[04:21] <OrokuSaki> Morning all
[05:03] <jgw2001> Just installed ubuntu touch...... Any way to install software on the device... I have rooted on, however apt-get resulted in a read only file system error
[05:07] <RAOF> jgw2001: You can install click apps through the main interface.
[05:08] <RAOF> jgw2001: To use apt-get, you'll need to enable a writable rootfs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes#Accessing_the_system_for_development
[05:08] <jgw2001> Thank you, does ubuntu touch use X?
[05:12] <RAOF> NO
[05:12] <RAOF> Ahem: no.
[05:12] <duflu> jgw2001: No ubuntu-touch doesn't use X. It uses Mir+Unity8.... P.S. To make the filesystem writable for updates: mount -o remount,rw /
[05:13] <jgw2001> I have heard Mir has a X layer, is this correct
[05:13] <RAOF> Not really, no.
[05:13] <mark```> jgdx, there is a translation layer to support X apps called xmir
[05:13] <mark```> sorry that was to jgw2001
[05:14] <RAOF> It's not really a translation layer, at least at the moment; it's just the X server :)
[05:14] <mark```> Really? Interesting.
[05:14] <jgw2001> Is is possible to run xmir on ubuntu touch?
[05:15] <mark```> RAOF: I assume it will be a translation layer of sorts in the future though, right? I'm surprised it would even presently be the X server
[05:15] <RAOF> jgw2001: No, not at the moment.
[05:16] <mark```> I installed Ubuntu Touch on a phone. I keep watching to see if there is a new OS update, in hopes of improving stability and seeing what other features are fleshed out more. I have the 13.10 released version installed. Should I expect to see an update now and then, or should I expect to see no updates until 14.04? Maybe I would only see OS updates if I am using a bleeding-edge developmental install?
[05:16] <RAOF> mark```: It'll be the X server, plus an X compositing manager/wm component in unity8 to bridge the window management bits.
[05:16] <jgw2001> just installing the Xserver now onto the phone, and close down Mir
[05:17] <mark```> RAOF: Okay thx for the info; I'll need to read more about that.
[05:58] <Guest8805> Does mobile data work on Ubuntu 13.10 ?  Any pointers on configuring it?   Thanks!
[06:02] <RAOF> Guest8805: Yes; I don't believe it requires any configuration.
[06:21] <OrokuSaki> Is the nexus7 able to do hardware video decoding with videos yet? Curious if any of that has changed
[06:21] <OrokuSaki> Been wanting to update my device to see if it can as well, but thought I would wait on the Nexus7
[06:22] <OrokuSaki> I figure if the Nexus7 cannot, then I cannot
[06:22] <OrokuSaki> figure that may be a hybris\gstreamer thing
[06:23] <OrokuSaki> Wonder if UT has test_egl and test_glesv2
[06:50] <GPFerror> any ideas on troubleshooting adb on my ubuntu touch port to my phone? i do see this in the dmesg "init: cannot find '/sbin/adbd', disabling 'adbd' "
[06:51] <GPFerror> adb devices shows nothing
[06:51] <GPFerror> lsusb does show my phone is connected and it works if I reboot into recovery where I can pull the logs
[06:53] <OrokuSaki> You guys know the difference between the eabi and gcnu\linux toolchains?
[06:53] <OrokuSaki> =) I have never asked this question
[06:53] <OrokuSaki> I use arm-eabi on my 10.1 android kernel
[06:54] <OrokuSaki> and I use 4.3.3 for the mer kernel make -j4 ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=~/Downloads/test4/android-ndk-r7/toolchains/arm-linux-androideabi-4.4.3/prebuilt/linux-x86/bin/arm-linux-androideabi- oldconfig
[06:54] <OrokuSaki> yeah... so in both I use eabi
[06:54] <OrokuSaki> but... why.....
[06:57] <OrokuSaki> http://www.kunen.org/uC/gnu_tool.html okay
[06:58] <OrokuSaki> I tried the 4.3.3 toolchain a couple of days ago with my android kernel.. same.. it must be something... wonder what happens if I remove the ramdisk from my android kernel and just boot it.. wonder if it still outputs a uart debug
[06:58] <OrokuSaki> if it doesn't.. then perhaps that is my problem...
[06:59] <OrokuSaki> ramdisk and or root filesystem
[06:59] <OrokuSaki> I should try to reproduce this in android.. try to get it to not output debug by ripping away the initramfs and filesystems..
[06:59] <OrokuSaki> see if it still outputs to my prolific
[07:00] <OrokuSaki> I hope it does not
[07:00] <OrokuSaki> if it does then I am going with the toolchain theory.. but that doesn't make sense to me at all
[07:01] <OrokuSaki> or maybe it takes a bit for usb to enable.. for some reason and will not output anything except the headphone jack
[07:02] <OrokuSaki> naaa
[07:06] <OrokuSaki> oh krap.. wrong room!
[07:06] <OrokuSaki> lol my bad
[07:24] <RedPandaFox> 51708
[07:25] <RedPandaFox> Derp, wrong window
[08:09] <lool> morning
[08:09] <sil2100> Morning!
[09:04] <janimo`> :wq
[09:18] <nerochiaro> zsombi: tmoenicke: good morning. do you have news on bug #1243164
[09:18] <nerochiaro> ?
[09:46] <tmoenicke> nerochiaro: couldn't reproduce it. I asked gusch for help
[09:52] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Use Your Common Sense Day! :-D
[10:08] <ogra_> xnox, soo, i just had an evil idea for the emulator ...
[10:12] <janimo`> ogra_, any news on what was discussed regarding x86 images at the sprint?
[10:21] <ogra_> janimo`, nope, havent heard much from any sprint people yet
[10:22] <janimo`> ogra_, but was it discussed at all? Do you know if there's someone else I should ping? I need to do some work around that so I'd rather know the current status :)
[10:23] <ogra_> there is no status ...
[10:23] <ogra_> thats the status :)
[10:23] <ogra_> all i know is that is was on the agenda
[10:24] <ogra_> people flew back yesterday and i havent seen one around who was involved with that
[10:24] <ogra_> s/is/it/
[10:25] <janimo`> ogra_, ok thanks
[10:28] <jgb> is anyone working on touch for the Samsung S4 LTE i9505? or is there something more general to work on before looking at a specific device?
[10:40] <janimo`> ogra_, the link you replied with does also seem to be day-based not image number based. I know I have checked that link before and concluded it is more or less the same as jibel
[10:47] <ogra_> janimo`, ??
