[01:27] <gassho> :D
[05:57] <snax> moin.
[05:57] <snax> Is it possible to use Qt 5.1 ?
[05:57] <snax> on kubuntu
[05:58] <snax> err is it in apt?
[05:58] <jalcine> snax: it's part of Ubuntu's SDK
[05:59] <jalcine> so you'd have to install Canonical's PPA for installing the Ubuntu SDK and then install Qt5.1
[05:59] <jalcine> er, Qt5.0
[05:59] <jalcine> I don't think 5.1 has been packaged as of yet
[06:00] <snax> Do most consumers still use Qt4 still ?
[06:00] <snax> There aren't even books on Qt5 yet.
[06:00] <jalcine> I'd lie if I said it's not widely available
[06:00] <valorie> or use Project Neon
[06:00] <valorie> #project-neon
[06:01] <jalcine> it's probably already packaged and ready in Arch Linux (I've attended a Tizen hackathon and saw it in a friend's package manager)
[06:01] <valorie> for more information
[06:01] <jalcine> snax: valorie's suggestion is a more natural and safer suggestion
[06:01] <snax> ok thanks
[06:01] <jalcine> also comes with the latest and greatest (though dangerous for production use) version of KDE
[06:01] <genii> !info libqt5core5 trusty
[06:01] <valorie> dailies, yes
[06:02] <genii> Hm.
[06:02] <Unit193> !info libqt5core5 unstable
[06:02] <Unit193> :D
[06:02]  * genii slides Unit193 a tasty coffee
[06:21] <jalcine> !info libqt5core5 saucy
[06:21] <jalcine> ah, so saucy comes with Qt5 (probably due to the inclusion of ubuntu-sdk)
[06:21] <jalcine> snax: if you're around and you're running 13.10/saucy, Qt5.0.2 is in your standard repos;
[06:59] <dragu> In new kubuntu release please extend apt-get by adding "apt-get downgrade"
[07:05] <genii> !downgrade
[07:39] <dragu> ubottu: I'm used after the last update
[07:51] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:52] <lordievader> dragu: What do you want to downgrade exactly? From 13.10 to 13.04?
[07:58] <dragu> lordievader: everything
[08:01] <lordievader> dragu: So from 13.10 to 13.04? Yes this is not supported. Only way to go would be a reinstall of Raring.
[08:02] <dragu> lordievader: I know, that's why I'm very unhappy
[08:02] <dragu> so many things doesn't work
[08:34] <jalcine> dragu: it'd help us help you if you explained what wasn't working
[08:56] <excognac> hi all
[09:00] <dragu> jalcine: for example bluetooth mouse, after awake it's  hard to make it work. When connection is fine, but mouse jams
[09:00] <excognac> I added multiply languages in kubuntu 13.10, for some reason my terminal started to use portuguese but all other applications are in English. (i want everything in English) how do i set it back?
[09:01] <jalcine> dragu: I can't remember 100% but I know some heavy bluetooth changes have been made in the upgrade
[09:01] <jalcine> I know because my phone and headphones got borked too
[09:01] <jalcine> but I just removed the old profiles from my config and addded them back in bluedevil and they worked
[09:01] <jalcine> excognac: I can understand the shell, if you do 'env | grep LC'; you'll see
[09:02] <jalcine> but you might have not set the default system language to be Portuguese
[09:02] <excognac> jalcine: i never did just added 4 languages in System Settings>Locale
[09:03] <excognac> jalcine: http://pastebin.kde.org/pd80mhyn7
[09:03] <excognac> that's aint funny
[09:04] <jalcine> haha good one ;)
[09:04] <jalcine> I think changing the locale options *might* require a login/logoff to take full effect. kdeinit is still using the older LC_* values
[09:05] <jalcine> though I think it should be able to hotswap those values when you change the language
[09:07] <excognac> jalcine: shall i try to reboot and see what happens?M
[09:08] <jalcine> If a reboot isn't too long, otherwise a login/logout would be safe since it cycles kdeinit
[09:10] <excognac> jalcine: logged out and in, terminal does the same
[09:10] <excognac> jalcine: and the command has the same output
[09:11] <jalcine> very interesting. try running 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales' and select english as your default term locale
[09:13] <lordievader> excognac: Or edit /etc/default/locale manually.
[09:14] <jalcine> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Locale#Troubleshooting might help as well
[09:14] <jalcine> ah, beat me to it
[09:18] <excognac> jalcine: ty worked
[09:22] <jalcine> excognac: sweet!
[09:24] <excognac> i'm trying to add a network printer. what's the differnce between PCX and PCL drivers?
[09:24] <excognac> *PXL and PCL
[09:35] <excognac> anybody has too much freetime and help me to set up a network printer? (Canon i-sensys MF9170 connected with X-cable to router)
[09:35] <jussi> excognac: where are you at with it ?
