=== LarrySteeze is now known as LarrySteeze|Away === LarrySteeze|Away is now known as LarrySteeze === duflu_ is now known as duflu [04:21] Morning all [05:03] Just installed ubuntu touch...... Any way to install software on the device... I have rooted on, however apt-get resulted in a read only file system error [05:07] jgw2001: You can install click apps through the main interface. [05:08] jgw2001: To use apt-get, you'll need to enable a writable rootfs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes#Accessing_the_system_for_development [05:08] Thank you, does ubuntu touch use X? [05:12] NO [05:12] Ahem: no. [05:12] jgw2001: No ubuntu-touch doesn't use X. It uses Mir+Unity8.... P.S. To make the filesystem writable for updates: mount -o remount,rw / [05:13] I have heard Mir has a X layer, is this correct [05:13] Not really, no. [05:13] jgdx, there is a translation layer to support X apps called xmir [05:13] sorry that was to jgw2001 [05:14] It's not really a translation layer, at least at the moment; it's just the X server :) [05:14] Really? Interesting. [05:14] Is is possible to run xmir on ubuntu touch? [05:15] RAOF: I assume it will be a translation layer of sorts in the future though, right? I'm surprised it would even presently be the X server [05:15] jgw2001: No, not at the moment. [05:16] I installed Ubuntu Touch on a phone. I keep watching to see if there is a new OS update, in hopes of improving stability and seeing what other features are fleshed out more. I have the 13.10 released version installed. Should I expect to see an update now and then, or should I expect to see no updates until 14.04? Maybe I would only see OS updates if I am using a bleeding-edge developmental install? [05:16] mark```: It'll be the X server, plus an X compositing manager/wm component in unity8 to bridge the window management bits. [05:16] just installing the Xserver now onto the phone, and close down Mir [05:17] RAOF: Okay thx for the info; I'll need to read more about that. === jiffy_ is now known as Guest8805 === Andro|AFK is now known as cranbaisin [05:58] Does mobile data work on Ubuntu 13.10 ? Any pointers on configuring it? Thanks! [06:02] Guest8805: Yes; I don't believe it requires any configuration. === cranbaisin is now known as Andro|AFK [06:21] Is the nexus7 able to do hardware video decoding with videos yet? Curious if any of that has changed [06:21] Been wanting to update my device to see if it can as well, but thought I would wait on the Nexus7 [06:22] I figure if the Nexus7 cannot, then I cannot [06:22] figure that may be a hybris\gstreamer thing [06:23] Wonder if UT has test_egl and test_glesv2 [06:50] any ideas on troubleshooting adb on my ubuntu touch port to my phone? i do see this in the dmesg "init: cannot find '/sbin/adbd', disabling 'adbd' " [06:51] adb devices shows nothing [06:51] lsusb does show my phone is connected and it works if I reboot into recovery where I can pull the logs [06:53] You guys know the difference between the eabi and gcnu\linux toolchains? [06:53] =) I have never asked this question [06:53] I use arm-eabi on my 10.1 android kernel [06:54] and I use 4.3.3 for the mer kernel make -j4 ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=~/Downloads/test4/android-ndk-r7/toolchains/arm-linux-androideabi-4.4.3/prebuilt/linux-x86/bin/arm-linux-androideabi- oldconfig [06:54] yeah... so in both I use eabi [06:54] but... why..... [06:57] http://www.kunen.org/uC/gnu_tool.html okay [06:58] I tried the 4.3.3 toolchain a couple of days ago with my android kernel.. same.. it must be something... wonder what happens if I remove the ramdisk from my android kernel and just boot it.. wonder if it still outputs a uart debug [06:58] if it doesn't.. then perhaps that is my problem... [06:59] ramdisk and or root filesystem [06:59] I should try to reproduce this in android.. try to get it to not output debug by ripping away the initramfs and filesystems.. [06:59] see if it still outputs to my prolific [07:00] I hope it does not [07:00] if it does then I am going with the toolchain theory.. but that doesn't make sense to me at all [07:01] or maybe it takes a bit for usb to enable.. for some reason and will not output anything except the headphone jack [07:02] naaa [07:06] oh krap.. wrong room! [07:06] lol my bad [07:24] 51708 [07:25] Derp, wrong window === iahmad is now known as iahmad|afk [08:09] morning [08:09] Morning! [09:04] :wq [09:18] zsombi: tmoenicke: good morning. do you have news on bug #1243164 [09:18] bug 1243164 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "TextArea