[01:45] <michix10> hola a todos uno nuevo en xubuntu....
[06:57] <dillu> hello
[06:57] <dillu> I have made a fresh installation of Xubuntu and my internet is not working
[06:57] <dillu> can anyone please help
[07:29] <`Fibz`> how do you connect to the internet?
[09:46] <GD2> Hello guys ! I am under xubuntu 13.10. By mistake I have clicked the "Never show again" button in a notification popup window. I can't find the way to reenable it. gconf-editor /apps/nm-applet doesn't show any "notification" enable/disable entry. Any clue ?
[10:28] <Sergio> Any body here?
[10:28] <xubuntu904> good morning, i just istalled xubuntu 13.10, and now is rebooting but it isn't shutting down. what can i do?
[10:30] <Guest14596> [PROBLEM] Yesterday i installed xubuntu 13.10 above Windows 7. By default starts up Win. How to launch xubuntu?
[10:31] <Guest14596> Please help
[10:34] <xubuntu904> usually a window comes up asking which operating sistem you whant to use.
[10:34] <xubuntu904> some one can help me with my shutting down problem???
[10:34] <well_laid_lawn> the grub bootloader should have been installed somewhere
[10:35] <well_laid_lawn> !grub
[10:37] <well_laid_lawn> xubuntu904:  see if this helps http://askubuntu.com/questions/132143/stuck-on-reboot-and-shutdown/135568#135568
[11:29] <xubuntu947> hello
[11:29] <onr> hello
[11:29] <xubuntu947> ive just downloaded xubuntu, but there is no .iso file in it
[11:30] <xubuntu947> how can i install it on my other comuter that has no system at all
[11:30] <onr> where did you download xubuntu?
[11:30] <xubuntu947> from official website, this one
[11:31] <xubuntu947> its 'xubuntu-13.10-desktop-i386'
[11:32] <onr> did you download the .torrent file?
[11:32] <xubuntu947> yep
[11:33] <onr> okay that file is used to download Xubuntu from other Xubuntu users
[11:33] <onr> you need a torrent client to run
[11:33] <onr> if you're on xubuntu already, there should be Transmission installed
[11:34] <Sysi> !bittorrent
[11:34] <xubuntu947> oh ok, thanks for help
[11:34] <onr> np
[12:10] <fractalsea> Hi, I recently installed the latest xubuntu version on a Lenovo thinkpad carbon x1. One thing that is not working is that when I click the speaker or bluetooth icons in the top right, the dropdown has nothing in it and is tiny
[12:11] <fractalsea> The volume does work though, and I can adjust it through keyboard buttons. The bluetooth also seems to work if I control it through the main application.
[12:11] <fractalsea> Does anyone know how to fix this? Thanks.
[12:13] <elfy> bug 1208204
[12:13] <elfy> fractalsea: ^^
[12:22] <fractalsea> thank you
[12:50] <robford> Hi all, can anyone help?! Just installed XUBUNTU 13.10 and it's set my screen resolution to 1024x768 yet this monitor can handle higher. Is there a way to overide this to get the correct res?
[12:51] <robford> Using Gala window manager btw
[12:53] <brainwash> robford: this wiki article might be helpful https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[12:53] <robford> Thank you brainwash, I'll have a look now :)
[13:44] <Araneidae> Pressing the power button triggers shutdown, even though Power Manager says it's set to "Suspend".  Used to work before I upgraded to 13.10
[13:45] <cfhowlett> Araneidae, I do believe that function was removed in 13.10 ...
[13:45] <Araneidae> Cool.
[13:45] <Araneidae> Any idea why?
[13:45] <cfhowlett> sorry, I don't know
[13:45] <Araneidae> *Removed*
[13:45] <Araneidae> What, just to make the system less friendly?!  Grr!
