb drive if you can
[16:29] <hseg> Ugh. Can't I, e.g., erase the WUBI .exe from the .iso?
[16:29] <CoolApps> Done the instructions wrong. :P
[16:29] <spiderfly> programms running very slow
[16:29] <ocooel> kostkon: thank you
[16:29] <CoolApps> I ended up with Unity looking broken so I had to hard reset. :P
[16:30] <ocooel> It seems paid support is only available for large scale
[16:30] <CoolApps> It is just a user error. :P
[16:30] <CoolApps> Which is caused by me.
[16:31] <bekks> ocooel: It is available for private individuals too.
[16:31] <CoolApps> I thought that CTRL+ALT+F4 would just close a window. :P
[16:31] <CoolApps> All well, a reboot did the job anyway.
[16:31] <zykotick9> CoolApps: that will take you to VT #4
[16:31] <ocooel> bekks: As Ubuntu Advantage..?
[16:31] <kostkon> bekks, only for 10+ desktops, not for single ones anymore
[16:32] <bekks> kostkon: Ah ok, so they cancelled that.
[16:32] <kostkon> bekks, more or less
[16:32] <hseg> What about 12.04? Is that OK?
[16:33] <bekks> hseg: Yes.
[16:33] <wet88> check the keyboard
[16:33] <hseg> As in, it's still below the 702MB limit, right? Why on earth would they exceed that limit.
[16:33] <hseg> ?
[16:33] <khaotik> anyone have any luck with installing 13.10 dual boot on msata drive?
[16:33] <ocooel> bekks, where..?
[16:34] <CoolApps> What I did was went to the terminal, entered "setuid unity", Pressed CTRL+C which I shouldn't of done, did CTRL+ALT+F4, logged in, did "startx" and then unity was gone.
[16:34] <bekks> ocooel: where what?
[16:34] <CoolApps> A reboot fixed it after all that.
[16:34] <zykotick9> CoolApps: don't use startx
[16:34] <zykotick9> CoolApps: stop and start lightdm
[16:35] <CoolApps> Oh. :P
[16:35] <tolga> sa 512mb ram var xubuntu kurmama rağmen mouse imlecinde ve pencere arası geçişlerde donukluk yaşıyorum takas alanını 1.5 gb olarak belirledim
[16:35] <tolga> ne yapmam gerekiyor
[16:35] <ocooel> bekks, all I can find is http://www.canonical.com/enterprise-services/ubuntu-advantage/desktop
[16:35] <tonyt> ya what he said
[16:35] <CoolApps> Will it be "lightdm stop"?
[16:36] <bekks> ocooel: "1103 173157 < bekks> kostkon: Ah ok, so they cancelled that."
[16:36] <bekks> CoolApps: "sudo service lightdm stop"
[16:36] <zykotick9> CoolApps: someone else would need to answer.  i'm not sure what works best for ubuntu theses days...
[16:36] <fztor> I'm running a multiple monitor setup with nvidia and twinview, it creates the xorg.conf file for me (with the required metamodes). Somehow xorg REFUSES to use the xorg.conf file
[16:36] <ocooel> ok
[16:36] <CoolApps> Ok.
[16:36] <CoolApps> Awesome.
[16:37] <khaotik> I have been having a hell of a time getting this to work. My laptop has dual booting since Ive got it with no issues. Windows 7 and debian 7. I bought a msata to use for booting device so I can use hdd for storage, but cannot get linux to load. Just hangs at the grub screen. I have been searching all over forums to see if I can find the problem
[16:37] <CoolApps> I am just going to create a shell script to do all that...
[16:37] <MonkeyDust> khaotik  this is ubuntu support
[16:37] <khaotik> Yes I know. I am currently trying with ubuntu
[16:38] <fztor> khaotik: and the boot entry for windows works (boots)?
[16:38] <hseg> Does anyone know where I can find 12.04? All the mirrors up to now only host 12.04.3.
[16:38] <khaotik> No. just hangs on grub is loading screen
[16:39] <tonyt> hseg you check linux freedom's site ?
[16:39] <khaotik> I know the laptop hardware works fine with this as its the setup I had on HDD
[16:39] <khaotik> for some reason it is not liking the msata
[16:39] <hseg> Never heard of it
[16:39] <MonkeyDust> hseg  there's this, it has 12.04.2 http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/
[16:39] <adamu> khaotik: maybe have a look at your bios settings?
[16:40] <khaotik> install goes perfectly fine. Installs grub with no errors. upon reboot just hangs
[16:40] <CoolApps> So I can just use stop and start Lightdm service to restart Unity, right?
[16:40] <khaotik> My msata is first boot device. All legacy boot settings
[16:41] <fztor> khaotik: msata has nothing to do with it, it is an ordinary sata device as far as grub is concerned. Boot the installation cd and update your entries, the disk order is probably different
[16:41] <hseg> Odd. There are no release notes for 12.04.3
[16:41] <zykotick9> CoolApps: that restarts unity and everything else in the GUI!  it's very drastic, only needed in emergencies type thing.
[16:41] <zykotick9> CoolApps: but startx isn't going to work
[16:41] <CoolApps> Ah ok. -Zykotick
[16:41] <zykotick9> !tab | CoolApps
[16:42] <khaotik> I was reading some forum that my msata may be port1 and boot grub is looking to boot from port0?
[16:42] <CoolApps> Really? ubottu
[16:43] <zykotick9> CoolApps: ubottu is a BOT (not real) i sent you that message 'cause you failed in typing zykotick9 " -Zykotick" - and cause it's a PAIN to type!  zyk<TAB> ;)
[16:44] <CoolApps> So will it be safe to perform those commands in a command line environment? - zykotick9
[16:44] <fztor> khaotik: uhm ok, I might be wrong then. I'm not sure where you read that, might be worth a try to install in UEFI-mode if your laptop supports it
[16:44] <zykotick9> lol still fail ;)  it's "safe" if you want to restart EVERYTHING
[16:44] <hseg> OK, it seems the file is only 695MB large. thanks guys.
[16:45] <zykotick9> CoolApps: oh sorry, you got it!
[16:46] <CoolApps> What do you mean exactly?, by the way how do you mention someone like what you did? - zykotick9
[16:46] <jjavaholic> my indicator-datetime calendar is no longer keeping track of the days since 13.10 how can I diagnose what is going on wrong here?
[16:47] <zykotick9> CoolApps: the same way you just did - by using tab :)
[16:48] <CoolApps> I was thinking of how do you mention someone like "Username:". - zykotick9
[16:48] <auronandace> CoolApps: type their name first
[16:48] <zykotick9> CoolApps: sorry, i'm not following?
[16:49] <CoolApps> zykotick9, I think I got it now (thanks auronandace).
[16:50] <CoolApps> zykotick9, Do I stop and start the Lightdm service on the command line only environment?
[16:50] <Dannermax> Hi everyone. I have just installed ubuntu server 12.03 and wanted to mount my existing raid 5 array with mdadm and webmin. But i think i mounted it the wrong way, because i harddrive have failed. Now the server boots up and tells me that 1 harddrive is degraded, but i actually think its because i did it wrong. Can i reinstall the server and try over or would this make it worse?
[16:50] <CoolApps> Eh, not really working but all well.
[16:53] <zykotick9> CoolApps: what's not working?  any details?
[16:53] <CoolApps> Ok, I will log on has CoolApps2 on my Nexus 4 to continue talking.
[16:53] <etoile> y a des francais ici
[16:54] <zykotick9> !fr | etoile
[16:54] <CoolApps2> Ok, I'm in.
[16:54] <CoolApps2> Hang on.
[16:54] <Dannermax> Hi everyone. I have just installed ubuntu server 12.03 and wanted to mount my existing raid 5 array with mdadm and webmin. But i think i mounted it the wrong way, because i harddrive have failed. Now the server boots up and tells me that 1 harddrive is degraded, but i actually think its because i did it wrong. Can i reinstall the server and try over or would this make it worse?
[16:55] <zykotick9> CoolApps2: can I ask, what command are you using?
[16:56] <bekks> !webmin | Dannermax
[16:56] <john______> I'm trying to customize gedit as a php ide. I downloaded a .xml file and as I was told run the command "gconftool-2 --load=gedit_php_highlight.xml /apps/gedit-2/preferences/syntax_highlighting/PHP" on the terminal, nothing seems to happen, it is suppose to highlight texts
[16:56] <john______> here's the website: http://www.micahcarrick.com/gedit-html-editor.html
[16:57] <aschmitz> john______, Have you restarted gedit?
[16:57] <jeca> .
[16:57] <john______> aschmitz: yes
[16:57] <john______> aschmitz:  I tried typing <?php phpinfo(); ?> but no highlights whatsoever
[16:57] <Dannermax> ubottu: it is? Well i just dont know what to do now. I think the array is okay, but my server is in recovery mode.. what would you suggest i do now?
[16:58] <zykotick9> !bot
[16:58] <likyng> hi guys
[16:58] <likyng> could anyone say my name so that i can see what the highlighting of the client looks like :D
[16:58] <jmgk> likyng,
[16:59] <aschmitz> Dannermax: You can remove the "failed" drive and try adding it to the array and rebalancing it, if you're okay rebalancing with one drive missing. (Small chance of losing data if you haven't scrubbed recently or a drive fails while it's going on.)
[16:59] <likyng> ty
[17:00] <dangerousdave> can someone explain the line "openssl x509 -noout -text -in storedcertificate.pem" from here http://www.macfreek.nl/memory/Install_CA_Certificates
[17:00] <dangerousdave> whats it supposed to do?
[17:01] <aschmitz> dangerousdave: It's supposed to give information about the certificate in a readable format.
[17:01] <dangerousdave> aschmitz: ok, interesting, thanks
[17:02] <CoolApps2> Back.
[17:02] <pip__> how is Ubuntu GNOME playing with fglrx drivers at the moment?
[17:02] <Dannermax> aschmitz: ok. but if webmin is not supported by ubuntu, is there another GUI i could use?
[17:03] <dangerousdave> aschmitz: so this line creates the file? "echo "" | openssl s_client -showcerts -connect kwek.macfreek.nl:443"
[17:03] <CoolApps2> I am using "sudo service start lightdm"
[17:03] <CoolApps2> Also stop.
[17:03] <Dannermax> aschmidz: And, would it be ok, if i reinstall my previous system where the raid array worked?
[17:03] <aschmitz> Dannermax: I'm not aware of any officially supported GUIs that do the same things that webmin does, but there might be some. I suspect that's not related to your RAID issues at the moment, though.
[17:03] <CoolApps2> Stop goes first.
[17:03] <pip__> Ubuntu GNOME 13.10 that is
[17:04] <CoolApps> Okay, back on this netbook.
[17:04] <aschmitz> dangerousdave: That should output a bunch of certificates, and then it expects you to copy one block of certificate text into "storedcertificate.pem"
[17:04] <dangerousdave> aschmitz: i see, thanks
[17:04] <CoolApps> zykotick9, I am using "sudo service stop lightdm"
[17:05] <Dannermax> aschmidz: Because i think the array failed because i clicked on something i shouldent have done.. perhaps if i reinstall my previous system the raid array will be onay?
[17:06] <CoolApps> I am going to improve the shell script but this is what it is so far:
[17:06] <CoolApps> sudo service start lightdm
[17:06] <CoolApps> sudo service stop lightdm
[17:06] <CoolApps> Oops.
[17:07] <CoolApps> It is actually...
[17:07] <aschmitz> Dannermax: Well, it depends on how much you care about the data that's there. If you don't need it, then you should be fine reinstalling. I haven't used webmin in probably about 8 years, so I don't really know what it's like these days.
[17:07] <CoolApps> #!/bin/bash
[17:07] <CoolApps> sudo service stop lightdm
[17:07] <CoolApps> sudo service start lightdm
[17:08] <tnzr> hi guys.. if I want to make a bootable USB liveCD, is it possible to also include extra files on it for booting a machine that is not connected to the internet?
[17:08] <CoolApps> zykotick9, That is the shell script so far.
[17:08] <tnzr> would I just make another partition on the USB drive?
[17:08] <adamu> CoolApps, I would change service to /usr/sbin/service
[17:08] <zykotick9> CoolApps: re-scripts, sorta.  there is also "sudo service restart lightdm" or should be.
[17:09] <adamu> CoolApps, and sudo to /usr/bin/sudo
[17:09] <Ziber> Can someone explain to me how resolvconf works? 127.0.1.1 doesn't tell me what my nameservers actually are...
[17:10] <CoolApps> How would I do the service one?
[17:10] <Raymii> A developer was trying to be funny... He has an openvz VM, did this: "mkdir a; while true; do mv a a.tmp; mkdir a; mv a.tmp a/; done". It now has a lot of subfolders, which when removing give an OOM error and let RM crash. Even as root from the host system I cannot remove the folder. Any help? A live CD also does not work...
[17:11] <Dannermax> ashcmitz: i do care. but thank for the support
[17:12] <CoolApps> How to make Ubuntu unbootable: sudo rm /initrd.* Raymii
[17:12] <CoolApps> :P
[17:13] <zykotick9> !danger
[17:13] <Raymii> CoolApps -_-'
[17:13] <Raymii> CoolApps You know some noob will copy and run that command...
[17:13] <aschmitz> tnzr: You should be able to boot a machine that's not connected to the Internet anyway.
[17:13] <CoolApps> Yeah... :S - Raymii
[17:14] <CoolApps> I don't see why anyone would run such thing anyway even though it was stated what it can do. :p
[17:14] <CoolApps> Anyway...
[17:14] <aschmitz> Dannermax: If it's still booting in a degraded state, the "correct" thing to do from here would probably be to back up the data on it, try removing the drive it thinks is failed, and try adding it again as a "new" drive (if you think the drive is actually still good).
[17:15] <aschmitz> Dannermax: I can try to give suggestions on how to do that if you want, or if you're comfortable doing that yourself, that's fine too.
[17:15] <CoolApps> So I have set the first line to "#!/usr/bin/sudo".
[17:16] <bekks> CoolApps: No. Thats nonsense.
[17:16] <aschmitz> Raymii: Which filesystem?
[17:16] <CoolApps> Ok, I will change it back. - bekks
[17:16] <Raymii> aschmitz ext4 with extended attributes and noatime
[17:16] <zykotick9> CoolApps: don't use sudo in a #! line.
[17:17] <CoolApps> Ah, I see. :P - zykotick9
[17:17] <zykotick9> CoolApps: run your script as sudo is one option!
[17:17] <lapion> hmm I have 2 dvb adaptors connected to my system, but both device instances point to the same physical card..
[17:17] <lapion> this is really annoying
[17:17] <kalakadsn> hello everybody, anyone who is using KDE here, my system takes 45 seconds to boot to ubuntu UNity and  65 seconds to boot to KDE, both have either desktop effects enabled or not, take same time, disabled almost all applications from autostart and startup application which i don't want and which i think safe to disable
[17:17] <kalakadsn> why is that
[17:17] <kalakadsn> i want to boot to kde faster
[17:18] <CoolApps> Ok, now the first line is "/usr/bin/sudo"
[17:18] <bekks> CoolApps: Thats nonsense.
[17:18] <lapion> kalakadsn, unity cuts corners, continues starting processes while the desktop is allready running..
[17:18] <Dannermax> aschmitz: Yes please.. i would really apprechiate it. Actually, could i unmount the raid and try mounting it again?
[17:18] <bekks> CoolApps: Do not use sudo as the script interpreter. Use your shell. #!/bin/bash e.g.
[17:18] <CoolApps> Whats nonsense now? - bekks
[17:18] <aschmitz> Raymii: Only thing I can think of would be to recurse into the directories until you stop, then start backing out and removing them. I'm guessing it could be done in a script.
[17:18] <hitsujiTMO> erm ... using sudo as a shell?
[17:19] <lapion> while kde wait nicely till all  processes have started
[17:19] <Raymii> aschmitz I tried with a perl script, but it cannot go deep enough...
[17:19] <Dannermax> aschmitz: I have probably mounted choosing the right filesystem..
[17:19] <CoolApps> I know that but I keep on getting told that I have to use sudo. 0.o
[17:19] <aschmitz> Raymii: Heh, figures.
[17:19] <kalakadsn> lapion: i also noticed one thing, login sound plays after a dealy in KDE
[17:20] <aschmitz> Dannermax: Well, you could try rebooting, which will remount the RAID, but I'd make doubly sure you have backups before you do anything else, if you can.
[17:20] <lorundrik> CoolApps, you invoke the sudo on the second line with the command you want to run
[17:20] <kalakadsn> lapion: i got  a completely usable system, without any moving cursor on unity within 45 seconds, and why it cannot be improved in KDE, any idea
[17:20] <Raymii> aschmitz Any other ideas? Or is a reinstall the only solution?
[17:21] <lorundrik> 1. #!/bin/bash   2. sudo apt-get update (example)
[17:21] <lapion> kalakadsn, why does KDE have more customisable functionality ?
[17:21] <Dannermax> aschmitz: So im apprehensive about doing anything with the raid because i think its mounted the wrong way. A reboot does not help. im in initframs - sort of command line now
[17:21] <CoolApps> So join that binary execution command to that command? - lorundrik
[17:21] <aschmitz> Raymii: Any idea how long that was running? I have to imagine that it's possible to get cleared up.
[17:21] <manmath> Hi
[17:21] <Ari-Yang> [12:02:47] <pip__> how is Ubuntu GNOME playing with fglrx drivers at the moment? ---> fglrx is terrible, it has terrible 2d acceleration
[17:21] <aschmitz> Dannermax: Ah, initramfs. Okay. I thought it was just mounting degraded.
[17:22] <kalakadsn> lapion: i want my system to be blazing fast to show off to windows users
[17:22] <CoolApps> So should the first line "#!/bin/bash" still have "#!"?
[17:22] <lorundrik> Yea
[17:22] <Raymii> aschmitz The perl script ran for 3 hours, trying to cd into a folder, rm it, if unsuccessful go deeper and try again...
[17:23] <kalakadsn> lapion: I made KDE look like windows, approximately, in looks and feel, for windows users not to feel odd while moving to linux
[17:23] <CoolApps> Ok so now it is like this:
[17:23] <CoolApps> Line 1: #!/bin/bash
[17:23] <lapion> try lxde
[17:23] <CoolApps> Line 2: /usr/bin/sudo service start lightdm
[17:24] <hitsujiTMO> kalakadsn: use dwm then :P But really, if you're hardware is that slow, a few tweaks here and there isn't going to improve things terribly.
[17:24] <lorundrik> Line 2: sudo service lightdm start
[17:24] <kalakadsn> lapion: no lxde is fast but not customizable like KDE, i found KDE more easy to use than GNOME or Unity
[17:24] <zykotick9> lorundrik: +1
[17:24] <CoolApps> Line 3: /usr/bin/sudo service start lightdm
[17:24] <Gatak> Hi. Just installed Ubuntu for the first time ever:)  Is it possible to scan for CIFS shares with the default file manager? I can only see a linux samba share, but no other windows desktops' shares.
[17:24] <CoolApps> Line 2 was suppose to be "stop". :P
[17:24] <lorundrik> CoolApps, skip the /usr/bin/sudo
[17:25] <aschmitz> Raymii: Perhaps "while [ -d a ]; do cd a; done; cd ..; while [ -d a ]; do rmdir a; cd ..; done" ? (Should go until there are no more subdirectories named a, then back up and rmdir a and repeat until there isn't a directory named a.)