generates onTextChanged events when OSK is displayed or screen is rotated" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1243164 [09:18] ? === fmasi_afk is now known as fmasi [09:46] nerochiaro: couldn't reproduce it. I asked gusch for help [09:52] Good morning all; happy Use Your Common Sense Day! :-D [10:08] xnox, soo, i just had an evil idea for the emulator ... [10:12] ogra_, any news on what was discussed regarding x86 images at the sprint? [10:21] janimo`, nope, havent heard much from any sprint people yet === gugaua_ is now known as gugaua [10:22] ogra_, but was it discussed at all? Do you know if there's someone else I should ping? I need to do some work around that so I'd rather know the current status :) [10:23] there is no status ... [10:23] thats the status :) [10:23] all i know is that is was on the agenda [10:24] people flew back yesterday and i havent seen one around who was involved with that [10:24] s/is/it/ [10:25] ogra_, ok thanks [10:28] is anyone working on touch for the Samsung S4 LTE i9505? or is there something more general to work on before looking at a specific device? [10:40] ogra_, the link you replied with does also seem to be day-based not image number based. I know I have checked that link before and concluded it is more or less the same as jibel [10:47] janimo`, ?? [10:47] janimo`, thats the changelog for current vs current === _salem is now known as salem_ [10:47] janimo`, one level up there are the day based ones [10:48] ogra_, no easy way to find changes introduced in build 5 unless you know when it was released [10:48] ogra_, I was thinking of something like. trusty_build5.html, trusty_build6.html etc [10:48] janimo`, well, i cant know which image became which number, i can only compare the cdimage manifests [10:49] you have to check that yourself on the dashboard, thats the reason why it shows all three version numbers [10:49] ogra_, oh so it is not deterministic? That is why I asked in the mail how hard would it be :) [10:49] (system image, rootfs and android) [10:50] the final image consists of three pieces, the rootfs image is only one [10:50] http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/trusty/touch/ [10:50] there you have the version triplet [10:50] didrocks, hi, I see mako and maguro mentioned in your email. Is grouper continuously tested against as well? [10:51] janimo`: we don't really look at the results until someone fixes Mir running properly on it [10:51] i could try to look it up from there, but that would massively delay changelog generation, risking that the manifest of the last promoted image is gone already [10:51] ogra_, what could it takes hours? [10:52] janimo`, yes, the dashboard takes a while to be populated ... its not the time it takes, it is what happens inbetween on cdimage [10:52] waiting for the dashboard potentially adds massive races because cdimage changed inbetween [10:59] Morning all [10:59] ogra_, I think we can match the version timestamp with the build id from index.json on system-image.u.c . That's more gym but doable [10:59] jibel, hmm, yeah, that might be possible [11:00] jibel, that wont work after the code was integrated into cdimage though [11:00] which is the master plan ... [11:00] so we will still need something that post-processes the renaming [11:02] I need some help [11:02] anyone knows how to switch from saucy channel to trusty on the Ubuntu touch? [11:04] lapor: system-image-cli --channel trusty -b 0 [11:04] Thanks [11:04] will try now [11:05] yw [11:07] I did this, but I still cannot upgrade the system [11:07] and I check it out the changelog....there is a new version of the system [11:07] http://people.canonical.com/~j-lallement/touch/changes/ [11:09] oSoMoN: is there a way to convert a deb to a click package ? I want to test on the phone what jenkins builds from a MR [11:09] lapor: what happened when you ran that command? [11:09] nothing [11:10] it stops for a bit [11:10] and then it writesphablet@ubunut-phablet:~$ [11:10] ogra_: on your maguro did you happen to see a lot of random hangs with image 10? [11:10] nerochiaro, not that I know of, but Sergio would know more [11:10] davmor2, nope [11:11] davmor2, but i didnt constantly use it either ... only a few hours [11:11] oSoMoN: ok, i'll ask him when he comes up [11:11] ogra_: I didn't only on and off and most the g+ webapp [11:14] Somebody was trying to install Ubuntu Touch on Note 2 but has got this error http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=47076037&postcount=122 [11:15] Any