[10:47] <ogra_> janimo`, thats the changelog for current vs current
[10:47] <ogra_> janimo`, one level up there are the day based ones
[10:48] <janimo`> ogra_, no easy way to find changes introduced in build 5 unless you know when it was released
[10:48] <janimo`> ogra_, I was thinking of something like. trusty_build5.html, trusty_build6.html etc
[10:48] <ogra_> janimo`, well, i cant know which image became which number, i can only compare the cdimage manifests
[10:49] <ogra_> you have to check that yourself on the dashboard, thats the reason why it shows all three version numbers
[10:49] <janimo`> ogra_, oh so it is not deterministic? That is why I asked in the mail how hard would it be :)
[10:49] <ogra_> (system image, rootfs and android)
[10:50] <ogra_> the final image consists of three pieces, the rootfs image is only one
[10:50] <ogra_> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/trusty/touch/
[10:50] <ogra_> there you have the version triplet
[10:50] <janimo`> didrocks, hi, I see mako and maguro mentioned in your email. Is grouper continuously tested against as well?
[10:51] <didrocks> janimo`: we don't really look at the results until someone fixes Mir running properly on it
[10:51] <ogra_> i could try to look it up from there, but that would massively delay changelog generation, risking that the manifest of the last promoted image is gone already
[10:51] <janimo`> ogra_, what could it takes hours?
[10:52] <ogra_> janimo`, yes, the dashboard takes a while to be populated ... its not the time it takes, it is what happens inbetween on cdimage
[10:52] <ogra_> waiting for the dashboard potentially adds massive races because cdimage changed inbetween
[10:59] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:59] <jibel> ogra_, I think we can match the version timestamp with the build id from index.json on system-image.u.c . That's more gym but doable
[10:59] <ogra_> jibel, hmm, yeah, that might be possible
[11:00] <ogra_> jibel, that wont work after the code was integrated into cdimage though
[11:00] <ogra_> which is the master plan ...
[11:00] <ogra_> so we will still need something that post-processes the renaming
[11:02] <lapor> I need some help
[11:02] <lapor> anyone knows how to switch from saucy channel to trusty on the Ubuntu touch?
[11:04] <didrocks> lapor: system-image-cli --channel trusty -b 0
[11:04] <lapor> Thanks
[11:04] <lapor> will try now
[11:05] <didrocks> yw
[11:07] <lapor> I did this, but I still cannot upgrade the system
[11:07] <lapor> and I check it out the changelog....there is a new version of the system
[11:07] <lapor> http://people.canonical.com/~j-lallement/touch/changes/
[11:09] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: is there a way to convert a deb to a click package ? I want to test on the phone what jenkins builds from a MR
[11:09] <popey> lapor: what happened when you ran that command?
[11:09] <lapor> nothing
[11:10] <lapor> it stops for a bit
[11:10] <lapor> and then it writesphablet@ubunut-phablet:~$
[11:10] <davmor2> ogra_: on your maguro did you happen to see a lot of random hangs with image 10?
[11:10] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, not that I know of, but Sergio would know more
[11:10] <ogra_> davmor2, nope
[11:11] <ogra_> davmor2, but i didnt constantly use it either ... only a few hours
[11:11] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: ok, i'll ask him when he comes up
[11:11] <davmor2> ogra_: I didn't only on and off and most the g+ webapp
[11:14] <OttOmanTR> Somebody was trying to install Ubuntu Touch on Note 2 but has got this error http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=47076037&postcount=122
[11:15] <OttOmanTR> Any help will be appreciated for us(note 2 users)
[11:16] <ogra_> OttOmanTR, make sure your pulled in stuff does not try to build anything in APPS ...
[11:17] <ogra_> OttOmanTR, most likely you need to drop "CyanogenMod/android_packages_apps_SamsungServiceMode"
[11:18] <OttOmanTR> I'm posting your suggestion along with my suggestion to him to come here
[11:18] <ogra_> well, better contact who ever maintains the port
[11:18] <ogra_> !devices
[11:19] <ogra_> a contact address via the launchpad profile of that person should be linked at that wiki page ^^^
[11:25] <OttOmanTR> I'm so sad to see that Conanical abondoned official Ubuntu-touch phone. I was long waiting for it.
[11:26] <OttOmanTR> canonical*
[11:27] <OttOmanTR> Google has been bringing more crap with every new Android updates to avoid rooting
[11:28] <tvoss> OttOmanTR, not entirely sure what you mean by abandoned?
[11:29] <nik90> tvoss: I think he is referring to the Ubuntu Edge?
[11:29] <OttOmanTR> after that crowd funding, didn't they cancelled it?
[11:29] <OttOmanTR> yes
[11:29] <OttOmanTR> edge
[11:29] <ogra_> it didnt succeed
[11:29] <nik90> OttOmanTR: well it did not succeed in the crowd funding
[11:29] <ogra_> there will be official phones with ubuntu
[11:29] <tvoss> OttOmanTR, sure, it didn't succeed, but we are still working on ubuntu for phones
[11:30] <ogra_> just not the ubuntu edge
[11:30] <OttOmanTR> But I was looking forward to buy it
[11:30] <ogra_> we all were :)
[11:30] <ogra_> but 32mio in 30 days were a tough target
[11:31] <OttOmanTR> almost impossible
[11:31] <OttOmanTR> they kept it too high
[11:31] <ogra_> no, it was the price
[11:32] <ogra_> it might have possibly succeeded with a 60 day setup ... who knows ... but the 32mio were simply the price it costed to build it ... there was no revenue in the margin
[11:36] <OttOmanTR> Canonical is getting something wrong. Manifacturers don't like the idea of open source OSes. Because they want to sell the new version of OS updates with only new products.
[11:37] <OttOmanTR> But Canonical is till waiting manufacturers to knock their doors, which is not going to happen
[11:38] <popey> OttOmanTR: I wouldn't presume to guess what we're doing.
[11:38] <popey> (or indeed not doing) :D
[11:42] <OttOmanTR> popey: Long time passed but still no sign of official Ubuntu Touch phone :( I don't want to buy a nexus device to install Ubuntu Touch. I want something official.
[11:42] <popey> it takes a long time
[11:42] <popey> patience
[11:43] <xnox> ogra_: what's the evil idea?
[11:45] <ahayzen> Hi all, do i have to reflash to jump onto a trusty image or is there anyway of updating on the device?
[11:45] <ogra_> xnox, we could use a qemu-user-static chroot for the system and only use the emulator wrapped around  the lxc container
[11:46] <ogra_> ahayzen, if yiou are on a system image install already you can upgrade via terminal/adb ...
[11:46] <ogra_> ahayzen, system-image-cli -c trusty -b 0
[11:46] <popey> ahayzen: system-image-cli --channel trusty -b 0
[11:46] <popey> damnit ☻
[11:46] <ogra_> hehe
[11:46] <ahayzen> haha thanks guys
[11:47] <xnox> ogra_: you cannot wrap emulator around the lxc container, as you need to boot android kernel to provide the hardwarez devices.
[11:47] <ogra_> hmm
[11:48] <xnox> ogra_: and e.g. to get "adb" into ubuntu, we also need the android booted kernel
[11:48] <ogra_> ah, crap, indeed
[11:48] <ogra_> damned, i thought i was clever
[11:48] <xnox> ogra_: you can use lxc containers on the booted phone however...... to nest ubuntu touch installs
[11:48] <xnox> ogra_: cause it's the right sort of kernel.
