[05:51] <Kilos> morning all
[06:22] <nuvolari_> o/ morning oom Kilos 
[06:22] <Kilos> morning nuvolari_ Private_User 
[06:23] <Kilos> gaan dit goed nuvolari_ ?
[06:23] <Kilos> hoekom die stert
[06:23] <nuvolari> dit gaan goed dankie en met oom?
[06:23] <nuvolari> nee ek weet nie oom
[06:23] <Kilos> goed dankie
[06:23] <nuvolari> :P
[06:24] <Kilos> Private_User, theres something i wanted to tell you, but forgotten atm , will try remember
[06:25] <Kilos> ek het in die nag kubuntu 13.10 instaleer
[06:25] <Kilos> baie vinnig. 12m install to reboot
[06:25] <Kilos> maar  hulle maak goed meer ingewikkeled met elke release
[06:28] <Kilos> something to do with restricted and restricted-addons
[06:28] <Kilos> im not sure if lubuntu has them or not
[06:31] <Kilos> yes it does
[06:32] <Kilos> Private_User, do sudo aptitude install lubuntu-restricted-extras lubuntu-restricted-addons
[06:33] <Kilos> you might need them for design work
[06:43] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 Resu_Etavirp 
[06:43] <Kilos> haha
[06:49] <mazal> Morning everyone
[06:49] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[06:50] <mazal> Does anybody know if wget will donwload a file again if it already exist ?
[06:51] <Kilos> maybe if its not in the same place
[06:51] <Kilos> but it should warn you anyway
[06:52] <Kilos> you can rename the old one if its in /home
[06:52] <mazal> Same place , for example I add a wget script to cron , it downloads , I forget to remove it. Will it download the next day again ?
[06:52] <Kilos> might offer to overwrite
[06:52] <mazal> Or will it see the same file is there already and just stop
[06:52] <Kilos> havent got there yet
[06:53] <mazal> Remember this is via cron , so user not present to give inputs
[06:53] <Kilos> why you wanna get another of the same files?
[06:53] <Kilos> you gotta try it first then directly and see what happens
[06:53] <mazal> no I'm still battling with scheduled downloading. Seems Ubuntu doesn't have a proper download manager
[06:54] <mazal> Everything I tried so far either doesn't have scheduling , or the one that have just doesn't work at all
[06:54] <Kilos> hmm... i looked at that the other day
[06:54] <Kilos> Maaz, google downloadmanager for 12.04
[06:54] <Maaz> Kilos: "Download manager for Ubuntu 12.04 and Google Chrome - Ask ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/315056/download-manager-for-ubuntu-12-04-and-google-chrome :: "12.04 - What is the best downloading program for ubuntu? - Ask ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/180397/what-is-the-best-downloading-program-for-ubuntu :: "Install uGet Download Manager 1.10.3 in
[06:54] <Maaz> Ubuntu 12.10/12.04 and ..." http://www.tecmint.com/install-uget-download-manager-1-10-3-in-ub…
[06:54] <mazal> At this stage I actually do my scheduled downloads with my Win 7 partition as Ubuntu doesn't have a proper app for it
[06:55] <Kilos> ouch
[06:55] <mazal> Best ones so far is downthemall ( firefox add-on ) and fatrat , but neither can schedule
[06:56] <Kilos> just look in /home if you have that file already
[06:56] <Kilos> and just rename it 
[06:56] <mazal> So looks like the long time consuming way of a script with bunch of wget command for every file is the only way
[06:57] <Kilos> also look at wget -c that might see the file is already there and add any extras
[06:58] <Kilos> morning superfly 
[07:00] <superfly> hi Kilos
[07:06] <Kilos> mazal, you gotta give wget the direct link to the file you want to get.
[07:07] <Vince-0> G'day
[07:07] <Kilos> so go to the site and get to the file you want then right click copy link or something and thats the link you give wget
[07:09] <Kilos> hope that helps you
[07:15] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:15] <inetpro> oh and hi Kilos
[07:23] <Kilos> ohi inetpro 
[07:24] <Kilos> inetpro, kubuntu 13.10 is very lekker but more involved to get 3g working
[07:24] <Kilos> installs super fast
[07:37] <Kilos> hi gerritfromsa welcome to ubuntu-za
[07:37] <gerritfromsa> Kilos, cheers
[07:38] <gerritfromsa> 1st time a join this one , whats the latest discussion ?
[07:38] <Kilos> we help new peeps here
[07:38] <Kilos> praat ook die taal
[07:39] <gerritfromsa> pragtag !
[07:39] <Kilos> is jy op ubuntu?
[07:40] <Kilos> ons het ook n afrikaans kanaal #ubuntu-afr
[07:40] <gerritfromsa> eientlik Fedora/Centos user maar Linux is Linux ...
[07:40] <Kilos> ja ons gebruik als en help waar ons kan
[07:41] <Kilos> daar is ouens hier op mint en slitaz en ander snaakse goed
[07:41] <gerritfromsa> Mint is great
[07:41] <Kilos> centos is harde werk
[07:42] <gerritfromsa> Scripts help baie ...
[07:42] <Kilos> haha so jy is een van die slimmes
[07:42] <gerritfromsa> Hokaai
[07:43] <Kilos> jy moet ons kom help hier. ek glo nie hier is n fedora gebruiker nie
[07:44] <gerritfromsa> verskille is maar klein ...
