[00:20] apachelogger: I fooled it into thinking it was a final release [00:21] valorie: nothing is ever final, who's final? [00:21] ScottK, I think it was, gave me an entry to put in my accept.hosts file [00:21] actually maybe it'd be final, but then it'd be dead, so probably not final considering there's a relase [00:21] now I've removed it, so I can't recall what it was exactly [00:22] jr set up a fake metarelease file that valorie pointed at to simulate saucy having been released. [00:22] looked exactly like it's always looked when I waited for a notification rather than loading up the beta or whatever [00:23] ah, distro upgrade [00:23] * apachelogger almost had segfault there [00:24] it's just a silly issue [00:24] chances are .1 fixes it though [00:24] or at least makes it less likely [00:24] that is if my guess at the cause is actually right [00:25] and if it's not that it would most likely be a bug in metarelease, which would be odd but at least out of our realm of responsiblity [00:25] -> bed [00:26] ok, final wasn't the right term, sorry [00:26] sweet dreams of unicorns [00:27] on jury duty [00:27] *oh [00:27] hey valorie [00:27] oooo, they let you use your phone? [00:27] that's cool [00:27] I haven't done jury duty for years [00:27] and yet some get called every 6 months or so [00:28] wierd system we have [00:33] no I'm home now [00:34] but I got picked out of like 40 [00:34] there are 8 of us in total [00:35] yes, it's odd how huge the pool is, and then how few are chosen [00:35] I was on a jury of 8 as well [00:37] yea [02:03] hey lordievader [02:07] !seen jontheechidna [02:07] I have no seen command [02:08] Anybody seen Jon T? [02:21] Not for awhile. [02:54] hey Riddell [02:54] hey valorie I got a answer back about ubuntuguide [02:54] cool [02:54] I was just now reading through it [02:55] oh [02:55] what did s/he say? [02:55] I got 2 emails from different people dealing with it [02:55] one is a long and the other not so much [02:56] anything of significance? [02:56] trying to put it in a pastie [02:57] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6362426/ [02:58] but the short one says we should combine our effects [02:58] from two different people? [02:58] your pasted person sounds a bit grumpy [03:01] yea I think one forwarded the other the email === jono is now known as Guest6286 [03:03] huh [03:03] he is the main person in charge of the wiki [03:03] kde bnc was kicking up a fuss [03:04] I emailed someone and then they forwarded it to the main man [03:05] ok [03:05] anyway, I think we should offer to join forces [03:06] because I like their system [03:06] and having grumpy people doing side projects sounds like a bad idea anyway [03:06] too much grumpiness already [03:07] valorie, well he says he is doing maintenance of the site not really writing on it [03:07] somebody is doing the writing..... [03:09] does it have the translation we need? [03:11] so we want to host the docs there? [03:11] I don't see any translations for it [03:12] however, they could install the translation system that the KDE wiki uses [03:12] oh [03:13] so I think it would be good to do a nice discussion with them [03:13] they may not know about the translation tool [03:14] ok I sent a email about it [03:14] cool, please CC me on that stuff [03:14] so I can enter into the conversation [03:15] sec [03:15] oh the next email I'll add you into it [03:15] sorry [03:22] np; I just thought of it [03:22] gonna watch the news for a bit; bbl [03:23] ok [07:03] good morning [07:07] \o [07:08] o/ [07:25] Good morning. [10:44] how can i change the status of a bug? i added the crash handler text as requested in https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=327130 [10:45] KDE bug 327130 in desktop "crash after clicking on "add widget" after clicking on "activity manager" in the taskbar-widget" [Crash,Unconfirmed] [10:47] menace: you cannot, that's up to a dev/triager === greyback is now known as greyback|lunch === greyback|lunch is now known as greyback [14:16] hi - a work colleague's machine is having an issue downloading the nvidia package (only) - he tried using additional drivers to install 319.60 [14:16] it just stayed @ 0 % [14:17] cancelled that, did apt-get clean - apt-get update - then tried to download with apt-get -d install nvidia-319-updates [14:17] it just keeps downloading the package - over and over (and over, etc) forever [14:18] its only nvidia packages this is occurring on - other packages download/install fine. [14:18] any ideas why [14:18] yossarianuk: I don't know I'm afraid, support in #kubuntu [14:18] ok - i did ask there but didn;t get a solution... [14:22] yossarianuk: -d = download [14:22] as in: download-only [14:23] apachelogger: sorry i should have said I was using the -d option. [14:23] it gets to 100% and restarts [14:23] only for nvidia packages [14:24] and only for the driver