/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/11/04/#ubuntu-za.txt

Kilosmorning all05:51
nuvolari_o/ morning oom Kilos 06:22
Kilosmorning nuvolari_ Private_User 06:22
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Kilosgaan dit goed nuvolari_ ?06:23
Kiloshoekom die stert06:23
nuvolaridit gaan goed dankie en met oom?06:23
nuvolarinee ek weet nie oom06:23
Kilosgoed dankie06:23
nuvolari:P06:23
KilosPrivate_User, theres something i wanted to tell you, but forgotten atm , will try remember06:24
Kilosek het in die nag kubuntu 13.10 instaleer06:25
Kilosbaie vinnig. 12m install to reboot06:25
Kilosmaar  hulle maak goed meer ingewikkeled met elke release06:25
Kilossomething to do with restricted and restricted-addons06:28
Kilosim not sure if lubuntu has them or not06:28
Kilosyes it does06:31
KilosPrivate_User, do sudo aptitude install lubuntu-restricted-extras lubuntu-restricted-addons06:32
Kilosyou might need them for design work06:33
Kiloshi Vince-0 Resu_Etavirp 06:43
Kiloshaha06:43
mazalMorning everyone06:49
Kiloshi mazal 06:49
mazalDoes anybody know if wget will donwload a file again if it already exist ?06:50
Kilosmaybe if its not in the same place06:51
Kilosbut it should warn you anyway06:51
Kilosyou can rename the old one if its in /home06:52
mazalSame place , for example I add a wget script to cron , it downloads , I forget to remove it. Will it download the next day again ?06:52
Kilosmight offer to overwrite06:52
mazalOr will it see the same file is there already and just stop06:52
Kiloshavent got there yet06:52
mazalRemember this is via cron , so user not present to give inputs06:53
Kiloswhy you wanna get another of the same files?06:53
Kilosyou gotta try it first then directly and see what happens06:53
mazalno I'm still battling with scheduled downloading. Seems Ubuntu doesn't have a proper download manager06:53
mazalEverything I tried so far either doesn't have scheduling , or the one that have just doesn't work at all06:54
Kiloshmm... i looked at that the other day06:54
KilosMaaz, google downloadmanager for 12.0406:54
MaazKilos: "Download manager for Ubuntu 12.04 and Google Chrome - Ask ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/315056/download-manager-for-ubuntu-12-04-and-google-chrome :: "12.04 - What is the best downloading program for ubuntu? - Ask ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/180397/what-is-the-best-downloading-program-for-ubuntu :: "Install uGet Download Manager 1.10.3 in06:54
MaazUbuntu 12.10/12.04 and ..." http://www.tecmint.com/install-uget-download-manager-1-10-3-in-ub…06:54
mazalAt this stage I actually do my scheduled downloads with my Win 7 partition as Ubuntu doesn't have a proper app for it06:54
Kilosouch06:55
mazalBest ones so far is downthemall ( firefox add-on ) and fatrat , but neither can schedule06:55
Kilosjust look in /home if you have that file already06:56
Kilosand just rename it 06:56
mazalSo looks like the long time consuming way of a script with bunch of wget command for every file is the only way06:56
Kilosalso look at wget -c that might see the file is already there and add any extras06:57
Kilosmorning superfly 06:58
superflyhi Kilos07:00
Kilosmazal, you gotta give wget the direct link to the file you want to get.07:06
Vince-0G'day07:07
Kilosso go to the site and get to the file you want then right click copy link or something and thats the link you give wget07:07
Kiloshope that helps you07:09
inetprogood mornings07:15
inetprooh and hi Kilos07:15
Kilosohi inetpro 07:23
Kilosinetpro, kubuntu 13.10 is very lekker but more involved to get 3g working07:24
Kilosinstalls super fast07:24
Kiloshi gerritfromsa welcome to ubuntu-za07:37
gerritfromsaKilos, cheers07:37
gerritfromsa1st time a join this one , whats the latest discussion ?07:38
Kiloswe help new peeps here07:38
Kilospraat ook die taal07:38
gerritfromsapragtag !07:39
Kilosis jy op ubuntu?07:39
Kilosons het ook n afrikaans kanaal #ubuntu-afr07:40
gerritfromsaeientlik Fedora/Centos user maar Linux is Linux ...07:40
Kilosja ons gebruik als en help waar ons kan07:40
Kilosdaar is ouens hier op mint en slitaz en ander snaakse goed07:41
gerritfromsaMint is great07:41
Kiloscentos is harde werk07:41
gerritfromsaScripts help baie ...07:42
Kiloshaha so jy is een van die slimmes07:42
gerritfromsaHokaai07:42
Kilosjy moet ons kom help hier. ek glo nie hier is n fedora gebruiker nie07:43