help will be appreciated for us(note 2 users) [11:16] OttOmanTR, make sure your pulled in stuff does not try to build anything in APPS ... [11:17] OttOmanTR, most likely you need to drop "CyanogenMod/android_packages_apps_SamsungServiceMode" [11:18] I'm posting your suggestion along with my suggestion to him to come here [11:18] well, better contact who ever maintains the port [11:18] !devices [11:18] You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices [11:19] a contact address via the launchpad profile of that person should be linked at that wiki page ^^^ [11:25] I'm so sad to see that Conanical abondoned official Ubuntu-touch phone. I was long waiting for it. [11:26] canonical* [11:27] Google has been bringing more crap with every new Android updates to avoid rooting [11:28] OttOmanTR, not entirely sure what you mean by abandoned? [11:29] tvoss: I think he is referring to the Ubuntu Edge? [11:29] after that crowd funding, didn't they cancelled it? [11:29] yes [11:29] edge [11:29] it didnt succeed [11:29] OttOmanTR: well it did not succeed in the crowd funding [11:29] there will be official phones with ubuntu [11:29] OttOmanTR, sure, it didn't succeed, but we are still working on ubuntu for phones [11:30] just not the ubuntu edge [11:30] But I was looking forward to buy it [11:30] we all were :) [11:30] but 32mio in 30 days were a tough target [11:31] almost impossible [11:31] they kept it too high [11:31] no, it was the price [11:32] it might have possibly succeeded with a 60 day setup ... who knows ... but the 32mio were simply the price it costed to build it ... there was no revenue in the margin [11:36] Canonical is getting something wrong. Manifacturers don't like the idea of open source OSes. Because they want to sell the new version of OS updates with only new products. [11:37] But Canonical is till waiting manufacturers to knock their doors, which is not going to happen [11:38] OttOmanTR: I wouldn't presume to guess what we're doing. [11:38] (or indeed not doing) :D [11:42] popey: Long time passed but still no sign of official Ubuntu Touch phone :( I don't want to buy a nexus device to install Ubuntu Touch. I want something official. [11:42] it takes a long time [11:42] patience [11:43] ogra_: what's the evil idea? [11:45] Hi all, do i have to reflash to jump onto a trusty image or is there anyway of updating on the device? [11:45] xnox, we could use a qemu-user-static chroot for the system and only use the emulator wrapped around the lxc container [11:46] ahayzen, if yiou are on a system image install already you can upgrade via terminal/adb ... [11:46] ahayzen, system-image-cli -c trusty -b 0 [11:46] ahayzen: system-image-cli --channel trusty -b 0 [11:46] damnit ☻ [11:46] hehe [11:46] haha thanks guys [11:47] ogra_: you cannot wrap emulator around the lxc container, as you need to boot android kernel to provide the hardwarez devices. [11:47] hmm [11:48] ogra_: and e.g. to get "adb" into ubuntu, we also need the android booted kernel [11:48] ah, crap, indeed [11:48] damned, i thought i was clever [11:48] ogra_: you can use lxc containers on the booted phone however...... to nest ubuntu touch installs [11:48] ogra_: cause it's the right sort of kernel. [11:49] yeah that doesnt help the emulator slowness though [11:49] * ogra_ is looking for ways to make it usable :) [11:49] ogra_: virtualbox x86 images are suppose to be fast with accelerated host KVM. But then we will be testing x86 binaries and not ARM ones =/ [11:49] right [11:50] ogra_: well making it display orange & purple is also a priority =) [11:50] that wont a) help much and b) likely be even more work to get an x86 android working [11:50] (one that just works in qemu) [11:50] * xnox ponders what's wrong with black, it was fine with ford selling only black cars. [11:50] xnox, do you know how much work would it be to have an x86 emulator working? [11:51] xnox, x86 goldfish equivalent I mean [11:51] janimo`, well is there android code ? [11:51] * ogra_ doubts it [11:51] the x86 android code thats there will likely be device specific [11:51] nothing for a qemu machine [11:52] janimo`: at the moment, qt5 assumes full GL on x86, on armhf we use GLES. And pleanty of ubuntu-touch meta-packages at the moment do "touch/android" specific in armhf builds, which is not done on x86/amd64 builds. [11:52] unless you imple,ment the arch it uses in qemu [11:53] janimo`: so all of that needs fixed, then enablements of x86 emulator, which will also take time. And major breakage of normal desktop along the way, in all places