[09:39] <excognac> jussi: well, the printer has a superfancy panel, i can set shit load of things. i set now at Ipv4 settings>ip adress and BOOTP. i cant see it with ping <ip address>
[09:39] <jussi> excognac: have you installed the driver from canon on your PC?
[09:40] <excognac> jussi: i did, it worked fine on another machine with usb.
[09:41] <jussi> excognac: yeah, so the network thing is the issue. all I can say is "keep fiddling" - its a bit hard without having any of the interfaces in front of me/or experience with the printer
[09:41] <jussi> sorry :/
[09:44] <excognac> jussi: np, just opne thing: which of these protocols should be the least problematic?  DHCP BOOTP RARP?
[09:44] <jussi> dhcp
[09:45] <jussi> that means it takes the assigned address given by the router
[09:47] <excognac> jussi: how do i find what the router gives?
[09:48] <jussi> excognac:  just go to localhost:631 and see if it detects the printer if you try add it ?
[09:50] <excognac> ok. it gave me an ip address it has a suubnet mask and now i can set vaules for pass which is currently 0.0.0.0.
[09:50] <excognac> jussi: shall ^ i set that?
[09:50] <jussi> excognac: did it find it from the web UI on your pc?
[09:52] <excognac> jussi: nope
[09:53] <jussi> excognac: youll have to ask someone with more experience than me. sorry
[09:53] <excognac> jussi: np, stilll thanks for giving it a try
[09:57] <excognac> jalcine: lol. now nano uses portuguese in the menu, otherwise konsole is in english
[10:12] <claycorn> mune software crash issue
[10:14] <claycorn> hello?
[10:19] <excognac> lordievader: lol knsole still talks in portuguese here's ther output of /etc*
[10:19] <excognac> lordievader: lol knsole still talks in portuguese here's ther output of /etc/default/locale http://pastebin.kde.org/pwoyjd8hv
[10:21] <lordievader> excognac: Did you reboot? I wouldn't be surprised if such a change does require you to reboot.
[10:21] <excognac> lordievader:  i just logged in and out, but correc t i try to reboot now
[10:32] <excognac> lordievader: still the same after reboot.
[10:35] <lordievader> excognac: Are we talking about the Konsole or the shell?
[10:36] <excognac> lordievader: Well. the Konsole i guess. i installed something with muon and then everything appeared in English there ( i guess that was shell)
[10:37] <lordievader> excognac: Is the language in the menu and preferences (etc) from konsole wrong. Or the output language from commands.
[10:37] <lordievader> ?
[10:39] <excognac> lordievader: oh sorry with operating with wrong terms. just the output language appears in portugues (English would be desired) everzything else, menues etc. are inEnglish
[10:39] <Okitain> Hi peeps. I have a problem.
[10:40] <lordievader> excognac: Right, ok so it is the shell (bash probably).
[10:40] <Okitain> My flash drive, previously used by Ubuntu Live (via dd) still thinks there is an ubuntu there, after a format and a total partition table reinstall.
[10:40] <Okitain> How to make it not do that?
[10:41] <lordievader> excognac: Could you pastebin the output of "env|grep LANG"?
[10:42] <excognac> lordievader: http://pastebin.kde.org/pvhjtf4ws
[10:48] <lordievader> excognac: Hmm, you could try running 'sudo update-locale LANG="en_GB.UTF-8" LANGUAGE="en_GB"' to get rid of the 4 languages.
[10:53] <excognac> lordievader: and rebot?
[10:55] <lordievader> excognac: Yes, that is probably wise.
[10:56] <excognac> lordievader: output language is still the same. reboot will only happen a few hours later as I'm copying a huge load of data
[10:57] <lordievader> excognac: What does "locale" report? Still 4 languages?
[10:57] <apachelogger> cat ~/.kde/env/*
[10:58] <excognac> lordievader: env | grep LANG has the exact same output yes
[11:02] <lordievader> excognac: Have you done what apachelogger said?
[11:05] <excognac> lordievader: apachelogger: cat ~/.kde/env/* export LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 export LANGUAGE=en_GB:en_US:pt:fr:hu:en
[11:05] <apachelogger> kcmshell4 language
[11:06] <apachelogger> second tab, left hand side
[11:06] <apachelogger> will only apply on next login though
[11:06] <apachelogger> eh, right hand side xD
[11:12] <excognac> apachelogger: yeah i have 4 (5 with British) here. As i use these 4, however, i would like to have English everywhere (output for shell and so)
[11:13] <apachelogger> oh, possibly there's a bug
[11:15] <lordievader> excognac: British is on top I suppose?
[11:15] <Okitain> apachelogger: you don't say
[11:16] <excognac> lordievader: yes
[11:16] <apachelogger> I mean, the KCM should probably map en_US to en for LANGUAGE values, it just doesn't xD
[11:16] <apachelogger> untested use case that is
[11:17] <apachelogger> excognac: if you export LANGUAGE=en_GB:en:pt:fr:hu:en the terminal apps are english I presume?