[17:25] <kalakadsn> hitsujiTMO: Hardware is okay okay, performing well on UNITY
[17:25] <lapion> kalakadsn, try gnome-flashback
[17:25] <lorundrik> CoolApps, only, Line 2: sudo service lightdm start
[17:25] <Raymii> aschmitz Thanks! I'm going to try it.
[17:25] <bludonnaku> what do i type in terminal to add a new standard user (not administrator)?
[17:25] <aschmitz> Raymii: That should also not remove directories with files in them, in case there are any.
[17:25] <kalakadsn> gnome-flashback or fallback?
[17:25] <jhutchins_wk>     bludonnaku adduser
[17:25] <CoolApps> Oops, the shell script has it right but I got it wrong. :P
[17:25] <zykotick9> bludonnaku: "sudo adduser fooname"
[17:26] <Dannermax> aschmitz: when it boots up it tells me the raid is degraded and it defaults to a command line.. So what can i do now? Can i unmount it..and mount it the correct way.. perhaps this will solve it?
[17:26] <kalakadsn> lapion: gnome flashback or fallback
[17:26] <bludonnaku> is that automatically a standard user without privileges?
[17:26] <lapion> flashback is the new name for the closest to the original gnome2 on gnome3 desktop
[17:26] <jhutchins_wk> CoolApps: Rather than using the service script to call the init script to call the service daemon, why not either call the init script or the daemon explicitly?
[17:26] <CoolApps> Shall I make it "sudo service lightdm restart"?
[17:26] <kalakadsn> what do i want really to improve startup time, without comprising the looks, because same things are working in unity with enabled water effects, splash etc
[17:27] <zykotick9> bludonnaku: yes.  and not adduser is NOT the same as useradd.
[17:27] <lorundrik> CoolApps, you can do that as well
[17:27] <lapion> kalakadsn, just install gnome-panel
[17:27] <bludonnaku> what's the difference?
[17:27] <zykotick9> bludonnaku: useradd is manual everything, doesn't create a "regular" ubuntu user OOTB
[17:28] <bludonnaku> OOTB ?
[17:28] <kalakadsn> it is already installed
[17:28] <zykotick9> out of the box
[17:28] <CoolApps> How will I do that? - jhutchins_wk
[17:28] <zykotick9> bludonnaku: sorry
[17:28] <bludonnaku> ah ok :)
[17:28] <bludonnaku> what about the password, dont i need to specify a password for it?
[17:28] <jhutchins_wk> CoolApps: /etc/init.d/<service> or read that script and see what it does and how.
[17:28] <kalakadsn> lapion: it is also fast, but KDEEE is what i like to improve
[17:28] <zykotick9> bludonnaku: it'll prompt you for it ;)
[17:29] <bludonnaku> in terminal or at first log in ?
[17:29] <zykotick9> bludonnaku: during adduser
[17:29] <CoolApps> Like "/etc/init.d/service lightdm restart"? - jhutchins
[17:30] <john_______> I'm new to ubuntu, I tried google-ing articleso n how to make gedit a full blown php IDE but I'm getting nowhere, can anyone assist me with this please
[17:30] <zykotick9> CoolApps: service is there so you don't need to write a script like this...
[17:30] <aschmitz> Dannermax: Do you have any information about why it might not be being mounted "the correct way?" What does the "md0" (or md[N]) line of "cat /proc/mdstat" say?
[17:30] <bludonnaku> ok thankyou. last question: what is the name of the gui tool to manage users in lubuntu? (exact name of package) i am looking for the lxde equivalent of gnome-system-tools
[17:30] <CoolApps> The shift feature just cutted off the "_wk" part. :P
[17:30] <jhutchins> CoolApps: No, /etc/init.d/lightdm restart
[17:30] <kalakadsn> john_______: install geany
[17:31] <CoolApps> Ah ok. - jhutchins
[17:31] <zykotick9> jhutchins: init.d is the old sysv method, i'm not sure that's the best suggestion in ubuntu theses days!
[17:31] <jhutchins> CoolApps: for commands you can do "which <command>" to find the full path.
[17:31] <lorundrik> have to agree wutg zykotick9
[17:31] <lorundrik> with*
[17:31] <Dannermax> aschmitz: just a sec
[17:31] <jhutchins> zykotick9: It's still where the majority of scripts are, and I don't think "service" looks anywhere else.
[17:31] <kalakadsn> lapion: why chrome on linux is slow than chrome on windows, and how to improve that, i am using only one add-on and which is same in both the cases(ADBLCOK)
[17:32] <hitsujiTMO> kalakadsn: btw, have you tried asking in #kde I'm sure they'd have a better idea of tweaking kde
[17:32] <john_______> kalakadsn:  I'm planning to use vim, but since I'm not quite comfortable with it yet, I mean I'm still on the process of learning, I'll be using another IDE. I'll try geany though, thanks
[17:32] <CoolApps> On the IRC or the command interpretor? - jhutchins
[17:32] <zykotick9> jhutchins: i certainly don't want to argue it ;)  just wanted to include my 2 cents with my "i'm not sure..."
[17:32] <kalakadsn> hitsujiTMO: thanks, for providing the channel
[17:32] <alpharender_> john_______, check out vimtutor?
[17:33] <hitsujiTMO> john_______: sublime text is what all the cool kids use
[17:33] <mojtaba> Hi, My laptop shutdown when I was not in front of it due to lack of battery. But now when I search in the dash any application, It does not show any result! Does anybody know what should I do?
[17:33] <ytrezq> john_______: Gvim is for you!!!!
[17:33] <kalakadsn> john_______: it is easy to learn, it is lightweight and you will love it
[17:33] <alpharender_> I like... :gasp: .. aptana
[17:33] <john_______> ytrezq: As I said, I'm still trying to learn it. Hehehe
[17:33] <bludonnaku> last question: what is the name of the gui tool to manage users in lubuntu? (exact name of package) i am looking for the lxde equivalent of gnome-system-tools
[17:34] <john_______> alpharender_: I'm watching video tutorials though instead of reading the tutorial itself
[17:34] <CoolApps> Line 1: #!/bin/bash
[17:34] <CoolApps> Line 2: /etc/init.d/lightdm restart
[17:34] <kalakadsn> john_______: it has feature of code highlighting, auto completion and better than gedit
[17:34] <alpharender_> cool
[17:34] <mojtaba> I have set the results in the filters.
[17:34] <CoolApps> Thats the end of that, is that ok?
[17:35] <bekks> CoolApps: Why do you need a script for that single command?
[17:35] <lorundrik> CoolApps, give it a go!
[17:35] <mojtaba> Hi, My laptop shutdown when I was not in front of it due to lack of battery. But now when I search in the dash any application, It does not show any result! Does anybody know what should I do?
[17:35] <phenylanine> hi everyone. I have a non-technical question, I hope it is appropriate to ask here.
[17:35] <phenylanine> I was wondering if Ubuntu 13.x was based on Debian 7's codebase
[17:35] <Dannermax> aschmitz: from grob i tried cat /proc/mdstat but it sais fine not found
[17:35] <john_______> I have customized my gedit a lot, is there any way I can reset any chnges I made to it?
[17:36] <bludonnaku> looks like it's users-admin. ok thanks
[17:36] <CoolApps> Good point, I just want it to look a bit fancy with some echo commands along with it. :P - bekks
[17:36] <zykotick9> CoolApps: scripts of 1 line of body are of minimal value.  "history" is helpful in those cases, you can search your history like "history | grep -i lightdm"
[17:36] <jhutchins> phenylanine: I think these days ubuntu tends to feed directly from the upstream developers rather than working through Debian.
[17:36] <Dannermax> perhaps, i could try and install my previous debian OS on a thumb stick and see if the raid is degraded there?
[17:36] <Dannermax> aschmitz:perhaps, i could try and install my previous debian OS on a thumb stick and see if the raid is degraded there?
[17:37] <aschmitz> Dannermax: Perhaps. You could try, anyway.
[17:37] <phenylanine> jhutchins: since what version of Ubuntu (and Debian), relying on mostly (or a significant proportions) Debian had stopped, you think?
[17:37] <CoolApps> So how I will make up all those lines?, well I will add echo commands including the "e" flag.
[17:37] <mojtaba> Hi, My laptop shutdown when I was not in front of it due to lack of battery. But now when I search in the dash any application, It does not show any result! Does anybody know what should I do?
[17:38] <zykotick9> phenylanine: i'd think ubuntu is still 80+% unmodified debian, myself.  but i certainly don't have anything to back that up.
[17:38] <jhutchins> phenylanine: I couldn't tell you but I'm sure it's documented on the web site pretty well.  It was really only the first few releases that relied on Debian directly.
[17:38] <ytrezq> john_______: Gvim is a terminal emulator where you can use only vim. This just you have a special bar on the window for sending vim command  http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/4134/gvim.png
[17:39] <CoolApps> This is like the first time I made a shell script with only one useful command and thats it. :P
[17:39] <zykotick9> jhutchins: what?  perhaps only the first few where compatible, but ubuntu has always pulled most of there stuff from debian testing/sid.  that hasn't changed.
[17:39] <phenylanine> jhutchins, zykotick9: thank you both. ;-)
[17:39] <jhutchins> zykotick9: Unity?
[17:39] <jhutchins> zykotick9: wayland?
[17:39] <john_______> ytrezq: I already installed Gvim, and it is not configured yet. It looks crappy compared to that one
[17:40] <bludonnaku> verylast question: where are the official (i mean good and up-to-date) instructions on how to migrate from EVOLUTION to THUNDERBIRD?
[17:40] <zykotick9> jhutchins: +mir and whatever else "canonical" adds, but those are still little pieces in the big picture.  ubuntu has lots of "debian" underneith
[17:40] <someguy> Hi, what filesystem does Ubuntu 12.04 LTS use? ext4?
[17:41] <kostkon> someguy, y
[17:41] <CoolApps> Feels cheesy just to do one command apart from echoing output but its something, it must of felt cheesy because it will be just like creating some script with only one line for you to read. :P
[17:41] <someguy> kostkon: thanks
[17:41] <kalakadsn> someguy:ext4 and ext3 both are supported and can be used
[17:41] <kostkon> someguy, by default that is.
[17:43] <zykotick9> phenylanine: on ubuntu 13.XX get people to run "cat /etc/debian_version" i don't have any ubuntu installs to test with.
[17:43] <phenylanine> zykotick9: ah that's excellent. I will try it later!
[17:43] <someguy> ok, how do I find out which one its using ?
[17:44] <phenylanine> thank you very much zykotick9
[17:45] <aschmitz> Is anybody familiar with dm and luks at startup? I have several partitions that are encrypted, but it seems to be moving on trying to boot after only two of them are decrypted, and then fails to boot.
[17:46] <aschmitz> (This is a fresh install, I have not gotten it to work in this configuration before, so it's not like something broke.)
[17:48] <mojtaba> Hi, My laptop shutdown when I was not in front of it due to lack of battery. But now when I search in the dash any application, It does not show any result! Does anybody know what should I do?
[17:48] <kgalahassa> Hi! how can i recover a deleted file?
[17:48] <kgalahassa> on ubuntu
[17:48] <bludonnaku> where are the official (or just good and up-to-date) instructions on how to migrate from EVOLUTION to THUNDERBIRD?
[17:48] <jhutchins> kgalahassa: Restore it from your backup.
[17:49] <jhutchins> bludonnaku: I don't know of any, but mozilla.org might have some.  (Although why they would care about evolution I don't know.)
[17:50] <kgalahassa> no, I do not have backup, or i don't understand , right i've deleted definetely my file and i wanna make a recovery
[17:50] <bludonnaku> looking there but they dont seem up-to-date for evolution
[17:50] <Gatak> are there any catalyst drivers for ubuntu 13.10?
[17:50] <bludonnaku> but thanks
[17:50] <jhutchins> mojtaba: Read the documentation for the desktop environment you have (Unity?) and figure out what the indexing service is, see what it takes to re-start it.
[17:50] <jhutchins> mojtaba: You may want to check your filesystem for errors as well.
[17:50] <Gatak> Can't seem to find any, and the catalyst manual download cant build a package - complains about missing dpkg-buildpackage
[17:51] <mojtaba> jhutchins: Could you please give me more details? ( I ma using ubuntu 13.10), newbie. :)
[17:51] <kgalahassa> jhutchins: no, I do not have backup, or i don't understand , right i've deleted definetely my file and i wanna make a recovery
[17:51] <aschmitz> Gatak: There are probably dependencies you're missing. For example, dpkg-buildpackage is in dpkg-dev.
[17:51] <Gatak> aschmitz, thanks!
[17:52] <CoolApps> The script had an issue.
[17:52] <jhutchins> mojtaba: Sorry, I am not familiar with the details of the current Ubuntu desktops.
[17:52] <CoolApps> Doing it directly to init caused a black screen with an underscore.
[17:52] <aschmitz> kgalahassa: Do you know which filesystem you are using? If not, do you know when you most recently did a full install of Ubuntu on that computer?
[17:53] <mojtaba> jhutchins: ok, thanks
[17:53] <CoolApps> If I run it just with the shell then it will do what it should do.
[17:53] <mojtaba> Does anybody know how can I re-index my desktop (ubuntu 13.10) and check my disks for errors?
[17:53] <kgalahassa> aschmitz: this one /dev/sda5,
[17:53] <dangerousdave> anyone have experience of openSSL? where do I put self signed certificates so they can be picked up?
[17:53] <jhutchins> CoolApps: Compare what the script does with what happens from the command line.  It may be waiting for input or something.
[17:54] <aschmitz> kgalahassa: Er, sorry, I meant more like, ext2, ext4, btrfs, etc.
[17:54] <jhutchins> mojtaba: To check the disk, sudo shutdown -Fr now
[17:54] <CoolApps> I can type stuff to it but pressing enter just puts it into a new line like nothing is executing. - jhutchins
[17:54] <wafflejock> !fdisk | mojtaba
[17:54] <mojtaba> jhutchins: have you check that before?
[17:54] <kgalahassa> aschmitz , it' s ext4
[17:54] <wafflejock> oh really no fdisk come on ubottu
[17:55] <wafflejock> !fsck | mojtaba
[17:55] <CoolApps> I had to do CTRL+ALT+F4 and execute the command without using the init part and then it worked just fine. - jhutchins
[17:56] <wafflejock> !ssl | dangerousdave
[17:56] <wafflejock> lame
[17:56] <mojtaba> wafflejock: Can I use fsck without unmounting the disks?
[17:56] <mz`> NO !
[17:56] <bekks> mojtaba: TEchnically, you can. Practically, that will destroy your filesystem.
[17:57] <wafflejock> CoolApps: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/articles/how-to-create-a-ssl-certificate-on-apache-for-ubuntu-12-04
[17:57] <wafflejock> mojtaba: yeah not recommended
[17:57] <mojtaba> bekks: wafflejock: Thank you very much.
[17:57] <kgalahassa> aschmitz , it' s ext4
[17:57] <aschmitz> kgalahassa: So unfortunately there's not a particularly easy way to recover deleted files (assuming they're not in your trash). I have had success with R-Studio: http://www.r-tt.com/data_recovery_linux/Download.shtml but it's not free. There is a trial that will let you recover files up to 64k for free, and preview more, though.
[17:57] <wafflejock> mojtaba: better off running of LiveCD or just flagging it to happen during reboot
[17:57] <wafflejock> mojtaba: np
[17:57] <Gatak> hmm dependency stuff again :( what a PITA.... I thought pre-packaged stuff had progressed further!... perhaps I should use Gentoo instead ;)
[17:57] <mojtaba> wafflejock:  Do you know how can I re-index my desktop (ubuntu 13.10) and check my disks for errors?
[17:58] <mojtaba> wafflejock: ignore the last part
[17:58] <mojtaba> I am searching in unity, but nothing shows up.
[17:58] <wafflejock> mojtaba: not sure what you mean by re-index are you using nepomuk....
[17:58] <wafflejock> ah unity
[17:59] <acer_test> ciao
[17:59] <CoolApps> Wrong user, kind of irreverent to what is going on here. - wafflejock
[17:59] <mojtaba> wafflejock: My laptop shutdown suddenly due to lack of battery, and now when I am searching for example for firefox, nothing show up in the results. (no application)
[18:00] <aschmitz> mojtaba: Just to make sure, you're giving it a few seconds after you type, and you've selected the "home" or "applications" lens?
[18:00] <wafflejock> mojtaba: http://askubuntu.com/questions/39405/deeper-unity-search-indexing not sure about that one... been off Unity for a few months
[18:00] <CoolApps> Try refreshing the index by upgrading apps with "apt-get upgrade". - mojtaba
[18:00] <mojtaba> aschmitz: application, yes, I have wait.
[18:00] <aschmitz> mojtaba: I had accidentally selected a different lens once, just figured I'd make sure.
[18:00] <wafflejock> CoolApps: indeed sorry meant dangerousdave https://www.digitalocean.com/community/articles/how-to-create-a-ssl-certificate-on-apache-for-ubuntu-12-04
[18:00] <chris__> Hey there everyone
[18:00] <wafflejock> CoolApps: sorry do that a lot on IRC
[18:01] <wilee-nilee> mojtaba, look up a reset for compiz and unity on the net it changed from 12.04 to 13.10
[18:01] <CoolApps> Yeah... - wafflejock
[18:01] <mojtaba> wilee-nilee: ok, thanks
[18:01] <mojtaba> Thank you all
[18:01] <BetaSoul> Can I Get a touch of help troubleshooting a peice of hardware.
[18:02] <dangerousdave> wafflejock: thanks, but this is for apache, not openssl (i think)
[18:02] <wafflejock> !ask | BetaSoul
[18:02] <BetaSoul> Sorry, I'm tired and when I'm tired, I Get overly polite.
[18:03] <BrianH> Any graphic driver experts out there, particularly Nvidia?
[18:03] <BetaSoul> Anyways, trying to get a TP-LINK TL-WDN3800 working on 13.04, its listed as connected but unclaime.d
[18:03] <wilee-nilee> BetaSoul, That's funny like the nice drinker, 1 in a million.
[18:03] <wafflejock> dangerousdave: covers making the SSL certificate and getting it setup with Apache what are you using SSL for if not Apache?
[18:03] <aschmitz> dangerousdave: What are you trying to do? (OpenSSL itself doesn't actually store any certificates.)
[18:04] <BrianH> I have a GT240 and been testing the different driver versions.  Anything I can do to maximize my card's potential?
[18:04] <BetaSoul> wilee-nilee: Yep.
[18:04] <CoolApps> Somehow I can tell that "ubottu" is a bot by its name which is a cross over with Ubuntu, haha...
[18:04] <daftykins> BetaSoul: what exactly about this - i assume router - doesn't appear to be working?
[18:04] <dangerousdave> wafflejock: the openSSL library which is used by a ruby pplication to scan mailboxes
[18:04] <ubukou> im trying to set a dual head wallpaper to my desktop but this guide ( http://dotcadot.ca/articles/using-multi-monitor-dual-head-wallpapers-xfce )  makes the wallpaper streched and i cannot change the style of the wallpaper. i realize this has to do with xfce, but noone there seems to know.
[18:04] <BetaSoul> daftykins: Not router, wireless PCI-E card in a desktop.
[18:05] <daftykins> oh i see
[18:05] <daftykins> that makes more sense as to how the OS is at fault
[18:05] <BetaSoul> Exactly.
[18:05] <ubukou> is there something i should add to the string to make it work. btw im using twinview i think so maybe that seems to have something to do with it.
[18:05] <daftykins> BetaSoul: so you see an interface, you see a wireless network...?
