[17:54] <toddy> hi there :)
[17:57] <ara> hello!
[18:00] <ara> Hello all
[18:01] <toddy> hello ara
[18:02] <ara> I think there is only three of us for the meeting, but we should get started
[18:02] <ara> let see how the bot works
[18:02] <ara> [STARTMEETING]
[18:02] <ara> mmm
[18:02] <ara> didn't work
[18:02] <toddy> #startmeeting ?
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[18:03] <toddy> :)
[18:03] <toddy> #endmeeting
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[18:03] <toddy> and now you, ara
[18:03] <ara> cool!
[18:03] <ara> #startmeeting
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[18:03] <ara> Agenda:
[18:03] <ara> Goals of the group. How we are going to decide on them. -- [ara]
[18:03] <ara> Next meeting -- [ara]
[18:03] <ara> IRC channel -- [ara]
[18:03] <ara> Intertech panel? -- [ara]
[18:04] <ara> mmm, I think I was the only one submitting topics :)
[18:04] <ara> so, let's hope the any other business show something else
[18:04] <Deindre> would we wait a minute?
[18:04] <ara> sure
[18:05] <ara> we are not that many people
[18:05] <ara> if that's fine with toddy as well
[18:05] <Deindre> maybe someone is still around
[18:05] <toddy> ok
[18:10] <ara> OK; it is ten past, I think we can get started
[18:10] <ara> #topic Goals of the group. How we are going to decide on them.
[18:11] <ara> I think we need two things:
[18:11] <ara>  * The "BIG" goal for the group (why we exist)
[18:11] <ara>  * How we plan to accomplish that goal (the little steps towards that goal).
[18:11] <ara> How we are going to define the "BIG" goal? Shall someone give it a try and propose it to the mailing list?
[18:11] <ara> well, first of all maybe we should decide whether meetings are the best communication channel
[18:11] <ara> it is difficult to make decision with only 3 people showing
[18:11] <ara> what do you guys think?
[18:12] <Deindre> I think that generally IRC works fine
[18:13] <toddy> For the goals we should use the mailinglist, i think
[18:14] <ara> but do we agree that we need those two things? maybe we need to set up a wiki or something for people to put the ideas there
[18:16] <toddy> Yes I think that we need these things. A wikipage is good to collective some suggestions
[18:17] <ara> toddy, do you want to give it a try? or do you prefer someone else to create the initial content (by content I mean, the needed sections, etc)
[18:18] <toddy> I can do this. But not today.
[18:18] <ara> toddy, sure, no pressure :)
[18:18] <toddy> ok :)
[18:18] <ara> toddy, thanks!
[18:19] <ara> #action toddy to create a basic wiki page as a placeholder for people to collaborate on the BIG goal and how to get there and share it in the mailing list when done (no deadline)
[18:19] <meetingology> ACTION: toddy to create a basic wiki page as a placeholder for people to collaborate on the BIG goal and how to get there and share it in the mailing list when done (no deadline)
[18:20] <ara> OK, anything else on this topic?
[18:21] <ara> OK, moving on
[18:21] <ara> #topic Next meeting -- [ara]
[18:21] <ara> OK, I was going to propose this same hour, every other week, or monthly, but it seems that it may not work so well
[18:23] <toddy> maybe. but it was the best date (doodle)
[18:23] <ara> yes, but, again, I don't think we are enough people to decide
[18:23] <ara> Let's defer it
[18:24] <toddy> ok
[18:24] <ara> #topic IRC channel -- [ara]
[18:25] <ara> I wanted to discuss the IRC channel
[18:25] <ara> when I tried to join #ubuntu-lgbt, it redirected me to #ubuntu-for-all
[18:25] <toddy> we need a topic :)
[18:25] <ara> hey koen_
[18:25] <koen_> heya
[18:25] <koen_> sorry I'm late
[18:25] <toddy> hi koen_
[18:25] <ara> koen_, no worries
[18:25] <ara> koen_, we are discussing the irc channel
[18:26] <ara>  when I tried to join #ubuntu-lgbt, it redirected me to #ubuntu-for-all
[18:26] <ara> so, someone already created this link
[18:26] <ara> if we think we need our own channel, I can try to discover who is in charce of #ubuntu-for-all
[18:26] <ara> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuForAll
[18:27] <ara> what do you guys think?