gerritfromsaverskille is maar klein ...07:44
Kiloshi bduk1 07:49
Kiloswbb gonna try sort modem08:00
bduk1Good morning all08:02
gerritfromsamorning08:22
charl_good morning all09:08
charl_hi bduk1, gerritfromsa 09:08
gerritfromsacharl_, morning09:09
gerritfromsacharl_, where from?09:12
charl_gerritfromsa: where what from?09:23
charl_looks like sql - select * from some_table where some_field = 109:23
gerritfromsayou09:26
ThatGraemeGuymorning peeps09:41
charl_hi ThatGraemeGuy 09:41
charl_how's it going09:41
ThatGraemeGuyall good this side, you?09:42
charl_i'm doing great thanks09:52
charl_hi maiatoday 09:54
maiatodayhi charl_ 09:57
charl_how's it going10:01
gerritfromsaback10:17
Kilosinetpro, het jy al begin daai goed spyt?11:22
Kilostribulus terrestris11:22
inetproKilos: what is that?11:24
Kilosdubbeltjies11:24
* nlsthzn hates dubbeltjies...11:45
nlsthznso many punchers when I was using a bike :p11:45
Kiloss/spyt/spuit11:55
Kiloslol11:58
Kilosterrible things11:58
Kilosarent you thinking of duiwel dorings11:58
Kilosthose three point things11:58
gerritfromsaanyone using utorrent from command line?12:00
gerritfromsagot some night owl bandwidth to kill12:00
Kilosnlsthzn, say hi the new guy12:00
Kiloslol12:00
Kilosi downloaded an iso and upgraded it with mine last 2 nights12:01
Kilospainful the late nights thought12:01
Kilosthough12:02
Kiloshi ThatGraemeGuy 12:02
gerritfromsathat why I want to crontab it12:05
gerritfromsaeztv.it for all the latest TV shows12:06
Kiloslol12:09
Kilosmazal, heres another crontab guy12:09
mazalI need a wget one :P12:10
mazalHave 2 wget problems12:11
gerritfromsayes12:11
gerritfromsawget is your friend12:11
mazalStruggling with it12:11
mazalFirst question gerritfromsa is just some info needed , haven't tested it yet :12:12
gerritfromsawhat do you want to do?12:12
mazalI create a scrypt with 3 wget commands for 3 different files ok12:12
mazalI schedule that scrypt with cron12:12
mazalNow my question , let's say wget finishes those downloads , and I forget to remove scrypt from cron12:13
mazalWill it dl the files next day again ? Or will it see them there and just skip the commands and end ?12:13
mazalBasically using it as a scheduled download manager12:14
nlsthznyawn..12:15
nlsthznhate being on leave I never wake up12:15
nlsthznuntil it is time for bed12:15
Kiloshehe12:16
gerritfromsayou can use a switch in wget to ignore files you already have ... wait12:17
gerritfromsajust cheking the man page12:17
gerritfromsamazal, OK if you add the -N switch it will not download the file again unless it's newer12:18
mazalMust be capital letter yes ?12:19
gerritfromsamazal, so instead of wget http://URL/file use wget -N http://URL/file12:19
gerritfromsamazal, Yes capital N and I would also add the -q switch when used in a cron for no output or 'quite' mode12:20
gerritfromsamazal, wget -N -q http://URL/file12:20
mazalSo for example , the following one will both continue if not finished as well as do nothing if it's already finished : ?12:20
mazalwget -cN --tries=0 --progress=bar -O /home/mazal/ubuntu-12.04.3-server-amd64.iso http://ftp.is.co.za/linux/distributions/ubuntu/releases/precise/ubuntu-12.04.3-server-amd64.iso12:20
Kilosgerritfromsa, welcome to ubuntu-za12:20
Kilosat least you understand man pages12:21
Kilosi dont understand greek12:22
gerritfromsawatch out for combining switches unless they are specified to be used along one another , because some combination does something else12:22
mazalYeah the man page for that switch just says " Turn on timestamping ". I would never figure that means " Don't download unless newer "12:22
gerritfromsaRemember that wget is actually a HTTP_GET request and in the same way your browser will include an "If not modified" in the TCP header when you surf a webpage12:24
gerritfromsain the same way you add that to the wget request12:24
mazalThank you gerritfromsa 12:24
mazalNow my second one I been struggling for a while , have it on the mailing list as well12:25
mazalI want to download just 1 sub folder from a web site.12:25
gerritfromsaalso remember that you can specify the month and day n cron so that it will only run once this year ...12:25
gerritfromsawith wget -R you can actually rip of the entire page12:26
* nlsthzn is having a hard time with vbox >.< ... just can't seem to get the kernel module to work (not ubuntu, LMDE)... grrrr12:26