[11:20] <excognac> apachelogger:nope, nano's output/menu is still portuguese
[11:20] <excognac> and terminal output is still portuguese
[11:21] <apachelogger> excognac: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+filebug bug report please, this will need some looking into
[11:23] <excognac> apachelogger: i'll copy there the output of commands too.
[11:23] <apachelogger> thanks
[11:33] <excognac> apachelogger: i'd use 12.04 if iut could handloe my processor+graphics  but it simply can't. (Also, current 13.10 thinks i have 4 screens with 3 monitors) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/1247802
[11:33] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:44] <miz> BluesKaj: i'm sorry i had a disconnection yesterday; i tried to remove my thrid party ppas (just by deleting sources.list.d), but i'm still getting the same error during "do-release-upgrade"
[11:46] <miz> so i still cannot upgrade to 13.10
[11:46] <BluesKaj> miz .the ppas are in the /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[11:46] <miz> BluesKaj: yes i deleted that whole folder
[11:47] <miz> but i'm not sure it was enough to remove the associated packages
[11:47] <BluesKaj> oops i misread , ok one doesn't delete the file , just the ppas located there
[11:48] <miz> BluesKaj: what can i do now? because i don't remember the dozens of ppa's that were there
[11:49] <BluesKaj> the ppas are probly still in muon since you probly didn't update after deleting, correct?
[11:50] <miz> BluesKaj: i did update (and upgrade) and autoremove etc. but nothing much happened
[11:50] <BluesKaj> vheck muon
[11:50] <BluesKaj> err check
[11:53] <miz> in "Other Software" i have "canonical partners", "independent" and "independent source-code", should i uncheck these?
[11:55] <miz> BluesKaj: i tried to do that, and then apt-get upgrade and upgrade, but still getting the same error on do-release-upgrade
[11:58] <Caleb--> hi
[12:00] <jussi> hi Caleb--
[12:00] <Caleb--> when i run "date", or for example "ls -l" the month is printed in hebrew instead of english for me (my country was set to Israel)
[12:00] <Caleb--> is there a way for me to change that so it prints in english instead?
[12:02] <jussi> Caleb--: I do not know the answer to that one sorry, but have a look in the locale part of system settings as a guess
[12:02] <BluesKaj> miz. , check muon sources >updtaes tab>"show new distribution releases , make sure it's set to normal releases
[12:02] <miz> BluesKaj: yes it is, muon does notify me of a new release, and i get the same error with the GUI updater
[12:04] <BluesKaj> ok miz ,  what's the error ?
[12:10] <miz> BluesKaj: An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade.This can be caused by:* Upgrading to a pre-release version of Ubuntu* Running the current pre-release version of Ubuntu* Unofficial software packages not provided by Ubuntu
[12:10] <Caleb--> jussi, looks like the output of "locale" is LC_TIME=he_IL.UTF-8
[12:11] <jussi> Caleb--: but did you look in the system settings "locale" section?
[12:11] <Caleb--> the KDE Sysetm Settings don't have an option for changing that :S
[12:11] <Caleb--> ^ in the locale section
[12:15] <Caleb--> hm, i might need to edit  /etc/default/locale
[12:17] <BluesKaj> miz. scroll about 1/3 down on this page , find 10 answers . http://askubuntu.com/questions/360293/upgrading-13-04-to-13-10-could-not-calculate-the-upgrade
[12:17] <excognac> apachelogger: lol, i have now 2 Konsole windows open. the second one has french output
[12:18] <miz> BluesKaj: sorry, had to reboot: http://pastebin.com/ycuh13t0
[12:18] <BluesKaj> miz. scroll about 1/3 down on this page , find 10 answers . http://askubuntu.com/questions/360293/upgrading-13-04-to-13-10-could-not-calculate-the-upgrade
[12:18] <miz> BluesKaj: yep, this is the pastebin for the first suggestion
[12:19] <miz> BluesKaj: i also tried the set-selections suggestion, but i have no package in "hold" state
[12:20] <miz> BluesKaj: and in main.log, i have: http://i.imgur.com/VXArV02.png
[12:20] <apachelogger> excognac: paste env of both
[12:22] <miz> BluesKaj: i'll try to horrible script of the rude guy
[12:22] <miz> s/to/the/
[12:22] <BluesKaj> well mix , suggest you backup your data and do a clean install
[12:23] <apachelogger> or ppa-purge every ppa
[12:24] <miz> apachelogger: i don't have the list of the ppa anymore
[12:24] <BluesKaj> perhaps someone else recognizes a fix to your problem , miz , but I have no ideas
[12:24] <miz> np
[12:24] <BluesKaj> apachelogger. , miz deleted the sources.list.d folder
[12:24] <ardian_> Hi, I am using Kubuntu 12.04 is it a good idea to upgrade KDE ?