we didn't think both components are used in $touch and $desktop ways. [11:53] ogra_, there is virtualbox target even in AOSP [11:53] (x86 phones arent much different from arm ones ... they are SoCs as well ... not PCs) [11:53] janimo`, oh, i didnt know that ! [11:53] ogra_: well intel atom 32bit only. [11:53] xnox, still ... no BIOS ... [11:54] xnox, I completely forgot about Qt assuming GL on x86. I was hoping that somehow got more configurable lately [11:54] So any of you try Ubuntu for the phone? How it stack up againt Android ? [11:55] tarelerulz, ubuntu touch 1.0 is a lot better than android 1.0 was [11:55] I would hope so , They have something to look at and say don't do that. [11:55] (IMHO) [11:56] janimo`: we have a session to figure out Qt flexibility. As even platform plugins might be needed different : eg. one set on touch, desktop, KDE. And by the looks of things at the moment qt only supports one type of build (e.g. gles+mir, gl+weyland, gl+mir, etc...) [11:56] comparing touch 1.0 with android 4.x wouldnt be fair though [11:56] touch is only 6 months old yet [11:56] xnox, VUDS session? [11:56] * ogra_ uses it fine as a daily phone [11:56] janimo`: and we really, really do not want to explode and have multiple sets of qt. it's a security & packaging & support nightmare [11:56] janimo`: yeah vUDS session about Qt. [11:56] xnox, I agree [11:57] What does touch have that Android don't? That is what I'm asking. I thought about picking up rom/ what ever its called . [11:57] it is a completely different concept .. and a true linux [11:58] try it and judge yourself :) === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:58] I would do just that ,but I have yet to see install ways for note 3. I'm not trying to be mean , just asking [11:59] oh, well, the ports are all behind ... [11:59] and tablets arent so well supported yet [11:59] I was hoping blackberry would do better then it did [11:59] to get the full experience you should use a nexus 4 [11:59] which is the device we focused on for 1.0 [12:00] I wish I had one, I would be all over that [12:01] ogra you try touch? [12:01] i use it daily yes [12:01] as my main phone [12:02] What do you do with your phone? === Namidairo`bnc is now known as Namidairo [12:03] browsing, readind news and ebooks making calls and sening messages [12:04] i'm missing email (cant get along with gmail's mobile app) .... but that will come soon [12:04] how much can you put into the contacts? Does they support , pictures he res [12:05] you can import google contacts ... [12:05] no idea how many, i have a few 100 [12:05] I have only 22 [12:08] What contract format does it support? If it can have pictures , email , cell number and acting linked to program so you could do it from the contracts , I would say wow [12:12] tarelerulz, http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/gallery.php (beware,, thats having a *lot* of screenshots) [12:14] * ogra_ doesnt see a specific contacts app shot ... but http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2013-10-16-095932.png should give you an idea [12:14] if all you ever wanted was to phone me, sure ㋛ [12:15] hah [12:16] thanks , for the pictures [12:17] You should make one for the note 3. 5.7 inch screen is great. [12:21] With texting does it support , pictures , audio , video , Those :) or it just text [12:23] only SMS currently, MMS is in the works though [12:25] That's good , Basic phone function is what is need in a mobile os. We all text , call , take pictures , Maybe video , listen to much , surf the web [12:26] xnox, http://releases.linaro.org/12.10/android/vexpress [12:27] xnox, vexpress support in the in-archive qemu is pretty good [12:27] (not sure how hard it would be to get it into our android tree though) [12:28] ogra , Do you have flash installed? [12:28] nope [12:29] Does the camera work for picture and maybe video? [12:29] picture yes, but we disabled video due to a bug [12:29] expect that to be re-enabled at some point [12:32] How about GPS functions? Say you used Google's online map , would you see where you are === soul is now known as Guest29599 [12:33] GPS works but we don't have AGPS yet [12:33] so getting a lock needs you to go outdoors and wait [12:33] because in general GPS in nexus devices sucks [12:33] so getting your first sttelite fix takes very long [12:34] You have to go out side even with that, It seems [12:34] yes [12:34] Do you get 4g / 3g ? [12:35] * ogra_ only has a 3G provider here ... [12:35] 4G might work, no idea :) [12:35] I get t-mobile's lte [12:36] I