mazalThat's not an option as sometimes the download don't finish in time and need to be continued the next day12:26
gerritfromsaUNLESS the web master has put a ROBOTS.txt fiel in his/her root folder12:26
mazaland sometimes it will be finished. All depends on the day and how many files I add12:26
mazalOk , now that second question12:26
mazalI have tried the following 3 command , all without success :12:27
mazalwget -r my.example.com/folder12:27
mazalwget -rnH my.example.com/folder12:27
mazalwget -nh my.example.com/folder12:27
mazalIn the first two cases it keeps downloading the whole site and in the 3rd case only 1 file12:28
mazalSorry that 3rd one is also a caital H12:28
mazalcapital even12:28
gerritfromsaOK the last makes sence - most likely the index.* file 12:28
mazalyep12:29
gerritfromsatry this quickly wget -r my.example.com.folder/*12:29
mazalk12:29
mazalnot found error12:30
gerritfromsaubuntu ?12:30
mazalhttp://guides.gamepressure.com/resistance3/*12:31
mazalWithout the star it works , but downloads whole site12:31
mazalwith start I get 404 not found12:31
gerritfromsaboth works with centos , OK hang in there we'll find a way12:31
gerritfromsamazal, OK try this #wget -nh --cut-dirs=1 my.example.com/folder12:39
gerritfromsamazal, this stop at 1 directory deep12:39
mazalDoes nothing , only creates the subfolder name and downloads nothing12:41
mazalAnd it creates the folder name in an html file ?12:42
gerritfromsatry =212:42
mazalonly downloads index.html12:42
mazalSeems I will have to dl the whole site and delete afterwards what I don't want lol12:45
gerritfromsai'm on it12:46
mazalTime to go for me , thanx for the help gerritfromsa , can you tell maaz to tell me if you got the right combo please12:47
gerritfromsaMaaz, wil do12:48
Maazgerritfromsa: Huh?12:48
gerritfromsaMaaz, check msg from mazal 12:48
Maazgerritfromsa: Huh?12:48
mazalLike in so :12:48
mazalMaaz tell mazal " whatever "12:48
Maazmazal: Got it, I'll tell mazal on freenode12:48
mazal.12:49
Maazmazal: By the way, mazal on freenode told me "tell mazal " whatever "" 22 seconds ago12:49
Kilosgerritfromsa, you type in Maaz tell nick on freenode   "message"12:49
Kilosoh my12:49
mazalCheers everyone , enjoy your evening12:50
mazalBye oom12:50
bduk1Bye all12:50
nlsthznso anyone here checked out makulu linux yet?12:57
gerritfromsasounds makulukulu12:58
nlsthzndon't know about that but thus far there seems to much emphasis on cosmetics and not enough on anything else :/13:02
gerritfromsaMaaz, you can tell your connection there isn't a way to just get 1 folder with wget but you can specify that it only goes 1 folder deep13:03
Maazgerritfromsa: I already know stuff about you13:03
gerritfromsaMaaz, thats the wonder of the internet my friend13:03
Maazgerritfromsa: *blink*13:03
gerritfromsaMaaz, tell mazal you can also set wget to ignore certain file types - that will also save him downloading unwanted files13:04
Maazgerritfromsa: Sure, I'll tell mazal on freenode13:04
* nlsthzn sees some confusion13:05
gerritfromsayou mean like your name and stuff Mr.Snyman13:10
gerritfromsaand you friend Mr.Sharpe13:10
nlsthzn?13:11
Kilossigh power went off and when returned i thought lets try new kde but couldnt get here because the keyboard gave a pound sign instead of a hash13:51
Kiloswhat a battle to find id chosen english uk instead of us13:51
Kiloswhat a twit13:52
Kilosnow to configure konversation from scratch13:52
nlsthznhate it when that happens13:53
nlsthzncrossover being so annoying... every now and again I can't launch it from the menu or synapse etc... it just goes missing and then I install again and it carries on where it was :/13:55
Kiloseish nlsthznyou dont often struggle13:57
Kilosthats my domain13:57
Kiloseish no space after tab complete13:57
Kilossigh13:57
Kilosim too old for this13:59
Kilosi go fetch sheep, them i can kick if they dont listen13:59
nlsthzn:013:59
nlsthzn:013:59
nlsthzn:)13:59
Kiloshaha13:59
nlsthznat least everything installed with crossover is still there and working... if I had to re-install all that I would go nuts14:00
Kiloshiya maiatodayyou ok girl?14:05
Kilosai!14:05
Kilosnlsthzn: ha thats fixed14:12
Kiloshiya maiatoday 14:13
maiatodayhi Kilos14:13
Kilosyou ok girl?14:13
Kilosstill busy all the time14:13
maiatodayhehe always Kilos, it never stops14:13