[18:05] <CoolApps> When I get those missing components in the status bar I will use that script...
[18:05] <aschmitz> dangerousdave: Are you using the raw openssl gem, or another one on top of that?
[18:05] <BrianH> BetaSoul: http://wikidevi.com/wiki/TP-LINK_TL-WDN3800
[18:06] <dangerousdave> aschmitz: using raw gem
[18:06] <wafflejock> dangerousdave: aschmitz will have to help you here no ruby experience
[18:06] <ubukou> weird thing is that when i try to change the style of the preinstalled wallpapers it seems to work .
[18:06] <BrianH> BetaSoul: use the ath9k drivers, it's an Atheros chipset card.
[18:06] <dangerousdave> wafflejock: ok, thanks for help so far
[18:06] <aschmitz> dangerousdave: So are you just trying to verify the certificate on the other end, or provide your own client certificate?
[18:06] <BetaSoul> BrainH: Hrm, I'll have ot try those again. LAst time they didn't work.
[18:07] <dangerousdave> aschmitz: (disclaimer: i am a noob with all this certificate stuff) trying to provide my own client certificate
[18:08] <pip> Hey guys. I just installed Ubuntu 13.10 64-bit, and I'm having trouble installing the driver for my ATI Radeon HD3450
[18:09] <aschmitz> dangerousdave: Something like http://www.spacevatican.org/2009/7/11/ruby-openssl-and-client-side-certificates/ might work for you, assuming you already have the client certificate. (Note that not many things require *client* certificates, so make sure that's actually what you need.)
[18:09] <Ari-Yang> pip: what driver?
[18:09] <pip> I tried to run  amd-driver-installer-catalyst-13.1-legacy-linux-x86.x86_64.run and it gives me an error saying I don't have all the tools. I go to the .log file it sends me to, it tells me this -- fglrx installation requires that the system have kernel headers.  /lib/modules/3.11.0-12-generic/build/include/linux/version.h cannot be found on this system. -- but when I apt-get install, it says Its already at the latest version
[18:09] <acer_test> ciao
[18:10] <acer_test> sn novello
[18:10] <dangerousdave> aschmitz: thanks, all i know is that "SSL_CERT_FILE=/blah/blah/certificate.crt" makes my ruby application using openssl gem work, but i want a more permanent solution.
[18:11] <john_______> Can someone help me apply the theme I've downloaded to geany. I'm trying to follow the instructions given by this website: http://code.google.com/p/geany-dark-scheme/wiki/InstallGuide
[18:11] <john_______> nothing happens though
[18:13] <pip> any help?
[18:13] <daftykins> pip: have you been pointed toward the ATI driver guides?
[18:13] <daftykins> *AMD
[18:14] <daftykins> such a bad habit that :/ heh
[18:14] <Ari-Yang> !fglrx | pip
[18:14] <daftykins> Ari-Yang: nice defeating the purpose of me asking, there
[18:14] <aschmitz> dangerousdave: Ah, okay. You may be looking for OpenSSL::X509::Store. Does the documentation at the top of http://www.ruby-doc.org/stdlib-2.0.0/libdoc/openssl/rdoc/OpenSSL/X509/Store.html help?
[18:15] <pip> Ari-Yang :"Event not found"
[18:15] <suyash1629> can anyone help me to setup android build environment??
[18:15] <Ari-Yang> daftykins: might as well link instead of asking :b
[18:15] <Ari-Yang> pip: huh? it loads for me
[18:15] <Ari-Yang> pip: and this is the page you want https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[18:15] <dangerousdave> aschmitz: thanks, will try!
[18:16] <daftykins> suyash1629: no, that has nothing to do with supporting ubuntu. sorry. try an android channel if one exists, or simply read the guides on the android site
[18:16] <pip> I'll check the link out, thanks
[18:16] <suyash1629> daftkins: well thanks
[18:17] <pip> but yeah, Ari-Yang, pip@pipubuntu-pc:~$ !fglrx | pip
[18:17] <pip> bash: !fglrx: event not found
[18:17] <CoolApps> Bye.
[18:17] <Ari-Yang> pip: k
[18:21] <earthling_> Anyone know the shortcut for showing all windows on a current workspace in 12.04 running Unity 2d?
[18:24] <hawkeee> Hello
[18:25] <ytrezq> Hello, There are big problems with the qemu-user-static packages (I've tried all version including stable). When I use qemu-mips-static (even without binfmt), certain mips program make incorect computes. for example using '4 * _exp(-0.5)/_srqt(2.0)' make python complaining about div by 0. When I ask time of subprograms to gcc with -time, it print nan serveral times (nan~=not a number). Many programs simply crash. I've
[18:25] <ytrezq> tested the rootfs on real hardware. May someone can help please (2 times)?
[18:25] <hawkeee> I have a netbook and the keyboard was working perfectly fine now is not
[18:25] <hawkeee> Missing some keys
[18:25] <hawkeee> :(
[18:26] <bekks> hawkeee: So what have you done between "working" and "not working", using which Ubuntu?
[18:26] <hawkeee> i believ im on 10.4
[18:27] <wafflejock> hawkeee: why not upgraded?
[18:27] <hawkeee> will that solve my issue
[18:27] <hawkeee> ?
[18:28] <hawkeee> or make it worst
[18:28] <hawkeee> 10.10
[18:28] <wilee-nilee> hawkeee, If you are running 10.04 with a desktop it is end of life and not supported, are you aware of release times and ends?
[18:29] <wilee-nilee> 10.10 either
[18:29] <wafflejock> hawkeee: yeah it's just very in the past
[18:29] <hawkeee> ;/
[18:30] <wafflejock> hawkeee: in linux time at least... you'd just be more likely to get a fix with up to date software... will still try to help
[18:30] <fr1tz3d> no
[18:30] <wafflejock> hawkeee: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1793250
[18:31] <wafflejock> hawkeee: basically only things I could see being wrong are wrong keyboard layout configured which the forum there should help with... or else hardware failure... possibly disconnect reconnect keyboard (even with laptops this usually isn't terribly difficult matter of popping off part and taking out a couple of screws, just have to be careful with the cables
[18:32] <wafflejock> )
[18:32] <hawkeee> waffle thats what i tought it was
[18:32] <hawkeee> im thinking for of a misconfiguration then a hardware failure
[18:32] <hawkeee> but ill give the link a try thats something i havent done
[18:34] <wilee-nilee> Thank goodness for the enablers to just make everyones life more difficult than it should be.
[18:35] <wilee-nilee> self serving idiots
[18:35] <ytrezq> Again: How I can get the mips target working in the qemu-user-static dpkg?
[18:37] <DrGrov> Hello.
[18:37] <wafflejock> !hi | DrGrov
[18:39] <DrGrov> wafflejock: Have you used VLC a lot in transcoding in 13.10?
[18:39] <wafflejock> negative on 13.04
[18:39] <wafflejock> transcoding?
[18:40] <wafflejock> DrGrov: http://www.ffmpeg.org/
[18:41] <DrGrov> wafflejock: Ah sorry, my mistake.
[18:41] <DrGrov> wafflejock: I just figured it out by selecting a ready made profile in VLC :) Sorry about that.
[18:41] <wafflejock> DrGrov: ah k cool... so you're converting video files in VLC?
[18:42] <martin____> is anyone familar with geany here?
[18:42] <wafflejock> martin____: what about it?
[18:42] <earthling_> Anyone know the shortcut for showing all windows on a current workspace in 12.04 running Unity 2d?
[18:42] <wafflejock> !ask | martin____
[18:42] <DrGrov> wafflejock: Yes, I converting webpage videos which I normally see on the telly.
[18:42] <wafflejock> earthling_: I feel like you need to set it
[18:42] <earthling_> somehow I was able to do it, not sure what I pressed heh
[18:42] <wafflejock> DrGrov: ah cool
[18:42] <DrGrov> wafflejock: But on the web I can't see them due to geoblocking :/
[18:43] <martin____> wafflejock: I tried downloading a geany theme, but I'm having troubles applying it
[18:43] <DrGrov> wafflejock: And since I do not use regular TV any more in the past 3 years I thought I would still get them somehow and VLC provides the solution :)
[18:43] <wafflejock> earthling_: you can get compiz config settiggs manager to adjust the keybindings for all the window actions
[18:43] <wafflejock> DrGrov: nice VLC to save the day again
[18:44] <DrGrov> wafflejock: VLC is the first app I installed and have done in past when getting Ubuntu
[18:44] <DrGrov> wafflejock: It is a lifesaver in cases like this
[18:44] <wafflejock> martin____: sorry I don't actually use Geany on the regular, I've used it here or there but like SublimeText too much so never dug into Geany deep, just always good to just ask in these rooms
[18:44] <DrGrov> wafflejock: I though can't seem to get VDPAU working with VLC 2.1.0. That I have to figure out.
[18:45] <DrGrov> wafflejock: Or then I am just blind and can't see VDPAU :)
[18:45] <martin____> The theme i've applied to geany disappears after saving the file, can anyone help me out with this?
[18:45] <wafflejock> martin____: what have you tried what symptoms?
[18:45] <tolga> türkçe bilen var mı arkadaşlar
[18:45] <martin____> wafflejock: well, i just followed what the instructions said
[18:45] <martin____> wafflejock: at first the theme is there but after saving the file, it kinda resets
[18:46] <martin____> wafflejock: is SublimeText free?
[18:47] <wafflejock> martin____: it's free to try it bugs you after saves every once in a while, $50 for the license in the end
[18:47] <wafflejock> martin____: totally worth it though
[18:47] <wafflejock> martin____: lots of nice plugins
[18:47] <aschmitz> martin____: I can second wafflejock's recommendation of Sublime Text.
[18:47] <wafflejock> martin____: I use it for PHP and AngularJS development
[18:47] <martin____> wafflejock: can i use it without buying the license?
[18:47] <wafflejock> martin____: indeed
[18:47] <wafflejock> martin____: it just bugs you
[18:47] <martin____> wafflejock: nice
[18:48] <DrGrov> wafflejock: You have any idea why the .mp4 doesn
[18:48] <martin____> i'll try that out
[18:48] <martin____> aschmitz: I'll try it out
[18:48] <DrGrov> wafflejock: You have any idea why the .mp4:s I just converted do not show up in the default 13.10 file manager as preview icons? In the Trash they show up as previews.
[18:48] <wafflejock> DrGrov: no interesting...
[18:48] <wafflejock> DrGrov: I'm using Kubuntu now
[18:48] <wafflejock> DrGrov: I have to enable previews in the file browser... ignorantly not knowing what it's called
[18:49] <wafflejock> oh right Dolphin
[18:49] <martin____> aschmitz: I'll try it out then
[18:49] <martin____> :D
[18:49] <DrGrov> wafflejock: I have previews on all my other .mp4 files as they should be. Probably I could find out from them the right conversation?
[18:49] <BetaSoul> Can I get some help installing backports?
[18:50] <BetaSoul> martin____: Its classic nagware.
[18:51] <wafflejock> martin____: yeah some things to know going into it... use Ctrl+P for almost anything... Google for Package Control, there will be a command you enter into a SublimeText command window to install that
[18:51] <ytrezq> Again: There are big problems with the qemu-user-static packages (I've tried all version including stable).
[18:51] <ytrezq> When I use qemu-mips-static (even without binfmt), certain mips program make incorect computes. for example using '4 * _exp(-0.5)/_srqt(2.0)' make python complaining about div by 0. When I ask time of subprograms to gcc with -time, it print nan serveral times (nan~=not a number). Many programs simply crash. I've tested the rootfs on real hardware. May someone can help please (2 times)?
[18:52] <wafflejock> martin____: after installing that you can use Ctrl+Shift+P to find other packages for sublime
[18:52] <wafflejock> martin____: do some Googling on using SublimeText 2 there's lots of good ramp up stuff out there to get the most out of it
[18:52] <martin____> wafflejock: I'm new to Ubuntu as well
[18:52] <earthling_> wafflejock, I see, I heard some ccsm settings could mess up your system?
[18:52] <martin____> wafflejock:  would be great if you'd assist me with it
[18:52] <martin____> hahaha
[18:52] <wafflejock> martin____: Ctrl+K,B also hides the file navigator and F11 gives you distraction free mode... those are probably my most common
[18:53] <wafflejock> martin____: yeah this is the ubuntu support channel I'm surprised I haven't been yelled at for talking about SublimeText so far :)
[18:53] <wafflejock> earthling_: it can if you screw with things a lot
[18:53] <DrGrov> wafflejock: Now I followed the exact one of a .mp4 that shows up in preview. H264, MPEG 4(AAC).
[18:53] <xangua> hi everyone, after i upgrade ubuntu 13.04 to 13.10 my bluetooth dongle stops being recognized, any suggestion on the issue?
[18:53] <wafflejock> earthling_: if you just go in there and use it to update some stuff that's already active or to check out the keybindings you should be fine
[18:54] <earthling_> I see,ok
[18:55] <wafflejock> DrGrov: not sure about the preview business really... I never looked much into how Linux resolves the previews or if it caches them like windoze with the thumbnails files everywhere
[18:56] <martin____> wafflejock:  the instructions here tells me to copy the content of the file to /opt, however Ubuntu doesn't seem to have one
[18:57] <wafflejock> martin____: you can just make the folder
[18:57] <wafflejock> martin____: it's just for "optional" software I believe
[18:57] <wafflejock> martin____: on other systems I've seen IBM websphere stuff installed there
[18:57] <wafflejock> martin____: but usually it's mostly empty
[18:58] <wafflejock> martin____: instructions for installing will explain to extract the zip move to opt (just conventional place to put some manually installed stuff) then will tell you to setup a "symbolic link" much like a shortcut from /usr/bin/sublime to your /opt folder where you actually extracted stuf
[18:58] <wafflejock> /usr/bin is in your $PATH environment variable by default so any commands in there can be executed system wide
[18:59] <wafflejock> you can type
[18:59] <wafflejock> echo $PATH
[18:59] <wafflejock> to see your path
[18:59] <DrGrov> wafflejock: But you reckon as me that it is strange that it shows up on some .mp4 and not this one? Probably I just did a customized version of the .mp4 by mistake LOL
[18:59] <wafflejock> martin____: beyond that instructions will probably tell you how to setup a .desktop file which just gives you a nice "real shortcut"
[19:00] <wafflejock> DrGrov: well mp4 is a container I believe and doesn't dictate the actual codec used or anything
[19:00] <wafflejock> DrGrov: but if you went with H264 and everything else too not sure what the difference would be
[19:01] <DrGrov> wafflejock: I think I went wrong the first time with audio. Now I did it again, takes a while but a perfect chance to work the computer into speed.
[19:01] <martin____> wafflejock: so /usr/bin is where all applications are installed. It's kinda the Program Files in Windows huh?
[19:01] <wafflejock> martin____: yeah mostly
[19:02] <wafflejock> martin____: if you type
[19:02] <wafflejock> ls -al
[19:02] <wafflejock> while in the /usr/bin folder it will show the list and will also show on the right any place symbolic links are setup to go to
[19:02] <wafflejock> martin____: difference being with linux files are a bit more "scattered" or organized differently really
[19:02] <wafflejock> martin____: /usr/bin is going to have your executable files (the main program)
[19:03] <wafflejock> martin____: but other stuff like configuration will be in /etc/apache2 or the like (somewhere in /etc/)  usually logs are in /var/log/  and usually user settings are in /home/myuser/.someFile/
[19:03] <wafflejock> if a folder/file (one and the same as far as Linux is concerned just a bit that is flipped), starts with a period or dot that means it's hidden
[19:04] <AcidRain2012> im using ubuntu 12.04, how do i stop screen from locking? i have disabled it in the settings menu, but it still locks
[19:04] <AcidRain2012> im also using cinnamon as the DE
[19:04] <wafflejock> martin____: if you need to see hidden files in the "file browser" Ctrl+H usually does the trick, in the command line ls is to list (simalar to dir in windoze), ls -a will list all including hidden ls -l gives long format showing file permissions on the left
[19:05] <wafflejock> AcidRain2012: locking in what scenario
[19:05] <martin____> I'm following the instructions http://www.technoreply.com/how-to-install-sublime-text-2-on-ubuntu-12-04-unity/#viewSource
[19:05] <wilee-nilee> AcidRain2012, cinnamon on 12.04 is a ppa.
[19:05] <wafflejock> martin____: cool I used those recently too, work out okay?
[19:05] <martin____> wafflejock: what is this .desktop for
[19:06] <ElOpositor> does anyone know what happened with erUSUL? someone told me he died
[19:06] <wafflejock> martin____: so the .desktop file is just the shortcut definition
[19:06] <wafflejock> martin____: so the little icon that shows up in the launcher... each of those has a .desktop file
[19:06] <wafflejock> martin____: lots of programs in Linux set that part up for you
[19:06] <martin____> Well, after I saved that contents and exit out of it, no shortcut was created
[19:06] <AcidRain2012> wilee-nilee, ppa? i dont see how this would effect the screen lock...
[19:06] <wilee-nilee> AcidRain2012, You might contact them
[19:06] <rogan_> hi all
[19:06] <ElOpositor> Is erUSUL dead?
[19:06] <wilee-nilee> !ppa | AcidRain2012 you are not new here
[19:07] <martin____> wafflejock: Oh wait, I guess I need to lock this one to the launcher so that it'll stay
[19:07] <AcidRain2012> wilee-nilee, the same thing happens when im using unity, gnome2 DE,
[19:07] <rogan_> how to define default sound card
[19:07] <AcidRain2012> pretty much, its turned off no matter what DE im using, but it still locks. how to fix?
[19:07] <wilee-nilee> gnome 2? AcidRain2012 you mean the fallback dexktop?
[19:07] <martin____> wafflejock: everytime i open sublimeText the .desktop one opens
[19:07] <AcidRain2012> wilee-nilee, really this has nothing to do with cinnamon
[19:07] <rogan_> in lubuntu
[19:07] <wafflejock> martin____: it just opens in your previous state
[19:08] <AcidRain2012> wilee-nilee, no, i have like 10 DEs installed. gnome2 is just 1 of them
[19:08] <wafflejock> martin____: ctrl+w to close the window or just close the tab within SublimeText but not the main window
[19:08] <wilee-nilee> AcidRain2012, ppa's are technically not supported, it has all to do with it.
[19:08] <martin____> wafflejock: nah, the icon doesn't open at all
[19:08] <AcidRain2012> ive never seen the fallback desktop for ubuntu 12
[19:08] <martin____> wafflejock: I have to open it on my terminal
[19:08] <AcidRain2012> wilee-nilee, ok. tell me how to fix it when im using unity then?
[19:08] <wafflejock> hmm are you sure you have the extension right?
[19:09] <[Gentoo]> AcidRain2012: the 10 des have probably borked general desktop settings
[19:09] <rogan_> how to define default sound card in lubuntu without alsaconf or asoundconf?
[19:09] <martin____> wafflejock: Oh wait, I think I mistyped something. That might've caused it, however I can't save the changes. lol
[19:09] <AcidRain2012> =(
[19:09] <[Gentoo]> rogan_: http://bpaste.net/show/146421/
[19:09] <[Gentoo]> thats mine
[19:10] <wafflejock> martin____: whats the trouble saving, what're you trying to save with?
[19:10] <wafflejock> martin____: yeah starting off is always a lot of stumbline from one wall into another
[19:10] <wafflejock> stumbling*
[19:11] <chro> anyone from China here ?