[12:25] <apachelogger> why that's unhelpful xD
[12:25] <apachelogger> miz: FWIW /var/log/updater or somesuch folder *may* contain a list
[12:25] <apachelogger> so you can add them back and then ppa-purge
[12:26] <miz> apachelogger: i'm running http://pastebin.com/5sqfXsJK right now
[12:26] <apachelogger> generally speaking new install is less of a hassle ;)
[12:26] <apachelogger> miz: ehm
[12:26] <apachelogger> yeah
[12:26] <apachelogger> that is not supported
[12:26] <apachelogger> also that will install ubuntu desktop :P
[12:27] <miz> ye i saw that too late :(
[12:27] <apachelogger> mh
[12:27] <apachelogger> there's so much wrong with that command I think my head will explode now
[12:28] <miz> meeh, it's going to be fine :)
[12:28] <BluesKaj> miz don't do stuff we're not aware of . otherwisew how can anyone hrlp if they don't know the state of your install
[12:28] <BluesKaj> help
[12:28] <excognac> apachelogger: i cant paste it, kde.pastbin says  i'm a spammer
[12:29] <apachelogger> excognac: paste.ubuntu.com
[12:29] <apachelogger> paste.kde is rubbish
[12:29] <miz> BluesKaj: i wasn't getting any new suggestion
[12:29] <apachelogger> don't use it
[12:29] <BluesKaj> miz , i already told you , a clean install is probly your best alternative to the mess you have
[12:30] <miz> yes i agree, but that's not an option atm, i'd have too much backup to do
[12:30] <miz> don't have the time
[12:31]  * BluesKaj shrugs , well then don't upgrade until you have the time
[12:31] <apachelogger> on the plus side, you can do a clean install with /home on a separate partitoin and once you have a clean install you can choose not to add all sorts of PPAs and thus enable flawless upgrades from hereon out :P
[12:31] <excognac> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6358506/
[12:31] <miz> apachelogger: do you prefer building external software from source rather than having them on ppa?
[12:31] <BluesKaj> don't think he has  ? and /home partitions
[12:32] <apachelogger> miz: external software would not hold back upgrades
[12:32] <BluesKaj> correction / and /home
[12:32] <apachelogger> upgrades are only held back when you have a dependency graph that cannot be resolved
[12:32] <ardian_> I am very new to KDE, and I use Firefox but I am having some problems with it like if I try to open an archive file, it asks me with what I want to open it
[12:32] <apachelogger> if the dependency of a third party application breaks the application will be removed to resolve the dependency graph
[12:33] <apachelogger> e.g. foobar -> kdelibs5 (=4.10.0) ... remove foobar to unbreak graph
[12:34] <miz> i think i'll move to debian for the next install
[12:34] <apachelogger> ppa provides kdelibs5 (4.14.0) but an official package requires kdelibs5 (4.11.0) ... dependency cannot be resolved as it would require a downgrade which may break part of the graph, whereas not downgraded breaks the other half of the graph
[12:35] <miz> yes i see
[12:35] <apachelogger> miz: that doesn't change anything
[12:35] <apachelogger> if a third party introduces crappy packages also debian will fall apart
[12:35] <BluesKaj> miz. that won't solve your ppa issues if you add them again'
[12:35] <miz> i know, just a thought
[12:36] <apachelogger> ardian_: I think installing firefox-gnome-support should take care of that
[12:36] <miz> but they only have rolling upgrade right? no "distribution" upgrades?
[12:36] <BluesKaj> miz. do yo have / and/home partitions?
[12:36] <miz> no just one
[12:36] <ardian_> apachelogger: isn't there a packe for KDE ?
[12:37] <apachelogger> ardian_: no, what for if there is one that works just as well? :P
[12:37] <BluesKaj> miz it's advisable you create a /home partition on your next clean install
[12:37] <miz> right
[12:38] <ardian_> apachelogger: lol hopefully, I am just a bit afraid that it will crash something:P I am using kubuntu lts, is it a good idea to upgrade KDE to the last ver ?
[12:38] <miz> btw, when you build and install a software from source, should i install it on ~/bin?
[12:38] <apachelogger> ardian_: latest version being?
[12:39] <miz> s/you/i/
[12:39] <apachelogger> ardian_: any upgrade you get out of the box is certainly a good idea
[12:39] <ardian_> apachelogger: right now I am on kde 4.8.5, looking forward to add a repo for kde 4.11
[12:40] <apachelogger> if the repo is our repo then the new version certainly will work, whether it's a good idea depends on how stable you want your system to be ;)
[12:41] <apachelogger> miz: containing software to ~/ certainly is a good idea
[12:41] <apachelogger> next best option would be /usr/local/
[12:42] <miz> apachelogger: are you talking about software built from source, or every software including packages?
[12:43] <apachelogger> how would you force a package to install to ~/?