maiatodaybut I like it like that14:13
Kilosya but we miss you man14:14
Kilosgirl14:14
maiatoday I can't do Monday evenings anymore, which is a sad thing. But I am around14:14
Kiloswhat is a good day for you?14:15
Kilosill start a petition and go on strike 14:15
Kiloscharl_: ping14:16
maiatodayNot Mondays or Thursdays, but I don't want everybody to shift just because of me.14:18
Kilosi do14:26
Kilosi miss you14:26
Kilosoh gerritfromsa we have community meetings here once a month, everyone welcome14:29
gerritfromsawhereat ?14:32
Kiloshere14:34
Kiloswhat irc client do you use?14:34
Kilosirssi i spose14:34
Kiloswithout a topic panel14:35
gerritfromsaxchat ;) not that backward14:36
Kilosoh my thats lekker14:42
Kilosi love xchat and second is conversation14:42
Kiloskonversation14:42
gerritfromsakde rules14:43
Kilosyou must try the new kubuntu14:43
Kilosinstalled here in 12 minutes14:43
Kilosond this pc is old14:43
Kilosbut they hid the workspace switcher and now gotta use ctrl+F1-1014:45
gerritfromsaKilos, when is the meeting ?14:52
Kilosnext one on the 25th14:53
gerritfromsatime?14:53
Kilosdont you see it in the topic at the top?14:53
Kilos20.3014:53
Kiloslinks to our mailing list andagenda for the meet and so on14:53
gerritfromsagot it ... saw the topic ... I'll try be there14:54
Kiloscool14:54
Kilosif you got any ideas to discuss you can add to the agenda14:54
Kiloswe need new ideas14:54
KilosSquirm: you on holiday yet?15:02
nuvolarimeh, anyone with ontology/openrdf knowledge around?15:13
nuvolaripleeeze15:13
charl_Kilos: i'm back15:27
Kilosohi what did they do with the workspace switcher in 13.10 kde15:28
charl_gerritfromsa: using irssi is backward according to you?15:28
Kilosi dont like to remember ctrl+F1-1015:28
Kiloshaha15:28
charl_Kilos: coming to think of it, haven't used it long enough to bother checking15:29
charl_kde on ubuntu 13.10 i mean15:29
psyatwhi charl_15:29
charl_i installed it inside a VM a week or two ago and was just playing with it for a while15:29
Kiloscouple of changes but very fast15:29
psyatwhi Kilos15:29
charl_hi psyatw :)15:29
charl_how's it going15:29
psyatw:)15:29
Kiloshi psyatw 15:29
psyatwdoing well15:29
psyatwstill stuck in Poland15:29
charl_ah15:30
charl_well here it's raining right now15:30
psyatwand you?15:30
charl_big surprise lol15:30
psyatwhaha15:30
charl_no i'm doing really well actually15:30
psyatwbe glad it´s not the UK15:30
charl_exciting times for me15:30
psyatwoh15:30
psyatwtell me more15:30
gerritfromsacharl_, no harm intended15:30
charl_yeah indeed the uk people never even see the sunlight15:30
charl_gerritfromsa: right... right...15:30
charl_too late now :P15:30
psyatwhoi gerritfromsa15:30
psyatwhaha15:30
gerritfromsaLoving AndoiIRC on my Galaxy Note ...15:31
Kiloscharl_: be nice to our new member15:31
Kilosoh gerritfromsa i tried the android pc iso but coundnt get it to work15:31
Kilosinstalled but then hung15:32
gerritfromsaI got it running on a VM but then sat back and I was like - what the hell ?15:32
Kilosmy sis has a tablet thing and always asking for help15:32
gerritfromsaIf you have touch it's better ..15:33
Kilosisnt it the same as the mobile version15:33
Kilosna pc old15:33
Kiloscharl_: find the workspace switcher man15:33
gerritfromsaI got a chrome book and it was the same thing ...15:33
Kiloshard work using kboard15:33
gerritfromsaI have a saying : If you can't open it -it's not yours15:34
Kilosthem tablets are horrible imo15:34
gerritfromsaand I like to fiddle ...15:34
Kilosthats lekker another fiddler15:34
gerritfromsaHacked my chromebook to run Linux ... cheapest laptop EVER15:35
Kiloslol15:35
gerritfromsaWas $199 and I bought it there .. so no import duties etc etc15:35
Kilosim a hardware fiddler15:35
Kilosbreak things often15:35
gerritfromsaRaspberry PI is the no1 thing to fiddle with ...15:36
gerritfromsaOnly R449 incl VAT from pifactory.co.za15:37
gerritfromsaNow there's an idea for the Nov 25th meeting !15:38
gerritfromsaBuilding a video server with a Pi ... so relevant to South Africa ...15:39
gerritfromsaPi and a few usb cams linux running motion and voila !15:40
gerritfromsathere must be a project page for this , let me google ... 15:41
* gerritfromsa is back (gone 00:23:37)15:42
Kiloshmm...15:43
Kilosquite a few of the guys have them15:43
gerritfromsafound a link but they're using vnc , can do better with apache or mini-httpd ....15:44
