[05:23] <pitti> Good morning
[06:03] <jibel> Good morning
[09:14] <pitti> jibel: FYI, fixing the ubuntu-drivers-common autopkgtest now
[10:05] <jibel> pitti, I looked at python-csb, besides the test creates data in dist-package which is wrong, the main issue with the autopkgtest part is a python path order. But then the package requires scilab which is not installable. So I'll have a another look when this get fixed.
[10:05] <pitti> jibel: thanks
[10:59] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:09] <elfy> morning davmor2
[15:08] <elopio> good morning everybody.
[15:24] <balloons> morning elopio
[15:25] <elfy> hi balloons
[15:29] <balloons> hello elfy
[15:30] <elfy> good weekend I trust
[15:34] <balloons> elfy, yes, it's nice to get outside :-)
[15:36] <elfy> it is - though it was windy and wet here - so it was nice to stay indoors :p
[15:38] <balloons> heh.. we had a couple really nice days. Yesterday was the first "cooler" day here of the season.. we're in fall now
[15:38] <davmor2> morning elopio
[15:42] <elfy> balloons: yep it's definitely autumnal
[15:43] <alesage> pitti hi, a question about dbusmock--when setting a property on a battery, e.g., wouldn't we expect to be able to see those properties in d-feet?
[15:43] <pitti> alesage: FYI, "properties set on mocked batteries don't show up in d-feet"
[15:44] <pitti> alesage: known, as dbusmock doesn't generate introspection for properties ATM
[15:44] <pitti> alesage: (it's not actually that easy to do so)
[15:44] <alesage> pitti ok interesting, this 'introspection' is new to me
[15:45] <pitti> alesage: as for replacing the actual upower instance: sudo killall upowerd; sudo PYTHONPATH=. python3 -m dbusmock -t upower
[15:45] <pitti> (from trunk checkout)
[15:45] <pitti> alesage: you can leave out the PYTHONPATH for running from the installed package, of course
[15:45] <alesage> pitti right, I'm able to show that I think by killing and running those tests
[15:45] <pitti> alesage: more detailled answer will have to wait for tomorrow, I'm afraid
[15:45] <pitti> (i. e. reviewing your branch, etc.)
[15:46] <alesage> pitti, ok thanks--that gives me an opportunity to add more to review :)
[15:46] <pitti> alesage: but it's a bit unfriendly, and needs root privs, so better run the tests on a private bus
[15:46] <alesage> pitti, my theory is that I need to run as authentic to trick unity, what do you think?
[15:49] <pitti> alesage: if you can (re)start unity for the tests, running a private system bus should be fine
[15:49] <pitti> alesage: if you need to deal with an existing running instance, then not, indeed
[15:49] <alesage> pitti ok interesting, will follow up tomorrow thx :)
[15:52] <samgabbay> Greetings and salutations to all canonicallians and ubuntunians
[20:18] <Letozaf_> balloons, Hello :D
[20:19] <Letozaf_> balloons, just wanted to let you know that my adventure with ubiquity ended here: bug number 1247359  take a look at the screenshot I attached to the bug report
[20:19] <Letozaf_> bug 1247359
[20:19] <balloons> Letozaf_, hello
[20:20] <balloons> doug5, howdy howdy
[20:20] <balloons> Noskcaj, hello to you too :-)
[20:20] <Noskcaj> hey balloons
[20:21] <doug5> balloons, hello!
[20:21] <elopio> balloons: can you review here, please? https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/ubuntu-clock-app/qmlscene_launch/+merge/193842
[20:24] <balloons> elopio, oO.. is this the first?
[20:24] <elopio> balloons: first of what?
[20:25] <balloons> elopio,  I thought you had some others as well
[20:27] <doug5> balloons, how is it going?
[20:28] <balloons> doug5, excellent, yourself?
[20:29] <doug5> balloons, not too bad :)
[20:31] <doug5> balloons, going to make a coffe and then check the mp
[20:32] <balloons> doug5, perfect. I'm trying to find it in the list, haha
[20:32] <balloons> did you make the tweaks?
[20:33] <balloons> nvm, found it
[20:37] <TheLordOfTime> balloons: ping.
[20:37] <balloons> TheLordOfTime, pong
[20:38] <TheLordOfTime> balloons: RE: QA/BugSquad merger blueprint, I added a section for "Other Concerns" based on the last message to the mailing lists by AG Restringere.
[20:38] <TheLordOfTime> can you comment on that?  (RE: Bug Control and this merger, which was targeted for Bug Squad)
[20:39] <TheLordOfTime> because when you and I last spoke on it, the general idea I got was that Bug Control would be left alone in the merger, because of the separate application procedures and enhanced bug permission sets.
[20:40] <TheLordOfTime> also, forgive some... lagginess... in the messages I'm sending to IRC, my client's still sifting through its initial connection-sending buffer to the channels :/
[20:40] <elfy> that's what I'd assumed - conversation certainly appeared to be of the 'not touching those perms with a barge pole'
[20:40] <elfy> TheLordOfTime: ^^
[20:41] <TheLordOfTime> elfy: that was my assumption as well
[20:42] <TheLordOfTime> just want to confirm that.
[20:44] <elfy> yep
[20:45] <elopio> balloons: no, I haven't noticed that was a problem in the apps. Maybe I'll need more branches like this one.