[19:11] <wilee-nilee> chro, This is support
[19:11] <wafflejock> ubunucn | chro
[19:11] <chro> ok
[19:11] <rogan_> Gentoo i don't understand
[19:11] <g0th> hi
[19:11] <[Gentoo]> rogan_: thats my /etc/asound.conf which sets the default card
[19:12] <wilee-nilee> !cn | chro
[19:12] <chro> oh thanks
[19:12] <wilee-nilee> chro, some there ;)
[19:12] <martin____> wafflejock: It's working now
[19:12] <g0th> when I use gimp everything reacts very slow. E.g. I click on a menu but it takes like 5 seconds until the menu opens/etc.
[19:12] <martin____> haha
[19:12] <g0th> I am afraid that this is a more general problem
[19:12] <g0th> I use the latest ubuntu
[19:12] <wafflejock> wilee-nilee: thx
[19:12] <martin____> wafflejock: Anything else I need? Do I need to install any plug-ins?
[19:12] <wafflejock> wilee-nilee: couldn't find it
[19:12] <wafflejock> martin____: what kind of development do you do?
[19:12] <rogan_> it's automatically loaded?
[19:13] <martin____> wafflejock: web (PHP, HTML, CSS, Javascript) with MySQL
[19:13] <wafflejock> martin____: https://sublime.wbond.net/installation
[19:13] <[Gentoo]> rogan_: you shouldnt need to do anything after editing that file, except restart any app that's using alsa
[19:13] <wafflejock> martin____: you'll want to get Package Control then you can hit Ctrl+Shift+P and type install to get install package option
[19:13] <wafflejock> martin____: from there it will search package control which has a bunch of plugins
[19:14] <wafflejock> martin____: I wouldn't say you absolutely need anything but it doesn't hurt to check some out
[19:14] <martin____> wafflejock: where is Package Control?
[19:14] <rogan_> ok is there a document to describe this file
[19:14] <rogan_> ?
[19:14] <wafflejock> martin____: that link I dropped up there
[19:14] <[Gentoo]> rogan_: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Asoundrc
[19:14] <wafflejock> martin____: it has some bit of code at the bottom of the page, you have to open the command console in SublimeText (can't recall think it says there though)
[19:15] <rogan_> thanks for all
[19:15] <BetaSoul> ARG! even after installing backports the network card still comes up as unclaimed.
[19:16] <wafflejock> martin____: mostly Ctrl+P will do everything for you, you can use this to open files by just starting to type the file name, files have to be open, you do this by adding a folder to the project from the project menu, or from the command line you can just type
[19:16] <wafflejock> sublime .
[19:17] <wafflejock> martin____: Ctrl+P then an @ symbol in the box will search through CSS for styles or through JS for functions
[19:17] <martin____> wafflejock: Dang! Now I can't open SUblime
[19:17] <wafflejock> Ctrl+P then : will search for a line number
[19:17] <wafflejock> martin____: after installing package control?
[19:17] <martin____> wafflejock: yeah
[19:18] <wafflejock> martin____: even from command line no feedback?
[19:18] <martin____> wafflejock: Unable to run package setup
[19:18] <wafflejock> huh
[19:18] <wafflejock> martin____: sorry never encountered that one
[19:18] <martin____> wafflejock: Error: "Unable to run package setup:  Traceback (most recent call last):   File "./PackageSetup.py", line 165, in upgrade     upgradePackage(pkg, pristinedir, datadir, backupdir)   File "./PackageSetup.py", line 158, in upgradePackage     os.path.join(backupdir, base), inhibitOverwrite)   File "./PackageSetup.py", line 90, in upgradeArchive     writeFile(fname, newar.read(f))   File "./PackageSetup.py", line 18, in wri
[19:19] <wafflejock> martin____: sure you used the right snippet from the link above one for sublime text 2 not sublime text 3?
[19:19] <wafflejock> martin____: if you have it wrong you may need to delete the Package Control folder from within your Sublime Text installation in the /opt folder
[19:20] <wafflejock> martin____: sorry wasn't explicit about the versions part... didn't run into an issue when I personally messed that up before though, just saw I had to run the other one and it worked
[19:21] <A1Recon> For installing the LAMP stack do i have to install tasksel??
[19:21] <wafflejock> A1Recon: you can do that or
[19:21] <wafflejock> sudo apt-get install lamp-server^
[19:21] <martin____> wafflejock: How do I know that the plug-in installation was successful?
[19:22] <wafflejock> well when you start sublime text 2 and hit Ctrl+Shift+P then start typing install you should see an option come up for install package
[19:22] <martin____> wafflejock: Got it running again by using sudo chown -R <username> <path to sublime>
[19:22] <wafflejock> that's package control
[19:22] <g0th> hi
[19:23] <g0th> whenever I click somewhere it very often takes about 5 seconds until something actually happens
[19:23] <g0th> this makes the desktop and programs very hard to use
[19:24] <wafflejock> g0th: have you tried watching your system monitor or top or htop to see what if anything is peaking out?
[19:24] <g0th> it is all below 5%
[19:24] <g0th> I have a lot of (free) memory
[19:24] <BetaSoul> Okay, I still need help getting htis damn card to work. I've got hte ath9k driver installed now, but it still comes up unclaimed under lshw -c network
[19:24] <MonkeyDust> KDE is very responsive, faster than Unity, in my experience
[19:24] <g0th> and a fast SSD HD
[19:24] <wafflejock> MonkeyDust: +1
[19:24] <g0th> 5s is no longer a debate about responsiveness
[19:25] <wafflejock> g0th: not sure nothing on my SSD taked 5 seconds
[19:25] <g0th> something is WRONG
[19:25] <wafflejock> g0th: maybe boot
[19:25] <wilee-nilee> g0th, Install htop open it and see whats eating the cpu, beyond that is the computer have new enough hardware and enough ram?
[19:25] <g0th> nothing is eating the cpu
[19:25] <A1Recon> wafflejock: looks like i have to install tasksel first...
[19:25] <wilee-nilee> g0th, And you confirm this how?
[19:25] <wafflejock> A1Recon: I believe the command I wrote actually installs tasksel as part of the process
[19:25] <g0th> with e.g. top
[19:25] <wafflejock> A1Recon: is tasksel a problem?
[19:26] <g0th> also I can play movies/etc
[19:26] <g0th> it is just the responsiveness that causes troubles
[19:26] <A1Recon> OK... i missed the "^" right... Thanks...
[19:26] <wilee-nilee> g0th, I believe top does not scroll right do you see everything running?
[19:26] <moppy> goth: is this a case of running Unity on an unsupported/old graphics card?
[19:26] <wafflejock> A1Recon: yes the all important caret
[19:26] <g0th> wilee-nilee: sigh, ok  what do I have to do to finally convince you that my cpu is not overloaded?
[19:26] <wafflejock> A1Recon: it's a "pseudo-package" I guess, really just installs the LAMP stack
[19:26] <BluesKaj> BetaSoul. sudo dhclient wlan0 up , in the terminal
[19:26] <g0th> htop?
[19:27] <wafflejock> htop is just pretty top
[19:27] <g0th> fine
[19:27] <moppy> g0th, is this a new isntall?
[19:27] <g0th> its all below 5%
[19:27] <g0th> no
[19:27] <wafflejock> htop worth having though
[19:27] <moppy> g0th, it's worked ok before?
[19:27] <g0th> yes
[19:27] <g0th> I have a wireless mouse
[19:27] <BetaSoul> BluesKaj: cannot find device
[19:27] <g0th> maybe that is the problem
[19:27] <g0th> but the cursor is fine
[19:28] <g0th> and it does respond
[19:28] <wafflejock> g0th: would defintely eliminate all peripherals and build up
[19:28] <g0th> it just takes like 5 seconds
[19:28] <wilee-nilee> g0th, In general starting with details rather that post being asked them is helpful, and the sigh just is irratating good luck.
[19:28] <moppy> g0th, ok ignore me then. what you were describing is *usually* lack of 3d acceleration in unity, but i doubt in your case as working b4
[19:28] <BluesKaj> BetaSoul. ok , /etc/init.d/networking restart
[19:28] <g0th> wilee-nilee: well, you asked me to install htop even though it was clear that no new information compared to top and my movie remark would come, that's why I sigh
[19:28] <BluesKaj> in the terminal as well , BetaSoul
[19:29] <g0th> moppy: hmm, that might be it
[19:29] <g0th> moppy: 3d+unity caused trouble before too
[19:29] <BetaSoul> BluesKaj: Crashed.
[19:29] <g0th> moppy: I think it is something unity/3d related indeed
[19:29] <BetaSoul> BluesKaj: lost all window chrome.
[19:30] <BluesKaj> BetaSoul. what crashed?
[19:30] <martin____> wafflejock: you still there? How do I install plug-ins again?
[19:30] <wafflejock> g0th: log out and choose unity 2d or install gnome or the like
[19:30] <wafflejock> martin____: Ctrl+Shift+P then start typing install and it should give you install package as an opiton
[19:30] <moppy> unity 2d is depreciated in newer ububtu
[19:30] <BluesKaj> BetaSoul. check the network manager
[19:30] <BetaSoul> BluesKaj: As in I no longer have a user interface other than my terminal windows.
[19:30] <moppy> by depreciated i mean "they removed it"
[19:30] <g0th> how do I check what I have?
[19:30] <g0th> 3d or 2d?
[19:31] <martin____> wafflejock: I'm looking for a specific color scheme,
[19:31] <moppy> you have 3d if it's 13.04 or later
[19:31] <g0th> also I use really old display drivers
[19:31] <g0th> because the new ones failed
[19:31] <moppy> g0th, maybe try a different DE? see if that fixes it.
[19:31] <martin____> wafflejock: Thank you for your assistance, that's it for today. Hehe, this is exhausting though. Hahaha
[19:32] <BetaSoul> BluesKaj: Had to manually restart the box.
[19:32] <BluesKaj> BetaSoul. then there's something else wrong , starting the network interface shouldn't crash your deskto[
[19:32] <BluesKaj> desktop
[19:32] <wafflejock> martin____: cool yeah getting things setup is always a bit of a struggle... working on some guides I'll turn into video tutorials soon
[19:32] <BetaSoul> BluesKaj: I know. Any ideas where to start looking?
[19:32] <wafflejock> martin____: also of interest... where it installs your stuff  /home/username/.config/sublime-text-3/
[19:33] <BluesKaj> BetaSoul. have you updated / upgraded your system packages ?
[19:33] <wafflejock> martin____: I thought it was all in the sublime_text installatino folder but think that's just the case in windows.. looks like just about everything is in my users folder in terms of packages I installed and snippets I made and the like
[19:33] <BetaSoul> BluesKaj: Nope.
[19:33] <wafflejock> martin____: anyhow cheers
[19:33] <martin____> wafflejock: Oh okay, so the /home/username/.config directory contains configurations for theh applciation in my /usr/bin right?
[19:34] <BetaSoul> BluesKaj: Only installed build essentails.
[19:34] <BluesKaj> BetaSoul. then do so , sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:34] <wafflejock> martin____: yeah generally speaking... lots of programs make their own . (dot file) in your home folder
[19:34] <BetaSoul> BluesKaj: Can't, no network.
[19:34] <wafflejock> martin____: might not be in the .config folder
[19:34] <martin____> wafflejock: You are a great help. Thanks again. Cheers!
[19:34] <wafflejock> martin____: np glad I could help
[19:34] <BluesKaj> no ethernet connection either , BetaSoul?
[19:35] <g0th> moppy: I don't want to risk it, even logging out is a bit painful (I have several open windows/etc), probably a reboot would fix it temporarily
[19:35] <darthjavier> hi
[19:35] <darthjavier> i have a problem with the keyboard
[19:35] <xangua> hi everyone, after i upgrade ubuntu 13.04 to 13.10 my bluetooth dongle stops being recognized, any suggestion on the issue?
[19:35] <g0th> replacing a DE environment is bound to cause troubles
[19:35] <BetaSoul> BluesKaj: Can't get to it. But on update it wants me to put the 13.10 media in the drive.
[19:35] <g0th> -environment
[19:35] <darthjavier> h]]?
[19:35] <BetaSoul> Hrm.......
[19:36] <darthjavier> actually my keyboard is like this: http://s10.postimg.org/4j0kv1389/spankey.jpg
[19:36] <darthjavier> but only find this http://s16.postimg.org/6pogxtt5x/Screenshot_from_2013_11_03_14_29_11.png
[19:36] <darthjavier> anynone knows how to change the keyboard layout?
[19:37] <darthjavier> ?
[19:37] <BluesKaj> BetaSoul. then you probly haven't insalled the entire OS packages
[19:37] <A1Recon> I have never done the MySQL and the LAMP stuff .... so i installed LAMP and I get this While not mandatory, it is highly recommended that you set a password   │
[19:37] <A1Recon>   │ for the MySQL administrative "root" user.                               │
[19:37] <A1Recon>   │                                                                         │
[19:37] <A1Recon>   │ If this field is left blank, the password will not be changed.
[19:37] <FloodBot1> A1Recon: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:37] <A1Recon> sorry
[19:37] <xangua> darthjavier: looks like a latin american keyboard setup
[19:37] <nginx-happy> ctrl+b doesn't work in tmux
[19:37] <BetaSoul> BluesKaj: Thats what I'm wondering.
[19:37] <nginx-happy> is it ctrl+b?
[19:38] <nginx-happy> what is % then?
[19:38] <karmete> hollo
[19:38] <moppy> g0th, dont have to replace, both will run side by side, choose on login
[19:38] <karmete> hello
[19:38] <wafflejock> darthjavier: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1793250
[19:38] <karmete> do you speak turkısh
[19:38] <BetaSoul> I'm going to try a clean install of 13.10 and see if that fixes anything
[19:38] <moppy> g0th, there are packages in repo eg apt-get install lubuntu-desktop etc
[19:39] <wilee-nilee> karmete, This is english
[19:39] <wilee-nilee> !tr
[19:39] <wafflejock> A1Recon: if this a development machine setting a password on the MySQL database isn't mandatory
[19:39] <wafflejock> A1Recon: you will need this password to connect to the database from PHP or from phpMyAdmin
[19:39] <lesshaste> how can I make the wallpaper a video?
[19:40] <wafflejock> g0th: after you install another DE when you logout you'll see the option next to your name to choose the DE
[19:40] <BetaSoul> Thankfully the *nix partion doesn't store any work.
[19:40] <MonkeyDust> lesshaste  you mean a slideshow?
[19:40] <lesshaste> MonkeyDust, no.. an actual video
[19:41] <lesshaste> played using vlc for example
[19:41] <wafflejock> lesshaste: think VLC has the option not sure about any built ins or packages to do it
[19:41] <wafflejock> lesshaste: believe it's just in the view options in VLC no?
[19:41] <lesshaste> wafflejock, but does it actually work as wallpaper? I mean do you get all your icons etc on top?
[19:41] <MonkeyDust> lesshaste  you mean, use a video as wallpaper?
[19:41] <lesshaste> MonkeyDust, exactly
[19:43] <MonkeyDust> lesshaste  desktop animations very soon start to annoy, they are good for screencasts
[19:44] <wafflejock> lesshaste: haven't tried http://askubuntu.com/questions/58657/how-do-i-set-a-vlc-instance-to-run-as-a-live-wallpaper
[19:44] <wafflejock> lesshaste: I always found video background to be too distracting
[19:44] <lesshaste> wafflejock, thanks but that doesn't seem to support icons for example
[19:44] <wafflejock> lesshaste: some subtle movements can be okay
[19:45] <wafflejock> lesshaste: ah k yeah dunno sorry
[19:46] <aschmitz> Is there a good place to get help with LUKS and Ubuntu?
[19:46] <lesshaste> how do you tell from the command line exactly which version of unity you have ?
[19:46] <g0th> wafflejock: ok
[19:47] <lesshaste> aschmitz, LUKS?
[19:47] <g0th> wafflejock: so the current one has a bug?
[19:47] <aschmitz> lesshaste: Encrypted disks.
[19:47] <g0th> known bug?
[19:47] <BetaSoul> Hrm... I think the image I installed from may have been damaged.
[19:48] <lesshaste> aschmitz, ah
[19:49] <wafflejock> g0th: I'm not sure about a known bug for this but it's worth a shot to try another DE to pin down the problem to one part of the system
[19:49] <wafflejock> g0th: once you know that's it then you can look for a bug within the particular packages bug repo
[19:50] <wafflejock> g0th: or file one if it's not there
[19:50] <g0th> I just realized something
[19:50] <g0th> the error only occurs with the panel
[19:50] <phenylanine> can somebody please tell me why do I need to perform "export PATH="/usr/local/bin:$PATH"" after installing pip with setuptools from github? why won't it run when I type "pip" otherwise?
[19:50] <g0th> if I e.g. open a menu with the right mouse
[19:50] <g0th> I get similar menus
[19:50] <g0th> but they react very responsive
[19:50] <wafflejock> g0th: very likely it is something to do with the DE then since the panels are big part of that
[19:50] <g0th> so only the panel "missbehaves"
[19:50] <g0th> is there a way to reload it?
[19:51] <wafflejock> think so
[19:51] <wafflejock> gnome-panel you can install separate.. not sure about what Unity uses
[19:51] <g0th> /usr/lib/unity/unity-panel-service
[19:51] <wafflejock> I'm on KDE right now.. will try to search though
[19:51] <wafflejock> ah
[19:51] <wafflejock> yeah maybe can just purge and reinstall that
[19:51] <wafflejock> not sure htough
[19:51] <g0th> I mean restart the panel
[19:51] <g0th> not reinstall it
[19:51] <moppy> you might be able to restart with unity-panel --restart or summat
[19:52] <xangua> are you perhaps refering to this¿ g0th wafflejock https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/1199877
[19:52] <theadmin> Running Ubuntu 12.04. When "Show time in other locations" is checked, it automatically shows time in "None". What is this? How can I get rid of it?
[19:52] <phenylanine> any one?
[19:53] <aschmitz> phenylanine: Because /usr/local/bin isn't in your PATH?
[19:53] <wafflejock> phenylanine: yeah
[19:53] <phenylanine> why isn't it in my path by default?
[19:53] <wafflejock> phenylanine: type echo $PATH to see your path
[19:53] <wafflejock> phenylanine: just a matter of the distibution setup
[19:54] <wilee-nilee> phenylanine, give it more than 3 min if you can.
[19:54] <phenylanine> wafflejock: isn't it extremely common to have it in path, why do you think it is not there by default?
[19:54] <wafflejock> phenylanine: similarly in windows you have a default path and end up modifying it for certain software (JDK comes to mind)
[19:54] <wilee-nilee> theadmin, I'm ion precise right now where is that control?
[19:54] <wafflejock> phenylanine: it's not really extremely common on ubuntu /usr/bin is the norm
[19:55] <phenylanine> oh I see
[19:55] <phenylanine> thank you wafflejock and wilee-nilee
[19:55] <phenylanine> and aschmitz
[19:55] <theadmin> wilee-nilee: Date/Time Settings -> Clock -> Time in Other Locations
[19:56] <wilee-nilee> theadmin, Ah, I'm in the shell it is different
[19:57] <theadmin> It even displays some real time in this "None". I assume it's a real location, but I have no idea what it's doing there.
[19:57] <theadmin> It's not in the list.
[19:57] <nginx-happy> any idea how could i work ith tmux; ctrl+b is the same as Ctrl-b ? what is ctrl-b % ???
[19:57] <nginx-happy> ist it 3 key
[19:59] <theadmin> This is the situation here: http://i.imgur.com/d6jZsi1.png
[20:00] <esoptros> anyone here?