[13:48] <brainwash> Araneidae: bug 1222021
[13:48] <elfy> ty brainwash - was just digging that out
[13:48] <Araneidae> Cheers, that looks like it
[13:49] <Araneidae> Thanks brainwash
[13:49] <brainwash> always handy to have the important bug reports bookmarked :)
[13:50] <Araneidae> If that's just a bug with xfce4-power-manager, can I just tweak the appropriate underlying config anyway?
[13:51] <Araneidae> I know nil about /etc/systemd/logind.conf, but it seems suspicious that *every* entry is commented out!
[13:52] <elfy> have to say that enabling it didn't actually work for me
[13:52] <elfy> but other's report success
[13:52] <Araneidae> Well, I can but try, am looking here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Power_Management
[13:52]  * Araneidae is sorely tempted to go back to Arch
[13:53] <brainwash> if an entry is commented out, the default value will be used
[13:54] <Araneidae> Yes, and the default value is poweroff
[13:54] <brainwash> nothing wrong about that
[13:54] <Araneidae> Ah, crap.  What's the ubuntu equivalent to systemctl?
[13:54] <bekks> Araneidae: Whats is systemctl?
[13:55] <Araneidae> What used to be /etc/init.d/whatever back in the good old days of sysvinit
[13:55] <Araneidae> In other words, the startup script controller
[13:55] <bekks> upstart
[13:55] <brainwash> initctl
[13:55] <Araneidae> ta
[13:56] <Araneidae> Damn, I liked sysvinit, I could understand it.  Have no clue about systemd or upstart or whether they're the same thing or what
[13:57] <brainwash> so why do you use ubuntu in the first place?
[13:57] <Araneidae> Too much churn on Arch
[13:57] <Araneidae> When they switched away from sysvinit, about a year ago, everything on my system broke, so I gave up and came back to Ubuntu
[13:59] <Araneidae> Right.  I *may* have successfully reconfigured my power button, let's see...
[13:59] <Araneidae> Yes!  It works
[14:00] <Araneidae> elfy, you said editing /etc/systemd/logind.conf didn't work for you?  Just did for me, so maybe, did you edit it right?
[14:02] <elfy> yep
[14:02] <elfy> not that bothered here - tbh - only causes me an issue if I forget I leave the machine on overnight
[14:03] <Araneidae> What were you trying to configure?  I've got my power key doing what I want, so that bit seems to work; guess you were doing something else?
[14:04] <elfy> nope - same thing - I was though trying to confirm the bug prior to release
[14:04] <elfy> I'm more interested in trusty now :)
[14:04] <Araneidae> However, reading the Arch wiki entry, it looks like I may just be lucky for now... seems to depend on too many factors.
[14:41] <scatharis> Sup.
[14:43] <cfhowlett> scatharis, soup
[14:46] <scatharis> building out replacement system, going ok thus far
[14:47] <scatharis> first couple attempts blew up
[14:48] <scatharis> seems when doing a release upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10, the new grub picked up on some crap left over in the last sector of my disks, guess they were on a windows box and set to dynamic (veritas legacy crap).  grub was unimpressed with the partition table and wouldn't write
[14:49] <cfhowlett> scatharis, and that's why I always recommend (1) a dedicated /home partition and (2) clean install every time of (3) LTS only.
[14:49] <cfhowlett> but YMMV!
[14:49] <scatharis> ./agree
[14:49] <scatharis> I do a fair amount of work with storage so I tend to mess around even on my home systems
[14:50] <scatharis> this is somewhat of an experimental box.  My main is a 12.04 and is staying that way until the next LTS
[14:51] <scatharis> I was fighting the nouveau drivers on another board with an add-on nv32 gpu; 2d was so bad it was intolerable....for the moment using an old p945-based board with a GMA950 (blech)
[14:51] <scatharis> at least I can scroll a window now....
[14:52] <scatharis> the nouveau guys said they would help, but not if I was running an 'ancient' release (12.04)....hence my toying around
[14:53] <scatharis> Oh hey, while I'm at it...I added the canonical partners repo in as usual, but the flashplugin-installer thing isn't there anymore, it's in multiverse, which I won't enable :(
[14:54] <scatharis> guess I'll manage that one manually straight from adobe.