gerritfromsahttp://pingbin.com/2012/12/raspberry-pi-web-cam-server-motion/15:44
gerritfromsabut its way to easy - will only take 5 minutes ...15:45
gerritfromsawould be nice if you combine asterisk so that it calls you when there's movement in your yard !15:47
charl_Kilos: sorry i don't have it here right now... at home atm and my laptop isn't upgraded yet15:49
Kilosnp charl_ 15:49
Kilosgerritfromsa: you know asterisk?15:49
Kilosone of the guys is battling with the one he has to keep going15:50
gerritfromsavery well yes15:50
Kiloscool when magespawn gets here tell him15:50
Kiloshe does it at a game ranch15:50
Kilosgame park15:50
gerritfromsamagespawn - from PE right ?15:53
gerritfromsaseen him on #asterisk15:53
* gerritfromsa is away: Taking a walk outside ...15:54
Kiloshluhluwe15:58
* gerritfromsa is back (gone 00:06:59)16:01
Kiloshehe16:06
Kiloscan one get one of those google sites and sell stuff from there16:06
* gerritfromsa is away: Taking a walk outside ...16:22
Kiloshaha16:25
Kiloshi Mezenir 16:26
Kiloshmm...16:57
Mezenirhey kilos17:04
Mezenirhows it going ?17:04
Kilosgood ty and you?17:04
Mezenirgood thanks17:04
Kilosyo Snowy2 17:37
Kiloswb nlsthzn 17:38
nlsthznthanks17:38
nlsthzn :)17:38
inetprogood evening18:12
inetproKilos: sorry for not getting back to you this morn18:12
inetprowas another tough day18:12
Kilosnp inetpro 18:13
Kilosim playing on 13.10 kde18:13
inetproKilos: well done!18:14
Kilosbut they hid the workspace switcher18:15
* inetpro will wait for 14.0418:15
Kilosand setting up 3g is an art18:15
inetproKilos: nee man18:15
Kilosya man18:15
inetprowhat you mean?18:15
Kilosi dont know why they moving away from stuff that works18:16
Kilosits not all in nm18:16
inetprowhat you mean with workspace switcher?18:16
Kilosyou gotta go settings then open something and move mobile stuffs to the right block and then make it work in there and then only connect18:17
Kilosand no auto connect button anymore18:17
Kilosgrrrrr18:17
Kilosits getting like modern cars. you cant fix it yourself18:18
Kilosneed a special computer to tell you whats wrong18:18
inetproKilos: what do you mean with workspace switcher?18:18
Kilosthose little black blocks next to the launcher18:18
Kilosthat hidden now18:19
Kilosgotta ctrl=F1 and more18:19
inetproyou mean the pager?18:19
Kilosctrl+F1-10 here18:19
Kiloseish is it called a pager now18:20
inetproremember this is kubuntu18:20
inetproit's never been called the workspace something meggafter18:20
Kilosbut it installs super fast18:20
Kilos15 mins on single core p4 and 12 mins on here18:21
inetprowhat hot keys did you used to use?18:21
Kiloson 12.04 kde there are them little black blocks on the left on the bottom panel18:21
Kilosi used them before18:21
Kilosall keys cool here18:22
Kilosno hot keys i type to slow18:22
inetproKilos: here's an old page talking about the Desktop Pager: http://www.kubuntu.org/docs/kquickguide/C/ch02s02.html18:23
Kilosanyway im working through things18:23
Kilosyou gotta spray banweed18:23
inetproThe desktop pager is a square with a default of four numbered sections. Each section represents a virtual desktop.....18:23
Kilosbefore the dubbeltjies seed18:23
Kilosya thats the thing18:24
inetproif it's missing by default it's probably just available as a widget18:24
inetprogo add it from the widgets18:25
Kilosi looked through them all but wasnt looking for a pager18:25
Kiloswill try that ty18:25
Kilosgotta find the wallpapers too. not too keen on blue18:26
inetproactually here's the more modern description: http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/Pager18:26
Kilosbut konversation bloeps18:26
superflyBLOEP!18:27
Kilosbell.ogg18:27
superflytumbleweed: ping?18:27
inetprosuperfly: hi18:28
superflyhi inetpro18:28
superflyinetpro: have you seen ownCloud ?18:28
Kilosya that thing inetpro 18:28
inetprosuperfly: yes and no18:29
inetproI've seen ownCloud but haven't used it18:29
inetproyet18:29
superflyyour own personal drop box18:29
inetprosomething I have to try18:29
superflyand with version 6, you can edit LibreOffice documents IN YOUR BROWSER YO!18:29
inetprothat I noticed18:30
inetprothat sounds very cool indeed18:30
Kiloshaha found the pager ty18:37
tumbleweedsuperfly: hi18:37
magespawngood evening18:39