say 4g I wonder most the time if its really 4g. [12:36] Hi, anyone know how the grilo plugin works for the music-app works? I seem to be getting duplicate records in the model. === Ursinha_ is now known as Ursinha [12:38] ogra_: https://wiki.linaro.org/KenWerner/Sandbox/AndroidQEMU looks decent. [12:39] xnox, though it seems to use software rendering [12:40] might be a small challenge for our Mir team to get that going :) [12:41] but it might be at least a better base than goldfish, vexpress surely has more to offer power wise [12:41] boiko: ah, thanks for approving the dialer-app tests :) [12:41] boiko: one down, one to go [12:47] pitti: no problems, I'm glad it is passing now :) === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:56] ha i m sudo [12:56] hello [12:56] [12:57] great let's see if this works then "sudo make me a sandwich" [12:57] y [12:57] ???? [12:57] davmor2: password: [12:58] sudo sudo [12:58] hello sudo, can we help you? [12:58] popey: ********** [12:58] ahh hunter2 [12:58] haha [12:58] popey < how can we install ubuntu on mobile [12:58] sudo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install [12:59] sudo: hi! [13:00] sudo: why are you sending me a private message? [13:02] r u work on ubuntu company [13:02] sudo: yes, a bunch of us here work on ubuntu [13:03] ha wht qulification are required to work with ubuntu [13:03] None! :D [13:03] Just be awesome. [13:03] means [13:04] Step 1: be awesome. Step 2: ?????. Step 3: UBUNTU [13:04] wht i learn to part of ubuntu [13:04] sudo: I'm finding it slightly difficult understanding your question. [13:04] sudo: please do not send me private messages. === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:05] i wana say wht i do learn to becam part of ubuntu [13:05] sudo: http://community.ubuntu.com/contribute/ [13:06] tnxs [13:20] * rickspencer3 hits Install & Restart === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [13:21] enjoy [13:24] thanks ogra_ :) [13:24] :) [13:31] hi [13:31] hi [13:33] mandel_, hey, if the download manger just gives me network_err all the time; is there a path to fix that? Or where are the logs? [13:34] sergiusens, are this errors when the u-d-m is running as a system dbus service (only used in the updates atm) or as a session bus service? [13:34] sergiusens, in the first case, syslog, in the second case look under $XDG_CACHE/ubuntu-download-manager [13:35] mandel_, app updates, so I'm guessing session bus; system updates work fine [13:35] thanks [13:35] sergiusens, then the second option :) [13:35] sergiusens, I'm working on improving reporting with those errors, hopefully I'll be able to get something decent to be used with T === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [13:36] mandel_, the log is in /home/phablet/.cache/ubuntu-download-manager/ubuntu-download-manager [13:36] sergiusens, AFAIK yes, it should be there [13:36] mandel_, just pointing out the nesting (two ubuntu-download-manager-dirs) [13:37] sergiusens, and yes, that is fixed in trunk [13:37] mandel_, dandy [13:37] sergiusens, turns out that QStandarPaths adds that extra ubuntu-download-manager and I had no idea :-/ [13:38] mandel_, yup; it's contained for you :-) [13:39] sergiusens, I might write a small app that can be used to track the states of the downloads for developers (in my free time) once I move downloads to use QStateMachine so that we can have a nicer debugging for this [13:39] mandel_, I'm getting a 204 :-/ [13:39] sergiusens, but.. I'm a little slower in new feature because, well if u-d-m stops working we are in a horrible state [13:40] mandel_, I'm getting a 204 :-/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/6358809/ [13:40] sergiusens, 204? sounds like a server side issue... let me take a look [13:41] mandel_, 'no content' [13:41] JamesTait, ping [13:42] sergiusens, lets ask james, he works on the server side, he might know more.. or maybe beuno [13:42] mandel_, btw, nothing bad will happen if I wipe ~/.local/share/ubuntu-download-manager, right? [13:42] sergiusens, no, nothing bad will happen [13:42] sergiusens, why? [13:43] great; just goiong to wipe it; the log says it can't remove the file either [13:43] sergiusens, uh.. funny [13:43] mandel_, ownership is phablet though [13:43] sergiusens, if you find that as a problem, please report a bug on how you got to that state, first time I hear about it === gusch is now known as gusch|away [13:48] mandel_, otp, but fire away. [13:50] JamesTait, I just about to go for lunch but sergiusens is getting a 204 trying to get an app