[14:54] <cfhowlett> scatharis, try sudo apt-get xubuntu-restricted-extras     that might pull it in
[14:55] <Sysi> !info flashplugin-installer
[14:55] <Sysi> yup, multiverse
[15:00] <scatharis> thank you.  enabling multiverse isn't something I'm going to do.  I'll manage it myself from the adobe.com tarball.
[15:01] <scatharis> I actually went from 12.04 LTS all the way up to 13.10, so thankfully multiverse isn't enabled.  not sure how to make sure that, during install, nothing from multiverse makes it on my system if I do a non-lts-alternate-install
[15:05] <scatharis> Oh hey, one other question while I'm at it.  During startup, I've got grub set to use a plain-text console as I prefer.  However after the init scripts start (I suspect upstart stuff is going on at this point) there is zero console output...then a few seconds before my xdm starts, I get a whole spew of modem-manager messages at a high resolution graphics mode.  how do I get to see init script output on boot?  got a coupl
[15:05] <scatharis> e to write, would like to monitor while actually booting live.
[15:48] <tolgasnbl> d
[17:04] <havenonearth> hi, still dealing with internet cutting out from time to time.  have ruled out mozilla as issue. win7 dual boot on laptop has no internet problems, neither do any of the other laptops in the house. how do i ping router and gateway? my connection shows a number of different ip addresses, which ones do I use?
[17:05] <kgb> havenonearth: wireless?
[17:05] <havenonearth> yes.
[17:05] <kgb> oh, good luck with that xD
[17:06] <kgb> sry, couldn't help myself
[17:06] <havenonearth> LOL, no prob.
[17:06] <kgb> :s
[17:06] <havenonearth> I'm not sure if it really even is a router or gateway issue if none of the other computers in the house have issues.
[17:06] <havenonearth> win7 runs as a dual boot from my laptop and that has no issues either.
[17:07] <havenonearth> i can click on the network icon and reconnect it, it's just a bit disruptive and an annoyance. I've worked out all other issues with my ubuntustudio install--this is the remaining one.
[17:08] <kgb> maybe just disabling ipv6 - if your ISP doesn't have it - *might* help the issue, maybe
[17:09] <kgb> but don't hold me to it
[17:10] <vabi> hello, how can i delete the session manager, i don't want to use it at all, it's only messin :(
[17:10] <vabi> or disable it easily?
[17:11] <kgb> use alt+f4 to logout first when restarting? ;-$
[17:11] <vabi> and doin it every time?
[17:11] <Sysi> remove saved sessions and uncheck the tap in logout window
[17:11] <kgb> it's how i get around it hehe
[17:12] <vabi> Sysi, i did it
[17:12] <Sysi> it should remember the selection
[17:12] <vabi> or, how can i remove saved sessions?
[17:12] <vabi> in contol panel yes?
[17:13] <havenonearth> thanks kgb, i'll try it.
[17:14] <kgb> fingers crossed
[17:18] <vabi> The problem is occuring only when i use the shutdown button directly, when i use the shutdown or logut from end session button, it's working fine
[17:18] <vabi> it looks like the direct shutdown button is ignoring session settings.
[17:19] <kgb> ya it's like erratic or something, couldn't be asked to figure it out :$
[17:20] <kgb> *personally :)
[17:21] <vabi> ok, i deleted that bugged turn off option in session menu
[17:21] <havenonearth> how do I disable ipv6 in Network Manager editing?  I see the settings where I can check off "requiring an ipv4 address" or "requiring an ipv6 address".  Also would an ISP as big as Charter (4th largest cable internet in nation) really not use ipv6 addresses at this point?
[17:22] <kgb> havenonearth: i only meant it as a quick-workaround btw., prolly not the best thing to do (since it can be used for local networking)
[17:22] <kgb> *since it's used
[17:23] <havenonearth> let me trying apt-get update on terminal since I haven't done that in a while.