[20:00] <Dannermax> If webmin is not supported by ubuntu anymore, what similar program is there out there?
[20:00] <theadmin> esoptros: Why yes, just ask your question.
[20:01] <esoptros> I have no idea where to go for some Ubuntu support.   at least some quite support.
[20:01] <esoptros> I new to Ubuntu.  lol
[20:01] <bekks> Dannermax: There are several alternatives out there, none of them is in the repos. Like vPanel, etc.
[20:01] <theadmin> esoptros: There's a vast variety of options. You can ask here. You can use askubuntu.com if the reply here takes too long.
[20:02] <theadmin> esoptros: Then there's the Ubuntu Forums, but I have no idea whether those are still active.
[20:02] <esoptros> Ah ok.  Well, I am have some really annoying Ubuntu issues that I have been trying to fix for the past 7 hours.
[20:02] <g0th> xangua: hmm, I don't think so since I don't observe high mem/cpu usage
[20:02] <theadmin> esoptros: Well, as I said, just ask the question(s), and people will try their best to answer.
[20:03] <DrGrov> wafflejock: Got it figured out. Made all the stuff to DIVX3 .avi with a HD type bitrate instead.
[20:03] <DrGrov> wafflejock: Thanks :)
[20:03] <Dannermax> bekks: would you know which one is the most reliable? and which one is not userfriendly to noobs?
[20:03] <Dannermax> bekks: not=most
[20:04] <theadmin> Dannermax: The "none of them in the repos" part implies that none of them are really supported ;)
[20:04] <bekks> Dannermax: For noobs, I recommend to learn how things work and thus not use graphical administrion-like stuff.
[20:04] <esoptros> Ok.  I originally got an Ubuntu linux alienware computer, it worked fine.  Then, [involving nvidia] I installed the updates and drivers, and it pulled the whole black screen stunt on me.   Thanks to a specific forum I found, I got passed it.  And tried reinstalling it via command prompt.
[20:05] <wafflejock> DrGrov: ah np glad you were able to get it sorted
[20:05] <esoptros> And now; depending on if I follow wich boot.   I get two things;  one, black screen with absolutely 0 ability to do anything or stuck in Grub mode, which won't  take any commands.
[20:06] <esoptros> either way, I just want to get back to me desktop so I can install windows, since I am familiar with that; but, I can't get to windows [I need to partition one of my drives for windows to install].
[20:06] <esoptros> anywho, Ubuntu has got me stuck.  lol
[20:07] <hitsujiTMO> esoptros: the windows installer will do the partitioning for you if you want to go back to that.
[20:07] <wafflejock> esoptros: at worst you can use Gparted but windwos should wipe out the disk
[20:07] <Dannermax> bekks: Not the answer i wanted but allright :)
[20:08] <wafflejock> Dannermax: bekksis right
[20:08] <wafflejock> Dannermax: if you use a web interface that is changing all the configuration files and something goes wrong your screwed
[20:08] <esoptros> ubuntu seems to be overriding my command of boot to disk.   I've booted the disk before.   But now, it just ignores the command.
[20:08] <BetaSoul> Okay, on a clean.
[20:08] <MonkeyDust> esoptros  launch ubuntu from dvd or usb, use gparted to delete partition, use partiton ton install that other OS you mentioned
[20:08] <BetaSoul> And now I'm getting internal errors.
[20:08] <MonkeyDust> *typos
[20:09] <hitsujiTMO> esoptros: as in the windows dvd?
[20:09] <wafflejock> Dannermax: if you really want to know how to do it right you're going to need to take it slower and learn each of the parts involved it's really not that bad... once you have a decent grip on things you can look for tools to speed up your workflow
[20:09] <esoptros> yes, the windows dvd.  the comp didn't come with a ubuntu disk.
[20:09] <MonkeyDust> esoptros  launch ubuntu from dvd or usb, use gparted to delete partition, install that other OS you mentioned   <-- more readable
[20:09] <esoptros> So I've been trying to get around that.
[20:10] <Dannermax> wafflejock: thats exactly what i did.. i did something to my raid array from webmin and i dont know exactly what i did... so guess i better take the long road around
[20:10] <wafflejock> esoptros: ubuntu will not override your BIOS boot settings
[20:11] <lesshaste> what would people recommend for making 2d animations in linux?
[20:11] <wafflejock> Dannermax: definitely it will be less trecherous in the long run, think of it as running along the ridge of a cliff vs taking your time... you still might fall off but at least your not being crazy :)
[20:11] <hitsujiTMO> esoptros: ubuntu CANNOT override what you select as the boot device. just choose the dvd from the boot menu. if that isn't working then it means there's something wrong with the dvd or your bios settings. eitherway, this is not an ubuntu support issue and i suggest if you need further help to try ##windows
[20:11] <esoptros> ok I finally got the windows thing to load.  lol
[20:12] <wafflejock> lesshaste: nothing... let me know when you find it
[20:12] <esoptros> anywho; I mainly came to try and get around the ubuntu black screen issue.
[20:12] <BetaSoul> Okay, got a hard one for every one. Machine with no network connection, cannot be connected to ether net(long story) and I've got an unclaimed ath9k wireless device.
[20:12] <lesshaste> wafflejock, :( pencil?
[20:12] <wafflejock> lesshaste: unfortunately I'm stuck with Win 8 in a Virtual Box for using Adobe CS stuff... one of the only lame parts of my experience
[20:12] <lesshaste> wafflejock, this is sad
[20:12] <hitsujiTMO> esoptros: for the black screen issue, you need to first try booting ubuntu witrh nomodeset
[20:12] <wafflejock> lesshaste: it is indeed
[20:12] <lesshaste> have you tried pencil?
[20:13] <wafflejock> lesshaste: there's Kdenlive and Kino and some other stuff but all just linear video editors and nothing so great
[20:13] <lesshaste> I don't want a video editor
[20:13] <wafflejock> lesshaste: I've heard of some projects but haven't seen anything up to par yet
[20:13] <esoptros> hitsujitmo: how do I do that exactly?  I apologize, I know nothing of ubuntu.
[20:13] <hitsujiTMO> !nomodeset | esoptros
[20:13] <wafflejock> lesshaste: yeah I know you're looking more for after effects right?
[20:13] <BetaSoul> Any takers?
[20:13] <wafflejock> lesshaste: blender is awesome for 3D stuff
[20:14] <esoptros> alright thank you!
[20:14] <lesshaste> wafflejock, I could try that.. just seems to have a steep learning curve
[20:14] <wafflejock> lesshaste: some people use it as a "video editor" or "compositor" to some degree
[20:14] <lesshaste> I really want to make simple animation
[20:14] <wafflejock> lesshaste: it definitely does have a steep curve... blenderguru.com is pretty good
[20:14] <lesshaste> like a ball rolling down a slope into a box
[20:14] <aschmitz> BetaSoul: I assume you're trying to use ath9k for wireless, then?
[20:14] <lesshaste> thanks
[20:15] <BetaSoul> aschmitz: Correct.
[20:15] <wafflejock> lesshaste: are you a developer?
[20:15] <lesshaste> no.. I just want to make more interesting presentations :)
[20:15] <wafflejock> lesshaste: ah okay... was going to suggest processing.js or processing.org
[20:15] <aschmitz> BetaSoul: Is it a USB device?
[20:15] <wafflejock> lesshaste: it's a bit programmer oriented... well it's artist/programmer oriented
[20:15] <hitsujiTMO> BetaSoul: can you explain your problem better. what do you mean by unclaimed ath9k?
[20:15] <BetaSoul> aschmitz: PCI-E. And backports doesn't help.
[20:15] <Dannermax> wafflejock: Hehe.. ill remember that.. thanks for the metaphor
[20:16] <lesshaste> thx
[20:16] <MonkeyDust> !details | BetaSoul
[20:16] <wilee-nilee> BetaSoul, If there is a driver get on another computer and put it on a usb and install there.
[20:16] <BetaSoul> wilee-nilee: Tried that.
[20:16] <BetaSoul> Hold on, spec dump:
[20:17] <aschmitz> Yeah, best I can suggest is what wilee-nilee is suggesting, but other than that, I'm not entirely sure.
[20:17] <hitsujiTMO> BetaSoul: what version of ubuntu and what is the entry for the wifi device in: lspci
[20:17] <wilee-nilee> BetaSoul, So what do you want from us miracles. ;)
[20:17] <BetaSoul> 13.04
[20:17] <wafflejock> lesshaste: np good luck
[20:17] <lesshaste> thx
[20:17] <wilee-nilee> BetaSoul, Take it to a Ethernet port and install it.
[20:17] <BetaSoul> Atheros Commicnations inc AR9300 Wireless Lan Adaptor, rev 01
[20:18] <BetaSoul> wilee-nilee: If that were possible, I would. But its not.
[20:18] <lesshaste> I just did apt-get install pencil
[20:18] <BetaSoul> And I tried that when I was able, and it didn't help.
[20:18] <lesshaste> how do I find the name of the application I just installed!
[20:18] <lesshaste> it isn't called pencil apparently
[20:19] <wilee-nilee> BetaSoul, So this is a either wrong driver or you can't install it right?
[20:19] <MonkeyDust> !info pencil
[20:20] <BetaSoul> wilee-nilee: I'm not sure at this point. I've tried backports(which is supposed to support the chip), but the device still comes up as unclaimed on a lshw -c.
[20:21] <wilee-nilee> BetaSoul, That is a realtech in the end they are problematic work or don't work, get a usb that plugs and works.
[20:21] <NGabi> hello ! I would like to know how can I add a space string paremeter: sudo useradd -d  /home/al pacino   pacino , the   /home/al pacino does not work
[20:22] <zykotick9> NGabi: having a space in a username, is a bad idea... expect things to break.
[20:22] <lesshaste> MonkeyDust, did that tell us the answer?
[20:22] <BetaSoul> wilee-nilee: I've seen the exact card work. And its well reported to work.
[20:22] <zykotick9> NGabi: you can try /home/al\ pacino
[20:22] <wilee-nilee> BetaSoul, Does it, if it did you would not be here.
[20:23] <Wiz_KeeD> how do I check in ubuntu if a file exists?
[20:23] <wafflejock> lesshaste: sadly didn't know this off the top of my head
[20:23] <wafflejock> lesshaste: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/linux/show-the-list-of-installed-packages-on-ubuntu-or-debian/
[20:23] <hitsujiTMO> BetaSoul: whats the device id for the card?
[20:23] <MonkeyDust> lesshaste  i installed pencil myself, it shows up as pencil in the menu
[20:23] <BetaSoul> One moment
[20:23] <lesshaste> MonkeyDust, you have a menu? :)
[20:23] <lesshaste> MonkeyDust, which menu is this?
[20:23] <wilee-nilee> BetaSoul,  The gotta have a dream is better applied to objects that matter get a usb that works outta the bix,.
[20:23] <MonkeyDust> lesshaste  note: this is kde, not unity
[20:23] <lesshaste> ah
[20:23] <lesshaste> so I need a unity helper :)
[20:24] <MonkeyDust> lesshaste  unity jas its menu up left
[20:24] <MonkeyDust> has*
[20:25] <wafflejock> lesshaste: dpgk -L pencil
[20:25] <BetaSoul> wilee-nilee: Device id is the first five digitl number on lspci, correct?
[20:25] <lesshaste> thanks
[20:25] <lesshaste> got it to work
[20:25] <lesshaste> it was my mistake
[20:25] <BluesKaj> wilee-nilee. BetaSoul what about ndiswrapper ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[20:25] <wafflejock> lesshaste: k cool learned something anyhow :)
[20:26] <BetaSoul> BluesKaj: If I'm reading the lspic the id is 3116
[20:26] <hitsujiTMO> BetaSoul: lspci -nn | grep AR9300                its the last 4 nums in the [168c:XXXX] block
[20:26] <wilee-nilee> BluesKaj, Go for it, I put 20$ on the user could earn the 10$ for the usb in the time it takes to get it working if it gotten to working, probably much more money. One had to ask is this worth it, when other option may be easier.
[20:27] <jubale> Anyone have any idea ".." subdirectory of a site directory located in web server path would be owned by '99' group?
[20:28] <BetaSoul> ID is 168c:0030
[20:28] <bekks> jubale: Because someone set the ownership like that.
[20:28] <jubale> I'm sole user of this machine and I know I didn't do taht.
[20:28] <BetaSoul> hitsujiTMO: Thanks.
[20:28] <BluesKaj> BetaSoul. sudo modprobe ath9k , if it loads the driver there will be no output in the terminal
[20:28] <wilee-nilee> my laptop has a realtec, works every time, once it stops I will head straight to the store for a usb
[20:29] <bekks> jubale: Then the installation of something you set up in that path did it.
[20:29] <jubale> Possible to see a list of such changes?
[20:29] <hitsujiTMO> BetaSoul: where did you get the driver from?
[20:29] <BetaSoul> BluesKaj: Drive loaded.
[20:29] <bekks> jubale: Not without you havign created logs of everything you did.
[20:29] <BetaSoul> hitsujiTMO: Right now the machine is running a stock 13.04 image.
[20:29] <BetaSoul> BluesKaj: Driver loaded.
[20:30] <BluesKaj> BetaSoul. ok, try a browser, but you might have to reboot , not sure
[20:30] <Foxhoundz> Question about apache
[20:30] <wafflejock> !ask | Foxhoundz
[20:30] <Foxhoundz> I created a virtual hosts configuration file under /etc/apache2/sites-available
[20:30] <Foxhoundz> Oh can it
[20:30] <Foxhoundz> I'm working on it
[20:30] <BetaSoul> BluesKaj: Let me try the reboot. Right now it still says I'm offline in the network manager.
[20:30] <Foxhoundz> You just wanted to use that macro
[20:30] <Foxhoundz> ANYWAY.
[20:30] <FloodBot1> Foxhoundz: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:30] <wafflejock> I did :)
[20:31] <Foxhoundz> As I was saying,  I created a virtual hosts configuration file under /etc/apache2/sites-available but it's not being followed by apache
[20:31] <wafflejock> Foxhoundz: so you go to sudo a2ensite mysite and....
[20:31] <Foxhoundz> I restarted apache
[20:31] <Foxhoundz> but no joy
[20:31] <jubale> Crap! Realized these files are inside project directory not server directory, and technically on Windows partition.
[20:31] <wafflejock> Foxhoundz: so you did do teh a2ensite?
[20:32] <Foxhoundz> hmm
[20:32] <NGabi>  I created the user dicaprio with the home directory /home/leonardo, but when I try to open /home/leonardo it tells me that no such directory exists . Could somebody please tell me why?
[20:32] <Foxhoundz> What  does that do
[20:32] <hitsujiTMO> BetaSoul: : can you tell me the output of: modinfo ath9k | grep 168C.*0030
[20:32] <jubale> Probably explains why chmod finishes without error, but no permission changes are actually made.
[20:32] <daniel_> hello
[20:32] <wafflejock> a2ensite will make a symbolic link in sites-enabled from sites-available
[20:32] <daniel_> I got problem with rxtx and java
[20:32] <daniel_> on ubuntu
[20:32] <wafflejock> a2dissite to disable
[20:33] <wafflejock> so you need to put the stuff in sites-available (these are ones for you to choose from to enable or disable)
[20:33] <BetaSoul> hitsujiTMO: One moment.
[20:33] <wafflejock> then do a2ensite (sudo it ) then restart the service
[20:33] <lesshaste> do I still need ia32-libs to use vmware on an amd64?
[20:33] <wafflejock> sudo service apache2 restart
[20:33] <ftpuser> ok. sadly all of my DEs just broke >_>
[20:34] <ftpuser> how can i uninstall all of them, and reinstall unity?
[20:34] <ftpuser> i want everything stock, back to the way it was working
[20:34] <wafflejock> Foxhoundz: instead of a2ensite and a2dissite you could just ln -s or whatever to make a symbolic link yourself and use rm to delete but a2ensite and a2dissite makes it easier
[20:34] <NGabi>  I created the user dicaprio with the home directory /home/leonardo, but when I try to open /home/leonardo it tells me that no such directory exists . Could somebody please tell me why?
[20:34] <Foxhoundz> couldn't I just cp or mv the files to sites-enabled?
[20:35] <Foxhoundz> and if so, why is sites-available even there?
[20:35] <wafflejock> Foxhoundz: eh just stick with the model it's easier
[20:35] <wafflejock> sites-available gives you a place for everything you may use
[20:35] <wafflejock> sites-enabled is everything you are using
[20:35] <Foxhoundz> Anyway, it's not even working with your directions
[20:35] <Foxhoundz> I chose my file as instructed
[20:35] <wafflejock> say you want to kick on phpadmin for a second and not keep it on the live server
[20:35] <BetaSoul> hitsujiTMO: alias: pci:v0000168Cd00000030sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
[20:35] <wafflejock> when you restart apaceh are you getting any messages
[20:36] <zeifer> Ari-Yang, Hello again. Would you happen to recall what steps it was that we took last time I was here to get my ATI acceleration setup? I'm the one with an ATI HD 4250 on a Compaq CQ62 laptop.
[20:36] <hitsujiTMO> BetaSoul: seems you do have the write driver, so don't think its an issue with the driver itself
[20:36] <NGabi> Hello! I created the user dicaprio with the home directory /home/leonardo, but when I try to open /home/leonardo it tells me that no such directory exists . Could somebody please tell me why?
[20:36] <Foxhoundz> wafflejock, Invalid command 'NamedVirtualHost', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration
[20:36] <wafflejock> check out /var/log/apache2/error.log for log messages
[20:36] <hitsujiTMO> right*
[20:36] <Foxhoundz> wafflejock, and my vhost file: http://apaste.info/lxqW
[20:36] <chamunks> In byobu if I'm sharing a session with another admin is there some way to fix the fact that the other guy might be locking the session at a wierd resolution?
[20:36] <NGabi>  I created the user dicaprio with the home directory /home/leonardo, but when I try to open /home/leonardo it tells me that no such directory exists . Could somebody please tell me why?
[20:36] <BetaSoul> hitsujiTMO: That's good. Any ideas why the driver isn't claiming the device on startup?
[20:37] <hitsujiTMO> BetaSoul: not sure ...i haven't seen that happen before. the module is definately loaded? lsmod | grep ath9k
[20:38] <xangua> hi everyone, after i upgrade ubuntu 13.04 to 13.10 my bluetooth dongle stops being recognized, any suggestion on the issue?
[20:38] <wilee-nilee> NGabi, A new user has its own home
[20:38] <leon6238> hi
[20:38] <NGabi> Hello!  I created the user dicaprio with the home directory /home/leonardo, but when I try to open /home/leonardo it tells me that no such directory exists . Could somebody please tell me why?
[20:38] <Foxhoundz> I removed the NamedVirtualHosts directive and it worked
[20:38] <wafflejock> Foxhoundz: not familiar with that directive
[20:38] <wafflejock> Foxhoundz: cool
[20:38] <BetaSoul> hitsujiTMO: Yep, the common, hw, all of it.
[20:38] <rypervenche> NGabi: Because you did not create it.
[20:38] <Foxhoundz> now comes the hard part
[20:38] <wafflejock> Foxhoundz: yeah apache configuration is a bit of a nightmare for me
[20:38] <Foxhoundz> configuring the permissions
[20:38] <Foxhoundz> I'm a rookie with Linux
[20:39] <Foxhoundz> this is frustrating coming from a WAMP stack
[20:39] <hitsujiTMO> BetaSoul: and lspci -k shows that the device is using ath9k?