[11:49] <ogra_> yeah that doesnt help the emulator slowness though
[11:49]  * ogra_ is looking for ways to make it usable :)
[11:49] <xnox> ogra_: virtualbox x86 images are suppose to be fast with accelerated host KVM. But then we will be testing x86 binaries and not ARM ones =/
[11:49] <ogra_> right
[11:50] <xnox> ogra_: well making it display orange & purple is also a priority =)
[11:50] <ogra_> that wont a) help much and b) likely be even more work to get an x86 android working
[11:50] <ogra_> (one that just works in qemu)
[11:50]  * xnox ponders what's wrong with black, it was fine with ford selling only black cars.
[11:50] <janimo`> xnox, do you know how much work would it be to have an  x86 emulator working?
[11:51] <janimo`> xnox, x86 goldfish equivalent I mean
[11:51] <ogra_> janimo`, well is there android code ?
[11:51]  * ogra_ doubts it 
[11:51] <ogra_> the x86 android code thats there will likely be device specific
[11:51] <ogra_> nothing for a qemu machine
[11:52] <xnox> janimo`: at the moment, qt5 assumes full GL on x86, on armhf we use GLES. And pleanty of ubuntu-touch meta-packages at the moment do "touch/android" specific in armhf builds, which is not done on x86/amd64 builds.
[11:52] <ogra_> unless you imple,ment the arch it uses in qemu
[11:53] <xnox> janimo`: so all of that needs fixed, then enablements of x86 emulator, which will also take time. And major breakage of normal desktop along the way, in all places we didn't think both components are used in $touch and $desktop ways.
[11:53] <janimo`> ogra_, there is virtualbox target even in AOSP
[11:53] <ogra_> (x86 phones arent much different from arm ones ... they are SoCs as well ... not PCs)
[11:53] <ogra_> janimo`, oh, i didnt know that !
[11:53] <xnox> ogra_: well intel atom 32bit only.
[11:53] <ogra_> xnox, still ... no BIOS ...
[11:54] <janimo`> xnox, I completely forgot about Qt assuming GL on x86. I was hoping that somehow got more configurable lately
[11:54] <tarelerulz> So any of you try Ubuntu for the phone?  How it stack up againt  Android ?
[11:55] <ogra_> tarelerulz, ubuntu touch 1.0 is a lot better than android 1.0 was
[11:55] <tarelerulz> I would hope so ,  They have something to  look at and say don't do that.
[11:55] <ogra_> (IMHO)
[11:56] <xnox> janimo`: we have a session to figure out Qt flexibility. As even platform plugins might be needed different : eg. one set on touch, desktop, KDE. And by the looks of things at the moment qt only supports one type of build (e.g. gles+mir, gl+weyland, gl+mir, etc...)
[11:56] <ogra_> comparing touch 1.0 with android 4.x wouldnt be fair though
[11:56] <ogra_> touch is only 6 months old yet
[11:56] <janimo`> xnox, VUDS session?
[11:56]  * ogra_ uses it fine as a daily phone 
[11:56] <xnox> janimo`: and we really, really do not want to explode and have multiple sets of qt. it's a security & packaging & support nightmare
[11:56] <xnox> janimo`: yeah vUDS session about Qt.
[11:56] <janimo`> xnox, I agree
[11:57] <tarelerulz> What does touch have that Android don't?  That is what I'm asking.   I thought about picking up  rom/ what ever its called .
[11:57] <ogra_> it is a completely different concept .. and a true linux
[11:58] <ogra_> try it and judge yourself :)
[11:58] <tarelerulz> I would do just that ,but I have yet to see install ways for note 3.   I'm not trying to be mean , just asking
[11:59] <ogra_> oh, well, the ports are all behind ...
[11:59] <ogra_> and tablets arent so well supported yet
[11:59] <tarelerulz> I was hoping   blackberry would do better then it did
[11:59] <ogra_> to get the full experience you should use a nexus 4
[11:59] <ogra_> which is the device we focused on for 1.0
[12:00] <tarelerulz> I wish I had one,  I would be all over that
[12:01] <tarelerulz> ogra you try touch?
[12:01] <ogra_> i use it daily yes
[12:01] <ogra_> as my main phone
[12:02] <tarelerulz> What do you do with your phone?
[12:03] <ogra_> browsing, readind news and ebooks making calls and sening messages
[12:04] <ogra_> i'm missing email (cant get along with gmail's mobile app) .... but that will come soon
[12:04] <tarelerulz> how much can you put into the contacts?   Does they support , pictures he res
[12:05] <ogra_> you can import google contacts ...
[12:05] <ogra_> no idea how many, i have a few 100
[12:05] <tarelerulz> I have only 22
[12:08] <tarelerulz> What contract format does it support?  If it can have pictures , email , cell number  and acting linked to program so you could do it from the contracts  , I would say wow
[12:12] <ogra_> tarelerulz, http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/gallery.php (beware,, thats having a *lot* of screenshots)
[12:14]  * ogra_ doesnt see a specific contacts app shot ... but http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2013-10-16-095932.png should give you an idea
[12:14] <popey> if all you ever wanted was to phone me, sure ㋛
[12:15] <ogra_> hah
[12:16] <tarelerulz> thanks ,  for the pictures
[12:17] <tarelerulz> You should make one for the note 3.  5.7 inch screen is great.
[12:21] <tarelerulz> With texting does it support  , pictures , audio , video ,  Those :)  or it just text
[12:23] <ogra_> only SMS currently, MMS is in the works though
[12:25] <tarelerulz> That's good ,  Basic phone function is what is need in a mobile os.  We all text , call ,  take pictures , Maybe video , listen to much , surf the web
[12:26] <ogra_> xnox, http://releases.linaro.org/12.10/android/vexpress
[12:27] <ogra_> xnox, vexpress support in the in-archive qemu is pretty good
[12:27] <ogra_> (not sure how hard it would be to get it into our android tree though)
[12:28] <tarelerulz> ogra , Do you have flash installed?
[12:28] <popey> nope
[12:29] <tarelerulz> Does  the camera work for picture and maybe video?
[12:29] <popey> picture yes, but we disabled video due to a bug
[12:29] <popey> expect that to be re-enabled at some point
[12:32] <tarelerulz> How about GPS functions?  Say you used  Google's online map , would you see where you are
[12:33] <popey> GPS works but we don't have AGPS yet
[12:33] <popey> so getting a lock needs you to go outdoors and wait
[12:33] <popey> because in general GPS in nexus devices sucks
[12:33] <ogra_> so getting your first sttelite fix takes very long
[12:34] <tarelerulz> You have to go out side even with that, It seems
[12:34] <ogra_> yes
[12:34] <tarelerulz> Do you get  4g / 3g ?