[17:23] <kgb> (and it has to be disabled from loading at startup, not sure if any checkboxes can help with it)
[17:26] <ubukou> hey folks, i ve been trying to set a 3360*1050 wallpaper and i could not find a way to do that correctly. i edited the xfce-desktop in settings manager and i can now set wallpaper across two screens but i can only set it as zoomed so the resolution is lost on me...
[17:26] <ubukou> any fixes?
[17:26] <ubukou> i got nitrogen to do the dual screen but i cant apply anything with it ..
[17:27] <ubukou> i did that. http://dotcadot.ca/articles/using-multi-monitor-dual-head-wallpapers-xfce
[17:28] <kgb> no need to edit anything manually
[17:28] <gdos> how do i remove multi-user / switch user capability in xfce / xubuntu ?
[17:28] <kgb> just put the files in the *correct* folder(s), for the wallpaper to come up in the settings (have to use sudo acct i think, not 100% sure without looking)
[17:31] <ubukou> kgb, i have this fxdesktop to handle the wallpapers. the only to set 1 wallpaper is to set 2 wallpapers (one for each screen). maybe there is something that i do not understand.
[17:32] <ubukou> kgb, sudo accd is not a valid command
[17:32] <kgb> ubukou: i spoke a little 2 quickly; it's changed a bit in Saucy - but you can browse for the folder so that was wrong..
[17:34] <ubukou> kgb, hmm so there is a folder that if i put wallpapers with dual head resolution (3360*1050) it will automaticaly set them across 2 scressn ?
[17:35] <kgb> sec
[17:35] <ubukou> kgb, sorry if i dont get it. thanks for the help.
[17:35] <ubukou> kgb, maybe this post ( http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=5300 ) will help you understand what im looking to get.
[17:35] <kgb> gah, my second monitor isn't plugged in atm :/
[17:36] <ubukou> kgb, shame on you "geek" :)
[17:36] <ubukou> kgb, no offence meant :)
[17:38] <kgb> yeah, yea, np :) i was talking nonsense anyway; what I MEANT to say is.. that whether it's the checkbox 'Apply to all workspaces' in the Desktop settings, or something similar - you should be able to get a spanned wallpaper in default Xubuntu with no problems.. without any add-ons or anything
[17:38] <ubukou> kgb,  if you look at the forum thread i sent you, you will see the string i added to the xfce4-desktop channel.
[17:38] <kgb> sure, sure - just seemed a little over complicated; that's why i tried to \help\ :S
[17:38]  * kgb runs out 2 plug in teh screen
[17:38] <ubukou> kgb, problem with that is that i cant choose the "style" option under the desktop setting.
[17:39] <ubukou> kgb, yea i got you now. it seems to me that there is no such option tho
[17:42] <ubukou> kgb,  its weird i can set the /png's wallpapers style, i cant set the JPG's style.. maybe the fxdesktop is not able to do that for jpg's or the string that i added is missing something.
[17:43] <ubukou> kgb let me try and convert the image type and see if that works.
[17:52] <ubukou> converting the image to png does not work. neither does moving the image to /usr/share/xfce4/backdrop
[17:52] <ubukou> any ideas?
[19:23] <goddard> how can i attach the super key to my xfce menu?
[22:06] <wannabe> hi there
[22:12] <rmoore> hi everyone. i have a left side mounted vertical panel and a top mounted horizontal panel but the vertical panel is overlapping with the top vertical one. how do i set the horizontal panel to consistently overlay over the vertical one?
[22:13] <knome> rmoore, you could just make the vertical one non-100%-tall
[22:13] <rmoore> oh. that's an excellent idea, heh. thank you
[22:13] <Poisoned_Dragon> Though the panels enforce reserve spacing on apps, they don't on each other.
[22:14] <rmoore> i'm trying get a lightweight unity-like look out of xfce
[22:16] <Poisoned_Dragon> I hear ya.
[22:16] <Poisoned_Dragon> I just have a panel on top and an auto-hide panel on the bottom.