[07:49] <Kilos> hi bduk1 
[08:00] <Kilos> wbb gonna try sort modem
[08:02] <bduk1> Good morning all
[08:22] <gerritfromsa> morning
[09:08] <charl_> good morning all
[09:08] <charl_> hi bduk1, gerritfromsa 
[09:09] <gerritfromsa> charl_, morning
[09:12] <gerritfromsa> charl_, where from?
[09:23] <charl_> gerritfromsa: where what from?
[09:23] <charl_> looks like sql - select * from some_table where some_field = 1
[09:26] <gerritfromsa> you
[09:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning peeps
[09:41] <charl_> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[09:41] <charl_> how's it going
[09:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> all good this side, you?
[09:52] <charl_> i'm doing great thanks
[09:54] <charl_> hi maiatoday 
[09:57] <maiatoday> hi charl_ 
[10:01] <charl_> how's it going
[10:17] <gerritfromsa> back
[11:22] <Kilos> inetpro, het jy al begin daai goed spyt?
[11:22] <Kilos> tribulus terrestris
[11:24] <inetpro> Kilos: what is that?
[11:24] <Kilos> dubbeltjies
[11:45]  * nlsthzn hates dubbeltjies...
[11:45] <nlsthzn> so many punchers when I was using a bike :p
[11:55] <Kilos> s/spyt/spuit
[11:58] <Kilos> lol
[11:58] <Kilos> terrible things
[11:58] <Kilos> arent you thinking of duiwel dorings
[11:58] <Kilos> those three point things
[12:00] <gerritfromsa> anyone using utorrent from command line?
[12:00] <gerritfromsa> got some night owl bandwidth to kill
[12:00] <Kilos> nlsthzn, say hi the new guy
[12:00] <Kilos> lol
[12:01] <Kilos> i downloaded an iso and upgraded it with mine last 2 nights
[12:01] <Kilos> painful the late nights thought
[12:02] <Kilos> though
[12:02] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[12:05] <gerritfromsa> that why I want to crontab it
[12:06] <gerritfromsa> eztv.it for all the latest TV shows
[12:09] <Kilos> lol
[12:09] <Kilos> mazal, heres another crontab guy
[12:10] <mazal> I need a wget one :P
[12:11] <mazal> Have 2 wget problems
[12:11] <gerritfromsa> yes
[12:11] <gerritfromsa> wget is your friend
[12:11] <mazal> Struggling with it
[12:12] <mazal> First question gerritfromsa is just some info needed , haven't tested it yet :
[12:12] <gerritfromsa> what do you want to do?
[12:12] <mazal> I create a scrypt with 3 wget commands for 3 different files ok
[12:12] <mazal> I schedule that scrypt with cron
[12:13] <mazal> Now my question , let's say wget finishes those downloads , and I forget to remove scrypt from cron
[12:13] <mazal> Will it dl the files next day again ? Or will it see them there and just skip the commands and end ?
[12:14] <mazal> Basically using it as a scheduled download manager
[12:15] <nlsthzn> yawn..
[12:15] <nlsthzn> hate being on leave I never wake up
[12:15] <nlsthzn> until it is time for bed
[12:16] <Kilos> hehe
[12:17] <gerritfromsa> you can use a switch in wget to ignore files you already have ... wait
[12:17] <gerritfromsa> just cheking the man page
[12:18] <gerritfromsa> mazal, OK if you add the -N switch it will not download the file again unless it's newer
[12:19] <mazal> Must be capital letter yes ?
[12:19] <gerritfromsa> mazal, so instead of wget http://URL/file use wget -N http://URL/file
[12:20] <gerritfromsa> mazal, Yes capital N and I would also add the -q switch when used in a cron for no output or 'quite' mode
[12:20] <gerritfromsa> mazal, wget -N -q http://URL/file
[12:20] <mazal> So for example , the following one will both continue if not finished as well as do nothing if it's already finished : ?
[12:20] <mazal> wget -cN --tries=0 --progress=bar -O /home/mazal/ubuntu-12.04.3-server-amd64.iso http://ftp.is.co.za/linux/distributions/ubuntu/releases/precise/ubuntu-12.04.3-server-amd64.iso
[12:20] <Kilos> gerritfromsa, welcome to ubuntu-za
[12:21] <Kilos> at least you understand man pages
[12:22] <Kilos> i dont understand greek
[12:22] <gerritfromsa> watch out for combining switches unless they are specified to be used along one another , because some combination does something else
[12:22] <mazal> Yeah the man page for that switch just says " Turn on timestamping ". I would never figure that means " Don't download unless newer "
[12:24] <gerritfromsa> Remember that wget is actually a HTTP_GET request and in the same way your browser will include an "If not modified" in the TCP header when you surf a webpage
[12:24] <gerritfromsa> in the same way you add that to the wget request
[12:24] <mazal> Thank you gerritfromsa 
[12:25] <mazal> Now my second one I been struggling for a while , have it on the mailing list as well
[12:25] <mazal> I want to download just 1 sub folder from a web site.
[12:25] <gerritfromsa> also remember that you can specify the month and day n cron so that it will only run once this year ...