[18:27] <Deindre> ara: is this channel logged?
[18:28] <ara> not sure, let's see
[18:28] <toddy> the mail-list of those group is nearly dead: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-for-all/
[18:28] <ara> it is: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/11/04/%23ubuntu-for-all.html
[18:29] <Deindre> ok
[18:29] <ara> Deindre, what do you think?
[18:30] <Deindre> I think we should set a unique brand: Ubuntu for all sounds very good to me, it's very inclusive
[18:31] <toddy> ubuntu-for-all is okay for me.
[18:31] <Deindre> do you want to use LGBT list for mailing list and Ubuntu for all as IRC channel?
[18:32] <Deindre> I think it could be confusing, but it seems useless open a new channel
[18:32] <koen_> I guess both should be the same, right?
[18:32] <ara> I would prefer to keep ubuntu-lgbt for both, but that's just a personal preference
[18:32] <Deindre> I think we should use the same name for both
[18:32] <toddy> that is not optimal if it has not the same name
[18:33] <Deindre> I think we could vote on ML which name is more suitable for the most of us
[18:34] <ara> sounds good
[18:34] <toddy> yes
[18:34] <ara> OK, I will send the options to the mailing list
[18:34] <Deindre> thank you ara
[18:35] <ara> #action ara to send a poll to the ML on whether to use ubuntu-lgtb (both ML and IRC channel) or ubuntu-for-allç
[18:35] <meetingology> ACTION: ara to send a poll to the ML on whether to use ubuntu-lgtb (both ML and IRC channel) or ubuntu-for-allç
[18:35] <ara> OK, let's move on
[18:35] <ara> #topic Intertech
[18:35] <ara> through a friend, I found this panel: http://www.intertechlgbt.com
[18:36] <ara> it is a bit UK centric, but I was wondering whether we should contact them to let them know we are around, in case we can collaborate or learn from them
[18:36] <Deindre> Moreover I'm a close friend of one of the most important LGBT activist in Italy. I would like to ask her tips to how to build our community
[18:36] <Deindre> what's your take on it?
[18:39] <ara> sounds good to me, any help is always welcome
[18:40] <koen_> definitely
[18:40] <toddy> yes
[18:41] <ara> what about intertech? do you think it could be helpful?
[18:41] <koen_> could we get any help from someone from the Ubuntu community/Canonical as well?
[18:42] <koen_> it seems that building a worldwide digital network is a whole different story from setting up a national & offline one
[18:42] <Deindre> I think intertech could be really useful
[18:42] <koen_> agree
[18:43] <toddy> yes, I agree, too. Maybe we can learn something from the intertechs.
[18:43] <koen_> btw, is this meeting logged (live) anywhere?
[18:44] <ara> koen_, once finished, it will have a link
[18:45] <ara> OK, I will contact intertech and see what they are about
[18:45] <koen_> ah, thanks ara
[18:46] <ara> and I can contact Jono's team as well if needed/wanted
[18:47] <ara> Anything else on this topic?
[18:48] <ara> OK
[18:48] <ara> #topic Any Other business
[18:49] <ara> Anything else we should be discussing today?
[18:49] <Deindre> I'm fine :)
[18:49] <toddy> I have nothing.
[18:49] <koen_> me neither
[18:49] <ara> Ok, let's wrap up, then
[18:49] <ara> #endmeeting
[18:49] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Nov  4 18:50:05 2013 UTC.
[18:49] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-for-all/2013/ubuntu-for-all.2013-11-04-18.04.moin.txt
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[18:50] <Deindre> thanks to all
[18:50] <toddy> yes, thanks
[18:50] <ara> thanks!