[12:35]  * ogra_ only has a 3G provider here ... 
[12:35] <ogra_> 4G might work, no idea :)
[12:35] <tarelerulz> I get  t-mobile's  lte
[12:36] <tarelerulz>  I say 4g I wonder most the time if its really 4g.
[12:36] <ahayzen> Hi, anyone know how the grilo plugin works for the music-app works? I seem to be getting duplicate records in the model.
[12:38] <xnox> ogra_: https://wiki.linaro.org/KenWerner/Sandbox/AndroidQEMU looks decent.
[12:39] <ogra_> xnox, though it seems to use software rendering
[12:40] <ogra_> might be a small challenge for our Mir team to get that going :)
[12:41] <ogra_> but it might be at least a better base than goldfish, vexpress surely has more to offer power wise
[12:41] <pitti> boiko: ah, thanks for approving the dialer-app tests :)
[12:41] <pitti> boiko: one down, one to go
[12:47] <boiko> pitti: no problems, I'm glad it is passing now :)
[12:56] <sudo> ha  i m sudo
[12:56] <sudo> hello
[12:56] <sudo> <C<
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[12:57] <davmor2> great let's see if this works then "sudo make me a sandwich"
[12:57] <sudo> y
[12:57] <sudo> ????
[12:57] <popey> davmor2: password:
[12:58] <sudo> sudo sudo
[12:58] <popey> hello sudo, can we help you?
[12:58] <davmor2> popey: **********
[12:58] <popey> ahh hunter2
[12:58] <davmor2> haha
[12:58] <sudo> popey < how can we install ubuntu on mobile
[12:58] <popey> sudo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[12:59] <xnox> sudo: hi!
[13:00] <xnox> sudo: why are you sending me a private message?
  r u work on ubuntu company
[13:02] <popey> sudo: yes, a bunch of us here work on ubuntu
[13:03] <sudo> ha wht qulification are required to work with ubuntu
[13:03] <popey> None! :D
[13:03] <popey> Just be awesome.
[13:03] <sudo> means
[13:04] <cwayne> Step 1: be awesome.  Step 2: ?????. Step 3: UBUNTU
[13:04] <sudo> wht i learn to part of ubuntu
[13:04] <popey> sudo: I'm finding it slightly difficult understanding your question.
[13:04] <xnox> sudo: please do not send me private messages.
 i wana say wht i do learn to becam part of ubuntu
[13:05] <popey> sudo: http://community.ubuntu.com/contribute/
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[13:20]  * rickspencer3 hits Install & Restart
[13:21] <ogra_> enjoy
[13:24] <rickspencer3> thanks ogra_ :)
[13:24] <ogra_> :)
[13:31] <sudo> hi
[13:31] <sudo> hi
[13:33] <sergiusens> mandel_, hey, if the download manger just gives me network_err all the time; is there a path to fix that? Or where are the logs?
[13:34] <mandel_> sergiusens, are this errors when the u-d-m is running as a system dbus service (only used in the updates atm) or as a session bus service?
[13:34] <mandel_> sergiusens, in the first case, syslog, in the second case look under $XDG_CACHE/ubuntu-download-manager
[13:35] <sergiusens> mandel_, app updates, so I'm guessing session bus; system updates work fine
[13:35] <sergiusens> thanks
[13:35] <mandel_> sergiusens, then the second option :)
[13:35] <mandel_> sergiusens, I'm working on improving reporting with those errors, hopefully I'll be able to get something decent to be used with T
[13:36] <sergiusens> mandel_, the log is in /home/phablet/.cache/ubuntu-download-manager/ubuntu-download-manager
[13:36] <mandel_> sergiusens, AFAIK yes, it should be there
[13:36] <sergiusens> mandel_, just pointing out the nesting (two ubuntu-download-manager-dirs)
[13:37] <mandel_> sergiusens, and yes, that is fixed in trunk
[13:37] <sergiusens> mandel_, dandy
[13:37] <mandel_> sergiusens, turns out that QStandarPaths adds that extra ubuntu-download-manager and I had no idea :-/
[13:38] <sergiusens> mandel_, yup; it's contained for you :-)
[13:39] <mandel_> sergiusens, I might write a small app that can be used to track the states of the downloads for developers (in my free time) once I move downloads to use QStateMachine so that we can have a nicer debugging for this
[13:39] <sergiusens> mandel_, I'm getting a 204 :-/
[13:39] <mandel_> sergiusens, but.. I'm a little slower in new feature because, well if u-d-m stops working we are in a horrible state
[13:40] <sergiusens> mandel_, I'm getting a 204 :-/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/6358809/
[13:40] <mandel_> sergiusens, 204? sounds like a server side issue... let me take a look
[13:41] <sergiusens> mandel_, 'no content'
[13:41] <mandel_> JamesTait, ping
[13:42] <mandel_> sergiusens, lets ask james, he works on the server side, he might know more.. or maybe beuno
[13:42] <sergiusens> mandel_, btw, nothing bad will happen if I wipe ~/.local/share/ubuntu-download-manager, right?
[13:42] <mandel_> sergiusens, no, nothing bad will happen
[13:42] <mandel_> sergiusens, why?
[13:43] <sergiusens> great; just goiong to wipe it; the log says it can't remove the file either
[13:43] <mandel_> sergiusens, uh.. funny
[13:43] <sergiusens> mandel_, ownership is phablet though
[13:43] <mandel_> sergiusens, if you find that as a problem, please report a bug on how you got to that state, first time I hear about it
[13:48] <JamesTait> mandel_, otp, but fire away.
[13:50] <mandel_> JamesTait, I just about to go for lunch but sergiusens is getting a 204 trying to get an app http://paste.ubuntu.com/6358809/
[13:51] <mandel_> JamesTait, cany idea of how can that happen or why?
[13:51] <sergiusens> JamesTait, no rush btw
[13:51] <JamesTait> mandel_, sergiusens is this from the OAuth-signed GET request to public.apps...?
[13:52] <mandel_> JamesTait, the url should be ouath signed since it is done via the update manager
[13:52] <mandel_> JamesTait, you can see the url in the pastebin I gave you
[13:52]  * mandel_ lunch
[13:53]  * JamesTait looks
[13:57] <JamesTait> Hm, working for me currently, let me dig in the code and see if I can see where a 204 might come from.
[14:21] <lapor> Hey, I'm back :)
[14:21] <lapor> is there a way to check it out on which channel I am on Ubuntu touch?
[14:22] <ogra_> system-image-cli -i
[14:24] <lapor> and my version is 100
[14:24] <lapor> how can I upgrade it
[14:24] <lapor> it doesn't say which channel is
[14:25] <lapor> channel is devel
[14:26] <lapor> but how do I know if it is Trusty or not?
[14:26] <pitti> fginther, didrocks: hmm, seems https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/dialer-app/maguro-tests/+merge/193774 didn't run tests on maguro any more? intended, or bug?