[12:26] <gerritfromsa> with wget -R you can actually rip of the entire page
[12:26]  * nlsthzn is having a hard time with vbox >.< ... just can't seem to get the kernel module to work (not ubuntu, LMDE)... grrrr
[12:26] <mazal> That's not an option as sometimes the download don't finish in time and need to be continued the next day
[12:26] <gerritfromsa> UNLESS the web master has put a ROBOTS.txt fiel in his/her root folder
[12:26] <mazal> and sometimes it will be finished. All depends on the day and how many files I add
[12:26] <mazal> Ok , now that second question
[12:27] <mazal> I have tried the following 3 command , all without success :
[12:27] <mazal> wget -r my.example.com/folder
[12:27] <mazal> wget -rnH my.example.com/folder
[12:27] <mazal> wget -nh my.example.com/folder
[12:28] <mazal> In the first two cases it keeps downloading the whole site and in the 3rd case only 1 file
[12:28] <mazal> Sorry that 3rd one is also a caital H
[12:28] <mazal> capital even
[12:28] <gerritfromsa> OK the last makes sence - most likely the index.* file 
[12:29] <mazal> yep
[12:29] <gerritfromsa> try this quickly wget -r my.example.com.folder/*
[12:29] <mazal> k
[12:30] <mazal> not found error
[12:30] <gerritfromsa> ubuntu ?
[12:31] <mazal> http://guides.gamepressure.com/resistance3/*
[12:31] <mazal> Without the star it works , but downloads whole site
[12:31] <mazal> with start I get 404 not found
[12:31] <gerritfromsa> both works with centos , OK hang in there we'll find a way
[12:39] <gerritfromsa> mazal, OK try this #wget -nh --cut-dirs=1 my.example.com/folder
[12:39] <gerritfromsa> mazal, this stop at 1 directory deep
[12:41] <mazal> Does nothing , only creates the subfolder name and downloads nothing
[12:42] <mazal> And it creates the folder name in an html file ?
[12:42] <gerritfromsa> try =2
[12:42] <mazal> only downloads index.html
[12:45] <mazal> Seems I will have to dl the whole site and delete afterwards what I don't want lol
[12:46] <gerritfromsa> i'm on it
[12:47] <mazal> Time to go for me , thanx for the help gerritfromsa , can you tell maaz to tell me if you got the right combo please
[12:48] <gerritfromsa> Maaz, wil do
[12:48] <Maaz> gerritfromsa: Huh?
[12:48] <gerritfromsa> Maaz, check msg from mazal 
[12:48] <Maaz> gerritfromsa: Huh?
[12:48] <mazal> Like in so :
[12:48] <mazal> Maaz tell mazal " whatever "
[12:48] <Maaz> mazal: Got it, I'll tell mazal on freenode
[12:49] <mazal> .
[12:49] <Maaz> mazal: By the way, mazal on freenode told me "tell mazal " whatever "" 22 seconds ago
[12:49] <Kilos> gerritfromsa, you type in Maaz tell nick on freenode   "message"
[12:49] <Kilos> oh my
[12:50] <mazal> Cheers everyone , enjoy your evening
[12:50] <mazal> Bye oom
[12:50] <bduk1> Bye all
[12:57] <nlsthzn> so anyone here checked out makulu linux yet?
[12:58] <gerritfromsa> sounds makulukulu
[13:02] <nlsthzn> don't know about that but thus far there seems to much emphasis on cosmetics and not enough on anything else :/
[13:03] <gerritfromsa> Maaz, you can tell your connection there isn't a way to just get 1 folder with wget but you can specify that it only goes 1 folder deep
[13:03] <Maaz> gerritfromsa: I already know stuff about you
[13:03] <gerritfromsa> Maaz, thats the wonder of the internet my friend
[13:03] <Maaz> gerritfromsa: *blink*
[13:04] <gerritfromsa> Maaz, tell mazal you can also set wget to ignore certain file types - that will also save him downloading unwanted files
[13:04] <Maaz> gerritfromsa: Sure, I'll tell mazal on freenode
[13:05]  * nlsthzn sees some confusion
[13:10] <gerritfromsa> you mean like your name and stuff Mr.Snyman
[13:10] <gerritfromsa> and you friend Mr.Sharpe
[13:11] <nlsthzn> ?
[13:51] <Kilos> sigh power went off and when returned i thought lets try new kde but couldnt get here because the keyboard gave a pound sign instead of a hash
[13:51] <Kilos> what a battle to find id chosen english uk instead of us
[13:52] <Kilos> what a twit
[13:52] <Kilos> now to configure konversation from scratch
[13:53] <nlsthzn> hate it when that happens
[13:55] <nlsthzn> crossover being so annoying... every now and again I can't launch it from the menu or synapse etc... it just goes missing and then I install again and it carries on where it was :/
[13:57] <Kilos> eish nlsthznyou dont often struggle
[13:57] <Kilos> thats my domain
[13:57] <Kilos> eish no space after tab complete
[13:57] <Kilos> sigh
[13:59] <Kilos> im too old for this
[13:59] <Kilos> i go fetch sheep, them i can kick if they dont listen
[13:59] <nlsthzn> :0
[13:59] <nlsthzn> :0
[13:59] <nlsthzn> :)
[13:59] <Kilos> haha
[14:00] <nlsthzn> at least everything installed with crossover is still there and working... if I had to re-install all that I would go nuts
[14:05] <Kilos> hiya maiatodayyou ok girl?
[14:05] <Kilos> ai!
[14:12] <Kilos> nlsthzn: ha thats fixed
[14:13] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday 
[14:13] <maiatoday> hi Kilos
[14:13] <Kilos> you ok girl?
[14:13] <Kilos> still busy all the time
[14:13] <maiatoday> hehe always Kilos, it never stops
[14:13] <maiatoday> but I like it like that
[14:14] <Kilos> ya but we miss you man
[14:14] <Kilos> girl
[14:14] <maiatoday>  I can't do Monday evenings anymore, which is a sad thing. But I am around
[14:15] <Kilos> what is a good day for you?