[12:44] <miz> don't know, never tried
[12:45] <BluesKaj> apachelogger. I think he said ~/bin , which i haven't heard of before
[12:46] <apachelogger> well, it's a bin in your home ;)
[12:47] <apachelogger> like /usr/bin, except not in /usr
[12:48] <BluesKaj> then you created that path ?
[12:49] <BluesKaj> beause it doesn't exist by default in my seup
[12:49] <BluesKaj> because
[12:49] <apachelogger> yeah
[12:49]  * BluesKaj searches for his glasses
[12:50] <apachelogger> you could put exectuables into ~/fluffyunicornsonrainbows/ as long as it is in the PATH variable
[12:50] <BluesKaj> I fail to see the advantage
[12:51] <miz> BluesKaj: i think this is where we're supposed to install the software we build from source, but i'm not sure
[12:51] <apachelogger> BluesKaj: you don't need to sudo
[12:51] <miz> BluesKaj: it's so as not to interfere with the package installs
[12:52] <BluesKaj> well it's not in /usr  anyway if you compile from source
[12:54] <BluesKaj> apachelogger. I use aliases in ~/bashrc for a lot of apt-get commands , sudo isn't an issue for me
[12:55] <BluesKaj> err aliases
[12:59] <apachelogger> it's not that typing sudo that is the problem, it's running it at all
[13:03] <BluesKaj> yes of course , but it's not a bother for me
[13:24] <xee> Hi, I would like to ask why backports(unsupported updates) is enabled by default in Kubuntu, it's not in Ubuntu as far as I know.
[13:37] <apachelogger> BluesKaj: it's a security problem, not a bother :P
[13:37] <apachelogger> xee: it's not
[13:38] <apachelogger> oh it is
[13:38] <apachelogger> peculiar
[13:39]  * apachelogger installs ubuntu
[13:40] <yofel> IIRC it's enabled by default with a 100 pin
[13:40] <apachelogger> I seem to recall some discussion
[13:40] <yofel> so nothing's automatically updated
[13:40] <apachelogger> so that you can opt to install a specific version
[13:52] <menace> how can i reopen a bug in the kde bugtracker? activity manager -> add a widget still crashes with kde 4.11 (kubuntu saucy) (https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=283626)
[13:54] <apachelogger> xee: yeah, works as expected
[13:55] <apachelogger> menace: file a new one, it's likely crashing for different reasons
[13:56] <menace> for which component/product does the activity manager belong to?
[13:56] <menace> kactivity?
[13:56] <apachelogger> menace: plasma-desktop activities
[14:11] <zero_coder> hello
[14:11] <zero_coder> my computer is freezing at times
[14:12] <BluesKaj> zero_coder. have you updated/upgraed lately ?
[14:12] <BluesKaj> upgraded
[14:12] <zero_coder> BluesKaj, yep
[14:12] <[Raiden]> hi
[14:13] <BluesKaj> zero_coder. which kubuntu version?
[14:13] <[Raiden]> from russia with love ))
[14:13] <zero_coder> kubuntu 13.10
[14:13] <zero_coder> saucy :)
[14:13] <BluesKaj> zero_coder.  graphics card make ?
[14:14] <zero_coder> intel hd 3000
[14:14] <zero_coder> BluesKaj, my disk usage analyzer is showing 100% most of the times in ubuntu and windows
[14:15] <zero_coder> i mean the disk transfer rate of hdd
[14:16] <BluesKaj> zero_coder. sudo lshw -C video just to make sure , then check your system monitor to see what's using up your resources, or ctrl+esc
[14:17] <lordievader> zero_coder: Or install iotop to see what process is generating the disk io.
[14:18] <frantic>  
[14:18] <BluesKaj> ctrl+esc loads system activity on the desktop
[14:18] <[Raiden]> no russian channel about kubuntu on this server. This is no good
[14:19] <BluesKaj> !ru
[14:19] <[Raiden]> ubottu: ok
[14:19] <[Raiden]> BluesKaj: ok ))
[14:19] <BluesKaj> {r do you have a question , your english seems quite good
[14:20] <BluesKaj> [Raiden].^
[14:21] <[Raiden]> I am glad that my English language is clear. No questions asked yet, maybe later :)
[14:21] <BluesKaj> [Raiden]. ok :)
[14:30] <menace> well, created my first kde bug.. :> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=327130
[14:34] <BluesKaj> menace. , just right click on the desktop , all those options will show
[14:35] <menace> it still should not crash when i use it with the taskbar-version of the activity manager. either that, or that button is removed in the standard distribution?
[14:35] <BluesKaj> oops , gotta go ...BBL
[14:36] <menace> did i say something wrong?
[14:58] <MangaKaDenza> odd
[14:58] <MangaKaDenza> none of the things that require authentication are qorking
[14:58] <drbobb> has the alternate (text-mode) installer been discontinued in 13.10?
