[00:03]  * apachelogger shurgs at bug 1194179
[02:15] <xnox> apachelogger: i'm confused why the user would want strigi without kde.... and also how would one use it =/
[07:18] <soee> good morning\
[07:51] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:34] <jalcine> Morning!
[08:34] <jalcine> I really should be sleeping, but the lure of IRC lol
[08:34] <lordievader> Hey jalcine, how are you? Tired?
[08:35] <jalcine> I'm actually not too tired
[08:35] <jalcine> lordievader: water and a bit of classical music always keeps me up
[08:35] <jalcine> I'm hoping to hel more people online so I can get more in tune with KDE users
[08:35] <jalcine> *help
[08:36] <lordievader> jalcine: Your machine runs on water and classical music, nice ;)
[08:36] <jalcine> Lol that'd be amazing but nah, just a plain i3 8GB here
[08:56] <apachelogger> xnox: strigi (i.e. strigi-utils, strigi-plugins and strigi-daemon) is not even part of the plasma experience, nepomuk replaced that entirely. libstreams and libstramanalyzer OTOH provide general purpose stdlib c++ API for parsing files, much like taglib except more generic.
[08:56] <apachelogger> so the actually strigi source package should be removed due to brokeness
[08:57] <apachelogger> of course I had not had any coffee yet so I may be wrong ;)
[08:58]  * jalcine slides mug of coffee over to apachelogger
[08:59] <apachelogger> \o/ thanks
[09:37] <shadeslayer> morning :)
[09:38] <shadeslayer> rbelem: happy birthday!
[09:39] <Riddell> morning all
[09:39] <Riddell> happy birthday yofel and rbelem!
[09:40] <valorie> rbelem: I miss you too!
[09:40] <valorie> and happy birthday to you and Alex
[09:40] <valorie> and again to yofel
[09:42] <Riddell> which alex has a birthday?
[09:42] <valorie> afiestas
[09:42] <valorie> I guess
[09:42] <shadeslayer> yep
[09:42] <valorie> apachelogger threw him a party already 
[09:43] <valorie> not sure if he got that fine whisky though
[09:43] <Riddell> Bon aniversari afiestas!
[09:44] <afiestas> Riddell: hehehehe gràcies ! 
[09:46] <valorie> very nice to have a triplet birthday!
[09:46]  * valorie passes afiestas the Balvenie Doublewood and a glass
[09:47] <smartboyhw> Happy birthday yofel:)
[09:51] <apachelogger> oh god
[09:52] <apachelogger> the madness continues
[09:52] <apachelogger> waaa
[09:52]  * valorie shares the Balvenie Doublewood with apachelogger
[09:53] <valorie> here, have a little splash of water with that
[09:53] <apachelogger> eww, water
[09:53] <apachelogger> do you want me to rust?
[09:54] <valorie> fine, neat
[09:54] <valorie> NO ICE
[09:58] <apachelogger> https://www.ice.gov/
[10:00] <valorie> they would be no fun either
[11:33] <soee> yofel, when do you plan to move 4.11.3 to updates ?
[11:33] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:33] <soee> gi BluesKaj 
[11:34] <BluesKaj> het soee`
[11:34] <BluesKaj> :)
[11:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: who was working on updating KDevelop?
[11:34] <soee> hat :)
[11:41] <yofel> soee: tomorrow
[11:42] <soee> yofel, nice thank you
[11:45] <Riddell> shadeslayer: nobody that I know of
[11:45] <shadeslayer> ack
[11:45] <shadeslayer> onto it
[11:47] <yofel> hm.......
[11:47] <yofel> does someone by chance have an unused n900 that s/he could give/lend me? ^^"
[11:48] <yofel> I kinda have a problem here... http://yofel.dyndns.org/ext/2013-11-04%2012.43.27.jpg
[11:51] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[11:56] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1247802] language KCM sets incorrect LANGUAGE @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1247802 (by Gabor Vas)
[12:01] <apachelogger> yofel: time for a new phone
[12:01] <apachelogger> IIRC jolla is supposed to come out with their meego bastard thing
[12:02] <yofel> ack, still need to get my data off the current one though. Can't use usb for.. obvious reasons, and the battery is empty.
[12:02] <yofel> As one of the pins is broken I'll get a new micro usb jack in town later and solder that on the board. *should* work - I hope
[12:03] <apachelogger> where's the data stored anyway
[12:03] <apachelogger> or on what
[12:03] <smartboyhw> yofel: Install Ubuntu Touch? ;) Or maybe Plasma Active?
[12:04] <yofel> partly on microSD, partly on internal storage - latter is the hard part, as it includes the phone numbers etc.