[14:15] <Kilos> ill start a petition and go on strike 
[14:16] <Kilos> charl_: ping
[14:18] <maiatoday> Not Mondays or Thursdays, but I don't want everybody to shift just because of me.
[14:26] <Kilos> i do
[14:26] <Kilos> i miss you
[14:29] <Kilos> oh gerritfromsa we have community meetings here once a month, everyone welcome
[14:32] <gerritfromsa> whereat ?
[14:34] <Kilos> here
[14:34] <Kilos> what irc client do you use?
[14:34] <Kilos> irssi i spose
[14:35] <Kilos> without a topic panel
[14:36] <gerritfromsa> xchat ;) not that backward
[14:42] <Kilos> oh my thats lekker
[14:42] <Kilos> i love xchat and second is conversation
[14:42] <Kilos> konversation
[14:43] <gerritfromsa> kde rules
[14:43] <Kilos> you must try the new kubuntu
[14:43] <Kilos> installed here in 12 minutes
[14:43] <Kilos> ond this pc is old
[14:45] <Kilos> but they hid the workspace switcher and now gotta use ctrl+F1-10
[14:52] <gerritfromsa> Kilos, when is the meeting ?
[14:53] <Kilos> next one on the 25th
[14:53] <gerritfromsa> time?
[14:53] <Kilos> dont you see it in the topic at the top?
[14:53] <Kilos> 20.30
[14:53] <Kilos> links to our mailing list andagenda for the meet and so on
[14:54] <gerritfromsa> got it ... saw the topic ... I'll try be there
[14:54] <Kilos> cool
[14:54] <Kilos> if you got any ideas to discuss you can add to the agenda
[14:54] <Kilos> we need new ideas
[15:02] <Kilos> Squirm: you on holiday yet?
[15:13] <nuvolari> meh, anyone with ontology/openrdf knowledge around?
[15:13] <nuvolari> pleeeze
[15:27] <charl_> Kilos: i'm back
[15:28] <Kilos> ohi what did they do with the workspace switcher in 13.10 kde
[15:28] <charl_> gerritfromsa: using irssi is backward according to you?
[15:28] <Kilos> i dont like to remember ctrl+F1-10
[15:28] <Kilos> haha
[15:29] <charl_> Kilos: coming to think of it, haven't used it long enough to bother checking
[15:29] <charl_> kde on ubuntu 13.10 i mean
[15:29] <psyatw> hi charl_
[15:29] <charl_> i installed it inside a VM a week or two ago and was just playing with it for a while
[15:29] <Kilos> couple of changes but very fast
[15:29] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[15:29] <charl_> hi psyatw :)
[15:29] <charl_> how's it going
[15:29] <psyatw> :)
[15:29] <Kilos> hi psyatw 
[15:29] <psyatw> doing well
[15:29] <psyatw> still stuck in Poland
[15:30] <charl_> ah
[15:30] <charl_> well here it's raining right now
[15:30] <psyatw> and you?
[15:30] <charl_> big surprise lol
[15:30] <psyatw> haha
[15:30] <charl_> no i'm doing really well actually
[15:30] <psyatw> be glad it´s not the UK
[15:30] <charl_> exciting times for me
[15:30] <psyatw> oh
[15:30] <psyatw> tell me more
[15:30] <gerritfromsa> charl_, no harm intended
[15:30] <charl_> yeah indeed the uk people never even see the sunlight
[15:30] <charl_> gerritfromsa: right... right...
[15:30] <charl_> too late now :P
[15:30] <psyatw> hoi gerritfromsa
[15:30] <psyatw> haha
[15:31] <gerritfromsa> Loving AndoiIRC on my Galaxy Note ...
[15:31] <Kilos> charl_: be nice to our new member
[15:31] <Kilos> oh gerritfromsa i tried the android pc iso but coundnt get it to work
[15:32] <Kilos> installed but then hung
[15:32] <gerritfromsa> I got it running on a VM but then sat back and I was like - what the hell ?
[15:32] <Kilos> my sis has a tablet thing and always asking for help
[15:33] <gerritfromsa> If you have touch it's better ..
[15:33] <Kilos> isnt it the same as the mobile version
[15:33] <Kilos> na pc old
[15:33] <Kilos> charl_: find the workspace switcher man
[15:33] <gerritfromsa> I got a chrome book and it was the same thing ...
[15:33] <Kilos> hard work using kboard
[15:34] <gerritfromsa> I have a saying : If you can't open it -it's not yours
[15:34] <Kilos> them tablets are horrible imo
[15:34] <gerritfromsa> and I like to fiddle ...
[15:34] <Kilos> thats lekker another fiddler
[15:35] <gerritfromsa> Hacked my chromebook to run Linux ... cheapest laptop EVER
[15:35] <Kilos> lol
[15:35] <gerritfromsa> Was $199 and I bought it there .. so no import duties etc etc
[15:35] <Kilos> im a hardware fiddler
[15:35] <Kilos> break things often
[15:36] <gerritfromsa> Raspberry PI is the no1 thing to fiddle with ...
[15:37] <gerritfromsa> Only R449 incl VAT from pifactory.co.za
[15:38] <gerritfromsa> Now there's an idea for the Nov 25th meeting !
[15:39] <gerritfromsa> Building a video server with a Pi ... so relevant to South Africa ...
[15:40] <gerritfromsa> Pi and a few usb cams linux running motion and voila !