[14:58] <MangaKaDenza> and none of the Password Required prompts are up
[14:59]  * genii makes more coffee and stares at MangaKaDenza
[14:59]  * MangaKaDenza makes more MangaKaDenza and stares at coffee
[14:59] <genii> MangaKaDenza: What was the last non-sanctioned operation you did to your poor computer? ;)
[15:00] <MangaKaDenza> I installed windows using wine
[15:00]  * BluesKaj shakes his head in disbelief
[15:00] <BluesKaj> must be a joke'
[15:01] <genii> BluesKaj: Probably not, unfortunately
[15:01] <drbobb> the new installer doesn't understand the concept of a statically assigned IP?
[15:01] <MangaKaDenza> but seriously though... none of the auth prompts are showing up
[15:01] <MangaKaDenza> so I cant install anything in gui mode
[15:01] <MangaKaDenza> er
[15:02] <MangaKaDenza> or change any system settings
[15:02] <MangaKaDenza> ;-;
[15:02] <genii> MangaKaDenza: Usually has to do with whatever frontend you need to policykit
[15:02] <genii> MangaKaDenza: I know you're probably not using KDE right now... what desktop are you running?
[15:03] <MangaKaDenza> actually KDE finally
[15:03] <genii> Hah.
[15:03] <MangaKaDenza> 4srs
[15:03] <genii> MangaKaDenza: Probably need to install polkit-kde-1 package
[15:03] <drbobb> power management settings don't work in 13.10?
[15:04] <MangaKaDenza> already installed
[15:04] <drbobb> no matter how I change the settings, they revert to defaults anyway
[15:06] <drbobb> adding the fact that neither video nor wifi work correctly on my laptop any longer, I'm finding 13.10 pretty much broken for me
[15:07] <BluesKaj> drbobb. have you updated and upgraded since the install?
[15:08] <drbobb> BluesKaj: sure I have
[15:08] <BluesKaj> in the last few days ?
[15:08] <drbobb> like yesterday
[15:09] <BluesKaj> ok , which graphics?
[15:09] <drbobb> GeForce 310M
[15:10] <BluesKaj> drbobb. then check in the kmenu>apps>system>additional drivers
[15:11] <drbobb> and tell me, does the installer really not know the concept of a static IP, or am I missing something?
[15:11] <drbobb> BluesKaj: I already did, tried all permutations
[15:11] <drbobb> nothing works
[15:11] <drbobb> tried PPA's as well
[15:12] <BluesKaj> are you using network manager or the network/interfaces file settings for setting a static IP
[15:13] <MangaKaDenza> sorry, desktop froze
[15:13] <drbobb> BluesKaj: afaics, there's no way to do it through the GUI
[15:13] <drbobb> so I edit /etc/network/interfaces
[15:15] <drbobb> then the installer fails to recognize a network is available
[15:16] <drbobb> but anyway, that's rather minor
[15:16] <BluesKaj> drbobb. yeah , there used to be , but I see that option is removed, then obviously you have to set it up in  /etc/network/interfaces ...is this wfi or ethernet?
[15:16] <drbobb> in the current case it's eth0
[15:16] <BluesKaj> which installer do you mean ?
[15:18] <drbobb> the one in the installation image
[15:18] <drbobb> there seems to be only one now, the alternate images are gone
[15:18] <drbobb> (I really don't like any of these changes, in case you wonder)
[15:19] <BluesKaj> which images , the isos ?
[15:20] <drbobb> yes, those you reach by following download links on the site
[15:21] <BluesKaj> they're called packages if you mean apps etc that one installs from the repositories
[15:23] <drbobb> BluesKaj: I've been using (k)ubuntu since, like, 2006?
[15:24] <BluesKaj> download links on what site ? if you continue to be obtuse or don't undestand the nomenclature for OS iso and images then I can't help
[15:24] <drbobb> I mean kubuntu-13.10-desktop-amd64.iso, to be as precise as possible
[15:25] <BluesKaj> ok , now we're getting somewhere
[15:25] <BluesKaj> ubiquity doesn't connect to the internet ?
[15:26] <BluesKaj> live cd or usb?
[15:26] <drbobb> live dvd
[15:27] <BluesKaj> so it gives an error message that the repos aren't available , correct ?
[15:28] <BluesKaj> the live media doesn't use your static IP settings
[15:28] <drbobb> the installer fails to recognize a network is available
[15:28] <drbobb> although the connection work fine
[15:28] <MangaKaDenza> also, I replaced the linux kernel with an old windows kernel
[15:29] <drbobb> but that's a very minor issue
[15:29] <drbobb> vs. the fact the I can no longer use my laptop's wifi
[15:30] <drbobb> because it connects only to a few select AP's, against most it fails
[15:31] <MangaKaDenza> at this point... I'm just throwing stuff around and hoping it doesn't break
[15:31] <drbobb> (right now I'm using my android phone as a wifi interface, over usb)
[15:32] <drbobb> it's been years since I last had to struggle with ndiswrapper
[15:32] <drbobb> but looks like it's the last resort once again
[15:34] <BluesKaj> drbobb. which wifi chip?