[22:18] <rmoore> Yeah I was just bored and wanted to see if I could pull it off. I'm already thinking I'm just going to go back to the standard look though, heh.
[22:19] <Poisoned_Dragon> :)
[22:19] <Poisoned_Dragon> I use Plank as my second panel. Seems to make things look good.
[22:19] <rmoore> Now I've tried to instal cairo-compmgr because I tried SalentOS and liked it alot but can't seem to get it to work. Do any of you have any experience with compositors aside from the standard XFCE compositing?
[22:19] <Poisoned_Dragon> Not I
[22:20] <knome> rmoore, whatever that might or might not mean, they are not "officially supported"
[22:20] <knome> rmoore, but we've heard many people running them; probably on the minority though
[22:20] <rmoore> Yeah I know that compositing kind of runs contrary to the goal of Xubuntu
[22:20] <Poisoned_Dragon> Why do you want to replace xfce's composter with cairo-compmgr?
[22:21] <Poisoned_Dragon> Would compiz work for you instead?
[22:21] <rmoore> It might! I've never actually tried compositors before
[22:21] <rmoore> I came to Xubuntu from CrunchBang
[22:21] <Poisoned_Dragon> Then you did have a composter. #! uses Compton.
[22:22] <knome> iirc, there was some issues with compiz and the latest ubuntu version, but i have no idea if that's true and what those issues might be
[22:22] <Poisoned_Dragon> But, this is getting off topic.
[22:22] <Poisoned_Dragon> I wish I could be more helpful.
[22:22] <rmoore> Crunch uses Compton? I didn't realize that
[22:22] <rmoore> How is Compiz?
[22:23] <Poisoned_Dragon> I dunno. I only tried it once and it didn't integrate well, though I not very savvy with it.
[22:24] <Poisoned_Dragon> So, I didn't judge it poorly. If you decide to use it, hunt down install documentation for it.
[22:24] <rmoore> i missed the first thing you said, Poisoned_Dragon
[22:24] <Poisoned_Dragon> It doesn't run out of the box. Needs some setup to replace xfce's composter
[22:24] <Poisoned_Dragon> I dunno. I only tried it once and it didn't integrate well, though I not very savvy with it.
[22:24] <Poisoned_Dragon> ^ that was it
[22:25] <rmoore> Ah, well. It's not a big deal. I'm honestly still adjusting to this whole "having an applications menu icon on the desktop" thing
[22:25] <rmoore> That alone blows my mind
[22:25] <Poisoned_Dragon> lol
[22:25] <knome> rmoore, on my laptop, i only use shortcut keys and the feature to show the applications menu on desktop-right-click when i need something i haven't bound to keys
[22:26] <Poisoned_Dragon> Sadly, I rejected Unity and Gnome for that reason, only to have outgrown the need for desktop icons, despite using xfce to gain it back.
[22:26] <knome> can't remember when i have *ever* used desktop icons, and that is ever in my compuyting history
[22:27] <Poisoned_Dragon> I use some kb shortcuts. Plank helps me fill in the speed gaps.
[22:27] <knome> except maybe with windows 3.1 :)
[22:27] <Poisoned_Dragon> I did, and still do, on Windows.
[22:27] <rmoore> I have a few taskbar pinned icons on my Win H8 machine
[22:27] <rmoore> But I mainely just use that for making music in FL Studio and playing games
[22:28] <Poisoned_Dragon> But, I found I didn't need the desktop for icons, with xfce
[22:28] <knome> anyway... yeah, this is getting offtopic; #xubuntu-offtopic
[22:28] <Poisoned_Dragon> yuppers. sorry
[22:30] <rmoore> Are there any performance tweaks or whatnot you all might suggest for someone that literally JUST installed Xubuntu?
[22:30] <rmoore> Hopefully that isn't off-topic
[22:31] <elfy> rmoore: about all I ever do is get the panle right for me and install a few things
[22:32] <knome> rmoore, it isn't really something you need to do for the *installation* itself, but think about what applications you are using
[22:32] <knome> rmoore, eg. don't install the kde text editor, use mousepad
[22:32] <rmoore> Is leafpad the KDE editor?