[15:41] <gerritfromsa> there must be a project page for this , let me google ... 
[15:42]  * gerritfromsa is back (gone 00:23:37)
[15:43] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:43] <Kilos> quite a few of the guys have them
[15:44] <gerritfromsa> found a link but they're using vnc , can do better with apache or mini-httpd ....
[15:44] <gerritfromsa> http://pingbin.com/2012/12/raspberry-pi-web-cam-server-motion/
[15:45] <gerritfromsa> but its way to easy - will only take 5 minutes ...
[15:47] <gerritfromsa> would be nice if you combine asterisk so that it calls you when there's movement in your yard !
[15:49] <charl_> Kilos: sorry i don't have it here right now... at home atm and my laptop isn't upgraded yet
[15:49] <Kilos> np charl_ 
[15:49] <Kilos> gerritfromsa: you know asterisk?
[15:50] <Kilos> one of the guys is battling with the one he has to keep going
[15:50] <gerritfromsa> very well yes
[15:50] <Kilos> cool when magespawn gets here tell him
[15:50] <Kilos> he does it at a game ranch
[15:50] <Kilos> game park
[15:53] <gerritfromsa> magespawn - from PE right ?
[15:53] <gerritfromsa> seen him on #asterisk
[15:54]  * gerritfromsa is away: Taking a walk outside ...
[15:58] <Kilos> hluhluwe
[16:01]  * gerritfromsa is back (gone 00:06:59)
[16:06] <Kilos> hehe
[16:06] <Kilos> can one get one of those google sites and sell stuff from there
[16:22]  * gerritfromsa is away: Taking a walk outside ...
[16:25] <Kilos> haha
[16:26] <Kilos> hi Mezenir 
[16:57] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:04] <Mezenir> hey kilos
[17:04] <Mezenir> hows it going ?
[17:04] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[17:04] <Mezenir> good thanks
[17:37] <Kilos> yo Snowy2 
[17:38] <Kilos> wb nlsthzn 
[17:38] <nlsthzn> thanks
[17:38] <nlsthzn>  :)
[18:12] <inetpro> good evening
[18:12] <inetpro> Kilos: sorry for not getting back to you this morn
[18:12] <inetpro> was another tough day
[18:13] <Kilos> np inetpro 
[18:13] <Kilos> im playing on 13.10 kde
[18:14] <inetpro> Kilos: well done!
[18:15] <Kilos> but they hid the workspace switcher
[18:15]  * inetpro will wait for 14.04
[18:15] <Kilos> and setting up 3g is an art
[18:15] <inetpro> Kilos: nee man
[18:15] <Kilos> ya man
[18:15] <inetpro> what you mean?
[18:16] <Kilos> i dont know why they moving away from stuff that works
[18:16] <Kilos> its not all in nm
[18:16] <inetpro> what you mean with workspace switcher?
[18:17] <Kilos> you gotta go settings then open something and move mobile stuffs to the right block and then make it work in there and then only connect
[18:17] <Kilos> and no auto connect button anymore
[18:17] <Kilos> grrrrr
[18:18] <Kilos> its getting like modern cars. you cant fix it yourself
[18:18] <Kilos> need a special computer to tell you whats wrong
[18:18] <inetpro> Kilos: what do you mean with workspace switcher?
[18:18] <Kilos> those little black blocks next to the launcher
[18:19] <Kilos> that hidden now
[18:19] <Kilos> gotta ctrl=F1 and more
[18:19] <inetpro> you mean the pager?
[18:19] <Kilos> ctrl+F1-10 here
[18:20] <Kilos> eish is it called a pager now
[18:20] <inetpro> remember this is kubuntu
[18:20] <inetpro> it's never been called the workspace something meggafter
[18:20] <Kilos> but it installs super fast
[18:21] <Kilos> 15 mins on single core p4 and 12 mins on here
[18:21] <inetpro> what hot keys did you used to use?
[18:21] <Kilos> on 12.04 kde there are them little black blocks on the left on the bottom panel
[18:21] <Kilos> i used them before
[18:22] <Kilos> all keys cool here
[18:22] <Kilos> no hot keys i type to slow
[18:23] <inetpro> Kilos: here's an old page talking about the Desktop Pager: http://www.kubuntu.org/docs/kquickguide/C/ch02s02.html
[18:23] <Kilos> anyway im working through things
[18:23] <Kilos> you gotta spray banweed
[18:23] <inetpro> The desktop pager is a square with a default of four numbered sections. Each section represents a virtual desktop.....
[18:23] <Kilos> before the dubbeltjies seed
[18:24] <Kilos> ya thats the thing
[18:24] <inetpro> if it's missing by default it's probably just available as a widget
[18:25] <inetpro> go add it from the widgets
[18:25] <Kilos> i looked through them all but wasnt looking for a pager
[18:25] <Kilos> will try that ty
[18:26] <Kilos> gotta find the wallpapers too. not too keen on blue
[18:26] <inetpro> actually here's the more modern description: http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/Pager
[18:26] <Kilos> but konversation bloeps
[18:27] <superfly> BLOEP!
[18:27] <Kilos> bell.ogg
[18:27] <superfly> tumbleweed: ping?
[18:28] <inetpro> superfly: hi
[18:28] <superfly> hi inetpro
[18:28] <superfly> inetpro: have you seen ownCloud ?