[20:46] <TheLordOfTime> elfy: I did make a note of the distinction on the MLs to AG, so the only issue here is whether my assumptions were correct
[20:46] <TheLordOfTime> and I modified the blueprint for it adding an "Other Concerns" section where responses could be posted by the masters of the blueprint
[20:47] <elfy> I tend to glaze over with blueprints unless they are xubuntu ones :)
[20:48] <TheLordOfTime> heh
[20:49] <balloons> elfy, TheLordOfTime I saw the message today ,but have not digested it
[20:50] <Letozaf_> balloons, I ran ubuntu-rssreader-app autopilot tests on my PC and on the device, I have different failures in different parts of the tests
[20:50] <TheLordOfTime> balloons:  hehe, no problem, I was just confirming the information I gathered from the discussion you and I had shortly after the first message in the lists was sent :)
[20:50] <TheLordOfTime> that bugcontrol wouldn't be touched during the merger
[20:50] <Letozaf_> balloons, I must admit I am a bit confused :P
[20:51] <balloons> TheLordOfTime, yes, that's my thoughts, but its open to discussion @ vUDS certainly
[20:52] <balloons> Letozaf_, :-( different failures?
[20:53] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes, on my PC sometimes the toolbar behaves in a strange way making the test fail
[20:53] <Letozaf_> balloons, instead on the device this does not happen
[20:53] <balloons> Letozaf_, well, we should fix things like that
[20:54] <Letozaf_> balloons, is it better for me to wait for you guys to migrate to 1.4 or what?
[20:54] <TheLordOfTime> balloons: indeed, I've added to the blueprint about "Concerns" (separate than thoughts) but based on the general discussion, I was pretty certain that we were identifying Bug Squad and Bug Control as separate distinct entities in this.
[20:55] <TheLordOfTime> I think hggdh has a similar observation, but I would highly contest merging bugcontrol with qa, if only because the QA team doesn't necessarily have elevated bug permissions similar to Bug Control has (this same distinction applies to Bug Control vs. Bug Squad)
[20:55] <TheLordOfTime> (so far that discussion hasn't happened, but it's also not my call :P)
[20:56] <balloons> TheLordOfTime, excellent. Thanks for putting all that into the blueprint
[20:56] <balloons> good stuff
[20:56] <balloons> Letozaf_, the best scenario is the tests work well before the migration
[20:56] <balloons> so after you migrate you have a baseline to ensure it still works :-)
[20:56] <hggdh> balloons: hi
[20:57] <balloons> hggdh, hello
[20:57] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes but the toolbar strange behavior, how do I cope with that ?
[20:57] <hggdh> balloons: I have been unable to answer your proposal due to the lack of a working system. I can only access IRC via a convoluted setup, while I wait for the replacement laptop to arrive
[20:58] <hggdh> (a System76! YEAH!)
[20:58] <balloons> hggdh, funzies!
[20:58] <hggdh> balloons: but so that at least I have something said: I all all for the merge of bugsquad (hell, *I* suggested it to you ;-)
[20:59] <hggdh> for bugcontrol, I am not sure -- I think it should be left aside, at least for the moment, since it affects many more people than bugsquad
[21:00] <TheLordOfTime> +1 for hggdh's opinions
[21:00] <hggdh> er. "many more people" should be understood as "many more people with higher access, not necessarily dealing with QA"
[21:01] <TheLordOfTime> exactly my concern too.
[21:01] <hggdh> yeah, just reading the backlog now
[21:02] <elfy> TheLordOfTime: so where is this blueprint?
[21:02]  * elfy ought to look ... 
[21:03]  * hggdh goes AFK -- meeting
[21:05] <balloons> elfy, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-1311-quality-bugsquad
[21:08] <elfy> balloons: thanks
[21:15] <TheLordOfTime> sorry for not giving it to ya, elfy, I was distracted by other things
[21:15] <TheLordOfTime> namely responding to AG on the bugsquad list
[21:16] <TheLordOfTime> speaking of which, hggdh, when you get a chance, I'd like your input on his suggestions on the bugsquad ML.
[21:16] <TheLordOfTime> no rush though, I made my concerns noted.
[21:21]  * Letozaf_ is rebooting PC
[21:39] <balloons> doug5, did you see victor's response?
[21:39] <doug5> balloons, yep, working on it
[21:39] <knome> balloons, allö
[21:39] <balloons> knome, allo
[21:40] <knome> balloons, starting to have the plans for QA ready soon?
[21:40] <balloons> knome, what do you mean?
[21:40] <knome> objectives for 14.04
[21:41] <knome> and how's the team merging goin on?
[21:41] <knome> *going too
[21:42] <balloons> knome, ohh.. indeed, there's a blueprint for vUDS
[21:42] <balloons> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-1311-quality-bugsquad
[21:43] <balloons> I sent back a mail reply.. perhaps I should make a thread just for this
[21:43] <balloons> elfy didn't see it either and he sees everything
[21:45] <balloons> i'll just add it to the general psa on blueprints
[21:46] <knome> mhm
[21:47] <knome> i'm not following -quality or -bugs or anything like that
[21:47] <knome> :P
[21:59] <doug5> balloons, ok, patch is done, I will finalize it tomorrow
[21:59] <balloons> doug5, sounds like working ?
[22:00] <doug5> balloons, yeah, a little bit tricky though. Actually, I can push it right now so you can have a look
[22:00] <balloons> ohh cool