http://paste.ubuntu.com/6358809/ [13:51] JamesTait, cany idea of how can that happen or why? [13:51] JamesTait, no rush btw [13:51] mandel_, sergiusens is this from the OAuth-signed GET request to public.apps...? [13:52] JamesTait, the url should be ouath signed since it is done via the update manager [13:52] JamesTait, you can see the url in the pastebin I gave you [13:52] * mandel_ lunch [13:53] * JamesTait looks [13:57] Hm, working for me currently, let me dig in the code and see if I can see where a 204 might come from. === rachelliu_ is now known as rachelliu === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g === Namidairo is now known as Namidairo`bnc [14:21] Hey, I'm back :) [14:21] is there a way to check it out on which channel I am on Ubuntu touch? [14:22] system-image-cli -i [14:24] and my version is 100 [14:24] how can I upgrade it [14:24] it doesn't say which channel is [14:25] channel is devel [14:26] but how do I know if it is Trusty or not? [14:26] fginther, didrocks: hmm, seems https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/dialer-app/maguro-tests/+merge/193774 didn't run tests on maguro any more? intended, or bug? [14:26] It cannot find any updates [14:26] lapor: 100 will be saucy, trusty is on 10 now [14:26] so I still didn't cgange the channel :( [14:27] lapor: sudo system-image-cli -c trusty -b 10 [14:27] pitti, that's not intentionalll [14:27] I wrote sudo system-image-cli --channel trusty -b 0 [14:27] ok [14:27] pitti, investigating... [14:27] I'll try this now [14:27] :) [14:27] if that doesn't work then it may be a bug [14:28] stgraber: can you see any reason why " sudo system-image-cli --channel trusty -b 0" on device won't update from saucy to trusty? [14:29] popey, if the devel alias points to trusty it shuld upgrade automatically afaik [14:29] popey: sudo system-image-cli --channel trusty-devel -b 0 -v is the command I used [14:29] interesting [14:29] popey, we still dont point devel to trusty ... asac insisted that we need to have a gree image forst [14:29] lapor: see above [14:29] at least I think it was let me double check [14:29] *first [14:30] ogra_: gree images is that like green around 95% passes? [14:31] davmor2, pass rate must be better or equal to image 100 [14:31] sadly all the community core apps always break and trash the results :? [14:31] :/ [14:31] (image #10 was pretty close) [14:32] ogra_: I read that as better or equal to 100 (thinking %) and wondered how you got more than 100% :) [14:32] thats a bit unfair ogra_ [14:33] http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/trusty/touch/mako/11:20131104:20131031.1/4885/ubuntu-filemanager-app-autopilot/508494/ [14:33] popey, dont shoot the messenger :) [14:33] I'll try this one [14:33] error: device not found [14:33] how is that remotely the app fault? [14:33] error: device not found [14:33] awk: fatal: division by zero attempted [14:33] popey, ah, that would mean that plars needs to give back the test to run again [14:33] http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/trusty/touch/mako/11:20131104:20131031.1/4885/ubuntu-filemanager-app-autopilot/508497/ [14:34] some of these are infra issues, blaming "all the community core apps" is not fair at all. [14:34] popey, which he usually does when checking the tests, dont judge the image before all tests are done ;) [14:34] dont just the apps before the tests are done ㋛ [14:34] popey, look at #10 ... [14:34] *judge [14:34] 11 is in the middle of running ... [14:35] way better [14:35] things are being given back etc ... [14:37] popey: I'll take a look at filemanager in just a moment [14:40] I got FileNotFoundError [Errno 2] [14:42] I tried the last one commant and got this error message [14:43] how are you trying it ? via adb or in the terminal app ? [14:43] terminal app [14:43] should i try it via adb? [14:44] hmm, no, it should work either way [14:45] I'll try again [14:45] this is what I get [14:45] ogra_, plars popey the filemanager does need a couple of fixes; but with the ap1.4 migration happening I wouldn't touch it until that happens [14:45] yeah [14:45] indeed [14:46] rss reader and notes also always have failures [14:46] and weather does randomly [14:46] ogra_, plars popey I still wonder how the apps are supposed to be tested on saucy since they are framework 13.10 and on trusty at the same time without going into r/w [14:46] FileNotFounfError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/tmp/system-image-47oyyd/channel.json' [14:46] This is what I get [14:47] This are the last lines [14:47]