[18:28] <Kilos> ya that thing inetpro 
[18:29] <inetpro> superfly: yes and no
[18:29] <inetpro> I've seen ownCloud but haven't used it
[18:29] <inetpro> yet
[18:29] <superfly> your own personal drop box
[18:29] <inetpro> something I have to try
[18:29] <superfly> and with version 6, you can edit LibreOffice documents IN YOUR BROWSER YO!
[18:30] <inetpro> that I noticed
[18:30] <inetpro> that sounds very cool indeed
[18:37] <Kilos> haha found the pager ty
[18:37] <tumbleweed> superfly: hi
[18:39] <magespawn> good evening
[18:39] <superfly> tumbleweed: I'm having a very strange issue with my work PC, and I can't figure it out exactly. Running Debian unstable, and once KDE has started up, and all the apps on autostart have started, any GUI apps that use Qt in any way no longer start
[18:39] <superfly> hi magespawn
[18:39] <superfly> tumbleweed: do you know where i'd be able to get some help with this?
[18:40] <Kilos> hi magespawn we got a asterisk guy for you
[18:40] <superfly> I've Googled and not come up with anything conclusive
[18:40] <magespawn> hey superfly and Kilos
[18:40] <magespawn> really? cool beans
[18:41] <Kilos> gerritfromsa: says he knows it very well
[18:41] <magespawn> yes i was chatting in #asterisk the other day with and a couple of the other guys
[18:41] <magespawn> ^him
[18:43] <Private_User> evening people, sorry Kilos, was not at my computer the whole day, so what does this command do?
[18:44] <tumbleweed> superfly: tail .xsession-errors?
[18:44] <superfly> tumbleweed: nothing there :-/
[18:44] <tumbleweed> superfly: strace?
[18:44] <Kilos> which one Private_User ?
[18:44] <superfly> I thought it might be that, I also thought it might be dbus
[18:44] <superfly> tumbleweed: I'll try that.
[18:44] <Private_User> sudo aptitude install lubuntu-restricted-extras lubuntu-restricted-addons
[18:45] <Kilos> oh that adds some things not available in the basic install
[18:46] <Private_User> ok what type of things?
[18:46] <magespawn> Kilos I think is also adds the mp3 and dvd codecs which are not free, it might also add things like screensavers, i forget
[18:47] <superfly> tumbleweed: looks like that will be quite useful, thanks!
[18:47]  * superfly will try it tomorrow
[18:47] <tumbleweed> superfly: if that fails, I guess it's time to dive in with gdb
[18:48] <superfly> tumbleweed: yeah, that's what I was figuring
[18:48] <superfly> I just haven't had the time to dig into it recently, work has been hectic
[18:49] <tumbleweed> yeah, that's why I don't run unstable on my laptop. things like this do happen
[18:50] <Private_User> ok thanks
[18:51] <superfly> tumbleweed: it was happening in Kubuntu too, which is why it is frustrating me - I installed Debian to get away from it, and it has followed me. What's also weird is that I'm running unstable here at home, and the only problem I have is when the nvidia drivers decide they're not installed
[18:54] <tumbleweed> superfly: #debian-kde / #kubuntu?
[18:54] <superfly> tumbleweed: yeah, I'll try them once I've run strace. Thanks for the help!
[18:54] <tumbleweed> np
[18:56] <Kilos> but , inetpro 13.10 kde is much faster than 12.04 unity
[18:56] <Kilos> and it put the pager on the right this time
[18:56] <Kilos> hehe
[18:58] <inetpro> Kilos: nice
[18:59] <inetpro> that is good news
[18:59] <Kilos> very fast it is
[18:59] <Kilos> like i said 12 mins install to rebbot time
[18:59] <Kilos> 12.04 was 25
[19:00] <Kilos> i like it
[19:01] <inetpro> wow
[19:01] <inetpro> that's half
[19:04] <magespawn> cool beans Kilos
[19:04] <Kilos> yeah very fast i was shocked
[19:05] <charl_> hi inetpro 
[19:05] <magespawn> thats the kind of thing where you get your book out to wait and the thing has already loaded
[19:05] <charl_> hi magespawn 
[19:05] <Kilos> will be rocket dust on a quadcore machine
[19:05] <magespawn> hi ChanServ 
[19:05] <Kilos> lol yeah
[19:05] <magespawn> hi charl_ 
[19:05] <magespawn> lol
[19:05] <charl_> magespawn: ChanServ says hi :)
[19:06] <Kilos> haha
[19:06] <magespawn> right
[19:06] <Kilos> twits
[19:06] <magespawn> hah
[19:08] <Kilos> the noobs be clever magespawn 
[19:08] <Kilos> one does web design and other does lots more and asterisk
[19:08] <charl_> magespawn: long time no speak to, how's the new job going
[19:08] <Kilos> wants to talk about asterisk stuff at next meet
[19:09] <Kilos> or using a PI to do stuff
[19:09] <Kilos> i forget now
[19:10] <Kilos> you miss lots when you arent here man
[19:12] <magespawn> charl_, pretty hectic at the moment, still getting used to how things work, and trying to sort everything out
[19:12] <charl_> yeah it's always like that with a new job, ask me, i know
[19:13] <magespawn> sorry Kilos, it is going to be a little longer then my adsl will have been moved and i can set up my quassel server again
[19:13] <Kilos> nm i forgive you
[19:14] <magespawn> charl_, this is the first time i have ever worked on a large-ish company, it has always been small places before this
[19:15] <charl_> i am currently scouting around for a new job myself actually
[19:16] <charl_> so far i have had two very positive responses and two really negative responses
[19:17] <charl_> i'm starting to realise i put myself on some type of niche pillar, but that's also a good thing
[19:19]  * gerritfromsa is back (gone 02:56:58)
[19:20] <charl_> hi nlsthzn 
[19:20] <nlsthzn> hey
[19:20] <charl_> how's it going
[19:20] <nlsthzn> I am fine thanks and yourself?