[15:35] <drbobb> BCM4313
[15:35] <genii> MangaKaDenza: Is this with the default user that was created or a user which was created afterwards? eg: Subsequent users don't have admin rights by default, only the first user which was made at install time does
[15:36] <genii> !bcm
[15:36] <drbobb> thanks, but those docs are outdated
[15:36] <genii> drbobb: Yes, they are getting pretty antiquated, unfortunately :-/
[15:37] <drbobb> and this did work pretty well two releases ago
[15:37] <drbobb> not quite so well in the previous really
[15:37] <drbobb> and not much in the current
[15:38] <drbobb> yes I have done my research and I think I tried all options, other than ndiswrapper
[15:39] <BluesKaj> http://askubuntu.com/questions/94021/how-do-i-get-the-broadcom-bcm4313-wireless-working-on-an-asus-1015px , this one too ?
[15:42] <drbobb> BluesKaj: that is pretty old as well
[15:44] <BluesKaj> old might work tho
[15:44] <BluesKaj> BCM should connect , it's one of the most common
[15:44] <drbobb> anyhow: FATAL: Module brcm80211 not found.
[15:45] <drbobb> the usual recommendation is to use Broadcom's STA driver, the 'wl' module
[15:46] <drbobb> in my case, it works against only one of several AP's I tried it against
[15:46] <drbobb> (and not too well in fact)
[15:46] <BluesKaj> are you on a wan ?
[15:47] <BluesKaj> wide area network
[15:48] <drbobb> by which you mean?
[15:50] <BluesKaj> in an office situation with many pcs and APs to the net
[15:51] <drbobb> yes in the office we have about a dozen APs spread around the building
[15:52] <drbobb> afaik they are cisco, coordinated by a cisco controller
[15:52] <BluesKaj> ok , I'm not experienced with that situation
[15:53] <drbobb> at home I have some run-of-the-mill linksys, and it works(somewhat)
[15:53] <drbobb> meaning it connects ok, but disconnects in a while
[15:58] <drbobb> anyhow, for some time each release was better than the previous, but now it seems to be the other way around
[16:00] <drbobb> more and more becomes broken
[16:32] <drbobb> looks like krdc doesn't work anymore
[16:34] <MangaKaDenza> Guys I have another question
[16:34] <MangaKaDenza> So I'm trying to play TF2, but when I try to open it, it says I need S3TC support
[16:35] <lordievader> MangaKaDenza: http://askubuntu.com/questions/231176/how-do-i-install-s3tc might help.
[16:40] <yossarianuk> MangaKaDenza: what GOU do you have ?
[16:40] <yossarianuk> *GPU*
[16:40] <MangaKaDenza> AMD APU
[16:43] <yossarianuk> MangaKaDenza: if your not already using the binary driver - install it.
[16:44] <MangaKaDenza> er
[16:45] <MangaKaDenza> using X.Org X server
[17:08] <gassho> muon package manager could not download packages
[17:08] <gassho> ;-;
[17:09] <BluesKaj> maybe you're up to date
[17:16]  * gassho imagines BluesKaj making a jedi gesture while saying that
[17:16] <genii> gassho: Do you know what packages it's having issue with?
[17:17] <genii> ( eg: from the stock repositories, or are these from PPA which were added )
[17:17] <gassho> dunno
[17:18] <genii> gassho: I would close Muon for now, and try in Konsole: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade     ....and then see if any errors are reported
[17:20] <gassho> y thank u
[17:20] <gassho> it says 'hash sum mismatch
[17:21] <gassho> W: Failed to fetch gzip:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_saucy_multiverse_binary-amd64_Packages
[17:22] <genii> gassho: I recommend: sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_saucy_multiverse_binary-amd64_Packages      ...and then to re-run the commands I gave just earlier
[17:22] <genii> ( the lists sometimes become corrupt but the apt-get update will make a new list if one does not exist)
[17:32] <Gatak> Hi. I just unstalled kubuntu. KDE seems much more feature-ful than the unity interface. =)
[17:32] <gassho> whee
[17:32] <gassho> thanks genii
[17:33] <Gatak> One thing I noticed though is a lag when opening kontacts and moving the mouse over the menus. They often lag before showing. Is that normal?
[17:34] <genii> gassho: You're welcome :)
[17:35] <genii> gassho: Your Muon should probably work again now.
[17:35] <genii> ( if the apt-get commands are finished)
[17:37] <gassho> yup yup yup
[17:40] <murali> hi friends. please help me how to install drivers for my new graphic card. i donloaded a file from the website for linux OS. dont know wat to do with it.