[20:39] <wafflejock> eh both systems have their advantages and disadvantages
[20:39] <MonkeyDust> Foxhoundz  it's called 'learning', like you had to learn others systems, too
[20:39] <wafflejock> Linux is more difficulty setting things up at times but tends to be better in the long game
[20:40] <wafflejock> installing some stuff is much easier
[20:40] <wafflejock> for example sudo apt-get install chromium
[20:40] <wafflejock> congrats new browser
[20:40] <BetaSoul> hitsujiTMO: ITs not show any driver attached.
[20:40] <wafflejock> no browsing the web for links or anything
[20:40] <xangua> wafflejock: congrats, new game
[20:40] <MonkeyDust> wafflejock  chromium is a game, chromium-browser is a, well, browser
[20:41] <wafflejock> ah heh
[20:41] <wafflejock> right sorry
[20:41] <wafflejock> chromium is cool to though
[20:41] <wafflejock> so get that anywy :)
[20:41] <hitsujiTMO> BetaSoul: maybe a conflicting module. can you dump lsmod to a file, copy to your current machine and post it
[20:42] <BetaSoul> hitsujiTMO: Sure can.
[20:42] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: no I can't recall the steps (if you mean by me typing it out all over again). Just make sure you aren't using proprietary drivers, add the ppa (can be found on this page https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/graphics-drivers/ ) and run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and run these in case they haven't been updated/installed sudo apt-get install linux-firmware libg3dvl-mesa libg3dvl-mesa-dbg libvdpau1
[20:42] <Ari-Yang> libvdpau-dev
[20:42] <zykotick9> MonkeyDust: ahhh, recently "chromium" the google project was given the package name "chromium" and the game was relagated to chromium-bsu or something... at least in some other DEB based distros (i'd assume ubuntu as well)
[20:42] <zykotick9> !info chromium
[20:42] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: oh and upgrade your kernel to latest stable (3.11.6)
[20:42] <zykotick9> lame
[20:42] <MonkeyDust> zykotick9  yes, it's confusing, sometimes
[20:42] <wilee-nilee> chromium is in a ppa
[20:42] <Ari-Yang> good luck
[20:42] <wafflejock> either way get them both
[20:42] <wafflejock> haha
[20:43] <wilee-nilee> chromium browser that is lol
[20:43] <theadmin> zykotick9: Is chromium-browser
[20:43] <wafflejock> point was just some stuff goes smoother
[20:43] <theadmin> zykotick9: The game is chromium-bsu
[20:43] <wafflejock> apparently horrible example
[20:43] <zykotick9> theadmin: in ubuntu :p
[20:43] <theadmin> zykotick9: "chromium" is not a package since at least Precise.
[20:43] <wafflejock> okay sudo apt-get install firefox
[20:43] <wafflejock> there's no firefox game is there :)
[20:44] <Calinou> it would refuse to work and instead print: "what does the firefox say"
[20:44] <Calinou> :p
[20:44] <zykotick9> theadmin, i've got "chromium - Google's open source chromium web browser" :p
[20:44] <BetaSoul> hitsujiTMO: http://pastebin.com/nrFRiaiK
[20:44] <theadmin> zykotick9: That's because you are on a Debian box, I suppose.
[20:45] <hitsujiTMO> yup, ath9k aint loading
[20:46] <killer> Hey , I dual boot ubuntu and debian , now I want ubuntu bootloader to be default instead of debian
[20:46] <zeifer> Ari-Yang, I just automatically upgraded to 3.11.5 on 13.04. Since I have to redo my graphics setup anyways, how can I go about grabbing that kernel?
[20:47] <BetaSoul> hitsujiTMO: Any ideas as to why
[20:47] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: 3.11.5 is fine... now if you just want the latest stable here http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[20:47] <hitsujiTMO> BetaSoul: can you try: running these and get me the resulting file
[20:47] <hitsujiTMO> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6355221/
[20:48] <wilee-nilee> killer, IN the ubuntu desktop sudo grub-install /dev/sdX ; sudo update-grub  X is the HD's mbr like sda or sdb check to make sure.
[20:50] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: oh and for dpm (dynamic power management) make GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash " look like this GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash radeon.dpm=1" then run sudo update-grub
[20:50] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: those lines are in grub (/etc/default/grub)
[20:51] <BetaSoul> hitsujiTMO: https://gist.github.com/LibertyBeta/7294659
[20:54] <intrader> Anyone, I would like to see a file hierarchy instead of the view the navigator displays -
[20:55] <essar> how do I *disable* the automounting that any user is able to do without any root privileges? (currently only observed through nautilus)
[20:55] <essar> this is a thing I only want root to be able to do.
[20:56] <Kalel> Greetings..
[20:56] <hitsujiTMO> betasoul: can you try: sudo modprobe -r asus_wmi && sudo modprobe ath9k
[20:56] <zeifer> Ari-Yang, It appears that the grub lines are still there. I'm thinking something knocked my xorg config out. Had been working fine since you helped me set it up until yesterday.
[20:56] <BetaSoul> One moment.
[20:56] <zeifer> Hopped on today and tried to play Splice and it crashed.
[20:57] <wilee-nilee> essar, root, can you explain better, do you mean a password protected mount?
[20:57] <Kalel> I would like to speed up qbittorrent donloads in ubuntu 13.04. Is there a way to do that?
[20:57] <BetaSoul> hitsujiTMO: First one is fatal error, in use.
[20:57] <essar> wilee-nilee: sorry, I forgot this is ubuntu - yes, password protected mount
[20:57] <BetaSoul> hitsujiTMO: Second, no output.
[20:57] <wilee-nilee> Kalel, Only as fast as they come in probably not.
[20:57] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: alright, if the lines are still there then that's good... pastebin your GRUB file, I want to see it. so what are you doing, ditching fglrx and use the open source radeon?
[20:58] <hitsujiTMO> betasoul: can you try: sudo modprobe -r sparse_keymap && sudo modprobe -r asus_wmi && sudo modprobe ath9k
[20:59] <essar> wilee-nilee: perhaps by removing myself from the plugdev group?
[20:59] <wilee-nilee> essar, supposedly works use with caution. http://askubuntu.com/questions/211623/how-to-make-ubuntu-ask-for-password-when-mounting-partitions
[20:59] <BetaSoul> hitsujiTMO: Thre commands, right?
[20:59] <zykotick9> essar: (while i don't personally have automount on my computers) i'd suggest STRONGLY you don't try to do this.  It's gonna have far reaching implications in your DE (gnome or kde).  you'll be giving up a lot!
[20:59] <essar> zykotick9: I don't use gnome or kde
[20:59] <essar> or care :)
[20:59] <essar> but thanks
[20:59] <hitsujiTMO> BetaSoul: just do it all as one command  with the &&   if one fails it wont continue
[20:59] <zeifer> Ari-Yang, http://pastebin.com/YjSScN9r Grub there. I can't seem to recall what we were using that worked. I do remember the proprietary giving me problems because of ATI moving my card to legacy and not supporting Linux anymore.
[20:59] <BetaSoul> hitsujiTMO: Neat. First fails, in use.
[21:00] <zykotick9> essar: then how do you have automount?  you did have gnome/kde at one time?
[21:00] <hitsujiTMO> BetaSoul: modprobe -r eeepc_wmi
[21:01] <intrader> Anyone, I would like to see a file hierarchy instead of the view the navigator displays - I have tried ddir
[21:01] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: yes that looks fine. You said that you wanted your setup to be like before, with the open source drivers. refer to my last response (adding the ppa and apt-get the stuff I said), just make sure all proprietary drivers are not in use; good luck.
[21:01] <BetaSoul> hitsujiTMO: No output.
[21:01] <zykotick9> essar: but look into fuse (file system in user space) and the various gvfs stuff.  i really have NO idea how you can, or if it's feasable, it's CERTAINLY not recommended ;)
[21:01] <hitsujiTMO> betasoul: modprobe ath9k
[21:02] <NGabi> I have a directory student, conatins: Music; I tryed: "student $ tar -zcvf Music/myArch.tar.gz --exclude='Music/Blues' --exclude='Music/Jazz' /home/student"   but it does not work. Could someone please tell me what's wrong?
[21:02] <BetaSoul> hitsujiTMO: No output.
[21:02] <hitsujiTMO> BetaSoul: check your wifi now
[21:03] <BetaSoul> hitsujiTMO: Only showing a ethernet connection.
[21:03] <new0> how can i download skype?
[21:03] <deper29> new0: sudo apt-get install skype
[21:03] <BetaSoul> hitsujiTMO: REstart betwork manager?
[21:03] <hitsujiTMO> BetaSoul: nah, it should just show up
[21:03] <essar> zykotick9: no, ubuntu desktop just tends to install a *lot* more than I want or need (which is still great if I want to be lazy)
[21:04] <deper29> essar: what do you use for a de?
[21:04] <new0> deper29, tnx. but it give: E: Unable to locate package skype
[21:04] <essar> deper29: in general, tiling window managers - currently using i3
[21:04] <essar> I don't have a "desktop environment" so to speak
[21:05] <BetaSoul> hitsujiTMO: Network is still showing up as unclaimed. Going to reboot, takes seconds, and see if that helps.
[21:05] <essar> just a lot of keybindings :)
[21:05] <deper29> essar: ahh, I've been meaning to try i3. I'm using awesome right now. I actually just switched to awesome 3.5 and my rc.lua is not happy :(
[21:05] <deper29> I love wm's much more
[21:05] <essar> I tried awesome once, I didn't like its default behaviour and did not feel like trying to write lua scripts
[21:05] <new0> deper29, any idea?
[21:05] <essar> that said, I used to use ion3 (and then notion when that went to ****)
[21:06] <BetaSoul> hitsujiTMO: Nope, still down.
[21:06] <essar> i3 isn't scriptable but so far I don't care
[21:07] <deper29> new0: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype you have to add the repository first
[21:07] <bjrohan> BluesKaj: Hey there. I am still having issues getting my sound to work (it had worked before) in Kubuntu. No help in Kubuntu, I was hoping you could help
[21:07] <new0> deper29, tnx
[21:07] <zeifer> Ari-Yang, Just to verify something, do I want xserver-xorg-video-radeon?
[21:08] <BluesKaj> bjrohan. I'm in #kubuntu , just made a suggestion there
[21:08] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: ofc you do, that's the open source radeon driver
[21:08] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: you don't want anything fglrx
[21:09] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: like fglrx and fglrx-amdccle
[21:09] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: sudo apt-get purge fglrx* or sudo aptitude purge fglrx*
[21:09] <bjrohan> sorry
[21:09] <zeifer> Thank you. I just wanted to make sure I picked the right one, I have a bad habit of choosing badly. Thanks again, Ari-Yang.
[21:09] <BluesKaj> bjrohan. np
[21:09] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: You are welcome... Did you add the ppa?
[21:10] <zeifer> Ari-Yang, the oibaf one? Yeah.
[21:10] <new0> deper29, http://pastebin.com/c9gDdik7
[21:10] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: and you ran apt-get dist-upgrade?
[21:10] <zeifer> Forgot to do that.
[21:11] <BetaSoul> Bleck, I've had enough of debuggin this for tonight.
[21:11] <BetaSoul> hitsujiTMO: Thanks for trying so fard.
[21:11] <Ari-Yang> how could you forget to update everything after adding the ppa? .__.
[21:11] <BetaSoul> hitsujiTMO: *hard
[21:11] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: you can apt-get dist-upgrade or use software updater
[21:11] <deper29> new0: check spelling
[21:11] <BetaSoul> Any one know what grub-set-default isn't working.
[21:11] <new0> deper29, i copy&paste it
[21:12] <hitsujiTMO> BetaSoul: not sure what the issue is,. I would try blacklisting asus_wmi or eeepc_wmi and doing a reboot. failing that it's downloading the latest driver and build that
[21:12] <BetaSoul> hitsujiTMO: How do I blacklist?
[21:12] <zeifer> Ari-Yang, Been stuck using Windows systems too long. dist-upgrade didn't do much of anything, though. I did do apt-get update
[21:12] <essar> boo, wilee-nilee left - but yes that worked
[21:12] <lesshaste> do I still need ia32-libs to use vmware on an amd64?
[21:12] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: what you're suppose to do is add the ppa, then apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:12] <new0> how can i add my self to group?
[21:13] <tinyafair> hi
[21:13] <lesshaste> the google calendar icon in the left column of unity has the wrong date
[21:13] <lesshaste> how do you fix that?
[21:13] <hitsujiTMO> BetaSoul: echo "blacklist eeepc-wmi" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf && echo "blacklist asus-wmi" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf            do a reboot and if that doesn't work, remove the entries from the blacklist conf and get the lastest driver and build that
[21:14] <deper29> new0: check spelling. You spelled architecture wrong
[21:14] <lesshaste> it says "31" in big letters
[21:14] <new0> deper29, ok will retry
[21:14] <BetaSoul> hitsujiTMO: One last question: I haven't edited grub in forever. What do I hve to do to manually change it now?
[21:15] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: did dist-upgrade run after doing the apt-get update?
[21:15] <new0> deper29, this is the command i just paste from the link: sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386
[21:15] <bekks> lesshaste: thats the number of unread mail.
[21:15] <zeifer> Ari-Yang, Calculating upgrade... Done
[21:15] <zeifer> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[21:15] <lesshaste> bekks, when you hover or it is says "calendar"
[21:15] <lesshaste> bekks, hover over it
[21:16] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: pastebin the output of glxinfo | grep Open
[21:16] <hitsujiTMO> BetaSoul: basic var in /etc/default/grub    generator is in /etc/grub.d/       after any changes run: update-grub
[21:16] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: you should get something like this http://paste.opensuse.org/view/raw/22852508
[21:16] <deper29> new0: to add to a groupd you want to do 'sudo usermod -a -G GROUP USER'
[21:16] <new0> deper29, tnx
[21:16] <BetaSoul> hitsujiTMO: Thanks.
[21:17] <zeifer> Ari-Yang, Not looking good. I don't know what happened between yesterday and today. http://pastebin.com/PVdSYqcr
[21:17] <lesshaste> are the things in the left hand column in unity called "applets"?
[21:18] <lesshaste> the icons
[21:18] <exilarch> Hello, just installed 13.10 and updated ,I have not shutdown/ restart button (http://i.imgur.com/6nt30XD.jpg)
[21:18] <new0> deper29, ok. how can i see what users on the group?
[21:18] <zeifer> Ari-Yang, I've never heard of it happening but I installed Beat Hazard Ultra and Splice and I end up with Nvidia X Settings in my Settings Manager
[21:19] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: To be honest I do not know what you're doing wrong. I'm not sure if you uninstalled fglrx rebooted etc., make sure you are only using free drivers and not the proprietary ones before upgrading the kernel. What you're doing is pretty simple, I'm sorry but I'm moving on :/
[21:19] <zeifer> Not that I used it but I saw it there.
[21:20] <FrancisH> hey guys, what are the min requirements for running MAAS?
[21:20] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: now you can either start from scratch, as in removing the ppa and using ubuntu's stuff and uninstalling the kernel and using ubuntu's etc. install fglrx; and if everything works fine, then uninstall fglrx and boot using the open source radeon driver first, before doing anything else
[21:20] <wafflejock> lesshaste: don't believe so, believe that's just referred to as the launcher and those are .desktop files, applets in my experience just describe in browser Java "mini-applications"
[21:20] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: if you can do that, ask for my help, and if I'm in the mood I'll instruct you further.
[21:20] <Ari-Yang> good luck
[21:21] <lesshaste> wafflejock, ok.. so is each one an icon?
[21:22] <deper29> new0: you know, I don't think I can think of an easy way to do that
[21:22] <deper29> there's no command I can think of that does that anyway
[21:22] <new0> deper29, well, i have a DIR and i see it lock. so i can't copy a downloaded file to it
[21:22] <wafflejock> lesshaste: yeah each one is a representation that's described in a .desktop file somewhere... honestly not sure where the defaults are stored
[21:23] <lesshaste> wafflejock, ok.. weird that the calendar says 31
[21:23] <new0> deper29, maybe i need to change the owner of the DIR to me instead the group
[21:23] <deper29> new0: if you want to see the users in a group you can try looking in /etc/group
[21:23] <hitsujiTMO> new0: cat /etc/group | grep <group>         should list users in a group
[21:24] <wafflejock> lesshaste: I'm in kubuntu not sure which calendar you're referring to
[21:24] <new0> deper29, hitsujiTMO yes yes. i am in there. but why i can't copy to it? (DIR)
[21:24] <deper29> new0: er, copy to it?
[21:24] <wafflejock> yeah did some googling on that lookng up groups business and hadn't thought about it but with PAM it is a bit difficult eh
[21:25] <deper29> you don't want to edit that file
[21:25] <wafflejock> yeah you want to use usermod or useradd or the like
[21:25] <new0> deper29, yes. i have i folder that i need to cp to it
[21:25] <lesshaste> wafflejock, there is a column of icons on the left. In may case they are "search...", "Files", "firefox", ubuntu software centre", "system settings", "gmail", "bbc news", "google calendar" etc.
[21:26] <new0> deper29, the destanetion folder are owned by the group and i am in the group but can't copy to it
[21:26] <wafflejock> lesshaste: ah didn't realize they had google calendar in there you on 13.10?
[21:26] <deper29> new0: what folder?
[21:26] <deper29> like, path
[21:26] <new0> deper29, i just download bootstrap ~/Download/bootstrap and i want to copy it to ~/www
[21:26] <wafflejock> lesshaste: I believe that's just a standard google calendar icon on the phones too... just checked it is
[21:26] <lesshaste> wafflejock, 13.04
[21:27] <lesshaste> wafflejock, so it has 31 written on it
[21:27] <wafflejock> yeah I'm 13.04 too just abandoned Unity but didn't recall that
[21:27] <lesshaste> wafflejock, surely that isn't right
[21:27] <wafflejock> lesshaste: yeah it's just an image
[21:27] <new0> deper29, yes. permission denided
[21:27] <deper29> new0: cp -r ~/Download/bootstrap ~/www/
[21:27] <new0> deper29, i mean some error
[21:27] <lesshaste> wafflejock, right but shouldn't the image change??
[21:27] <wafflejock> lesshaste: you can change your clock settings to show date
[21:27] <lesshaste> wafflejock, I mean 31 is not very helpful
[21:27] <wafflejock> lesshaste: no it's not meant to
[21:27] <lesshaste> wafflejock, how?
[21:27] <wafflejock> lesshaste: that's an icon to launch google calendar
[21:27] <wafflejock> lesshaste: it's branded
[21:27] <lesshaste> wafflejock, yes
[21:28] <lesshaste> wafflejock, the brand is "31"??
[21:28] <wafflejock> lesshaste: it's Google Calednar
[21:28] <lesshaste> I know
[21:28] <wafflejock> it's their icon they use for everything I'm saying
[21:28] <lesshaste> but why is it labelled only with the number 31
[21:28] <lesshaste> they don't use 31 for everything :)
[21:28] <new0> deper29, Thank You
[21:28] <wafflejock> they use that same icon for their calendar app everywhere
[21:29] <wafflejock> i know its stupid
[21:29] <lesshaste> wafflejock,so you mean that all their calendar apps icons say the number "31"??
[21:29] <wafflejock> yeah
[21:29] <wafflejock> but you can right click the clock and adjust how it shows the time/date info
[21:29] <lesshaste> you can't
[21:30] <wafflejock> lesshaste: oh sorry you can in KDE...