[22:32] <knome> nope
[22:33] <elfy> I actually install gedit knome - for the tabs
[22:33] <knome> what i mean is, no such things are installed in the default installation
[22:33] <rmoore> Oh
[22:33] <knome> just make sure you don't install such things :)
[22:33] <knome> or at least check if there is a preinstalled alternative
[22:33] <knome> elfy, mousepad has tabs!
[22:33] <elfy> next one?
[22:33] <David-A> rmoore: have you installed xubuntu-restricted-extras or what its called these days? for all codecs, flash, java and stuff.
[22:33] <knome> elfy, i switched to mousepad from gedit just a few days ago, since mousepad now also supports *color schemes*!
[22:34] <knome> elfy, what's in 13.10 at least.
[22:34] <rmoore> I insalled ubuntu-restricted-extras so I can watch Hulu
[22:34] <rmoore> Haven't installed Java yet but I should
[22:35] <David-A> rmoore: java and flash for web browsers are in restricted extra, or used to be. arn't they?
[22:35] <elfy> knome: oh yea - I'd not noticed that
[22:36] <knome> elfy, yep, that's cool
[22:36] <rmoore> I would upgrade to 3.10 but I have a non-pae system
[22:37] <rmoore> So I'm stuck with 12.04 forever it would seem. I really need to switch my newer system over to *nix from WinH8
[22:38] <knome> you can upgrade from 12.04 to later versions...
[22:38] <knome> i'm not sure how the kernel supports are though
[22:38] <knome> but you *can* do that
[22:38] <rmoore> From what I've seen on threads ya can't if you don't have PAE
[22:38] <knome> you just can't do a clean installation with later versions
[22:38] <Poisoned_Dragon> I thought Mousepad development was non-existent. I usually use leafpad in it's place, if gedit isn't installed
[22:38] <rmoore> Oh so I can upgrae?
[22:38] <rmoore> Just can't clean install
[22:38] <rmoore> That's interesting.
[22:39] <Poisoned_Dragon> you don't have a pae processor, rmoore?
[22:39] <knome> yep; i'd check the kernel support thing/situation first, though
[22:40] <rmoore> no unfortunately i don't
[22:40] <rmoore> celeron M 1.6
[22:40] <rmoore> on my other computer I have pae but I also have the joys of UEFI/Secure Boot. Which is mostly why its still running Windows
[22:40] <Poisoned_Dragon> My eeepc701 uses a celeron M 900 under clocked to 650, and it's pae.
[22:40] <rmoore> That is very interesting
[22:41] <rmoore> When I tried to install 3.10 I got the "This system does not have PAE enabled"
[22:42] <Poisoned_Dragon> There were Pentium M/Celeron M Processors that were pae compliant but, didn't have the PAE flag enabled.
[22:42] <Poisoned_Dragon> There is a procedure for those processors.
[22:43] <Poisoned_Dragon> The draw back is the instruction are for lubuntu.
[22:43] <Poisoned_Dragon> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE
[22:45] <rmoore> well im used to being "behind the times" anyhow so I'll stick with this for the time being. once 2017 rolls around if this guy i still running i'll look into that
[22:46] <rmoore>  i mostly bought this because I want to turn it into an audio production/recording workstation and start a blog about using really old laptops to make music, updating it as i learn and whatnot
[22:47] <rmoore> i know alot of people that use old old laptops to make music but their all fuddy duddies and don't want to share how they went about it
[22:47] <Poisoned_Dragon> Gotcha
[22:48] <rmoore> I actually only got into linux like a year or so ago. I hardly knew what it even was. My friend had a Slackware system but he refused to tell me anything about it
[22:49] <knome> rmoore, Poisoned_Dragon: could you please move the discussion to #xubuntu-offtopic? cheers! (i'd be interested to keep on reading it, so please do move it rather than stop it!)