[17:41] <BluesKaj> Gatak. how long is the lag ?
[17:41] <BluesKaj> murali. which graphics card?
[17:42] <murali> BluesKaj: Its Zotac Geforce 210
[17:42] <Gatak> BluesKaj: It is tenth of a second or so perhaps and sometimes more
[17:43] <Gatak> BluesKaj: Running on a laptop with core2 and ssd disk. fresh install. it seems like kmail  has to read some settings before showing some menus. Then it works ok for a bit until it flushes out the setting/menu and it lags again
[17:44] <BluesKaj> murali. no need to use your downloaded driver , the right driver in located in kmenu>apps>system>additional drivers
[17:45] <BluesKaj> Gatak. well if you have nepomuk indexer and akonadi running then =you may suffer a slight lag
[17:47] <Gatak> How can I tell? :)
[17:47] <Gatak> If they are default in kubuntu, then yes I do have them
[17:47] <BluesKaj> murali. Geforce 210 uses the nvidia gpu
[17:48] <murali>    BluesKaj, i have got a list of nvedia graphics driver. which once shud i opt for?
[17:48] <BluesKaj> Gatak. if you have kmail installed and the desktop search is enabled in system settings
[17:49] <BluesKaj> murali. look at the info about the drivers , the 319 driver should listed there , install / activate it
[17:51] <murali> BluesKaj: Its downloading now. is there anything that needs to be done installation???
[17:52] <BluesKaj> murali. it will self install the dialog you were just using is the installer as well
[17:52] <BluesKaj> murali. most likely a reboot will be required
[17:53] <murali> BluesKaj: Thank you so much for helping me out.
[17:53] <BluesKaj> a notifier will pop up once it's finished installing
[17:54] <BluesKaj> np murali , it should work for you
[17:54] <murali> BluesKaj, thank you. if any issue, i will get back.
[17:55] <BluesKaj> murali. ok
[17:57] <Gatak> BluesKaj: ok thanks. I disabled email search
[17:58] <BluesKaj> Gatak. i'm not sure how much difference that will make , it's trade off
[18:09] <MangaKaDenza> so I'm using the open source X.Org server thing graphics driver
[18:09] <MangaKaDenza> but anywho... it still don't work
[18:09] <MangaKaDenza> :<
[18:15] <Wizard> Hi.
[18:16] <Wizard> Kubuntu 13.10 is not available for amd64?
[18:16] <MangaKaDenza> wait what?
[18:16] <MangaKaDenza> I just got a notify that there's a new kubuntu
[18:16] <MangaKaDenza> but... I already have 13.10
[18:16] <MangaKaDenza> wat
[18:17] <Okitain> Hey, does anyone know how to make Firefox use xdg-open?
[18:17] <Okitain> Wizard:  it totally is.
[18:17] <Okitain> I just downloaded it.
[18:18] <[Raiden]> Wizard: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/13.10/release/kubuntu-13.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[18:18] <Wizard> Meh.
[18:18] <BluesKaj> Wizard. of courswe it is
[18:19] <genii> !doesntwork | MangaKaDenza
[18:19] <MangaKaDenza> genii, TF2 needs some S3TC support thing
[18:19] <Wizard> Nah, than either something is wrong or the download link on the website is broken.
[18:21] <BluesKaj> Wizard. that URL above posted by [Raiden] should open a downloader
[18:21] <genii> Wizard: If you went through the kubuntu site download, it's possible the mirror it redirected you to is currently down/broken. Have you tried directly downloading it from the url [Raiden] just supplied?
[18:21] <Wizard> BluesKaj: Yes, it did. Thanks, [Raiden].
[18:21] <[Raiden]> np
[18:21] <Wizard> genii: Yes, that is probable.
[18:22] <Okitain> MangaKaDenza: there is libtxc, tried it?
[18:22] <Wizard> I didn't know cdimage.ubuntu.com redirects.
[18:22] <genii> MangaKaDenza: Have you tried picking one of the proprietary drivers from System...Additional Drivers ?
[18:22] <MangaKaDenza> genii, would that do the trick
[18:22] <PT_Dreamer_> new plasma-nm is awful
[18:23] <genii> MangaKaDenza: Hopefully :)
[22:31] <fusano> salve
[22:31] <fusano> !list
[22:32] <MangaKaDenza> :>
[22:44] <MangaKaDenza> Sammael k
[23:23]  * Wizard yawns
[23:48] <user___> hi
[23:48] <user___> want an english/spanish offline translator - google not exceedingly helpful - please help
[23:53] <user____> want an english/spanish offline translator - google not exceedingly helpful  for kubuntu 13 - please help
[23:53] <MangaKaDenza> plzno
[23:53] <user____> why isn't muon installing apps in kubuntu 13
[23:54] <user____> MangaKaDenza:  plzno at me?
[23:54] <MangaKaDenza> uh.. wrong window
[23:55] <user____> k