[21:30] <lesshaste> right click offers only "Google calendar" and "unlock from launcher"
[21:30] <wafflejock> lesshaste: must be in the system settings then
[21:30] <wafflejock> oh not on tha
[21:30] <wafflejock> where it has the time in the top right
[21:30] <wafflejock> by where your little logout gear is at
[21:30] <lesshaste> I can look at the settings there
[21:30] <lesshaste> wafflejock, but that adjusts the time
[21:30] <lesshaste> wafflejock, I dno't see an option to change the calender icon
[21:31] <wafflejock> should have some time display options too I think
[21:31] <wafflejock> no the calednar icon is just an icon
[21:31] <wafflejock> they are never live so far as I know
[21:31] <wafflejock> you can just remove that if you don't use google calendar and just want to see the current time/date
[21:31] <wafflejock> use the clock in the panel on the top right though to have it display the date as well if you'd like
[21:32] <lesshaste> I do use google calendar
[21:32] <wafflejock> lesshaste: I personally like KDE more because you can really customize the heck out of all the panels and whatnot and the widgets with calendars and the like are nice
[21:32] <new0> how can i owned a DIR?
[21:33] <wafflejock> lesshaste: you have to enjoy messing with configuration a bit though
[21:33] <wafflejock> new0: man chown
[21:33] <wafflejock> sudo chown user:group filetarget
[21:33] <wafflejock> basically
[21:33] <wafflejock> !chown
[21:34] <deper29> new0: you own everythnig in your home directory likely
[21:34] <wafflejock> new0: are you trying to copy into /var/www ?
[21:34] <lesshaste> wafflejock, I see this is a 3 year old question http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/calendar/UL2vmQWoMVI
[21:34] <x_root> how to mount isos on ubuntu 13.10? in ubuntu 13.04 was just click and mount
[21:34] <x_root> but now, i did this and didn't mount
[21:35] <new0> deper29, tnx. wafflejock now it's ~/www
[21:36] <lesshaste> wafflejock, and apparently it was fixed in 2011 http://gmailblog.blogspot.co.uk/2011/04/5-years-of-google-calendar-and-new.html
[21:36] <lesshaste> wafflejock, but not on linux :)
[21:36] <wafflejock> lesshaste: well I don't think the .desktop files support updating live
[21:36] <deper29> x_root: oh man, I think 'mount -o loop -t iso9660 file.iso /mntpoint
[21:36] <lesshaste> wafflejock, an interesting question
[21:37] <wafflejock> lesshaste: I'm not entirely sure but the KDE widgets are more what you're thinking of, active little programs that show some information like calendar or time or a ball you can throw around
[21:37] <lesshaste> wafflejock, they should!
[21:37] <wafflejock> lesshaste: we should is always the answer in open source :)
[21:37] <lesshaste> :)
[21:37] <x_root> deper29, but is not possible anymore with nautilus? just 'click 'n play'?
[21:38] <deper29> x_root: oh, I don't know. I've always mounted like that. It's also always worked for me.
[21:38] <lesshaste> wafflejock, is there a unity channel?
[21:38] <wafflejock> lesshaste: I'm not sure about that just hang out in here and ubuntu-offtopic and angularjs and some other programming ones
[21:38] <lesshaste>  unity3d apparently
[21:39] <wafflejock> lesshaste: that may be for unity 3d platform for game development... maybe not though
[21:39] <new0> right now i have a folder that own by group and i want to change it to me. (adding my self to the group not helping) can't rename the folder
[21:39] <lesshaste> ah
[21:39] <lesshaste> ubuntu-unity
[21:39] <wafflejock> lesshaste: yah more likely :)
[21:39] <dangle> hello
[21:40] <tinyafair> hi
[21:40] <dangle> i am trying to get znc running on my machine and it wont work
[21:40] <bekks> !doesntwork | dangle
[21:40] <wafflejock> new0: you should make sure you're understanding what you're doing while messing with permissions, things can go bad if you rush through it... double check your in the group type
[21:40] <wafflejock> groups
[21:41] <suigeneris> hi
[21:41] <wafflejock> new0: check the folder permissions
[21:41] <wafflejock> ls -al /var/www
[21:41] <suigeneris> I typed sudo apt-get build-dep kvirc then svn co'd kvirc. however when I type cmake .., , I get 'no Qt4 or Qt5 found'. how to fix this? or should I turn to #ubuntu ?
[21:41] <dray> Hi everybody
[21:41] <suigeneris> ignore the last part
[21:41] <suigeneris> hi Dr.Nick
[21:42] <dangle> ok, i just did 'make clean' on it. can someone please walk me through what must me done?
[21:42] <new0> wafflejock, i also should read what you (all) write to me! i did man chmod instead of man chown.
[21:42] <deper29> dangle: just re-make
[21:43] <new0> wafflejock, not sure what it was. but not it's drwxrwxr-x 7 user ..........
[21:43] <new0> wafflejock, *but NOW it's ....
[21:43] <bekks> dangle: why dont you just install znc from the repos?
[21:43] <bekks> !info znc
[21:44] <dangle> ok
[21:44] <dangle> i have rebuilt it
[21:44] <bekks> dangle: Why?
[21:44] <suigeneris> what package do I need for qt4?
[21:45] <deper29> dangle: make clean usually just removes stuff that was built
[21:45] <new0> wafflejock, and i wasn't able to change the folder name even when i was on the group
[21:45] <dangle> i update things like gcc and other compiler workhorses
[21:46] <bekks> dangle: Whats the big picture? Why dont you just install znc from the repos?
[21:48] <dangle> oh right i am having another problem
[21:48] <bekks> dangle: So which is it?
[21:48] <dangle> dingle@dingle:~$ sudo apt-get update gcc
[21:48] <dangle> sudo: unable to resolve host dingle
[21:48] <bekks> dangle: then provide the IP of "dingle" in /etc/hosts or in the DNS server used.
[21:49] <bekks> dangle: Which ununt version are you on?
[21:49] <bekks> *ubuntu even
[21:49] <dangle> its suppose to be secretpolice.net
[21:49] <deper29> dangle: that isn't how that works
[21:50] <deper29> and I kind of agree with bekks here. why not just install znc from the repo? Why build that from source but not build gcc from source?
[21:51] <intrpngn> secretpolice.net  It works!
[21:51] <bekks> dangle: Which ubuntu version are you on?
[21:51] <dangle> its in repo?
[21:52] <dangle> secretpolice.net still doesnt work?
[21:52] <dangle> arg...........
[21:52] <bekks> dangle: Which ubuntu version are you on?
[21:52] <dangle> dingle@dingle:~$ sudo apt-get znc
[21:52] <dangle> sudo: unable to resolve host dingle
[21:52] <dangle> E: Invalid operation znc
[21:52] <dangle> 8 or some old shit like that
[21:53] <deper29> dangle: sudo apt-get install
[21:53] <bekks> dangle: thats out of support in here then.
[21:53] <dangle> no go
[21:54] <IdleOne> dangle: what does " lsb_release -a " tell you the version is?
[21:54] <wilee-nilee> !info zn
[21:54] <bekks> !eolupgrades | dangle
[21:54] <wilee-nilee> !find znc
[21:54] <wilee-nilee> thar it be
[21:54] <dangle> No LSB modules are available.
[21:55] <dangle> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[21:55] <dangle> Description:	Ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS
[21:55] <dangle> Release:	10.04
[21:55] <dangle> Codename:	lucid
[21:55] <FloodBot1> dangle: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:55] <IdleOne> dangle: 10.04 is no longer supported on the desktop
[21:55] <dangle> shocking.
[21:56] <darkkblack> i got minecraft and installed it for ubntu but it wont let me select anything
[21:56] <dangle> IdleOne: this is on a vps, i cant control the versions of things
[21:56] <buu> So uh, why does ubuntu usb installer 13.10 boot to busybox on systems with more than one hard drive?
[21:56] <wilee-nilee> dangle: your just dingling from support, hehe
[21:56] <IdleOne> dangle: then you need to ask your provider to update it for you
[21:56] <deper29> dangle: just build from source then :P
[21:57] <darkkblack> can anybody help
[21:57] <wilee-nilee> buu: check the sum should  not be happening
[21:57] <IdleOne> darkkblack: the minecraft people can. minecraft is not in the repos, so we can't support it here.
[21:57] <dangle> i dont remember what my provider is
[21:58] <buu> wilee-nilee: checksum is fine, it happens to lots of people
[21:58] <IdleOne> dangle: you don't know who you pay for the vps?
[21:58] <wilee-nilee> buu: Really, prove it.
[21:58] <buu> wilee-nilee: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1241589
[22:00] <dangle> i got it
[22:01] <dangle> sh3lls.net
[22:01] <TDJACR> Is there a good way to set permissions on a directory such that when a user adds a file to that directory, the file group permissions are set to a group the user is in, but not the user's default group?
[22:02] <knifes_deuclion> what do you  think about ubuntu 13.10
[22:02] <wilee-nilee> buu: Heh,  not sure when 23 out of all possible users became a lot, but you go huh.
[22:05] <MonkeyDust> TDJACR  you want permissions to change automatically, when a file is placed in a specific folder?
[22:07] <knifes> what do you thank about ubuntu 13.10
[22:09] <k1l> knifes: its great :) but do you have a technical support issue with it?
[22:09] <Ubuntivity> Hello everyone
[22:10] <moppy> knifes, well it is an improvement over 13.04
[22:10] <Ubuntivity> My friend has a DELL Inspiron Mini 10 with XP preinstalled, I want to dual boot it with Ubuntu 12.04 but I found that its partitioning is confusing
[22:10] <suigeneris> what package do I need for qt4?
[22:11] <Ubuntivity> there is a partition named 'DellUtility' which is FAT16 and 41MB in size
[22:11] <bekks> suigeneris: apt-cache search qt4
[22:11] <knifes_deuclion> what do you thank about ubuntu 13.10
[22:11] <x_root> knifes_deuclion, using it now..
[22:11] <x_root> prefer 13.04
[22:12] <wilee-nilee> Ubuntivity: take a screenshot of gparted on the install and imagebin it.
[22:12] <fztor> Ubuntivity: it contains dell utilities :o
[22:12] <suigeneris> bekks: I get quite a few results
[22:12] <Ubuntivity> wilee-nilee: gparted couldn't recognize the partitions, only disk utility did
[22:12] <k1l> Ubuntivity: its for the special bootup dell special OS, or for recovery. that depends on the make and model
[22:12] <Ubuntivity> fztor: are those utilities related to booting XP?
[22:13] <wilee-nilee> Ubuntivity: watch out for 4 primary partitions already the max allowed.
[22:13] <fztor> Ubuntivity: I remember mine had some bios flashing utilities and drivers, nothing I couldn't live without
[22:13] <bekks> Ubuntivity: they are related to dell.
[22:15] <knifes_deuclion> ubuntu 13.10 they are little fix to do but i like ubuntu 13.10
[22:15] <wilee-nilee> Ubuntivity: Not recognized would be a red flag for me if not a unusual setup, may have a broken partition table or needs a chkdsk.
[22:16] <wilee-nilee> or dynamic
[22:17] <wafflejock> Ubuntivity: yeah usually they'll install a recovery partition or a second partition with drivers and the like not going to be directly needed to run the main OS
[22:17] <knifes_deuclion> the error can be fix to make it better.
[22:18] <knifes_deuclion> you just have to find out how to fix it
[22:18] <Ubuntivity> wilee-nilee: so do you suggest I should perform fsck (or chkdsk if it is different)?
[22:19] <joossee> how do I install startx/GUI off the ubuntu CD?
[22:19] <Ubuntivity> wilee-nilee: or is there any better (and reliable) method to check the partition table for possible errors?
[22:19] <k1l> joossee: can you rephrase?
[22:19] <wafflejock> Ubuntivity: think you should go with chkdsk, will verify the NTFS settings are good and check the disk
[22:19] <wilee-nilee> Ubuntivity: never a fsck but a chkdsk might be the answer, hard to say without more info.
[22:19] <wafflejock> Ubuntivity: fsck usually for Linux partitions
[22:20] <Ubuntivity> Ah I see.. thanks wafflejock and wilee-nilee.
[22:20] <joossee> kil; i cannot install startx using aptget bc machine has no inet...?
[22:20] <Ubuntivity> But will chkdsk fix problems as well as detecting them?
[22:20] <k1l> joossee: there is no startx. install a desktop. like ubuntu-desktop
[22:21]  * Ubuntivity goes to man chkdsk
[22:21] <joossee> kil;kil; can i do that off the install CD somehow?
[22:21] <k1l> joossee: i dont know what you try to do there
[22:21] <bekks> Ubuntivity: dont do that on the dell partition.
[22:21] <Ubuntivity> bekks: why?
[22:21] <fztor> Ubuntivity: if all else fails there's always SpinRite which can magically fix your harddrives (not a joke)
[22:21] <bekks> Ubuntivity: either dont touch it at all, or remove it.
[22:22] <wilee-nilee> Ubuntivity: hard to say a dynamic hd accidently made would not be fixed, probably not the issue, but one never knows without seeing.
[22:22] <bekks> Ubuntivity: Most likely, you will break it.
[22:22] <k1l> joossee: the install cd already got a working desktop. if you install ubuntu there will be a desktop
[22:22] <joossee> kill whats the command line to install ubuntu desktop?
[22:22] <revelation> hi
[22:22] <revelation> need help
[22:22] <Ubuntivity> bekks: what is the worst thing that can happen if I mess with DellUtility?
[22:23]  * Ubuntivity can't find chkdsk command on his Ubuntu ://
[22:23] <joossee> kil; i had to set some grub options to getmy displays to work? "quiet splash nomodeset" in grub. i can get to CLI but no windows?
[22:23] <bekks> Ubuntivity: you break it, something happens to your laptop later, you cant run the diagnostics, and dell refuses support.
[22:23] <wilee-nilee> Ubuntivity: Is your friend backed up, and do you want the blame if not if it goes south?
[22:23] <k1l> joossee: if you did install a regular ubuntu there is a problem which stops the desktop from starting.
[22:23] <joossee> k1l; how do I launch ubuntu desktop?
[22:24] <bekks> Ubuntivity: so choose well, dont touch it, or live with the risk of losing support.
[22:24] <Ubuntivity> wilee-nilee: bekks: his laptop is off warranty, and I doubt he'll blame me later if I describe the risks for him (as soon as I understand them!)
[22:24] <k1l> joossee: so you should investigate what is causing that failure
[22:24] <joossee> k1l; its AMD video card
[22:24] <wafflejock> Ubuntivity: if it's a new machine and you have the key and a OS disk not a huge risk doing much of anything... if there's data involved another story
[22:24] <fztor> Ubuntivity: you can safely delete the dell utilities
[22:24] <k1l> joossee: if you know you need to use nomodeset, then do it
[22:24] <joossee> k1l its on the forums but im not sure how to isntall the correct drivers for FireMV 2250
[22:24] <k1l> !nomodeset | joossee
[22:24] <bekks> Ubuntivity: And for running chkdsk, you need a Windows.
[22:25] <Ubuntivity> fztor: will deleting DellUtility affect the preinstalled Windows XP?
[22:25] <fztor> no
[22:25] <joossee> k1l; yes that I already set
[22:25] <joossee> otherwise I get black screens
[22:25] <Ubuntivity> bekks: what do you suggest for me to dual-boot it with XP and Ubuntu 12.04? Should I resize the factory-made NTFS partition to make space for Ubuntu?
[22:26] <bekks> !dualboot | Ubuntivity
[22:26] <k1l> joossee: i am not familiar with amd. but fglrx is the driver
[22:26] <k1l> !fglrx | joossee
[22:26] <joossee> fglrx ok i will look that up
[22:26] <joossee> ty
[22:26] <Ubuntivity> bekks: will resizing the NTFS partition reserve its contents?
[22:27] <notmath> where is a math channel anyone?
[22:27] <bekks> Ubuntivity: If in doubt, backup the data. Without a backup, you dont have anything worth to be kept.
[22:27] <LjL> notmath: type /msg alis list *math*
[22:28] <Ubuntivity> bekks: backup is my rule #1, but I'm wondering how would I backup Windows XP itself?
[22:28] <joossee> lol it actually sasy "nee ATI" lololol
[22:28] <wafflejock> Ubuntivity: Clonezilla
[22:28] <DrGrov> Is there any way to force fullscreen in 13.10 for certain apps?
[22:29] <DrGrov> I keep having the upper bar in the way cluttering up precious space from VLC :/
[22:29] <wafflejock> Ubuntivity: it's a burnable iso that boots up and has a program dd that will do block by block copy of an entire disk or partition
[22:29] <wafflejock> Ubuntivity: it doesn't care what the file system is really so long as it can be mounted and or written depending on the scenario
[22:29] <Ubuntivity> wafflejock: can it be placed on a bootable USB? You know the Inspiron Mini has no CD drive.
[22:29] <k1l> DrGrov: doubleclick into vlc window
[22:30] <Ubuntivity> wafflejock: and doesn't every Linux distro has a dd tool?
[22:30] <wafflejock> Ubuntivity: I imagine so though I've never tried... you could just use dd from within a liveCD
[22:30] <wafflejock> Ubuntivity: yeah believe so
[22:30] <wafflejock> Ubuntivity: clonezilla just gives a nice interface to connect to network and ask for what you want to do
[22:30] <wafflejock> Ubuntivity: if CD isn't an option it's not as ideal
[22:30] <Ubuntivity> wafflejock: I could boot Ubuntu 12.04 on the Inspiron Mini using USB, and I'll be backing up to an external hard disk mostly
[22:31] <Ubuntivity> So I just need to figure out how to give dd the exact length of data to be 'backed up'???
[22:31] <DrGrov> k1l: That still keeps the top bar visible. I am trying to use custom VLC skins since they are more attractive and sexy.
[22:31] <wafflejock> Ubuntivity: that should work fine you just have to make sure you get your "if" input and "of" output parameters correct
[22:31] <wafflejock> Ubuntivity: you just tell it source and destination and block size
[22:31] <Ubuntivity> wafflejock: what does 'block size' represent?
[22:31] <DrGrov> k1l: But of course I could revert back to default VLC skin and leave it be :) Unless... There is a solution perhaps?
[22:31] <k1l> DrGrov: which desktop is this?
[22:31] <bekks> Ubuntivity: No.
[22:31] <DrGrov> k1l: Unity.
[22:32] <Ubuntivity> bekks: Pardon me?
[22:32] <wafflejock> bekks: why no?
[22:32] <k1l> DrGrov: its working for me. so its a theme or a nother desktop
[22:32] <bekks> Ubuntivity: you need to backup the entire disk to another disk which is bigger.
[22:32] <Ubuntivity> bekks: you mean I should backup /dev/sda as a whole and not /dev/sda1 or sda2, right?
[22:32] <bekks> Ubuntivity: correct.
[22:33] <Ubuntivity> bekks: So, is that possible with dd?
[22:33] <wafflejock> yeah that's fine... what were you saying N about
[22:33] <bekks> Ubuntivity: sure.
[22:33] <k1l> DrGrov: if the theme is the problem, ask the vlc themer. i dont think we can support vlc themes in here due lack of knowledge about that
[22:33] <wafflejock> Ubuntivity: The value provided for block size options is interpreted as a decimal (base 10) integer, and can also include suffixes to indicate multiplication. The suffix w means multiplication by 2, b means 512, k means 1024, M means 1024 × 1024, G means 1024 × 1024 × 1024, and so on. Additionally, some implementations understand the x character as a multiplication operator for both block size and count parameters
[22:33] <wafflejock> Ubuntivity: that from wikipedia... I've usually seen 4M used
[22:34] <Ubuntivity> wafflejock: bekks: is there a particular rule to choose a certain blocksize?