packages, not the settings package [14:24] which is odd [14:24] try another mirror then [14:24] kdesudo software-properties-kde [14:24] ok - will do [14:24] it may well be that the download fails/aborts/corrupts and that's why it tries to download again [14:24] I'll copy over my sources.list [14:24] thanks [14:29] Riddell: could you test muon from the 2.1 branch? [14:30] shadeslayer: some fixes are done? [14:30] yep [14:30] lovely [14:31] and could you reproduce kde bug 327125 [14:31] KDE bug 327125 in updater "muon-updater never finishes updating packages" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=327125 [14:31] because I can, but it should be fixed [14:31] I'll try [14:31] so maybe its just my system being weird [14:53] shadeslayer: umm well first thing is muon-updater has the banner saying "A new version of Kubuntu is available." which isn't true [14:53] I don't have that here [14:53] omgomogmgomg [14:54] Riddell: paste .cache/upstart/startkde.log [14:54] maybe because of http://pastebin.kde.org/pugpuag13 [14:54] 'Morning all [14:54] shadeslayer: sometimes it also gives a python traveback on startup http://pastebin.kde.org/pdpqmrwh4 [14:54] Riddell: and try python3 /usr/share/kde4/apps/muon-notifier/releasechecker; echo $? [14:54] shadeslayer: snap [14:54] that traceback is normal [14:54] metarelease seems overly shitty [14:56] apachelogger: releasechecker gives me that traceback and $? is 1 [14:56] :@ [14:56] sillest issue in the world [14:57] Riddell: well, startkde.log plz [14:57] * apachelogger ponders enabling debug on releasechecker [14:57] apachelogger: btw kde bug 326178 seems like a issue in s-p-k [14:57] KDE bug 326178 in discover "No feedback provided when retrieving updated sources after sources change" [Major,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326178 [14:58] apachelogger: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/startkde.log if you really want it [15:05] shadeslayer: no [15:05] shadeslayer: discover invokes spk with the flag that makes it not update the cache [15:05] but discover itself does not update the cache [15:05] so no one updates the cache [15:05] except that I think that s-p-k ignores that flag [15:05] Riddell: it's very fortunate that I removed the related debug ysterday xD [15:06] ok, log doesn't help [15:06] Riddell: can you reproduce the distro version thing across restarts of muon? [15:07] easy enough to tesT? [15:07] shadeslayer: ^ [15:07] I cannot [15:07] I am on trusty [15:08] and trust doesnt have spk? [15:08] apachelogger: it sometimes has that new disto notice and sometimes gives the python traceback [15:08] that's better than what I get [15:09] lemme fix you up a new relesechecker real quick [15:09] apachelogger: all I get is the traceback and no new release [15:09] actually [15:09] because I am on the latest release maybe? [15:10] Riddell: export DEBUG_UPDATE_MANAGER=1 [15:10] Riddell: then try to trigger the bogus notification and paste the CLI output [15:10] shadeslayer: for spk? what? [15:10] apachelogger: for muon checking release [15:11] I am talking about spk with you and about relesechecking with Riddell :P [15:11] see, I am supposed to get confused, not you :P [15:16] apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6365144/ [15:16] Riddell: oh and please open ksysguard and filter for muon ... check that there is only ever one python3 running [15:16] * apachelogger needs to fix his name resolution [15:17] hm [15:17] apachelogger: looks like only one python3 is run, tried it three times [15:17] * genii kicks repeatedly and viciously at his Muon [15:18] what if it is not the script that causes the race condition but metarelease itself [15:18] hmmmmmmmmmmm [15:19] or what if it used to be a script race and I turned it into a thread race yesterday [15:22] you are making muon threaded? [15:23] Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6365183/ [15:23] no, metareleas is threaded [15:23] in the worst possible way [15:24] __init__ starts download in a thread [15:24] but there is no way to tell when that thread/download is done through inter-locking because metarelease is no qobject or has callbacks or anything [15:25] so if you call download while the threaded download is running it will most certainly have reentrancy problems because download most likely writes to members (most certainly bool downloading) [15:26] all of the above is why sane code would not flipping thread a function call through __init__ [15:26] but how oftne do I get to deal with sane code :( [15:26] interestingly enough aptdaemon-packagekit compat thing also manually calls download() so it supposedly has the same problem [15:28] anyway [15:28] Riddell: please try that new releasechecker see if it also exhibits the problem [15:29] apachelogger: on the pastebin? [15:29] yeah [15:30] ok, am also following frameworks meeting, will be slow [15:32] apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6365229/ [15:36] Riddell: still reproting bogus availability? [15:36] * apachelogger needs to figure out how ubuntu checks for releases [15:37] the same way isn't it? [15:37] well, but what calls it [15:37] apachelogger: release upgrade banner does not show yay [15:37] the only reference I found was the packagekit compat and I am not sure that is used [15:37] hm [15:37] Riddell: best try for the next hour or so :P [15:38] so I think it can be a file race, but I turned it into a thread race yesterday, which made it more reliably reproducible [15:51] # this is needed because gtk is not thread-safe [15:52] haha [15:52] so this is really how they are using it [15:52] basically a 1 second timer calling a function to check if the other thread is done yet [15:52] * apachelogger has headache now [16:06] apachelogger: stop banging your head on the desk then [16:08] butbutbut [16:08] Riddell: git pull [16:08] should be fixed again [16:09] apachelogger: muon? [16:09] yes [16:10] alas, you can still get a race however it's extremely unlikely and not very trivial to prevent [16:12] apachelogger: + # MetaReleaseCore internally runs .download() in a thraed. It has however no [16:12] thraed [16:12] ... [16:21] shadeslayer: hmm I'm having it hang on Loading Software List http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/muon.png [16:21] same as me then [16:22] Riddell: plz comment on https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=327125 [16:22] KDE bug 327125 in updater "muon-updater never finishes updating packages" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [16:23] Riddell: can you try deleting a PPA from muon-discover -> Sources [16:23] because it crashes for me here [16:23] I can also not disable PPA's in discover by unchecking the tickbox next to them [16:24] see KDE bug 327178 [16:24] KDE bug 327178 in discover "Cannot disable extra PPA's under "Sources tab"" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=327178 [16:28] * Riddell tries [16:30] shadeslayer: yes I get a crash on deleteing one [16:30] Riddell: yep, that's another one [16:30] haven't reported a bug for that one [16:30] shadeslayer: is there a bug or shall I report one? [16:30] ok I'll do it [16:30] http://pastebin.kde.org/poatgfnaf#line-84 [16:30] go ahead [16:32] hummm [16:33] works for me now [16:33] okay nope [16:33] shadeslayer: kde bug 327179 [16:33] KDE bug 327179 in discover "Crash when deleteing a PPA from muon-discover sources" [Crash,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=327179 [16:34] Riddell: plz install dbg symbols? [16:35] ah hmm, it's self compiled [16:38] hmm crash seems to be in qt [16:42] more like libqapt? [16:42] #6 0x00007f298713ceaf in debListParser::LoadReleaseInfo(pkgCache::PkgFileIterator&, FileFd&, std::string) () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libapt-pkg.so.4.12 [16:42] for me [16:42] nothing about qapt in my backtrade, maybe you should add yours to the bug report [16:47] will do once I compile qapt with dbg symbols === cmagina_ is now known as cmagina [18:34] Riddell: I have a fix for the crash-on-removing-ppa's [18:38] Riddell: http://pastebin.kde.org/pczpi1lkq [18:43] ideally I'd disable the add source button till the user is done adding everything, or, only reload the list once the user is done adding everything [18:50] ScottK: Riddell what's the policy on LGPL libs linking against openSSL? [19:00] ee does the muon updater works ? [19:01] looks like ... not [19:24] soee: still fixing things [19:24] 2.1 branch has alot of fixes [19:25] shadeslayer, ok :) for me its not a problem :) i can do updates from muon or terminal -.- [19:25] just clicked now updater when i saw it [20:33] thers no 4.11.3 release info yet ? [20:37] shadeslayer: LGPL is fine with SSL I'm pretty sure [20:43] ack [20:43] d_ed is/was moaning about how the qcal ssl plugin is split from qca2 [20:43] on the ktp mailing list [20:44] and I was curious as to why it's split into its own plugin when according to him it was inside qca2 at one point [20:44] anyway, dinner [20:44] shadeslayer: so GPL code can us eit [20:44] shadeslayer: so GPL code can use it [20:44] Qt was GPL until recently [20:44] many applications are GPL [21:16] ack === taiji_ is now known as bwolfe [22:15] debfx: I just posted an updated Upstart script for Quassel. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/quassel/+bug/1244036 [22:15] Ubuntu bug 1244036 in quassel (Ubuntu) "Quasselcore should use an Upstart script instead of a sysv initscript" [Undecided,In progress] [22:15] It uses start-stop-daemon now, so it should solve the problem you were having. [22:15] Also, I had to hardcode the path to quasselcore, otherwise start-stop-daemon wouldn't find it. [22:15] Sorry for the delay; I have been quite busy with school. [22:25] ScottK: You might be interested in this too^