superflytumbleweed: I'm having a very strange issue with my work PC, and I can't figure it out exactly. Running Debian unstable, and once KDE has started up, and all the apps on autostart have started, any GUI apps that use Qt in any way no longer start18:39
superflyhi magespawn18:39
superflytumbleweed: do you know where i'd be able to get some help with this?18:39
Kiloshi magespawn we got a asterisk guy for you18:40
superflyI've Googled and not come up with anything conclusive18:40
magespawnhey superfly and Kilos18:40
magespawnreally? cool beans18:40
Kilosgerritfromsa: says he knows it very well18:41
magespawnyes i was chatting in #asterisk the other day with and a couple of the other guys18:41
magespawn^him18:41
Private_Userevening people, sorry Kilos, was not at my computer the whole day, so what does this command do?18:43
tumbleweedsuperfly: tail .xsession-errors?18:44
superflytumbleweed: nothing there :-/18:44
tumbleweedsuperfly: strace?18:44
Kiloswhich one Private_User ?18:44
superflyI thought it might be that, I also thought it might be dbus18:44
superflytumbleweed: I'll try that.18:44
Private_Usersudo aptitude install lubuntu-restricted-extras lubuntu-restricted-addons18:44
Kilosoh that adds some things not available in the basic install18:45
Private_Userok what type of things?18:46
magespawnKilos I think is also adds the mp3 and dvd codecs which are not free, it might also add things like screensavers, i forget18:46
superflytumbleweed: looks like that will be quite useful, thanks!18:47
* superfly will try it tomorrow18:47
tumbleweedsuperfly: if that fails, I guess it's time to dive in with gdb18:47
superflytumbleweed: yeah, that's what I was figuring18:48
superflyI just haven't had the time to dig into it recently, work has been hectic18:48
tumbleweedyeah, that's why I don't run unstable on my laptop. things like this do happen18:49
Private_Userok thanks18:50
superflytumbleweed: it was happening in Kubuntu too, which is why it is frustrating me - I installed Debian to get away from it, and it has followed me. What's also weird is that I'm running unstable here at home, and the only problem I have is when the nvidia drivers decide they're not installed18:51
tumbleweedsuperfly: #debian-kde / #kubuntu?18:54
superflytumbleweed: yeah, I'll try them once I've run strace. Thanks for the help!18:54
tumbleweednp18:54
Kilosbut , inetpro 13.10 kde is much faster than 12.04 unity18:56
Kilosand it put the pager on the right this time18:56
Kiloshehe18:56
inetproKilos: nice18:58
inetprothat is good news18:59
Kilosvery fast it is18:59
Kiloslike i said 12 mins install to rebbot time18:59
Kilos12.04 was 2518:59
Kilosi like it19:00
inetprowow19:01
inetprothat's half19:01
magespawncool beans Kilos19:04
Kilosyeah very fast i was shocked19:04
charl_hi inetpro 19:05
magespawnthats the kind of thing where you get your book out to wait and the thing has already loaded19:05
charl_hi magespawn 19:05
Kiloswill be rocket dust on a quadcore machine19:05
magespawnhi ChanServ 19:05
Kiloslol yeah19:05
magespawnhi charl_ 19:05
magespawnlol19:05
charl_magespawn: ChanServ says hi :)19:05
Kiloshaha19:06
magespawnright19:06
Kilostwits19:06
magespawnhah19:06
Kilosthe noobs be clever magespawn 19:08
Kilosone does web design and other does lots more and asterisk19:08
charl_magespawn: long time no speak to, how's the new job going19:08
Kiloswants to talk about asterisk stuff at next meet19:08
Kilosor using a PI to do stuff19:09
Kilosi forget now19:09
Kilosyou miss lots when you arent here man19:10
magespawncharl_, pretty hectic at the moment, still getting used to how things work, and trying to sort everything out19:12
charl_yeah it's always like that with a new job, ask me, i know19:12
magespawnsorry Kilos, it is going to be a little longer then my adsl will have been moved and i can set up my quassel server again19:13
Kilosnm i forgive you19:13
magespawncharl_, this is the first time i have ever worked on a large-ish company, it has always been small places before this19:14
charl_i am currently scouting around for a new job myself actually19:15
charl_so far i have had two very positive responses and two really negative responses19:16
charl_i'm starting to realise i put myself on some type of niche pillar, but that's also a good thing19:17
* gerritfromsa is back (gone 02:56:58)19:19
charl_hi nlsthzn 19:20
nlsthznhey19:20
charl_how's it going19:20
nlsthznI am fine thanks and yourself?19:20
charl_i'm great19:20