[14:26] <lapor> It cannot find any updates
[14:26] <popey> lapor: 100 will be saucy, trusty is on 10 now
[14:26] <lapor> so I still didn't cgange the channel :(
[14:27] <popey> lapor: sudo system-image-cli -c trusty -b 10
[14:27] <fginther> pitti, that's not intentionalll
[14:27] <lapor> I wrote sudo system-image-cli --channel trusty -b 0
[14:27] <lapor> ok
[14:27] <fginther> pitti, investigating...
[14:27] <lapor> I'll try this now
[14:27] <lapor> :)
[14:27] <popey> if that doesn't work then it may be a bug
[14:28] <popey> stgraber: can you see any reason why " sudo system-image-cli --channel trusty -b 0" on device won't update from saucy to trusty?
[14:29] <ogra_> popey, if the devel alias points to trusty it shuld upgrade automatically afaik
[14:29] <davmor2> popey: sudo system-image-cli --channel trusty-devel -b 0 -v is the command I used
[14:29] <popey> interesting
[14:29] <ogra_> popey, we still dont point devel to trusty ... asac insisted that we need to have a gree image forst
[14:29] <popey> lapor: see above
[14:29] <davmor2> at least I think it was let me double check
[14:29] <ogra_> *first
[14:30] <davmor2> ogra_: gree images is that like green around 95% passes?
[14:31] <ogra_> davmor2, pass rate must be better or equal to image 100
[14:31] <ogra_> sadly all the community core apps always break and trash the results :?
[14:31] <ogra_> :/
[14:31] <ogra_> (image #10 was pretty close)
[14:32] <davmor2> ogra_: I read that as better or equal to 100 (thinking %)  and wondered how you got more than 100% :)
[14:32] <popey> thats a bit unfair ogra_
[14:33] <popey> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/trusty/touch/mako/11:20131104:20131031.1/4885/ubuntu-filemanager-app-autopilot/508494/
[14:33] <ogra_> popey, dont shoot the messenger :)
[14:33] <lapor> I'll try this one
[14:33] <popey> error: device not found
[14:33] <popey> how is that remotely the app fault?
[14:33] <popey> error: device not found
[14:33] <popey> awk: fatal: division by zero attempted
[14:33] <ogra_> popey, ah, that would mean that plars needs to give back the test to run again
[14:33] <popey> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/trusty/touch/mako/11:20131104:20131031.1/4885/ubuntu-filemanager-app-autopilot/508497/
[14:34] <popey> some of these are infra issues, blaming "all the community core apps" is not fair at all.
[14:34] <ogra_> popey, which he usually does when checking the tests, dont judge the image before all tests are done ;)
[14:34] <popey> dont just the apps before the tests are done ㋛
[14:34] <ogra_> popey, look at #10 ...
[14:34] <popey> *judge
[14:34] <ogra_> 11 is in the middle of running ...
[14:35] <popey> way better
[14:35] <ogra_> things are being given back etc ...
[14:37] <plars> popey: I'll take a look at filemanager in just a moment
[14:40] <lapor> I got FileNotFoundError [Errno 2]
[14:42] <lapor> I tried the last one commant and got this error message
[14:43] <ogra_> how are you trying it ? via adb or in the terminal app ?
[14:43] <lapor> terminal app
[14:43] <lapor> should i try it via adb?
[14:44] <ogra_> hmm, no, it should work either way
[14:45] <lapor> I'll try again
[14:45] <lapor> this is what I get
[14:45] <sergiusens> ogra_, plars popey the filemanager does need a couple of fixes; but with the ap1.4 migration happening I wouldn't touch it until that happens
[14:45] <ogra_> yeah
[14:45] <popey> indeed
[14:46] <ogra_> rss reader and notes also always have failures
[14:46] <ogra_> and weather does randomly
[14:46] <sergiusens> ogra_, plars popey  I still wonder how the apps are supposed to be tested on saucy since they are framework 13.10 and on trusty at the same time without going into r/w
[14:46] <lapor> FileNotFounfError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:  '/tmp/system-image-47oyyd/channel.json'
[14:46] <lapor> This is what I get
[14:47] <lapor> This are the last lines
[14:47] <ogra_> lapor, try from adb (and without sudo) ... probably some confinement stuff gets in your way using the terminal app
[14:47] <plars> sergiusens: I really think autopilot needs some sort of api versioning
[14:48] <plars> sergiusens: I'm not a big fan of doing flag-day transitions like this
[14:48] <sergiusens> plars, me neither; I was more for coinstallable autopilots
[14:48] <sergiusens> plars, not sure why everyone is forced to do this except testing
[14:50] <lapor> i'll try with adb
[14:54] <lapor> I tred adb system-image-cli --channel trusty-devel -b 0 -v but nothing happend...
[14:54] <didrocks> sergiusens: because nobody is forced yet? I can give you a lot of examples when this arrives
[14:55] <didrocks> sergiusens: and yeah, it's a pain that I keep repeating, but need management to traction this…
[14:55] <davmor2> lapor: do adb shell
[14:55] <lapor> ok :)
[14:55] <davmor2> lapor: and then run system-image-cli --channel trusty-devel -b 0 -v
[14:55] <didrocks> sergiusens: this time, I was told "it's the last time that AP isn't going to be backward compatible"
[14:55] <sergiusens> didrocks, that was said last time
[14:55] <didrocks> sergiusens: I know… but new management/organization meanwhile…
[14:56] <lapor> i got this:[systemimage] Nov 04 15:55:56 2013 (17810) no matching channel: trusty-devel
[14:56]  * ogra_ curses having to reboot three times after an upgrade 
[14:57] <ogra_> lapor, trusty-proposed
[14:57] <ogra_> or just trusty
[14:57] <ogra_> better the latter one
[14:57] <didrocks> popey: for now, TBH, I'll really base on test results from image 10 for your work talking with baloons
[14:57] <didrocks> balloons*
[14:57] <davmor2> lapor: sorry my fault I got the wording mixed up with everyone saying devel
[14:58] <lapor> now i am runing system-image-cli --channel trusty -b 0 -v
[14:58] <sergiusens> didrocks, well for the core apps the test code might need to be 1.3 and 1.4 compatible to test on saucy as the apps land on the store
[14:58] <lapor> and is working something :)
[14:58] <lapor> we'll see
[14:58] <ogra_> GGRRRR !
[14:58] <ogra_> 5th reboot now
[14:58] <ogra_> i want my panel clock, damned !
[14:58] <didrocks> sergiusens: I heard it's not possible as the return type for the same function is changed
[14:59] <didrocks> but better that you check with QA
[14:59] <didrocks> sergiusens: btw, on landing core apps, who should I talk to to ensure we have this "land on Tuesday/Wednesday"?
[14:59] <sergiusens> didrocks, me
[14:59] <davmor2> ogra_: I wants never get ;)
[14:59] <didrocks> sergiusens: is there any webpage to see the uploads?