[19:20] <charl_> i'm great
[19:20] <nlsthzn> awesome
[19:21]  * nlsthzn busy trying to get a monochrome icon for xchat to display in the taskbar... not as easy as it sounds :/
[19:22] <nlsthzn> brb
[19:22] <Kilos> ai
[19:22] <charl_> wb Kilos 
[19:22] <gerritfromsa> folders finally rsynced ... 
[19:22] <Kilos> stupid e220
[19:23] <Kilos> gerritfromsa: chat to magespawn 
[19:23] <charl_> i used to have a huawei e220 usb hsdpa modem
[19:23] <Kilos> ty charl_ 
[19:23] <gerritfromsa> magespawn, we should stop meeting like this ...
[19:23] <charl_> is that what you're talking about Kilos ?
[19:23] <Kilos> lol
[19:23] <Kilos> ya
[19:24] <charl_> haha ! that was from years ago, funny i just thought about it when you mentioned it
[19:24] <Kilos> but its lekker fast i got up to 500kB/s while downloading
[19:25] <Kilos> its got some timeout thing in it
[19:25] <gerritfromsa> on 3g myself ... better than adsl where I live.
[19:25] <Kilos> this new kde see if but 12.04 refuses
[19:25] <Kilos> sigh
[19:26] <Kilos> so now i cant just reboot to another drive i gotta change sim in modems
[19:26] <Kilos> aw no one said hi to herrie
[19:26] <Kilos> shame
[19:27] <Kilos> nou is hy die herrie in
[19:27] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[19:27]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[19:28] <inetpro> Kilos: sorry oom
[19:28] <Kilos> Maaz: coffie please
[19:28] <Maaz> Kilos: *blink*
[19:28] <Kilos> ai!
[19:28] <Kilos> sorry for what
[19:28] <gerritfromsa> Maaz, got my msg regarding wget ?
[19:28] <Maaz> gerritfromsa: Huh?
[19:28] <Kilos> Maaz: coffee please
[19:28] <Maaz> Kilos: Alrighty
[19:28] <inetpro> for not greeting the herrie in guy
[19:29] <Kilos> oh ty
[19:29] <Kilos> hehe
[19:29] <Kilos> i didnt see him
[19:29] <Kilos> Maaz: large
[19:29] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you Kilos
[19:29] <inetpro> gerritfromsa: Maaz is a bot
[19:30] <gerritfromsa> seems to be the case ...
[19:30] <Kilos> gerritfromsa: if there is a message from him you get it as soon as you chat and it normally opens a pm windows if you login in and theres one
[19:30] <gerritfromsa> got it
[19:30] <gerritfromsa> I mean i get it
[19:30] <Kilos> Maaz: with cremora
[19:30] <Maaz> Ah! At last someone with taste
[19:31] <Kilos> Maaz: and milk
[19:31] <Maaz> Now you're talking
[19:31] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!
[19:32] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie
[19:32] <Maaz> Groot plesier inetpro my vriend
[19:32] <Kilos> Maaz: dankie man
[19:32] <Maaz> Groot plesier my vriend
[19:32] <Kilos> hmm...
[19:32] <gerritfromsa> quick question - what v6 client do you guys prefer to use ?
[19:32]  * inetpro enjoys a sip of virtual coffee
[19:33] <inetpro> gerritfromsa: v6 client?
[19:33] <magespawn> hey gerritfromsa 
[19:33] <gerritfromsa> Ipv6 tunnel client ? 
[19:33] <charl_> miredo
[19:33] <charl_> for teredo
[19:34] <gerritfromsa> Microsoft ... eish
[19:34] <inetpro> gerritfromsa: ahh, interesting question
[19:34] <Kilos> haha
[19:34] <Kilos> microstinks
[19:34] <charl_> i used to have a sixxs tunnel, used aiccu
[19:34] <charl_> gerritfromsa: it's the only way to get a simple tunnel going without too much fuss
[19:34]  * inetpro unfortunately has not yet worked with ipv6
[19:34] <gerritfromsa> use gogo6
[19:34] <charl_> gerritfromsa: just because it was invented by microsoft doesn't automatically make it bad
[19:35] <gerritfromsa> not automatically but eventually ...
[19:35] <charl_> eventually ?!
[19:35] <magespawn> ha
[19:36] <magespawn> n other words, after a few years of development and improvements
[19:36] <charl_> you lost me, if i insert that into my above sentence it still doesn't make sense
[19:37] <charl_> so if you give it enough time, that it was invented by microsoft doesn't matter?
[19:37] <magespawn> just a bit of a joke really
[19:37] <Kilos> magespawn: gerritfromsa uses fedora and centos
[19:37] <magespawn> vista and windows 8
[19:38] <magespawn> are they not very close to each other?
[19:38] <gerritfromsa> vista !!!! serious ?
[19:38] <charl_> no windows 7 had huge improvements on the kernel level
[19:38] <charl_> windows 8 is just an all-round disaster
[19:39] <charl_> and windows 8.1 is an even bigger disaster than windows 8
[19:39] <magespawn> i was saying about fedora and centos
[19:39] <gerritfromsa> coincidentally after microsoft acquired Suse Linux ...