[22:50] <rmoore> sure thing. i'm sorry for going so off topic
[22:50] <Poisoned_Dragon> k
[22:50] <knome> no problem! thanks for understanding
[23:23] <Mike-Linux-NL> anyone else who is missing desktop files,folders & content on Xubuntu desktop all of the sudden?
[23:24] <Mike-Linux-NL> last night i had a few updates
[23:24] <Mike-Linux-NL> now files and folders are being deleted from my desktop
[23:26] <bekks> Mike-Linux-NL: No update touches your personal files.
[23:26] <Mike-Linux-NL> well over here it did
[23:26] <bekks> Nowhere  it does.
[23:26] <Mike-Linux-NL> and in the #xfce channel  someone else logged in with the same thing
[23:27] <Mike-Linux-NL> i did the updates last night. turned off the laptop and just fired it on a few mins ago. all desktop content gone. the recently uswed files in placed, still show some content that WAS on my desktop
[23:27] <Mike-Linux-NL> no one else had acces to this laptop. had it with me all time
[23:28] <bekks> Then log in in a terminal, and run "ls -lha ~/Desktop/"
[23:28] <Mike-Linux-NL> last updates i performed:
[23:28] <Mike-Linux-NL> python-lazr.restfulclient (0.12.0-1ubuntu1.1)
[23:28] <Mike-Linux-NL> thunderbird (1:24.1.0+build1-0ubuntu0.12.04.1)
[23:28] <Mike-Linux-NL> thunderbird-locale-nl (1:24.1.0+build1-0ubuntu0.12.04.1)
[23:28] <Mike-Linux-NL> thunderbird-locale-en (1:24.1.0+build1-0ubuntu0.12.04.1)
[23:28] <Mike-Linux-NL> thunderbird-globalmenu (1:24.1.0+build1-0ubuntu0.12.04.1)
[23:28] <Mike-Linux-NL> thunderbird-locale-en-us (1:24.1.0+build1-0ubuntu0.12.04.1)
[23:28] <bekks> STOP IT
[23:28] <bekks> USe a pastebin.
[23:29] <Mike-Linux-NL> bekks: in my language (dutch) its called Bureaublad
[23:29] <Mike-Linux-NL> tried it. does not show anything
[23:30] <Mike-Linux-NL> also in thunar when opening desktop folder, nothing is in there
[23:30] <David-A> Mike-Linux-NL: did you search for filenames, if they are somewhere else?
[23:30] <Poisoned_Dragon> Mike-Linux-NL, those updates should have nothing to do with your desktop
[23:30] <Poisoned_Dragon> It's just Thunderbird, and a python module.
[23:30] <Mike-Linux-NL> in my places app on the panel, under recent, i was able to see some files that where on the desktop. when clicking on it, it says that i doesnt exist
[23:31] <Mike-Linux-NL> i=it
[23:31] <Poisoned_Dragon> Maybe you have a file system problem.
[23:31] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh even a HDD problem.
[23:31] <Mike-Linux-NL> well everything else works fine. no files harmed
[23:31] <Mike-Linux-NL> i just noticed my desktop was empty when i logged in
[23:32] <Mike-Linux-NL> and like i said.. the last thing this laptop did was applying those updates
[23:32] <David-A> Mike-Linux-NL: can you keep this issue to one channel please?
[23:32] <Mike-Linux-NL> David-A: ?
[23:33] <Mike-Linux-NL> i post this in the xubuntu channel since i use xubuntu.
[23:33] <David-A> Mike-Linux-NL: sorry, it wasn't simultaneous, you are okay.
[23:33] <Mike-Linux-NL> if you are on xfce channel, where i told the similar thing, icannot help it that you are logged into more channels
[23:33] <Mike-Linux-NL> :P
[23:34] <David-A> Mike-Linux-NL: I didn't see an answer to my other question. did you search for filenames, if they are in another folder now?