[22:34] <wafflejock> Ubuntivity: not entirely sure but I've heard higher usually results in a faster transfer since it's moving more data at once but can run into RAM issues at some point
[22:34] <Freysh> hi, i'm trying to install windows on my ubuntu computer and i can't, is there some tutorials?
[22:34] <bekks> Ubuntivity: it should be the minimu of the disk cache of both disks involved.
[22:34] <wafflejock> I think clonezilla uses 4M but don't entirely recall... I know that's used a lot for the raspberry pi images
[22:34] <fztor> wafflejock: it should be approx the size of the hd buffer, so it writes and reads at almost the same rate
[22:34] <wafflejock> fztor:
[22:34] <wafflejock> thx
[22:35] <DrGrov> k1l: No worries, it seems like the top bar is somehow affecting it all. No worries, default it is until I find some solution. Thanks for the help :)
[22:35] <Ubuntivity> bekks: How to determine those?
[22:35] <wafflejock> Ubuntivity: see fztor comment
[22:35] <bekks> Ubuntivity: by looking up the specs of both disks.
[22:35] <wafflejock> Ubuntivity:   it should be approx the size of the hd buffer, so it writes and reads at almost the same rate
[22:35] <bekks> wafflejock: I already told him...
[22:35] <bekks> wafflejock: we are even one step ahead.
[22:36] <fztor> bekks, Ubuntivity: ... or set it to 16M, you might save 10 minutes getting it "right"
[22:36] <Ubuntivity> fztor: I don't mind waiting, but I want to do it safely
[22:36] <bekks> Ubuntivity: then just use bs=16M
[22:36] <Ubuntivity> I can't find the buffer size in "Disk Utility" of ubuntu, is there a commandline tool for that?
[22:37] <fztor> Ubuntivity: hdparm -I /dev/sda
[22:37] <Ubuntivity> bekks: 16M is fine? Even for an old computer?
[22:37] <bekks> Ubuntivity: Find out the make and model of your harddisks, and look up the specs on the datasheets of the manufacturers.
[22:37] <bekks> Ubuntivity: Yes.
[22:37]  * Ubuntivity is recording notes
[22:38] <Foxhoundz> How do I add a user to a group? (specifically www-data) and how do I edit permissions for www-data
[22:38] <Ubuntivity> bekks: one more issue: will dd stop when it completes copying /dev/sda ?
[22:39] <Ubuntivity> bekks: or it will keep copying 'garbage'??
[22:39] <bekks> Ubuntivity: It will copy the entire source to the target. Nothing less, nothing more.
[22:40] <wafflejock> Foxhoundz: useradd is the command
[22:40] <wafflejock> editing permissions is done on a per file/directory basis
[22:40] <Ubuntivity> bekks: what if it kept going after the actual size?
[22:40] <wafflejock> Foxhoundz: sorry usermod I believe for existing user... one sec
[22:40] <Ubuntivity> bekks: I mean the Disk Utility is reading some irrational free space at the end of the disk
[22:40] <bekks> Ubuntivity: It will not.
[22:40] <wafflejock> Foxhoundz: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-linux-add-user-to-group/
[22:41] <DrGrov> Hello
[22:41] <bekks> Ubuntivity: dd copies the entire source to the target. And I strongly doubt that you can magically increase a harddisk size.
[22:41] <DrGrov> Testing
[22:41] <Ubuntivity> bekks: Thanks, I hope it doesn't :)
[22:41] <Ubuntivity> bekks: I'm just worried of imaginary space, that is.
[22:41] <DrGrov> Testing
[22:41] <Ubuntivity> bekks: Forgive my obsessive behaviour, but better safe than sorry
[22:42] <DrGrov> Testing
[22:42] <joossee> k1l what does nomodest actuallydo?? it forces a generic driver or...?
[22:42] <DrGrov> Testing
[22:42] <wafflejock> DrGrov: we see you
[22:42] <hadifarn_> what's wrong with this pac proxy? http://hadi.dyn.dhs.org:8888/test.pac
[22:42] <Ubuntivity> bekks: so the command should be "dd if=/dev/sda of=/mnt/<whatever-my-file-is> bs=16M" ?
[22:42] <DrGrov> Sorry, testing out irssi themes but I forgot I am in the channel :D
[22:43] <wafflejock> Ubuntivity: looks good from here
[22:43] <bekks> Ubuntivity: Yes.
[22:44] <Ubuntivity> bekks, wafflejock: the "bs=16M" is correct? or should be expressed differently?
[22:44] <wafflejock> thats fine
[22:44] <bekks> Ubuntivity: "is... correct?" "Yes."
[22:45] <Ubuntivity> bekks: Sorry for that grammatical error, I'm not native English :)
[22:45] <kobina> hi everyone
[22:45] <bekks> Ubuntivity: I just already answered that the command is correct. :)
[22:46] <Ubuntivity> bekks: I know :) I was just apologizing about my incorrect question form.
[22:46] <wafflejock> hello kobina
[22:48] <Ubuntivity> well, thanks guys wilee-nilee, fztor, k1l, bekks, and wafflejock for the help today ^_^
[22:48] <DrGrov> Now testing is over. wafflejock, sorry about that.
[22:48]  * Ubuntivity sends a special greeting to wafflejock and bekks
[22:49] <[Wit]katzy> one thing that bothers me the most is lack of hibernate option
[22:49] <[Wit]katzy> I've somehow enabled it in 13.04, but now after upgrade it doesn't work again
[22:49] <wilee-nilee> [Wit]katzy, It can be setup generally.
[22:50] <[Wit]katzy> I've managed to update it too, but it disappeared recently
[22:50] <[Wit]katzy> and I have to look it up again
[22:50] <wafflejock> DrGrov: no worries just letting you know
[22:50] <wilee-nilee> oh my how will you live
[22:50] <Ubuntivity> bekks: is it OK to go with BS=16M even if my "cache/buffer size  = 8192 KBytes"?
[22:50]  * Ubuntivity feels too obsessive today
[22:50] <wafflejock> Ubuntivity: np hope you get it sorted
[22:51] <[Wit]katzy> there are few advices on internet, from which only one seems to work for me
[22:51] <[Wit]katzy> however I'm asking why its not there at the first place?
[22:51] <wilee-nilee> [Wit]katzy, check askubuntu
[22:51] <joossee> can anyone recommend a good USB wireless nic that works with the 12.04 installer?
[22:52] <bekks> Ubuntivity: then use 8M...
[22:52] <wilee-nilee> joossee, There are some certified, never found one that didn't, and this is not polling.
[22:52] <joossee> ive searched high andlowforthis and there isno concensus? HWCompatibilityList says some work but others reportproblems. is there a confirmedone that works??
[22:52] <Ubuntivity> bekks: So I should use the lower value of the two mediums, right?
[22:52] <bekks> Ubuntivity: thats what I said, yes.
[22:52] <joossee> wilee-nilee, you mean the ones on the HWcompatibilitylist ?
[22:52] <Ubuntivity> thanks bekks
[22:53] <wilee-nilee> joossee, No ones from the local store, amazon is full of ones marked to work with linux.
[22:53]  * Ubuntivity feels its gonna be interesting hacky adventure to get Ubuntu 12.04 on that Inspiron Mini!
[22:54] <joossee> wilee-nilee, i dont need "works with"... i need one that works in the CD installer
[22:54] <joossee> 12.04
[22:56] <wilee-nilee> joossee, Not sure exactly what you mean, but again this is not polling, but support.
[22:57] <joossee> wilee-nilee, oic. well... having a working wireless connection during install seems like a support issue? ive tried 4 of them and none work...?
[22:57] <sobocanecben> Can anyone recomend weather applet for pinguy 13.04 for Australia?
[22:58] <wafflejock> joossee: are any in the list? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported
[22:58] <wilee-nilee> joossee, Yes it is, but not polling for one, how about we see if the one you have works.
[22:58] <wilee-nilee> sobocanecben, pinguy is not suppoted here, they have a channel.
[22:58] <wafflejock> joossee: I can tell you what the builtin chipset is for my wireless on a computer that came with 12.04... don't have experience installing 12.04 with any of my random USB adapters though
[22:58] <joossee> ive checked that page, none i tried are on it. but when you google the actual oneslisted as compatible, thereare many conflicting reports about their actualcompatibility and function..?
[22:59] <sobocanecben> thanks sorry...
[23:00] <wilee-nilee> sobocanecben, #PinguyOS
[23:00] <wafflejock> joossee: Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6235 (rev 24)
[23:00] <joossee> wafflejock, isnt anything with ath9k supposed to work?
[23:01] <wilee-nilee> joossee, Can you identify the wifi you have with running lspci in the terminal? So you have no access to an ethernet ever?
[23:01] <skeuomorf> guys, what's the current state of hybrid graphics for ATI radeon chipsets? do we have proper power management yet or what?
[23:01] <bekks> !ath9k | joossee
[23:01] <bekks> hmm.
[23:01] <wilee-nilee> ah ath9k
[23:01] <joossee> wilee-nilee, i cant run a cable
[23:01] <DrGrov> wafflejock: I finally start to feel like I got a perfect setup now. Feel like home after being without a Linux machine in almost 7 months.
[23:01] <kobina> pls can someone help me with this in Backtrack...Could not find pg-0.16.0 in any of the sources
[23:01] <kobina> Run `bundle install` to install missing gems.
[23:02] <bekks> joossee: Does your computer have a wired ethernet interface?
[23:02] <wilee-nilee> !Backtrack | kobina
[23:02] <joossee> bekks 2 in fact
[23:02] <semajnad_> Hello, I've got a folder structure of /home/thenetwork/usr001/Minecraft - Minecraft is where usr001 is CHROOTED to when he logs into SFTP. Usr001 is a member of the group thenetwork. Now the permissions for this folder at the moment are rwxr-xr-x however when I change them to rwxrwxrwx the user can not longer log-into sftp, do you know why this might be?
[23:02] <bekks> joossee: Then use one of them for the installation.
[23:02] <joossee> lol it is hella far away
[23:02] <wafflejock> DrGrov: cool glad to hear you're getting into a nice groove
[23:02] <joossee> maybe my cheapest fix though
[23:02] <wilee-nilee> joossee, I have a 32 ft ethernet here going to my tv
[23:02] <wafflejock> joossee: yeah tried looking around can't find my chipset in a USB
[23:02] <joossee> hrmmmmmmm\
[23:02] <DrGrov> wafflejock: Thanks. I should probably post a picture sooner or later of my absolutely milfish sexy background.
[23:03] <bekks> joossee: Thats the cheapest and fastest fix.
[23:03] <joossee> ok i think i will just try that
[23:03] <joossee> fukit!
[23:03] <DrGrov> wafflejock: And just to clarify, milfish not being MILF
[23:03] <DrGrov> wafflejock: MILF = May I Look Further?
[23:03] <joossee> although in theory i would like to have one that works for other installs
[23:04] <wilee-nilee> DrGrov, This is a worldwide all ages channel that crosses cultural and ethnic boundaries.
[23:04] <fikir> What is the main purpose of ubuntu?
[23:04] <bekks> fikir: Being an operating system.
[23:05] <wafflejock> fikir: yeah to pass resources between programs and give you a nice interface
[23:05] <DrGrov> wilee-nilee: Yes, I know. But I wanted to clarify my version of what that meant.
[23:05] <wafflejock> fikir: that's basically what operating systems do... manage all those crazy chips
[23:05] <DrGrov> wilee-nilee: And I think I did not step over anyones toes.
[23:05] <DrGrov> wilee-nilee: But if I did I apologize.
[23:06] <semajnad_> Hello, I've got a folder structure of /home/thenetwork/usr001/Minecraft - Minecraft is where usr001 is CHROOTED to when he logs into SFTP. Usr001 is a member of the group thenetwork. Now the permissions for this folder at the moment are rwxr-xr-x however when I change them to rwxrwxrwx the user can not longer log-into sftp, do you know why this might be?
[23:07] <wafflejock> semajnad_: believe you may not be allowed to have a writeable folder that you chroot into with vsftpd
[23:07] <DrGrov> wilee-nilee: And to still clarify, I meant with sexish that it is beautiful. That I firmly believe is not in this case sexually offensive for anyone since I clarified my state of.
[23:07] <wilee-nilee> semajnad_, #minecraft might be more the place that is a 3rd party here.
[23:07] <wafflejock> semajnad_: did you restart the service?
[23:07] <DrGrov> But nevermind, I shall remove myself.
[23:07] <semajnad_> wilee-nilee: It's just a folder name, not the actual game.
[23:08] <semajnad_> wafflejock: Is that with service ssh restart?
[23:08] <wafflejock> semajnad_: ah sorry didn't get the first part of that thought you were doing the vsftpd stuff diff person
[23:08] <semajnad_> wafflejock:  Oh no
[23:08] <semajnad_> wafflejock: I don't get it,  the chroot works fine, but the user can't write to the folder. So when I give them permission, it stops them logging in?
[23:09] <bekks> semajnad_: you are mixing up ftp and sftp again.
[23:09] <semajnad_> bekks: I said sftp didn't i?
[23:10] <semajnad_> bekks: Ye I did, and I mean sftp
[23:12] <semajnad_> bekks: So do you know why when I add extra permissions it stops them logging in?
[23:12] <bekks> semajnad_: As fasr as I know the base folder of a chroot is not supposed to be writable by the user chrooting in.
[23:13] <semajnad_> bekks: Are really? So if I make a folder they enter inside that, that one should be writable
[23:14] <wafflejock> semajnad_: if they have permission for writing to the sub folder then yes
[23:14] <bekks> semajnad_: that one may be writable then, yes.
[23:14] <semajnad_> wafflejock: So basically you shouldn't give them write permissions in their chroot directory and this may stop them logging in.
[23:14] <wafflejock> semajnad_: I believe so... believe it has somethig to do with users being able to "break out" of the jail if they have write access to the directory for some reason
[23:15] <semajnad_> wafflejock: No I've just given the permissions 770 to a directory inside it and now I can't enter that directory.
[23:16] <semajnad_> wafflejock: But giving the directory 757 lets them write to it :/
[23:16] <semajnad_> surely if the directory 'new' inside 'Minecraft' is set to the group thenetwork and the user is thenetwork group, then I should be able to use 775 and let them group write to it :/
[23:18] <wafflejock> semajnad_: was the user in the group prior to logging in?
[23:18] <semajnad_> wafflejock: Yes
[23:18] <Ben64> chroot changes stuff
[23:18] <semajnad_> wafflejock: oh damn hold on
[23:19] <semajnad_> Ye the folder wasn't owned properly, as I made it under root it had root:root permissions
[23:19] <semajnad_> So it's fixed now but chown it to root:thenetwork
[23:19] <semajnad_> Thanks for the help.
[23:19] <wafflejock> semajnad_: np
[23:19] <gfrostboss> quit
[23:32] <lokigr> i need to buy a usb hub (10 ports), can someone to recommend a compatible one? basically i found one manufactured by TRUST...:) but i do not know if it works with linux to prcced :)
[23:32] <bekks> lokigr: Linux works with USB.
[23:32] <Kove> every usb hub will work with linux
[23:33] <lokigr> bekks i have already purchase some ... greenasia hubs (3) that do not
[23:33] <Kove> lokigr, does it work with a windows machine? have you tried ?
[23:34] <lokigr> yes it work nice with windows!!!
[23:35] <lokigr> i made a search in google and ..guess there are meny people having problem with greenassia usb hub
[23:36] <gh0st> aloha
[23:36] <Kove> really strange lokigr. Do that peripherical have some addictional function ?
[23:37] <lokigr> NO ..
[23:37] <CodeOmegaPrime> maybe someone can enlighten me on how to fix gnome3 blanking the monitor no matter what I do, in fact every desktop environment does it and after a few times it locks up.
[23:37] <CodeOmegaPrime> Ubuntu 13.10
[23:37] <CodeOmegaPrime> .04* sorry
[23:37] <gh0st> so, got a problem.  Unity has all these nice tray apps, but i don't like unity.  So i was hoping i could get all those tray apps to work in fluxbox.  (Like for example nm-applet, gnome-sound-applet etc)
[23:38] <gh0st> need the name of the bluetooth applet (the binary in /usr/bin)
[23:38] <gh0st> and the one for the battery (in 13.10)
[23:38] <gh0st> plz&thx
[23:39] <meanmethodz> hello
[23:39] <gh0st> hello
[23:39] <gh0st> anyone?
[23:39] <mukti> gh0st: are they unity specific apps, or just programs linked in the unity tray?
[23:40] <gh0st> i don't know.  There used to be gnome-power-manager (was the battery indicator) but it seems they've fazed that out
[23:41] <skeuomorf> Hey guys, I am trying to get vim and tmux to play together nicely, but I am failing at that, vim doesn't display the background correctly, and I have searched the interwebz and tried a lot of things but to no avail, here's my .bashrc file http://pastebin.com/uYrbRdPL my .vimrc file http://pastebin.com/vUgiCXKk and my tmux.conf  file http://pastebin.com/EzZEW4Dw
[23:42] <gh0st> i just don't like unity.  I mean, i've had friends who loved it, but i just can't stand it
[23:43] <Guest37823> how can I get more workspaces in gnome?
[23:43] <viper474> gh0st: sudo apt-get install xfce4 ?
[23:44] <CodeOmegaPrime> Guest37823 install gnome extensions
[23:45] <mukti> gh0st: If you don't know the names of the apps, it's going to be hard to find out what to install. If you're just looking for a power manager, I've used xfce4-power-manager in the past
[23:46] <gh0st> i just don't want to have 2 power managers installed
[23:46] <gh0st> if unity already has one, why can't i just use that one in another wm?
[23:47] <sedeki> how do I get more workspaces?
[23:49] <mukti> gh0st: you can; I misunderstood you and thought you were looking to install them.
[23:49] <wilee-nilee> sedeki, This the gnome shell and what release?
[23:50] <wilee-nilee> or unity?
[23:50] <sedeki> 3.9.90
[23:50] <sedeki> hm. how do I check that?
[23:50] <gh0st> i was just looking to get the tray apps and associated services running in fluxbox instead of unity
[23:50] <gh0st> like getting bluetooth to work for instance
[23:50] <gh0st> and a battery indicator
[23:51] <wilee-nilee> sedeki, check what 3 questions there?
[23:51] <sedeki> wilee-nilee, gnome-shell or unity?
[23:52] <gh0st> anyway, i'm going to have to disconnect here, because i have to connect two computers together via ad-hoc wifi, but while i'm doing that i can't connect to that wifi while at the same time connecting to my internet connection's wifi
[23:53] <wilee-nilee> sedeki, lsb_release -a will tell you the release, the shell hyou would of had to install, or download the shell only install. Do you have a panel on the left?
[23:54] <syaelendra> hi all
[23:57] <netm_> Hi - trying to move my controllers into folders - "syntax error, unexpected 'Public' (T_PUBLIC), expecting identifier (T_STRING)" for a controller called PublicController - is public protected/used ?
[23:57] <wilee-nilee> sedeki, My guess would be unity you can make more workspaces from the right click area on the desktop.
[23:58] <sedeki> wilee-nilee, i have a panel on the left
[23:58] <sedeki> wilee-nilee, i cannot make more workspaces right clicking on the desktop
[23:59] <wilee-nilee> sedeki, sounds like unity check the right click on the desktop options, then click on the secondary tabs, yes you can needs to be unlocked.
[23:59] <sedeki> wilee-nilee,  ah, thanks!