[19:39] <charl_> oh sorry, two threads got mixed :)
[19:39] <magespawn> vista and win 8 have a lot in common then
[19:39] <gerritfromsa> that right microsoft bought into linux ... wow
[19:40] <charl_> yeah, a next iteration making things even worse than the previous version
[19:40] <magespawn> they bought Suse Linux? did not know that
[19:40] <charl_> yeah me neither
[19:40] <charl_> to be honest i have not been following suse for a number of years, even though it was one of the first distros i used
[19:40] <gerritfromsa> part of a Novell acquisition
[19:41] <gerritfromsa> just like oracle bought Open Office , Virtualbix and MySQL from IBM ...
[19:42] <gerritfromsa> Open Office evolved into Libre Office ...
[19:42] <gerritfromsa> and MySQL evolved into MariaDB ...
[19:42] <gerritfromsa> software is just getting better ...
[19:43] <magespawn> seen now, i learn a lot just in the space of a few minutes
[19:43] <Kilos> lol
[19:43] <charl_> mariadb is a *fork* of mysql, mysql didn't "evolve" into mariadb though
[19:43] <charl_> open office though is doomed, let's face it
[19:44] <gerritfromsa> it's nbo fork - it's a drop in replacement with a improved core
[19:44] <charl_> well innodb isn't exactly looking bad at the moment either
[19:44] <charl_> and that's also gpl licensed... but managed by oracle unfortunately
[19:45] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight. see youall tomorrow again
[19:45] <charl_> what is this about apache having taken over open office now
[19:45] <gerritfromsa> open office could possibly be revived by mozilla - they have taken over development
[19:45] <charl_> ciao Kilos 
[19:45] <charl_> mozilla ?
[19:45] <superfly> Did MariaDB manage to get InnoDB to follow with it, or are they having to drop InnoDB support?
[19:45] <inetpro> good night oom Kilos
[19:45] <charl_> you mean apache?
[19:45] <gerritfromsa> yes they have already releases a online version of open office
[19:46] <gerritfromsa> soon serious competition for office 365 ...
[19:46] <gerritfromsa> then we can all offer office functionality over the cloud !
[19:46] <gerritfromsa> the future looks rosy
[19:47] <charl_> i think you have some of your facts mixed up
[19:47] <magespawn> night Kilos
[19:47] <charl_> what is this about novell being bought by microsoft - they were aquired by the attachmate group in 2011
[19:48] <gerritfromsa> PART of novell was acquired by microsoft just as PART of IBM was sold to oracle
[19:48] <gerritfromsa> not the entire company ...
[19:48] <superfly> charl_: attachmate group is owned by a set of companies, including MS, IIRC
[19:49] <superfly> not that it's making a difference to SuSE, it seems. They're still as strong as ever.
[19:49] <charl_> can't find it back on the wikipedia, but maybe that's possible
[19:49] <inetpro> superfly: XtraDB is a fork of InnoDB created and maintained by Percona
[19:50] <inetpro> XtraDB is completely compatible with InnoDB
[19:50] <charl_> "Novell now operates as two separate business units under the Novell and SUSE brand names and joins Attachmate and NetIQ as holdings of The Attachmate Group. Certain intellectual property assets are planned to be sold to CPTN Holdings, a consortium of companies led by Microsoft.[24]"
[19:50] <charl_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attachmate
[19:50] <Symmetria> hrm
[19:51] <superfly> Ah, there you go.
[19:51] <gerritfromsa> http://blogs.computerworld.com/17416/who_really_bought_novell_microsoft
[19:52] <gerritfromsa> not that it matters because Linux is the future
[19:52] <charl_> interesting theory
[19:52] <Symmetria> lo
[19:52] <gerritfromsa> Linux administrators already earn 40% more than there windows counterparts worldwide
[19:52] <charl_> but it's a *theory* mind you
[19:52] <Symmetria> wow juniper is using puppet 
[19:53] <charl_> hi Symmetria 
[19:53] <Symmetria> to do automated router config deployment
[19:53] <Symmetria> thats cool
[19:53] <gerritfromsa> I got one word for you - Android !
[19:53] <Symmetria> and they do chef as well
[19:54] <gerritfromsa> Symmetria, you running the script with expect ?
[19:55] <Symmetria> gerrit no, they prefer NOT to do expect, its all xml based stuff 
[19:56] <gerritfromsa> thats nice , xml is clean
[19:56] <charl_> readable, but bloated
[19:56] <charl_> inetpro: btw, i still wanted to pass this by you
[19:56] <charl_> i finally managed to get some of my thoughts down on "paper" (so to speak) http://charl.eu/e2ee/
[19:57] <inetpro> charl_: hmm...
[19:57] <charl_> i still need to sit down and write it up properly though with some diagrams
[19:57] <charl_> been really busy the last month, a lot of things are happening atm
[19:57] <inetpro> I will check that when I have time... maybe in a few weeks from now
[19:57] <charl_> no problem i will not have any time in the next few weeks either
[19:57] <magespawn> ahh nothing like planning
[19:58] <charl_> first need to get my jobs sorted out and everything
[19:58] <charl_> haha
[19:58] <magespawn> that seems to be a common problem
[19:59] <charl_> nah it's just a lot of things are happening, you know when they say these things come in bundles ?
[19:59] <charl_> where you have a lot of stuff to do in a very short space of time
[20:00] <magespawn> as always, not enough time in the day
[20:12] <superfly> mine don't come in bundles, in my case more and more is added to the pile
[20:55] <magespawn> good night night all