nlsthznawesome19:20
* nlsthzn busy trying to get a monochrome icon for xchat to display in the taskbar... not as easy as it sounds :/19:21
nlsthznbrb19:22
Kilosai19:22
charl_wb Kilos 19:22
gerritfromsafolders finally rsynced ... 19:22
Kilosstupid e22019:22
Kilosgerritfromsa: chat to magespawn 19:23
charl_i used to have a huawei e220 usb hsdpa modem19:23
Kilosty charl_ 19:23
gerritfromsamagespawn, we should stop meeting like this ...19:23
charl_is that what you're talking about Kilos ?19:23
Kiloslol19:23
Kilosya19:23
charl_haha ! that was from years ago, funny i just thought about it when you mentioned it19:24
Kilosbut its lekker fast i got up to 500kB/s while downloading19:24
Kilosits got some timeout thing in it19:25
gerritfromsaon 3g myself ... better than adsl where I live.19:25
Kilosthis new kde see if but 12.04 refuses19:25
Kilossigh19:25
Kilosso now i cant just reboot to another drive i gotta change sim in modems19:26
Kilosaw no one said hi to herrie19:26
Kilosshame19:26
Kilosnou is hy die herrie in19:27
inetproMaaz: coffee on19:27
* Maaz washes some mugs19:27
inetproKilos: sorry oom19:28
KilosMaaz: coffie please19:28
MaazKilos: *blink*19:28
Kilosai!19:28
Kilossorry for what19:28
gerritfromsaMaaz, got my msg regarding wget ?19:28
Maazgerritfromsa: Huh?19:28
KilosMaaz: coffee please19:28
MaazKilos: Alrighty19:28
inetprofor not greeting the herrie in guy19:28
Kilosoh ty19:29
Kiloshehe19:29
Kilosi didnt see him19:29
KilosMaaz: large19:29
MaazIn a beer mug just for you Kilos19:29
inetprogerritfromsa: Maaz is a bot19:29
gerritfromsaseems to be the case ...19:30
Kilosgerritfromsa: if there is a message from him you get it as soon as you chat and it normally opens a pm windows if you login in and theres one19:30
gerritfromsagot it19:30
gerritfromsaI mean i get it19:30
KilosMaaz: with cremora19:30
MaazAh! At last someone with taste19:30
KilosMaaz: and milk19:31
MaazNow you're talking19:31
MaazCoffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!19:31
inetproMaaz: dankie19:32
MaazGroot plesier inetpro my vriend19:32
KilosMaaz: dankie man19:32
MaazGroot plesier my vriend19:32
Kiloshmm...19:32
gerritfromsaquick question - what v6 client do you guys prefer to use ?19:32
* inetpro enjoys a sip of virtual coffee19:32
inetprogerritfromsa: v6 client?19:33
magespawnhey gerritfromsa 19:33
gerritfromsaIpv6 tunnel client ? 19:33
charl_miredo19:33
charl_for teredo19:33
gerritfromsaMicrosoft ... eish19:34
inetprogerritfromsa: ahh, interesting question19:34
Kiloshaha19:34
Kilosmicrostinks19:34
charl_i used to have a sixxs tunnel, used aiccu19:34
charl_gerritfromsa: it's the only way to get a simple tunnel going without too much fuss19:34
* inetpro unfortunately has not yet worked with ipv619:34
gerritfromsause gogo619:34
charl_gerritfromsa: just because it was invented by microsoft doesn't automatically make it bad19:34
gerritfromsanot automatically but eventually ...19:35
charl_eventually ?!19:35
magespawnha19:35
magespawnn other words, after a few years of development and improvements19:36
charl_you lost me, if i insert that into my above sentence it still doesn't make sense19:36
charl_so if you give it enough time, that it was invented by microsoft doesn't matter?19:37
magespawnjust a bit of a joke really19:37
Kilosmagespawn: gerritfromsa uses fedora and centos19:37
magespawnvista and windows 819:37
magespawnare they not very close to each other?19:38
gerritfromsavista !!!! serious ?19:38
charl_no windows 7 had huge improvements on the kernel level19:38
charl_windows 8 is just an all-round disaster19:38
charl_and windows 8.1 is an even bigger disaster than windows 819:39
magespawni was saying about fedora and centos19:39
gerritfromsacoincidentally after microsoft acquired Suse Linux ...19:39
charl_oh sorry, two threads got mixed :)19:39
magespawnvista and win 8 have a lot in common then19:39
gerritfromsathat right microsoft bought into linux ... wow19:39
charl_yeah, a next iteration making things even worse than the previous version19:40
magespawnthey bought Suse Linux? did not know that19:40
charl_yeah me neither19:40
charl_to be honest i have not been following suse for a number of years, even though it was one of the first distros i used19:40
gerritfromsapart of a Novell acquisition19:40
gerritfromsajust like oracle bought Open Office , Virtualbix and MySQL from IBM ...19:41