[15:00] <didrocks> like, is it continuous/on demand?
[15:00] <sergiusens> didrocks, once they are in the sotre they are auto synced to http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/click_packages/click_list
[15:01] <ogra_> davmor2, well, i cant seem to be able to get a panel clock with image 10 ...
[15:01] <ogra_> (on mako that iis)
[15:01] <didrocks> sergiusens: but people need to upload them manually to the store?
[15:01] <sergiusens> didrocks, but for the store itself we can either share the login or wait for the store guys to finish the multiple logins per namespace feature
[15:01] <didrocks> and you do those uploads for the core apps team?
[15:02] <sergiusens> didrocks, yes
[15:02] <didrocks> I hope you have a REST api for that :)
[15:02] <didrocks> that you don't poke to the ui everytime
[15:02] <sergiusens> didrocks, there is one and there's a tool as well lp:click-toolbelt
[15:02] <didrocks> ah nice
[15:02] <sergiusens> didrocks, you just need oauth
[15:03] <didrocks> sergiusens: so for this run, I think you are still going to handle the click side
[15:03] <didrocks> sergiusens: http://pad.ubuntu.com/autopilot-1-4 is the full list of what's ported
[15:03] <didrocks> I trust you to do the update on Tuesday, and then, once everything is merged, Wednesday for the click side?
[15:04] <sergiusens> didrocks, sounds good
[15:04] <didrocks> thanks a lot :
[15:04] <didrocks> :)
[15:04] <sergiusens> didrocks, I'm waiting for fginther's plan t run ap tests on real devices since that's the only location where click confinement and the tests make sense
[15:04] <sergiusens> didrocks, after that it can be fully automated
[15:05] <stgraber> popey, davmor2: barry should be of more assistance for that kind of question. But yeah, I'd expect -c trusty-proposed -b 0 -v to just work.
[15:05] <didrocks> sergiusens: sounds good
[15:06] <popey> stgraber: thanks
[15:06] <cwayne> stgraber: ping
[15:06] <stgraber> cwayne: hey there
[15:08] <cwayne> stgraber: heya, was wondering if we could setup one more channel for a different customized tarball?
[15:08] <lapor> now I have this: [systemimage] Nov 04 15:57:36 2013 (17997) Running group download reactor
[15:09] <lapor> this means it downloads the image or what?
[15:09] <lapor>   I have to wait
[15:09] <ogra_> yes
[15:09] <lapor> how big is the image?
[15:09] <lapor> 300 MB?
[15:09] <ogra_> yeap, about that
[15:09] <lapor> so I'll know how long I'll have to wait
[15:09] <lapor> okey
[15:09] <lapor> thanks
[15:09] <stgraber> cwayne: sure
[15:11] <davmor2> ogra_: http://ubuntuone.com/4imeMvKtf3M3BbtY3sDdjM I'm on 11
[15:12] <davmor2> ogra_: I haz clockz, mako hates you, hate it back it works for me :D
[15:14] <unityself> Can i install ubuntu (touch) on a htc evo 3d gsm ?
[15:14] <popey> !devices
[15:14] <davmor2> unityself: ^
[15:15] <unityself> ok i try the HTC Evo LTE method
[15:18] <ogra_> davmor2, after the 6th reboot i had it back :)
[15:19] <davmor2> ogra_: :D 6th time lucky hey :0
[15:19] <davmor2> :) even
[15:22] <fginther> pitti, root caused the disappearing maguro tests, someone manually disabled them after all the maguros went offline
[15:22] <mobileCircelz> Is Ubuntu Touch free software
[15:22] <ogra_> mobileCircelz, indeed !
[15:23] <mobileCircelz> What non-free software does Ubuntu-Touch depend on(drivers?)
[15:23] <davmor2> mobileCircelz: yes bar the android binary drivers in the lxc container
[15:24] <mobileCircelz> Android binary drivers?  What does that binary do?
[15:24] <ogra_> mobileCircelz, manage the modem and provide GLES based graphics
[15:24] <ogra_> and some sensor bits too iirc
[15:26] <mobileCircelz> ogra_ is there alternatives, or projects creating alternatives to this non-free binary?  I am more interested in the modem then GLES.
[15:26] <ogra_> no
[15:26] <ogra_> it would mean that the vedor of a modem would have published at least some specs for the hardware
[15:27] <pitti> fginther: ah, thanks! so we need to wait until they come back?
[15:27] <ogra_> which you wont see happening for most android HW
[15:27] <popey> what's that free software alternative to android...
[15:27] <popey> begins with R
[15:27] <Stskeeps> replicant
[15:27] <popey> thats the badger thanks stgraber
[15:27] <popey> er Stskeeps
[15:27] <ogra_> i doubt they have something working that replaces the ril stack
[15:27] <popey> Stskeeps: enjoyed your jolla community blog post btw
[15:28] <fginther> pitti, they are back online and the job is re-enabled.
[15:28] <ogra_> ++
[15:28] <cwayne> stgraber: the channel name could be something like customization-generic, and I can get you a jenkins job for the tarball later today
[15:28] <Stskeeps> popey: i didn't write the ubuntu part, honest!
[15:28] <Stskeeps> :P
[15:28] <fginther> pitti, want me to rerun your job?
[15:28] <cwayne> mardy: ping
[15:28] <pitti> fginther: thanks! so I'll re-run the job
[15:28] <pitti> fginther: can do it
[15:28] <popey> Stskeeps: i saw nothing wrong with that bit, so fine if you did ☻
[15:28]  * Stskeeps goes to check if it was inflammatory
[15:28] <fginther> pitti, thanks
[15:28] <popey> it wasnt
[15:29] <holymac> Is there a cloud project for Ubuntu?
[15:29] <popey> holymac: there is ubuntu server, which is great in the cloud, yes ☻
[15:30] <mobileCircelz> Thanks everyone
[15:30] <stgraber> cwayne: ok, so trusty-customized-generic + trusty-proposed-customized-generic then
[15:30] <stgraber> cwayne: let me know when you have the URL
[15:31] <cwayne> stgraber: yep, that's perfect!  i'll ping you as soon as i've got a job up.  thanks!
[15:40] <nerochiaro> bfiller: was there any resolution coming from the meetings regarding having clipboard support in MIR for this cycle ?
[15:41] <bfiller> nerochiaro: yes that will be added for this cycle
[15:41] <ogra_> yay
[15:41] <nerochiaro> bfiller: excellent
[15:50] <mhall119> popey: what blog post was that?
[15:50]  * ogra_ saw it on G+ iirc
[15:51] <popey> mhall119: http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2013/11/a-sailfishos-co-creators-community-in.html
[15:57] <ogra_> Stskeeps, you miss one important fact (that got us a lot benefit in ubuntu and pulled many xda dev plumbers in) ... portability of the OS to existing phones ...