[23:35] <Mike-Linux-NL> just doing it now
[23:36] <David-A> (not manually I hope)
[23:37] <Mike-Linux-NL> opened catfish
[23:39] <Mike-Linux-NL> well i be damned....
[23:39] <Mike-Linux-NL> just found everything!
[23:39] <bekks> ANd where were your files? :)
[23:39] <David-A> Mike-Linux-NL: interesting! where? the thrash?
[23:39] <Mike-Linux-NL> but why the hell is it in /home/mike/bin/Desktop ?
[23:40] <David-A> Mike-Linux-NL: by any chance, are you diagnosed with Parkinsons desease?
[23:40] <Mike-Linux-NL> nope...
[23:40] <bekks> Because "~/Desktop/" is the default, and "~/Bureaublad/" is just something like a symlink, used to make it more readable in your native language.
[23:41] <Mike-Linux-NL> i know.. it is called Bureaublad
[23:41] <Mike-Linux-NL> i just typed desktop so you could understand
[23:41] <David-A> Mike-Linux-NL: then I don't know why ~/Desktop have been moved to ~/bin/Desktop
[23:41] <Mike-Linux-NL> still, the question remains... why is it in the bin folder?
[23:42] <Mike-Linux-NL> just copying stuff back to the desktop, but it takes a while.. when i copied it myself, i would have noticed
[23:43] <David-A> Mike-Linux-NL: it takes not a while. it just takes a few milliseconds.
[23:43] <Mike-Linux-NL> 5 minutes
[23:43] <bekks> 5 seconds.
[23:43] <Mike-Linux-NL> i had some large files on the desktop
[23:43] <Mike-Linux-NL> couple of movies i was working on
[23:43] <bekks> Moving files happens instantly.
[23:44] <bekks> I can move gigabytes within seconds, when being on the same filesystem.
[23:44] <David-A> Mike-Linux-NL: ~/ and ~/bin/ should be on the same filesystem, moving files is just a matter of moving the filenames. the content remains in the same blocks on the disk. it takes milliseconds.
[23:45] <Mike-Linux-NL> i copied instead of cut&paste
[23:45] <bekks> Thats not "moving".
[23:45] <Mike-Linux-NL> now i had to cut& paste since i ran out of space haha
[23:45] <bekks> Thats "copying".
[23:45] <Mike-Linux-NL> that the first time that it occured
[23:46] <Mike-Linux-NL> that the desktop folder i being moved to the bin folder,
[23:46] <Mike-Linux-NL> ah well..the important thing is, that it is back
[23:47] <David-A> Mike-Linux-NL: my theory is you have have had Parkinsons without realizing it, and now have recovered from it.
[23:48] <David-A> Mike-Linux-NL: (I know I have had it)
[23:48] <David-A> (and others too)
[23:48] <bekks> My theory is: you accidentially moved the files to ~/bin/Desktop/
[23:49] <Mike-Linux-NL> thats your theory. i know exactly what i did last night... thunar was not open, not even a terminal
[23:49] <Mike-Linux-NL> only the xubuntu update app to update a few files, then afterwards i did a clean shutdown and went to bed
[23:50] <Mike-Linux-NL> i really think those updates did it for some reason
[23:51] <bekks> Then it would have happened to all users - which I doubt strongly.
[23:51] <Mike-Linux-NL> the only thing i use the bin folder for is a webcamwrapper script to flip my cam
[23:51] <Mike-Linux-NL> well there's someone in the xfce channel who came with a very similar issue
[23:51] <Mike-Linux-NL> except he is using gentoo
[23:51] <David-A> Mike-Linux-NL: don't blame the update until we have ruled out Keith Alexander
[23:52] <Mike-Linux-NL> who's that?
[23:52] <bekks> The chief of the NSA.
[23:52] <Mike-Linux-NL> haha
[23:53] <Mike-Linux-NL> well, that agency cant be trusted for anything nowadays
[23:53] <knome> Mike-Linux-NL, David-A: can you take it to #xubuntu-offtopic? thanks.
[23:53] <David-A> sorry, ok