[12:04] <yofel> smartboyhw: uhm, I have a *hardware*, not software issue ;P
[12:04] <smartboyhw> yofel: I know, I mean after you fixed the phone;)
[12:15] <apachelogger> yofel: you should learn to sync phone numbas into the cloud
[12:16] <apachelogger> anyway I should have an n900 somewhere
[12:22] <shadeslayer> ^^
[12:22] <shadeslayer> give your data to Google
[12:22] <shadeslayer> muwhahaha
[12:23] <yofel> well, I guess the fact that I try not to do that makes me an odd person these days
[12:24] <apachelogger> well doesn't have to be google really
[12:25] <apachelogger> not having looked into it at some point phones were able to import vcards, and since everyone can export vcards you don't necessarily need the cloud at all
[12:25] <shadeslayer> could setup a CardDAV 
[12:25] <shadeslayer> using kolab
[12:30] <yofel> good point, I'll look into that
[13:51] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1247827] plasma-desktop hang. with kernel callstack @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1247827 (by Albert Zeyer)
[13:59] <shadeslayer> kubotu: np
[13:59] <shadeslayer> ~np
[13:59] <shadeslayer> ....
[14:02] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you're telling kubotu no problem?
[14:02] <kubotu> afternoon, Riddell
[14:02] <shadeslayer> now playing]
[14:02] <Riddell> see he likes me :)
[14:02] <Riddell> aah
[14:02] <shadeslayer> silly broken bot
[14:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger probably fed him too much whisky
[14:03] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[14:03] <apachelogger> kubotu: plugin list
[14:03] <apachelogger> brr
[14:03] <apachelogger> kubotu: help lastfm
[14:03] <kubotu> no help for topic lastfm
[14:03] <apachelogger> kubotu: help
[14:03] <kubotu> help topics: 10 core modules: auth, basics, config, filters, httputil, irclog, remote, unicode, userdata, wordlist; 56 plugins: alias, autoop, autorejoin, bans, bar, botsnack, chanserv, debug, dns, eightball, excuse, factoids, googlefight, greed, greet, hangman, host, identica, insult, iplookup, karma, keywords, lart, map, markov, modes, newpackage, nickrecover, nickserv, note, poll, q, quote, reaction, remind, ri,
[14:03] <kubotu> roshambo, rot, rss, salut, script, search, sed, seen, shiritori, spotify, time, topic, translator, tumblr, uno, urban, usermodes, wheeloffortune, wserver, youtube; 32 plugins ignored: use help ignored plugins to see why; 2 plugins failed to load: use help failed plugins to see why (help <topic> for more info)
[14:03] <apachelogger> kubotu: help failed plugins
[14:03] <kubotu> shortenurls.rb in /home/apachelogger/rbot/data/rbot/plugins failed with error LoadError: no such file to load -- shorturl
[14:03] <kubotu> twitter.rb in /home/apachelogger/rbot/data/rbot/plugins failed with error LoadError: no such file to load -- oauth
[14:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no such plugin
[14:04] <apachelogger> you are drunk
[14:04] <apachelogger> go to bed
[14:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no lastfm plugin? :O
[14:08] <shadeslayer> It was there
[14:10] <Riddell> I stopped using lastfm when they killed off the desktop client
[14:11] <Riddell> I feel a little bad for not just getting a subscription
[14:11] <Riddell> but only a little
[14:13]  * shadeslayer just uses spotify now
[14:15] <Riddell> proprietary software makes me feel dirty
[14:16] <apachelogger> well
[14:16] <apachelogger> the music aint free
[14:17] <apachelogger> why should the service feeding it to you be? :P
[14:17] <apachelogger> pyth0rn is giving me headaches
[14:18] <Riddell> creative vs technical content
[14:19] <apachelogger> dunno about you, but my code most certainly is proper art
[14:19] <shadeslayer> heh
[14:19]  * Riddell strokes apachelogger's goatie
[14:20] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm368W0OsHo
[14:57] <tester56> hi, kubuntu uses for oxygen icons a folder structure like: 8x8, 16x16, ... scalable and this folders contain subfolders like actions, emblems etc. but there are also icon themes that structure in another way (first actions, emblems and then the resolutions) ... now I would like to know: which way the deprecated one?
[15:01] <Riddell> tester56: oxygen follows the freedesktop icon name spec
[15:01] <Riddell> if it's the other way around then it's wrong
[15:02] <tester56> kfaenza from kdelook structes first things like actions etc. and then the resolutions as subfolders
[15:03] <tester56> Riddell: could you provide a link to that specification?
[15:03] <Riddell> gg:freedesktop icon name spec
[15:03] <Riddell> http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/icon-naming-spec-latest.html
[15:04] <tester56> thank you!