[16:21] <Adeylur> How to install Ubuntu touch
[16:22] <ogra_> Adeylur, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[16:27] <Stskeeps> ogra_: good point
[16:36] <mterry> What's the easiest way to measure battery drain?
[16:36] <mterry> kgunn, ^?
[16:36] <Syltman> approx how long does the install take on a N4?
[16:37] <kgunn> mterry: uh...probably a kernel tool
[16:38] <ogra_> mterry, upower -d
[16:38] <ogra_> ?
[16:38] <ogra_> though that indeed operates on a pretty high level
[16:38] <JamesTait> sergiusens, are you still getting a 204 from that click package?
[16:38] <kgunn> mterry: try that ^ and if that's not it...we can talk to leann's team
[16:38] <kgunn> mterry: i know they've done a lot of work around power measurement
[16:39] <kgunn> mterry: just curious...why you need power measurements ?
[16:39] <ogra_> kgunn, mterry, cking is the power master :)
[16:39] <mterry> kgunn, I was thinking maybe running under u-s-c would be more of a drain.  Part of my performance measurements for switch
[16:40] <mterry> kgunn, so far startup times seem about the same
[16:40] <kgunn> mterry: sure...and i totally expect there to be some power hit w/o bypass on android nested mirs
[16:40] <cking> mterry, unfortunately it's hard to get a good measurement from the battery, so I had to resort to using a fluke meter
[16:41] <mterry> cking, upower -d isn't useful?
[16:41] <sergiusens> JamesTait, let me check
[16:42] <cking> mterry, http://smackerelofopinion.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/non-linear-characteristics-in-draining.html
[16:42] <mterry> kgunn, I'm not familiar with the bypass issue.  It's a performance improvement in Mir we don't have yet?
[16:42] <JamesTait> sergiusens, we haven't changed anything, but nor can we pinpoint where a 204 would be coming from, so I'm interested to see if it's still an issue and if I can dig out some logs for it.
[16:43] <kgunn> mterry: correct (on anrdoid we don't have it)....and it uses "extra power" in the sense that in a full screen opaque render...you don't need to composite
[16:43] <sergiusens> JamesTait, it happened all weekend btw
[16:43] <kgunn> mterry: so in effect we load the gpu with a full screen pixel copy
[16:43] <sergiusens> JamesTait, I was thinking about re creating my u1 credentials
[16:43] <JamesTait> It's really odd. :-/
[16:44] <kgunn> mterry: when we get bypass we'll be less load on gpu, more so it can idle more quickly (and save power)
[16:44] <kgunn> mterry: note....without bypass...performance might still be 60 fps
[16:44] <kgunn> mterry: or i should say performance may be consistent w/ & w/o
[16:45] <kgunn> mterry: bypass only helps when the gpu is heavily loaded from the app point of view
[16:45] <mterry> kgunn, OK...  Well, let's see what I get.  Though cking is basically saying I need hardware sensor, it sounds
[16:45] <JamesTait> sergiusens, I thought about credentials, but as far as I can tell, bad credentials would return a 401.
[16:45] <JamesTait> Which is as it should be.
[16:46] <JamesTait> On the one hand I'd like to try it to see if it fixes it - on the other hand, doing so kind of reduces the odds of us reproducing the issue.
[16:46]  * JamesTait has a brainwave.
[16:46] <JamesTait> Let me try something.
[16:47] <sergiusens> JamesTait, just tried and still fails
[16:47] <davmor2> JamesTait: this is the issue I had I found out that my u1 login had been logged out I had to delete my u1 account and create a new one then it was fine.  I'm wondering if there was an outage or a rollout
[16:48] <cking> mterry, if you use upowerd remember that the battery info is usually massaged into something reasonable looking but most of the drivers I've looked at do all sorts of magic which means what you get is a smoothed and adjusted set of data rather and who knows what the h/w gas gauge is doing to the data before the kernel reads it
[16:49] <cking> i.e. it's kind of like a reasonable guestimate rather than reality
[16:49] <davmor2> sergiusens: ^ see my comment but let JamesTait see if he can fix it first
[16:49] <mterry> cking, it sounds like I should just not bother trying to get bogus reads
[16:50] <JamesTait> davmor2, logging out your web login caused your click credentials to start failing?
[16:50] <sergiusens> davmor2, and you got 204s?
[16:50] <cking> mterry, well, for small tweaks it code, it's hard to figure out if one has improved something, or it's just noise. and with low power devices the noise is going to make it very hard
[16:50] <cking> s/it code/in code/
[16:51] <mterry> cking, what do you think the variance is?  If things are within +/- 5%, can I say "well, I didn't make it monstrously worse"?
[16:51] <davmor2> JamesTait: I had to log out to login to my testing account then I logged in slowly to the accounts I needed to.  My u1 desktop client had logged out too on Raring and Saucy
[16:52] <bfiller> mterry: would you mind updating this MR to work against latest trunk? really want to enable tests for ubuntu-keyboard again https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/ubuntu-keyboard/run-tests/+merge/180941
[16:52] <cking> mterry, i personally believe it will be hard to tell unless one is really careful where one is with battery charge, temperature, etc
[16:52] <mterry> bfiller, huh, OK
[16:53] <JamesTait> Hmm... well, modifying the saved credentials returned a 401, as I would expect.  Let me try revoking those credentials in SSO and see what that does.
[16:53] <bfiller> mterry: just got out of sync I believe cause no one merged back when you originally prposed it. now lots of conflicts
[16:54] <JamesTait> 401, same.
[16:54] <davmor2> JamesTait: if you log out of your login.ubuntu.com account on your desktop and then open u1 client what happens for you then?
[16:55] <JamesTait> davmor2, wait, let's take this slowly. :)
[16:56] <JamesTait> davmor2, "log out of your login.ubuntu.com account on your desktop" - the browser session, via Online Accounts, via the U1 Control Panel?
[16:58] <davmor2> JamesTait: So my u1 dashbord was logged in.  I logged out of SSO via login.ubuntu.com in the browser, I then logged into my test account in the browser, I then logged out of that and back into my normal account.  I then opened u1 dashboard and had to log back into u1 to allow the dashboard to sync again
[16:59] <davmor2> the last one was via the desktop login
[17:02] <JamesTait> Well one.ubuntu.com/dashboard is logged in, but opening U1 Control Panel I see "File Sync error. (auth failed (AUTH_FAILED))"
[17:03] <JamesTait> Curiouser and curiouser.
[17:04] <davmor2> JamesTait: sorry control panel is what I meant not dashboard (it's been a long day)
[17:05] <davmor2> JamesTait: it looks like the new login is creating new credentials and the old ones on the desktop/phone are then invalid
[17:05] <JamesTait> davmor2, it does, doesn't it? :-/
[17:05] <JamesTait> But why a 204 resposne?  That makes no sense at all.
[17:06] <davmor2> JamesTait: I'm wondering if the web and api creds are clashing some how
[17:06] <JamesTait> I'm also not seeing a 204 response in the logs anywhere.