gerritfromsaOpen Office evolved into Libre Office ...19:42
gerritfromsaand MySQL evolved into MariaDB ...19:42
gerritfromsasoftware is just getting better ...19:42
magespawnseen now, i learn a lot just in the space of a few minutes19:43
Kiloslol19:43
charl_mariadb is a *fork* of mysql, mysql didn't "evolve" into mariadb though19:43
charl_open office though is doomed, let's face it19:43
gerritfromsait's nbo fork - it's a drop in replacement with a improved core19:44
charl_well innodb isn't exactly looking bad at the moment either19:44
charl_and that's also gpl licensed... but managed by oracle unfortunately19:44
Kilosnight all. sleep tight. see youall tomorrow again19:45
charl_what is this about apache having taken over open office now19:45
gerritfromsaopen office could possibly be revived by mozilla - they have taken over development19:45
charl_ciao Kilos 19:45
charl_mozilla ?19:45
superflyDid MariaDB manage to get InnoDB to follow with it, or are they having to drop InnoDB support?19:45
inetprogood night oom Kilos19:45
charl_you mean apache?19:45
gerritfromsayes they have already releases a online version of open office19:45
gerritfromsasoon serious competition for office 365 ...19:46
gerritfromsathen we can all offer office functionality over the cloud !19:46
gerritfromsathe future looks rosy19:46
charl_i think you have some of your facts mixed up19:47
magespawnnight Kilos19:47
charl_what is this about novell being bought by microsoft - they were aquired by the attachmate group in 201119:47
gerritfromsaPART of novell was acquired by microsoft just as PART of IBM was sold to oracle19:48
gerritfromsanot the entire company ...19:48
superflycharl_: attachmate group is owned by a set of companies, including MS, IIRC19:48
superflynot that it's making a difference to SuSE, it seems. They're still as strong as ever.19:49
charl_can't find it back on the wikipedia, but maybe that's possible19:49
inetprosuperfly: XtraDB is a fork of InnoDB created and maintained by Percona19:49
inetproXtraDB is completely compatible with InnoDB19:50
charl_"Novell now operates as two separate business units under the Novell and SUSE brand names and joins Attachmate and NetIQ as holdings of The Attachmate Group. Certain intellectual property assets are planned to be sold to CPTN Holdings, a consortium of companies led by Microsoft.[24]"19:50
charl_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attachmate19:50
Symmetriahrm19:50
superflyAh, there you go.19:51
gerritfromsahttp://blogs.computerworld.com/17416/who_really_bought_novell_microsoft19:51
gerritfromsanot that it matters because Linux is the future19:52
charl_interesting theory19:52
Symmetrialo19:52
gerritfromsaLinux administrators already earn 40% more than there windows counterparts worldwide19:52
charl_but it's a *theory* mind you19:52
Symmetriawow juniper is using puppet 19:52
charl_hi Symmetria 19:53
Symmetriato do automated router config deployment19:53
Symmetriathats cool19:53
gerritfromsaI got one word for you - Android !19:53
Symmetriaand they do chef as well19:53
gerritfromsaSymmetria, you running the script with expect ?19:54
Symmetriagerrit no, they prefer NOT to do expect, its all xml based stuff 19:55
gerritfromsathats nice , xml is clean19:56
charl_readable, but bloated19:56
charl_inetpro: btw, i still wanted to pass this by you19:56
charl_i finally managed to get some of my thoughts down on "paper" (so to speak) http://charl.eu/e2ee/19:56
inetprocharl_: hmm...19:57
charl_i still need to sit down and write it up properly though with some diagrams19:57
charl_been really busy the last month, a lot of things are happening atm19:57
inetproI will check that when I have time... maybe in a few weeks from now19:57
charl_no problem i will not have any time in the next few weeks either19:57
magespawnahh nothing like planning19:57
charl_first need to get my jobs sorted out and everything19:58
charl_haha19:58
magespawnthat seems to be a common problem19:58
charl_nah it's just a lot of things are happening, you know when they say these things come in bundles ?19:59
charl_where you have a lot of stuff to do in a very short space of time19:59
magespawnas always, not enough time in the day20:00
superflymine don't come in bundles, in my case more and more is added to the pile20:12
magespawngood night night all20:55

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