[15:18] <tester56> Riddell: When the icon theme is changed, the applications categories icons shown in the applications tab of kickoff are changed according to the icon theme. Is this upstream behaviour or part of the kubuntu conifiguration? (asking because in other distros that does not work, I am gald it works in kubuntu thogh :-))
[15:22] <Riddell> tester56: doesn't sound like one of our patches
[15:23] <Riddell> tester56: probably something to do with file watches which can be flakey, nice we're doing it right in kubuntu :)
[15:24] <tester56> but the categories specified for apps is not distro specific? (the things you can define in kmenuedit)
[15:28] <Riddell> tester56: nope, they're from the freedesktop menu spec
[15:29] <tester56> Riddell: do you know where the settings of kmenuedit are saved? (both icon settings and categories) 
[15:31] <Riddell> hmm, is it ~/.config
[15:31] <Riddell> something like that
[15:31] <Riddell> again, it'll be in the freedesktop menu spec
[15:31] <apachelogger> ScottK: did you see a muon notification for available distro upgrade on saucy?
[15:32] <Riddell> apachelogger: I did test for that and it did appear, I've also seen other people report it appear valorie I think
[15:32] <apachelogger> I was hoping I am imagining things -.- 
[15:32] <apachelogger> Riddell, valorie: did you notice anything out of the ordinary when that happened?
[15:34] <Riddell> apachelogger: nope, press systray icon and upgrade tool appears
[15:34] <apachelogger> mh
[15:35] <apachelogger> but it shouldn't happen :P
[15:35] <apachelogger>     if (exitStatus == 0)
[15:35] <apachelogger>         m_distUpgradeEvent->show();
[15:35] <Riddell> what shouldn't?
[15:35] <apachelogger> it only ever exits with 0 when the python thing actually found a new dist
[15:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: the notification shouldn't appear
[15:35] <Riddell> why not?
[15:36] <apachelogger> they are different noticiations
[15:36] <Riddell> what is?
[15:36] <apachelogger> the systray notification
[15:36] <apachelogger> you can get one for upgrades
[15:36] <apachelogger> and you can get one for distro upgrades
[15:36] <Riddell> yes
[15:36] <apachelogger> the distro upgrade one is bound to python update-manager thingum finding a new_dist
[15:37] <apachelogger> which it can't because muon does not support checking for devel releases
[15:37] <apachelogger> so it should not show that notification
[15:37] <apachelogger> because the python thing never exists with 0 because there is no new dist
[15:37] <apachelogger> it all makes no sense
[15:38] <Riddell> it should if there's a new final release
[15:38] <Riddell> not if there's a devel release
[15:39] <apachelogger> my point is, it cannot detect the devel release
[15:39] <apachelogger> it's hardcoded to only check for stable
[15:41] <Riddell> well yes, that's all anyone running muon cares about
[15:41] <Riddell> want a devel release use kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade
[15:52] <apachelogger> right
[15:52] <apachelogger> so why does the notification come up :P
[15:53] <tester56> Riddell: thx so far: the menu structure is defined in /etc/xdg/menus/kde4-applications.menu ... but I cannot figure out which file configures the icons for that
[15:55] <apachelogger> tester56: /usr/share/desktop-directories/ IIRC
[15:55] <Riddell> yep
[15:55] <Riddell> e.g. Icon=applications-education
[15:56] <tester56> GREAT: thx guys
[15:56] <tester56> I really appreciate the great support here!
[16:10] <Riddell> tester56: it's all in the expectation that you become an elite kubuntu contributor soon :)
[16:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: apachelogger any ideas why qapt generates a dbgsym package for each binary package?
[16:11] <shadeslayer> Instead of just one for the entire source
[16:11] <yofel> because you're building with pkg-create-dbgsym or something like that?
[16:12] <apachelogger> because dbgsym works like that :P
[16:16] <tester56> Riddell: I will try my best ... though I have to learn a lot before ... atm I am busy with graduating from school, but as soon as that is finished I could seriously focus in getting involved ... in the meantime I will try to test and write bug reports
[16:16] <shadeslayer> yofel: sure, I just thought dbgsym makes one dbg package for each source
[16:16] <shadeslayer> or atleast that's what I remember?
[16:33] <ScottK> apachelogger: No.
[18:59] <yofel> shadeslayer: nope, one for each binary
[19:07] <Blizzz> i believe my graphics card hates external monitors. fan is going full-steam while cpu tempareture is just below 90°C
[19:07] <Blizzz> well around 78-85°C
[19:14] <ovidiu-florin> quick question: whatdo you guys use for IM (instant messaging) ?? What protocol, service?
[19:15] <ovidiu-florin> besides IRC
[19:20] <genii> ovidiu-florin: Jabber and ICQ here.
[19:22] <BluesKaj> ICQ ...wow there's a blast form the past
[19:22] <genii> BluesKaj: My ICQ number is really old, only 5 digits
[19:23] <BluesKaj> what jabber client , genii ?
[19:23] <genii> BluesKaj: Actually right now I'm using btlbee to redirect it to my Quassel
[19:24] <BluesKaj> tried jabber for a while waaaayback