[17:08] <davmor2> JamesTait: in theory I should be able to log out of u1 web but the desktop client remain logged in correct?  That's the bit that looks broken.  I thought it was just me due to bastardising my system to check the roll out of pay for pindonga though
[17:08] <JamesTait> That's right, they should be independent.
[17:32] <sergiusens> JamesTait, davmor2 after removing my u1 creds and readding them in settings it works again
[17:33] <JamesTait> sergiusens, thanks for the update.  I'd like to raise a bug about this, but I have no idea what to write in the bug report. :-/
[17:38] <cwayne> mardy: ping
[17:50] <mterry> bfiller_afk, done
[17:50] <mterry> (with updating keyboard run-tests branch)
[17:53] <cwayne> salem_: hey, what urls open with the dialer app?  like phone://?
[17:53] <salem_> cwayne, I think its's tel://. let me double check
[17:54] <cwayne> salem_: hmm i tried to open a tel:// link from webbrowser-app and it didn't work
[17:54] <salem_> cwayne, yep. tel:/// only
[17:55] <cwayne> salem_: ah, but it'd only open that way if it used Qt.openURLExternally()
[17:55] <cwayne> so in a browser if you get a link to tel:// it doesn't work :(
[17:56] <salem_> cwayne, hm, I  assume it is because it needs 3 slashes: tel:///phone-number
[17:58] <cwayne> ah
[17:58] <cwayne> hm
[17:58] <cwayne> whn you search for something in google there's a 'call' button and i think it only uses 2 //
[17:59] <salem_> cwayne, yes. I think we need to add some logic on browser-app to corretly support this action.
[18:44] <xelra> Hi guys. Has anyone tried and written down experiences installing ubuntu touch on a x86 tablet? Surface Pro 2, VAIO Tap 11, ...?
[18:48] <sergiusens> xelra, there is no x86 port yet
[18:50] <xelra> :(
[18:51] <xelra> sergiusens: Thanks.
[19:02] <steev> xelra: you could always try :D
[19:03] <genii> There was talk on the xda forums about a port for x86 but i don't think much came of it.
[19:04] <genii> ( a Cyanogenmod port, that is )
[19:09] <ahayzen> Hi, I need to test the UriHandler for the music-app but can't remember the command to run it, can anyone help?
[19:14] <matrixa1> Hello! has anyone had any luck with Ubuntu touch on xperia Z?
[19:26] <jdstrand> thomi_: hey-- ev asked me to talk to you about including /var/log/syslog in the test results artifacts
[19:27] <jdstrand> thomi_: this will be useful if a test fails due to apparmor, since apparmor denials will be in /var/log/syslog
[19:27] <jdstrand> thomi_: should I file a bug somewhere? where?
[19:28] <davmor2> jdstrand: I think thomi_ may still be travelling
[19:28] <jdstrand> ack
[19:28] <jdstrand> thanks
[19:28] <bfiller> mterry: awesome, thanks
[19:44] <mardy> cwayne: pong
[19:48] <cwayne> mardy: hiya, i had a question about my account plugin (account-plugin-fitbit)
[19:49] <cwayne> on the phone, it's not pulling down the username of teh account, but it does on the desktop
[19:49] <mardy> cwayne: is it OAuth 1 or 2?
[19:50] <cwayne> mardy: 1
[19:50] <mardy> cwayne: the hask that we are using on the desktop doesn't work on the phone, but it's not bad news, as it forces us to a more robust solution :-)
[19:51] <mardy> cwayne: what is the name of the service file for fitbit?
[19:51] <cwayne> mardy: /usr/share/accounts/services/fitbit.service
[19:51] <mardy> cwayne: OK, so do run: account-console list
[19:52] <mardy> cwayne: take note of the account id for fitbit
[19:52] <mardy> cwayne: then: account-console login <account-id> --service fitbit
[19:52] <mardy> cwayne: and see if the username is returned as part of the response
[19:52] <mardy> cwayne: usually with Oauth 1 it should be there, under some key
[19:54] <cwayne> mardy: not there
[19:54] <cwayne> but there is encoded_user_id
[19:55] <cwayne> but that's not quite as helpful :)
[19:55] <cwayne> huh, it doesn't show up on my desktop either... but it works on the desktop
[19:59] <mardy> cwayne: let me read fitbit's docs, maybe the encoded_user_id is helpful
[20:03] <negletios> Hello , question : is it possible to install ubuntu on windows phone?
[20:03] <mardy> cwayne: OK, so it seems that the only way is to make a REST call: https://wiki.fitbit.com/display/API/API-Get-User-Info
[20:03] <mardy> cwayne: you can have a look at the facebook and google providers, they are also making a REST call in order to retrieve the username
[20:03] <cwayne> mardy: yeah, but the problem is that has to have oauth signed authorization headers
[20:04] <cwayne> so there's a lot more than just tacking the token on the end of the URL
[20:04] <mardy> cwayne: right, Oauth 1 is a bit painful there... OTOH it's not that hard
[20:05] <cwayne> mardy: it took me a long time to get my app to work with it, but I'm certainly no expert :)
[20:06] <mardy> cwayne: there must be some JS lib for OAuth (or maybe just for HMAC-SHA1), maybe you can try to look for them, if you don't want to do it in C++
[20:07] <cwayne> mardy: they do exist, i use them in my app, i was just trying to avoid having to go through it all again and piece it together tbh
[20:07] <cwayne> it's a non-trivial effort (well, for me it is at least)
[20:08] <mardy> cwayne: true... OTOH that's the only correct way of doing it
[20:09] <mardy> cwayne: in the desktop it works because we are taking the username out of the DOM, but that's not reliable
[20:10] <cwayne> mardy: ah, alright
[20:10] <cwayne> at least i know why it was working on the desktop :D
[20:10] <cwayne> mardy: is there any docs on how to write that qml plugin?
[20:11] <mardy> cwayne: not really :-( Just see the ones for google and facebook
[20:14] <cwayne> mardy: alrighty, sounds like a good weekend project, thanks for the help :)
[20:16] <elefher> hi
[20:17] <mardy> cwayne: np :-)
[20:33] <fginther> sergiusens, did you have a strategy in mind for using phablet-click-test-setup for installing tests from an MP?
[20:35] <sergiusens> fginther, it wouldn't be hard to do, we can just tell it where the autopilot dir is
[20:41] <fginther> sergiusens, I'll propose something.
[20:42] <sergiusens> fginther, sounds good
[21:02] <yorick> does utouch support the magic mouse?
[21:03] <yorick> it doesn't show up in geistest for me
[21:03] <yorick> how do I debug?
[22:06] <Pascat> Hello! I was given a Samsung Galaxy Gio, any chances to get Ubuntu Touch running on that, or its far too weak?
[22:39] <Sturg15_> Are there going to be any different tablets that ubuntu with work on?